How are trying to make money on the Katyn tragedy?

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How are trying to make money on the Katyn tragedy?On the website "Voennoye Obozreniye", the topic of Katyn sounded more than once. The facts of inconsistencies in those documents that at one time the Soviet leaders gave the order to publish in the media were cited. Research was carried out into the evidence of those distant events. The point was that the fact of the destruction of Polish officers near Smolensk by the NKVD fighters looks too controversial. These inconsistencies and inconsistencies grew like a snowball. The deeper the consideration historical documents, the less it became clear why it was so easy at one time politicians with the help of the media suggested that we believe that the Katyn execution of Polish officers was the work of the NKVD, which itself was guided by a direct directive of J.V. Stalin.

Mikhail Gorbachev literally trumpeted that the Soviet Union was guilty of the fact that thousands of Polish soldiers were killed in 40 near Smolensk. For the reasons that Gorbachev for the West in 80 — the beginning of 90 — was truly his own person, the thought of the atrocities of the Soviet special forces near Smolensk, and then with a certain amount of pragmatism, the framed facts began to turn around. in the absolute truth for our compatriots.

It’s no joke to say that the Russian presidents apologized to the Polish people for the Stalinist "crime" at Katyn.

The presidential apologies have become, in a way, a ritual of adherence to the ideals of democracy: the Russian president apologized for Katyn, which means that you can continue to press Russia further, ticking a statement called “400 relatively fair ways to democratize the Russian Federation”. And after all, our leaders stubbornly followed the same path that the first and only president of the USSR proposed in 90: repent, head bowed, not guided by original documents. And nobody decided to decide on a real independent investigation with the participation of several parties.

But the truth is that it’s true that sooner or later, whether certain forces want it or not, it will float to the surface even from the most turbid water. And she swam by all the laws of the genre. The most striking thing is that, unwittingly, the descendants of Polish officers who were shot at Katyn helped the birth of truth.

Recall that it seemed to the Poles that not only did the Russian leaders bring apologies for the “Stalinist terror” against the Poles with enviable regularity. Therefore, the descendants of the soldiers shot in 40-e decided to demand from Russia also the payment of a compensation amount in the amount of no less than 2 billion dollars, filed a lawsuit in the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

After this lawsuit, it seemed that the court would quickly take into account the documents submitted by the plaintiffs, would not particularly delve into the circumstances and render its accusatory verdict against the Russian Federation, obliging them to pay the amount indicated by the lawyers. However, it all happened completely differently. The ECHR decided not to use the “documentary evidence of the atrocities of the NKVD divisions”, but to conduct its own investigation, as far as it was possible after so many years since the tragedy in Smolensk forests. The investigation lasted several years. As a result, the European Court issued a decision that, to put it mildly, the plaintiffs were concerned. The judges ruled that:

a) the Katyn massacre is indeed a war crime (in principle, no one thought to argue with that);
b) no new motives for the resumption of the investigation by the Russian (this is important) side were found;
c) Russia is not obliged to pay the “fair monetary compensation” demanded by the claimants.


All these points obviously did not satisfy the Polish applicants, who tried to again apply for the protection of “their rights”, and if you call a spade a spade, then for another attempt to break the big prize from Russia. This can be confirmed by the fact that some of the plaintiffs were so distant relatives of the dead Polish officers that they could hardly survive their loss so heartily. But it is obvious that the money question worried them much more than the question of the memory of their ancestors, after all, the point with non-payment of compensation puzzled these people most of all.

In general, attempts have been exposed not only once again to blacken Russia, but also corny - to get money based on a lie overgrown with historic moss.

One of the most remarkable decisions of the European Court of Human Rights is item “b”, indicated in this article. If we analyze the phrase that the court did not find the motives for the Russian party to resume the investigation of the Katyn case, then it turns out that there is another side that could well begin to dot the i in the Katyn tragedy. Obviously, there is only one such side - this is Germany. If the Poles blame Russia for not declassifying documents on the Katyn massacre by all 100%, then there may be even more questions for Germany. There the secret archives of the Gestapo are kept under seven seals, led by the chief ideologists of the lie, which was to become part of a large propaganda machine. And this lie is quite consistent with the imposition of guilt for the shooting of the Poles near Smolensk on the Soviet authorities.

If we take into account that as soon as the ECHR would have obliged Russia to pay compensation to the Polish plaintiffs in the amount of 2 billion, Poland would have filed a lawsuit in the amount of 100 billion dollars (according to the journalistic investigations of Georgiy Filin, published in the newspaper Version). And immediately it becomes clear why the Polish side needed a new exaggeration of the Katyn case. Such a sum from Russia would clearly have inhaled vital energy into the Polish economy and the economy of the whole European Union. However, the ECHR turned out to be truly democratic and did not follow the lead of those who wanted to make a profitable business with the help of the Polish national tragedy. In such a situation, European judges should be applauded, because they have actually proven that the court can be truly independent even in a “democratic” Europe.

Now it is worth expecting whether the ECHR will continue to work in the same vein or whether “democratic sanctions” are waiting for it, because it issued a decision that is clearly not in line with Western policy towards Russia. Recently, we have already managed to get used to the fact that any decision of the West regarding our country is biased and predictable in advance. But exceptions, as it turned out, are.

It is obvious that the exaggeration of the Katyn tragedy, which today has turned into a kind of pr-action, will continue. In addition to the Polish side, there are still many hunters in this world dancing on their bones and again trampling the truth deeper into the land on which Smolensk forests stand. In this regard, Russia needs to bring the Katyn affair to a logical conclusion, putting at the end a bold end for those who can not understand the essence of the Katyn falsification by the Soviet leadership of the perestroika era. The essence of the juggling of the materials of the investigation fits into the norms of a great provocation against the unity and integrity of Russia, and this is no less a crime than Katyn itself.
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  1. +29
    27 June 2012 07: 39
    "Crimes" was admitted by Bullseye, so let the relatives of the Polish officers sue him and collect 2 billion dollars. bucks. with the Nobel Peace Prize, but will not pay it to prison ...
    1. Aleksey67
      +16
      27 June 2012 07: 42
      Hello, hello! A hole to them from a bagel, not Sharapova money for Katyn !!! wassat Logs are not as tricky and smart as Jews, and therefore Russia will not pay for the new Holocaust am
      But to review the price of gas, in the light of recent events would not hurt ... wink They buy from Russia 2 \ 3, gas consumed laughing So
      "the valve will spin, the valve will unscrew,
      and the zvizdets will immediately come true to the logs "
      (Apina to mine used to sing laughing )
      1. +17
        27 June 2012 08: 07
        Quote: Aleksey67
        Russia will not pay for the Holocaust

        Alex, hi! Well, so am I about the same thing, Brokeback admitted-Brokeback pays, (whose music is that and money) wassat ! And the fact that it’s time to put in place Lyakhov agree not only to 100 to 10000000000% drinks
      2. +7
        27 June 2012 10: 59
        I suggest that all the relatives of the dead pshek and those wishing to receive compensation be put on the TU-154 plane, and Gorbach should be put there. On the way, let him apologize to the relatives of the victims! Send the plane to the airport "Severny" ....
      3. V_oblomov
        +2
        28 June 2012 00: 40
        Quote: Aleksey67
        A hole to them from a donut, not Sharapova money for Katyn !!

        Well no, why not pay .. ??? And just $ 2 ...
        But ... How many Poles were killed (let's say the NKVD shot ..) ~~ 10 ?? And so 000 billion / 2 => 10 thousand $ / person. .....
        More ... United Europe (including Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Spain (blue division), France (these were the same), Czechs, and also with them ...) - well, like the EU, as now, attacked the USSR ...
        Killed Soviet citizens 27 million. ...
        Total: 27 million * 200 thousand $ / person => well, in short, in the 14th bit. calculus does not fit ... (and such black arithmetic has the right to be rightfully the same application of the law on compensation .....)
        Well, after proportions. divisions between all rep. USSR ... (depending on physical and mathematical damage ... Ukraine + Belarus will become the owners of the 2nd and 3rd gold-val. Reserves in the World ... (+ a large flow of gastrob. To them from Sweden ... Poland .. etc. etc.)
        1. +1
          28 June 2012 13: 45
          Total: 27 million * 200 thousand $ / person => well, in short, at 14 bits. calculator does not fit ... (

          5 $, almost a quarter of the US debt ... (as in that cartoon - "it won't be enough ...")what
          And not only for the Great Patriotic War, for every muck done in relation to our country.
    2. +12
      27 June 2012 08: 22
      Tersky:
      This tagged bastard got his mark for a reason! There haven’t been many such scoundrels in history ... More than once his deeds will come back to us ...
      1. +7
        27 June 2012 08: 47
        Quote: baron.nn
        This tagged bastard got his mark for a reason!

        But he did not receive a "black" mark from our top officials, they only hang orders for him, when he needs to be hung.
        1. +4
          27 June 2012 09: 15
          Tersky:
          Did you not notice that we have complete continuity of power? Yeltsin, to put it mildly, broke the wood, and Putin repeated many times that the continuity will be preserved ... I do not mention Medvedev. since he and Putin are practically united. And remember what honors were arranged at the funeral of the first Russian president ... Is it because the impoverishment of the people happened everywhere? For the fact that the extinction of the nation is taking full leaps and bounds, for the collapsed industry? It is customary for us to talk about the "departed" or speak well. or nothing. So it's better to keep silent about him!
        2. +2
          28 June 2012 12: 10
          You know who the unclean marks
    3. +6
      27 June 2012 08: 35
      Yes, let the humpback be hanged and the oath with him
      1. +7
        27 June 2012 08: 49
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, let the humpback be hanged and the oath with him

        Sasha, welcome! All this situevina with Gorbaty begets me, in no country in the world there is an analogue of such a madhouse.
        1. 0
          28 June 2012 15: 02
          Tersky,
          Hmm, there is no other name for it except as a madhouse, tens of thousands of people openly hate him and yet he lives quietly enough, he cannot understand Russia with his mind :)
      2. 0
        28 June 2012 02: 43
        You do not need to hang, it is better to drown. In his filthy life, so that he does at least one good deed, he feeds crayfish and fish (by himself).
        Sincerely.
      3. 0
        28 June 2012 03: 52
        Hanging it fast and too humane to a similar squirrel. Such honored people must be planted exclusively (Persian) in order to feel the depth of their actions, so to speak, and to fully enjoy the leisurely retreat to another world.
    4. Yarbay
      +5
      27 June 2012 10: 16
      Right, let Gorbachev pay!
      And not only to them, but to all citizens of the USSR for crimes and bullying !!
      1. 755962
        +7
        27 June 2012 11: 21
        When the money appeared, morality died. Fact. But to be objective, then in the case. My native Vologda Poles in 1600. They looted and burned. 80 people were killed, including the local archbishop with an 8-year-old son, who were thrown alive from the bell tower. They burned the Spaso-Prilutsky monastery and there were 69 monks, and more than 200 people were killed, looted the monastery property and burned the monastery archives. , defeated Belozersk, burned and plundered Ferapontovo. And they tortured Ivan Susanin along the way for poor knowledge of geography. They want an apology for us from Katyn, but they are not ready to apologize for 1612, when the Poles reached Vologda and tried to burn St. Sophia Cathedral.
        1612, September 22-25 - Vologda was captured and burned to the ground by one of the predatory detachments, consisting of Poles and Tushins. Killed a large number of local residents. Bishops' chambers, a guest yard, shopping arcades, city barns, 16 wooden churches, part of the city’s wooden walls and towers, as well as many residential buildings were burned. St. Sophia Cathedral was also affected [37].
        ... Polish and Lithuanian people and Cherkasy and Cossacks and Russian thieves came to Vologda an unknown drive and the city of Vologda was taken and all sorts of people were scolded and the churches of God were scolded and the city and towns were burned to the ground ... and now, gentlemen, the city of Vologda is a burnt place, fortified for there is no one to tidy up the shells and shell; and who Vologda residents ’residents do not dare to converge into the city ... And all, gentlemen, became hops, drank the governor of Vologda.
        - Archbishop of Vologda Sylvester. From the otpiski "state of Moscow to the boyars and governors." The year 1613. [54]
        1612, December 18 - another robber detachment under the command of Pan Golenevsky, Hetman Shelvodsky and Cossack chieftain Balovnya attacked the Vologda area. The Spaso-Prilutsky monastery was looted and burned, the surrounding villages and villages were ravaged
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%92%D
        0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B4%D1%8B
      2. +3
        27 June 2012 12: 27
        Quote: Yarbay
        And not only to them, but to all citizens of the USSR for crimes and bullying !!

        Alibek, welcome! For this, he must pay a completely different price, what he did not pay with any money, only life! With the immortalization of his name as Jude-2, the descendants of edification.
    5. Cadet787
      +6
      27 June 2012 11: 41
      Tersky.
      The fact is that the hunchbacked recognized Katyn history not on his own behalf, but on behalf of the state. But not one leader, not Soviet or Russian, did not remember the tragedy of eighty thousand Red Army men tortured to death in Polish concentration camps and disappeared without a trace during the Civil War, who will be responsible for this?
      1. +4
        27 June 2012 12: 33
        Quote: Cadet787
        The fact is that the hunchbacked recognized Katyn history not on his own behalf, but on behalf of the state.

        Georgy, welcome! The state is WE. I didn’t admit anything, just like you. I wouldn’t recognize the marked, long ago question of falsification of the Katyn "tragedy" would have been removed, and Russia would not have been dipped in a bucket of slops all this time ... As for the tragedy of the Red Army in Polish concentration camps , then my opinion is only one thing - Russia to file a counterclaim against Poland.
        1. Tyumen
          0
          27 June 2012 21: 03
          If I am not mistaken, Poland filed a lawsuit for the maintenance of Russian
          one and a half billion prisoners in camps, Yeltsin rolled out in response
          a lawsuit of six billion for the equivalent of their labor.
          Poles, not calmed down, asked for 4,5 billion for the Soviet
          occupation, Yeltsin invited them to pay 5 billion for
          liberation from fascism.
    6. Dmitry23RUS
      +3
      27 June 2012 11: 42
      Was it a tragedy, that’s the question.
  2. +13
    27 June 2012 07: 43
    How did you get these crappy dances in the forests of Katyn. How much can you endure the squeals of these Poles? Finally, when will our grief of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs reason these American little mongrels and Russia will roll out claims for genocide by the Poles of our most captives in 20-21 years?
    A conversation with limitrophs can only be on the principles of communication accessible to them, and the only thing that these Amer jackals understand is the language of the forged boot that strikes them in the ass.
    1. +2
      27 June 2012 08: 25
      Sakhalinets:
      These mongrels will not rest until the help from their "big brother" runs out ... But times are changing, maybe in our lifetime we will see what will become of them ...
    2. borisst64
      +6
      27 June 2012 09: 22
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      and Russia will roll out claims for genocide by Poles of the most imprisoned prisoners in 20-21


      And for the war of 1812, they were Bonaparte's first assistants, and fought against Russia!
      1. +4
        27 June 2012 09: 47
        borisst64:
        And in the 16-17th centuries, how many raids were made ... They will not pay ...
  3. +6
    27 June 2012 07: 45
    in the moment of truth, there was a report for kuyut - we don’t have to do anything - = Germans in 41 shot them and in 43 and dug up to scold * allies * and generally loot them to demand for every Soviet soldier who died during the liberation of Poland
  4. Odinplys
    +13
    27 June 2012 07: 52
    Mikhail Gorbachev literally trumpeted

    Well, to what extent you do not need to see everything Russian ... so that you would trample your country into the mud ... the Warsaw Pact buried ... destroyed the wall without taking at least written guarantees ... the USSR collapsed ...
    He undertook to answer for Katyn ... let him pay for his masters ... and not so long ago on one of the channels ... openly said ... that he always had plans for the collapse of the USSR ... as an evil empire ...
    Himself there would be in Katyn to bury standing ... and the stake aspen in the drive marked to drive in ... so as not to have slipped off even when ....
    1. +5
      27 June 2012 08: 02
      humpbacked with yakovlev from the filing of the usa muddied
    2. +4
      27 June 2012 08: 27
      OdinPlys:
      He himself is the personification of evil !!! How could such a monster even become the head of state?
  5. +2
    27 June 2012 07: 59
    The price of betrayal and forgery is to pay us. Non-clever confessions of our rulers from humpback to GDP give hope to our enemies to rob us and our children. Do not allow this.
    1. +3
      27 June 2012 08: 29
      apro:
      If Russia starts paying on these false accounts, then I will be the first to turn my back on the current government! But in my opinion they definitely do not agree with the Polish side.
  6. +3
    27 June 2012 08: 14
    Yes, the hunchback just introduced for the collapse of the USSR, and now some of his falsifiers are continuing to work, the time will come and we will find out how much it was, and the Poles hated all our lives and fought against Russia on the side of our enemies, even during the revolution, all revolutionary terrorists were Poles and how they joyfully blew up our representatives together with the population.
  7. +5
    27 June 2012 08: 21
    Poland, Poland ... The Commonwealth was once a proud warlike country with magnificent cavalry, which terrified enemies ... And what did this power turn into? The gasket between the West and the East !. Squealing about the spread of Polish officers ... But about the tortured Russian prisoners, who were captured in the 28th year after the Polish attack on the fragile young power, they do not want to remember ... They want to bring a lawsuit, but they’re about to seize Moscow in the 17th century don't want to answer? So at a slow speed you can reach the point that half of Asia to Mongolia will begin to bill for medieval conquests ...
  8. SIA
    SIA
    +3
    27 June 2012 08: 30
    Quarter reptile tagged.
    1. +4
      27 June 2012 08: 38
      SVV:
      Too simple ... To deprive him of all kinds of privileges and livelihoods! Let yourself try the life felt by millions of ordinary Russians!
      1. Tyumen
        +1
        27 June 2012 21: 09
        Quote: baron.nn
        Deprive him of his kind of all privileges and livelihoods!

        And where did you get so much cruelty from? SW just
        kind compared to you. )
  9. Rexei
    +2
    27 June 2012 08: 31
    Not only did they shoot our prisoners ... And let us make them apologize for each of hundreds or even thousands of centers of execution of our soldiers? tongue
    And I wonder: when will they finally think of filing a lawsuit against us for "unlawful executions of citizens of the countries that were part of the Triple Alliance" (namely, their soldiers)? laughing
  10. +2
    27 June 2012 09: 04
    The article is good. I agree with many commentators. I fundamentally believe that all this nonsense was invented by the Nazis and raised outward by traitors. There is one BUT. I would like a link to the decision of the ECHR. This is the only drawback of the article. Thanks to the author. The theme should live.
    1. 0
      28 June 2012 09: 26
      http://rapsinews.ru/international_publication/20120416/262768526.html
  11. AIvanA
    +3
    27 June 2012 09: 22
    After Gorbi, the first and last prezik of the USSR, the very notion of president, forgive me all, is associated with a Judas, who sells his people for 30 pieces of silver. And why don’t they score to the prisoners about the captive Red Army prisoners who were indisputably tortured by them, why all the pseudians ashamedly sprinkled ash on the Katyn tragedy, but these were Great Polish gentlemen, but several tens of thousands of Russians are just Russians. And the mussing is more like a mouse fuss of market type - who hasn’t cut the dough from the Russians yet.
  12. +1
    27 June 2012 09: 34
    Sew a button on their forehead in order to fasten their lips, otherwise they didn’t roll them out.
  13. +4
    27 June 2012 09: 35
    There are topics that have already set the teeth on edge. Katyn is one of them. Yes, they were taken prisoner. Yes, they did. Yes, the NKVD is a "terrible" organization. It only remains to recall that there was a war. That not everyone was shot in a row and this fact testifies to the ongoing investigative measures. It was just that then no one thought to "amnesty" those "psheks" who could be involved in actions against the USSR. The NKVD were far from stupid, and there were enough professionals among the KGB to deal with the "peaceful" Poles. Otherwise, let's bill the Tatars for the complete destruction of Kozelsk in the 13th century! Or the same Poles, for the complete destruction of the inhabitants of Smolensk! ABSURD! It's time to just send the Poles and close the topic!
    1. +2
      27 June 2012 11: 47
      But it seems to me that this is a well-planned, fascist provocation carried out in 41 years. But the hunchback did not conduct an investigation and immediately recognized the execution, to please the Europeans. Well, they gave him the Nobel Prize! As you know, the Nazis were masters of provocation. With this provocation, the Nazis killed two birds with one stone. First, they set the Poles to their side, and second, they justified their actions in the USSR during the war. Yes
  14. +1
    27 June 2012 09: 53
    Well then. At the moment, the points are above and with the help of the ECHR.
    I dare to suggest that a review of the case will probably take place, in which a decision positive for the Poles will be made. It is clear that the West did not like the justification of Russia, especially since the arrows for Katyn are thereby transferred to the EU locomotive, i.e., to Germany.
    Well, if that happens, I propose that Russia file a lawsuit against Poland for looting and damaging Russia in the Time of Troubles. There, the Kremlin was looted and the royal treasury was stolen, and much more. The same billions per hundred euros.
    One Ivan the Terrible library was worth what (the oldest and largest in Europe).
    Well, then also every Russian family will sue Germany for several trillion euros (the USSR, it’s kind of like it had indemnity, but there’s no family) and let it be.
    And the whole EU for a hundred years to be hunched over so that we could repay these debts
  15. +4
    27 June 2012 10: 28
    It’s strange why the Poles don’t issue invoices to Ukraine? After all, the "cheerful guys" from the UPA slaughtered Polish villages at the root. Prostitutes. angry
  16. toos_1799
    +5
    27 June 2012 11: 16
    The most interesting thing in the Katyn history is not what happened in the fall of the 41st (and not in the spring of 40), but what happened in the early 90's and continues to this day.
    I express my sincere respect to the author, but I must note that he is not quite right about the conclusions drawn. Unfortunately, Aleksey Volodin is not the first person to misinterpret not only the decision of the ECHR (I myself fell for Karaulov's Moment of Truth), but even the essence of the claim of Polish citizens. I do not want to tell the essence of the matter for a long time, I advise those who are interested to turn to the primary source - the notorious decision of the European Court of Human Rights) ... Many are trying to wishful thinking.
    But this is not what I wanted to say, but what I wanted to say. Indeed, the decision of the ECHR says "b) no new motives for the resumption of the investigation by the Russian (this is not unimportant) side have been found." Do you think this is in Russia's favor? Quite the opposite is true. It turns out at the site of the tragedy that really took place, including with the participation of the NKVD, at one time exactly 1803 bodies were discovered, of which only about 30 were identified as Polish officers who were captured by the Red Army in 1939. Where are the other twenty thousand? Our State Duma and the Presidents of the Russian Federation have already recognized the "FACT" of the shooting of precisely 22000 Polish officers (at the same time, there was no court decision in favor of this, there never will be; I recall the words of Lermontov. Who are the judges? ") But how do the numbers relate, why lie, and even against your country ?!
    Therefore, the Katyn affair should be continued, the excavations near Smolensk should be resumed (and they were not completed completely). Most likely, the new commission will establish what actually happened in the Katyn Forest. It should also establish the fact that, starting in 1990, Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev, the now-well-functioning former President of the USSR, Alexander Nikolayevich Yakovlev, a member of the Politburo who had already gone to another world (in this case, unfortunately), organized an unprecedented falsification of the Katyn case and in general the entire history of the USSR, using for this administrative resource, including the Main Military Prosecutor's Office.
    I would like to turn to Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev: let's build together a truly legal state, where the branches of government are independent from each other, and where only the court establishes guilt.
    Link to the details of the Katyn case in the context of world history as a whole:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK3fmBh4uzQ&feature=share
    (one remark: in the open encyclopedia, I discovered that the strength of the Second Rzeczpospolita, i.e., the Polish Republic, as of September 01.09.1939, 800, was taking into account incomplete mobilization of about 3,5 thousand people, but not XNUMX million, as the author says, - less than that of the Wehrmacht)
    and Russian in particular:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI-sEhX4ygQ&feature=related
    Both links refer to rather long videos, but to someone who has the patience to watch them to the end, it will become more or less clear
  17. +2
    27 June 2012 11: 28
    It is time for the Poles, ourselves, to present an invoice for our soldiers who died for the liberation of their country from the Nazis. And the Ukrainians, for torturing the Poles in the Middle Ages, the Ukrainian people. Then remember the war, the time of Minin and Pozharskov, the time of Napoleon and present them with the bill for the robberies of Moscow, our other cities and people. In this case, they will owe us even more. fool
  18. +3
    27 June 2012 11: 29
    Poles have long been rolling a barrel to Russia. As they are such noble gentlemen. And the Russian lapotniki built an empire. From them, only a knife in the back can be expected
  19. +1
    27 June 2012 11: 32
    interesting. Germany destroyed the Poles, but as always the Reds are to blame? Who benefits from this ??
  20. +1
    27 June 2012 11: 33
    And the humpback, this Mr. reformer who contributed to the collapse of the USSR, let him give his Nobel Prize to the Poles himself. Yes
  21. +1
    27 June 2012 11: 34
    Ordin-Nashchekin said the first democrat in Russia in the 17th century - the Poles were extremely unreliable and mean people.
  22. +2
    27 June 2012 11: 36
    Article +, the court ruling rejoiced - justice must prevail!
    I agree with the comments, but let's put aside emotions - justice must triumph on official level of leadership and the Duma of the Russian Federation, there is a precedent for this.
    Therefore, a commission in the Duma must be created, those "documents" must undergo an official examination in the appropriate Russian institutions, and the deputies must consider and make a decision to remove those fakes from the archive, and send them to the Prosecutor General's Office along with a proposal to initiate a criminal case to attract guilty to account. After that, the leadership of the Russian Federation must clearly and clearly declare (by decree, for example): the war is over, the results are not being discussed, thank you all!
    The Russian Federation, as the successor to the USSR, is the Winner and will not consider material and compensation claims based on the results of the Second World War and World War II. impudent fat point
    Sorry for the confusion, but somehow. winked
  23. -1
    27 June 2012 13: 05
    So, not everything is so bad with European democracy.
    The ECHR, as the last European instance of objectivity and impartiality, has not yet lost ground? And this cannot but rejoice.
    And JUDA itself would have long been burned with shame if our powerful people had a conscience and a civil position. And instead of hanging him with regalia, they would give a tough and fair assessment of his activities.
  24. +3
    27 June 2012 13: 13
    Katyn. Now this word, along with the word "holocaust", has become synonymous with the word "speculation".
  25. alexanderv
    0
    27 June 2012 13: 22
    ECtHR Now this abbreviation has sounded for me in a new way. smile
  26. loc.bejenari
    +4
    27 June 2012 15: 50
    Well, it's time to answer the Poles for Susanin
    I suggest that from the team of fans of Russia mothers file a class action lawsuit against Poland as the legal successor of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to compensate for the Polish army’s stay in the Kremlin in 1612 and for all the chairs and broken dishes that they broke
    50 billion I think just right will be
    and for Susanin we will demand another 30 million
    and for the damage caused by the crash of the Tu154 aircraft with insidious pshkami on board, you also need to rip off 50 million to restore the environment
    and the most important thing
    for the unauthorized burial of Polish prisoners of war without permission from the authorities in the Smolensk region (everyone agrees with me here - if the NKVD didn’t break them, there’s no permission to bury)
    and causing especially cynical damage to the ecology of Russia, mother must be billed 100 billion
    let the damned psheks cry
    here is a worthy answer to their liberalist fabrications
  27. +1
    27 June 2012 17: 18
    http://intellect-video.com/2152/Katynskaya-podlost-I-III-serii-online/ Смотрите этот фильм,как раз эта тема.Тут все разложено по полкам.
  28. SlavakharitonoV
    0
    27 June 2012 17: 39
    Nothing will come of the master's venture. am
    Do they remember 1919? Although yes, why should the civilized part of the world community recall how the Russians were slaughtered ... feel
  29. SlavakharitonoV
    +2
    27 June 2012 17: 40
    Nothing will come of the master's venture. am
    Do they remember 1919? Although yes, why "" "" "" civilized "" "" "
    "" part of the world community to remember how Russians were slaughtered ... feel
  30. 0
    27 June 2012 18: 54
    it is necessary to apply to the ECHR for the Poles for the 1612th year.
  31. Roman 3671
    +1
    27 June 2012 19: 42
    It is time to demand that Poland repent of the killing, torture and death by starvation of more than 200 thousand Russian prisoners from 1918 to 1925, as well as paying compensation and erecting a monument to the victims of the genocide of the Polish side. And then they yell about our guilt, but about Poland they are bashfully silent about how they trained their lancers at a chopping strike on Russian prisoners ....
    1. SIA
      SIA
      +1
      27 June 2012 19: 46
      Do you think they will go for it? Yes, I would have forced them to admit it under execution.
  32. Roman 3671
    +2
    27 June 2012 21: 06
    Of course, they even filmed a movie, how they treated the Russian prisoners carefully and touchingly, fed them like their own soldiers, only 25 thousand (according to Polish estimates) died, but exclusively by their own death from the "Spanish flu" and other diseases, and the Poles Well, nothing to do with it. By the way, it turns out in these camps were both "red" and "white".
    The film is called "What Dead Prisoners Can Do", link http://partizzan1941.ucoz.ru/load/chto_mogut_mertvye_plennye/3-1-0-10982. Moreover, the Poles consider this a far-fetched problem, political speculation, specially created to divert their eyes from Katyn.
    From the report of the chairman of the Russian-Ukrainian delegation of the Mixed Soviet-Polish Commission on Prisoners of War, Refugees and Hostages E. Aboltin, prepared in February 1923: were considered as unarmed soldiers of the enemy, but as disenfranchised slaves ... Food was issued unfit for consumption and below any living wage. When a prisoner of war was captured, they took off all wearable uniforms, and the prisoners of war very often remained in the same underwear, in which they lived behind the camp wire ... the Poles treated them not as people of equal race, but as slaves. Beatings of prisoners of war were practiced at every step. " There is also a mention of attracting these unfortunates to work that humiliates human dignity: instead of horses, people were harnessed to carts, plows, harrows, sewage carts. "
    According to the order of counting prisoners of war adopted in the Polish army in 1920, not only those who were actually taken to the camps were taken prisoners, but also those who were left wounded without help on the battlefield or shot on the spot. Therefore, many of the "disappeared" tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers were killed long before being detained in concentration camps. In general, the prisoners were destroyed in two main ways: 1) with executions and massacres and 2) with the creation of intolerable conditions.
    Well, here's how the shot lords in confederates treated the prisoners: "... the chief of staff of General Listovsky with the characteristic surname Grobitsky ... boasted about how the Red Army soldier's stomach was ripped open in his officers' company, a live cat was sewn into it and bet was on who was the first will die - a Bolshevik or a cat. Moreover, such excesses were of a mass character. Wouldn't it be blasphemous not to condemn and not shoot such a "military officer" as Pan Grobitsky. It is precisely such distinguished representatives of the "officer elite" who ended up in our hands in 1939, shot in Medny. "
  33. Tyumen
    +1
    27 June 2012 21: 14
    Guys, in the Polish forums there’s the same debate,
    and believe me, similar. Not everyone stuck there.
  34. Roman 3671
    +1
    27 June 2012 21: 33
    The Polish political elite, like the overwhelming majority of the intelligentsia, loves to “savor” the sins of Stalin’s “bloody regime”. But he does not like to remember his gift - a significant increment of the territory of the Polish state on the western border.

    21 April 1945, Warsaw received a third of the current territory of Poland. This day in Poland was deliberately forgotten.

    December 31 The Provisional Government of Poland created on the basis of the Polish National Liberation Committee (CPO) appealed to Moscow with a proposal to compensate Polish territorial losses. In September, the USSR annexed Western Belarus and Western Ukraine to September 1944. The Provisional Polish Government proposed the inclusion of the territories of Silesia and Pomerania (the Baltic coast) that belonged to Germany but had a Slavic past. In Moscow, this proposal was supported.
    Moscow offered to give Warsaw the Baltic coast - part of East Prussia and Pomerania with the city of Gdansk (Danzig).

    The USSR did not wait for the “blessing” of London and Washington and, taking advantage of the fact that these territories were already under its control, gave the Poles control over German territories in Pomerania and Silesia with an area of ​​100 thousand square kilometers.

    At the Potsdam Conference (from July 17 to August 2 1945), Stalin’s proposals on Poland were approved. According to German economists, this was a big blow to Germany for the post-war period, the Polish budget received more than 130 billion dollars from deposits in these areas alone, which is about twice as much as all reparations and compensations paid by Germany in favor of Poland. Poland received deposits of stone and brown coal, copper ore, zinc and tin, which put it on a par with the world's largest miners of these natural resources.

    Even more important was the receipt of the Warsaw coast of the Baltic Sea. If in the year 1939 Poland had the 71 km of the sea coast, after Potsdam it was the 526 km. They helped Poland and the national minority, the Germans were simply evicted (approximately 4 million people).

    Poles and Poland owe all these riches personally to Stalin, the USSR and, as its successor, to the Russian Federation. And if you begin to review the results of World War II, then the Poles should return Germany a third of their territory.
    1. Tyumen
      0
      27 June 2012 22: 17
      Quote: Novel 3671
      This was a big blow for Germany, according to German economists ...

      And how did German economists evaluate Buchenwald?
  35. seminyako
    0
    27 June 2012 23: 21
    If the Poles were shot by the guys from the NKVD, then they did a good job.
    1. Morani
      0
      28 June 2012 22: 53
      the guys from the NKVD did a "good job" for all the nationalities of the former USSR.
  36. mind1954
    0
    28 June 2012 04: 49
    This was written in response to events:

    The event is certainly tragic, but, apparently, "GOD" has patience
    burst - must someone stop this "Fascist Shabash"
    in Katyn !!! And he left the second alive to remind
    to the "devout" Poles that GOD DOES NOT LOVE Fascists, even if they
    POLISH !!!

    Now you can really assume what was in the pilot’s head
    when approaching. And before his eyes was his fate
    the former 1st pilot, in whom he was the 2nd. When he refused
    due to weather conditions, in 2008, got into Tbilisi and tore off
    participation of the owners in the fascist sabbath against the Russian Federation. He was poured mud
    kicked out, i.e. sacrificed to the political environment,
    and then, quietly, they apologized, said they figured it out, and even
    awarded, but not returned!
    Yes, before that I sat down the Yak-40 with staff!

    THIS IS SO EVERYTHING RETURNS!
  37. serge
    0
    28 June 2012 09: 04
    In 1945, the Germans did not just evict the Germans. The Poles (as well as the Germans, you can put an equal sign between them here to a large extent) had a lot of experience in genociding the enemy, starting with our Red Army soldiers who were destroyed in concentration camps. The ban on the Russian and Belarusian languages ​​in the territories occupied by Poland after the civil war in Russia also speaks volumes.
    “Already in the winter of 1945, expecting the imminent arrival of Soviet troops, the Germans living in Poland moved westward, and the local Polish population began mass violence against refugees. In the spring of 1945, entire Polish villages specialized in robbing fleeing Germans; men were killed and women were raped.
    Already on February 5, 1945, the Prime Minister of the interim government of Poland, Boleslav Bierut, issued a decree on transferring the former German territories east of the Oder-Neisse line under Polish control, which was an open claim to the reorganization of borders after the end of the war.
    On May 2, 1945, Bierut signed a new decree according to which all property thrown by the Germans automatically passed into the hands of the Polish state, thus it was supposed to facilitate the process of moving the population to the west of the country from eastern territories, which partially departed to the Soviet Union.
    In parallel, the Polish authorities persecuted the remaining German population on the model of those practiced in Nazi Germany against Jews (!). So, in many cities, ethnic Germans were required to wear decals on their clothes, most often a white bandage on their sleeves, sometimes with a swastika. Attaching identification marks to the Germans, however, the matter was not limited.
    By the summer of 1945, the Polish authorities began to drive the remaining German population into concentration camps, usually designed for 35 thousand people. Only adults were sent to the camps, while children were taken away (!) From their parents and transferred either to shelters or to Polish families, in any case, their further education was carried out in the spirit of absolute polonization. Adults were used in forced labor, and in the winter of 1945/1946, deaths in the camps reached 50%.
    The exploitation of the interned German population was actively carried out until the autumn of 1946, when the Polish government decided to begin the deportation of the surviving Germans. On September 13, a decree was signed on "the separation of persons of German nationality from the Polish people." However, the continued operation of the concentration camp prisoners remained an important component of the Polish economy, and the deportation of the Germans was all postponed, despite the decree. Violence against German prisoners continued in the camps. So, in the camp of Potulice between 1947 and 1949, half of the prisoners died from hunger, cold, illness and bullying by the guards.
    The final deportation of Germans from Poland began only after 1949. According to the Union of Exiled Germans, the loss of the German population during the expulsion from Poland amounted to about 3 million people. "
    In general, the Poles finished off the Germans defeated by the Russians. Civilian population. Jackals, you can’t say otherwise. The real genocide. So whose cow would mumble, and the Polish one would be silent.
    1. Morani
      -1
      28 June 2012 22: 49
      Quote: serge
      The ban on the Russian and Belarusian languages ​​in the territories occupied by Poland after the civil war in Russia also speaks volumes.

      You cross the border near Brest, drive along Polish roads and see the name of the settlement in Polish and Belarusian. Many Belarusians live there. In the BSSR there are no plates in Polish. In Poland, I talked with the Poles who after the war moved to German territories (mainly the Poles who moved from Belarus and Ukraine occupied these territories). They said that the Germans loaded their belongings, got on carts and went with songs over the river.
  38. passmel41
    0
    28 June 2012 10: 42
    Today, one third of Russians do not trust the president and the prime minister. And they’re doing it right.
    Just look: ydn. * Ru / q6 (copy the link without *) - a service that was made by the ministry with their support.
    Here is information about each resident of the Russian Federation, anyone can find detailed information about another person.
    And people don’t even suspect about it.
  39. arfvsdgd
    +1
    28 June 2012 15: 00
    It's always easier to blame Russians
  40. 0
    29 June 2012 03: 07
    I already wrote my opinion about Katyn, I will write again, if people do not calm down ...
    in short, I believe in this option more:
    The major of the Austro-Hungarian army Jozef Pilsudski decided to revive the great Poland from the Baltic to the Black Sea. The dictator agreed with a fugitive seminarian Semyon Petlyura, Poland took the land to the Dnieper with Kiev, the Central Council of the east coast to the Caucasus and the Caspian. Having received weapons from the Entente, the aggressors attacked Soviet Russia and captured Kiev on May 6, 1920. However, dreams crashed, failed to wash their boots in the Black Sea, in late July, the Red Army was in the suburbs of Warsaw. Dzerzhinsky, Dubrovinsky, Belostotsky and other Leninist guards insisted on an immediate assault on the city, guaranteeing the support of the Polish proletariat. Alas, the illusions turned out to be impossible; the army was surrounded and defeated. The lucky ones managed to escape to Germany, and fifty thousand prisoners disappeared without a trace. More or less reliable information has been preserved only about twenty-five thousand who were brutally tortured or executed. Having occupied Poland, the Germans handed over to the Soviet Union all the Polish officers who were awarded the order for the defeat of the Red Army near Warsaw. After the completion of the investigative actions, four thousand of them were shot. For 1940, this is retribution; today it is the killing of innocents.
    This is my IMHO ...
  41. Ruslan
    0
    29 June 2012 08: 33
    I believe that we have nothing to apologize to, neither to the Poles, nor to the Balts, nor to the Finns. I believe that it is time to apply a tough policy to these nonsense-nationalists.
  42. ss_18
    0
    29 June 2012 14: 13
    yes ... 88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888
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