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L.Ivashov: “If Russia and China do not intervene, Syria will not stand against the might of the West”

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If Russia and China do not intervene, Syria will not stand against the power of the West.
Syrian air defenses, according to unconfirmed data, shot down on Friday the Turkish F-4 “Phantom” fighter and shot down another aircraft, which went along with the fighter in the southeastern coast of Turkey over the Mediterranean Sea. As reported by the Lebanese television channel Al-Manar, the downed aircraft, carrying two pilots, crashed into the water.

Later it became known that rescuers discovered an ejection seat and parachute in the sea. Searches conducted by Turkish coast guard rescuers using aviation helicopters. Three Syrian ships are helping the Turkish side, Newsru.com writes with reference to ITAR-TASS, Interfax and RIANews».

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  1. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 26 June 2012 07: 27
    +8
    How exactly can RUSSIA help Assad and not get involved in the war with the WEST?
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 26 June 2012 09: 31
      +6
      Secretly supply him with weapons and specialists who will train the local military! Well, like in Vietnam at one time! And like the Americans in Afghanistan!
      1. Ataturk
        Ataturk 26 June 2012 14: 20
        +5
        Quote: Karavan
        Secretly supply him weapon и experts

        Secretly will not work. Western intelligence does not have to be considered idiots. If there are traitors among the ruling coalition, then there are traitors among the opposition. And if infa pops up that Russia is sending something, then believe me, Georgia will not be surprised tomorrow if the latest tanks and missiles and everything that is needed and not only from Georgia appear, a thousand mercenaries will be trampled into Chechnya. Do not forget, al-Qaeda created the United States.

        Tough measures will be taken immediately to Russia. Already forget about Iran. They will embargo or develop pipelines again bypassing Russia, shattering Ukraine and Belarus and other countries.

        Armenia has already been called to NATO, and they have already given the go-ahead for training and cooperation.
        http://www.natoinfo.am/eng/

        Kazakhs will be shaken. Uzbeks and all.

        Russia will not be able in the current state to fight for all the dandies. Do not forget the fact of Kadyrov. The hunt was established for him, the security of Russia is slightly shaken, Kadyrov will be sent to the salesmen. And if it will not be calm there, then comrades, you can already prepare for war for all dandies.



        Specialists? They have been studying military art for years. And not just once or twice. But it is unlikely that they will be sent to Syria Iskander or S-400. I really doubt. Syria will be overwhelmed, a matter of time. There is no reception against scrap, I am afraid the West has a lot of scrap. and DO NOT expect help from China other than yelling and barking. China has its own interests.



        Quote: Karavan
        Well, like in Vietnam


        do not compare the Vietnamese and the Syrians. It's like comparing a finger with a finger. The Vietnamese are suicides. They are not afraid of anything. Plus they waged a guerrilla war. It is unlikely that the Syrian government will introduce a guerrilla war, it is waiting for him to take into account Saddam.

        And I understand President Assad that he has no way back, unless of course you run away to Moscow or Venezuela, although I think they will get it there. To my great regret, he is waiting for or take into account Saddam or Milosevic.

        I believe that anyone can and MUST and SHOULD help Syria, this is Iran. And you comrades, look how Iran hid. Do you know why? There is nothing to annoy the West with its presence. They have people in a panic. I talked with the Iranians. They run away who can. And their cries are that the Strait of Orzumun will be closed, they will give pen = do-it-yourself on the most backbards, this info is calculated for the internal public of Iran and not for the world.

        Believe me!!!


        P.S. After Iran, the neighboring countries of Russia are in line. Or maybe Russia. Not by military means but economically. Although by military means, they can help 3 countries. Therefore, I say that Russia urgently needs to raise its army. The economy. The treasury depends on the sale of oil and gas. This must be changed!
        If all that I wrote is not done, I can firmly say that the Kremlin works for them.

        For some reason, I think that the hysteria that is arranged at the UN, the West and others is a circus for world society. It has long been decided who will attack when and where. We just don’t know yet.

        This usually happens!
        1. lcalex
          lcalex 26 June 2012 15: 27
          +8
          Dear Ataturk, it’s painfully gloomy you all imagine .....

          It turns out that the Russian Federation can only sit and wait for now
          Quote: Ataturk
          After Iran, the neighboring countries of Russia are in line. Or maybe Russia. Not by military means but economically.

          so what?

          If everything is as you write, then nothing will help. Because, well, the Russian Federation will not have time to switch to another economy.
          And all ships and planes promise only by 2020. What to fold legs now?

          No. If the amers of Syria and Iran become clumsy and deploy their own missile defense and offensive weapons there, then it will be pretty dicky. Yes, plus refugees in the south of the Russian Federation.

          No Syria needs help. But how do specialists think they are paying money
          1. The Shrew
            The Shrew 26 June 2012 16: 16
            +13
            lcalex,
            The devil is not so terrible as he is painted! Undoubtedly the amers have achieved that they hammered into the heads of the townsfolk the axiom of their invincibility and power. But is that so ?! In the event of a major war and thousands of casualties, they simply will have nowhere to recruit an army. There is no personnel reserve in the west! The times of small wars are over, then any war, even a small-town one, will go to total annihilation.
          2. Ataturk
            Ataturk 27 June 2012 17: 57
            -1
            Quote: lcalex
            It turns out that the Russian Federation can only sit and wait for now

            the question is not correctly posed. Maybe the Kremlin supports NATO? Is there a guarantee otherwise? I do not have! Politics is such a thing that with the media they swear and backstage kiss and hug. That’s the trouble.

            Quote: lcalex
            No Syria needs help.

            It is necessary, but it is unlikely to help. Alas. I hope that I will be mistaken!

            Quote: lcalex
            There is no personnel reserve in the West!

            They do not need a reserve. Europe is their RESERVE. Here Belgium agreed to bomb Syria. In Yandex, write and make sure. The question is, Belgium damn where you climb.

            Quote: Magul8
            It is impossible. In no case should you show fear of the beast.

            Yes it is impossible! But they are not fools, they know who my friend is capable of. The question is, shouting HALVA HALVA will not become sweeter in the mouth. We must act.

            Quote: Magul8
            You uv Ataturk can you tell when the beast - the United States will get enough blood?

            When everything is in their hands. EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING and the limits of their greed until I see it!

            Quote: Magul8
            You breed PANIC. People like you were ready, following the example of Paris, to open the Nazis to Leningrad and Moscow.

            What are you comparing those people with today. Then people had honor, courage, there was no Nazism and racism. There was power in the unity of all the peoples of the USSR. I am a realist and not a dreamer. Look at the street, will you find many patriots? Many will go to defend their homeland? Even ready to give their lives for their homeland. I do not deny that there are none now, but they are few. And earlier in the days of the USSR, men were with the capital letter M. They can not be scared by anything. Now people are small. And hostility within the country will also hinder development.


        2. Wawan
          Wawan 26 June 2012 16: 37
          +4
          Ataturk I plus you. Unfortunately, most likely it will be as you wrote.
        3. vezunchik
          vezunchik 26 June 2012 17: 55
          +5
          the time has come for the voluntary accession of Georgia ..
        4. Magul8
          Magul8 26 June 2012 18: 46
          +9
          It is impossible. In no case should you show fear of the beast.
          Who will try to deny that the United States and its satellites are not insatiable animals. How many beasts do not please, he will surely bite.
          You uv Ataturk can you tell when the beast - the United States will get enough blood?
          USA-NATO didn’t move east? Serbia, Iraq, Libya. How much are you going to cede? And who will say whether they will only agree to your concessions?
          You breed PANIC. People like you were ready, following the example of Paris, to open the Nazis to Leningrad and Moscow.
          Believe me!!! - So what? Can we immediately give Siberia, the Far East, the Caucasus?
          Why die protecting the country? Is there at least one crazy person who does not want to enjoy life?
          And who then must die for this life?
          But if you love your children, you are probably ready to give your organs as a donor and give life if necessary.
          You can not play along with the appetite of the aggressor.
          There is only one way in which you can make them listen to themselves. To push back.
          Be prepared to give your life for dearly. It’s so expensive that these bastards would feel on their own what the untimely deaths of their children mean.
        5. valton
          valton 26 June 2012 20: 19
          +3
          Today, a “NATO settlement” is not a reconciliation of the parties at all, but the total bombing of cities with the simultaneous financial and military support of the militants, who are usually called the opposition to justify their “mission”. And the results of such an American settlement are the classic W-Wow diplomacy from Mrs. Clinton.
        6. mihos ve
          mihos ve 26 June 2012 21: 43
          +6
          We . Those who analyze the future are even less aware of it than those who float on the River. For we think out superficially visible facts on the basis of our own subjective judgments and preferences. Other cultures, sometimes, do not realize the greatness of TRUE NATIONS, CULTURE and ETERNITY OF EMPIRE with a breastfeeding boob, even if you are betrayed. Therefore, dear friends - pseudo independent - thrust your sting into the depths of your "friends" and leave Russia alone. WELL-WISHERS "uevy! Have a CHIR on their own ass, at the mention of which - foam at the mouth and urine in their pants and climb into WORLD politics. SHEEP THE NOZZLES! On equal terms with the Mountain Clans and even more so with their home-grown ANNALIZERS - it will be years like this in 1000. Not out of malice. But boiling. Forecasters - masturbists. RUSSIA - IS, WAS AND WILL BE !!!!
          1. Winter
            Winter 26 June 2012 22: 41
            +6
            mihos ve,
            Eva, how you got it !!! A good toast! drinks drinks drinks
            1. mihos ve
              mihos ve 26 June 2012 23: 26
              0
              We will be! Many drink gentlemen, tomorrow at the machine of the Motherland under the flag of the oppressors in order to feed the children! Long live the all-consuming all for the small at the expense of the majority !!! Sossem BOLT - we live and fight! All the same for the country !!!
              Without a material component, without losing anything, the ETERNALLY ZOMBIED will say - whatever! Only by cultivating culture and enlightenment, enlighten wisdom in your children. pancake!!! Yes, cover up su? Ki-gundos - take on your children. Sit behind ko, drink beer, do not love Wives. You want a great future for your country, do at least something. !!!!!!!!!
          2. Magul8
            Magul8 27 June 2012 00: 53
            0
            I did not immediately decide to answer. Meet in your passage, wake up a bee hive. But indignation boils and leave insults, including in my address - do not respect yourself. And therefore I will answer.
            "DEAR friends - pseudo independent - thrust your sting into the depths of your" friends "proctally and leave Russia alone. WELL-WISHERS! They themselves have CHIR on their ass, at the mention of which - foam at the mouth and urine in their pants and climb into WORLD politics. REMOVE THE NOZZLES! "
            ________________________________________________
            Boiling up? So cool down and turn on the analyzers.
            Where do you live? If within the borders of the former Muscovy, then yes. - RUSSIA - IS, WAS AND WILL BE !!!!
            But those who “realize the greatness of the TRUE NATIONS, CULTURE and ETERNITY OF THE EMPIRE” were left behind. More than 90% of those who realize greatness, thanks to assholes, like the enlightened and wise, were left behind. They are the children of their mother, one - common, But the mother turned out to be rubbish, who abandoned her children without batting an eye. What's her emotions, where? Drunk as a lord, selling everything that was not accumulated in the house by her.
            Okay, that’s it. But do you guarantee that you yourself will not be outside the homeland? Thrown out, loyal and forgotten? What do you say then: a masturbist forecaster?
            ______________________________________________________
            You just do not blame a tit. They wouldn’t give birth better and no one needs to give a tit.
            But what - no, but mother. So BROTHER shut up. Let’s help mom. And he is not able to, then do not interfere under your feet.
        7. pribolt
          pribolt 26 June 2012 23: 56
          0
          Quote: Ataturk
          P.S. After Iran, the neighboring countries of Russia are in line. Or maybe Russia.

          Do not exaggerate so, after Iran, who told you what will be Iran? The Americans still have not poked their head in Syria, as though their teeth would not be broken, or even the entire jaw. And in Chechnya, I doubt very much that they want to return to what they had.
        8. Bnik
          Bnik 27 June 2012 01: 02
          0
          Everything is correct and to the point, I agree! But nevertheless, our "Vympelovtsy" could be strained, mowed the opposition leaders, etc., suddenly it would help. But again, the US economy is in F * n, and a big one, the war with Syria / Iran will still be pulled, but with Russia - never , trillions should be spent on this, but print so much, inflation will simply destroy them, and then the debt will never be paid back (although if Russia falls, then the total dominance of America will come and, under threats, the debt will be forgiven, it seems to me), so everything must be decided quickly and immediately.
      2. dark_sp
        dark_sp 26 June 2012 18: 08
        +8
        In Vietnam, not current experts and weapons helped but under the flag of Vietnam, Soviet pilots flew.
        1. Sherlock
          Sherlock 26 June 2012 18: 22
          +9
          Quote: dark_sp
          In Vietnam, not current experts and weapons helped but Soviet pilots also flew under the flag of Vietnam

          And everyone knew it and sniffed in a rag! Because the USSR was-power !!! With which it was impossible not to reckon. And now we are offered to sniff in a rag ...
      3. sapulid
        sapulid 26 June 2012 19: 53
        +5
        Damn, first, you need to raise and cleanse the country. The secret will not be secret if there are a lot of corrupt bureaucrats who have accounts over the hill. To save them, they will do anything. In addition, if the conflict goes into the open stage (which, it is possible), what can we oppose? Sometimes, you need to think with your head. China has oil there. However, they do not climb with a rifle. We put a little, freeing Euro from fascism, Bulgarians from the Turks, Europe from Napoleon ......
        1. kush62
          kush62 27 June 2012 09: 54
          +1
          especially Bulgarians from the Turks. And which of them now remembers?
      4. VAF
        VAF 26 June 2012 22: 34
        +2
        Quote: Karavan
        Well, like in Vietnam at one time!


        Like in Syria, in due time, +! good
      5. pribolt
        pribolt 26 June 2012 23: 50
        0
        Quote: Karavan

        Secretly supply him with weapons and specialists who will train the local military! Well, like in Vietnam at one time! And like the Americans in Afghanistan!

        Well, yes we can’t bring three helicopters to Syria feel
    2. pribolt
      pribolt 26 June 2012 23: 47
      0
      Quote: Leha e-mine
      How exactly can RUSSIA help Assad and not get involved in the war with the WEST?

      I can’t understand this either feel
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 June 2012 07: 31
    +11
    Not only Ivashov thinks so, but everyone who understands what the West is like.
    1. esaul
      esaul 26 June 2012 08: 27
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      but everyone who understands

      Greetings, Sasha! I absolutely agree with you! Russia and China now serve as a muzzle for NATO - it does not cause pain and does not allow the entire district to bite. Only causes attacks of rabies. But, as a rule, after these attacks there is no time of hopeless calmness in the "patient".
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 June 2012 09: 02
        +5
        Hi Valera, the current patient is already in economic agony. The diagnosis, the doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue! There is nothing to self-medicate.
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 26 June 2012 10: 44
        +3
        "Everyone who was especially firing pin was attached to the backs of the beds, the paranoid was beating in the foam, like the witcher at the Sabbath." A good word and Colt convince better than just a kind word. A kind word is diplomacy, what are the proposals for Colt?
        1. 755962
          755962 26 June 2012 16: 11
          +3
          Assad does not have enough political will. Ivashov is right, he can’t stand alone. And the fact that Syria is the last outpost on the way to an "economic war" with the West is as clear as God's day. Look, the amers already have plans for the benefit of Qatari. Then we will definitely bite our elbows that we did not hurry up in due time.
      3. RUSSIA75
        RUSSIA75 26 June 2012 19: 36
        +3
        Quote: esaul
        Greetings, Sasha! I absolutely agree with you! Russia and China now serve as a muzzle for NATO - it does not cause pain and does not allow the entire district to bite. Only causes attacks of rabies. But, as a rule, after these attacks there is no time of hopeless calmness in the "patient".

        I would be in Putin's place, at the summit, when he was talking to Obama, I did so, as soon as Abama hinted at Syria, I would immediately say, "dear" colleague! How do you feel about nuclear war? At the same time, nervously rubbing the nuclear briefcase, with an insane gleam in his eyes, a man who cares about everything! I assure you AMER WOULD BE THOUGHTED! what This is of course a joke, but as you know in every joke, there is only a fraction of the same joke. In my opinion, a hint could be made, it would certainly have worked. In the old days, the threat of universal annihilation acted sobering, on a violent head. drinks
        1. Bnik
          Bnik 27 June 2012 01: 11
          0
          Yeah, maybe even the whole world can announce that the missiles are aimed at America? The only hint that I respect is putting rockets in Cuba, which for them is like a red rag for a bull.
    2. David Lynch
      David Lynch 26 June 2012 11: 56
      0
      And even the West itself
      Ron Paul's speech in the US Congress June 19, 2012:

      “For many months, the international community has been discussing the plans, rumors and propaganda of the war with Syria, as well as the overthrow of Assad.

      However, last week it became known that the Pentagon had already considered plans for an attack on Syria. In my opinion, all the evidence that justifies the attack on Syria is false.

      Evidence is the same pretext as it was during the invasion of Iraq in 2003 or during the attack on Libya in 2011.

      The funds spent in those wars should make us stop until all efforts are again directed towards the occupation and regime change in Syria.

      Starting a stupid escalation of violence in the Middle East is not in the interests of US national security. There should be no doubt that in the interests of US national security, it is best not to participate in the internal struggle that is currently raging in Syria.

      We are already too active in supporting the Syrian forces, which seek to overthrow the current government. Without outside intervention, the struggle that many international observers have called the Civil War at present is likely to end.

      Whether we will attack or not attack Syria, occupy it and create a new regime that we can control is a serious constitutional issue. And the most important question will be - who will give the president such power?

      After the Second World War, no one began to pay attention to the relevant authorities, which gave permission for the war. This right passed into the competence of international organizations such as the UN and NATO and into the hands of the president himself, while the opinion of the US Congress was not taken into account. And, unfortunately, people do not mind this.

      Our last presidents argued that permission to start a war was not in the jurisdiction of the US Congress. The most striking example of this was the war in Korea, which began in 1950. The United States fought on the side of South Korea with the approval of the United Nations, but without the approval of the US Congress.

      And again, we are going to participate in military operations against Syria and again we can start an irresponsible "cold war" with Russia.

      At present, we are playing with Russia a child’s game “knives,” which poses a much greater threat to our security than Syria.

      What would be our actions towards Russia in Mexico if it required humanitarian intervention to end the violence on the US-Mexican border?

      We would consider it a legitimate interest for us. But America’s participation in the armed conflict in Syria, where the Russians have a legitimate naval base, will be the equivalent of deploying Russian forces in our backyard in Mexico.

      We are hypocritical when we condemn Russia for protecting its interests in neighboring countries - in what we did ourselves, thousands of miles from our shores.

      For us, there is no benefit in choosing a party, providing secret assistance and encouraging a civil war in order to change the system in Syria.

      False accusations of Russia in the delivery of military helicopters to the Assad regime are an unnecessary provocation.

      The false accusations of the Assad government of the so-called massacre of warring rebel factions are nothing more than propaganda for the war.

      Currently, most knowledgeable people recognize that the planned war against Syria will be the next step towards a war with Iran.

      Neocons openly acknowledge this fact.

      The neocons, who have been regulating US foreign policy over the past few decades, want to establish control over Iranian oil. They were able to gain control over the oil of Saudi Arabia and tried to establish control over Iraqi oil.

      Without significant changes in our foreign policy, war is inevitable, and it will begin in the near future.

      The differences between the two political parties are insignificant. Both parties agree with the idea of ​​ending the allocation of funds for the war. But not a single party wants to abandon our aggressive and growing presence in the Middle East and South Asia. This escalating moment can easily get out of control and turn into a more serious war than a simple routine occupation and regime change in another country.

      The time has come for the United States to try to pursue diplomacy, seek peace, and build trade and friendly relations. We must abandon our military efforts, which are aimed at protecting the American empire and leading it to first place in the world.

      We cannot allow our country to decline. And worst of all, we are following Osama bin Laden’s strategy, which wanted us to be stuck in the Middle East for a long time and America to go bankrupt.

      The time has come to bring our troops home and follow the foreign policy of total non-interference, which is the only road to peace and prosperity.

      This week, I am introducing a law that prohibits the government, without declaring war on the US Congress, from supporting, directly or indirectly, any military or paramilitary operations in Syria. I hope that my colleagues will join me in my efforts. ”
  3. Ascetic
    Ascetic 26 June 2012 07: 36
    +13
    I deeply doubt that the military pilot, admiring the marvelous landscape, flew into a foreign country at a very low altitude, with which relations are already strained. this is coastal reconnaissance launched by the Americans. the fact is that Syria has at least 2 PBRK Bastion, among other things, these things really interfere with the Americans; Madame Herali personally asked Medvedev by telephone to stop delivering these Syrian systems. plus look at the feel of what they have for their air defense, does it work ... felt it .. the pilots and those who sent them there did not expect at all that they would be detected so quickly and even more so if they were knocked over, it’s not very convenient to find, neither save, nor evidence. and then the second one was fucked up.
    Syrian military fired on another Turkish plane
    My webpage
    PBRK Bastion and its main weapon - PKR "Onyx"
    My webpage
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 26 June 2012 09: 34
      +8
      They didn’t freak, but lit up his way in the night sky, so as not to get lost! Democratic should be stated, more democratic!
      1. mihos ve
        mihos ve 26 June 2012 22: 01
        0
        At the command-FIRE, light the lanterns-FRIENDS !!!




























    2. speedy
      speedy 26 June 2012 11: 48
      +6
      Judging by the tacks that the phantom wrote out, it was reconnaissance of radar fields, it began from afar, gradually approaching the Syrian coast, moving to an extremely small one. It was shot down a kilometer from the coastline by barrel artillery, and this is a gross violation of the 12-mile zone of the territorial waters of a sovereign state. The Turks stated that the phantom was shot down 13 miles from the coast, but you show me a sample of the artillery capable of such a distance ... and even as small as possible. But there was a reason for NATO aggression, and if the anti-Western coalition does not work out in the shortest possible time, there will be a big trouble, Ivashov is right!
      1. Trailer
        Trailer 26 June 2012 13: 23
        +5
        Aggression will not be now! Ahead of the Olympics! But after the elections in America, when everything settles down, then wait for the fireshow!
        1. pu
          pu 26 June 2012 21: 22
          +7
          Trailer,
          The last time the Olympics did not stop them! The Olympics for such scumbags - an empty place.
        2. Bnik
          Bnik 27 June 2012 01: 15
          0
          Rather, before the elections, in September - October. Obama must show what a strong and courageous leader he is, carrying "good", democracy and liberating the population from the evil "usurper" Bashar al-Assad.
  4. nokki
    nokki 26 June 2012 07: 39
    +12
    Our leadership does not have the political will to oppose the West. We pass the line abroad. The surrender of Syria is a "point of no return". After that: either a complete surrender, or a full-scale war with the West ... It will not be possible to climb "onto the ball" - "we were not standing here". For Russia is the main goal of both the West and the East!
    1. Committee
      Committee 26 June 2012 07: 50
      +2
      I share the tone, but how do you imagine "complete surrender"? And where, excuse me, are the "frontiers"? What are these "frontiers"? Maybe all the same "zone of interest"? And this is another matter, this requires other resources, but they are not there! And those who have ...
      1. mitya
        mitya 26 June 2012 08: 06
        +1
        But read our answer to the West http://warfiles.ru/show-9125-rossiya-vozvraschaetsya-na-kubu.htmll in my opinion everything is clear and understandable, but if it goes on like that, then it’s already good!
        1. Sakhalininsk
          Sakhalininsk 26 June 2012 09: 03
          +3
          Quote: mitya
          But read our answer to the West http://warfiles.ru/show-9125-rossiya-vozvraschaetsya-na-kubu.htmll in my opinion everything is clear and understandable, but if it goes on like that, then it’s already good!


          To be honest, this is more like a fake. If this were so, then there would already be a howl to heaven. So far it seems like cheap provocation, although if this happened, I personally would have won unrealistic respect for V.V. To Putin.
          1. mitya
            mitya 26 June 2012 09: 28
            +3
            So howl will still be, here we look at the week, soon the old senile will conquer.
          2. Trailer
            Trailer 26 June 2012 09: 36
            +3
            While in Cuba, only an American prison is standing! So, the big question is who is Cuba walking under!
          3. kuzmich
            kuzmich 26 June 2012 21: 44
            0
            http://news.rambler.ru/14479679/ да все сливаем Сирию,наше ярмо ведет свою игру,нам только постить остается и ждать когда нас совсем в стойло загонят.
        2. Ilyich
          Ilyich 26 June 2012 14: 20
          +5
          read, we know ... This is one of the fake news portals. There are no "Oaks", this should be alarming in the first place. Well, read the rest of the news on the same site. There is not a word of truth on it
          1. lcalex
            lcalex 26 June 2012 16: 02
            +8
            Quote: Ilyich
            This is one of the fake news portals. There are no "Oaks"

            So I didn’t taste it: did the GDP really push such a speech?

            If so, it just makes me happy
            1. The Shrew
              The Shrew 26 June 2012 16: 23
              +8
              lcalex,
              Even if he didn’t say it, he thought exactly that!
            2. Ilyich
              Ilyich 26 June 2012 18: 51
              0
              No. There are no oaks and no speeches
    2. esaul
      esaul 26 June 2012 08: 47
      +7
      Quote: nokki
      Our leadership has no political will to oppose the West

      Gene, I welcome and, as an objection, I’ll give you this info

      ----------- At a meeting of the G20 in Mexico, Putin and Obama discussed a number of military issues, including the alarming buildup of the US missile defense system near Russia's borders. The conversation took place at the Esperanza Hotel, which in Spanish means hope. This hotel at the time of the G20 summit became Obama's residence. It turns out that formally negotiations are taking place on American territory. According to CNN, journalists were not allowed to negotiate. However, after the conversation, Vladimir Putin went into the hotel lobby and made an unexpectedly harsh statement to the press.

      “In the 2001 year, I, as the President of the Russian Federation and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, recognized that it would be expedient to withdraw the Lourdes radio-electronic center from Cuba. In exchange for this, George W. Bush, then president of the United States, assured me that this decision will be the final confirmation that the Cold War is over and that both of our states, having got rid of the relics of the Cold War, will begin to build new relations based on cooperation and transparency. In particular, Bush convinced me that the American missile defense system would never be deployed in Eastern Europe.

      The Russian Federation has complied with all the terms of the agreement. And even more. I closed not only the Cuban Lourdes, but also the Camran in Vietnam. Closed because he gave his word of honor. I, as a man, kept my word. What did the Americans do? Americans are not responsible for their "bazaar." It is no secret that in recent years the USA has created a buffer zone around Russia, involving in this process not only the countries of Central Europe, but also the Baltic states, Ukraine, and the Caucasus. The answer to this could only be an asymmetric expansion of the Russian military presence abroad, in particular in Cuba.

      In Cuba, there are convenient bays for calling our reconnaissance and warships, a network of so-called "jump airfields." With the full consent of the Cuban leadership on 11 this May, our country not only resumed operation of the radio-electronic center in Lourdes, but also deployed the latest Oak mobile nuclear strategic missile systems on the island. We didn’t want it in a good way, now let the cabbage soup slurp with bast shoes, ”Vladimir Putin emotionally finished his speech to stunned reporters and television reporters.

      ---------- gleaned from a military site. So thE-E-Eh - for nothing you so, sir! ...
      1. korvin1976
        korvin1976 26 June 2012 08: 57
        +2
        That’s why I always respected Putin, because he could always deliver the right turn of speech, to say clearly, easily and concisely.
        Putin has not heard this speech before, but if this is the truth of his word, then all aggravation after the big 20 is understandable.
        Putin is not Khrushchev, he knows how to show "Kuzkin's mother" and at the same time will not knock on the podium with his boot.
        If everything is so, then we are waiting for the development of events, and they will not be long in coming.
        It has already begun: a downed Turkish plane on the day of the beginning of the Second World War, preparation for the launch of our ships.
        It smells and smells like chocolate
      2. Trudy
        Trudy 26 June 2012 09: 13
        0
        I, as a man, kept my word


        Oh, and our little Putin! Long years to him!
      3. vorobey
        vorobey 26 June 2012 09: 42
        +5
        Hello Valera. Where do you get such facts? share the secret. Cool news. It turns out Lamb now you will not envy? On one side, elections and rkspulykantsy, on the other possible greetings from Cuban territory, on the third unbending Syria, And Russia and China as a splinter with its veto.
      4. Curculum
        Curculum 26 June 2012 09: 50
        +2
        Quote: esaul
        Putin and Obama discuss military issues at GXNUMX meeting in Mexico

        Guys, in my opinion, this is complete disinformation. Otherwise, what kind of cry would the BBC, CNN and others raise if it were? am
        But from them - silence. winked
        1. korvin1976
          korvin1976 26 June 2012 10: 05
          +4
          The fact of the matter is that it is not a fact that they would raise a howl. This is very unprofitable for the American government. If the Americans learn about the cube, the northern fluffy will come to Obama, and the elections can be merged in full.
        2. cvx
          cvx 26 June 2012 10: 22
          +2
          The latest mobile nuclear strategic missile systems were deployed on the island not "Oak", but "From an oak tree fell"
      5. yanus
        yanus 26 June 2012 11: 09
        +5
        esaul,
        This is such a dull stuffing that it makes no sense to comment.
        The latest mobile nuclear strategic missile systems "Dub" alone are worth what, the authors hold you for morons, and you are happy to try, you have already spammed links on a bunch of sites, accumulated wherever you go.
      6. Trudy
        Trudy 26 June 2012 11: 28
        +9
        And here is Ron Paul's speech in the US Congress. Notice how it intersects with Putin's words.
        “For many months, the international community has been discussing the plans, rumors and propaganda of the war with Syria, as well as the overthrow of Assad. However, last week it became known that the Pentagon had already considered plans for an attack on Syria. In my opinion, all the evidence that justifies the attack on Syria is false.

        Evidence is the same pretext as it was during the invasion of Iraq in 2003 or during the attack on Libya in 2011. The funds spent in those wars should make us stop until all efforts are again directed towards the occupation and regime change in Syria.

        Starting a stupid escalation of violence in the Middle East is not in the interests of US national security. There should be no doubt that in the interests of US national security, it is best not to participate in the internal struggle that is currently raging in Syria.

        We are already too active in supporting the Syrian forces, which seek to overthrow the current government. Without outside intervention, the struggle that many international observers have called the Civil War at present is likely to end.

        Whether we will attack or not attack Syria, occupy it and create a new regime that we can control is a serious constitutional question. And the most important question will be - who will give the president such power? After the Second World War, no one began to pay attention to the relevant authorities, which gave permission for the war. This right passed into the competence of international organizations such as the UN and NATO and into the hands of the president himself, while the opinion of the US Congress was not taken into account. And, unfortunately, people do not mind this.

        Our last presidents argued that permission to start a war was not in the jurisdiction of the US Congress. The most striking example of this was the war in Korea, which began in 1950. The United States fought on the side of South Korea with the approval of the United Nations, but without the approval of the US Congress.

        And again, we are going to participate in military operations against Syria and again we can start an irresponsible "cold war" with Russia. At present, we are playing with Russia a child’s game “knives,” which poses a much greater threat to our security than Syria.

        What would our actions be in relation to Russia in Mexico if it would require humanitarian intervention to end the violence on the US-Mexican border? We would consider it a legitimate interest for us. But America’s participation in the armed conflict in Syria, where the Russians have a legitimate naval base, will be the equivalent of deploying Russian forces in our backyard in Mexico.

        We are hypocritical when we condemn Russia for protecting its interests in neighboring countries - in what we did ourselves, thousands of miles from our shores. For us, there is no benefit in choosing a party, providing secret assistance and encouraging a civil war in order to change the system in Syria.

        False accusations of Russia in the delivery of military helicopters to the Assad regime are an unnecessary provocation. The false accusations of the Assad government of the so-called massacre of warring rebel factions are nothing more than propaganda for the war. Currently, most knowledgeable people recognize that the planned war against Syria will be the next step towards a war with Iran.

        Neocons openly acknowledge this fact. They have been regulating US foreign policy in the last few decades, they want to establish control over Iranian oil. They were able to gain control over the oil of Saudi Arabia and tried to establish control over Iraqi. Without significant changes in our foreign policy, war is inevitable, and it will begin in the near future.

        The differences between the two political parties are insignificant. Both parties agree with the idea of ​​ending the allocation of funds for the war. But not a single party wants to abandon our aggressive and growing presence in the Middle East and South Asia. This escalating moment can easily get out of control and turn into a more serious war than a simple routine occupation and regime change in another country.

        The time has come for the United States to try to pursue diplomacy, seek peace, and build trade and friendly relations. We must abandon our military efforts, which are aimed at protecting the American empire and leading it to first place in the world.

        We cannot allow our country to decline. And worst of all, we are following Osama bin Laden’s strategy, which wanted us to be stuck in the Middle East for a long time and America to go bankrupt.

        The time has come to bring our troops home and follow the foreign policy of total non-interference, which is the only road to peace and prosperity.

        This week, I am introducing a law that prohibits the government, without declaring war on the US Congress, from supporting, directly or indirectly, any military or paramilitary operations in Syria. I hope that my colleagues will join me in my efforts. ”

        Here: http://perevodika.ru/articles/21579.html
        1. The Shrew
          The Shrew 26 June 2012 16: 26
          +9
          Trudy,
          I wonder who is behind this Ron? He won’t even drive a gag, even for elections. Apparently there are forces in the states that are not satisfied with the current development of events.
          1. saruman
            saruman 26 June 2012 18: 14
            +8
            Quote: The Shrew
            Apparently there are forces in the states that are not satisfied with the current development of events.


            These people are called "isolationists". They see the only way to save the United States in the policy of a new "isolationism".
            1. Sherlock
              Sherlock 26 June 2012 18: 26
              +8
              Quote: saruman
              These people are called "isolationists".

              So let them isolate, better with complete disarmament, and even better fall apart into separate sovereign states! And then, we will love the Americans with all our spiritual breadth!
          2. Ilyich
            Ilyich 26 June 2012 20: 45
            +6
            The Shrew, Something I have the feeling that Obama's ears stick out of this article. The war is very unprofitable for him now. Elections on the nose.
            No one needs more peace there: Romney - on the contrary, he can’t wait until Obama slaps his face in this salad. Industrialists have long considered future profits from military orders. But Wall Street has no choice at all - they simply need war.
            ______
            ZY
            We must abandon our military efforts, which are aimed at protecting the American empire and leading it to first place in the world.

            Interesting, interesting .. The American senator for the first time called his country an empire winked
        2. wolverine7778
          wolverine7778 26 June 2012 21: 06
          +4
          Yes, Ron Paul is aiming high for the President of the United States and even with the dead theory of "isolationism". Now is not the middle of the 19th century and the 50s and 60s of the 20th century. He will definitely bury the United States. Therefore, he will definitely fly by, the military-industrial complex will not let him near the chair. Among the Republicans, he is still a renegade. Moreover, he did not serve a single day in Vietnam. Verdict: the draft law will be thrown into the trash. what
      7. prophetic
        prophetic 26 June 2012 19: 52
        +5
        it would not be bad if it were true, but disbelief
      8. Ilyich
        Ilyich 26 June 2012 20: 11
        +2
        It's fake. Yesterday, this rubbish appeared on that website and now spreads over the network
      9. Ascetic
        Ascetic 26 June 2012 20: 32
        +8
        Greetings Valery! This is complete nonsense. Or another stupid joke with subtext. If there is RK Poplar it should be OAK - as a symbol of the Russian army according to the passionate desire of our enemies.
        There is no such type of Russian weapons: BSR-169 "Dub"
        -Don't Exist HIS in Nature

        Moreover, Russia is not going to violate the INF Treaty. And all nuclear warheads and carriers are controlled bilaterally by START-3.

        Also, the answer to the respected David on the same question in PM (I can not answer apparently the box is full)
        1. recitatorus
          recitatorus 26 June 2012 20: 50
          +8
          Quote: Ascetic
          Greetings Valery! This is complete nonsense.

          This is beautiful nonsense, Ascetic! Like a balm with a hangover!
        2. esaul
          esaul 27 June 2012 17: 59
          0
          Stanislav, greetings, buddy, and thank you for the educational program. I confess - there were doubts when I read - "Oak", but attributed it to my ignorance (can you keep track of everything?) And I really want this kind of news (brother RECITATORUS is right - a balm for the soul!), And therefore "otpipastil"
      10. mihos ve
        mihos ve 26 June 2012 22: 14
        0
        I ask for a link
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 26 June 2012 22: 39
          +3
          Quote: mihos ve
          I ask for a link


          Link to what? What is this complete nonsense? I didn’t look because it’s not comme il faut to read such nonsense

          In Russia, the second regiment, armed with a mobile strategic missile system, took up combat duty BSR-169 "Oak".

          This was reported to FogNews by a spokesman for the Russian Ministry of Defense, Colonel Vladimir Kicker. The complex is put on combat duty in Absheron missile compound of the Caspian military district.

          “He was put on combat duty as part of the mobile command post of the regiment and two missile divisions,” V. Kicker noted.

          The first missile regiment BSR-169 "Oak" took up combat duty in early June 2011. It is expected that the complete re-equipment of the Absheron forces on the Oak missile systems will be completed in 2012, after which the deployment of such systems to armament will begin Ust-Ugorsky and Kozma-Prutkovsky compounds. In the Kozma-Prutkovsky compound, the mine-based Oak complex will be put on combat duty.


          The more “Oaks” in the army, the stronger our defense
          My webpage

          Now I understand where the legs grow from?
      11. Bnik
        Bnik 27 June 2012 01: 23
        0
        Firstly, this is pure fake. Secondly, Putin was not very politically expressed, and thirdly, yes, that would be very good. BUT there is one BUT! If we had put missiles in Cuba, a new cold war would have started, from which we would have only lost because our budget wouldn’t pull it, and even if it does, we wouldn’t be allocated any money for infrastructure, education, healthcare, government! Everything would go downhill.
  5. SIA
    SIA 26 June 2012 08: 07
    +8
    If we intervene now, this is war. Although, on the other hand, it is impossible to leave Syria in its current position. That's the problem ... China, too, alone will not pull against America.
    1. The Shrew
      The Shrew 26 June 2012 16: 30
      +8
      It’s time to take control of the situation, and not to reflect. Because, even at bluffs, the bluff of the leading player, the enemy has to give all the best and invest!
  6. Gocha kurashvili
    Gocha kurashvili 26 June 2012 08: 11
    +3
    This has been discussed on the forum more than once. Enter troops to ensure the security of our base. Declare a no-fly zone with a radius of five hundred, (or how much is needed there), miles. To inform everyone that everything that will fly or swim in this sector will fail without warning. And it’s also significant to conduct breakthrough prevention exercises.
    1. Pablomc
      Pablomc 26 June 2012 08: 47
      -15
      Quote: Gocha Kurashvili
      This has been discussed on the forum more than once. Enter troops to ensure the security of our base. Declare a no-fly zone with a radius of five hundred, (or how much is needed there), miles. To inform everyone that everything that will fly or swim in this sector will fail without warning. And it’s also significant to conduct breakthrough prevention exercises.


      Gosh .... are you still at home? !!!
      And quickly go and defend the mega base of the Russian fleet in Syria !!!
      And do not forget the slingshot - a true patriot should always have air defense equipment with him!
  7. Committee
    Committee 26 June 2012 08: 35
    +1
    But I wonder why this is even possible? Reasons to be present in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria - formally exist? Any UN rules delegate this?
  8. bagira
    bagira 26 June 2012 08: 40
    0
    We need to unite with friendly states in a military bloc so that the Americans cannot destroy us individually.
    1. Committee
      Committee 26 June 2012 08: 47
      0
      Why do we need nuclear weapons then? Shall we sit and wait until we are "destroyed"? Or is it all written here for panic? To run from corner to corner and shout the guard ?! Or will we still think about how we will play in psychological war? Today the WORD is like a BULLET.
    2. Bnik
      Bnik 27 June 2012 01: 32
      0
      With Tajikistan, Ukraine, Armenia (and that is no longer a fact) and Belarus? Yeah, the Americans will immediately give us Alaska, feeling our MILITARY power! And in the case, it is necessary to unite the above countries with our country (A la USSR) and then our GDP will skyrocket, and the brotherly people, I think, will support it.
  9. Pablomc
    Pablomc 26 June 2012 08: 45
    -11
    All to the West!

    Give America and the Americans.
    Down with Ivashov and his minions!

    Syria and Iran sucks :)

    All troll Russian patriots in the morning, day and evening!
    1. esaul
      esaul 26 June 2012 09: 04
      +5
      Pablomc,

      Sweating, darling, even here. Take your soul for the humiliation of your planters. It’s you here that’s all so rollicking, brave and democratic. God willing, we’ve moved to a tempting democratic paradise so much for you, as Mr. Litvinenko’s dad moved in time, and you will also sob tearfully after a while - you will want to go back to your mother. Who are you like there (and the fact that you are not a potential Nobel laureate - this is not to go to the grandmother) is needed? Such ... good there above his roof ...
    2. mitya
      mitya 26 June 2012 09: 05
      +6
      It seems to me that you have confused the one letter in the nickname, you need not PabloMC, but PaDloMC, that's how it will be more true! smile
      1. esaul
        esaul 26 June 2012 09: 18
        +1
        Quote: mitya
        and PaDloMC, that's how it will be more true


        Dmitry, good day! And I like this writing more ... wink
        1. mitya
          mitya 26 June 2012 09: 33
          +3
          Yes, Valery, I, too, directly from such writing on my soul became more fun laughing
        2. vorobey
          vorobey 26 June 2012 09: 53
          +4
          This joke already told - I will repeat.

          A man comes to the registry office, - I want to say correspond, change my name.

          Passportist, let's see the passport. and in the passport in black and white it says VLAD SHIT. The passportist thought about it, and she says, yes, it’s difficult for you in your life, probably. How do you want to sign up?

          -I want to be Vitalik.

          So the change of nickname does not change the essence. as in that song as you were, remained so. Let him be called an angel.
          1. escobar
            escobar 26 June 2012 14: 11
            +2
            This joke already told - I will repeat.
            ran into a wife kapeeeyezzst))))))))))
      2. Trailer
        Trailer 26 June 2012 09: 38
        0
        it is better to remove ABLO, and it will be good!
    3. Trudy
      Trudy 26 June 2012 09: 17
      +2
      Pescho ischo poems, Pablo Neruda. Current navel do not tear.
    4. Trailer
      Trailer 26 June 2012 09: 37
      0
      PabloMC! Do you know what in abbreviation forms your name? Don't be so angry!
    5. Curculum
      Curculum 26 June 2012 10: 05
      +7
      Quote: PabloMC
      Give America and the Americans.

      Apparently, America will be the first country to ban sex because of impairment of the rights of impotent people. laughing
    6. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 26 June 2012 12: 28
      +2
      Humble yourself, NATO destroyer is destroyed, another wounded man returned on parole. What will you do? What is the unacceptable behavior of Assad, the very fact that you are not running to overthrow him in the forefront?
  10. AIvanA
    AIvanA 26 June 2012 08: 46
    +1
    The fact that Assad (read independent Syria) cannot stand without help is proved to us by Iraq and Libya, but how to organize this business is the question, and the most unpleasant thing, that the time for the most effective influence is running out at a fabulous speed, send Russia your warships to the shores Syria half a month ago, the situation would have evolved differently, but the flight of high-ranking rats is already alarming, so time is running out irrevocably, and Assad has little combat complexes to repel aggression and the chance to win is to prevent the aggression itself.
  11. patriot2
    patriot2 26 June 2012 08: 53
    +1
    esaul, as if our "oaks" were planted in Cuba? If true, then a wonderful response to the states for the dastardly and treacherous policy towards Russia.
    Pablomc, but you are still in Russia and have not yet come for you?
    1. esaul
      esaul 26 June 2012 09: 05
      +2
      Kolya, welcome! I give a link

      http://warfiles.ru/show-9125-rossiya-vozvraschaetsya-na-kubu.html

      Reception ... laughing
      1. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 26 June 2012 09: 31
        0
        Quote: esaul

        Kolya, welcome! I give a link

        Valery welcome, but in the same place and these articles are the same author
        PAK FA crash in Komsomolsk-on-Amur
        Dmitry Medvedev dismissed Anatoly Serdyukov

        and I did not find other links on the same topic
      2. Cadet787
        Cadet787 26 June 2012 09: 38
        +2
        Greetings to Valera. Syria needs help, but how can one not be dragged into the war, is that a question?
        1. esaul
          esaul 26 June 2012 19: 38
          0
          Quote: Cadet787
          Syria needs to be helped, but how can one not be drawn into the war, is that a question?

          Greetings, George. The question is not an easy one ... But, it seems, Putin is not badly oriented in the situation - he is oppressive, but he does not bend. Now the position of Russia is perceived already without the previous squeal and spatter.
      3. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 26 June 2012 09: 41
        +1
        Quote: esaul
        I give a link

        http://warfiles.ru/show-9125-rossiya-vozvraschaetsya-na-kubu.html

        Valery I welcome, and whether there is information from official news agencies, all link to this site
        1. esaul
          esaul 26 June 2012 19: 13
          +1
          Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
          and if there is information from official news agencies, all link to this site

          Stas, welcome. Additional sources - no. And I didn't have time for additional searches - I was in a hurry to get to work. Some colleagues see signs of deza. I will not restrain myself, refuting, but the fact that the movement in Cuba and Cam Ranh has gone is evidenced by the burst of activity of minke whales in these areas and, specifically, in these points! The mattress covers directly began to offer the Vietnamese assistance in protecting their interests from the encroachments of China and are asking for a post on the territories of those bases that they occupied in the US-Vietnamese war. We will wait for the reaction of the Vietnamese ... In Cuba, the same thing - "a change in attitudes in relationships" ...
          ... There may be journalistic incompetence in conjunction with the desire to dazzle with bright information. Could also confuse "Buki" with "Oaks" ...
      4. Committee
        Committee 26 June 2012 09: 48
        +3
        Guys, that's enough already. This is Fake 100%! nice of course, but not so. In the 60s, this led to the Caribbean Crisis ... Anyway, the tone of writing, after all, speaks for itself. Thieves jargon and all. Although beautiful of course!
      5. expert2008
        expert2008 26 June 2012 15: 58
        +2
        Apparently, all the same, desa. There are also such links below the article:
        Other headings:
        PAK FA crash in Komsomolsk-on-Amur
        Bundeswehr innovations in the service of Russian politics
        Dmitry Medvedev dismissed Anatoly Serdyukov
        BTR-101v "I-Ven-Go" (Aivengo)
        TOS-2 "Fidget"
    2. dmb
      dmb 26 June 2012 10: 23
      +3
      Kolya, be sure to follow the link. You will learn a lot of funny things. In particular, in addition to the masterpiece of the clinic called the "Oak mobile strategic complex", there is also a terrible military secret about the existence of the Caspian Military District and the Kozma-Prutkovsky connection in Russia. On the same resource, you will find a message about the signing by President Medvedev of a decree on the resignation of Serdyukov I am now convinced of one thing: "Esaul" loves Putin just like that, not for money, because otherwise, those who pay the PR specialists could not only take away their royalties, but also stuff their face for discrediting.
      1. esaul
        esaul 26 June 2012 18: 13
        +2
        Quote: dmb
        Esaul loves Putin


        You have confused something. Is it you, in your adoration of universal and democratic values, learned from the West talerance and all relationships between people, regardless of gender, measure the word - "love"? Less need to get carried away with reading about unconventionally oriented people and learn to understand that besides the word I love (which in my understanding is applicable either to a woman or, in a paternal sense, to my children and, in a filial sense, to parents) there is such a word, as "respect". Yes, I respect Putin. I respect that he instilled in the hearts of our people an already fading feeling of patriotism and made MIR reckon with Russia's position. And I am grateful to you for having explained to those who, with the monotony of the metronome, convict me of paying for my position (otherwise I was already sick of answering) that I am showing my respect - not for money. Low bow to you for your help, DMB and plus from me!
        1. dmb
          dmb 27 June 2012 11: 13
          0
          Thank you for the plus, although it doesn't really matter to me, but judging by the comment, you really have problems with love. For this concept is somewhat broader than that proposed by you. Your conclusion about my fascination with such literature has also ripened, as well as the information you submitted about Oaks. I don’t dare to teach you, I can only recommend, read more in general, then you don’t have to blush for such "bloopers"
    3. PabloMsk
      PabloMsk 26 June 2012 14: 08
      0
      Quote: patriot2
      PabloMC, but you are still in Russia and haven’t come for you yet?


      The trouble .... is still here :)
      You didn’t get me a greencard ...
      I have to pay taxes in Russia :)
      1. expert2008
        expert2008 26 June 2012 16: 03
        +2
        And you, PMC, apparently in childhood they hit him hard .... with their feet below their backs ... or are they also continuing now?
  12. igor_ua.
    igor_ua. 26 June 2012 09: 48
    0
    Quote: Cadet787
    Syria needs to be helped, but how can one not be drawn into the war, is that a question?

    But they would have leaked to the entire "progressive" media community, who, where, when supplying weapons to the "opposition", would ring out from all sites, arrange anti-PR like during the Vietnam War .. A very effective thing, especially against the background of a couple more - three launches of Bulava from the Middle Sea and some joint air defense exercises with Syria
  13. warrior
    warrior 26 June 2012 09: 49
    -3
    A Christian needs to think twice before interfering in Muhsühlman affairs. And if that Christian is an Orthodox Russian, then we must take into account the fact that he has already been declared an "enemy of Islam."
    So, let's imagine that the dream of some "radicals of the forum" will come true and Russian troops will appear in Syria or somewhere else in the Arab world of Mussulman. Let's look at the military logistic problems separately, I want to talk about ideological problems.
    How will Müsühlmann react to this? They will take this as a continuation of the beating of the Russians by the Muslims of Afghanistan and Chechnya, as an Orthodox "crusade against Islam," and so on, etc. It should be borne in mind that the Muslims, especially the uneducated, readily believe in this propaganda.
    Now the Assad clan’s opposition is motley and has internal contradictions. The only thing that can consolidate it is the emergence of a new external enemy with a religious coloring. Moreover, the Assads themselves and all Assad’s allies inside Syria will lose their face, they will be treated as assistants to the crusaders and enemies of Islam. In short, all the rhetoric used by the Muslim radicals against the United States will turn against the Russians. The image of Russia in the Muslim world will be shaken and it will be easy to convince to take retaliatory actions against Russia.
    It seems that Assad himself understands all this better than me and openly did not call Russia for help.
    Do not forget that the main supporters of the Syrian opposition are OPEC countries. And they know how to damage Rosiy without any weapons. Just by lowering oil prices, gas will follow.
    It will benefit all consumers, especially the EU and China. In particular, Bulgaria is currently negotiating both gas prices and South Stream. Tactics of a Bulgarian country - pull negotiations. And this tactic is successful, the oil prices are falling. If Russia gets involved in the war as well, then generally a gift.

    So if Russia intends to safeguard its interests, it is not necessary to intervene uninvited in the Muslim world, otherwise it will be worse.
    in the end, funny - Syrian anti-Putin poster laughing
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 26 June 2012 10: 00
      +4
      The Turks taught you, taught, but the students of you can be seen traveling.
    2. Trudy
      Trudy 26 June 2012 10: 14
      +4
      Voynik, there is some truth in your words. It’s good that you are not afraid to express a conflicting opinion without aggression. A plus.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 26 June 2012 10: 30
        +5
        Interesting position - Russia declared the enemy of Islam. Well, first of all, for whom was she a friend? Everyone just enjoyed and benefited.
        Over the past few years, have Americans bombed, killed, dismembered countries and called friends? Svetlana, I repeat, OPEC is not interested in low oil and gas prices. Interested in individual countries and especially Saudis and Qatar. And then only at the initial stage. Qatar and the Saudis are trying to dominate the BV as faithful dogs of America and with their permission and filing. Liquefied gas does not give such a profit. and with tankers a lot of trouble. We need a pipe, but it is not. Syria and Iran interfere. Syria will fall, then gas will fall in price. And back to the memorable 90. By the way, why the Saudis acquire 600-800 tanks. For what purpose. Voynik, the desire for a freebie is common to everyone, but are you sure that you will receive gas on the cheap?
        1. Trudy
          Trudy 26 June 2012 10: 51
          +3
          Sanya, hi! I agree with Voinik that the information war is not asleep, and incites hostility against Christians for any reason. And so - I agree with you on everything. But the truth is somewhere in between. Something like this.
        2. vorobey
          vorobey 26 June 2012 11: 03
          +5
          The United States, with the help of Qatar, intends to significantly reduce oil prices in order to bankrupt Russia. Qatar, the owner of the largest gas reserves and, in combination, the US support in the Persian Gulf, is building a grandiose infrastructure designed to ensure the transportation of liquefied gas to Europe. The bill goes to dozens of terminals throughout Europe and is matched to hundreds of ocean gas carriers. Entering the infrastructure of 2014-2016. The mere presence of this fleet will allow Qatar (USA) to put Gazprom (Russia) in an uncomfortable position. However, the main battle is Syria. The laying of a pipe from Qatar through Syria to the Mediterranean Sea, to Turkey and further to Europe is almost guaranteed to lead Russia to financial collapse and, as a result, to dismemberment and disposal.
          The coordinator of the international expert group IA REX, Sergei Sibiryakov, conducted a survey on the topic “Do you believe that the United States and Qatar have decided to bankrupt Russia?” In the Hydepark social network.
          Survey results on the topic “Do you believe that the US and Qatar are planning to bankrupt Russia?” subject to answer options:
          • “No” - 343 people, which accounted for 18% of the number of survey participants;
          •"Yes. It’s a very real version ”- 1257 people, which accounted for 67% of the number of survey participants;
          • “It is difficult to answer” - 129 people, which amounted to 7% of the number of survey participants;
          • “Your answer option” -148 people, which amounted to 8% of the number of participants in the survey.
          We give the most interesting comments to the survey:
          Valery Nenakhov:
          If the price of oil drops to $ 10 per barrel, production stops in Canada, Venezuela, the Gulf of Mexico, and the North Sea - American TNCs will lose the most. This is equivalent to the fact that in the desert near a barrel of water the sufferers say to the seller of water - soon you will go bankrupt when we stop drinking. A sharp drop in gas prices - first of all, Russia wins, we have one of the lowest gas production costs in the world + a perfect transport infrastructure that allows us to quickly increase supplies. A fall in gas prices is the killing of our competitors (Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, the UK, almost all of Europe’s own production will go bankrupt), and Russia has a huge margin of safety. We are strong, and in gas we bank, everything that is not done is all in our favor.

          Vladimir Borodin:
          Then, in the 80s, there was the USSR, and now another country, Russia, is also strapped to the dollar, which is kept on the ruble as well. One option is to switch to settlements without a dollar. In general, it is necessary to deprive the US dollar of international currency status. How can a country with a huge budget deficit dictate financial policies to the rest of the world? Fell the dollar and the USA! How much can one America feed the whole world?

          Maxim Sabaitis:
          We look at the technical capabilities of Qatar's LNG terminals - they are great only in the context of transporting liquefied gas, but in comparison with pipelines, a drop in the ocean. The USA has no pipelines to the main consumers of Russian gas. Therefore, this is just noise. They can slightly reduce the price, but drop so that it becomes critical for Russia-will not work. To do this, it is necessary to build pipelines long and hard. Or increase the capacity of LNG terminals + 8-10 times + a specialized fleet every 5-6 times (which is also not an option, because the terminals for receiving gas at the other end are still needed).

          Pavel Chebotarev:
          It makes no sense. Oil and gas are exported from the country, all profits are deposited, both officially and stolen, in the west, in their banks, where this money is spent. Crumbs are imported into Russia, which are also stolen and exported from the country. What is the point of lowering prices? Who will suffer from this? This thief will not be able to hold on to power; people can come to power who will think about the country and not about their own pockets. And what, someone in the West needs such people?

          Magomed Ramazanov:
          What do you think, if in the 80s the whole world traded oil for $ 9-10 a barrel, having accumulated a small supply, this cannot be done today? The deep delusion of those in power who consider this impossible. They want to bankrupt Russia not only physically, but also morally. Although it’s too late, yet Russia will need to establish the production of everyday goods that fully satisfy the needs of its population, and raise the status of family and marriage institutions to the rank of state, revive the lands of settlements, clearing the windbreak and oppressing weeds, otherwise the Russian population will die out.

          Evgeny Tsarev:
          Yes, this option is being considered in relation to Russia, in connection with its support of Assad. And not the United States, but it was proposed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar acts as a mouthpiece. Which Russia threw at the agreements on terrorist attacks in Qatar, which really offended the emir.
          We add that the survey was conducted from April 4 to 9. It was attended by 1877 bloggers who left 281 comments on the topic of the survey.

          Recall that the professor, Doctor of Economics Marat Musin warns that the United States decided to repeat its successful experience of the 80s, when they, together with Saudi Arabia, lowered oil prices for several years to 9-10 dollars per barrel and thereby bankrupted THE USSR. Now, probably, they can do the same with gas prices, bankrupt Russia, with the help of Qatar.
          International expert group IA REX

          Source - http://anna-news.info/node/6258
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 26 June 2012 11: 15
            +3
            After the destruction of Syrian air defense by the Phantom reconnaissance aircraft of the Turkish Air Force, the global media are talking with might and main about a possible war between the two countries. However, it is possible that other states will take part in the new large-scale conflict in the Middle East.

            Indeed, today, representatives of many Arab countries are fighting on the side of the Syrian rebels (both ideological Islamists from al-Qaeda and the mercenaries paid by Saudi Arabia and Qatar), and, together with the army and police units loyal to Assad, Iranians and militants of Lebanese Hezbollah ". Such a situation could theoretically lead to a direct clash of the Gulf monarchies with Iran - the main ally of Damascus. In this regard, it makes sense to compare the military potentials of potential opponents.

            http://warfiles.ru/show-9135-shest-arabskih-monarhiy-protiv-irana.html
            1. Ataturk
              Ataturk 26 June 2012 14: 28
              0
              all right my friend. Plus you
    3. htpm100
      htpm100 26 June 2012 10: 19
      +2
      "And if that Christian is an Orthodox Russian, then we must take into account the fact that he has already been declared an" enemy of Islam. "Whoever told you such a feeling, I am familiar with the Arabs from Palistina who have been to Syria and they treat Russians very well, regardless of what we have different religions, yes, of course, with our intervention, the rebels will try to play the "crusade" card, but believe me, these rebels do not have much weight in the Arab world, and most of the population of Syria itself is for Assad and will be happy with our troops.
    4. Curculum
      Curculum 26 June 2012 10: 30
      0
      Quote: warrior
      A Christian needs to think twice before interfering in Muhsühlman affairs. And if that Christian is an Orthodox Russian, then we must take into account the fact that he has already been declared an "enemy of Islam."

      The person who wrote this should learn some grammar and geography, learn to use a modern atlas and find 6 differences between "Russian" and "Russian". Then lapses like "Russian muesulman" will not be allowed.
      Quote: warrior
      In particular, Bulgaria is currently negotiating both gas prices and South Stream. Tactics of a Bulgarian country - pull negotiations.

      If the Russian Federation does not work for something and / or the Bulgarians are stupid, there are more accommodating Romanians and, in the event of Bulgaria's refusal, a gas pipeline will be laid through Romania. And then - load the oranges in barrels, bros. laughing
    5. AIvanA
      AIvanA 26 June 2012 11: 50
      +1
      I attached a good picture, according to my intellect, but I don’t want to think stupidly, there’s absolutely nothing to do with Muslim affairs, you are being attacked by proud puppeteers like English puppeteers, and you don’t care who tear your Muslims, Christians or say so to Buddhists, what a difference, I repeat the meanness, arrogance, betrayal of nationality and religion do not have, and your gibberish post and even the poster is far from humorous that smell like that.
    6. PabloMsk
      PabloMsk 26 June 2012 14: 07
      -1
      warrior,

      Yes you do not worry Voynik :)
      There are few with brains in order ....

      I tell them to have sex more, but they all want to fight :)
      They didn’t see the world ...., they weren’t really anywhere, but they are ready to pour hatred into buckets .....
    7. kush62
      kush62 27 June 2012 10: 58
      0
      don’t need to intervene uninvited in the Muslim world - it’s better to send this request to the websites of Americans and others like them
  14. htpm100
    htpm100 26 June 2012 10: 12
    +3
    In my opinion, NATO will wait until the rebels, with their active support, capture the key air defense basing points and military aerodromes and only then announce an unmanned zone knowing the complete inviolability of their air forces.
  15. korvin1976
    korvin1976 26 June 2012 10: 14
    +6
    Syria must help itself first.
    The idea is of course crazy, but ..........
    If Syria now calls itself something like some kind of autonomy of Russia, on certain specific conditions. That Syrian-Russian autonomy will already be completely under the jurisdiction of Russia, but will continue to live without Russia's interference in Syria's internal political affairs.
    This option will solve many problems at once.

    I understand the idea of ​​nonsense, do not deny cruelly smile

    ps in every joke there is a fraction of a joke!
  16. raptorr
    raptorr 26 June 2012 10: 47
    -4
    And what prevents Mr. Assad from resigning and leaving somewhere in Iran, Venezuela or the DPRK, for example. It may be possible to avoid mass bloodshed and he himself will live for some time. After all, if it flutters, it’ll only make worse for itself and the population under its control. The chance to survive with him is 0.
    1. PabloMsk
      PabloMsk 26 June 2012 14: 00
      0
      Quote: raptorr
      And what prevents Mr. Assad from resigning and leaving somewhere in Iran, Venezuela or the DPRK, for example. It may be possible to avoid mass bloodshed and he himself will live for some time. After all, if it flutters, it’ll only make worse for itself and the population under its control. The chance to survive with him is 0.


      Good idea :)
      Chavez surely Assad will shelter :)

      But he won’t leave ... he will be the same as in Libya.
    2. Ilyich
      Ilyich 26 June 2012 21: 19
      +3
      Quote: raptorr
      Venezuela or North Korea, for example. It may be possible to avoid mass bloodshed and he himself will live for some time. After all, if it flutters, it’ll only make worse for itself and the population under its control. The chance to survive with him is 0.

      =
      "Stafaysya! Resistance is useless! Great Germany is quarantining shisn and good food!"

      Heard already. We know ... Damn, nothing has changed since Dr. Goebbels laughing
    3. 11Goor11
      11Goor11 26 June 2012 22: 44
      +1
      And take out with you the rest of the people that your friends, the terrorists, will kill as soon as they come to power?
      Good advice. Advise this to your beloved American government, because they ALREADY HAVE EAST DISSATISFIED with their actions, US citizens !!!
      As the most democratic government in the world, it must collect money and clean up in good health, so as not to upset part of its people! Otherwise, these "seize Wall Street" will take up arms and then the US government will have to leave without options, but at the same time, in disgrace!!! Does that sound silly? Your super-democratic US government is more likely to shoot most of its people with expansive bullets than to leave power. And he will say that he did this to preserve the law, stability and world peace.
  17. btsypulin
    btsypulin 26 June 2012 11: 00
    0
    The United States believes that the Syrian authorities deliberately shot down a Turkish Air Force fighter and must answer for this. "We will work with Turkey and our other partners to ensure that Bashar al-Assad's regime is held accountable for this," White House spokesman Jay Carney said Monday. He said US officials are "in close consultation" with Turkish counterparts, who are continuing to investigate the incident.

    The Turkish government said that a military aircraft was shot down on Friday by Syrian air defense in neutral airspace, but Ankara does not intend to start a war because of this. Damascus claims to have acted in self-defense. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Saturday called the actions of Syria arrogant and unacceptable.

    At the same time, the White House spokesman did not specify how Syria could be held responsible for this incident. According to him, it should wait until Turkey holds consultations with NATO partners.

    According to the official representative of the State Department Victoria Nuland, Ankara has requested such consultations in accordance with the fourth chapter of the charter of the North Atlantic Alliance. "We need to see what the Turkish side has to say at the briefing, and what request it will turn to NATO," the American diplomat said. Her colleague at the Pentagon, John Kirby, said that the Turkish fighter was deliberately shot down by the Syrians, ITAR-TASS reports.
  18. ded
    ded 26 June 2012 11: 27
    +2
    I think that nobody is afraid of Russia now:
    ak-47 is a good but ancient weapon that any bandit like Somali pirates has
    Mi-24 helicopters, aircraft of the 80s Su-27, Su-25, MiG-29 (a couple of Su-30s and Su-35s will not do the weather)
    The Navy is generally a parody (1 aircraft carrier "Kuznetsov" with 10 aircraft on board and a faulty anti-ship complex for 12 missiles, 1 cruiser "Peter the Great" - which is either constantly being repaired or modernized, a pair of "Slava" class cruisers of project 1164, destroyers project 1155 (80s of production) - 8 units, one of which is in reserve, and all this "huge Armada" is spread over 4 fleets.
    And therefore, everyone knows that the second most powerful army in the world is capable of using atomic weapons only as a last resort - to blow up the whole world and die itself.
    Therefore, I think that to be afraid of the Chinese. It can turn out like in Korea (small partisan detachments of 2-3 million people created exclusively from "volunteers") and then no missiles or bombs will be enough.
    1. Ilyich
      Ilyich 27 June 2012 01: 11
      +3
      ded, not everything is so bad ...
      AK-47 has long been discontinued, but the remaining Kalash - in abundance. And in no way are they worse than those M-16s, which are no newer than these Kalash.

      The same states have the bulk of aircraft and helicopters - the same years as the MiG-29 and Su-27. The raptors do not solve the problem. In addition, in case of conflict, a significant part of the aircraft will be destroyed by ground-based air defense. At home, you know, and the walls help. And the ravines too smile

      A powerful naval fleet in Siberia and the Middle Russian Upland does not swim much. Too shallow for aircraft carriers. laughing

      Or are you going on the offensive? Crush, so to speak, the enemy in his lair? wink So there is no need to crush him. He himself will soon die of dollar leprosy ... The main thing is not to let himself
  19. escobar
    escobar 26 June 2012 14: 08
    +1
    small partisan detachments of 2–3 million each — I don’t stop laughing))) !!!
  20. Volkhov
    Volkhov 26 June 2012 16: 16
    +1
    The West defeated itself - it forced Neutral Syria to join the Nazis and even if the Syrians seize the American embassy, ​​like the Iranians in 79, the civilized world will respond with sanctions, propaganda and terrorism, but without state affiliation. Russia and China only vote in the UN, and the Americans will have to fight with a superpower. So the escalation is more likely to lead to overt attributes of the system, as in Iran.
  21. Magadan
    Magadan 26 June 2012 17: 16
    +3
    Quote: PabloMsk
    They didn’t see the world ...., they weren’t really anywhere, but they are ready to pour hatred in buckets ...

    Pablo, I just after your beloved USA, where I managed to work in the 90s, decided for myself that the best country in the world was the USSR. I'm afraid a brutal disappointment awaits you in a strange place.

    Quote: PabloMsk
    I tell them to have sex more, but they all want to fight :)

    And sex, you probably unconventional mean something like every admirer of all the Western?
  22. Horla
    Horla 26 June 2012 19: 18
    0
    I agree with Ivashov 100%
  23. bremest
    bremest 26 June 2012 19: 22
    0
    Ivashov is a powerful intellectual and draws conclusions correctly. It is only necessary to add that if we do not put NATO in the teeth in Syria, in 10 years we will reap the fruits of aggression.
  24. Oleg U
    Oleg U 26 June 2012 20: 41
    +2
    Lord! I am not satisfied with the current foreign policy of the Russian Federation. How much can you munch and beg for, when you need to take and do. The situation with Syria is generally called to lower his pants and stand in a pose. The question is why do we need the army if we give in and retreat without firing a shot, surrendering the last allies. Obscene expressions are forbidden here, but I will say the following, our officials, corrupt creatures, are only worried about their foreign accounts, who have put horseradish on the country. Hence the selling policy. Putin is in splendid isolation, and one in the field is not a warrior. And it starts to restore order, so there’s a hysteria about the regime and dictatorship.
  25. Uncle
    Uncle 26 June 2012 21: 37
    +1
    Quote: Ataturk
    I can firmly say that the Kremlin also works for them

    Knife for the heart, but it is. Moreover, these are the same people who made the revolution, or rather their spiritual descendants.
  26. Uncle
    Uncle 26 June 2012 21: 53
    +1
    On the issue of military force, I will cite a biblical example: the Felistimans went to war with the Israelis and had such a Goliath, a Felistiman warrior, very cool, but the Israelis had nothing like that. And now, before the battle, this Goliath comes out and summon the enemy from the Israeli side, one on one. And David comes out, a simple shepherd with a sling and a sword. Everyone laughs, well, where did he go, and he planted Goliath with a stone from a sling in a lobeshnik, he fell, and David cut it off and cut it off with his sword. The Israelites perked up and crushed the Felistimans. He told me that when God was with the Israelites, they succeeded in everything. We are Orthodox, a new God-chosen people, not Israel, but we, Russia. With faith in Christ, we will overcome anyone, regardless of numbers and weapons. Let me give you another example, Admiral Ushakov did not lose a single battle! So his sailors went into battle, not with a swear, which they stubbornly called Russian, but with the reading of the 50th psalm. And the cores flew right on target, and the wind changed as it should. The Turks still remember Ushakov!
  27. hommer
    hommer 27 June 2012 01: 06
    0
    In my opinion, Putin has again outplayed the West - Russia and Israel are creating a strategic alliance. Such are the brief results of an express visit to the Middle East. Israel and Russia have realized a commonality of interests with a complete and unpredictable mess in BV.
    Assad for Israel is quite an acceptable option, it is predictable, the border has always been calm, Assad, if agreed, keeps his word. Frozen frostbite is torn to replace with the help of the West, which Tel Aviv cannot like.
    This looks especially cool against the background of the Americans' open support for Muslim brothers and other Muslim terrorists.
    Do not forget about the worthless relationship between Turkey and Israel.