Export ZRPK "Pantsir-S1M" taught to hit all types of UAVs

The upgraded version of the Pantsir-S1M anti-aircraft missile and gun system (ZRPK) intended for export is capable of effectively hitting all types of drones. The complex received this opportunity in the course of improvements made taking into account the use of air defense systems in Syria. Sergey Mikhaylov, deputy general director of the holding "High-precision complexes" for foreign economic activity, announced this.

According to Mikhailov, the Pantsir-C1M modernized air-defense missile system has significantly expanded the type of targets hit, taking into account the experience gained from using the complex in Syria. In the course of the improvements, it was possible to achieve confident work of the ZRPK on all types of UAVs. Also, the radius of destruction of the complex has been increased to 30 km due to the use of a new rocket.

Increase the range to 30 km by introducing a new rocket. Accordingly, there will already be two types of missiles: these are the so-called near and far

- he explained.

Mikhailov clarified that this version of the Pantsir-С1М ZRPK is intended for deliveries abroad. Currently, the complex is completing preliminary tests at one of the military sites in Russia. For the Russian army, a modernized version of the Pantsir-SM, which will replace the Pantsir-C1 basic version in service, is being developed.

Meanwhile, Belarus offered to put the Pantsir launcher on the platform of the Minsk plant of wheeled tractors. Such a proposal was made in the context of equipping the Belarusian armed forces with these complexes. But for now this is only a proposal, not an approved decision.

Earlier, Belarusian gunsmiths offered several projects in which Russian combat modules would be mounted on a Belarusian chassis.

Comments

[Guillon]

Interestingly, what prevented immediately making such a modification ?! Apparently damn underfunding?
And the complex is excellent and we really need it !!!

[Spartanez300]

The Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) tested the new Pantsir-SM anti-aircraft missile-cannon complex.
Due to the use of a new sighting station and a radar module with an active phased array, the Pantsir-SM new complex has increased the range of target detection from 40 to 75 kilometers, and the long-range border of the affected area has increased from 20 to 40 kilometers.

[neri73-r]

In fact, a new machine, both the base and the module.

[Evil echo]

Afiget, give two

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Spartanez300

Through the use of a new sighting station and a radar module with an active phased array antenna

and how much (or how many times /) has its value increased? One of the main advantages of "Pantsir" was its relatively low cost - both the complex itself and the missiles. Just do not say that AFAR, new electronics and new missiles only "slightly" raised it

[Vita vko]

Quote: Gillaton

Apparently damn underfunding?

Funding is more than adequate. The number of Pantsir systems produced has already exceeded a hundred long ago. And our mentality, as always, interferes. For example, if there is a TK, then it needs to be quickly completed and reported, and then at least "the grass will not grow", "and so it will do." Moreover, the deadlines for acceptance and testing are tight. Intellectual workers - engineers and scientists are purely creative people. If you put pressure on them with terms and authorities, then hack-work is inevitable. No one comes to mind to set deadlines and plans for poets, for the artists for which they must create a masterpiece. Consumer goods as much as necessary. Therefore, hack-work comes up during real hostilities.

[Den717]

Quote: Vita VKO

For example, if there is a TK, then it needs to be quickly completed and reported, and then at least "the grass will not grow", "and so it will do." Moreover, the deadlines for acceptance and testing are tight. Intellectual workers - engineers and scientists are purely creative people. If you put pressure on them with terms and authorities, then hack-work is inevitable.

Try at least once to build not just a progressive weapon for air defense, but a simple birdhouse in conditions when "creative" designers will make changes to your project every day. The approved project must first be built, tested, and then, if necessary and possible, modernized. Despite the fact that TK is laid down by the military during the development of this, it is hardly possible, if not impossible, to "quickly execute" it. Your reasoning is suitable for making children's sandpipers, no more.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Den717

Your reasoning is suitable for making children's sandpipers, no more.

Undoubtedly, with an amateur, without knowledge and experience, and the "baby cake" will crumble. It is very difficult for scientists and professionals to work in such conditions; not everyone can stand it.

[23424636]

roughly speaking, it was necessary to give a kick to the whole of this cohort of Tula sawmills of the state bloc for the armor, and the failure of the Indian tender showed this. Academician Shipunov pushed ATGM against maneuvering targets in the air with his authority. The result - Israeli mocking movies to destroy complexes. With their planning bombs. Kamaz with a high center, prone to overturning is also not good. Syria has shown that this is a crude complex and requires urgent modernization. And missiles and radar. And what if there was no Syrian experience, they would continue to cut loot for a raw product.

[Thrifty]

They will come to mind already in Syria - there militants regularly use drones against our base. .

[Invoce]

Quote: Gillaton

Interestingly, what prevented immediately making such a modification ?! Apparently damn underfunding?
And the complex is excellent and we really need it !!!

To make changes in the performance characteristics, an understanding of what needs to be done is necessary. Break-in in Syria gave such an understanding. Excessive characteristics are not always needed, especially in a complex oriented to export. In the export version, tender characteristics and price are important! It is very good when the TTX / price ratio is higher than that of competitors

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Invoce

Break-in in Syria gave such an understanding.

nonsense. The shortcomings of the Shell were known even before its combat use, according to the results of tests in Russia. Back in 2012. Or even then we fought in Syria? ..))

By the way, the shell was made for a foreign customer (UAE), since he was not initially interested in the native MO

[tzarput2019-01]

Export ZRPK "Pantsir-S1M" taught to hit all types of UAVs
- except Israeli

[Thunderbringer]

This is only in the Israeli media.
And so in fact everything in a row, even God's chosen drones.

[Black sniper]

The shell is deep no matter who the manufacturer of the drone is.

[USSR 3.0]

Well, no less queue will be built for this SAM than for S-400

[Black sniper]

This is if the price is lower, and the performance characteristics / quality is higher than that of competitors. By the way, Belarus also wants to trade their modernized BUKs.

[lucul]

Quote: tzarput2019-01

Export ZRPK "Pantsir-S1M" taught to hit all types of UAVs
- except Israeli

Yes Yes )))))
You have God's chosen drones)))

[Den717]

Meanwhile, Belarus has offered to supply the Pantsir ZRPK launcher on the platform of the Minsk Wheeled Tractor Plant. This proposal was made in the context of equipping the armed forces of Belarus with these complexes.

What is it? Old Man KAMAZ stood up across the throat? Once he accused our auto industry of the lack of brains for the construction of the chassis. Here he himself refused brains. In the contract, I would attach the Shell to KAMAZ tightly. But I think that GDP will go to the old man. And in the fight against drones, one could consider a 57-mm artillery piece with ammunition with half-ready slaughter elements of remote detonation. For drone speeds, a particularly high rate of fire is probably not necessary. Still, spending a rocket on a cheap kamikaze UAV is a little expensive. IMHO

[Dimonk]

A moot point. The fact that shasi on the basis of KAMAZ for the Shell is not a very successful option, I think the military themselves have understood.

[Den717]

Quote: DimonK

based on KAMAZ for Shell, not a very good option

It will become closely at KAMAZ, put on the BAZ, what is the problem. What is the advantage of MAZ? Just the Old Man once again wants to bargain silver.

[Dimonk]

May be. He is to blame for this, completely understandable motives as a business executive. The KAMAZ people did the same, only to a greater extent for getting money, without having experience in this area :( And they got a complex with a very high center of gravity: (((I think the same BAZ or MAZ would have done much better. But how you say, some knocked out silver pieces: (((

[Den717]

Quote: DimonK

I think the same BAZ or MAZ would have been much better

KAMAZ is quite suitable for object air defense. I think modernization with minimization of size is inevitable. For use in combat formations of the SV, I think the caterpillar base is more acceptable.

[Dimonk]

KAMAZ is just like a chassis, not really, again from the words of people who encountered chassis data in service, not everything is so good with import substitution: (((And about the tracked base, probably it would also have found its place.

[Den717]

Quote: DimonK

there is not so good with import substitution: (((

KAMAZ trucks operate throughout Russia, and are serviced no less successfully than MAZ trucks. What is there of an irreplaceable import, I just can’t imagine. The chassis is mastered both by industry and a technical support system. It is unlikely that there are insoluble problems on it. I worked as the head of the transport department, there were a lot of KAMAZ trucks with various overhead equipment. There were no particular problems. With MAZ-64229 there were many more.

[Dimonk]

I didn’t mean that it was directly bad, although there were enough problems with KamAZ, especially where our developed parts and spare parts are used, and not foreign ones. All this from the words of a person who was just involved in the repair of Kamaz trucks in the service center. Although now the latest truck tractors made according to the European standard seem to be praised. But it’s not that Kamaz is bad, but that the chassis was chosen poorly for the complex. Too high center of gravity, which has already been checked more than once :(

[MIG00001]

Quote: tzarput2019-01

Export ZRPK "Pantsir-S1M" taught to hit all types of UAVs
- except Israeli

Pak that Israel fell on broken shells

[voyaka uh]

Why? There was an excellent video from the GOS of the Kamikaze drone, where the Shell shoots rockets right at him. And on the neighboring attacking drone. Both times rockets flew by. Then the neighboring drone rammed the Shell, and the first shot the hit on the video.
Perhaps the software processing the radar readings has improved after these cases. Carapace missiles do not have their own GOS; accuracy depends only on the guiding radar of the complex.

[bulvas]

Quote: voyaka uh

Why? There was an excellent video from the GOS of the Kamikaze drone, where the Shell shoots rockets right at him. And on the neighboring attacking drone. Both times rockets flew by. Then the neighboring drone rammed the Shell, and the first shot the hit on the video.
Perhaps the software processing the radar readings has improved after these cases. Carapace missiles do not have their own GOS; accuracy depends only on the guiding radar of the complex.

Thanks for the science
It benefited the Shell

[voyaka uh]

This is a mutual thank you. During the Civil War in Syria, both Russia, Israel, and the States tested and improved a lot of the latest weapons there.

[lucul]

The armor missiles do not have their own GOS, accuracy depends only on the guiding radar complex.

Voooot. And to me, someone rubbed here that the stealth plane (F-22 / F-35) is invisible primarily for missiles (for this was done), and not for the radar)))

[voyaka uh]

Stealth is hardly noticeable both for radars of air defense systems and for radars on missile heads (if they are there). Missiles of the S-300/400 complexes have them, while the Shell has no. And it all depends on the distance, of course.

[SETSET]

voyaka uh, rejoice together with the Russians about the accuracy of the defeat of the Dagger complex - which is no more than 1 m against surface targets at a distance of 2000 km. You always deliberately, out of ignorance, wrote a lie! And the same accuracy and Zircon, and other hypersonic systems in Russia. Declared - the deviation does not exceed a meter, - writes military expert Alexei Leonkov in the Zvezda weekly. He noted that other Russian hypersonic systems also have the same accuracy, since the creation of guidance systems for them took place in broad cooperation between missile and electronic design bureaus and enterprises. Far from the United States, Israel, and NATO countries before!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: voyaka uh

The armor missiles do not have their own GOS, accuracy depends only on the guiding radar complex.

Yes, you can still do without the seeker (although I am "categorically FOR" ...) The "Pantsir" rocket has limitations in the correction of the flight trajectory due to the lack of an engine in the sustainer stage ... When firing at many (few) maneuvering targets, this does not have of special significance, but in the case of using energetically maneuvering "objects", the "situation" changes. There is a "way out", but who would do it?

[aristok]

It is wrong to combine ZAK and SAM.
It is better to separate them into different machines.
This will reduce weight, increase application flexibility and upgradeability.

[Streamil]

Well, yes, and it will increase the cost of production by at least 30% since you need 2 chassis, instead of one, the cost of maintenance, and the number of people, because there will be 2 calculations, instead of one, and taking into account everything, we will be able to have 60% percent less ZAK and SAM systems of this type

[aristok]

Quote: FreamiL

increase the cost of production by at least 30% since need 2 chassis, instead of one,

1 two light chassis will cost in the worst case, 2 times cheaper than one heavy, and most likely even cheaper - since the dependence is non-linear.
2. When removing cannon weapons from the Shell, while maintaining the current heavy chassis, the released mass can be used to increase the effectiveness of the missile and sighting component.
3. A separate cannon machine (for example, derivation) will be much more effective than Shell armor, and can be used in more combat missions.

[Streamil]

1. I do not agree on the cost, argue (give a specific model of the chassis and the cost of 2 of these compare with the cost of KAMAZ
2.How to use the released ton to increase efficiency? To put two antennas or to make a pipe longer? Unclear
3. Give an example of the difference between 2in1 and 2x separately .. as in more tasks, if there is a task of covering an object with a short-range complex, then it needs to be covered both from UAVs and from missiles and from everything

[aristok]

Quote: FreamiL

1. I do not agree on the cost, argue (give a specific model of the chassis and the cost of 2 of these compare with the cost of KAMAZ

Easily.
Kamaz 6x6 at 70% load capacity from Kamaz 8x8 costs 2 times cheaper.
The benefits are obvious.

[bulvas]

Quote: aristok

It is wrong to combine ZAK and SAM.
It is better to separate them into different machines.
This will reduce weight, increase application flexibility and upgradeability.

To put radars, control systems on each too?
2 crews instead of one?
and further - maintenance, storage, etc.

Will it make it cheaper?

Is it that it will increase the enemy’s ammunition consumption to destroy 2 installations instead of 1?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: aristok

Wrong to combine ZAK and SAM

very correct. A continuous lesion area is created, and one radar or ECO is also used. Creating two different machines is much more expensive, having two calculations, and then tying them together in application. It was already passed - a couple of Shilka-Osa

[AnderS]

Correct me if it’s wrong, but it seems to me that the car shown in the photographs has somehow decreased in height Apparently, in order to increase stability and prevent the possibility of turning over ... It's good that they are working in this direction.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: AnderS

the machine shown in the photographs, as it decreased in height

it seems to you))

[SHAMAN]

Mikhailov specified that this version of the Pantsir-S1M air defense missile system is intended for deliveries abroad.

Good thing, no words. I remembered how the Syrians soaked a Turkish F-16 from the "Pantsir", which had flown brazenly into the territorial waters of Syria! The pilot was never found, only the fuselage fragments are small ..
So huge demand goes to them and in Iran probably already exist ..)))))

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: SHAMAN

from the "Shell" the Syrians soaked the Turkish F-16, which flew insolently into the territorial waters of Syria

A small clarification, it was a reconnaissance F-4 "Phantom-2"

[KB-2]

It remains only to agree with Israeli colleagues on the full-scale testing of a new (or updated) complex. Somehow, they are best able to separate the verbal husk, which is tightly packed with various products of the domestic defense industry. What is most valuable - the test results are competently formatted in the form of constructive videos for further study and analysis. It will be interesting to see the new video on the test results.