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Seven Rafale could not sit on the deck of "Charles de Gaulle" off the coast of Indonesia

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The Indonesian press talks about the incident with French fighter aircraft wing aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. We are talking about Dassault Rafale aircraft, which took part in exercises in the airspace of Indonesia together with the local military aviation.


Seven Rafale could not sit on the deck of "Charles de Gaulle" off the coast of Indonesia


Seven fighters of the French Navy on Saturday were supposed to return on board the Charles de Gaulle after completing one of the stages of the exercise, but could not do it.

At that time, the French aircraft carrier was located approximately 100 nautical miles west of the exclusive economic zone of the Indonesian island of Sumatra. During the flight, the Rafale fighters were caught in bad weather: a dense fog covered the area of ​​the exercise, and heavy rain was falling. In such circumstances, the pilots attempted to land on board the aircraft carrier, but this, as stated, "hid a threat", and therefore they refused to board the Charles de Gaulle on board.

As a result, it was decided to land aircraft at the Indonesian Air Force Base in Aceh province.

Moreover, it turned out that the two Rafale had technical problems. What kind of problems in question, not yet reported.

The command of the Indonesian Air Force notes that the Indonesian technicians have carried out an inspection of the technical condition of the French aircraft. Together with the French, it was decided to temporarily leave these two fighters at the Aceh airbase in order to eliminate the problems identified. Five other Rafale, made an emergency landing at the Indonesian Air Force Base, a few hours later returned to the aircraft carrier.

In France, meanwhile, there were questions to meteorologists who did not provide the Navy pilots with an accurate forecast before the flight. However, in the meteorological service they note that at this time of year in the Sumatra region the weather is usually extremely changeable.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 20 May 2019 07: 47
    +11
    In flight, the Rafale fighters were caught in bad weather: the exercise area was covered with thick fog, and it was also pouring rain. In such conditions, the pilots tried to land on board the aircraft carrier, but this, as stated, "concealed a threat," and therefore refused to land on the deck of the Charles de Gaulle.

    The correct actions of the pilots.
    The question is, why do those who do not bother to take an interest in weather with meteorologists get a salary?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 May 2019 07: 59
      +50
      Well, they didn’t sit down because of the bad weather ... But they presented it as if some kind of bride
      cataclysm! Love the media to submit material!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 20 May 2019 08: 07
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Well, they didn’t sit down because of the bad weather ... But they presented it as if some kind of bride
        cataclysm! Love the media to submit material!

        Well, they posted on VO so that the fools would catch another ecstasy in carbon monoxide fun and hype. The news is really from the category of everyday.
        1. Fayter
          Fayter 20 May 2019 08: 21
          +17
          But what is it, the enemy must respond with his methods, practice the presentation of material, humiliating the potential enemy.
          We once again kick Russia in the media is for happiness.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 20 May 2019 08: 24
            +1
            Quote: Fayter
            But what is it, the enemy must respond with his methods, practice the presentation of material, humiliating the potential enemy.

            And what, it became easier? If a dog barks at you, do you get on all fours and also start barking at it?
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 20 May 2019 08: 51
              +24
              Quote: NEXUS
              And what, it became easier? If a dog barks at you, do you get on all fours and also start barking at it?

              Dogs are afraid of unusual actions. And if you also bite her ...
            2. bk316
              bk316 20 May 2019 14: 22
              +5
              If a dog barks at you, do you get on all fours and also start barking at it?

              Have you seen the kukryniksy posters?
              Do you think Goebels or Pinochet looked like these posters in life?
              There is an information war and any blunder of the enemy should be presented in the right light, namely to instill insecurity in the enemy and confidence in us. Another thing is that this must be done professionally, as in fact everything in this world ....
        2. Thunderbringer
          Thunderbringer 20 May 2019 08: 47
          +9
          Quote: NEXUS
          Well, they posted on VO so that the fools would catch another ecstasy in carbon monoxide fun and hype. The news is really from the category of everyday.



          Strange, while only yours are jumping. The entire thread is initially filled with "comments".
          What do you have there. advance payment issued?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 20 May 2019 08: 50
            -5
            Quote: Thunderbringer
            It's strange until only yours are jumping.

            Who are ours, dear? Or is it already impossible to apprehend the news adequately from behind a hill?
        3. Glory1974
          Glory1974 20 May 2019 08: 56
          +8
          on VO laid out so that the fools caught another ecstasy in carbon monoxide fun and hype

          Well, why so rude?
          During the Iraq war, the Italian squadron took off on a mission, but was unable to refuel during the flight and returned to the base without completing the mission.
          In this case, the news shows a similar level of preparedness for potential friends. No ecstasy, just sober calculation and analysis.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 20 May 2019 09: 01
            -1
            Quote: glory1974
            In this case, the news shows a similar level of preparedness for potential friends.

            And in your opinion, the French should have shouted "Banzai" one after the other sits on the deck of an aircraft carrier? And not with a database and under such meteorological conditions. What is the level and professionalism of those flyers who were sitting in the Rafale's cockpits if they were training flights? Were they super-aces? I don’t think so ... and the fact that they didn’t land on the aircraft carrier, I think it was the right decision.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 20 May 2019 13: 20
              +2
              And in your opinion, the French should have shouted "Banzai" one after the other sits on the deck of an aircraft carrier?

              Less emotion. We see who can what. So intelligence is collected, up to 90% from open sources. If you read the remaining 10%, then there will probably be information that the automatic landing system is not working, or the devices are not ready, etc. Including the professionalism of the pilots is visible. If these are young pilots - one thing, if they are aces, then the conclusions are completely different.
              1. victor50
                victor50 21 May 2019 10: 33
                0
                Quote: glory1974
                So intelligence gathers, up to 90% from open sources

                And in the branch of the GRU and the KGB ?! Are foreign news reprinted for them? They no longer speak foreign languages ​​at all? Only able to read the Russian press ?! Oh, trouble! request lol
            2. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 20 May 2019 15: 57
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: glory1974
              In this case, the news shows a similar level of preparedness for potential friends.

              And in your opinion, the French should have shouted "Banzai" one after the other sits on the deck of an aircraft carrier? And not with a database and under such meteorological conditions. What is the level and professionalism of those flyers who were sitting in the Rafale's cockpits if they were training flights? Were they super-aces? I don’t think so ... and the fact that they didn’t land on the aircraft carrier, I think it was the right decision.

              On aircraft carriers, only super-duper pilots. Others will not be able to sit.
              Well, the land was near, but what if in the middle of the ocean? So either the equipment is not all-weather, or gaps in the training of pilots. We like both. Like it or not, and these are our enemies.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 20 May 2019 18: 21
                +2
                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                On aircraft carriers, only super-duper pilots

                This is true. To sit on the deck is not at all a land aerodrome. And not for you to belittle their merits and mock them.

                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                and if in the middle of the ocean?

                that means they would sit down, regardless of the conditions. You understand one thing - when there is an option with less risk, it is logical to use it. You would, of course, headlong, climb into the fog at night on an aircraft carrier - with a high probability of breaking. Do you value your life (I don’t ask about others - I know you don't care about others)? Why shouldn't others appreciate it?
                1. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin 20 May 2019 20: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Gregory_45 (Gregory) Today, 18:21
                  0
                  Quote: Captain Pushkin
                  On aircraft carriers, only super-duper pilots
                  This is true. To sit on the deck is not at all a land aerodrome. And not for you to belittle their merits and mock them.

                  I did not scoff at anyone. Pilots of aircraft carrier aircraft are the elite.
                  During the Vietnam War, the Americans measured the pulse of pilots in sorties, and so, when landing on an aircraft carrier, the pulse was higher than even when the aircraft was fired from the ground in the Vietnamese air defense zone.

                  But the fact that France’s aircraft carrier aircraft is not all-weather makes me happy. If they cannot put an airplane on deck in difficult weather conditions in peacetime, then they cannot in war. More precisely, not everyone will be able to, and whoever cannot, will kill both himself and the plane. And an aircraft carrier will either damage and incapacitate or destroy at all.
                  1. victor50
                    victor50 21 May 2019 10: 37
                    0
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    more precisely, not everyone will be able to, and whoever cannot, will ruin both himself and the plane. And an aircraft carrier will either damage and incapacitate or destroy at all.

                    Are you also balanced in your analysis of the state of our aircraft?
            3. tech3030
              tech3030 20 May 2019 16: 05
              -1
              And if in combat conditions and far from the coast, what would the pilots do, would catapult?
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 20 May 2019 18: 22
                0
                Quote: tech3030
                And if in combat conditions and far from the coast, what would the pilots do

                read my comment above, to Pushkin
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 20 May 2019 10: 44
            +4
            Quote: glory1974
            Well, why so rude?

            that is the truth. You may not like it, but the score is objective.
            Quote: glory1974
            In this case, the news shows a similar level of preparedness for potential friends.

            that is, it shows the correct and competent actions. Do not expose pilots and the ship to undue risk. What, about yours, should the French do? For fun, you crash planes and ruin your life?
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 20 May 2019 13: 24
              -2
              No one disputes competent actions. Could not sit, fly ashore.
              What, about yours, should the French do? For fun, you crash planes and ruin your life?

              I don’t need to have fun. And professionals analyze the level of flight training and the technical component of landing on an aircraft carrier. And also is there a system in these actions, or is this a one-time case.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 20 May 2019 18: 23
                0
                Quote: glory1974
                And professionals analyze the level of flight training and the technical component of landing on an aircraft carrier.

                they acted in accordance with the instructions. Are you a professional to evaluate their actions?
                1. Glory1974
                  Glory1974 20 May 2019 19: 52
                  -1
                  they acted in accordance with the instructions.

                  They entered according to either: 1. with the level of flight training. 2. with the level of technical equipment. In both cases, this is a reconnaissance feature for analysis.
                  Are you a professional to evaluate their actions?

                  Of course. Therefore, he wrote that it is being evaluated.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 20 May 2019 20: 27
                    -2
                    Quote: glory1974
                    They acted in accordance

                    they acted in accordance with instructions and common sense

                    Quote: glory1974
                    And you are a professional,

                    Quote: glory1974
                    Of course

                    Are you a deck pilot? Judging by your comments, you’re a couch general
                    1. Glory1974
                      Glory1974 21 May 2019 08: 11
                      -1
                      they acted in accordance with instructions and common sense

                      You cannot understand that this is not about the news itself, but about what information can be extracted from this. I wrote you in plain text, which one. And yes, I understand this.
          3. Hiwan
            Hiwan 20 May 2019 13: 05
            -2
            Like a couple of years ago off the coast of Syria, our aircraft carrier could not take a couple of fighters. So they splashed down laughing
        4. siberalt
          siberalt 20 May 2019 09: 05
          +9
          The regular situation was presented as an extraordinary event. What is the trick here? winked
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 20 May 2019 20: 15
            -1
            Quote: siberalt
            The regular situation was presented as an extraordinary event. What is the trick here? winked

            The trick is that the French carrier aircraft are not all-weather.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 20 May 2019 20: 28
              0
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              French carrier aircraft are not weatherproof.

              and our all-weather? Can fly with sea waves of 9 points and a hurricane? Any deck aviation (like any other) has restrictions on flight conditions. If you are an ignoramus
            2. VeteranVSSSR
              VeteranVSSSR 20 May 2019 22: 50
              -1
              Captain Pushkin, who gave you the right to talk about someone else's carrier aircraft without having your own.
              Pilots sat alive / healthy without ditching the equipment. And no matter who was at the helm.
              But this is not enough for Pushkin, it is necessary that the pilots have a mouthful of sand, but their commanders decided, let it be, a mouthful of g ... and everyone will be alive !!!
              Pushkin, understand, there’s no other grief !!!, and wishes are returned.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 23 May 2019 18: 09
                -1
                Quote: VeteranVSSSR
                Captain Pushkin, who gave you the right to talk about someone else's carrier aircraft without having your own.

                uh, is he a Belarusian too? Well then, probably yes.
                Quote: VeteranVSSSR
                Understand someone else’s grief !!!, and wishes come back.

                as it happens. Something I strongly doubt that in 1945 anyone supported your theory saying that the Austrian artist was harassed wink and let me remind you that we (we are Russians) are talking about our enemy in the person of NATO. Or are you friends already? Well tady you can grieve yes
                1. VeteranVSSSR
                  VeteranVSSSR 23 May 2019 21: 09
                  -1
                  Why is the whole WORLD enemies to you, why ???
                  In 1945, my mother and grandfather were freed by the Americans.
                  In WWII, my grandfather’s sibling commanded a warship of the US Navy ..
                  Need more examples ??? or better to think, and then to set it apart.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 24 May 2019 13: 07
                    0
                    Quote: VeteranVSSSR
                    Why is the whole WORLD enemies to you, why ???
                    In 1945, my mother and grandfather were freed by the Americans.
                    In WWII, my grandfather’s sibling commanded a warship of the US Navy ..
                    Need more examples ??? or better to think, and then to set it apart.

                    because:
                    1 Churchill Plan 1945 (Operation "The Unthinkable")
                    2 The first American plans of 1945 for the nuclear bombing of the USSR
                    3 1946 Totality Plan
                    4 Churchill's 1947 Plan for Nuclear Bombing of the USSR
                    5 1949 Dropshot Plan
                    6 1956 SAC Plan
                    7 Plans to stage a Soviet attack on the United States to start a war (1962)
                    add to this the modern rhetoric of NATO generals and the picture becomes complete.
                    if you are persistent and divorced from reality, I remind you that the United States and the entire NATO alliance plain text They say that one of their main enemies is Russia or China. in the list of threats, the Chinese and I are interchanged from time to time but the essence of the matter does not change.

                    if after that you still don’t understand, then I don’t know what arguments you still need. request
                    1. VeteranVSSSR
                      VeteranVSSSR 25 May 2019 18: 33
                      0
                      Your last plan is dated 1962, not an argument.
                      And today, NATO again nailed Russia-Chukhontsy 0: 1.
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        5. Serg65
          Serg65 20 May 2019 09: 08
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          on VO laid out so that the fools caught another ecstasy

          laughing Nah, they put it on the VO so that the shifters would change their shoes again in the jump .. everything is disgusting on Kuznetsov, about on de Gaulle
          Quote: NEXUS
          The correct actions of the pilots.

          And everything is fine !!!
          1. novel66
            novel66 20 May 2019 09: 36
            +4
            great, through thirty-three walking places !!! hi on the one hand, everything is cool! and in the middle of the ocean such crap happen ??? military aviation should be round-the-clock and all-weather, otherwise why should it
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 20 May 2019 10: 15
              +4
              Hi Flyer! hi
              Quote: novel xnumx
              military aviation should be round-the-clock and all-weather,

              Maritime aviation has its limitations with sea waves above 5 points and fog .... there are often no alternate aerodromes nearby.
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 20 May 2019 18: 37
              0
              Quote: novel xnumx
              military aviation should be round-the-clock and all-weather, otherwise why should it

              Such aviation does not exist in the world. There are always limitations. And in technology and weather conditions and in the preparation of l / s. hi
          2. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 20 May 2019 10: 49
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: NEXUS
            on VO laid out so that the fools caught another ecstasy

            laughing Nah, they put it on the VO so that the shifters would change their shoes again in the jump .. everything is disgusting on Kuznetsov, about on de Gaulle
            Quote: NEXUS
            The correct actions of the pilots.

            And everything is fine !!!

            And that everything is good on Kuznetsovo?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 20 May 2019 13: 07
              0
              Quote: Vol4ara
              And that everything is good on Kuznetsovo?

              Kuznetsov in a scheduled repair, good or bad we will see after it comes out of repair! But you are not interested in this?
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 21 May 2019 08: 35
                0
                Quote: Serg65
                Quote: Vol4ara
                And that everything is good on Kuznetsovo?

                Kuznetsov in a scheduled repair, good or bad we will see after it comes out of repair! But you are not interested in this?

                And how is it being repaired without a dock, norms?
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 21 May 2019 08: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  And how is it being repaired without a dock, norms?

                  And the whole repair is in the dock?
                  Repair and modernization are proceeding normally; in the 20 year there will be re-docking in the 35 shipyard.
                  1. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 21 May 2019 09: 19
                    0
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Quote: Vol4ara
                    And how is it being repaired without a dock, norms?

                    And the whole repair is in the dock?
                    Repair and modernization are proceeding normally; in the 20 year there will be re-docking in the 35 shipyard.

                    Re-docking where? I hope you didn’t mean drowned front 50, otherwise you’ll have to get to the bottom
        6. Igor V
          Igor V 20 May 2019 12: 16
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          so that the fools caught another ecstasy in carbon monoxide fun and hype.

          Something similar statements got a little. You would specifically write about something, or not write at all how to use jargon that is understandable only to you.
        7. Ka-52
          Ka-52 20 May 2019 14: 58
          -2
          NEXUS (Andrey) Today, 08: 07
          Well, they posted on VO so that the fools would catch another ecstasy in carbon monoxide fun and hype.

          about uryakalok everything is clear. But you, too, do not look like yourself. There are no screams "everything is lost, all thieves and embezzlers" that you write regardless of the topic of the article winked
      2. bobba94
        bobba94 20 May 2019 20: 26
        0
        As the saying goes: "The tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it." Everyday, it's when the exercise takes place 100 miles from the economic zone. The hint is that the exercises can be conducted a little further from the economic zone and the pilot will not have the opportunity to urgently land the plane at the air force base.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 20 May 2019 08: 22
      +3
      The question is, why do those who do not bother to take an interest in weather with meteorologists get a salary?

      However, the meteorological service notes that at this time of the year in the Sumatra region the weather is usually extremely changeable.

      Do you always have scheduled weather in the middle lane? So there’s a surprise - it’s not everywhere and not always like that.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 20 May 2019 08: 25
        -6
        Quote: alexmach
        Do you always have scheduled weather in the middle lane?

        For this, there are meteorologists. Before departure, weather is requested to decide whether there will be flights or not.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 20 May 2019 09: 34
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          For this, there are meteorologists.


          laughing
        2. novel66
          novel66 20 May 2019 09: 45
          +4
          actually in a decent society. weather scouts are sent
          1. luka57
            luka57 20 May 2019 11: 11
            0
            Quote: novel xnumx
            actually in a decent society. weather scouts are sent

            In France, meanwhile, questions arose for meteorologists who did not provide the Navy pilots with an accurate forecast before the flight. However, the meteorological service notes that at this time of the year in the Sumatra region the weather is usually extremely changeable.
    3. Civil
      Civil 20 May 2019 08: 22
      +3
      Do not drown? And then there were cases.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 20 May 2019 08: 43
        +5
        It was fortunate that the shore was nearby, and on the shore there was a base that could receive the Rafali. Otherwise, you would have to risk getting on deck and it's hard to imagine how everything would turn out.
    4. yehat
      yehat 20 May 2019 10: 38
      0
      I wonder if the Americans would decide to sit down? they seem to have implemented an automatic landing system
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 20 May 2019 18: 46
        0
        Quote: yehat
        I wonder if the Americans would decide to sit down?

        It seems that they have an emergency escape in the "peak" situation. The pilot is more expensive than the plane.
    5. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 20 May 2019 10: 56
      +5
      "Correct pilot actions" ///
      -----
      Which ones are right? But what if the aircraft carrier is in the middle of the ocean?
      What if a sudden storm?
      Naval pilots must be able to board the deck in ANY situation. And Americans, by the way, constantly train to plant at night and in fog. And in the storm.
      And the British managed to land the Harriers in the stormy Atlantic in almost zero visibility.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 20 May 2019 11: 05
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Which ones are right? But what if the aircraft carrier is in the middle of the ocean?

        Dear, what is the level of pilots who were in Rafaly? Does it occur to you that there is a planned raid and training of young flyers? They will train, after that there will be an open ocean and landing at night, and so on ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 20 May 2019 11: 06
          +1
          Well, if training, then you are right. drinks
        2. Ka-52
          Ka-52 20 May 2019 15: 07
          -1
          NEXUS (Andrey) Today, 11: 05
          Does it occur to you that there is a planned raid and training of young flyers?

          what training, what raid? Are you reading the text diagonally? There was a co-ordination exercise with the Indonesian Air Force. And not the training of their own pilots in the AER from an aircraft carrier.
          The name of the unlucky one has long been stuck behind "Nosaty".
          By the way, compensators on aircraft carriers of this type can remove pitching when waves are up to 6 points
      2. yehat
        yehat 20 May 2019 13: 19
        0
        Well, the storm is a storm of strife!
        firstly, I like to swim myself in a 4-point excitement, which is called a storm
        secondly, the American avik storm feels far from the same way as a fishing longboat
        thirdly, only limited visibility and side wind mostly interfere with the storm
        the first should be able to overcome every pilot, the second is often treated by turning Avik.
      3. bobba94
        bobba94 20 May 2019 20: 34
        0
        I saw a landing of planes returning from combat sortie to the Constellation in the Gulf of Tonkin. Pilots returned on nerves, some missed 3 times. There, they did not pay attention to meteorological and storm conditions. The best pilots were selected for naval aviation.
    6. luka57
      luka57 20 May 2019 11: 01
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      The question is, why do those who do not bother to take an interest in weather with meteorologists get a salary?

      yes, sort of interested
      In France, meanwhile, there were questions to meteorologists who did not provide the Navy pilots with an accurate forecast before the flight. However, in the meteorological service they note that at this time of year in the Sumatra region the weather is usually extremely changeable.
    7. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 20 May 2019 17: 11
      0
      and 100% they don’t.
    8. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 20 May 2019 18: 54
      +1
      So, I’m embarrassed to ask if the ability to take off flights, and most importantly landings, depends on the weather - is the aircraft carrier not very good or the junk aircraft?
  2. knn54
    knn54 20 May 2019 07: 48
    +5
    At least they didn’t fall into the sea ...
  3. Altona
    Altona 20 May 2019 07: 48
    +5
    I remembered the phrase from the movie "Deja vu": "I am an American scientist-entomologist, I am following to Sumatra in search of butterflies!"
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 20 May 2019 08: 01
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      I remembered the phrase from the movie "Deja vu": "I am an American scientist-entomologist, I am following to Sumatra in search of butterflies!"

      Yes, that was the case. Their profession not only understands butterflies ... laughing
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 20 May 2019 07: 50
    +4
    Only experienced pilots can land an aircraft on the deck of aircraft carriers ... only kamikaze can land in fog ... the right decision was made by the Indonesians to land on land.
    1. Spambox
      Spambox 20 May 2019 08: 39
      +7
      Watch the video on how mattresses are planted in fog, they don’t have any problems with this. Here it is a raid and the level of training
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 20 May 2019 08: 53
        0
        Here it is a raid and the level of training

        I agree with you. And the news perfectly shows the level of training, which means it is needed to assess the potential of potential friends.
      2. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 20 May 2019 09: 13
        -1
        Here somewhere there was a table with the cost of an hour of flight time for US aircraft. The F-15 has about $ 14000, the F-18 even more. I think Raphael has comparable numbers. So the paddling pools save on preparation. After cement bombs in Libya, such a trifle is not surprising.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 20 May 2019 10: 51
          0
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          Here somewhere there was a table with the cost of an hour of flight time for US aircraft. The F-15 has about $ 14000, the F-18 even more. I think Raphael has comparable numbers. So the paddling pools save on preparation. After cement bombs in Libya, such a trifle is not surprising.

          What cement bombs?
          1. yehat
            yehat 20 May 2019 13: 26
            +3
            the French dropped some of the bombs without explosives
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 May 2019 15: 47
          +1
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          Here somewhere was a table with the cost of an hour of flight time for US aircraft. The F-15 is about $ 14000, the F-18 is even more.

          On the contrary: according to the results of the work against Islamic radicals, it turned out that the F / A-18 flight hour is almost half the price of the F-15, and is approximately equal in value to the F-16 flight hour:
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 20 May 2019 17: 42
            0
            Thank you for finding. And then I confused the four and one places. Not 14 thousand per hour, but almost 42.
          2. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 20 May 2019 18: 56
            0
            Why is a tiltrotor so expensive? Or do they immediately convert motor resources into bucks?
      3. Shorik
        Shorik 20 May 2019 10: 58
        0
        I would watch a video of how the vksniks land the plane on the deck of Kuzi, but this video can no longer be shot
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 20 May 2019 11: 00
        +4
        Quite right. Americans are constantly practicing blind planting. Moreover, at group exercises on an aircraft carrier. This is the standard for naval aviation.
        1. yehat
          yehat 20 May 2019 13: 27
          0
          and it was given to them by very high expenses for training pilots and a considerable number of incidents, but valuable experience was gained in the preparation and operation.
  5. Siberian
    Siberian 20 May 2019 08: 16
    -3
    And they still wanted to flush out their aircraft carriers, invisible in the fog. Well, that did not fall for.
    1. IL-2
      IL-2 20 May 2019 08: 23
      +2
      Tell me What kind of aircraft carriers did the French want to sell us? very interesting information!
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 20 May 2019 08: 28
      +3
      Quote: Siberian
      And they still wanted to flush out their aircraft carriers, invisible in the fog. Well, that did not fall for.

      Irina, they didn’t want to sell us aircraft carriers, but Mistral helicopter carriers. Slightly different ships. hi
  6. cniza
    cniza 20 May 2019 08: 33
    +6
    At that time, the French aircraft carrier was located approximately 100 nautical miles west of the exclusive economic zone of the Indonesian island of Sumatra. During the flight, the Rafale fighters were caught in bad weather: a dense fog covered the area of ​​the exercise, and heavy rain was falling. In such circumstances, the pilots attempted to land on board the aircraft carrier, but this, as stated, "hid a threat", and therefore they refused to board the Charles de Gaulle on board.


    Normal work situation ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 20 May 2019 09: 56
      +2
      Hi, Victor! and here the question arises!
  7. Avior
    Avior 20 May 2019 08: 47
    +5
    I don’t know if the French have a blind landing system, but the fact that they didn’t take risks in the exercises is quite normal.
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  9. Minato2020
    Minato2020 20 May 2019 11: 56
    +1
    “In France, meanwhile, questions arose for meteorologists who did not provide the Navy pilots with an accurate forecast before the flight. However, the meteorological service notes that at this time of the year in the Sumatra region, the weather is usually extremely changeable ... "

    Something is wrong with the weather, not only in Sumatra
    Soon, there is something wrong with the weather.
    https://alexandrafl.livejournal.com/570306.html
  10. Bypassed
    Bypassed 20 May 2019 12: 49
    +1
    According to a temporary factor, the matter was almost on the verge of the collapse of the USSR. At Samarsky at one factory there was an airplane. Twice a week, he wound to Moscow and back. The plane was called general. But by any coincidence, I was added to the list of passengers entitled to fly on this plane. Yes, it was convenient to get from Moscow.
    That's what I'm talking about - the pro pilots. Once flew out of Samara. The weather has sharply deteriorated and all planes have been banned by weather conditions. But! Not! This plane !. We stood at the taxiing position - waiting for the current window of opportunity to appear - took off. The chatter was still that. But the pilots are pros. Still, it’s still civilian. And from the military - the task is required. Well, it was fortunate that there was an aerodrome too. And in battle?
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 20 May 2019 17: 49
      0
      Quote: PASSED BY
      And in battle?

      But in battle, anything happens, and landing on water in connection with the generation of fuel was not uncommon. As well as dropping aircraft overboard in case of fire or the need to take someone else's air group.
  11. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 20 May 2019 13: 22
    0
    Here it is the Achilles' heel of all aircraft carriers and generally large combat surface ships
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 20 May 2019 14: 46
      +2
      This is only for those who have not been trained to plant blindly.
      Standard exercise for naval aviation.
  12. Evil echo
    Evil echo 20 May 2019 14: 05
    0
    it’s not worth a damn, and the bazaar was lit, as if something had really happened
  13. Marat79
    Marat79 20 May 2019 14: 53
    -1
    Good news for the Indians. Buy rafals with them. Well, there are no problems in your tropical climate. These are your MiGs - slag. Well them. Here rafal is another matter. and f35 so generally super
  14. greenegro
    greenegro 20 May 2019 17: 43
    0
    In bad weather, you can’t butt on airplanes.
  15. NordUral
    NordUral 20 May 2019 18: 25
    0
    And what's so unusual about that? The guys made the right decision.
  16. midshipman
    midshipman 20 May 2019 18: 58
    +1
    On these aircraft, landing in automatic mode is up to 340 meters to the edge of the stern. Next, the pilot must manually (director) to land. Avionics is like that. Now in our country, the development of automatic landing is intensively underway.
  17. barik92090
    barik92090 21 May 2019 09: 42
    0
    And their praise, some kind of suspicious ...
  18. kytx
    kytx 22 May 2019 02: 56
    0
    Yeah, the title thought the rafals were smashed when landing with Avik :)
    and everything turned out to be trite and boring
    I saw on YouTube how a pinwheel sits on a Norwegian watchman in a storm
    there the pilot is a real pro with a completely frozen brain
    Well, maybe he ran out of fuel
    Uncle can not say anything
    how did he decide not to land