The very "Kiraly" and his worthy heirs

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Submachine gun: yesterday, today, tomorrow.

How did the Kirali submachine guns differ from all the others? Now that we have sufficiently met history this species weapons and its features, let's take a small “step to the side” and look at that “Kiraly”, well, how can it be without it ... Because this sample of the creative thought of its creator is to a certain extent a trend, and a very significant one.



Not Hungarian at all, but Swiss!


Interestingly, the history of this submachine gun, like many others, we note this, began in the 1931 year, but not in Hungary, but in Switzerland. The fact is that at this time the commander of the Swiss Guard of the Vatican addressed the Swiss company Schweizerishe Industrie-Gesellshaft with an order for the development of a submachine gun, which this guard would have to arm. Three years of work, and in 1934, the SIG MKMS submachine gun appeared, and immediately there was a problem how to recoup the costs of its development and fabrication. After all, the Vatican Guard needed all 200 copies of a new weapon, whereas in order to recoup it, it was necessary to sell no less than 1000. However, the vaunted Swiss quality has done its job. Something was sold to the Finns, but the largest party, just over a thousand pp, was bought from the company by the army of the puppet state of Menjiang - created by the Japanese for their own convenience in Inner Mongolia.

The very "Kiraly" and his worthy heirs

Submachine gun Kiraly "Danuviya" 39M.


And so it was to his majesty the occasion that among those who worked on the new submachine gun was also the engineer from Hungary, Pal Kiraly. In 1937, he returned home, conjured a little over the drawings of the well-known ZIG, and eventually received a submachine gun, which he offered to the Danubia plant in Budapest.

The main thing - increased fire power!


It should be noted here that since the guard of the Vatican was not large, its fighters did not have sense to arm themselves with a rifle and a submachine gun. They simply did not have those auxiliary units that, according to the tradition of that time, would be armed with them. They needed something one thing, and quite a long-range, rapid-fire, multiply charged, and also easier rifles. That is, a weapon suitable "for all occasions" just for them - the papal guardsmen. That is, there was a specific order for a specific military unit, and it quite specifically embodied in the metal. And that is why a long barrel (50 cm) and a magazine for 40 cartridges were installed at SIG. However, the long barrel immediately demanded automation, providing a sufficient time delay for the bullet to fly from the barrel, that is, having a semi-free gate. Long barrel - it is also the size. Therefore, in order to reduce them in the stowed position, the Swiss made the receiver of the store so that it was folded forward. This allowed machine gunners not to stand out on the battlefield from the total mass of infantry with rifles and at the same time facilitated the transportation of this PP.

First, they began to produce the MKMS serial sample, then the shorter “police” model MKPS. But the high price frightened off buyers. Therefore, modifications of MKMO and MKPO, which had free valves, were made soon. However, before 1941, all four samples were sold in quantities of all 1200 pieces.


SIG MKMS with folded magazine.



SIG MKMS and shop to it.


It's hard to do - very easy!


Anyway, but from the point of view of the “machine” technology, the Swiss really turned out to be very curious. As is often the case, its semi-free shutter consisted of two parts - the front and the back, and the front (gate larva) has the shape of the letter "P" with a very stretched upper crossbar. The back of the bolt enters the front only when the back of the “P” is skewed up. Shooting is conducted from an open shutter. When the bolt group in its movement comes to the front position, the bevel on the back of the gate presses against the front bevel or the gate larva, and it rises, falls into the groove of the receiver and so locking occurs. The back of the bolt continues to move and its striker pins the cartridge primer in the chamber. After the shot, both parts of the bolt move back a very short distance, while they are unhooked, the rear part of the gate larvae is reduced, and now both parts of the bolt move backward by inertia. Thus, the weapon is recharged and the whole cycle is repeated again. A groove and a special dust-proof lid were provided for the folding magazine in the forearm under the barrel, which covered the hole under it in the receiver. The stock was wooden, made of quality wood, and marked on firing from 100 to 1000 meters. The bayonet on such a long submachine gun, which was SIG MKMS, was also not a problem to install.



Shutter action SIG MKMS on patent 1936 of the year:
Fig.1 - both parts of the bolt are in the "before the shot" in the rear of the receiver and are one; FIG. 2 - the shutter is released by pressing the trigger, moves forward, the oblique protrusion of the posterior part presses on the oblique posterior surface of the larva and lifts it upwards. Once in the slot of the receiver, it can no longer move back and so it locks. Nevertheless, between the larva and the receiver there is a free space 23-24. The back with a striker strikes the primer through the hole in the larva; FIG. 3 - shot made. The larva has moved back until it stops, while the rear part of the shutter moves back by inertia. Now the larva goes down and can move back along with the back of the shutter.

"I want all my own!"



As for Hungary, it was not for nothing that it was said - “his example is a different science”. The fact that this development went to the Vatican greatly inspired the Hungarian military and they ... adopted the "Kiraly submachine gun" under the designation 39M. Like his immediate ancestor or predecessor, he looked very much like a carbine, and with the shop in the forend this similarity increased even more. After all, its length was equal to 105 cm, and the length of the German Mauser carbine 98k - 111 cm, the difference, which is completely irrelevant at a distance. More important was the fact that it used the most powerful for that time pistol Mauzer cartridge 9 × 25 mm.


39M in the hands of a Hungarian soldier.

However, we can not say that Kiraly copied everything from the Swiss sample. No, on the contrary, he made a very important change to the design: he invented a new bolt for his submachine gun ... which was then named after him; "Kiraly shutter".

The main part - the lever!



As well as the SIG MKMS shutter, the shutter, designed by Kiraly, consists of two parts interconnected by means of a complex accelerator lever. It interacts with a special protrusion in the bolt box in such a way that the front part of the bolt moves back faster than the rear. Then the lever comes out of the clutch with the receiver, and both parts of the bolt are moving back already as one piece. But as long as both parts of the bolt interacted in such an ingenious way, the bullet had already left the barrel, and the gas pressure in it dropped to a safe level. So the sleeve from the chamber was removed without fear that it would tear or inflate.


39M shutter device - Kiraly patent. The accelerator lever is No.16.


When all efforts are in vain ...


It would seem that both the long barrel and such a complex bolt should have significantly increased the initial velocity of the bullet, and thereby increased the fighting properties of the 39M. However, it was precisely this that, despite all the tricks, Kiraly did not succeed. It also happened this way, more than once. A person thinks that it will be this and that, but all his efforts are in vain for a number of reasons completely independent of him, which he simply could not foresee. The same happened in this case. Since the shooting of the Kiralee submachine gun took place from an open bolt, the long barrel placed on it did not give him any advantage in shooting accuracy. In addition, the long barrel overheated, there was a curvature and ... the bullets flew in the wrong place. And although the scope had a notch up to 600 meters, it was impossible to hit targets at such a distance.

The initial speed could not be increased either. At the Mauser pistol it was equal to 420 m / s, and at the Kiraly submachine gun 480 m / s. But at the same time, the length of the trunk of the "Mauser" was 140 mm, but the 39M - 500 mm! And the whole thing is part of the powder used cartridge, which burned so quickly that the long barrel did not give much.


Bayonet to the submachine gun 39M.


The rest of the device of this PP was quite traditional for that time. The trigger mechanism allowed both single and automatic fire. The interpreter of the fire at the same time served as a fuse. The store had a double row of cartridges with a double row of their output. This was done to facilitate the equipment store, although the filing of ammunition from the store with a single-row output safer.

In 1944, the 44M version appeared under the standard Parabellum cartridge. At the same time, the barrel on it was shortened to 250 mm, which, however, practically did not affect the usability and its other characteristics.


Submachine gun Jozef Kucher K1.


After the war, Kiraly left for the Dominican Republic, and there, based on 39M, he constructed the Cristobal M2 - the original carbine chambered for the .30 Carbine, which again turned out to be something average between a submachine gun and a machine gun.

Well, in the Hungarian People’s Republic, based on the TT pistol cartridge, designer Jozef Kucher, a former assistant to Kiraly, created his own submachine gun, which was designated K1. It was all the same 44M, only with a rozhkovy magazine because of the taper of the sleeve of our cartridge, and simplified well, just to the limit. In 1953, K1 adopted the Hungarian People’s Army under the designation 53M, but for a long time he could not resist the service.

Well, now about the trend, that is, the direction of development that was set by this, in general, not very successful sample. It turned out, far from immediately, that such well-equipped fighters of various terrorist groups are increasingly involved in fighting against the forces of law and order, and their equipment provides them with good protection against the fire of the same submachine guns with which counterterrorism units are armed. In addition, they often go into battle with drugs and painkillers, so that they, even after being fatally wounded, continue to fight.


Automatic ShA-12.


That is, it took a compact and powerful weapon, capable of bulletproof vests and punching, and ... with one hit immobilize any potential enemy.


Automatic machine-12 with a silencer.


Submachine guns under ... powerful cartridges


In Russia, such a weapon was the 12,7-mm assault rifle, ShA-12, about which the Military Review repeatedly posted materials, for example, 23 August 2012, 29 November 2018 and 12 December 2018. Recall that it was designed by scheme bullpup and with the widespread use of plastic and aluminum alloys. The weight, however, he turned out to be significant - 5,2 kg, well, after all, this is one of the most powerful and deadly weapons. And to some extent, this is by no means a rifle, but a real large-caliber submachine gun, since its firing range is only 100 m. And the customer believes that this is quite enough!


Submachine gun "Heather" chambered for 9 × 21 mm.


So, another direction for the development of submachine guns of the future may well be ... either large-caliber or submachine guns under especially powerful cartridges of standard calibers. Or maybe they will be created and under completely unusual for today ammunition? But ... we will tell you about this next time.

To be continued ...
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  1. +10
    2 June 2019 06: 30
    It is not clear how the ShA-12 and Veresk belong here, and why the author forgot to mention Baryshev in this vein. The entire line of weapons which has a bolt similar in principle of action.
    1. 0
      6 July 2019 07: 39
      The author also forgot to talk about the French famas
  2. +17
    2 June 2019 10: 13
    However, the vaunted Swiss quality made its business
    Not a very good expression, as the Swiss quality is really high.

    This is today's weapon of the papal guards in the Vatican, at least three years ago it was like that.
    In the foreground - SIG MKMO - still in service. Moreover, it is SIG MKMO.
    First, they began to produce a serial model MKMS, then - a shorter "police" model MKPS. But the high price frightened off buyers. Therefore, modifications of MKMO and MKPO, which had free valves, were made soon. This error has been surfing the net for a long time.
    Just the opposite. First, they began to produce the MKMO production model - M = Maschinen, K = Karabiner M = Militär, O = Oben, then the shorter “police” model MKPO. But the high price frightened off buyers. Therefore, modifications of MKMS and MKPS were soon made, which had free valves.
    For help, you can even contact the English-language wiki, or to specialized English-language sites.
    Well, now about the trend, that is, the direction of development that was set by this, in general, not very successful sample.[/ I]
    This sample did not set a trend. He went down in history as a submachine gun with the original design of a semi-free shutter with lever slowing.
    You, Vyacheslav Olegovich, fiercely struggle with folk historians and just as fiercely aspire with folk dancers.
    1. +3
      2 June 2019 18: 55
      Funny they have a gun! Steampunk in real life!
      1. +4
        2 June 2019 19: 14
        So they and the service - stipman in real life.
        Today so.
        1. +4
          2 June 2019 19: 17
          And so tomorrow.
          1. +4
            2 June 2019 19: 24
            So that the weapon is equipped for all cases.
            1. +4
              2 June 2019 19: 28
              There they have in the museum, only everything is in working condition and can be used.
              1. +2
                2 June 2019 19: 42
                So I suspect that everything is still individually tailored to the current contingent.
                Hamilton, Pure Star Kings!
                I am delighted!
                1. +2
                  2 June 2019 19: 44
                  Of course, as in any military unit, each serviceman is assigned appropriate weapons. Everything is perfect in size.
                  1. +2
                    2 June 2019 19: 48
                    I was especially impressed by the beret in the last photo! Morion "grandfathers" squeezed out ... "as in any military unit"?
                    1. +4
                      2 June 2019 19: 56
                      They take a dress at the checkpoint go.

                      Tried to get to their location on the tour - even Count Pentini did not help.
                      1. +2
                        2 June 2019 20: 02
                        Is this your french friend?
                      2. +4
                        2 June 2019 20: 08
                        No, this is the Italian count (real, old) Stefano Aluffi-Pentini, he is the owner of A Private View of Italy, which arranges tours of the private palazzo for companies and wealthy clients. Normal man. Lives modestly. But communication !!!
                      3. +3
                        2 June 2019 20: 11
                        Your relations Foreign Ministry of Ukraine envy
                      4. +4
                        2 June 2019 20: 57
                        I catch myself thinking that a person is very much determined by both the reading circle and the social circle.

                        And sometimes it is very interesting to leave the comfort zone.
                      5. +3
                        2 June 2019 21: 09
                        Exactly. On the other hand, a single subject may have several comfort zones. I feel completely in my sandbox with both clochards and noblemen.
                      6. +4
                        2 June 2019 21: 19
                        So to the point. More successfully difficult to get.

                        Now I am re-reading Makanin's Underground.
                        A vagabond sits in us.
                      7. +3
                        2 June 2019 21: 43
                        Nifiga! We have an inescapable envy of vagabonds. Hence all the kitchen romance of the "big roads", love for Kipling, Hemenguey, Vizbor and Okudzhava
                      8. +3
                        2 June 2019 21: 53
                        You should have seen - in what form you left the forest yesterday. And he sat down in the "Swallow".

                        Here and Harri Martineson for his character would have taken.
                      9. +3
                        2 June 2019 22: 16
                        Sergey, I saw a lot of things.
                      10. +4
                        2 June 2019 22: 34
                        I do not even doubt it.

                        People can go different paths. And on one glade to be. And there are almost no coincidences in this.
                      11. +2
                        2 June 2019 22: 31
                        Thin some soldier with a halberd.

                        laughing
                      12. Alf
                        +1
                        2 June 2019 22: 39
                        Quote: Horse, people and soul
                        Thin some soldier with a halberd.

                        laughing

                        "Skinny" does not mean "weak", and the Pope does not need beefy mordovorotov in the protection.
                      13. 0
                        2 June 2019 22: 49
                        On the skin goes less expensive lace and silk, yes.

                        laughing

                        Gorazde cheaper skinny papal treasury costs.

                        Previously (in the period), the Swiss with halberds were really effective fighters and, far from being skinny, with an halberd, commercially, for an hour to work continuously not by air, but by armor. And today's how? Just stand with halberds or ready to use for the intended purpose?
                      14. Alf
                        0
                        2 June 2019 22: 57
                        Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
                        Before (in the period), the Swiss with halberds were really effective fighters. And today's how? Just stand with halberds or ready to use for the intended purpose?

                        Halberds with berets is a parade, but their preparation is serious. They perform the role of gendarmerie.
                      15. +1
                        2 June 2019 22: 57
                        Now the papal guard rather tough selection, in physical training including.
                      16. +3
                        2 June 2019 23: 25
                        All guardsmen undergo a basic training course on melee weapons that they have in their arsenal. Therefore, although with halberds and swords, they are for tourists, if necessary, crumble into cabbage.
            2. +2
              2 June 2019 22: 26
              Whence such a bend of the closed blade? Almost scimitar, only with hilt ...
              1. 0
                2 June 2019 22: 50
                Whence such a bend of the closed blade? Almost scimitar, only with hilt ...


                Traditionally this, apparently. Initially, after all, the muzzle-loading muskets were. So that the closed bayonet does not interfere with charging the muzzle.
              2. +1
                2 June 2019 23: 11
                So this is the bayonet, figuratively speaking, in the yatagan style. The French began to make such bayonets in the 1840 year, the rest were picked up. The papal guardsmen used such bayonets, moreover, they were made to them under the order, so this is a collectible rarity. In the photo is the Vetterly rifle model 1871.
        2. +1
          2 June 2019 22: 28
          That's literally - HARDY service. The weight of the armor is not small, and in the Italian sun it is also hot that you will not touch it.
          1. +1
            2 June 2019 22: 50
            Service as a service. I do not think that in the Foreign Legion is easier.
      2. +5
        2 June 2019 21: 47
        Anton, buddy, hello!
        So our friend "Carbine" lived to see his finest hour! More precisely, he did not live ... Uhh, he would have turned around here, he has not a single comment without this Kiraly could not do. No wonder Olegych in the title of the article wrote "The same ..."
        Yes, and the store remembered with a two-row feed - this is also about one "enthusiast" under the nickname Major Whirlwind, also now deceased.
        He is a mischievous man, Vyacheslav, our Olegovich, for which many thanks, too! good
        1. +3
          2 June 2019 22: 37
          ... it's a pity, the discussion will be without lengthy sophistic texts about "reduced flanges" with emotions on the verge of psychopathy, yes, yes, about those "reduced flanges" for which the future is, and we are all pots and don't get into the topic. Yes...
        2. Alf
          +3
          2 June 2019 22: 40
          Quote: Sea Cat
          So our friend "Carbine" has survived

          Do not remember in vain. And then come back! What, quite a while did not hear delirium? laughing
        3. +2
          2 June 2019 22: 41
          What can I say? Well, at the hand of a man fell Volyn.
          I'm here (in another class) in love with CZ-75, and FIG convince me!
          1. +1
            2 June 2019 22: 58
            Before you "marry", it would be good to "see all the girls."

            Our shooters on the advertisement got their CeZetoids Tanfohlio, and then they sold and shot with the FZ Shadow.
            1. +2
              2 June 2019 23: 12
              Essesno! I know. Nevertheless, I take off my hat to a more honorable visitor of the "establishment"! hi laughing
              1. +1
                2 June 2019 23: 18
                What are you, what are you, I'm just an old toothless horse.

                Good-natured.

                Yes
                1. +2
                  2 June 2019 23: 27
                  Know seen
                  Well you charm to death with good nature. Two objects of your "sympathy" have already been mentioned.
                  1. +2
                    2 June 2019 23: 43
                    One of these comrades, who turned out to be a comrade and not at all, decided that he could be anonymously rude to strangers. Disgusting.

                    For rudeness I can bite. Those teeth that remained in the horse - still ogogo.

                    Horse, people and soul
    2. +2
      2 June 2019 22: 26
      The only thing that Kiraly did "not like everyone else" was a long barrel for a pistol cartridge.

      This is the very weapon that today is called the PCC (Pistol Caliber Carbine), only Kiraly also fired in bursts.

      By the way, for a 9x19 pistol cartridge, the maximum reasonable barrel length is 10 "inches (25 centimeters) for standard pistol cartridges. The maximum is 16" inches, which, indeed, requires self-loaded cartridges with slow burning powder to get profit from such a barrel.
      1. +1
        2 June 2019 23: 16
        If anyone has a special education in the development of rifle and ammunition, it would be interesting to know about the manufacture of ballistic trunks (length, pitch and number of rifling, type of rifling) under the already created cartridges in order to remove the maximum characteristics of speed, range and etc.
        And this carbine / submachine gun really reminded me: "The motor was very similar to the real one, it just did not work ..." Directly manufacturing the product strictly under the TK, regardless of the consequences of operation.
        1. 0
          2 June 2019 23: 24
          Unfortunately, I can’t help with theory, but for practice in the world of capitalism, this is - apart from a rare commodity such as any whim for your money, there is a mass commodity that is in demand.

          Here, the Austrians make long barrels for the pistol cartridge.

          http://www.igbaustria.com/carbine-conversion.html
          1. 0
            3 June 2019 00: 24
            Thank you for reading. It's already scary to think how long the Glock frame will live, and what vertical vibrations of the 16 "barrel when reloading ...
            1. 0
              3 June 2019 07: 02
              In our area for a pistol 16 "barrel is impossible due to the length limitation in ZOO, but I have a 10" barrel. I only use it with a silencer, subsonic cartridges and only in a frame with a FAB Defense KPOS G2 stock.

              Directly "plasticity of the frame" in this case does not play, since the barrel interacts in the operation of the mechanism with the casing-bolt and the massive steel uniting block, which is in the frame.

              The frame of this design works with more powerful calibers .357 Sig and 10 mm auto without any complaints, and even 9x19 - even more so, despite the additional weight of the barrel and the muffler.

              In addition ... the frame is not the main part of the weapon and is sold freely for 100 euros and you can buy it in black, green and sand color
      2. 0
        4 June 2019 06: 57
        This many did. Interesting is another. Are they, rifle powder from 8x56 Buddha forbade to put? This is on the one hand. And on the other hand, well, the pressure hump will be more gentle, well, the pressure in the chamber will decrease (resource). But then the bullet pushes with the same force? Or, if you want to spend more energy, and at the same time heat the barrel.
        1. 0
          4 June 2019 08: 31
          Are they, rifle powder from 8x56 Buddha forbade to put?


          The paths of military logistics are inscrutable. Apparently, no one even thought then to make for Kiraly a special version of the 9x25 Mauser Export cartridge. Ammunition delivered - distributed - went to fight. All ...

          Of course, not only slowly burning gunpowder for a long barrel should be poured, but a greater number of it, if it is of interest, increase the power or range precisely by means of a long barrel.

          But those cartridges were made for the "export" Mauser C96, whose barrel was far from 50 cm long.

          So, Kiraly, as a designer, in this sense and from nowadays, has many mistakes in decisions.
  3. 0
    2 June 2019 11: 53
    An interesting attempt to create a universal PP. By the way 480 m / s for 9 mm heavy bullet is not so bad. A long barrel, and therefore a heavier one, on the contrary, should not heat up quickly. After all, using 9 mm Mouser long is a failed attempt to use an ersatz intermediate cartridge.
    1. +1
      2 June 2019 22: 40
      The trunk of such length should be heavier for the PP (thick-walled). This is almost a machine gun barrel, but then the weight of Kirala would be unrealistically large.

      There it was necessary either to remove the auto-fire completely, or to cut off three shots, which in those days was generally an unknown thing.
    2. 0
      4 June 2019 08: 28
      Any attempt will be unsuccessful if you use an ogival or round-headed pistol bullet at the power of a pistol cartridge to fire at 150-200 meters. Miracles do not happen, the bullet quickly brakes and loses energy.

      Today there are supermoles of .357 Sig and 10 mm auto, but they are designed to use 25, a maximum of 50 meters, where their energy can actually be used.
  4. +2
    2 June 2019 14: 31
    Quote: Undecim
    You, Vyacheslav Olegovich, fiercely struggle with folk historians and just as fiercely aspire with folk dancers.

    So you wrote it in the hope of what? What I will not write more about PP? You do not like others like it ... You will have to go through!
    1. +5
      2 June 2019 15: 58
      It is me, Vyacheslav Olegovich, who wrote in the hope that you will continue to delight us with the history of weapons, and my criticism will help you grow above yourself and take on new creative heights within the framework of official weapon science.
  5. +4
    2 June 2019 17: 08
    Oh how! Well ... if so ... then yes.
    1. +5
      2 June 2019 21: 38
      You guys both know dofig and both of you are interested in reading. I am for you! For zasee does not happen !!! drinks
      1. +2
        2 June 2019 22: 01
        Konstantin, score! These "old robbers" are sworn friends. They all know about each other and everyone who is interested knows this. This is an endless game of chess.
        Relax and enjoy watching!
        PS Sometimes you can bet. laughing
        1. +3
          2 June 2019 22: 06
          Yes I know. A certain flavor gives. smile
  6. 0
    18 June 2019 22: 05
    Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
    In our area for a pistol 16 "barrel is impossible due to the length limitation in ZOO, but I have a 10" barrel. I only use it with a silencer, subsonic cartridges and only in a frame with a FAB Defense KPOS G2 stock.

    Here again - you own the subject, but do not tell. But Kiraly is interesting. It was not in vain that I started (although it is hard to see from the sofa) I spoke about pressure. You would "pereobzhali" 9x25 under 7,62 (there is more gunpowder in 9mm), but you would say more about the shutter. So that the recoil is at a minimum, so that the ergonomics are okay, they would say about the springs, if the shutter is still free - steel, there, turns, compression not end-to-end - all to minimize recoil. Spring dimensions. Accuracy, of course. We found out that MP5 does not throw. So that a line of 5-10 rounds lays down heap. Well, there is a foot on a hundred meters, from hands, standing, without support? After all, this is a submachine gun - so that in bursts, but in a bunch, but scary (although always scary), but easy.