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Near Odessa began testing missile systems "Alder" and "Neptune"

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Ukraine closes for civil flights aviation and the passage of ships the section of the Black Sea opposite the Odessa region from May 22 to 24 during the firing of the newly developed missile systems such as Alder and Neptune. This is reported by Ukrainian media.


Near Odessa began testing missile systems "Alder" and "Neptune"

anti-ship complex "Neptune"


The test program involves preparatory activities on land in the Odessa region with subsequent combat launches, which will take place from 22 to 24 in May of this year. It is reported that the next launches of the Alder-M missile system will take place, as well as Alder-R, the details of which have not been disclosed yet.

In addition, tests are expected missiles with a homing head missile complex PK-360MTS "Neptune". Separately, the program prescribed tests of missiles on the ground and in the air, where it will be tested, placed on a helicopter for testing various modes in height, flight speed, etc.

According to the developers, the Alder missile system is a deep modernization of the Soviet MLRS 9K58 Smerch with adjustable ammunition. The maximum range of the rocket - 130 km. It can be used to destroy both ground and surface targets.

Neptune is declared as an anti-ship missile system designed to destroy warships with a displacement of up to 5000 tons at a distance of up to 280 km. It can also be used for ground targets.

The complex consists of four self-propelled launchers with four missiles each, a command vehicle control, loading and transport vehicles. The weight of one rocket is 670 kg, its high-explosive fragmentation warhead is 145 kg.

The preliminary stage of the test of "Neptune" was held 5 April 2019 year at the site in the Odessa region. During it, the rocket flew 225 kilometers, changing the flight path.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 21 May 2019 17: 47
    -12
    Save who can!
    1. Blue fox
      Blue fox 21 May 2019 18: 01
      -2
      Rather, draw conclusions for those who should!
    2. cniza
      cniza 21 May 2019 18: 02
      +2
      It's not a joke, they can do such troubles ...
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 21 May 2019 22: 36
        -1
        Quote: cniza
        It's not a joke, they can do such troubles ...

        hi I agree! This topic has already been discussed at VO, I will not repeat it, but hohloman can do misfortunes. hi
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 21 May 2019 18: 51
      -4
      Dumb, Loch show-offs for visitors. They can launch one missile, and when will it go into production?
  2. Cananecat
    Cananecat 21 May 2019 17: 58
    -4
    The case when there are no brains for something fundamentally new and only "deep modernization" remains ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 May 2019 18: 00
      +5
      We are doing a deep modernization of weapons models and we remain weapons. We want to add. Subsonic missiles are now quite successfully intercepted.
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 21 May 2019 18: 03
        0
        Having such an enterprise as Yuzhmash ... well, yes, "the wrong country was called Honduras ..."
        1. 210ox
          210ox 21 May 2019 18: 11
          +2
          Well, not only Yuzhmash is involved there.
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 21 May 2019 18: 53
          -4
          Do not offend Honduras, Banderland in terms of living, now at the level of underdeveloped countries in Africa.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 May 2019 18: 02
    +2
    Although the firing area was closed, otherwise they are such that they would easily knock down a civilian aircraft with an anti-missile missile! Or they’ll sink some trawler. ..
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 21 May 2019 18: 53
      -4
      And where is the trawler? Everything is safely cut into metal.
  4. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 21 May 2019 18: 06
    -4
    Near Odessa began testing missile systems "Alder" and "Neptune"


    Half-Odessa is now smashed.

    APU trained only to shoot cities.

    angry
    1. The comment was deleted.
  5. boathouse
    boathouse 21 May 2019 18: 21
    +7
    And explain to me who can: why, when the Arabs use Soviet scrap metal in VO, they unanimously assure that the Soviet is the best and is done "for centuries", and when they do the same in Ukraine, they are "backward Papuans"?
    1. Stone
      Stone 21 May 2019 18: 49
      +5
      Fastening standards.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 21 May 2019 18: 55
      +3
      Varodero'-why is your Israel this as you put it: scrap metal "taken from the Arabs was used in wars against the same Arabs ???
      1. boathouse
        boathouse 21 May 2019 19: 00
        +1
        So I got it for "freebie"! And it was used only in auxiliary and training units, as well as converted into engineering equipment.
        1. boathouse
          boathouse 21 May 2019 19: 03
          +5
          And, besides, in those years 40-50 years ago, it was still not scrap metal, but quite a modern equipment, which was also in service in the USSR.
    3. dinis
      dinis 21 May 2019 19: 31
      +2
      Because Ukrainians are not Arabs. Ukraine is the country where they produced a high-quality high-tech product, the country where people who received, one of the best in the world, Soviet engineering education and not only engineering, but generally Russian talented ones, and those Russians who call themselves Ukrainians the same. Well, raguli, I think stupid, but their minority.
      1. Horse, people and soul
        Horse, people and soul 21 May 2019 20: 14
        -5
        Only now, due to jumping under stupid cries, did they have a liquefaction of the head of Moscow.
    4. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 21 May 2019 20: 13
      -4
      Apparently, the arms grow in different ways. Somehow a tank will fall off a trailer, then a mortar will explode, then enthusiasts with three classes of education will weld a "tank" from garbage containers.
      1. The comment was deleted.
  6. revnagan
    revnagan 21 May 2019 19: 04
    -4
    Shaw? There are none wassat ! Ukraine doesn’t know how to do anything, and it’s definitely cardboard layouts! Three times "ha"!
    1. dinis
      dinis 21 May 2019 19: 35
      +2
      They are still not there, your malicious joke is stupid and not appropriate.
  7. Diana
    Diana 21 May 2019 19: 10
    -11
    According to the developers, the Olkha missile system is a deep modernization of the Soviet 9K58 Smerch MLRS with adjustable ammunition.

    In fact - "Alder" was really "creatively" pioneered, but from the system a little more abruptly than the "Smerch" - the Chinese A-100. And the reach of "Alder" is not 130, but 160 km.
    1. dinis
      dinis 21 May 2019 19: 37
      -2
      What is Alder? As I understand it, it’s just a missile, or a more correctly guided projectile, of Ukrainian production for the Russian-Soviet Tornado.
      1. Diana
        Diana 21 May 2019 19: 40
        0
        Not only. This is another artillery unit and SU with fire. Here is the chassis - really "tornado".
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 21 May 2019 20: 10
      +4
      Quote: Diana
      In fact - "Alder" was really "creatively" pioneered, but from the system a little more abruptly than the "Smerch" - the Chinese A-100. And the reach of "Alder" is not 130, but 160 km.

      Where such figures come from, if not a secret, the A-100 gives a maximum of 100 km
      1. Diana
        Diana 21 May 2019 20: 21
        -2
        From "Looks ..." the situation with new developments of weapons and military equipment, missiles and ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, from which I or my partner make a "squeeze" to the Head of the Academy of the General Staff.
        And the A-100 is fired by a special family of extended-range NURs for 180 km. This is now the most long-range MLRS in the world.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 21 May 2019 21: 19
          -2
          Quote: Diana
          And the A-100 is fired by a special family of extended-range NURs for 180 km. This is now the most long-range MLRS in the world.

          But in reality it is as long-range as a reliable "hammer", or is it just on paper?
          1. Diana
            Diana 21 May 2019 21: 36
            +3
            I didn’t check. Refer to the GRU General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Well, or in the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia. laughing
            And the only problem with Molot is that the mentally defective former manufacturers of tape recorders, who imagined themselves to be designers of mortars, did not put a safety device on it against double loading. am
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 21 May 2019 22: 47
              0
              Quote: Diana
              I didn’t check. Refer to the GRU General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Well, or in the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia.

              Alas, I do not enter such "high circles" request
              Quote: Diana
              And the only problem with Molot is that the mentally defective former manufacturers of tape recorders, who imagined themselves to be designers of mortars, did not put a safety device on it against double loading.

              And also against undelivered protection against double loading, the supports bend, the barrel deforms when dropped, etc.
              1. Diana
                Diana 21 May 2019 23: 10
                0
                Well, let's put it - there were no complaints about the deformation of the Hammer's barrel when it fell from an allowable height.
        2. maximum 8
          maximum 8 21 May 2019 22: 11
          -1
          Quote: Diana
          From "Looks ..." the situation with new developments of weapons and military equipment, missiles and ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, from which I or my partner make a "squeeze" to the Head of the Academy of the General Staff.
          And the A-100 is fired by a special family of extended-range NURs for 180 km. This is now the most long-range MLRS in the world.

          There is other information. The Chinese MLRS WS-2D with a firing range of 400 km. Or here is information on the Tornado-S.
          On February 3 on February 2017, Defense Minister R. F. Sergey Shoigu visited the Fusion NGO in Tula, where the Russian MLRS — Grads, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Solntsepeki — were born ... The announcement of the latest missile was timed to coincide with this visit for the Russian system of volley fire "Tornado-S". This is a long-range guided missile capable of hitting targets with meter accuracy at ranges up to 200 km.

          https://www.popmech.ru/weapon/369452-tornado-s-novye-dalnoboynye-rakety-rossiysko-armii/
          1. Diana
            Diana 21 May 2019 22: 24
            -4
            About WS-2D - did not hear. I looked at what is in RuViki - impressive. good
            Is the SD of increased range for the "Tornado-S" already in service ?? belay
            1. maximum 8
              maximum 8 21 May 2019 22: 36
              -1
              Quote: Diana
              About WS-2D - did not hear. I looked at what is in RuViki - impressive. good
              Is the SD of increased range for the "Tornado-S" already in service ?? belay

              It seems like Tornado-S has already begun to enter the troops.
              “Tornado-S” in 2018 should begin to replace the ultra-long-range systems “Smerch”. Depending on the type of ammunition, the Tornado destroys the enemy at a distance of 100 to 200 kilometers.

              https://topwar.ru/108838-dlya-rszo-tornado-s-razrabotana-novaya-raketa-s-sistemoy-navedeniya-po-signalam-glonass.html
              1. Diana
                Diana 21 May 2019 22: 40
                -3
                That the MLRS "Tornado-S" is armed with your two oreabras - I know. I wrote specifically about the extended range missile defense system for her. According to our data, the first exercises of combat units with live fire using this missile system were to take place only in September-October of this year.
                1. maximum 8
                  maximum 8 21 May 2019 22: 58
                  -1
                  Quote: Diana
                  That the MLRS "Tornado-S" is armed with your two oreabras - I know. I wrote specifically about the extended range missile defense system for her. According to our data, the first exercises of combat units with live fire using this missile system were to take place only in September-October of this year.

                  I only share publicly accessible information from the Internet. And even if I hadn’t known, I didn’t say so, since I don’t want to be an agent of the CIA branch of one of the neighboring countries.
                  1. Diana
                    Diana 21 May 2019 23: 06
                    -4
                    laughing laughing This should be interpreted as recognition of the fidelity of the GUR data of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in this case? wink laughing
          2. LeonidL
            LeonidL 22 May 2019 03: 14
            0
            As for the Chinese, it’s true, and I’ve read that it’s not just a multiple launch rocket system, but a package of missiles of the "fire and forget" type. It is possible that this is the case, otherwise the shooting in areas of 400 km is not very impressive.
    3. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 21 May 2019 20: 19
      -1
      Only bang bang and ... by.
  8. fa2998
    fa2998 21 May 2019 20: 15
    +1
    Quote: dinis
    What is an alder?

    And what is Neptune. It very much resembles half of our Ball with an X-35 missile. The technical characteristics of the complex are very close. Somewhere they pioneered, since the complex was delivered over a hill. hi
    1. Diana
      Diana 21 May 2019 20: 23
      -5
      But "Neptune" we really "pioneered" you.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 21 May 2019 21: 20
        +1
        Quote: Diana
        But "Neptune" we really "pioneered" you.

        Spioneril - is it now called a compilation of the old Soviet heritage with a small revision of the file and painted in a new color? And most importantly - the piece production of all this ...
        1. Diana
          Diana 21 May 2019 21: 38
          -1
          "It" was called that way back when I was in high school. And this was still under the USSR.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 21 May 2019 22: 43
            +1
            Quote: Diana
            "It" was called that way back when I was in high school. And this was still under the USSR.

            That is, you confirm that all Ukrainian "new" is a slightly colored "Soviet old"?
            1. Diana
              Diana 21 May 2019 23: 03
              -2
              No I confirm. Because - not all. For example - there is a completely new 140-mm tank gun KBA-096. Several samples of 60 mm mortars, which in the USSR and the Russian Federation did not produce at all and do not produce. Etc. etc.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 22 May 2019 21: 30
                0
                Quote: Diana
                The all-new 140-mm tank gun KBA-096.

                With a completely old swiss barrel ...
                Quote: Diana
                Several samples of 60 mm mortars, which in the USSR and the Russian Federation did not produce at all and do not produce.

                A mortar is almost like a sapper shovel - they can be produced, as they say, "not only everyone," and, by the way, the excellent quality of the "hammer" mortar already says a lot ...
                1. Diana
                  Diana 22 May 2019 22: 55
                  -1
                  With a completely old swiss barrel ...

                  Confused with our 120 mm gun. "Thoroughly!" (from) tongue laughing
            2. Antares
              Antares 22 May 2019 11: 06
              +3
              Quote: Albert1988
              that all Ukrainian "new" is a slightly colored "Soviet old"?

              the fact is that in the Ukrainian SSR a lot of things were not produced (or only parts in cooperation). What we needed and was only in the RSFSR (RF). At the moment, the same air defense systems, spare parts and the aircraft themselves, missiles .. well, we do not have the production of missiles for air defense systems, anti-ship missiles and there are many and never have been .. only the production of some parts for them.
              Something like import substitution in Russian (by the way, with the same conditions, only a level is lower and less money)
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 22 May 2019 21: 31
                0
                Quote: Antares
                the fact is that in the Ukrainian SSR a lot of things were not produced (or only parts in cooperation). What we needed and was only in the RSFSR (RF). At the moment, the same air defense systems, spare parts and the aircraft themselves, missiles .. well, we do not have the production of missiles for air defense systems, anti-ship missiles and there are many and never have been .. only the production of some parts for them.
                Something like import substitution in Russian (by the way, with the same conditions, only a level is lower and less money)

                The most interesting thing is that Ukraine would not turn, like that hut on chicken legs, "in front of the west, like Russia - backwards", then everything would be ...
      2. maximum 8
        maximum 8 21 May 2019 22: 53
        0
        Quote: Diana
        But "Neptune" we really "pioneered" you.

        Well, who would doubt it.
        The reference sample of the 78 product (X-35 missile) was exported by the Zvezda-Strela Federal State Unitary Enterprise to the Luch State Kiev Design Bureau in 2002 as part of the implementation of the Agreement between the Government of Ukraine and the Government of the Russian Federation on production and scientific-technical cooperation enterprises of the defense industry from November 18, 1993

        https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3077408.html
        1. LeonidL
          LeonidL 22 May 2019 03: 09
          +1
          Oh tse diysno nova tsatsya! The birth of 1993 rock and yak je wona garno is farmed! It’s good for a picture.
  9. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 21 May 2019 21: 02
    +2
    Quote: cniza
    It's not a joke, they can do such troubles ...

    If you are an idiot and get into a fight without first disarming.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 21 May 2019 21: 25
      0
      Quote: Vkd dvk
      If you are an idiot and get into a fight without first disarming.

      As practice shows, the "modern" weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine pose the same danger for their own soldiers as for the enemy, if not more ...
  10. LeonidL
    LeonidL 22 May 2019 03: 08
    0
    Excellently painted technique, with love, not sparing brushes and paints!
  11. Antares
    Antares 22 May 2019 11: 15
    0
    Closed Area

    ours never hid the origin of Alder and Neptune
    openly write
    Alder is a deep modernization of the Soviet 9K58 Smerch MLRS with adjustable ammunition. The maximum missile range is 130 km.
    The projectile is controlled along the entire flight path with the help of gas-dynamic rudders and has inertial guidance with the ability to adjust the flight path by GPS signal. When using only an inertial guidance system, the average deviation of the rocket is 50 m, while using GPS correction it is about 7 m. Most likely, the inertial correction is based on a laser gyroscope manufactured by KB Arsenal, it was also used on the Dnepr launch vehicle and on the Russian tactical missile system Iskander and other products.
    Depending on the tasks, it can be used to destroy both ground and surface targets.
    All components for the production of Alder are Ukrainian, including a new control system, rocket fuel, and warheads.

    this time the tests will pass without Poroshenko, I don’t know about Turchinov (most likely not)
    The lobbying of the latter played at the speed of the appearance of this weapon.
    Zelensky is confident in the trials and did not go. Let's see who the designers will report to.
    LUCHevtsy with ARTEMovtsy and YUZHMAShevtsy working on projects.
  12. Glennie
    Glennie 26 May 2019 09: 35
    0
    Here is what the enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine produced under the USSR and today, you can download the catalogs: https://ukroboronprom.com.ua/uk/product_catalogue