The second carrier "Poseidon" will be launched next year

The Khabarovsk nuclear submarine, being built as the second full-time carrier of the Poseidon unmanned submarines, will be launched in the spring of 2020, and it is planned to transfer it to the customer in 2022. It is reported by TASS, citing a source in the military-industrial complex.

According to the agency interlocutor, the second regular carrier "Poseidon" - the submarine "Khabarovsk" of the 09851 project - is planned to be launched in the spring of 2020, and to complete the test cycle and transfer to the Russian Navy submarine - in 2022. The submarine will be the carrier of six uninhabited Poseidon underwater vehicles.

It is known that the nuclear submarine Khabarovsk was developed at the Rubin St. Petersburg Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering and was launched in 2014. The technical data of the submarine is unknown, as well as the first carrier of the Poseidon - the nuclear submarine Belgorod, launched on April 23 this year. Belgorod plan to transfer the fleet at the end of next year.

Underwater strategic drone "Poseidon" is designed to destroy various targets, including aircraft carrier groups and coastal fortifications. The device is equipped with a nuclear power plant. It is able to dive to a depth of more than 1 km and has an unlimited range. It can be armed with a 2 kiloton nuclear warhead.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation plans to adopt up to 32 Poseidons, creating four underwater carriers for them and placing two submarines with drones on two fleets - Northern and Pacific.

Comments

[MoJloT]

More nuclear clubs, scary and different ...

[bessmertniy]

And medals for the city of Washington! Also more!

[RUSS]

Quote: MoJloT

More nuclear clubs, scary and different ...

Quote: bessmertniy

And medals for the city of Washington! Also more!

Leavened patriots calm down

[RUSS]

Quote: bessmertniy

And medals for the city of Washington! Also more!

Are you one of those who sticks "can repeat" stickers on cars?

[Siberia 75]

It can be armed with a 2 kiloton nuclear warhead.

Two megatons. And this is the very minimum. The meaning of Poseidons begins with 5-6 megatons

[PROXOR]

Something ours is in a hurry. Not good.

[PROXOR]

Let me explain my post: consider there are no multipurpose boats, but there are more and more different strategists.

[Mikhail Perov]

Quote: PROXOR

Let me explain my post: consider there are no multipurpose boats, but there are more and more different strategists.

- This strategist is doing any NATO boat!

[GRIGORIY76]

How, with what?

[Brylevsky]

With the help of Mikhail Perov, of course. What else, if not them?

[hrych]

In addition to strategic functions, Poseidon also has a tactical specialization, where not tsunamis and cobalt, but defeat of enemy formations, naval bases and the fight against submarines. For this, a two-megaton charge is extremely powerful for tactical tasks, but not enough for geo-weapons. Also, naturally, these boats will carry Caliber, including rocket torpedoes, Physicist, etc. But here the line of attack is important. If Sivulf and Virginia have the farthest torpedo hits several tens of kilometers, i.e. significantly closer than the ability to detect sonars, i.e. discovered and need to get closer to the target, go to the range of the torpedo. So Poseidon has no concept - range limitation. At the limit of the sonar range, the detected enemy submarine is immediately attacked and there is no chance to leave due to the technical characteristics and the radius of destruction of a powerful thermonuclear charge. In a duel, the enemy has no chance, even if their sonar is more perfect and their boat has better performance characteristics. Previously, our boats were given the chance to win the Waterfall (up to 50 km range) and Wind (up to 100 km range), in range and speed of hitting the target. Now there are modifications of the Caliber with a depth bomb and a minitorpeda. Those. and without Poseidon there is something to meet the guests.

[lis-ik]

Quote: GRIGORIY76

How, with what?

With the help of statements and promises. How else?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Mikhail Perov

this strategist is doing any NATO boat!

how? ... how will he go out to sea without the forces of PLO?

[Vadim237]

It just takes and comes out - it can be detected, but there will be nothing to intercept, the latest modifications, the MK 48, Mk 50 and 54 did not show anything sensible in terms of interception, and the Americans turned off the anti-torpedo protection program for aircraft carriers.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mikhail Perov

- This strategist is doing any NATO boat!

We turn on our brains and ask ourselves how the Poseidon’s carrier will devote to a multi-purpose trader, which is imprisoned for the hunt of its own kind? Without covering our multi-purpose workers, without anti-aircraft defense forces and so on ... will NATO repel and heat NATO?
Here, many simply don’t understand or forget that Poseidon with YaBCh is a doomsday weapon. And if it is used, then after that there will be an exchange of nuclear strikes, and then the Arctic fur animal will cheerfully and fervently wave its paw to everyone.
We need to build surface ships of the ocean zone, frigates, destroyers, cruisers, so that our strategists have a cover. We need multipurpose submarines, and in the amount of not 7 pieces, but at least 15-20.

[maximum 8]

In your opinion, the Poseidon carriers of the largest submarines in size will not find a place for self-defense weapons, although the strategists of the Northwind class have the same torpedoes?

The latest electric torpedo, which will be equipped with promising nuclear submarines, is undergoing state tests, it is planned to transfer the finished sample to the Navy over the next year, Igor Krylov, Director General of the Region State Scientific-Production Enterprise (GNPP), told Interfax. .

"GNPP" Region "is engaged in various weapons for submarines. In our opinion, one of the promising areas is the creation of a heavy electric torpedo, the development of which is being completed. Now it is undergoing state tests, and we hope that in the coming year the Navy will receive a finished model as a combat unit, ”I. Krylov said.

So he answered the question about what promising torpedo weapons the “Region” creates for the new generation of strategic submarines.

The general director also hopes that the Pack-NK complex will also be in service with the latest submarines of the Russian Navy, “which is also good because it has anti-torpedoes in its composition.”

http://in24.org/technology/36233

[NEXUS]

Quote: maximum 8

In your opinion, the Poseidon carriers of the largest submarines in size will not find a place for self-defense weapons, although the strategists of the Northwind class have the same torpedoes?

The SSBN of course has a weapon of defense, only the strategist’s main and most important task is to get to the line of the ICBM salvo at the right time and use its main caliber. Can they deal with the adversary’s multi-purpose ones, but what for? In this case, there is a high probability that they may not fulfill their main task. It is for this purpose that they build multipurpose submarines in order to cover up their strategists and hunt for enemy strategists. To do this, they are sharpening multipurpose submarines that are more suitable for fighting with their kind.

[maximum 8]

I agree with all of the above, but we have what we have, and based on these realities, are arming strategists to deal with the multi-purpose opponents of a potential adversary. But Borei-A, because of the cardinal differences from Borea, became much more inconspicuous and more similar in its driving performance on the multi-purpose.

Strategic nuclear missile carriers of the project 955 Borey received a new look. The first updated boat was Prince Vladimir, whose tests are now drawing to a close. According to Izvestia sources in the military department, the superstructure was redone on the nuclear submarine, the contours of the nose end became more streamlined, but most importantly, the “hump” of the missile launch platform disappeared. Such changes improve the driving performance of "Prince Vladimir", as well as increase its noiselessness when moving under water. It is possible that the transformation of the project 955 boats will continue.

There is also a link infographics with the appearance of Borea-A.
https://iz.ru/876406/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/teper-negorbatyi-atomnye-raketonostcy-meniaiut-vneshnii-vid-radi-skorosti-i-besshumnosti

[Vadim237]

In general, Poseidon, as a component of the nuclear triad, will be used simultaneously with strategic cruise missiles and ICBMs. And to combat the enemy’s submarines, Poseidon’s carriers will be armed with anti-submarine and anti-torpedoes, as well as anti-submarine sonar and echo sounder kits.

[Kochegarkin]

Of course, I understand little in naval humor ("with gas" and "without gas") ... but for me (the Strategic Missile Forces) it is necessary to fight subtly .... zhahnul once ... as in a joke - "sprinkle it with chalk, the club is not the most accurate instrument "...

[Vadim237]

By the year 25, all Ash-trees will be completed and all 971 and 949 will be modernized and repaired, and ten more diesel Varshavyanks will be made.

[VSrostagro]

By the year 25, all Ash-trees will be completed and all 971 and 949 will be modernized and repaired, and ten more diesel Varshavyanks will be made.

"All" is not very many (units, not tens).
"they will do" is also relatively ... maybe by 25, maybe before 30 will not be in time.
And where did you dig up 10 Varshavyanka?
6 for Pacific Fleet, and 4 more?

[Vadim237]

As part of the MO program until the year 27, the purchase of ships and submarines will continue.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Vadim237

By the year 25, all Ash-trees will be completed and all 971 and 949 will be modernized and repaired, and ten more diesel Varshavyanks will be made.

Well, well ..... who promised you this? ... and by the way, promising does not mean wives ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: Vadim237

By the year 25, all Ash-trees will be completed and all 971 and 949 will be modernized and repaired, and ten more diesel Varshavyanks will be made.

And in the year 24 at the promise, the term seems to be over? And who will threaten there?

[Vadim237]

You do not forget that all new ships and apl - in Russia, in fact, they are building from scratch, equipment is new, materials are new, electronics is new and all in the same spirit.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Vadim237

You do not forget that all new ships and apl - in Russia, in fact, they are building from scratch, equipment is new, materials are new, electronics is new and all in the same spirit.

Of course. Especially Varshavyanka, and the rest are also still Soviet projects. I wonder what will happen a little further?

[Vadim237]

Varshavyanka is also new - project 636.3, the old 877, the new ones started in 2010. Soviet - have already passed.

[lis-ik]

Quote: PROXOR

Let me explain my post: consider there are no multipurpose boats, but there are more and more different strategists.

This is not even a strategist, but a PR campaign.

[Lord of the Sith]

Or they announce intentions - this is also politics.

[Siberia 75]

Quote: PROXOR

Something ours is in a hurry. Not good.

In my opinion, very good

[RUSS]

Quote: PROXOR

Something ours is in a hurry. Not good.

On the contrary, the rearmament is slowed down and not everything is done as planned, half the deadlines have been shifted.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Dreams come true. Good "cartoons" for "partners".

[RUSS]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Dreams Come True

At Gazprom.

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Good "cartoons" for "partners"

We have the best cartoons since Soviet times

[GKS 2111]

"According to the interlocutor"
"Belgorod is planned to be transferred to the fleet"
We will not draw conclusions from the asses of our interlocutors. As will be transferred to the naval, then we will rejoice.

[Beregovic_1]

2 years is a real term. A year for construction and a year for testing. If Poseidon is not finished, it will shift to the right .... And so it’s quite optimistic

[GRIGORIY76]

It can be armed with a 2 kiloton nuclear warhead. 

Just? Maybe 2 megatons?

[Operator]

The twin-screw "roaring cows" of the Antey project have low stealth, therefore it is completely justified to use their modified versions as carriers of various uninhabited underwater vehicles - in peacetime, of course.

In the future, as the only project of Russian nuclear submarines, a multifunctional 1000-ton single-hull Laika is planned with Zircon hypersonic cruise missiles and Shkval supercavitating torpedoes, a nuclear power plant of the same type as the Poseidon NPA (fast reactor with a lead coolant of the primary circuit, 10 MW electric power, full electric propulsion at low speed), large-diameter water-jet propulsion unit with variable thrust vector, 20 crew members.

[antique]

Quote: Operator

In the future, as the only project of Russian nuclear submarines, it is planned to have a multifunctional 1000-ton single-hull Laika with hypersonic cruise missiles Zircon and supercavitating torpedoes Shkval.

I wonder how much Zirconov can fit in Laika? Zircon warhead approximately 400 kg. This means that the entire rocket is at least 1 ton. Plus a container, related equipment. Displacement exactly 1000 tons?

[Operator]

The German diesel-electric submarines of the IX-C / 40 project had an underwater displacement of 1257 tons, dimensions of the spindle-shaped steel hull 6,76х76,7 meters, power of 3,3 MW diesel engines, travel speed under 18 units diesel engines, torpedoes 48 crew, torpedoes 6 torpedoes and 22 torpedoes

The Laika nuclear submarine with an underwater displacement of 1000 tons, the dimensions of a cigar-shaped titanium hull of 6x50 meters, a nuclear power plant with an electric power of 10 MW, a speed of 35 knots, a crew of 10 people and 4 torpedo tubes will have the same ammunition of 22 Shkval torpedoes and Zircon missiles "(launched from torpedo tubes).

"Shkval" has a weight of 2,7 tons and dimensions of 533x8200 mm, which corresponds to the weight and overall characteristics of the "Zircon".

[VSrostagro]

In 1000 tons your fantasies will not fit ...

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Operator

Twin-screw "roaring cows" project "Antey"

would you like to teach a piece of it .... what kind of boats did the Americans call by that name! - project 675 !!!

[Operator]

You have a mess in your head - Americans call roaring cow all twin-propelled submarines regardless of the project and nationality.

[maximum 8]

By the way, according to Shkval. A product is being prepared which must surpass it.

For the Russian Navy, the latest weapons complex with a high-speed submarine missile is currently being created. Its development is carried out by employees of the State Research and Production Enterprise Region, said Igor Krylov, CEO of the corporation.

In an interview with Interfax, Krylov said that the developers are faced with the task of creating a rocket capable of developing speeds under water above 100 m / s (375 km / h).

“Nobody in the world so far has been able to create a combat vehicle that could move under water at a speed of 100 meters per second. Our task is to make an even more perfect underwater rocket, ”he explained.

At the same time, Krylov recalled the Shkval rocket created by the Region, which, unlike its foreign counterparts, is capable of reaching a speed of 100 meters per second under water, and this record has not been broken by anyone to this day.

http://in24.org/technology/36235

[Operator]

Super squashy torpedo M-5 "Flurry":
adoption - 1977 year
Developer - GNPP "Region"
case material - steel
body gas lubrication - gas generator
control - rejectable nasal cavitator
speed - 375 km / h
Weight - 2700 kg
dimensions - mm 533x8200
range - 13 km
stroke depth - 30 meters
maximum maneuvering angle - 20 degrees
warhead - thermonuclear power 150 kt and weight 210 kg
homing on target - absent
engine - jet straight-through
fuel - magnesium (fuel), outboard water (oxidizer)

Super squashy torpedo M-6 "Flurry":
development - in the framework of the LG for 2018-2025 years
Developer - GNPP "Region"
body material - composite
body gas lubrication - cavitator in the form of an annular projection in the head part of the body
control - thrust vector jet engine nozzle
speed - 375 km / h
Weight - 3000 kg
dimensions - mm 533x8200
range - 25 km
stroke depth - 800 meters
maximum maneuvering angle - 20 degrees
warhead - nuclear power 5 CT and weight 40 kg
homing on the target - using a SQUID superconducting magnetometer with a range of 5 km
engine - jet straight-through
fuel - aluminum (fuel), outboard water (oxidizer)

Somehow

[Shorik]

And what is Poseidon pointing at enemy ships or even ports?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Shorik

And what is Poseidon pointing at enemy ships or even ports?

skynet artificial intelligence!

[Vadim237]

According to the coordinates given in advance, the on-board computer, as well as the route of movement, is similar to the ships, but instead of the coordinates, a program with the noise of the propellers is introduced - the aircraft carrier, the destroyer BDK cruiser, etc.

[Operator]

Poseidon is aimed at coastal objects using a gravimeter using an electronic map of seabed gravity anomalies with an accuracy of 200 meters.

[knn54]

Everything seems to be fine, but
- the Yankes and Co. have so many "hunters" for the nuclear submarine that the carrier (taking into account the deplorable state of the submarine) will simply not be allowed to leave (without an "escort") outside the base.
- taking into account the autonomy capabilities of Poseidon (including a nuclear reactor) to carry out "delivery" by civilian ships and use (including) and as "time mines".
AND MOST IMPORTANT-Poseidon db weapons of a preemptive strike.

[Vadim237]

Let them take these underwater hunters from the start to the basing range - mine barriers will pass - in the event of a possible conflict, the entire Arctic Ocean will be dug with MSMMs and PMTs, and all airspace will be closed at least from Murmansk to Chukotka and up to the north pole in longitude .

[jonht]

Correct in the article, the Poseidons have 2 MEGATONS, 2 kilotons is a tactical, or even "bogus" value of the charge.

[Streamil]

Quote: PROXOR

Let me explain my post: consider there are no multipurpose boats, but there are more and more different strategists.

The deviation throughout the arms towards strategic weapons, because, the only thing that can hold back the FSA

[mik193]

Engaged in garbage again. The fleet needs modern nuclear low-noise multipurpose submarines, cheap enough for mass production. We need modern torpedo weapons, GPA, good acoustics, anti-torpedo protection. Well, I just don’t understand - what place do these leaders think ???

[Leonid Dymov]

I am an amateur in this topic and am familiar only with the tactics of military operations at the level of a motorcycle rifle battalion. This is not the first time an interesting discussion of specialists has been conducted here about the Poseidons. I read all the pros and cons and came to the conclusion that the Poseidons are peacetime weapons. If the 3rd world war begins, then the adversary will limit the capabilities of this very effective weapon to the maximum. It is unlikely that SSBNs will reach the "line of attack" (land terminology). The first volleys will immediately detect SSBNs, and the enemy will not allow all torpedo-drones to fire back. Poseidons, which are moving at maximum speed, will quickly be detected and destroyed.
"Poseidons" must move in peacetime at a minimum speed in order to lie down near the United States in the right place, but in case of war they will move at maximum speed to the target. Launchers can be not only on SSBNs, but also in Murmansk, Vladivostok, or a drone carrier can be a ship that is camouflaged as a commercial one. I think that Poseidons should be sold to countries that want to have sovereignty from NATO countries: China, North Korea, Iran. You can even sell Serbia so that it "put a pig" under the NATO countries that bombed Belgrade.

[Old26]

Quote: Mikhail Perov

Quote: PROXOR

Let me explain my post: consider there are no multipurpose boats, but there are more and more different strategists.

- This strategist is doing any NATO boat!

If he finds ....

Quote: GRIGORIY76

How, with what?

By the power of thought, of course, and the belief that this weapon has no analogues in the world ....

Quote: Tiksi-3

Quote: Mikhail Perov

this strategist is doing any NATO boat!

how? ... how will he go out to sea without the forces of PLO?

And why go out ... By the fact that he is devoting everyone and everything. Without even seeing them

Quote: maximum 8

In your opinion, the Poseidon carriers of the largest submarines in size will not find a place for self-defense weapons, although the strategists of the Northwind class have the same torpedoes?

You are either building a good multipurpose boat or a good strategic one. An attempt to cross them will lead to the creation of a mediocre boat.
Let's start with the fact that the entire bow end of the American submarine hunters is a solid antenna of the sonar complex, which is capable of fixing a target from a distance of XX km. The torpedoes are at an angle to the axis and by no means in the bow. The torpedo weapon of the same "Boreya" is located according to the classical Soviet scheme in the bow of the boat. In any case, the antenna field of our SAC is smaller than that of the American hunter boat. This means that the performance characteristics will be no better than that of the hunter (I do not write worse on purpose).
If you look at a submarine of the "Belgorod" type and possibly "Khabarovsk", then in the bow there will be placed not 6 TA of 533 mm caliber, but 6-8 2P39 launchers of at least 1,6 meters caliber.
Given that the area of ​​the "trunk" of the torpedo tube is 0,223 square meters. meters, and at the Poseidon launcher 2,01 sq. meter, you can calculate how much area in the bow of the same "Belgorod" or "Khabarovsk" these launchers will take away. And where to place TA, which will protect this boat themselves

On the right - a schematic layout of the Poseidon launcher on the Khabarovsk. And where is there a place for a full-fledged GAK? And when they talk about the GAK on the Poseidon it is generally a masterpiece. An antenna of the SAC with a diameter of 1,6 meters is something. And who will it detect and at what distance ???

Quote: maximum 8

By the way, according to Shkval. A product is being prepared which must surpass it.

For the Russian Navy, the latest weapons complex with a high-speed submarine missile is currently being created. Its development is carried out by employees of the State Research and Production Enterprise Region, said Igor Krylov, CEO of the corporation.

In an interview with Interfax, Krylov said that the developers are faced with the task of creating a rocket capable of developing speeds under water above 100 m / s (375 km / h).

“Nobody in the world so far has been able to create a combat vehicle that could move under water at a speed of 100 meters per second. Our task is to make an even more perfect underwater rocket, ”he explained.

At the same time, Krylov recalled the Shkval rocket created by the Region, which, unlike its foreign counterparts, is capable of reaching a speed of 100 meters per second under water, and this record has not been broken by anyone to this day.

http://in24.org/technology/36235

If in order for this submarine missile to break the speed record and become the fastest torpedo missile that has no analogs in the world, this is easy. That's just what it will give the boat. "Shkval" had a range of about fifteen kilometers. Bala uncontrollable - for deaf. The roar was such that it jammed its own sonar. And here they want to do almost twice as fast. And how far will this miracle "fly"? at a distance of 5 km ???

Quote: Vadim237

According to previously entered coordinates in the on-board computer

Any ANN has such a minus as the accumulation of errors. The ANN should then compare its coordinates with the coordinates of the ZhPS / GLONASS and work out the error. Coordinates can be entered even Alpha Centauri, but how to compare later, if you are at a depth of 1 km ???

Quote: Vadim237

Let them take these underwater hunters from the start to the basing range - mine barriers will pass - in the event of a possible conflict, the entire Arctic Ocean will be dug with MSMMs and PMTs, and all airspace will be closed at least from Murmansk to Chukotka and up to the north pole in longitude .

Are there so many of them? The same MShMshek and PTMshek? And is there something to sow the whole ocean with? Probably you have a top-secret submarine in your zashashnik mine-trap that takes all the BK of this weapon at once? Here are just hats do not need to throw. Or do depths mean nothing for MBM and PTM? By their directive they were allowed not to pay attention to this ???
Close all airspace from Murmansk to Chukotka - and this is about 6000 km - this is not even science fiction. And do not talk about the super-lacking analogue of the world complex S-500 or S-600. And by the way,

Quote: Vadim237

and down to the north pole in longitude.

Maybe it’s better for you, Vadim, to update your knowledge of the school geography textbook. To the North Pole - this is not in longitude, but in latitude ...

[Operator]

Quote: Old26

at the Poseidon launcher 2,01 sq. meter

The Poseidon seats on the Belgorod and Khabarovsk are located on-board at the site of the dismantled Granit missile launchers in the free space between the light and strong hulls of the Antey project nuclear submarine, which is 2 x 1,75 m wide.

[Vadim237]

I think there are several hundred MSHM 2 and PTM 2 in service with the Northern Fleet - they can be put from supply ships - past the submarines, you can close the airspace from Murmansk to Chukotka with 10 S 400 divisions and MiG 31 interceptors, as well as Murmansk BM and the ships of the Northern Fleet have the same air defense, and soon over-the-horizon radars will be added to all this, and the next 12 years with the C 500.

[Vadim237]

And more work on new bottom reactive pop-up mines in Russia continues.

[Diana]

It can be armed with a 2 kiloton nuclear warhead

IMHO, they confused CT and MT. But before the Divan Troops of the Russian Federation announced by the "specialists of the General Staff" 100 mT is still far away.