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The dates of the adoption of the decision of the Russian Defense Ministry on missiles "Armor-piercer"

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Russian latest aviation the armor-piercing rocket successfully completed state tests.


The dates of the adoption of the decision of the Russian Defense Ministry on missiles "Armor-piercer"


The Ministry of Defense reported when it will adopt. Timing was announced by Alexander Kochkin, deputy general director of NPK Tekhmash, at the 14 defense industry exhibition IDEF-2019 in Istanbul.

According to him, state tests of the new unguided aircraft rocket “Broneboyshchik” were completed last year, and now all the product documentation is in the Ministry of Defense. It is planned that before the end of the first half of the year, the military department will decide on the adoption of the "Armor striker" for service.

At the same time, he noted that for the time being, the state program of armaments and the state defense order does not provide for the purchase of the armor-end armor missile for this period (1 of 2019).

In such a situation, everything depends on the decision of the military department, their word will be decisive. If a decision is made to purchase it, the rocket will go to the armed forces.

- declared Kochkin

Earlier it was reported that the newest rocket C-8OFP "Broneboyschik" should complement the family of unguided missiles C-8 for use with airplanes and helicopters (Su-24 / 25, Mi-8 and others). It is designed to destroy light armored vehicles and surface ships at a distance of 6 km. Its peculiarity is that, depending on the task, it can explode when it strikes an obstacle, in front of it or behind an obstacle.

C-8OFP has a caliber 80 mm as well as C-8, but the power of the new ammunition exceeds the power of its predecessor 5-6 times.
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  1. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 1 May 2019 15: 18
    +8
    as well as S-8, however, the power of the new ammunition exceeds the power of its predecessor by 5-6 times.
    This is due to what? What kind of explosive is this? Or is it still about efficiency, not power?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 May 2019 15: 38
      +4
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Or is it all about efficiency, not power?

      About "the power of action with a goal" 8))))
    2. Karabas
      Karabas 1 May 2019 15: 53
      +2
      This is due to what? What kind of explosive is this? Or is it still about efficiency, not power?

      If true, then apparently the technology is like in our AVBPM bomb. (In terms of mass of charge, the power of the explosive used (explosive) exceeds the power of trinitrotoluene by 6,2 times).
    3. knn54
      knn54 1 May 2019 15: 55
      +5
      Victor, in "Ammunition" the mass of explosives delivered to the target is twice exceeded.
      -And depending on the task, it can explode when it hits an obstacle, in front of it or behind an obstacle.
      This is another "one +" of its warhead, which can be used as a penetrating land mine.
    4. YOUR
      YOUR 1 May 2019 16: 10
      +8
      Strange article. Composed of two articles, the first part of the message RIA Novosti on February 17, the second part from Wikipedia. Reprint word for word.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 1 May 2019 16: 39
        +7
        Quote: YOUR
        Strange article. Composed of two articles, the first part of the message RIA Novosti on February 17, the second part from Wikipedia. Reprint word for word.

        This is not an article, but a news article. And they are written like that - news + illustration + reference material (here it is not always paid attention to correctness when writing and editing)
    5. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 1 May 2019 16: 15
      +2
      In any case, the news is good.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 1 May 2019 16: 42
        +6
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        In any case, the news is good.

        True, yours is good news .. and especially because they do not forget about the modernization of the good old NAR amid a general enthusiasm for correction and management ..
    6. Su24
      Su24 1 May 2019 19: 30
      +7
      Less fuel charge, more warheads. Similarly, with new missiles for Grad. The range is the same, the striking force is 5-6 times greater. Just progress in chemistry in recent decades.
    7. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 2 May 2019 02: 38
      +1
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Or is it all about efficiency, not power?

      I believe that you are right, not the "article line" ... Do not rely only on the power and the number of explosives! The criterion "efficiency" is determined by other factors: 1. the steel from which the warhead "shell" is made; fragmentation notch on the warhead or treatment with high-frequency currents to form the possibility of "controlled" crushing of the warhead body, increase the fragmentation effect of the ammunition (more fragments, a larger radius of expansion, a larger area of ​​destruction ...); 2.Giving sufficient strength to the warhead body ... availability armor-piercing "cap" provides a high "armor. concrete. firing"; 3. The presence of a multi-mode fuse allows you to provide different modes of detonation of ammunition: a) explosion "in the air"; b) "instant" contact detonation; c) detonation when the ammunition deepens in " obstacle "; d) detonation of ammunition behind the" obstacle "; 4. The presence of a "multifunctional" warhead (cumulative fragmentation (cumulative high-explosive fragmentation), cumulative high-explosive incendiary ... etc.) allows you to "reduce" the range of missiles ...
  2. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2019 15: 42
    +3
    What's the use of such an "Armor-Piercer" if it's not controllable? How can you get it into a target such as an armored personnel carrier, a tank, or somewhere else? Why does she need armor-piercing qualities if she is being hit in areas? A powerful HE is clear, but an armor-piercing one? I don't understand at all.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 May 2019 15: 49
      +5
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Why would she need armor-piercing qualities if they hit her in squares?

      And what, armored vehicles can not be dispersed over a certain area? For example, a tank company in the area of ​​concentration at the edge of the forest. Area target in its purest form.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2019 16: 01
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Why would she need armor-piercing qualities if they hit her in squares?

        And what, armored vehicles can not be dispersed over a certain area? For example, a tank company in the area of ​​concentration at the edge of the forest. Area target in its purest form.

        You understand what the matter, Mr. Lopatov, when during the Second World War the PTAB was invented, it made sense. She was also beaten in the squares, but she was small, weighed not much and the IL-2 took her in large quantities and "sowed large areas with it with the hope that at least one of them would fall into the tank. In addition, PTAB was inexpensive to manufacture. was worth the candle.
        And how many "armor-piercers" will MI-8 take? How many pieces will hit a 10 by 10 meter square during a salvo? One? Or not one? What is the hit probability? 0,2? And what is the cost of its production? This is what confuses me.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 May 2019 17: 43
          +6
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          And how many "armor-piercers" will MI-8 take?

          4 launchers with 20 missiles, 80 pieces.
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          What is the probability of hitting?

          At the pilots
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          And what is the cost of its production?

          Much less than 10 ATGMs
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 2 May 2019 12: 49
            0
            Beautifully shot ...
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 2 May 2019 12: 54
      0
      And what is there to understand?
      An armor-piercer is a proper name, a literal subject.
      And so this is an ordinary high-explosive fragmentation projectile ...
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 2 May 2019 13: 22
        0
        Quote: hydrox
        And what is there to understand?
        An armor-piercer is a proper name, a literal subject.
        And so this is an ordinary high-explosive fragmentation projectile ...

        If so, then I have no questions.
        Just some kind of name - incorrect.
  3. MMX
    MMX 1 May 2019 17: 22
    -3
    Unguided rocket in 2019. Seriously?


    It is planned that by the end of the first half of the year, the military department will decide on the adoption of the "Armor-piercer" into service.

    It would be better if he did not dare.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 1 May 2019 18: 42
      +7
      Quote: MMX
      Unguided rocket in 2019. Seriously?
      It would be better if he did not dare.

      Remove the guns too? The shells are uncontrollable.
      1. Antidote
        Antidote 1 May 2019 19: 32
        +2
        One shot - one corpse ©
      2. MMX
        MMX 3 May 2019 18: 41
        -1
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: MMX
        Unguided rocket in 2019. Seriously?
        It would be better if he did not dare.

        Remove the guns too? The shells are uncontrollable.


        If the efficiency is low, then certainly.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 2 May 2019 13: 11
      +2
      With this ingenious solution, the legs grow from the same place where the SVP-24 Hephaestus appeared as a method of bombing, which made it possible to use the conventional OFAB arr. 1943 as a high-precision munition and this alone saved Russia several hundred hundred million dollars at a time :: the first time on saving funds for disposal, and the second time on the use of this junk in Syria without having to sausage on a bomb some stray, which with each explosion turns into dust worth $ 20.
      Feel the greatness of Russian design talent and its influence on "Death to the Barmaley!" laughing
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 2 May 2019 14: 11
        0
        The same can be said about the NAR S-8 KOM: modernization led the device to learn how to pierce armor 400 mm thick (which means that it kills not only the engine mount, but the engine itself), therefore ALL BTR, BMP, MTLB, gun mounts on wheeled chassis, etc., etc. (including the chassis of tanks!). - it becomes the legitimate prey of helicopter pilots, despite its LARGE cost. laughing
        1. MMX
          MMX 5 May 2019 17: 00
          -1
          Quote: hydrox
          The same can be said about the NAR S-8 KOM: modernization led the device to learn how to pierce armor 400 mm thick (which means that it kills not only the engine mount, but the engine itself), therefore ALL BTR, BMP, MTLB, gun mounts on wheeled chassis, etc., etc. (including the chassis of tanks!). - it becomes the legitimate prey of helicopter pilots, despite its LARGE cost. laughing


          To these "TR, BMP, MTLB, gun mounts on wheeled chassis, etc., etc. (including the chassis of tanks!)" You still need to fly.
          I’m afraid that if there is something more serious than barmaley with small arms, then the chances of flying and launching an uncontrolled missile, even at least one, are reduced exponentially.

          But on paper, and even with calculations about saving funds for disposal, it looks smooth or, as you put it, "brilliant", especially for some thrifty ...
  4. Lapunevsky
    Lapunevsky 1 May 2019 19: 48
    +2
    This makes me happy. I personally saw in Arabic videos how in Syria from hitting Russian NURSs with Mi-28Н into militants' pick-up, it was of course incapacitated, but after dissipating smoke and dust it looked almost unscathed. I hope the new ammunition will smash a similar goal into pieces.
  5. bogart047
    bogart047 1 May 2019 21: 45
    +2
    NURS without guidance? It looks pointless. In areas not hit armor-piercing
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 May 2019 13: 43
      0
      Quote: bogart047
      In areas not hit armor-piercing

      They are not armor piercing. Let's just say, "general purpose" And the infantry is enough for the eyes, and there is a high probability of the destruction of the tank.
      In general, the thing is necessary. For example, you need to land a beat. airborne assault. Before that, it is necessary to "sterilize" the landing site. Such NURS can do it perfectly well.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 May 2019 13: 49
      0
      And yes, they also hit with armor-piercing areas. Cluster munitions with COBE
      1. bogart047
        bogart047 2 May 2019 15: 12
        0
        Don't cluster munitions have individual guidance? I saw something like this in the film about the RZSO Hurricane
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 May 2019 16: 23
          +1
          Quote: bogart047
          Don't cluster munitions have individual guidance?

          This is about other submunitions, not KOBE but SPBE, self-aiming combat elements. Firstly, they are much more expensive, and secondly, larger in size.
          For example, "Smirchevskie" cassette PCs:
          9M531 is 616 pieces of COBE
          9M533 is 5 "large" SPBE 9N268
          9M532 is 20 small-sized SPBE 9N282

          In addition, KOBE work both in armored vehicles and infantry. Therefore, cumulative-fragmentation.
  6. Brigadier
    Brigadier 3 May 2019 14: 53
    0
    Another circus, such as Chubais nanotechnology, with the goal of scaring a vicious enemy ...
    I wouldn't be surprised if the Za-sra-nets rocket is announced soon ...
    The principle of action is the same! lol