Turkey shipped MRAP Kirpi II and Vuran to Libya

The Government of National Accord (PNS), located in the Libyan capital of Tripoli, began to receive military assistance from Turkey, which they promised in a conversation with Faiz Sarraj the Turkish leader Erdogan. Earlier, the Turkish president promised to support the PNS in a confrontation with the Libyan national army, Field Marshal Haftar, to "prevent a plot against the Libyan people."

Turkish Kirpi II in the port of Tripoli

18 May 2019, the ship arrived in the port of Tripoli, which brought a batch of new Turkish armored vehicles of the class MRAP Kirpi II and Vuran, intended to arm military units and tribes supporting PNS. The delivered armored vehicles are quite "fresh", since the first sample of Kirpi II armored car with the wheel formula 4х4 was first demonstrated in the 2017 year. The armored car can carry 13 people, including three crew members. Engine power - 370 HP Maximum speed - up to 100 km / h. Power reserve - 800 km. The second Vuran armored car was also shown in the 2017 year. Weight - 18,5 tons. Capacity - 11 military. On both machines installed combat modules with remote control. Armament - machine guns.

At the same time, the appearance of armored vehicles in the Libyan National Army Haftar, supplied by the United Arab Emirates (Panthera T6, Panthera F9) and the latest Al-Mared armored vehicles of Jordan production, is reported. The Jordanian armored car seats 10 people, including two crew members. Armament is installed depending on the tasks performed: from 12,7-mm machine guns to ATGM launchers.

Jordanian Al-Mared in Haftar Army

Earlier it was reported that the Government of National Accord in Tripoli, planted by the UN and several European countries, has close ties with the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist group banned in Russia.

Comments

[Ⅴ - vendetta]

Turkish President promised to support the PNC in the confrontation with the Libyan National Army of Field Marshal Haftar in order to "prevent a conspiracy against the Libyan people."

Familiar template. All for the sake of the indigenous people. Everyone cares about the Libyans like a sheriff about the Indians.
It’s a pity, the offensive on Tripoli was drowned. Haftar promised to hold a siege, cut off the supply of weapons.

[rruvim]

Everything is more complicated there. Firstly there was no offensive. Just draw a card. Haftar’s people just drove into the airport, which was abandoned. There is only one question: in the oil fields.

[marshes]

The Jordanian armored car seems to have South African roots.

[Kasym]

Salam, fellow countryman! The article was in April 2017. The machine is based on the Tatra chassis of its own production.
Erdogan of the Muslim Brotherhood. Naturally, his "bros" asked for help. But it is clear that someone is behind this playoff. Would the Turks and Jordanians lose their new cars if they weren't paid? Great question. Who needs it? The southern EU countries are interested in Libyan oil. The media reported on the clash of the special forces of France, Spain and Italy in Libya - are they allies in the EU ?!

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

Machine based on the Tatra chassis of its own production.

The Pakistanis do something like this at home,
Tatra, go and the only ones who install the cardan and gear in the ridge of the machine, that is, without frames.

[Kasym]

Article "The Jordanian Army will arm itself with an armored personnel carrier of its own design."
Maybe Haftar himself started - tired of looking at this "viper" ?! There are Islamic radicals in the two sides. But as I understand it, Kaftar has them home-grown, and from the other side there are also aliens. But Haftar would not dare without external support. They wrote that the UAE is actively supporting him - they have lost something there. Or did you want to play a big role in the international arena? There is also the Jordanian Abdullah, who certainly has something to do at home (Jordan is not the richest country in the region, often depends on "handouts"). Consequently, Kaftar has a more powerful patron (the supply of the army must definitely be taken from somewhere). Opposition forces were supported by the West, which brought "aliens" there. Therefore, I think that someone else is supporting Haftar. The PRC had great interests and invested there. And maybe Russia - Haftar even visited the aircraft carrier.

[Medvezhya lapa over Ki]

Interestingly deffki dance. For prostitution they stoned!

[rruvim]

They beat !!! Especially those who were "hanging out" at the American embassy. The ambassador himself was "fastened" to the Jeep. And the marines fled, and then one by one they were caught. Our embassy was not touched, because our PMC paratroopers do not surrender. The so-called rebels didn't even come close ...

[ultra]

Yeah, in Libya, such a tangle of interests intertwined that the devil would break his leg!

[PalBor]

Yes, in general, it is not necessary to go deep into it. Saraj, the head of the NDP, no one in the Arab world loves, except for any IS and Al-Qaeda, since he is too obvious a "paw" of the United States, the WBR and Qatar. The Turks are partners and the "roof" of Qatar, and for his money they will supply Saraj with whatever they want. The Italians were promised oil and they represent the interests of the NDP in the EU.
On the other hand, Haftar is supported by all more or less serious Arab players: Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Jordan, even the Saudis. And in many respects again in defiance of the "Evil dwarf" Qatar. Plus, France and Russia are solving their foreign policy and foreign economic (what to hide) tasks, being also on the side of Haftar.
Israel sits aside and rubs the handles.
In general, the "evening" ceases to be languid.

[PalBor]

Amendment: PNS, of course, and not the NDP, the couple I attributed to Transnistria here

[rruvim]

I agree with you. PNS from the Arab countries (Sunnis, Shiites, etc.) no one supports. This strange conglomeration is supported only by Europe.

[protoss]

Quote: rruvim

PNS from the Arab countries (Sunnis, Shiites, etc.) no one supports.

Tunisia is more likely to support Sarajah than Haftara.

[poquello]

))) well that's it

capable of carrying 13 people, including three crew members.

and this

holds 10 people, including two crew members.

[rruvim]

We support Haftar, and Erdogan, after promises to supply him (joint production) with just a S-500, sends weapons to the PNS. Secrets of the "Madrid court", damn it ...

[Medvezhya lapa over Ki]

Pancake. Burnt.

[Kalkan]

Quote: rruvim

We support Haftar

where is the information from? It seemed to me to be neutral in anticipation of the winner ...

[rruvim]

It seemed to me that we also maintained neutrality. Even Egypt agreed. And then the Turks ...

[Medvezhya lapa over Ki]

It’s good for him,
Who did not sell anywhere
Sold - money pouring
He screams: hooray

[rruvim]

Like that...

[Medvezhya lapa over Ki]

Hands shoulder width apart. Inhale, exhale. Hands do not raise

[rruvim]

And if "shy" with a hangover?

[KCA]

Some kind of dumb cars, do not inspire respect, does Kirpi have such a large radiator grille, so as not to miss and break through the radiator? And Al-Mared has so many embossed details on the armor that the DShK or KPV don’t have any bullet ricochet, let alone large calibers, although it seems that the PC will gut it

[marshes]

Quote: KCA

Some kind of dumb cars, do not inspire respect, Kirpi specially has such a large radiator grill,

There is nothing to be done to the south, the radiator must take the heat somewhere. The Turks still learned how to make cars, the recent case of somewhere in Africa blowing up the Cobra, they stopped letting out, and then there were quite a few left alive.

Quote: KCA

And Al-Mared has so many embossed details on the armor, so that there is no bullet rebound from the DShK or KPV, not to mention the large calibers, although it seems that the PC will gut it

That car is quietly holding a carbide-tungsten core 14.5.

[KCA]

So what is her armor thickness, with such a relief and resistance to penetration? Well, and weight, respectively, a wheeled tank? The BTR-60-70-80-82 has much more streamlined forms, but at the expense of breaking through an armor-piercing bullet of 14,5 with KPVT, I am not sure of them, unless I can hit it in the forehead. Undermining the undermining of strife, if an anti-personnel mine explodes under a simple pelvis wheel, everyone can survive, but if 20kg is a land mine or a cumulative anti-tank mine, then no one can get out of the tank

[marshes]

Quote: KCA

So what is her armor thickness, with such a relief and resistance to penetration? Well, and weight, respectively, a wheeled tank? The BTR-60-70-80-82 has much more streamlined forms, but at the expense of breaking through an armor-piercing bullet of 14,5 with KPVT, I am not sure of them, unless I can hit it in the forehead.

The Jordanians, on the second machine, collaborated with Paramount for quite some time, they bought some cars now, they buy Maradera and Mombombe from Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan. Mombombe 8x8 also holds Barys in a circular 14.5, plus the ability to install additional plates and Dynamic protection, you Imagine the detonation of DZ BTR 60-82 can withstand it. Although the machine weighs 27 tons, with full equipment.

Quote: KCA

Undermining the undermining of strife, if an anti-personnel mine explodes under a simple pelvis wheel, everyone can survive, but if 20kg is a land mine or a cumulative anti-tank mine, then no one can get out of the tank

Machines hold a blast, the most common ammunition is 152 mm, and this is more than 8 kg of TNT. It’s just easier to install a shell on a bookmark. Like hello to fishermen subglaciers.

[KCA]

The BTR-82A weighs 16 tons, 27 tons is clearly a reservation 2 times thicker. It’s easier to install a PT mine on a bookmark, the projectile requires either an observer with a radio or mobile communication channel, or to be smart with any additional fuse, push or magnetic, which is not easy. As far as I know, fishermen very rarely use military ammunition, as if civilian is much easier to steal, although, perhaps due to theft, more and more drafts are not used, but bulk or liquid explosives

[marshes]

Quote: KCA

The BTR-82A weighs 16 tons, 27 tons is clearly a reservation 2 times thicker. It’s easier to install a PT mine on a bookmark, the projectile requires either an observer with a radio or mobile communication channel, or to be smart with any additional fuse, push or magnetic,

There are simply no such mines, the projectile is easy to install and more powerful than a mine.

Quote: KCA

As far as I know, fishermen very rarely use military ammunition, as if civilian is much easier to steal, although, perhaps due to theft, more and more drafts are not used, but bulk or liquid explosives

And do not understand the bell, I have a gasoline, 160 mm in diameter, punched not only ice, but horizontally when the water supply system under the road changed, the pipe rotted in 30 years. I drilled 10 meters there. Casing from the sewage system at 100, I put plastic, but I installed a steel pipe, it’s easier if I grab it, I will warm it with a welder. Worldly wisdom.

[KCA]

In childhood, they found a rot, not even a screw, but a cup, the whole yard was in holes

[marshes]

Quote: KCA

In childhood, they found a rot, not even a screw, but a cup, the whole yard was in holes

I understand that he himself was
Now in this way, fences are set around the world.
He himself was still a goldfinch, his father received a summer house, with the usual scoop under the racks of the fence, the earth was drilled.
I’m very annoyed, they bought a house of German construction, the Germans dumped them on Faterland in 96, why they didn’t have enough brains, when they plumbed through the casing, they did everything for 120 asbestos-cement pipes. The Germans weren’t seeing them.
he just pulled out an old pipe and stuck a new one. Now he rebuilt the house, the principle is the same.
Where are the Germans? Kazakh turned out to be smarter.

[Oquzyurd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK-aCTd7Cps Вся техника серийная.Вы только смотрите ассортимент турецких бронемашин у компаний Оtosan,BMC,Tumosan,FNSS и промышленный группы KOC.

[rruvim]

I was surprised myself. A complete "serial" zoo.

[Oquzyurd]

Part of these models is for export, and another part is for yourself. That is, the industry works, jobs are created, and laid the scientific and industrial basis for further development in this area. And interestingly, from bolts and small parts to the engine and transmission - everything is created by local companies (not a license, but their own). I know that the main transmission and engine (350 l, 600 l, up to 1000 l) are produced by Tumosan, I tell them, Well done.

[rruvim]

I agree with you. Turkish industry is already self-sufficient.

[knn54]

The PNC represents all the Islamist rabble. And the Turks have little of their own problems, Syria, Sudan, they also climb into Libya. With such a policy, they will not see their 19 billion "evergreens" invested in the oil fields even under Gaddafi ...

[donavi49]

Well PNS (Tripolentans) - is really supported only by the Sulate. The rest is purely words. The Sultan, on the other hand, works as a roof for paid arms deliveries (all kinds of smuggling, etc.).

Haftara - supports Egypt, the United Arab Emirates (even with purchases in third countries, the same hero of the Al-Mared article) and various funny companies, such as the Kazakh Il, on which Kots flew.

[marshes]

Quote: donavi49

and various funny companies, such as Kazakh Il

Explain that you can, that for the ILA.

[donavi49]

IL-18 who carries patroshki to the forefront.

Minibus to Garyan. Together with the ammunition, the Il-Xnumx crew from Kazakhstan abandoned us south of Tripoli. The front line is in 18 kilometers. And since the start of the operation to storm Tripoli, we are the first foreign journalists who were allowed to enter here by the LNA.

[marshes]

Quote: donavi49

Together with the ammunition, the Il-18 crew from Kazakhstan abandoned us south of Tripoli.

The last 18 was decomposed on the runway to the constituents back in 2002 in Sudan, or rather Khartoum. There are practically no Kazakhstani aircrafts and there are no crews abroad either. Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are mowing under us.

[Butchcassidy]

Not surprisingly, Erdogan, who comes from the political wing of Turkish BMs banned in Russia, supports the government in Tripoli.
We wish good luck and means of destruction of Turkish armored vehicles to Marshal Haftaru!

[Oquzyurd]

Haftaru no longer shines, as she choked in her impulse of attack. The suddenness disappeared.

[Vadim237]

Judging by the map, this PNS doesn’t shine anything, at least supply weapons, at least do not supply

territory controlled by Haftar troops is shown in red.

[Oquzyurd]

Libya is a desert and the main cities and population are on the coast. And there is almost parity. In the south and in the center of the country there are no one but 3-5 Bedouins.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Haftaru no longer shines, as she choked in her impulse of attack. The suddenness disappeared.

Don't say gop until you jumped over. Quietly, I think, it will work out. It is to unleash a war quickly, and unifying a country is always difficult.

[Oquzyurd]

For ten years, the conflict and no one knows how to end. It’s like in Syria, even worse, in the sense of being interested in dividing the sea, where they found very large oil and gas reserves (up to 30% of the world’s known reserves). The fight is for every section of the coast for logistics and bases and the sea for drilling wells. The fight will be very fierce and Libya is the local site of this big fight. And yet, for Russia there is a huge danger in the form of competition when large-scale production from this sea occurs. It is no coincidence that more than 200 warships of 55 countries are here, each want chop off a piece. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9hf7419wBs

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Oquzyurd

For ten years, the conflict and no one knows how to end. It’s like in Syria, even worse, in the sense of being interested in dividing the sea, where they found very large oil and gas reserves (up to 30% of the world’s known reserves). The fight is for every section of the coast for logistics and bases and the sea for drilling wells. The fight will be very fierce and Libya is the local site of this big fight. And yet, for Russia there is a huge danger in the form of competition when large-scale production from this sea occurs. It is no coincidence that more than 200 warships of 55 countries are here, each want chop off a piece. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9hf7419wBs

Of course, for that Gaddafi and overthrown.
Russia is in no danger at all, moreover, we are interested in restoring Libya’s statehood, since we have a lot of investments and loans in the return of which everyone is interested.

[APASUS]

For me they’re trying to rock the region. I’m actually not surprised if arms deliveries from the USA and then to the two sides of the conflict go right away. Without the Americans, there’s no way ...............

[Babermetis]

Quote: APASUS

For me they’re trying to rock the region. I’m actually not surprised if arms deliveries from the USA and then to the two sides of the conflict go right away. Without the Americans, there’s no way ...............

The US is talking to both. Agree with those who offer more for American assistance.

[rruvim]

Why does Erdogan support the PNS? He himself has gemmoroi on "the very roof." And the Jordanians in general are like a "plug" in any conflict. They'd better "figure it out" in Yemen. The impression is that no one is going to fight there, and the "loot" is rather American for "halav".

[rruvim]

I mean, now in Libya no one is going to fight.

[rruvim]

I want to convey to our esteemed forum users on TOPVAR about the science of "conspiracy theology". There was NO war of Haftar against the PNS! Even the allegedly captured former airbases were abandoned long ago. The whole war took place only within the media. Therefore, the discrepancies: did he take the stadium
al-kuns or did not take it ... Everyone joked a bit about the presence of three planes at Haftar and three at PNS, then calmed down .... It is not Haftar who decides the issues. He can trigger a firefight of course. But Arabs always shoot "milk". This is their "national game", not to hit a person, but to crush something, and if they hit, then "Allah is the Witness" ... Other people decide the questions, they either sit in the Euro-cabinets, or on Rublevka.

[voyaka uh]

We know that you are a conspiracy theorist.

[rruvim]

But we know that you live in Israel, and you also know something about the conduct of the war by Arabs, including Jordanians ...

[rruvim]

After all, the Jordanian Al-Mared is a typical TATRA. Why should she be dragged to the port of Tripoli?

[voyaka uh]

Conspiracy. You have to guess: You are a conspiracy theorist.

[rruvim]

Well, of course. And which bulk carrier delivered these products to the port of Tripoli? And the place of shipment?

[rruvim]

Do you know what kind of ship it is and under what flag? And who is the owner? It "lit up" in many operations.

[rotfuks]

Without diving into technical details. I recall that in the events of 08.08.08, Turkish armored cars delivered by Saakashvili’s army were also mentioned. And these armored cars were also supplied as know-how and a bunch of advanced technologies. But these armored cars were shot in Tskhinvali through the stern sheet and right through to the front sheet through the usual sniper rifle of the USSR. Are these armored cars from the same series? Can the Turks measure the penetration of armored vehicles by other standards?

[rruvim]

Here is a post about why the Turks, and what is more, with their own different technique, stood up for the PNS?