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In Russia, created Windows-independent software

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It is reported about the creation of special software by Russian specialists. RIA News reports that a group of specialists from Tomsk State University together with representatives of the EleSy company became the authors of the domestic software.


In Russia, created Windows-independent software


The material says that we are talking about software that is completely independent of Windows. It is also reported that when creating Russian software, exclusively domestic components were used. What specific components are in question is not reported.

The material states that the new software can be used on critical industrial facilities. In particular, we are talking about enterprises in the nuclear sector, plants of the chemical and petrochemical industries, heat power plants, etc. The software can be designed for automatic control systems for production cycles.

The software complex created by TSU specialists in cooperation with representatives of the said company operates under UNIX-OS control.

The project for the creation of import-independent software that allows the collection, storage and processing of technological data was created with the support of the state. Moreover, the software itself is commercial.

The project cost about 300 million rubles, 150 million of which is a state contribution.

It was noted that presentations have already been held for companies that will act as the first customers of the software.
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  1. MTR theme
    MTR theme 2 May 2019 16: 22
    -58
    Weird! Is mathematics in honor in Tomsk? Are they really paid there more than economists and lawyers?
    1. Fedor egoist
      Fedor egoist 2 May 2019 16: 39
      +6
      It's about software that is completely independent of Windows

      The software package created by TSU specialists in cooperation with representatives of the specified company is running UNIX-OS

      Epic victory! Replacing dependence on one western system with dependence on another western system! We also spent 150 million from the budget ... request
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 2 May 2019 17: 37
        +44
        As far as I know, UNIX (Linux), unlike Windows, has completely open source code. But the question now! Why was the Windows code closed initially? It reminds me of the needle on which we got hooked and can be taken away at one moment and ... then the whole vast system tied to the Windows can crash. This is a weapon! It’s true that they made an independent OS and the processors are also excellent, in the sense they are not designed for Windu ... Bravo and Bis to our developers !!!
        1. SHURUM -BURUM
          SHURUM -BURUM 2 May 2019 18: 44
          -1
          I believe you rejoice early. And what about the drivers. Under all the existing peripherals to the computer and a bunch of modern trinkets, without which life is not nice, drivers and plugins are also developed?
          1. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 2 May 2019 19: 01
            +6
            Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
            ... are drivers and plugins also developed?

            I don’t know that, maybe you know? Since there is an OS, it must be assumed that everything else should also be, albeit with time. Do you agree?
            1. SHURUM -BURUM
              SHURUM -BURUM 2 May 2019 19: 05
              +10
              And which of the developers of the Western household and application programs will give you the open source driver code? For gadgets, printers, and other stuff, you know what I mean? Will you come by trial and error? There are no domestic mice even, at best, a screwdriver assembly.
              1. Tatar 174
                Tatar 174 2 May 2019 19: 11
                +1
                You plus 100500, for the fact that you worry and worry)))
                Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
                will you give the driver open source code?

                Clever men have not yet transferred to Russia, they will write ...
                1. SHURUM -BURUM
                  SHURUM -BURUM 2 May 2019 19: 25
                  -4
                  Saw, Shura, saw ... Saw, there is no other way ...
              2. poquello
                poquello 2 May 2019 19: 32
                +3
                Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
                For gadgets, printers, and other stuff, you know what I mean?

                Yes, nothing, you move the language, Unix compatible drivers are suitable for most branches
                1. SHURUM -BURUM
                  SHURUM -BURUM 2 May 2019 19: 37
                  -1
                  Life will tell ... I think further than writing office memos in state-controlled institutions and at the state expense, things will not work and this will end quietly
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 2 May 2019 19: 45
                    +4
                    Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
                    Life will show..

                    in order to understand that this statement is stupid, life is not required to watch, if there are drivers for open Unix then they can be easily picked up
              3. Qas
                Qas 3 May 2019 05: 49
                +5
                Before we panic, read carefully: "... The article states that the new software can be used at critical industrial facilities. In particular, we are talking about enterprises of the nuclear sector, chemical and petrochemical plants, heat power plants, etc. can be intended for automatic control systems of production cycles ... ".
                This is a narrowly focused specialized OS for managing production processes, although of course you can play it in Tetris.
                Besides, do you think software for her was written in pencil or what? Information input / output devices were used initially.
                And in free sale for ordinary users it will not be.
                1. Sergey Matjushkov
                  Sergey Matjushkov 4 May 2019 07: 59
                  0
                  This is a narrowly focused specialized OS for managing production processes.

                  Not even the OS, but just the software. It may well turn out that it’s not even under nixes, but quite under dos.
              4. ork_333
                ork_333 3 May 2019 08: 20
                +2
                Quote: SHURUM -BURUM
                And which of the developers of the Western household and application programs will give you the open source driver code? For gadgets, printers, and other stuff, you know what I mean? Will you come by trial and error? There are no domestic mice even, at best, a screwdriver assembly.

                In my opinion, repeating about what you do not know is considered bad form. If you were familiar with Unix-based Linux systems, you would not ask such childish questions. And the developers of Western everyday life can shove their code for "gadgets, printers, and other things" into their "Poroshenko's eye".
              5. sogdy
                sogdy 4 May 2019 16: 54
                0
                Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
                And which of the developers of the Western household and application programs will give you the open source driver code?

                And how does the driver depend on the processor?
                Vashcheta, for especially smart, device drivers are SYSTEM-ORIENTED.
            2. Digital error
              Digital error 2 May 2019 21: 51
              +1
              Quote: Tatar 174
              Since there is an OS, it must be assumed that everything else should also be

              I in due time (in order not to take work at home lol ) set yourself Linux. Several years have passed since then, I got used to Linux (I’m not going to install Windows at all), but the compatibility of MS Office and Open Office, as it was, has remained.
              1. Newven
                Newven 3 May 2019 02: 11
                +4
                Quote: DigitalError
                but the compatibility of MS Office and Open Office as it was only announced, and remained
                To do this, there is LibreOffice, a complete replacement for Microsoft office suites and works on all platforms!
                1. Digital error
                  Digital error 3 May 2019 08: 37
                  +2
                  Excel formula in lib still fly off ...
                  1. kytx
                    kytx 4 May 2019 21: 35
                    0
                    at MS Office it happens that it is not compatible with itself
                    different versions
                    although claimed 100% backward compatibility

                    and by sabzh
                    most likely another fork of Linux for a specific hardware and tasks
                    How many have already been ?!
          2. Rzzz
            Rzzz 2 May 2019 21: 14
            +2
            95% of computers are stupid office machines. Drivers for printers and scanners are present; when purchasing new equipment, it is a condition of tender to have drivers available and update for the next 5 years.
            More complicated with accounting computers - there is no software for nix. But here only the manufacturer kick.
            1. bunta
              bunta 3 May 2019 02: 55
              +2
              Quote: rzzz
              More complicated with accounting computers - no software for nix

              there is, just fight with 1
        2. Horse, people and soul
          Horse, people and soul 2 May 2019 19: 17
          +6
          Linux is open source, but not UNIX. UNIX System V is a commercial product.
          1. poquello
            poquello 2 May 2019 19: 50
            +3
            Quote: Horse, people and soul
            Linux is open source, but not UNIX. UNIX System V is a commercial product.

            not really, Linux is an open-core unix, commercial ones are closed unixes, there are open-core ones with their own further architecture, there are assemblies where money is taken for a quality assembly
            1. P12P
              P12P 6 May 2019 23: 03
              0
              don’t talk about what you don’t know - Linux is not Unix, but a completely separate OS that developed under the influence of Unix, as a free replacement for Unix
              1. poquello
                poquello 6 May 2019 23: 04
                0
                Quote: P12P
                don’t talk about what you don’t know - Linux is not Unix, but a completely separate OS that developed under the influence of Unix, as a free replacement for Unix

                super, I take your word for it or bring arguments)
                1. P12P
                  P12P 6 May 2019 23: 54
                  0
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 7 May 2019 01: 48
                    -1
                    )))))))))) and if I draw two boxes, in one I will write DOS, and in the other the SPID and connect them with a dash, for an argument ride?
                    Linux is a clone of Unix
                    1. P12P
                      P12P 7 May 2019 07: 15
                      0
                      everything is clear with you comrade sofa expert
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 7 May 2019 10: 27
                        -2
                        Quote: P12P
                        everything is clear with you comrade sofa expert

                        that is, in fact, you don’t know anything and have nothing to say, but I was thinking about organizing the kernel and let's talk api)))))))
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 2 May 2019 20: 06
            +7
            The quickest way to get a journalist involved is not UNIX-OS, but Unix - a similar axis. Feel the difference.
            1. bolt
              bolt 2 May 2019 21: 22
              +4
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              The quickest way to get a journalist involved is not UNIX-OS, but Unix - a similar axis. Feel the difference.


              You're right. Everything is as usual.

              ... The project manager from the university, director of the Institute of Applied Mathematics and Computer Science of TSU Alexander Zamyatin noted that the software package for creating automated control systems for high-tech industries runs on Unix-like operating systems.


              https://ria.ru/20190502/1553228279.html

              ... One of the advantages of the software package is that it can be developed without any restrictions from third-party manufacturers.


              https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/119613/#cut
        3. Ural-4320
          Ural-4320 2 May 2019 19: 43
          +14
          If you knew the development of operating systems, you would know that no one put anyone on the "Windows needle". She trite won the battle with OS / 2 in the market, while others like Mac, Amiga, Atari, UNIX, BeOS, NextStep worked in their garden. She won in 95, and then the whole world got hooked on it, because it was installed (at least) on any set of hardware, and in the presence of normal drivers, everything flew.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 4 May 2019 16: 59
            -1
            Quote: Ural-4320
            would know that no one put anyone on the "Windows needle". She trite won the battle with OS / 2 in the market

            I apologize, but isn't OS \ 2 written by Microsoft?
            1. kytx
              kytx 4 May 2019 22: 52
              +1
              they began to cooperate with the imbm on the half-axis, then they seized the moment and left the project saying to the guys from the imb "finish it yourself and we will release our developments we already have"

              Ibm did not have to try to close the semi-axis and she would win unconditionally but the managers were greedy, remembering the miracle of the popularity of writing
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 5 May 2019 10: 04
                -2
                IBM series A - and what for it a graphical shell? Operator's place - PC. Engineering location - OS \ 370 maximum. And, I remember, IBM was declared bankrupt in 1982. In the 86th the state was given the "striped IBM" logo. At least 23 IBM plants were sold to MacUSA, 16 plants entered Lenova.
                So talking about cooperation is somewhat incorrect.
                1. P12P
                  P12P 6 May 2019 23: 26
                  +1
                  what nonsense? a set of unrelated phrases, which is a little less than completely nonsense, invented by "IBM series A", some kind of graphical shell, an engineering place for some reason equipped with a 70th mainframe, an invented bankruptcy of one of the leaders of computer technology - a PC manufacturer, MacUSA - googled like a magic congress of North America, 16 factories entered lenovo - generally idiocy, the conversation is about the mid-90s, and not 2003 when the name Lenovo appeared - the author of the comment above is a typical sofa iksperd
                  1. kytx
                    kytx 15 May 2019 22: 56
                    0
                    how the ibm lenovo brand appeared much earlier
                    then it was sold as a separate brand to the Chinese seem
                    about the bankruptcy of ibm in the 80s, I very much doubt they were at the peak then
                    they worked with the military-space industry and with banks and with the state, and in general were in chocolate
                    how in such chocolate you can go bankrupt - I can’t imagine
                    google the story of laziness :)
        4. Polente the Wanderer
          Polente the Wanderer 3 May 2019 03: 04
          +4
          They took a linux system created in the west (based on open source, everyone can change something), turned it into a closed system (for a state account, our taxes) and now they will pair state institutions for large amounts .....
          You don’t buy this system for yourself!
          If you need to install instead of Windows, then there is no problem downloading from the network a completely free linux system
        5. SASHA OLD
          SASHA OLD 3 May 2019 09: 35
          -6
          Quote: Tatar 174
          As far as I know, UNIX (Linux), unlike Windows, has completely open source code.

          Windows this is Linux, only with add-ons, sobsno just like Android - that Linux, with other add-ons
        6. prodd
          prodd 3 May 2019 22: 29
          +4
          Immediately you can see the person "understands"
        7. Sergey Matjushkov
          Sergey Matjushkov 4 May 2019 07: 50
          -2
          The Windows code was closed initially because this is a commercial project and this is normal. The article says about the next BolzhenOS. All "import-wonderful OS" = the next assembly on open nixies, but for the money. And where does the Windows independence and why it is not well understood. There is ReaktOS - an open source OS for running Windows programs.
        8. fsps
          fsps 4 May 2019 10: 08
          0
          About drivers: is it really necessary to have drivers for every little thing? Much more important is the security of data and programs. There are so many cases of hacking control computers - although it is carefully hushed up. For me, the safety of an oil refinery or anti-aircraft missile cannot be compared with the convenience of a game of any kind. Here's what you need - to announce a major bonus for hacking a new OS.
      2. Mikhalych
        Mikhalych 2 May 2019 17: 58
        +22
        Replacing dependence on one western system with dependence on another western system! We also spent 150 million from the budget ...

        Children! hi In the USSR, a very long time ago, when I was a young electronics engineer, there was a language called "Analyst". It was created for the Mir machine and successfully competed with all sorts of Fortrans, Algols used on BESMs. And then in one dark black time the bad guys from IBM came. We praised our people and left. After that, the minister, forgot how he was ... in a word or or a bastard, ordered the Mir program together with Analyst to cover up and develop the Ryad system, the American analogue of IBM, which turned out to be a dead-end link. And in America, using the ideas of "World" and "Analytics", computers, BASICs and other assemblers appeared. Began to develop any software under the Kikuha SOFT. And we started buying them for a lot of money. Here's a fairy tale for you kids for the night. crying
        1. SHURUM -BURUM
          SHURUM -BURUM 2 May 2019 18: 48
          0
          Not quite so easy. Do not forget, Windows developers first proposed and implemented the concept of a "desktop" and it became so successful that it is not even discussed. Otherwise, they would still be killed with the command line.
          1. Horse, people and soul
            Horse, people and soul 2 May 2019 19: 20
            +5
            The Windows Gates desktop stole from Steve Jobs, for which he was personally covered with an American obscene phone.
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 2 May 2019 22: 45
              +6
              Quote: Horse, people and soul
              The Windows Gates desktop stole from Steve Jobs, for which he was personally covered with an American obscene phone.

              well, yes, and that one "stole" from the copier ....
            2. kytx
              kytx 4 May 2019 23: 52
              0
              no
              they both dragged her away from Xerox
              google "presentation of the century"
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 2 May 2019 19: 24
            +11
            Do not forget, Windows developers first proposed and implemented the concept of a "desktop" and it became so successful that it is not even discussed. Otherwise, they would still be killed with the command line.
            The concept of the desktop and windows was used on Macs when the developers of Windows still released MS-DOS release after release.
            1. SHURUM -BURUM
              SHURUM -BURUM 2 May 2019 19: 32
              +1
              Thank you, I didn’t. But I read about the concept of the desktop, when we all worked with the Norton commander. Allegedly preparing such a shell.
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 3 May 2019 08: 13
                0
                Thank you, I didn’t.
                Microsoft has become a leader thanks to the following things:
                1. Pricing policy at first. The price of the MS-DOS package, albeit a clumsy, but full-fledged OS, was very much lower than that of competitors.
                2. The principle of open architecture. A flexible system for attracting all kinds of manufacturers of iron, which could be integrated into the system through drivers. All manufacturers, especially small ones, rushed to integrate their products into the Windows sector. Developers of various software also followed them. It had and has minuses - a glitch. Because of which you have to endlessly patch the OS. But it has pluses - market capture. And the second outweighs by a wide margin.
                This business strategy was revolutionary. The same Apple, with its own hardware and specially written for it by its own software, enviously smokes on the sidelines. Despite the lack of clarity and thoughtfulness of its products.
                Greed: total closeness and horse prices for their products left them aside from the main direction of market development. So they are trying to survive, positioning themselves as an elite category. Not without some success. But in the market of personal computers and software for personal computers, in comparison with the Windows segment they are nobody
                3. At the current stage (last 10-15 years) - competent purchase and theft of everything that is new and useful was developed by third-party market participants. The same concept of a desktop, window interface, mouse manipulator are excellent examples of a Mac-stolen idea.
                1. Sergey Matjushkov
                  Sergey Matjushkov 4 May 2019 08: 12
                  0
                  Microsoft has become a leader thanks to the following things:

                  Forgot to mention going with the ms-dos basic. The language is simple, easy to learn, gives enough opportunities.
          3. poquello
            poquello 2 May 2019 19: 38
            +1
            Quote: SHURUM -BURUM
            Not quite so easy. Do not forget, Windows developers first proposed and implemented the concept of a "desktop" and it became so successful that it is not even discussed. Otherwise, they would still be killed with the command line.

            do not bring nonsense, they are windows and windows - they were offered them, and many people made muzzles for control (although I generally had enough wolves-commander with scripts).
          4. Fat
            Fat 3 May 2019 07: 05
            +2
            Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
            Otherwise, they would still be killed with the command line.

            Talk nonsense. Initially, Windows is just a system shell for MS DOS, not very successful, because as PIF files for DOS programs had to be created in "manual" mode. Before the release of version 3.1, everyone was fine with "Norton Commander", and then they installed 3.1 only for working with MS Office. Windows became the system only in 1995 ... (Windows-95)
        2. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 2 May 2019 18: 55
          +1
          Quote: Mikhalych
          In the USSR, for a very long time, there was a language called "Analyst". It was created for the Mir car

          "Vika" knows something, but very little. Perhaps somewhere that remained in the archives, and maybe classified. And if so, then there may be hope for the "phoenix" bird, maybe where they are doing this now.
          It would be great if !
          PS I "played" in the early 90s on IBM-like EC-kahs in the M86 system, but alone, without support and without my machine, I did little ..
        3. Polente the Wanderer
          Polente the Wanderer 3 May 2019 03: 23
          -1
          dad ...
          Language Analyst (language development ALMIR-65) as well as the computer Mir1,2,3 was created at the Institute of Cybernetics of the Academy of Sciences of the Ukrainian SSR. Glushakov Victor Mikhailovich.
          So even if he moved further, in Russia it would be impossible to use it in our time .....
          We sell frigates (metal boxes) to India because Ukraine does not sell engines to us, the Soviet cooperation ...
          1. Mikhalych
            Mikhalych 3 May 2019 08: 32
            +3

            Wanderer Polente (Wanderer Polente)
            dad ...
            Language Analyst (language development ALMIR-65) as well as the computer Mir1,2,3 was created at the Institute of Cybernetics of the Academy of Sciences of the Ukrainian SSR. Glushakov Victor Mikhailovich.

            Who argues son?
            So even if he moved further, in Russia it would be impossible to use it in our time .....

            And here I do not agree! I mean not only technology, but also politics. If the authorities were not Gorbachev, Yolkins and Chubiks. . . Don’t remind about mushrooms. lol
      3. sir_obs
        sir_obs 2 May 2019 19: 11
        +1
        Epic victory! Replacing dependence on one western system with dependence on another western system! We also spent 150 million from the budget ...


        And where does it say that it is UNIX certified? Rather, it is about Linux, and it, by the way, is unix-like, but it does not have certification from unix, that is, it does not cost money
    2. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 2 May 2019 17: 28
      +12
      Quote: MTR Topic
      Weird! Is mathematics in honor in Tomsk?

      Tomsk VS was always not bad
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    3. Esso
      Esso 2 May 2019 17: 56
      0
      In honor, Tomsk Polytechnic University, Tomsk State. There, both grants and allowances are not bad. Not everything is bad for Sobchak and Navalny there.
    4. Alexvv
      Alexvv 2 May 2019 18: 37
      +5
      Tomsk is one of the scientific capitals of Russia
    5. Maz
      Maz 2 May 2019 18: 45
      +6
      Official,! Hurray, just yesterday I read that Russia paid the Oracle 128 million dollars for software last year. This is only a government order. Without private clients. Can you imagine how many databases and their network support will need to be changed? Who's fooling whom? I don’t understand. In my opinion it smells like another cut ..

      If Oracle completely refuses to work in Russia, a blow will be inflicted on many industries. In favor of this is the fact that last year the sales volume of this company's products to Russian authorities and companies with state participation doubled. According to analysts from Tadviser, government agencies and state-owned companies spent 8,8 billion rubles on Oracle products - the figure was obtained from an analysis of the government procurement site, which also includes the purchase of software by Sberbank for 1,8 billion rubles, which was not published on the portal. It is clear that Oracle alone will not give up Russian billions, but under pressure from the American Congress this could very well happen.
      1. poquello
        poquello 2 May 2019 20: 01
        +3
        Quote: Maz
        Official,! Hurray, just yesterday I read that Russia paid the Oracle 128 million dollars for software

        and they’ll also pay, officials smeared with honey there
      2. fsps
        fsps 4 May 2019 10: 17
        0
        What about sanctions with updates? Especially about hacking.
  2. anakost
    anakost 2 May 2019 16: 27
    +2
    What does mathematics have to do with it? To adapt Linux, it is enough to replace the language tables. And then 300 lard!
    Yes, for this and mana should be Russified.
    1. ultra
      ultra 2 May 2019 16: 38
      +8
      What 300 lard? laughing
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 2 May 2019 17: 10
        0
        Quote: ultra
        What 300 lard? ::

        laughing
      2. ALLxANDr
        ALLxANDr 2 May 2019 17: 34
        +2
        I was also surprised) What lard? Which Linux? What maths?
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 2 May 2019 16: 38
      -7
      Quote: anakost
      What does mathematics have to do with it? To adapt Linux, it is enough to replace the language tables. And then 300 lard!
      Yes, for this and mana should be Russified.

      So what is 300 million rubles? 400 with a penny of thousands of greens. Well, what and what can I say?
      1. Fedor egoist
        Fedor egoist 2 May 2019 17: 16
        +16
        Quote: anakost
        And then 300 lard!

        Spent 300 million. Not billions.
        Quote: Observer2014
        So what is 300 million rubles? 400 with a penny of thousands of green.

        300 million rubles = 4 million dollars. With copecks.
        Quote: anakost
        What does mathematics have to do with it?

        And math is resting, camping laughing
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 2 May 2019 17: 18
          -3
          Fedor Egoist (Fedor)
          And math is relaxing, laughing
          repeat And on holidays, sometimes I’m not observant enough bully
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 2 May 2019 18: 47
            +4
            Quote: Observer2014
            sometimes I’m not observant enough

            Even I think that this is completely absent from you. Everyone has their own characteristics.
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 2 May 2019 18: 48
              -6
              Quote: Irokez
              Quote: Observer2014
              sometimes I’m not observant enough

              Even I think that this is completely absent from you. Everyone has their own characteristics.

              Yes, you generally have a lot of things missing. Come on, and hello to the leader. laughing
              1. Irokez
                Irokez 2 May 2019 18: 55
                +1
                Quote: Observer2014
                That you generally have a lot of things missing.

                For example?
                Hello to the leader

                Nah, I won’t give you my regards, I’ll give it to the leader myself, otherwise you’ll break firewood.
                I think that the word observational should be changed to competent, so it seems to be more suitable.
                1. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 2 May 2019 18: 59
                  -1
                  Quote: Irokez
                  Quote: Observer2014
                  That you generally have a lot of things missing.

                  For example?
                  Hello to the leader

                  Nah, I won’t give you my regards, I’ll give it to the leader myself, otherwise you’ll break firewood.
                  I think that the word observational should be changed to competent, so it seems to be more suitable.

                  Well, if so. Okay. "Redskins" happy holiday! : laughing hi : We won’t break firewood .. Let them grow. Nature needs to be protected drinks Happy holiday to everyone. And until tomorrow hi
                  1. Irokez
                    Irokez 2 May 2019 19: 01
                    +1
                    OK. I will go on chasing the "water of fire" to the leader, but I will go on May 9.
                    1. Observer2014
                      Observer2014 2 May 2019 20: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Irokez
                      OK. I will go on chasing the "water of fire" to the leader, but I will go on May 9.

                      yes Go. Go. Chase. repeat
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 2 May 2019 18: 17
      0
      Quote: anakost
      And then 300 lard!

      Well, it started. Already in 1000 times the digital numbers have been increased.
    4. sir_obs
      sir_obs 2 May 2019 19: 45
      +2
      What does mathematics have to do with it? To adapt Linux, it is enough to replace the language tables. And then 300 lard!


      In Elbrus OS, for example, the kernel is completely rewritten. And this is the only OS that works with Elbrus processors. The rest do not work, from the word at all.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 May 2019 21: 29
        0
        Quote: sir_obs
        The rest do not work, from the word at all.

        Looking at all this, I have one bitter thought ... but after all, once we were, if not the first, then one of the first in the computer industry ...
        For example ... Lukyanov’s computer ...
        A hydraulic integrator is an analog computer designed to solve differential equations, the action of which is based on the flow of water. Created in 1936 by Vladimir Sergeyevich Lukyanov.

        The volume of fluid in a vessel is an integral of the function that describes the flow of fluid into this vessel. If you equip the vessel with a scale graduated, for example, in units of volume, you get a simple integrator of the volumetric flow rate of the liquid. Back in ancient times, clepsydra was invented, which measures time intervals based on the amount of flowing water.

        The first instances of Lukyanov’s integrators were more experimental, made of tin and glass tubes, and each integrator could be used to solve only one problem.

        In the 1930 years, it was the only computer in the USSR to solve partial differential equations [1] [2].

        In 1941, Lukyanov created a hydraulic integrator of a modular design, which made it possible to assemble a machine for solving various problems. Two-dimensional and three-dimensional hydraulic integrators were designed.

        In 1949 — 1955, the NIISCHETMASH Institute developed an integrator in the form of standard unified blocks. In 1955, at the Ryazan plant of calculating and analytical machines, serial production of integrators with the brand name “IGL” (Lukyanov’s hydraulic system integrator) began. Integrators were widely distributed, delivered to Czechoslovakia, Poland, Bulgaria and China. With their help, the calculations of the Karakum Canal projects in the 1940-s, the construction of BAM in the 1970-s were carried out. Hydrointegrators were used in geology, mining, metallurgy, rocket science and other fields.

        Similar devices were used in many organizations and were used until the mid-1980's.
      2. P12P
        P12P 6 May 2019 23: 40
        0
        Well, about the completely rewritten core of the fairy tale, tell someone else - the cost of Debian development (this is what Elbrus OS was called Elbrus after code theft and adaptation for sparc processors and Elbrus)
  3. Karabas
    Karabas 2 May 2019 16: 27
    +20
    The material states that we are talking about software that is completely independent of Windows. It is also reported that the creation of Russian software used exclusively domestic components. What specific components in question, not reported.

    You can not read further. lol
    1. 210ox
      210ox 2 May 2019 16: 47
      +1
      Why are you laughing ... It was quite possible that Russian-made office furniture was used .. Also a component ..
    2. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 2 May 2019 19: 23
      +1
      Russian alphabet, buggagahaha !!!

      laughing
  4. stariy
    stariy 2 May 2019 16: 28
    0
    Why didn’t you write the name?
  5. Cowbra
    Cowbra 2 May 2019 16: 28
    -16
    Ciao, Pinocchio, with all your program bookmarks for nuclear power plants!
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  7. Operator
    Operator 2 May 2019 16: 29
    +11
    Commercial software with 50% state funding?

    Is Windows independent software dependent on Western UNIX?

    Steeper only eggs from Tomsk agro-industry laughing
    1. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 2 May 2019 19: 25
      0
      The author, apparently, does not make a difference between Linux and UNIX ...

      laughing
    2. sir_obs
      sir_obs 3 May 2019 03: 17
      +1
      dependent on western UNIX?


      Do you even know what you're broadcasting? How does it depend on Nyx? Linux has nothing to do with Unix in terms of certification and copyright.
  8. armata_armata
    armata_armata 2 May 2019 16: 32
    +10

    The material says that we are talking about software that is completely independent of Windows. It is also reported that when creating Russian software exclusively domestic components were used

    the complex is running UNIX-OS

    Speak exclusively Russian wink
  9. NF68
    NF68 2 May 2019 16: 36
    +1
    It was high time to do so.
  10. Klingon
    Klingon 2 May 2019 16: 40
    +12
    Yes, well, well, sawed Unix for themselves what's new? What exactly did you create yourself? where exactly is the new axis? Now, if you took and compiled everything from scratch, including the kernel, then you could talk about a new OS. and so much * new * can be cut just by releasing new distributions of the same Linux
    1. Genry
      Genry 2 May 2019 18: 16
      +1
      Quote: Klingon
      where exactly is the new axis?

      In your wet dreams. You yourself composed - you posed the question yourself. But where was it written about the new OS? Brains do not absorb new information?
      It just says that they created software (for managing equipment ...) that works without a holey Windows.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 2 May 2019 19: 14
        -2
        your dreams are probably wet and put your brains in yourselves, you feel sawdust there. learn politeness and communication culture first
  11. Top Gun
    Top Gun 2 May 2019 16: 44
    +5
    Quote: MTR theme
    Weird! Is mathematics in honor in Tomsk? Are they really paid there more than economists and lawyers?


    ))) What's that))) In the Stavropol Research Institute of Sheep Breeding, goat breeding! "developed" Ivan OS. 40 lamas of state money ($ 700 thousand). True, when such an "OS" became interested, it turned out to be a banal fork of forked forks from versions already developed a long time ago, based on the Linux kernel (tm)))) In general, another BolgenOS)))
    Apparently, lately, imitating the stormy activity in honor of the "import substitution" that has set the teeth on edge, all government agencies rushed to rewrite and repaint the nameplates of OS, equipment, etc., etc. Such clownery cause nothing but laughter.
    1. priboy57
      priboy57 2 May 2019 16: 53
      -4
      If during the rewriting and repainting of the nameplates ALL bookmarks were torn out, then we can already assume that the money was spent not in vain and we have OWN.
      1. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM 2 May 2019 18: 56
        +1
        Wow, bookmarks! Yes, at the next update of Windows you will put a hundred new pieces, and at one important point, when necessary, after the next update, Windows will restart and leave you silently, in English.
    2. Sergey Matjushkov
      Sergey Matjushkov 4 May 2019 08: 20
      0
      The most interesting import substitution is virtualization, they took an open KVM, which is part of the Nyx kernel, came up with licensing for rabid grandmas (greedy VMWare nervously smokes on the sidelines). And what? Almost the only option for import-substituted virtualization is bought anyway.
  12. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 2 May 2019 16: 46
    +3
    The material stated that the new software can be used at critical industrial facilities
    the zhurnalyugi who bore me write about what they themselves can’t do with a foot, the news is about nothing.
    what kind of program, "warehouse", software for the machine, just a toy? !!!!
    1. Polymer
      Polymer 2 May 2019 17: 31
      +2
      The software may be intended for automatic production control systems.

      Automated control system - for example, I understand what it is. UNIX is an open source OS, as far as I know. How suitable such an automated control system is, I do not know, but if it is practically workable, then the money is not in vain spent.
      1. Horse, people and soul
        Horse, people and soul 2 May 2019 19: 27
        +2
        It is open source Linux, but UNIX is a commercial product.
        1. Kuroneko
          Kuroneko 2 May 2019 20: 30
          +1
          Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
          but UNIX is a commercial product

          Not all. FreeBSD, for example, is still a free UNIX system. There is no GNU GPL, but anyway, you can use the code freely. The main difference - the Fryukha license also allows proprietary developments.
          Unlike the GNU LGPL, which requires source code disclosure, the BSD license is simpler and more unpretentious, requiring only mention of borrowing, authorship and disclaimer of liability (you cannot send users of your product to the authors of the borrowed code).
          The BSD license allows you to keep trade secrets when modifying FreeBSD for embedded systems and to produce other derivative proprietary systems, which makes FreeBSD attractive to the industry.

          FreeBSD once contained some of the proprietary UNIX code, yes (and the courts have been on this with Bell AT&T). But with the titanic efforts of many enthusiastic programmers around the world, we got rid of these pieces of code by writing our own.
          1. Horse, people and soul
            Horse, people and soul 2 May 2019 20: 36
            -2
            FreeBSD, for example, is still a free UNIX system


            Not a UNIX system, but a UNIX-like system.

            hi

            FreeBSD is FreeBSD, and UNIX System V is a registered trademark.

            You can make a "Zaporozhets" about four wheels, with a gasoline engine and a round steering wheel, but it will not be a "Mercedes", although it also drives.
            1. Kuroneko
              Kuroneko 2 May 2019 20: 41
              +2
              Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
              FreeBSD is FreeBSD, and UNIX is a registered trademark.

              Explore the history of the creation and development of FreeBSD, my advice to you. It was at Bell AT&T that it was created, by its individual employees (picked up by Berkeley). And AT&T is exactly what Unix's father is. And above I supplemented my post about the fact that now all proprietary from Fryukha has long been cleaned out.
              Well, here's to read: https://vds-admin.ru/freebsd/operatsionnaya-sistema-freebsd
              https://www.freebsd.org/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/handbook/history.html
              1. Horse, people and soul
                Horse, people and soul 2 May 2019 20: 46
                +1
                This only confirms that there is UNIX System V, and there are UNIX-like systems of different genealogies.

                hi

                You can make a UNIX-like system, but you can’t use the word UNIX in its name under patent law.

                You can't put a Mercedes nameplate on the Zaporozhets.
                1. Kuroneko
                  Kuroneko 2 May 2019 20: 49
                  +3
                  (Free) BSD is UNIX. In the same way, various Linux builds / distributions do not cease to be Linux. = _ = Here is BSD = / = Linux (not equal), for example.
                  PS In response to your change in the post: the essence of "how you call the boat" does not change. Well, the same proprietary Solaris is Unix. But for some reason it's called Solaris, ne?
                  1. Horse, people and soul
                    Horse, people and soul 2 May 2019 21: 11
                    +1
                    We are talking about different things, friend.

                    You are about the origin of the OS, and I'm about patent law. No UNIX system has the word UNIX in its name, even though it is BSD, or Xenix. There is sometimes only a hint of UNIX.
                    1. Kuroneko
                      Kuroneko 2 May 2019 21: 16
                      +1
                      Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
                      You are about the origin of the OS, and I'm about patent law.

                      Those. about literacy in the terminal stage. You understand very well that Fryukha is Unix blood from blood, but argue in order to argue (and prove to someone on the Internet that he is wrong ... well, or at least avoid the opposite outcome). Okay.
                      There, a little lower, I threw a peak on Unix systems. You can see for yourself that UNIX as such at the moment no longer exists even purely literally, by name.
                2. Kuroneko
                  Kuroneko 2 May 2019 21: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
                  You can't put a Mercedes nameplate on the Zaporozhets.

                  By the way, the analogy is incorrect. Rather, on one more "Merce" they hung the nameplate "Abibas" (and threw out all the expensive nafig, purely on show-off "exclusive"). But from this he did not cease to be a Merc. Yes, there are some changes in the interior and appearance. But all the critical hardware is the same, and it works just as well.
                  Here's another little diagram of what Unix is ​​free in the world and what is not.
                  1. Horse, people and soul
                    Horse, people and soul 2 May 2019 21: 17
                    0
                    A beautiful table clearly demonstrates what UNIX System 5 is and what UNIX-like relatives are.

                    hi

                    Not every herring fish, but every herring is fish.
                    1. Kuroneko
                      Kuroneko 2 May 2019 21: 18
                      0
                      Okay, I already answered you above.
                      I don’t see any sense in transferring from empty to empty.
                      What I wanted to say, I said a long time ago. = _ =
                      And these are not relatives, but DIRECT DEVELOPMENT primordial Unix.
                      Not every herring fish, but every herring is fish.

                      If it was said about Linux - I agree. Linux is a Unix-like system, but NOT Unix. This is a parallel development based on similar principles. BSDshki is Unix.
                      1. Horse, people and soul
                        Horse, people and soul 2 May 2019 21: 40
                        0
                        Dear friend, if I participated in the development of UNIX System V, and then continued to do the same in another office, then my new product could not have been UNIX, since it is a registered trademark and it remained the property of my past office. Without any difference, I took the codes with me from there, or even ensured continuity.

                        hi
                      2. Top Gun
                        Top Gun 3 May 2019 01: 01
                        +3
                        Very few here know that Linux is a trademark (TM)))) And that the rights to it belong to Linus Torvalds)))
  13. Top Gun
    Top Gun 2 May 2019 16: 51
    0
    Quote: Klingon
    Now, if you took and compiled everything from scratch, including the kernel, then you could talk about a new OS


    Recompile a lot of mind is not necessary) But the source code! Carl, he's worth a horn. Millions of hours of work and many lards of evergreen presidents.
  14. Thrifty
    Thrifty 2 May 2019 16: 53
    +7
    This is such an unfortunate joke - to take Linux as a basis, and, on its basis, creating software, shout that it is "Completely Russian" ??? fool There can only be our antivirus and crypto protection, and, given the fact that the SDK, like the Linux software itself, is good for that protection. .. You need to create your own software completely, from scratch, and the source must also be ours! And it should work ONLY on Russian hardware!
    1. vvnab
      vvnab 2 May 2019 21: 01
      +1
      Well, at least kill, I don’t understand why I need YOUR OS? Do you need your own math with chemistry? Windows is evil, of course, but what did linux or BSD clones do not please? Creating your own general-purpose operating system in the modern world is a waste of resources, no more.
  15. Top Gun
    Top Gun 2 May 2019 16: 55
    -2
    Quote: Thrifty
    And it should work ONLY on Russian hardware!


    Where is it ?!
  16. Top Gun
    Top Gun 2 May 2019 16: 59
    +1
    Quote: priboy57
    we have our OS.


    The fact of the matter is that there is nothing OWN))), even in this case there will be nothing. In ANY case, this is a loan and if you violate the GNU license, in the case of linux, the most banal PLAGIAT! ))) You read the licenses there (GNU, BSD, Apache, MPL) you will learn a lot for yourself)))
  17. Top Gun
    Top Gun 2 May 2019 17: 07
    -3
    Quote: Barmaleyka
    software for the machine


    I doubt very much that for the PLC (and this is just the basis) of the machine, such OS-writers will write an RTOS.
  18. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 2 May 2019 17: 08
    +3
    Gone from Windows to Linux, spending 300 million rubles and calling ...

    The material states that we are talking about software that is completely independent of Windows. Also reported that when creating Russian software exclusively domestic components were used. What specific components in question, not reported.

  19. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 2 May 2019 17: 09
    +3
    This, most likely, is about SCADA systems .. Independent software is being sawed in Penza ...
    1. xonix
      xonix 3 May 2019 19: 46
      0
      created an analogue of MasterSCADA?
  20. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 2 May 2019 17: 11
    +3
    It is also reported that when creating Russian software were used exclusively domestic components.

    The software package created by TSU specialists in cooperation with representatives of the specified company is managed by UNIX-OS.

    Get out of the "homeland".
    Moreover, the software itself is commercial.

    And who would doubt it?
  21. asv363
    asv363 2 May 2019 17: 14
    +4
    "This is a completely domestic import-substituting product that allows you to collect, process and store production and technological data, to solve the problems of planning, distribution and control of the production process. in real time, perform other technological functions ", - the words of Zamyatin are quoted in the message of the university.

    https://ria.ru/20190502/1553228279.html
    It is the work in real time that is important for the objects of the HIF, it is not difficult to write the next "windows". By the way, the manufacturers of RTS are very closely monitoring their market, without a scandal, something simply cannot be rewritten. For the same nuclear power plants, there have long been domestic developers of the corresponding subsystems responsible for safety. Until recently, our systems were installed at Ukrainian nuclear power plants; after 2014, a number of units were replaced with Westinghouse hardware and software.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 2 May 2019 18: 53
      +1
      Who would have doubted: there are such people, and in Kiev, the majority, for whom made in USA is a quality guarantee. Another thing is that it is not the equipment of Ukrainian NPPs that is "friends" with Westengauz
      1. asv363
        asv363 2 May 2019 19: 20
        0
        Everything is getting worse - they decided to increase the power to 107% of the nominal. Only even in this mode we are in trial operation at the Balakovo NPP. Justifications then they write to themselves, and the result?
    2. P12P
      P12P 6 May 2019 23: 42
      0
      most likely it is for QNX
  22. Top Gun
    Top Gun 2 May 2019 17: 24
    -2
    Quote: asv363
    writing the next "windows" is easy


    Did you mean to make another fork on linux? So yes, even schoolchildren cope with this. With real windows (Windows) does not work, ReactOS is an example.
    1. asv363
      asv363 2 May 2019 18: 44
      +1
      ICS software for power facilities has nothing to do with Windows. Windows can be used in the administrative building and at a number of workstations, as a convenient OS for using Western settlement codes and visualization and data analysis programs. As a last resort, as top-level software. Or do you think that the signal for the operation of the AZ (PZ, PZ-2) when the parameters are exceeded from the ICMS or ACNP is given through Windows?
      1. Top Gun
        Top Gun 2 May 2019 19: 55
        +1
        Yes, I did not say anything about the operation of Windows in RTOS mode))) Although there are many examples when NT-based operating systems worked in "soft" real time and in Windows itself they allowed this, but not GUARANTEED correct work. A prime example of this are numerous DAWs for recording, along with Linux. Naturally, because of this, it is not suitable for critical processes, especially with "hard" Windows, however it does not pretend to be, because it is an OS wide application. To do this, there are other operating systems that are specifically tailored for GUARANTEED "hard" real time. Although they can be listed on one hand. Actually, the Linux kernel in "hard" mode is used with reservations, since it is not intended for this.
  23. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 2 May 2019 17: 24
    0
    Quote: anakost
    What does mathematics have to do with it? To adapt Linux, it is enough to replace the language tables. And then 300 lard!
    Yes, for this and mana should be Russified.

    However, the legacy of Popandopula is visible. You-yourself-me .... Walking around not to notice a thousandfold increase.
    And what? If he signs the notes himself, then the trill can be swung.
  24. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 2 May 2019 17: 27
    +1
    Quote: Top Gun
    Quote: asv363
    writing the next "windows" is easy


    Did you mean to make another fork on linux? So yes, even schoolchildren cope with this. With real windows (Windows) does not work, ReactOS is an example.

    So do not rush, think and give up your own assumption. Since it’s impossible to do it with Windows, they probably didn’t?
    Or it was important to speak out. More important than thinking first?
    1. Top Gun
      Top Gun 2 May 2019 17: 47
      +1
      Windows are windows, windows are windows. So understandable? It is funny when they substitute concepts without even thinking about words. By the way, window managers are already higher than the roof in open source software, but as you don’t write and call them, they copy Windows. Or rather, not even Windows, but the OS from Xerox (The Xerox Star). 1981 year.

  25. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 2 May 2019 17: 41
    +2
    From reading this note, you might get the impression that a new UNIX-like operating system has been created. And in the original note from RIA Novosti it is generally awful: "The first software that is completely independent of Windows was created in Russia" ... laughing What kind of "genius" you have to be to write such a thing ?! It is good that the local anonymous author did not repeat this. But I was too lazy to simply search for primary sources in Yandex. A simple search reveals that we are talking about a system for collecting and analyzing technological data, which runs under UNIX-like operating systems. This is normal. 300 million is gorgeous. Someone will build a summer cottage, or even drive there in a good car. It is good if it is a scientist or engineer or programmer or student or graduate student, and not an effective "manager". Tomsk University is pretentious, although no scientific achievements are recalled from it.
  26. Wahler
    Wahler 2 May 2019 17: 42
    +2
    Yeah. Topwar has become anti-Russian if you read the comments. And so everyone is passionate about hain and discussing who how much and where! Everyone's eyes are burning.))) Did you read the last line? "software" And you're in the jungle. A program for nuclear power plants should cost less than Photoshop. I'm not talking about the personal cost of monthly or annual maintenance.
    1. Top Gun
      Top Gun 2 May 2019 23: 29
      +1
      Well, as anti-Russian ... rather anti-Soviet))) Note, not in all topics I "hau". I'm sick of hearing delirium about another series of "continuous victories", which, in fact, turn out to be, as in the days of the Soviet Union, a banal borrowing of other people's technologies, accompanied by the triumphant cries of people in this, to put it mildly not cutting, under the sauce of "import substitution" Approximately when I was told that the 580 microprocessor kit is exclusively OUR, like many other things, only after a rather short period of time this suggestion turned out to be FALSE. Cognitive dissonance: In general, there is a lot to be said about this topic. And mind you, not in all topics I "hayu". The worst thing is that it looks like the times of poor "soviets" are returning without taking ANYTHING good, taking only the worst.
  27. Yegorchik
    Yegorchik 2 May 2019 17: 46
    -3
    President is still Vova Putin and Prime Minister Medvedev? Then the news is not worth a damn, just someone drank the loot.
  28. Kaw
    Kaw 2 May 2019 17: 46
    +4
    Here recently there was an article about our military drone Orlan-10. So, there is Windows 7 on the control panel.

    1. Genry
      Genry 2 May 2019 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: Kaw
      So, there is Windows 7 on the control panel.

      And I have Vin777
  29. midshipman
    midshipman 2 May 2019 17: 51
    +4
    Back in the Elbrus computer in the 80s we had our own software. This computer was produced in Zagorsk (Ministry of Radio Industry of the USSR). There was a department at the Academy of Defense Industries, which trained officers to work on this computer. "Elbrus" stood at the command post of all branches of the armed forces of the USSR.
    1. Kaw
      Kaw 2 May 2019 20: 07
      +2
      And then, those who designed this Elbrus got a job at Intel Corporation and made a Pentium-3 processor on the basis of Elbrus (if I'm not mistaken).
      He is because the Pentium, because the name of one of the developers is Pentkovsky.
      1. Marat79
        Marat79 2 May 2019 20: 26
        +2
        Not a developer, but a defector who stole intellectual property into Intel in the form of the achievements of the Lebedev Institute. With this Jew was another with an Armenian surname. And the MCST, which was formed from the employees of the same institute, developed an Intel itanium processor
        1. Kaw
          Kaw 2 May 2019 20: 51
          +2
          So they, in my opinion, are now working on "two camps" here (they continue to develop Elbrus) and at Intel. Some semi-defectors. smile
  30. Plague doctor
    Plague doctor 2 May 2019 17: 56
    -7
    Is it really possible for us to create something better than Tetris laughing
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 2 May 2019 19: 11
      +3
      So tertris so our software and then it began to copy and imitate. Take a pill for memory or knowledge, we can let go of the chronic plague.
  31. pepel
    pepel 2 May 2019 17: 58
    0
    I wonder when Windows can be replaced on a home computer !? laughing
    1. aries2200
      aries2200 2 May 2019 18: 20
      +3
      NEVER or if the processor with a different architecture .. elbrus for example, but it’s the best atlon 10 years ago
  32. 3vs
    3vs 2 May 2019 18: 11
    +6
    Article from sdelanounas.ru:
    sdelanounas.ru/blogs/119613/#cut

    Most likely, we are talking about the development of JSC "EleSi"
    SCADA Infinity is a software-tool complex for the implementation of automated process control systems.
    elesy.ru/scada-infinity/description.aspx

    For SCADA Infinity to function, one of the licensed operating systems of the Windows family (Russian or English version) is required:
    Windows 2008 Server R2 (x64);
    Windows 2012 Server R2 (x64);
    Windows 7 (x64 / x86);
    Windows 8 (x64 / x86);
    Windows 10 (x64 / x86).

    It seems that just with the help of Tomsk State University she was ported to linkus.
    1. bunta
      bunta 2 May 2019 19: 04
      +1
      Quote: 3vs
      It seems that just with the help of Tomsk State University she was ported to linkus.

      for 300 lyamov? !!! there is no cross on them. And a striped robe.
      1. 3vs
        3vs 2 May 2019 19: 07
        +1
        And this is already to Comrade Kudrin, he is our chief inspector of budget spending ...
  33. aries2200
    aries2200 2 May 2019 18: 18
    +2
    artistic whistle .. give a report that state structures have switched to domestic software ... this is news !!! and so we already have the best digital zenith on the planet ... and the Elbrus processor - in terms of speed, already "left" in the 23rd century .... DREC NEWS!
    1. Top Gun
      Top Gun 2 May 2019 18: 32
      +2
      Quite right. A processor with a completely different command system also needs its own software, which, as it turns out, is not used anywhere, including by developers. Therefore, the translator is "brilliantly" nailed down and, as a result, the "super" processor turns into a vegetable)))
      1. spectr
        spectr 2 May 2019 22: 35
        0
        Our software is a legend. There are two opposite factors and, for example, I cannot imagine how to overcome them. If they give good money for development, they usually flow to the "sawmills", and the output is a piece of work based on Unix-systems (or for it).
        If there is not enough money, then there is a chance that the work can get to a normal developer (since the sawmills will no longer take it), but at the same time a strong "twisting of hands" begins and as a result, either a very crude product or nothing else is produced.
        1. Top Gun
          Top Gun 3 May 2019 00: 24
          +2
          How did the "stupid" Americans manage to create Silicon Valley? It means that not so much the coolest of all the Russian Federation, even on this site, among the urya-patriots. This means that their politics and economics are more effective than in the Russian Federation. Sometimes it's better to admit the obvious and draw conclusions from the obvious than throwing poop.
          1. spectr
            spectr 3 May 2019 13: 17
            +1
            It's dangerous to confess. Some may then lose their positions. In our country, despite the attempt at capitalism, too much remains of the command-administrative system, which allows "complete zero" to occupy a managerial position.
            1. Top Gun
              Top Gun 3 May 2019 13: 45
              +1
              Under state capitalism, drawing numbers and simulating violent activity is in the order of things. Make exemplary Potemkin villages, due to the vast number of other villages, in order to get more resources from the same opera too))) As a result, it suits everyone at the top. The leader, having overlooked such villages, is glad that everything is fine and fine with him, the boyars and princes receive loot))) Only those who are lower in the feed chain of such a mmm live worse and worse, outside such villages. At least 100500 times tell them about staples and patriotism. And this I still do not take into account the trade over the hill with all sorts of nishtyaks from underground. It seems that the people have every right to them, but actually sees a big muzzle. And on this subject, the leaders generally prefer to remain silent in a rag.
  34. T.Henks
    T.Henks 2 May 2019 18: 19
    -2
    All will soon agree on the abolition of the movement of electrons with holes in semiconductors. This will be a breakthrough!
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  36. Alexvv
    Alexvv 2 May 2019 18: 36
    -1
    All the same, all-crawlers will whine in the comments
    1. 3vs
      3vs 2 May 2019 19: 01
      +3
      Yes, no one is whining.
      It's just time to learn how to tell the truth!
      We have our own, of course:
      KOMPAS-3D, 1C, Kaspersky antiviruses, Doctor Web, DBMS Linter, the same Far, Rar, 7Zip ..

      With their operating systems at the level of workstations and servers tight,
      resources here must be invested unmeasured!
      That's why they use Linux as a basis and make its version.

      Kaspersky makes its entire system for equipment and process control systems,
      The on-board software of the Su-35 is triple as completely its own.
      PTS DOS from Fizteh-software.

      Another thing is suggestive - large open source projects mainly from
      States, or those who created such a project are leaving the States, as many talented programmers as there have left.
      The question is what needs to be done in Russia so that the same projects begin to appear in Russia and
      people wanted to work here!
  37. vladcub
    vladcub 2 May 2019 18: 41
    +3
    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: anakost
    And then 300 lard!

    Well, it started. Already in 1000 times the digital numbers have been increased.

    Someone used to count on lard and blunders to him is not a figure?
  38. rocket757
    rocket757 2 May 2019 18: 56
    +2
    It's cool to argue about the taste of bananas with those who ate them!
    Infa consider and not, so journalistic fabrications, there is nothing to argue about.
    It’s clear what needs to be done, it’s clear that there is nothing to do, and it will be even more expensive to implement!
    It is clear that the boom of praising / criticizing when it really appears. And now what is the argument? What and how did the journalist mess up?
  39. Marat79
    Marat79 2 May 2019 18: 59
    +3
    As I understand it, this software for the Elbrus architecture and Linux kernel, which was rewritten to work on it. Well, if the source code is rewritten, then such an environment is obviously much safer than Windows
    1. tuts
      tuts 2 May 2019 19: 16
      0
      with what joy is open source safer than closed source?
      Any useful open source software module developed by the CIA / MI6 / Mossad will be included in it after a minimum study.

      PS It’s quite problematic to figure out someone else’s code; sometimes it’s easier to rewrite the module again
      1. Genry
        Genry 2 May 2019 19: 26
        +2
        Quote: tots
        Any useful open source software module developed by the CIA / MI6 / Mossad will be included in it after a minimum study.

        How will you implement this module into a secure system (repeatedly licked)?
        1. tuts
          tuts 2 May 2019 20: 03
          0
          will be implemented by publishing / or direct sending to source developers
          Understand that it is almost impossible to analyze the volume of more than 50000 lines of code, 0-days vulnerabilities are constantly published (such and such holes were closed)
          Safe software does not exist. With open source software, the problem is that there are few verified security specialists and many schoolchildren / students
          1. Genry
            Genry 2 May 2019 20: 44
            +1
            Quote: tots
            will be implemented by publishing / or direct sending to source developers

            What is it like? Like a letter: "insert our virus into your code after the line number ...."
            Quote: tots
            Safe software does not exist. With open source software, the problem is that there are few verified security specialists and many schoolchildren / students

            Judge by yourself? And punctuation marks - and so it is clear .....
            1. tuts
              tuts 2 May 2019 22: 48
              0
              I'll try using an example to make it simpler
              you see the publication
              https://codelab.ru/source/csharp/gui_controls_logging/
              and you say: damn cool it works, and insert it into your project
              and not one antivirus will not tell you that some method is inserted with the public access modifier, but with private, and all potential vulnerability in your project
              PS (and if you use late binding, then you don’t even care about the access modifier, then generally the beauty comes)

              About schoolchildren and students, it's me who envy me to grow and grow, find and use backdoors and various winlockers, they have learned very competently
              1. Genry
                Genry 2 May 2019 23: 07
                0
                Quote: tots
                and not one antivirus will tell you that some method is inserted with the public access modifier,

                You famously wrote about antivirus ....
                They would have remembered something like PVS-Studio ....
                1. tuts
                  tuts 2 May 2019 23: 22
                  +1
                  Yes, I composed everything. We are talking about different things. Use opensourse do not think about anything, it is verified is completely safe and all that. You are well done
                  PS I hope you have enough punctuation marks ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
      2. Top Gun
        Top Gun 2 May 2019 20: 00
        +3
        I totally agree. It is simply impossible to check the existing OS for bookmarks even with the use of sorts. It is from here that various vulnerabilities of 20-30 years ago constantly pop up in Linux. Contrary to Stallman, who asserted about "millions of eyes" who can easily calculate such an outrage.
      3. Marat79
        Marat79 2 May 2019 20: 28
        +3
        What makes you think that the kernel code for elbrus is OPEN? no one has any idea what they did to him using the Linux kernel as a basis.
  40. vladcub
    vladcub 2 May 2019 19: 11
    +3
    Like 2/3 of comrades in these OS, I understand geometry like a ram, thank God we have hooked ourselves with our own, and not with import.
    As it turned out, we switched to Windows (the floor of the world sits on it), not right now and here to figure it out, but that they created (if true) an independent Windows system that is good.
    I'm not sure about the truth, but I heard that the Chinese are also creating Linex for themselves
    1. Top Gun
      Top Gun 2 May 2019 20: 32
      +4
      I doubt that you will manage your own, at least in wide access. One way or another, it was a rewritten pagan bourgeois software, Russified to insanity.
  41. tuts
    tuts 2 May 2019 19: 13
    -1
    You are woodpeckers (a group of specialists from Tomsk State University, together with representatives of EleSy.) What is software independent of Windiws? The answer is any software on Android Unex, Solaris, Macs. The task is to create a similar functionality. convenience and compatiblecnb software that will work under Linux (Domestic Linux such as Alt-Linux or Astra-linux)
  42. Beholder
    Beholder 2 May 2019 19: 14
    +1
    Windows-independent software in the Russian Federation is currently a typewriter. The rest cut money.
  43. Top Gun
    Top Gun 2 May 2019 19: 29
    +2
    Quote: vladcub
    half the world sits on it


    Tyuyuyuyuyu ... half the world ... almost 90%. on desktops.
  44. APASUS
    APASUS 2 May 2019 20: 06
    +2
    Independent software, and everything else is Cisco hardware, so what good. Although of course the process has gone, I must admit. Maybe we’ll start making network equipment and then ................... .
  45. Top Gun
    Top Gun 2 May 2019 20: 08
    +4
    Quote: Genry
    How will you implement this module into a secure system (repeatedly licked)?


    Why are they constantly finding various vulnerabilities in your "safe" and "cleaned-up" systems ?! Never asked such a question ?! In fact, there are NO completely secure systems! Any real computer security expert will tell you this.
  46. Tomich3
    Tomich3 2 May 2019 20: 20
    +2
    "EleSy" is a rotten company that constantly evades taxes. I think so: TSU received a grant for 150 cartoons + "EleSy" "invested" in 150 cartoons. In fact, the grant was cut into 150 cartoons, "EleSi" and this grant and its "invested" 150 million cashed out through "one-day". We hired IT specialists for 300 thousand, who finished Linux and created a type of "domestic OS". That's all)). This has long been practiced in Tomsk.
    1. Marat79
      Marat79 2 May 2019 20: 30
      -1
      Everything can be but not a fact
    2. bunta
      bunta 2 May 2019 20: 33
      +2
      OS is unlikely. They say they ported the finished application. It really will cost 300 000. Once he himself participated in such a scam as an IT specialist. But then we got five percent.
  47. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 2 May 2019 20: 35
    +1
    UNIX OS

    All further without comment ... wink
  48. hobot
    hobot 2 May 2019 21: 23
    +3
    A group of developers worked to translate free Linux into the right direction - they did the job, well done, got a salary, and the remaining 299 lyam remained in the middleman chain. And this is already part of the system.
    1. japs
      japs 2 May 2019 22: 07
      -1
      Sees some kind of Rogozo-Nano-Skolkovo cut. Muddy information about nothing. So software or OS?
      The journalist, apparently, was not privy to the intricacies or he simply did not "enter".
  49. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 2 May 2019 23: 05
    +1
    Quote: Top Gun
    Windows are windows, windows are windows. So understandable? It is funny when they substitute concepts without even thinking about words. By the way, window managers are already higher than the roof in open source software, but as you don’t write and call them, they copy Windows. Or rather, not even Windows, but the OS from Xerox (The Xerox Star). 1981 year.


    Well, if the copyists are the whole world, then why the hell are we shy? Or do you desire without fail, purely yours? But is it necessary? Somehow in my life I have never met people who deliberately threw a wheel and carrying hundred-ton loads on a stretcher. In droves. Maybe they are smart? Or uneducated? Explain.
    Old invention? Under armpits? But how does Euclidean geometry not press? A calendar with 12 months?
    1. Top Gun
      Top Gun 2 May 2019 23: 35
      0
      Quote: Vkd dvk
      tary invention? Under armpits? But how does Euclidean geometry not press? A calendar with 12 months?


      Well then, how ...))) You did designate the geometry by name! Charles, And the calendar has an official name - Gregorian. So say that after that your, dear, "import-substituting", with ALL the names of the authors))) In our case, with all open source software licenses))) With the offices from which you borrowed technology, naklav on their rights, and if you imposed a large a bunch of rights, then just write in small text))) Just out of decency.
  50. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 2 May 2019 23: 22
    +2
    Quote: Tartar 174
    As far as I know, UNIX (Linux), unlike Windows, has completely open source code. But the question now! Why was the Windows code closed initially? It reminds me of the needle on which we got hooked and can be taken away at one moment and ... then the whole vast system tied to the Windows can crash. This is a weapon! It’s true that they made an independent OS and the processors are also excellent, in the sense they are not designed for Windu ... Bravo and Bis to our developers !!!

    OSes can be blinded quickly enough and in Martian language. But who will use it and how many trillions of dough do you need to spend on developing trillions of programs, applied and other properties? Working in the midst of this idiocy? How to bind peripheral devices that understand this strictly individual programmer? Do EVERYTHING yours? Can. But this will mean that we will voluntarily move to the world of Neanderthals and mammoths.