APKR "Severodvinsk" handed over to the Navy with critical for combat effectiveness

Ships are built for guns.
Admiral A.A. Popov

In an interview with K. Drobot, Chief Designer of OAO GNNP Region the newspaper "Izvestia" 24.04.2019 was given evidence to support the author’s earlier assumptions about serious problems with the weapons complex of the newest nuclear submarine cruiser (APCR) “Severodvinsk” (project 885 “Ash”).

- Will a similar complex for submarines be created?
- Considering that the problem is solved on a surface ship, it can be solved for a submarine. But it’s too early to disclose the details.

"Cardboard Protection"

Apparently, Mr. Drobot should be reminded that:

October 19 1993 between the Ministry of Defense and OAO GNPP Region was signed a state contract No. XXUMX / 6 for the performance of the OCR code Lasta.
According to the statement of execution ... delivery of equipment BKASU "Okrug-L" to ensure SHI Order No. 160", Term - to 30.09.2010 g.

Decision of 04 February 2013 for the case No. А40-145774 / 2012 .

The 160 order is APKR “Severodvinsk” (885 “Ash” project).

The name of the theme “Flipper”, to create active anti-torpedo protection means (PTZ), has been known since the 90s. from the books of the admiral fleet Captain.

Conclusion from the materials of the arbitration case: the 885 project was supposed to have anti-torpedo ammunition. Technically, at the time of 2013-2011. it was absolutely real.

The acceptance act of the AICR “Severodvinsk” was signed on December 30 2013, with the complicity of the then commander-in-chief of the Navy V. V. Chirkova.

Considering the frankly scandalous circumstances of its signing and the “situation” on the 160 order, the rise of the naval flag to the APCRR “Severodvinsk” was delayed, but still 17 took place on June 2014.

APKR "Severodvinsk" in the Navy for five years, however, as follows from the interview with Mr. Drobot "Izvestia", the situation with anti-torpedoes looks like "the task can only be solved" (despite the fact that it began to be solved at the end of 80 ., and the first successful targeting of prototypes of anti-torpedoes took place back in 1998.).

This is confirmed by the latest materials of arbitration courts:

Decision of 20 in November 2017 in case No. А40-161729 / 2017.
The Ministry of Defense and OAO GNPP Region have concluded a state contract No. X / 01.11.2013 / 1 / 6 / 0577 K-1-DGOZ from 13 for the design and implementation of Lasta.
... the works on stage No. 6 OCD have not been completed and the Customer has not been handed over, the delay is 655 days.

Decision of 27 February 2018 in case No. А40-161729 / 2017.

The decision of the Moscow Arbitration Court of 13.11.2017 in case No. А40-161729 / 17 was left unchanged, the appeal was dismissed.

All this means that the state contract on Laste 1993 was disrupted, and the government contract with the State Research and Production Production Enterprise Region was also renegotiated at the end of 2013 (Krylov I.V., General Director).

There is no active anti-torpedo protection (anti-torpedo) provided for in the Severodvinsk project.

In this case, our submarines actually have no effective passive anti-torpedo protection (means of hydroacoustic counteraction, SGPD), in the sense of effective, against modern torpedoes, SGPD.

Rear Admiral Retired A. Lutsky ("Sea Collection" No. 7 for 2010):

... Subscriber projects "Ash" and "Borey" under construction are proposed to be equipped with PTZ systems, the development specifications of which were compiled in 80-s of the last century, the results of studies of the effectiveness of these tools against modern torpedoes testify to the exceptionally low probability of non-damaging submarine submarines.

Today, what Lutsky wrote about in 2010 was in the GOZ and delivered to the Navy (at the extremely high cost of the products themselves). “It could happen” only with forgery with tests, for example, holding them against obviously outdated torpedoes. I am sure: there was not a single test of the “newest” PTZ complex developed by the SPPM “Malachite” against new torpedoes.

Does the general director of SPBM Malachite Dorofeyev know about this? Of course.

At the same time, in the mass of advertising publications (and at the budget expense), he tells the society and the leadership how we supposedly “everything is very wonderful” with new submarines.

I emphasize that the author’s opinion on this complex is quite competent, and, moreover, at the request of the head of the marine underwater service weapons The Navy of Taran’s author in January 2015 made a short (literally on 1 sheet in tabular form) analysis of the problems of this complex with suggestions for solving them. The document was also transferred to the Malakhit SPBM, the chief designer for armaments in the city of Nikolaev. Reaction:

He just chuckled. There were no objections.

Those. what to do is clear. Only for this you need to recognize the problem. But with this the officials are very hard. And today, in addition to the already “plowed up” earlier on the dead-end direction of OCR billions, the same thing is done in the series.

The modern development of the Malakhit SPBM for PTZ is obviously ineffective and preserves the critical lag of the Russian Navy in this extremely important segment of weapons and military equipment (IWT).

Where did the author information? Yes, from the publications of the “technical details” in the special press of SPhMM “Malachite” itself!

We have almost completely destroyed (including under the pretext of pseudo-secrecy) discussions on concepts, development trends of weapons and military equipment, while the mass of “technical information” on special systems (including the latest and under development) is freely available.

What is characteristic, in the USA, the approach to limiting information is just the opposite: they have serious discussions on concepts and directions, but they very tightly close the “technical details”.

All this means that there is no effective anti-torpedo protection of our submarines and in the near future it will not.

In the "tank-land language": the armed forces were surrendered "Tanks”With“ cardboard armor ”, which the country spent just colossal funds on (construction of extremely expensive AIC projects of“ Ash ”and“ Borey ”without elementary protection). The military and those who had handed over industry were well aware of their “cardboard” nature. Moreover, there is no doubt that if the real situation had been brought to the supreme commander in chief, the issue would have been resolved in a year, at most two (because there are no technical problems).

It is very appropriate to recall a similar example in the Army (ended, very differently than in the Navy):

It all started with the fact that in Chechnya during the performance of a combat mission a soldier protected by a bullet-proof vest died from a pistol bullet of a gangster. Bandyuk shot from "Makarov", and according to all calculations from this weapon body armor can not be pierced. Counterintelligence drew attention to this and reported to the General Staff. General of the Army Yury Baluyevsky, who was chief of the General Staff at that time, ordered his deputy, General Alexander Skvortsov, to check what was the matter. Skvortsov took a choice of several bronikov from a large party, which was supplied by the firm "Artess", and went to the landfill, where he himself shot the vests. Bullets were piercing armor like tissue paper. After that, the general went to the company to check the quality of the goods on the spot. He was given a control vest from a huge batch of 500 pieces. Strangely enough, this product turned out to be of high quality - its plates consisted of all the layers of so-called ballistic fabric (or Kevlar) laid by 30. And the bullets did not flash it. When the general himself chose several body armor for testing, it all cleared up: in some, there were not even 15 layers of Kevlar ... After that, the Investigation Committee attached to the Prosecutor’s Office (UPC) of the Russian Federation joined the case.

You still need to reach the point of the volley ...

Yes, the 885 project has a powerful missile system. However, it is necessary to objectively understand that its capabilities are at the level of the 2-3 long-range bombers (while the Caliber cruise missiles (CR) are significantly inferior to the X-555 bombers of the Kyrgyz Republic), and are significantly inferior to the 949AM project (and the PLARC "Ohio" US Navy).

However, it is also necessary to reach the point of the volley. And given the fact that the antisubmarine defense of the enemy begins from our bases, the probability of this for us is much closer to zero than to one.

In addition, the problems of protection are not the only problems of our submarine forces.

According to the ancient complex of underwater weapons in our “newest” 4 generation from one of its developers:

There were a number of submarine projects that were considered generation: 971-3, 881, 957, 958, Corsair (975). Everywhere we put group hydraulic TAs, with the exception of Nelma, the 833 project. One by one, all projects were closed. And only one project, 885, somehow went through all the design stages and was accepted for construction. For us, this project has long been the only real embodiment of the TA generation. Now there are projects 955 and 955А ... the same were left, not that sadness, or laughter, the powerplant parameters of the torpedo tubes, as they were on the 3 generation.

And this is only a small part of the real acute problems of our submarine shipbuilding, problems that are vigorously concealed and hidden in reports to the leadership of the country and the armed forces.

In a number of publications on the subject of anti-torpedoes, the author called what happened with "anti-torpedo sabotage." And that was exactly the case!

More specifically, it all started in 2003.

At first, tests were carried out on Ladoga, after which it became obvious to the specialists and the leadership of the Malachite SPBM that the “promising” PTZ complex (the lead developer of the Malachite SPBM) not only “everything is bad” with new torpedoes, but also with old, soft speaking, it is not clear that. For in the ideology of the construction and application of this complex were laid fundamental errors.

Where does the author know all this? From publications in a special open press. Of course, there were no “scary words” like “torpedo”. But even if the technical text and test data "shells" called "cucumbers", experts still understand what is at stake.

I stress once again: what Lutsky wrote about 2010 in “Malachite” (and its contractors) was definitely known from 2003. However, budget billions were actively not only learning about dead-ends, but topics that were left “naked” before our opponent’s weapon

In 2003, the author, while training as part of a crew at the Obninsk Navy Training Center, during the development of a naval combat crew for overcoming mine obstacles from the Keptor mines, thought about the active destruction of its torpedoes with its torpedo salvo (with the corresponding shooting installations).

The study of the question was not abstract, the staff was trained, time was spent, calculations were made (for this it was necessary to go to the native school, to the special department).

With all this, the author arrived at the Directorate of Anti-submarine Weapons (UPV) of the Navy, from where he was sent to the State Scientific Production Enterprise "Region". Prior to this, anti-torpedo knew about our development only from the books of Captain.

With all the primitiveness of the “initial proposals”, the issues of PTZ in them were considered much more extensively, more comprehensively than was done within the framework of “Fins” in the “Region”. Moreover, a number of extremely important issues in general fell out of the attention of the developers (GNNP Region and SPbM Malakhit) and turned out to be just a shock for them.

It was a shock to say about it officially out loud and loudly, it turned out to be just scary.

General Designer of the Rubin Central Design Bureau Baranov I.L., on the same issues, in the author's documents on the complex modernization of 3 generation boats (2006):

You raise questions that you can shoot from !!!

To which he was told:

I not only put them, but I propose solutions - technical and organizational. This is the first. And the second is that, without solving these problems, we have no right to build submarines at all!

After 2003, Malachite began to “look for a way out” and “take certain measures”. However, the problem is that the matter is not in “certain wrong technical solutions, our mistakes in this regard are inherent in the wrong principled approaches, including approved in the guidelines for the creation of submarines. Those. problems need to be opened to the full depth and by all (all organizations, including those with the Krylovsky State Research Center, central organizations responsible for developing the regulatory framework, etc.).

What do we have in the end?

The country has invested in huge submarines just huge funds. The Borey-Bulava program turned out to be the most expensive in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. There are no technical problems to have effective underwater weapons and countermeasures, and this does not require any exorbitant means.

However, these The “newest” submarines are simply “naked” in front of the enemy’s weapons, while they themselves have a lot of flaws and flaws in their underwater weapons.

What is their combat capability?

Yes, "Onyxes", "Calibres" fly. "Mace" - the same. Periodically.

But back to the "tank analogy." If the “tank” fires a gun (“high-explosive, and at a great distance”), but it has “cardboard armor,” can it be considered “combat-ready”? Obviously not.

Then why are submarine forces of the Navy, having “cardboard” protection and underwater weapons, considered as such?

Должностные лица

The above critical problematic issues of our submarine forces are not versions, but facts. Facts about which the responsible officials both in the Navy and in the military-industrial complex cannot be unaware.

Obviously, there are a number of very serious questions to the ex-director of the Department of the shipbuilding industry and marine engineering of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, and now the first vice-president of USC, Mr. Strugov.

And questions to the member of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation Pospelov V.Ya. (since May 2006, before that, he served as Director General of the Russian Shipbuilding Agency).

It was the “tandem” of Pospelov and Strugov that defined the “technical policy” in our shipbuilding (and the underwater weapons of ships) for the last two decades. Moreover, according to Pospelov, it is necessary to emphasize the fact that he is not just listed on the boards of directors of a whole number of OPK organizations, but very closely monitors all topics and processes and directly affects them.

Those. Pospelov is a person who knows everything perfectly.

Question: where are the solutions to these problems? And especially when solutions do not have technical difficulties, but require only tough organizational measures, which, however, for a long time “for some reason” are not taken, and the “newest” ships surrender or are limited in fighting capacity (or not capable at all)?

Call things by their proper names. The only bright spot of our newest shipbuilding is the frigate “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Pots”, and not only in its characteristics, but also in the principal position of the customer to eliminate the problems of the defense industry.

At the same time, it is necessary to objectively understand that a significant part of Gorshkov’s problems was the result of the terrible underfunding of surface shipbuilding in previous years, which even according to the priority R & D project 22350 forced to shift the “critical” work to the later stages of ship creation.

And one of the main reasons for this underfinancing is the unrestrained “swelling” of funds into the sub-melt, and without solving its critical problems of combat capability.

Not having solved the problems of the 4 generation, we have already begun an active “budget funds utilization” for the fifth!

At the same time, the program of modernization and medium repairs of 3 generation boats was disrupted. And this is after the fleet and the country in the middle of the 2000 were almost lost at the depth of a Kursk boat! The crew’s guilt was not only not in this; moreover, only his quick and professional actions allowed the boat to “get out” from the “other world”. The reason - the failure to carry out repairs (and it is medium repairs).

With high probability, from the Supreme Fleet in the person of the Commander-in-Chief Kuroyedov, he hid it. And what about the defense industry? Yy Strugov and Pospelov reported this to the president (prime minister)?

A separate issue is the figure of the current "chief adviser" to the president of USC JSC, Mr. V. Chirkov. (ex-GK Navy). He knew about all the above problems. Nevertheless, the act on the APCR “Severodvinsk” was signed (as well as a whole series of other gross “errors” of Chirkov at the GK position: patrol ships of the 22160 project, corvettes of the 20386 project, etc.), and now the city of Chirkov is fine feels in the defense system.

Tellingly, the real work on solving the problems of the Gorshkov frigate went after Chirkov left his seat in the Admiralty.

And the current commander in chief Korolev? As they say, “I had the intention to change everything,” and there was a certain positive (the same “Gorshkov”). But…

The man who knew him well:

Bear in mind, Korolev is not a Knock. He is not a "shabak." No, he's a normal guy, right. But ... he is very careful. We in the North called him “Careful winner”: he always wins, but he is always very careful.

As Commander-in-Chief, Korolyov completely and unconditionally lost to industry (a small “wagering” was at the expense of Gorshkov and Polimen-Reduta, where the industry was still forced to bring work to an acceptable result, but then it was all lost by the “acceptance” of 22160 ships and epic with highly questionable project 20386).

Apparently, in order not to lose, one still needed to be a “rude”, because tough and decisive actions by the commander-in-chief of the Navy were necessary.

It is appropriate to recall the good Article Rear Admiral Y. Kirillov, retired.

At the beginning of the 90-x, the famous and high-ranking American four-star admiral, commander of the operations of the US Navy, shot himself in honor of honor. The case is very strange from the standpoint of modern ideas and, in the opinion of the majority, the reason did not deserve attention. However, such notions of honor among senior officers work strongly on the authority of the fleet, the Armed Forces, to which it belonged. This is especially noteworthy against the background of notions of honor in his contemporaries from other fleets, which have far more weighty grounds for such decisions.
Indeed, and how much the effectiveness of defense depends on the dignity of a commander, general, or admiral. It is not a secret that in these times, about the end of which we have not yet been informed, the majority of even very capable military commanders went into the commanding offices with their opinions, and left with a stranger, his opinion. That is the tragedy.

What is necessary?

Note: The author considers the extremely difficult question of the interaction between the Navy and the Ministry of Defense to be considered in a separate article on the Navy.

It should be noted that the fleet does not have control over defense enterprises through military acceptance (which is not subordinate to it). In this situation, the only way to know the situation, influence it and control it can only be the creation of a system for conducting objective tests of VVT of the Navy.

The key issue of the prospects and relations of the Navy with the military-industrial complex is the creation of a full-fledged test system of weapons and military equipment of the Navy.

What we have now is the profanation of such, generously “seasoned” with deliberate frauds and frauds. And so it is almost everywhere in the Navy, even with relatively prosperous missilemen: at least once the newest Navy air defense systems fired at real simulators of the latest US Navy anti-ship missiles LRASM for such purposes)?

For underwater weapons we have - just dark. Yes, it is not everywhere. There are exceptions, and for the same “Package”, and “Ichthyosaur” ... but these exceptions in fact only confirm the state of the state with the Navy test system.

Development of new torpedoes (their homing systems) and countermeasures should be carried out comprehensively and jointly.

It seems to be the obvious solution. However, the proposals on it, repeatedly and in detail set forth in a number of documents by the author and other initiative officers, cause categorical rejection (up to hysterics, “well, no such tests should be done !!!”).

The reason is simple: the results of objective tests will be simply devastating and scandalous for a number of products and complexes, chiefs and “specialists” who participated in all this.

Here, by the way, an important clarification on anti-torpedoes is needed: the categorical need to conduct real tests with the actual destruction of an attacking torpedo, and not their imitation by “simulators”.

In the defense industry "even more fun." Objectively, the greatest experience today in creating modern CLS torpedoes is in the possession of specialists from GNPP “Region”. The issues of development by them (and people were ready to work initiative and optional) in the "Region" of modern SFGS were raised many times. For a company located at the end of 2000-x - the beginning of 2010-x. in a difficult financial situation, it was a quick and effective solution to many problems. However, the “position” of the chief designer of Drobot was:

Let it develops anyone. The "region" will not do the CSDP.

I really want to think that such a “strange” position of the chief designer of the enterprise was not related to the fact that he “part-time” was a member of the board of directors of a rival firm, who considered the subject of the CSTD to be “his patrimony”.

Finally, the main thing: Will we have an admiral who can objectively uncover existing problems, toughly raise questions and get them resolved by the defense industry and the structures of the Ministry of Defense and the Navy?

Comments

[Medvezhya lapa over Ki]

What a terrible thing.

Having not solved the problems of the 4th generation, we have already begun active “development of budget funds” already in the fifth!

Galloping agony?

[Beregovic_1]

Moreover, there will not be anything fundamentally new in the 5th generation of nuclear submarines yet ... The overall performance improvement by several percent. The plant, not completing the 885 series of the project, is already trying to master the funds for the next project. And I have big doubts that 7 Ash buildings will be built .... While 2 are afloat and 2 are on the slipway .... The rest will not be built in a vague perspective and until 2022.

[1Leningrad]

It’s always like that. Some design changes appear, and the budget is agreed. The warriors with money are very reluctant to leave, the contractors where to get from the next order, and there you look and can increase funding. The ship was mortgaged, the money went, and it is mortgaged, and then it is stored on the slipways.

[Maz]

This article is a consequence of the replacement of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy and fleet commanders. There are only two options: 1. Removed on the subject and rightly and the article explains why. 2. The new commander-in-chief opens the sick wounds of our Navy. He needs support. God forbid something moves.

[Cowbra]

A very old and practically insoluble problem. It consists in that. that on developments with a stamp there are disputes between a VERY limited number of SPECIALISTS, and all these specialists are in one way or another materially interested in a particular project, there are NO "independent experts" on such problems - everything is in business and there are few of them. And the decisions are made by administrators. which in technical details are not in the subject, they are administrators, not scientists or techies, and most often - in addition, the army, i.e. not at all in the subject of R&D. Maximum - saw something at the training "show". And that one wins. who knows how to speak more beautifully, well, or grease. So all over the world.
PiSi: set as an example by the author

What is characteristic, in the USA, the approach to limiting information is just the opposite: they have serious discussions on concepts and directions, but they very tightly close the “technical details”.

- wild nonsense. What decision can be made without knowing the technical details? Knowledge of the readiness for the production of a particular concept? Talk show at Malakhov’s, not a discussion! I now think that we need to laser torpedoes knocked down! Quickly induced and zilch! And there is no torpedo! Great concept, after all! Or ultrasound - its water perfectly conducts

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Cowbra

I now think that we need to laser torpedoes knocked down! Quickly induced and zilch! And there is no torpedo! Great concept, after all!

epic concept ... but maybe better screens from bed nets?

[timokhin-aa]

What decision can be made without knowing the technical details?

The decision makers just know them, they just do not get into the press. We have the opposite.

[akudr48]

Yeah, not only the dress was sewn to the naked king, but he was stroked and sprinkled with perfume ...

The main thing is that the retinue is happy, everyone came to the rapture, interesting cartoons are watching how we will defeat them all ...

And then say, under water is not visible. Boats are not airplanes.

[luka57]

horror!!!!
is it so bad?
here it’s not only to beat all the bells, to beat all the drums, and the louder the better.
something tells me that for TFR work there is no end

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

is it so bad?

Poorly? It was bad in the year 91, when the Soviet Union collapsed. And this is the edge.
But what’s most interesting - officials in shipbuilding corporations, directors of suppliers' factories, military representatives, in general, all those involved in the construction of the boat - are firmly convinced of their impunity. And they know that their children will never serve on this boat.
None of them will ever go to the tsar or to the Minister of Defense in their life and never tell anything about critical imperfections of the boat.
Because in any case and in any situation - THE BOAT WILL BE ACCEPTED FOR WEAPONS. Just because there is no other boat and there is nowhere to take it.

[RL]

Democracy in action!
They gave them the opportunity to wear their tongues, in the hope that the people were used to walking under the yoke, and they would vote for those whom they would point out. No need to think under the yoke. Calmly and benevolently, "we are not guilty of anything, others think for us and feed us."
Nuremberg trial to help you!
And the whole leadership didn’t. You have the opportunity to influence the life of the country - do not stand aside.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

None of them will ever go to the tsar or to the Minister of Defense in their life and never tell anything about critical imperfections of the boat.

I would like to know about the status of the Kazan submarine in this context. A lot has been said about the modernized Ashen project, however, what exactly was modernized there and what problems were fixed? Apparently the WHOLE Yasen-M project will not differ much from Severodvinsk. But at the same time, the facts of theft and imperfections will pop up as the data on the submarine are commissioned. And most interestingly, the chief Rulevoi will sit and not moo and not calve, since this whole pack of parasites, like Chubais or the same Serdyukov, is nourished by him.
With what boldness the citizens of the country are told about new planes, nuclear submarines, tanks ... and this is all having no analogues in the world, and then flaws, shortcomings, the absence of what should be, and finally stupidly steal, brazenly, a lot and with impunity.
In general, I get the feeling that the rearmament program until the 25 year is pure fiction voiced for citizens, so that the governing geeks calmly mastered the money wagons without doing anything.

[Charik]

Yes, such a secret that it’s scary, I think the BC KR increased you and M

[timokhin-aa]

I would like to know about the status of the Kazan nuclear submarine in this context. A lot has been said about the modernized project of Ash, however, what exactly has been modernized there and what problems have been fixed?

Even the hull is different, and significantly, the TA installation angles are different, there are differences in the AER. Severodvinsk on the old ground was collected, but Kazan was no longer there. These are different substrates in fact.

It is only alarming that the suppliers of Kazan spoke about its entry to the sea like "finally sent this disabled person." I don't know what's wrong with Kazan, but it took a really long time to come out.
Although a lot of shoals Severodvinsk Kazan fixed.

[NEXUS]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Although a lot of shoals Severodvinsk Kazan fixed.

It may be so, but ... I would like to see the REAL value of this submarine. And something tells me that the amount that looms on the internet about Yaseny-M is fictitious, taking into account bribes, cuts, lobbying, etc. ... and who will be punished? Yes, no one. The next portion of noodles is fed to the people and that’s all.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: NEXUS

It may be so, but ... I would like to see the REAL value of this submarine.

maybe more documentation on the boat? so as to check ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: SanichSan

maybe more documentation on the boat? so as to check ...

I don’t need to check anything ... the cost of this submarine is known ... but what the real cost is, I’m sure it is completely different and many times more.

[Sanichsan]

"I don't know where yet, but I was definitely deceived"

[Fan-fan]

If the fleet is not operational (and it most likely is), and the generals, admirals and officials reported on the work done, then it was as if the money was stolen (or spent on bullshit, which is the same thing).
But the problem is old, like Russia itself - the majority of officials and generals have neither conscience nor honor, and the supreme one does not control them or simply believes their reports. We only have one thing left - to change the supreme one in the next election, since this one with his friends is not able to restore order.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Fan-Fan

If the fleet is not operational (and it most likely is)

of course .. but how could it be otherwise! most likely ...

Quote: Fan-Fan

And the problem is as old as Russia itself - most officials and generals have neither conscience nor honor

what generals are there! ordinary people have absolutely trouble. Do not feed bread, give to the army, navy or VKS spit. pysriots

Quote: Fan-Fan

We only have one thing left - to change the supreme one in the next election, since this one with his friends is not able to restore order.

yes something does not grow together with you few of you to change someone. out on the last, your horse gained just 1.6%. complete failure!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: luka57

horror!!!!
is it so bad?
here it’s not only to beat all the bells, to beat all the drums, and the louder the better.
something tells me that for TFR work there is no end

No, dear, it is not necessary to beat the bells, but to set them against the wall!
One, two, and there, you look, and things went.

[FID]

And what's more, the letter "g." before the name MANAGERA .... It is, like, he is "master", and all the rest -? Does this "g" know anything at all besides the distribution of money?

[bk316]

Does this "g" know anything at all besides the distribution of money?

Sergey, and google - laziness? Do you want May Day slogans?

Dorofeev Vladimir Yuryevich

In 1991 - graduated from the Leningrad Shipbuilding Institute.
From 1991 to 1992 - engineer, design engineer of III, II category (1992-1996), head of sector (1996-1997).
In 2007 - participated as a technical manager in the final stage of the ship’s tests.
In December 2007, he was deputy general designer of the deep-sea technical equipment business.
In 2008 - First Deputy General Director - Chief Engineer of OA SPMBM Malakhit.
Since August 2011 - General Director of JSC SPMBM Malakhit.

Awarded with the jubilee medal "300 years of the Russian fleet" (1996), Order of Courage (2009). In 2012, the International Union of Scientific and Engineering Public Associations awarded the title of "Engineer of the Decade".


And regarding the address, Mr., I see nothing wrong, respect for others is not disrespect for oneself. And Mendeleev was called Mr. Popov and Tsiolkovsky.

[NordOst16]

The wall will not decide anything because undercover games will begin and left people will have absolution and not sooner or later those who should appear there, but before that they will have time to shoot the innocent.
We need to change people. As for me, these people should be retired on a pension of approximately "satisfying physiological needs", as one official put it, and their place of residence should be published so that people can go to a zoo and make fun of how officials survive in the conditions they have created. It would be disgusting for the servants of the people to live and, if a mistake occurs, you can always return a person

[Fan-fan]

A wall, a pension, it’s good, but there is a legal way of punishment - a court and a prison, but the appointment and removal of prosecutors and judges from the Kremlin camarilla makes these judges an inaccessible caste for the people on the one hand, and on the other hand, forces them to serve the employer. The conclusion is to change the Kremlin camarilla until it comes across such as Stalin or Peter the Great.

[NordOst16]

As history and Krylov’s fable show, how long you don’t look for a king, until the tsar himself appears in his head, nothing good will come of it. I think the problem is that many are looking for someone who will come and put things in order for them. These really are, they restore order, but only their own. I think it is necessary for citizens to begin to manage their own lives, and there, you see, life will begin to improve. It’s easy to deceive those who don’t know how things work or work, but to deceive those who are aware of the process becomes problematic with life as well.

[Ross xnumx]

APKR "Severodvinsk" handed over to the Navy with critical for combat effectiveness

After a year of operation, everything will become known and will fall into place.

Finally, the main thing: will we have an admiral who will be able to objectively reveal the existing problems, rigidly raise questions and get them resolved before the defense industry complex and the structures of the Ministry of Defense and the Navy?

The admiral, perhaps an officer with a lower rank, will be able to reveal the existing problems and shortcomings, only will he remain in the service after this autopsy?
And many names of customers and the reasons for the sudden death of officers and civilians who tried to tackle were revealed. political and economic pathology?

[kepmor]

but there’s nothing to run ahead of the engine ... pathologists with the undead should have things to do ... but with us they are still alive and well ... they still row themselves and row ...

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: ROSS 42

The admiral, perhaps an officer with a lower rank, will be able to reveal the existing problems and shortcomings, only will he remain in the service after this autopsy?

yeah, as they say - "The main thing in the investigation process is not to get out on ourselves."

[timokhin-aa]

The admiral, perhaps an officer with a lower rank, will be able to reveal the existing problems and shortcomings, only will he remain in the service after this autopsy?

The officer who justified the risk of purchasing imported diesel engines was fired.

And many were revealed the names of customers and the causes of the sudden death of officers and civilians who tried to tackle political and economic pathology?

You can ask the author - Klimov directly, he was ordered more than once and with the "bony" he dispersed more than once "in the butt".

He just does not write about these things.

[Serg65]

Quote: timokhin-aa

He just does not write about these things.

Alexander, does Klimov have anything newer? The most interesting thing is that you know that this article is a hundred years old at lunch! Although you have achieved the result, that is, that is! Looks like people are indignant
Down with the thief rulers, give the revolution !!!

[timokhin-aa]

This article week from the force.

[Serg65]

Quote: timokhin-aa

This article week from the force.

Sasha, I beg you !!!! The fact that this article is slightly edited, the photos are replaced - I do not argue. I read this article two years ago

[Serg65]

And to be more precise 18 April 2017g.
https://vpk-news.ru/articles/36290

[timokhin-aa]

There without personalities. And here with personalities)))

[LeonidL]

An interesting article, but ... how to combine what was written by the same author in the previous article? For example: "Yes, today we are definitely ahead of everyone in anti-torpedoes. Yes, our M15E anti-torpedo has a very high probability of destroying an attacking torpedo. However, we delayed the completion of work on anti-torpedoes so much that in 2013 there was generally a question of closing work on this topic. and from the real results it was possible to present only 1998. After that, they simply didn’t do anti-torpedo firing! Couldn’t?
Attempts to "strangle" the "Packet" and "Last" stopped only after a brilliant series of tests in 2013 (if there were real technical possibilities to carry them out much earlier) "If" attempts to strangle have stopped, "and counter-torpedoes are not produced and are not supplied to the Fleet, then the problem is clearly in direct sabotage, and this is already the competence of the FSB, the military prosecutor's office and the IC and not the court of appeal. Well, if they are still produced and supplied, then the questions are already to the author. In addition to the decision of the court of appeal, all materials are quite old, dated before 2015- Yes, and more than one office is most likely dealing with counter-torpedoes, this was the case before, although my knowledge of this belongs to Soviet times, and in the current "capitalist" realities I am not strong, I confess.

[Undecim]

"An interesting article, but ... how to combine what was written by the same author in the previous article? "
But the author directly writes: "At the same time, there is no doubt that if the real situation had been brought to the attention of the supreme commander, the issue would have been resolved in a year, at most two (for there are no technical problems). "
That is, technically there are no questions. The whole problem is in the "boyars" - saboteurs.

[LeonidL]

I don’t know how it is now, but since the old days this simply would not have been possible! There was control at all levels and an attempt to sabotage would immediately receive an assessment and would be voiced at the very top.

[kepmor]

nothing new ... it’s already so done that the fleet does not get what it needs, but that the industry can ... and it can’t be very ... expensive, long and bad ...
our admirals have always been under the heel of the manufacturers ... both with the king and with the advice, and now even more so ...
only S.G. Gorshkov could somehow resist industrialists, thanks to his friendship with "dear Leonid Ilyich" since the days of small land ... it was under him that the ocean fleet was created in the USSR, the remains of which we still use ...
oh sadness-sadness is that there is no "sea" among Putin's friends ... only KGB officers, fighters and air cellists ...

[Charik]

but maybe yacht clubs are summer cottages

[Glory1974]

only S.G. Gorshkov could somehow resist the industrialists, thanks to his friendship with "dear Leonid Ilyich" from the time of the small earth ...

Interesting idea. I immediately remembered Serdyukov with his idea to buy French "Mistrals" in spite of our court officials. By the way, he was also friends with the "powers that be." Thanks to him, imported armored Iveco appeared in the army, and then our Tigers and other vehicles. Maybe he was not so and was wrong?

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: kepmor

our admirals have always been under the heel of the manufacturers ... both with the king and with the advice, and now even more so ...

Stupidity is unbelievable. Anyway. Everyone has the right to say nonsense. Freedom of speech, freedom of thought.

[Earthshaker]

Patience until November 1 and there will be no freedom of speech, the Internet, the protection of human rights, anything else that I have missed. Rejoice.

[tinkle]

how can we, silver-legged, be able to build masterpieces, if tooling and equipment for the most part of the 60-90 years of the last century in everyday life.

[Dart2027]

JSC "SPMBM" Malachite "
The name is misinterpreted.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Thanks for the information.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

And what are these publications in a special open press? You can at least name it. I'm not talking about the reference to the publication.

[Undecim]

Interesting thought in the article: "At the same time, there is no doubt that if the real situation were brought to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, the issue would be resolved in a year, at most two (for there are no technical problems). "
In the light of this statement, the thought arises - can revive such a method of supervision over the activities of the "boyars" as petitions. The end of the Faceted Chamber is in place, the Red Porch too. Even Peter the Great, who in every possible way forbade the filing of petitions, formulated "three points" according to which the filing of petitions was allowed: about treason, an attempt on the life of the king and the kidnapping of the treasury.
Why not revive such a glorious tradition?

[3x3zsave]

It's funny! The box with the inscription "about treason" will traditionally be overflowing, the mouse will hang in the box "theft of the treasury", also traditionally, but the middle one is very interesting, especially in light of the latest bills.

[Stirbjorn]

Moreover, there is no doubt that if the real situation were brought to the supreme commander in chief, the issue would be resolved in a year, at most two (because there are no technical problems).

The Supreme Commander-in-Chief did not even come to the descent of "Kazan", he preferred to knock with a hammer on Franz Joseph's land ... I doubt that he understands anti-torpedoes.

[antique]

How strange it all looks. The president is not concerned with economics, this is the prime minister's competence, domestic policy is not his business, foreign policy remains. The Ministry of Industry and Trade, where all this construction of the construction of "cardboard" nuclear-powered ships is being directed, is the prime minister's domain again.
Joseph Vissarionovich, personally met with the Chief designers, substantial and important letters of ordinary citizens, he was given for review even during the Great Patriotic War. Indeed, with Flerov’s letter, the atomic program of the USSR began. True, the great Stalin did not swim in the pool, and did not swing in the gym. However, he dealt with all critical issues personally.
Maybe organize a petition in electronic form, and send it to kremlyukam?
Does it make sense to update an aspect so important for the country's defense capability? Or is it all useless? They will play a petition in APeshechka “how are Kurginyan's signature lists against pension reform?

[Vladimir1155]

In the Russian consciousness there is an image of the tsar, Stalin was the tsar, and the president is the president because he is a screen for Chubais, who runs the country in the interests of the world behind the scenes, that is, he intends to ruin the country of the IMF of the WTO and other international structures.

[Charik]

I read and then wrote here as one receiver of naval armaments in St. Petersburg for the truth, that there the jambs were being driven-Dismissed — some of them were confused, and I’m here some kind of Vasya.

[dirk182]

As always, THANKS Maxim! You are just great for raising such topics.

[smpetrov]

Is that all to whom it is written? The enemy? Probably, you don’t have to bring out everything you know!

[timokhin-aa]

The enemy knows everything perfectly.

[Fan-fan]

So it seems to me that in the USA they know everything perfectly, therefore they don’t worry about the Zircons, Poseidons, Caliber and other non-existent analogues in the world.

[Vladimir1155]

I respect the principled position of Maxim Klimov, the resignation of the parquet admirals, to conduct an investigation, to take measures to rectify the situation ..... if I were the president ..... but if the apl are not combat-ready, then the whole fleet as such loses its meaning .. ..then only the border guard is enough

[Vladimir1155]

God came to Stalin, to shoot all the thieves in power and the admirals too!

[Saxahorse]

Quote: vladimir1155

God came to Stalin, to shoot all the thieves in power and the admirals too!

Somehow you are inconsistent .. Stalin without communism will be Pinochet .. Is this what you want?

[Fan-fan]

Maybe Pinachet is better, only our own, if he disperses thieves and mediocrity in power. Or maybe even a criminal case will open on members of the government, on officials, etc.?

[Sergej1972]

The real Chilean Pinochet never forgot about himself, his relatives and friends. He did not differ in particular asceticism. And the fight against corruption has never been one of his priorities. Like other Latin American dictators of the time.

[Vsevolod]

Damn, why wasn't the Arena installed on the T-34? Damned Stalinist managers.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

The author dumped everything in one pile. It would seem that the abundance of specific surnames and posts should impress. It’s not very good for me. What is the reason? Yes, at least in this:

With high probability, from the Supreme Fleet in the person of the Commander-in-Chief Kuroyedov, he hid it. And what about the defense industry? Yy Strugov and Pospelov reported this to the president (prime minister)?

"Most likely ... hid it." And if you didn't?
"... was the President (Prime Minister) informed?" And if you reported?
He hid / did not hide, reported / did not report - what will change from this, if the Supreme, he is the President, as well as the Prime Minister, do not understand anything about this. And it’s okay that they don’t understand. It is permissible for them. But, it is they who determine the personnel policy in the state. And the core of this personnel policy is "effective managers", the models of which were and are Serdyukov and Rogozin, and the same Shoigu. What is not clear to the author? Who is he talking to? To whom is he calling? He reminds me of a mental hospital patient who complains to the head doctor that all his subordinate doctors consider themselves equal to God. To which he, smiling condescendingly, replies that of course they are wrong, because there is only one person equal to God, and that is himself. And it's not a joke. Dmitry Rogozin - Doctor of Technical Sciences. And Vladimir Putin, by the way, is a candidate of economic sciences. By chance? No. This is the diagnosis. And the fact that the author of the article refers to the president / prime minister as the supreme arbiter is also a diagnosis.

[Fan-fan]

The author elucidated the problem and thanks for that, and who is to blame is understandable - the whole elite is from Putin and Medvedev to Shoigu to the last official in this field. Moreover, the higher the person sits, the more it depends on him, and therefore the more he is to blame. But it is precisely then that people come to power that they then become inviolable.

[Tektor]

We urgently need to finalize the 885 project and implement the author’s suggestions, and hang the developer by the ears in a frontal place.

[kapitan281271]

Good people, my golden ones, come to your senses. You are seriously discussing this problem, please stop, it’s a complete systemic crisis, or rather a system crash, because a similar situation is everywhere. I work in a very serious system-forming federal company, I read about torpedoes, and before my eyes my objects here are exactly the same, sheer pharisaism and cut. Previously, they simply democratized. and now we understand how to come to dad and talk about the super-mega-world of the waffle will be given money to you, and you go, it doesn’t matter to invent that, Poseidon, super-mega-goat, electrician robot on a quadrocopter (the last one is not joking, the truth is true), the main thing was to cut and a peppy report !!! !!

[anjey anjey]

"When I hear about something" that has no analogue in the world "- I understand that there really is no" such "in the world - but not because no one can" invent such ", but because this shit and what the hell nobody needs." ©

[bk0010]

Does it ever occur to you that it is only for us that the task is seriously to dismiss NATO? Well, now for China. And it gives rise to tasks that have no analogues (such as drowning AUG in droves) and, accordingly, that have no analogues? Tell me, for example, is the task of circumventing the US missile defense relevant for many countries?

[anjey anjey]

This is not written about tasks that are really extraordinary, but about super-mega-underworlds that cost crazy money, but cannot even come close to solving the simplest problems. In Russia, we waste a lot of money and resources on the development of things worthy of the "Shnobel Prize", according to the results we have a benefit-cost ratio <1. Plus, the obligatory cut of funding for such toys makes you rich, oddly enough. the same "confidants" ........

[anjey anjey]

The problem of drowning the AUG can be solved by a certain number of missiles of the middle price category, ala "Harpoon" in our analog . No super-expensive wunderwaffle can simultaneously harm the connection of enemy ships - unless they are moored side to side .

[gregor6549]

The people, and why are you all surprised. I have long been in my comments wrote that the defense budget has become a very tasty feeding trough for many officials (in epaulets and without) production workers and others involved in the development of this budget. And this trough appeared not yesterday and not the day before yesterday. Those. under the cries of cutting the mattresses of their budget goes a much larger scale and a much quieter Russian budget cut.
And this cut began with the creation of a so-called. centers of scientific and technical creativity of youth at state-owned enterprises https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsentr_nauchno-tekhnicheskogo_tvorchestva_molodezhi
The heads of enterprises very quickly turned these centers into converters of money allocated for the state. projects in the personal income of the management of enterprises and other persons who have nothing to do with these enterprises. Then these NTTMs were ordered to live a long time. all these "persons" quickly learned how to launder money "earned by back-breaking labor" without the help of NTTM, and now the process of cutting the budget has reached its climax. Those. first, the leaders of industry research institutes, design bureaus and factories lure higher leaders (ministers, etc., right up to the President himself) with tales of some miracle of weapons, which will be created and destroyed by the enemy at the root, Then those who managed to seduce the leadership of these tales begin to imitate stormy activity accompanied by the display of fascinating cartoons and quite believable reports. Well, when the bitter truth about the results of offices such as "Horns and Hooves" is revealed, the newly-minted Ostap Bendery try to quietly dissolve in the blue haze of some Maldives. They, of course, find a worthy replacement and everything starts anew. So why are we surprised and why all the thunder and lightning are pouring down on the second, third and others in descending order of numbers. After all, the fish rots from the head, and if the head was interested in the normal course of business, this whole shop could be slammed in a couple of three days. And since the shop lives and flourishes, then apparently the interest of the heads is very specific. Hence another question. Are these heads interested in crushing a very likely enemy? After all, both they and their appointees have in the camp of this enemy and sickly real estate, and bank accounts, and children in universities and colleges. Will they destroy it all with their own hands? I really doubt. And you? And with such doubts, the main question arises - the question of the defense capabilities of Russia, Belarus and other allies. So far, the dashing guys mentioned above care more about the defense capabilities of China, India, Turkey and others, selling them the weapons that are not yet in service with their own Armed Forces and it is not known when they will appear (we do not take into account single samples rolled at parades and biathlons). Those. money is on the line again and nothing else. So the money, after all, does not reach the developers and manufacturers of this weapon, and if it does, it doesn’t come in scanty amounts.
I do not even stutter about the leakage of secret technologies. One sale of Turkey ZRK С400 is worth something. It would have been easier to sell these air defense missiles directly to the whales, as they had sold them to the S300 PMU in the beginning of 90.
The Chinese and Hindus also sell everything that they desire to buy. And they want a lot. And without fail with technologies and no more than several samples. There are other examples, but I think it will be quite enough for those that I brought.
And we are all terrified and surprised. What
I am waiting for the next ban from the VO admin. As vyakayu not according to rank.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: gregor6549

And without fail with technologies and no more than a few samples. There are other examples, but I think there will be enough of those that I brought.

For me, the most striking example is this one:

On February 10, 2011, in the city of Moscow, by the decision of the All-Russian Officer Meeting, a military tribunal was held to review the destructive activities of Putin V.V. and on March 19, 2011 Viktor Ivanovich Ilyukhin suddenly died in his country house in the village of Kratovo before the ambulance arrived.
Strange coincidence...

[Vsevolod]

A liaison between Zu and the legal thieves. There he is dear.

[Karabas]

The fish has long rotted from the head and overdone.

Those. first, the leaders of industry research institutes, design bureaus and factories lure higher leaders (ministers, etc., right up to the President himself) with tales of some miracle of weapons, which will be created and destroyed by the enemy at the root, Then those who managed to seduce the leadership of these tales begin to imitate stormy activity accompanied by the display of fascinating cartoons and quite believable reports. Well, when the bitter truth about the results of offices such as "Horns and Hooves" is revealed, the newly-minted Ostap Bendery try to quietly dissolve in the blue haze of some Maldives.

Because the official cannot understand technology, they are all the more remote from science. Conclusion - this will continue under any president. Why? Because these are questions of scientists of the RAS. Over which, as Mr. Medvedev publicly stated, they won 2 years ago.

[Maalkavianin]

The author denounces managers, designers and high-ranking military personnel. He says that they all share, they are all tied to each other, they all harm and cut the budget. Okay, or rather it's not good, but so be it. But who is behind the author of the article. Maybe some "Region"? And all this opus, just part of the battle in the information field for a piece of the pie? I admit, of course, that this is a cry from the heart, but somehow today's life teaches that in business where big money is spinning, the soul has no place.

[Fan-fan]

Do you not believe that among us there may still be honest and decent people whose soul hurts for their homeland?

[Maalkavianin]

Somewhere they probably are.

[Wahler]

Everything is lost!

[Fan-fan]

Not everything has disappeared yet, but a lot of things have already been covered with a "copper basin", personally, two years ago, I lost faith in the Supreme, and some of them "saw through" him much earlier.

[Zakhar345]

Quote: vladimir1155

God came to Stalin, to shoot all the thieves in power and the admirals too!

Will you go to "suck"? Then I don't mind!

[KPblC]

Oh something reminds me of this?
"Pentagon Wars" is our remake.

[Nick]

Klimov is a famous alarmist. A cryman on call, as K.Yu. Dushenov. Of course, what he writes is possible and takes place to some extent, but such serious accusations require discussion on the boards of the Ministry of Defense, and not on the pages of popular Internet resources. It is unlikely that the average user will be able to assess the veracity of the alarmist statements of Mr. Klimov.

[kapitan281271]

Quote: Nick

Klimov is a famous alarmist. A cryman on call, as K.Yu. Dushenov. Of course, what he writes is possible and takes place to some extent, but such serious accusations require discussion on the boards of the Ministry of Defense, and not on the pages of popular Internet resources. It is unlikely that the average user will be able to assess the veracity of the alarmist statements of Mr. Klimov.

I laughed so much, you seriously cite as an example people who have escaped from a psychiatric hospital as authorities, YAYAYAYA WAAAS DIE

[Nick]

Quote: kapitan281271

I laughed so much, you seriously cite as an example people who have escaped from a psychiatric hospital as authorities, YAYAYAYA WAAAS DIE

Laughing for no reason is a sign of fooling around. Psychiatrist to help you

[mik193]

The problems have been around for a long time. As usual, the industry shoves its unfinished projects, the admirals (either for a rollback, or simply through thoughtlessness) accept all this, in the end, the crews who have received "equipment that have no analogues in the world" have to cope with everything ... it's high time to change.

[frolov andrey]

Such problems from what:
1. Control services do not work.
2. The punishment is weak.
3. The principle of inevitability of punishment is violated.
4. Officials are ready to defend the interests of the elite (money), and not the people.

[Resistance]

Old topic, still from the USSR. They have a military-industrial complex, we have a military industrial complex (industrial-military complex).

About PTZ. India buys boats from us, and from Italy PTZ to them.

[timokhin-aa]

Hindus have brought a lot of things to our mind. The same anti-submarine IL-38 and Tu-142. It seems that the improvements are small, and according to their capabilities, Elah is ahead of our years by thirty in time.
For a penny.

[Fizik M]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Hindus have brought a lot of things to our mind. The same anti-submarine IL-38 and Tu-142. It seems that the improvements are small, and according to their capabilities, Elah is ahead of our years by thirty in time.
For a penny.

no, we brought
it turned out pretty good ... but everything stopped
and vEmEfE did not want even what was done for the Indians

[timokhin-aa]

All imported equipment, on the same Tu-142, the Israeli search radar stands, instead of the old instruments, the protected laptops are not Russian either.

[Fizik M]

This is a long-established complex, and if the Indians change nothing, then they will get the full amount of packs from C-303 from packs.

[frog]

"Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed Admiral Nikolai Evmenov Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, and also replaced the commanders of the Black Sea and Northern Fleets, TASS reports.

The Black Sea Fleet will be headed by Vice Admiral Igor Osipov, who in the past commanded the Caspian Flotilla. Prior to that, the fleet was headed by Vice Admiral Alexander Moiseev, he was appointed the new commander of the Northern Fleet. "

[Karabas]

I remembered the films "Leviathan" and "D.u.r.a.k" after reading the article.

[Momotomba]

Shortcomings have always been, are and will be ... The industry is always trying to pass "according to plan", "under a contract", for something else ... We did it, the acts were signed - exploit ... First time, or what ??
Familiar seaman said that all funds from torpedoes and missiles solely to calm the wives ...
Higher nose, colleagues! But the likely opponent will think that everything is fine with us and will spend a lot of money on the invention of new muck for us ...

[Pavel Fedorov]

In general, the Navy’s leadership is filled with real traitors (if not all) who receive money from the Pentagon for a bad fleet.

[Dimmedroll]

Well, the warriors themselves are to blame for this situation. They don’t give money for already completed orders. We owe 500 million and sit quietly.

[Radical]

Quote: NordOst16

As history and Krylov’s fable show, how long you don’t look for a king, until the tsar himself appears in his head, nothing good will come of it. I think the problem is that many are looking for someone who will come and put things in order for them. These really are, they restore order, but only their own. I think it is necessary for citizens to begin to manage their own lives, and there, you see, life will begin to improve. It’s easy to deceive those who don’t know how things work or work, but to deceive those who are aware of the process becomes problematic with life as well.

Fairly ornate, but essentially correct ....

[Vadim237]

For the author - all new submarines that 885, that the 955 project are equipped with anti-torpedo complexes Package NK.

[Newone]

Could you give a link to the source of this information.

[Fizik M]

Quote: Vadim237

For the author - all new submarines that 885, that the 955 project are equipped with anti-torpedo complexes Package NK.

LIE
and silly and childish
see materials of the same arbitration

[Crabong]

What torpedo hit the head is unknown to the author of the article ...

[Angry]

Shock! This is HARMFUL? Or where?

[George Davydov]

The author authoritatively from a professional standpoint showed the meanness and abomination of the market economy, which, as you know, was introduced to the defeated by the victorious enemy. Moreover, by destroying the planned economy and the responsibility of producers to the consumer, he created conditions for the use of the national property for personal purposes. Therefore, the managers imprisoned by him and his protégés learned how to effectively use budgetary funds to solve personal problems, not forgetting the main thing - helping the enemy in possible conflicts and war. And this suggests that if we are under siege, if the Motherland is in danger, then it is necessary to reorganize both the power structures and those below the liberal-hostile husk, as well as to increase the responsibility of everyone in their places. And if, for example, an American admiral shot himself for reasons of honor, then it is time to return the death penalty for those who deliberately pursue the interests of the enemy against the country and the people! And for us there is an example - 22/06.1941/XNUMX. There is hardly anyone who wants to repeat it. Or is there?

[Dzafdet]

That is how we live. Until the roasted rooster pecks, the man will not cross himself. And, given that our torpedoes are lagging behind the western ones, the HAC is about nothing. It generally becomes sad. Our submariners are brave guys. On such boats to go out to sea ....