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In Ukraine, proposed a draft of a new combat vehicle for the Marine Corps

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On the armament of the Marine Corps of the Naval Forces of Ukraine in the near future may receive a new modern combat armored vehicle. It is reported by the national industrial portal with reference to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.


In Ukraine, proposed a draft of a new combat vehicle for the Marine Corps


As reported, 19 of April at a meeting with the Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Lieutenant-General Igor Pavlovsky, addressed the issue of providing the Marines of the Navy with a combat vehicle specifically designed to carry out the tasks inherent in these units.

The discussion proposed project armored combat vehicle armored combat vehicles code "Ataman", adopted the general outline of the future combat vehicle and identified further challenges to enterprises - participants of cooperation, for further work.

It is proposed that in a variant for the Marine Corps BBM "Ataman" will have a total weight in 23500 kg, with payload will be at least 5500 kg. The crew of the combat vehicle - 3 person, while in the troop compartment to be carried 6 marines in full combat gear. Installation of a diesel engine Deutz 410kW / 558 hp is assumed. with automatic transmission. Wheel formula 6X6.

The frontal reservation protects from the 12,7-mm caliber, side projections PZSA-5 (protection from 7,62 mm bullet of automatic cartridge 57-БЗ-231с with bullet БЗ (automatic AKM) from distance 10 m). Additional reservation is provided.

Armored car is supposed to equip the weapon station BM-3M "Sturm" (30-mm automatic gun ZTM-1 with ammunition 200 shells paired 7,62-mm machine gun CT-7,62 with ammunition 2000 cartridges, 30-mm automatic grenade launcher KBA-117, ATGM "Barrier "with four missiles).

Terms of development, testing and receipt of new armored vehicles in the army are not called.
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  1. MoJloT
    MoJloT April 26 2019 17: 26
    -2
    new combat vehicle project
    Dump it faster?
    1. 1 Navigator
      1 Navigator April 26 2019 17: 38
      +1
      Reminds humpback zepr! laughing
      1. Machine Gunner 391
        Machine Gunner 391 April 26 2019 19: 53
        -2
        Quote: Navigator 1
        Reminds humpback zepr! laughing

        So the descendants of the Sumerians, no matter what they do, anyway a hunchbacked zepar comes out. They have such karma wink
      2. self-propelled
        self-propelled April 26 2019 20: 13
        +6
        as I understand it, a marine fighting vehicle, in addition to good armoring and weapons, should also have good seaworthiness (nevertheless for the marine corps). based on the theory of navigable properties of floating machines - to ensure buoyancy, as a rule, a waterproof displacement casing is used, the dimensions and shape of which are selected so that the floating machine is held on water with desired static trim aft... while trim on the nose, when moving afloat, is undesirable. in this light, I would really like to see this car on the water - with a mass of 23 tons. and with a relatively small size of the hull, and with the front placement of the MTO (i.e., as I understand the trim on the stern will ensure the loading of the airborne compartment, which is not constant).
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins April 26 2019 21: 17
          +4
          I agree with you about seaworthiness, but I doubt about the size. That barn could still be .... Yes, and the photo is not a fact that matches. Remember how we were painted the Ukrop SPGs of Bogdan? It turned out to be completely different!)
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled April 26 2019 21: 56
            -1
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            I agree with you about seaworthiness, but I doubt about the size. That barn could still be ....

            shed shed, but there is a limit to everything. Unfortunately, I did not find data on the size of this unit (maybe a military secret, maybe I was looking badly ...) but I found such a photo

            compare the peasant in front with the height of the hull (considering the perspective) and we get the hull height (but not the hull) of something about 2.5 m, width 2.8 - 2.9 m (the ACS, with the turret from "Carnation" was built on a similar chassis). we can compare


            the body length is obviously less than that of the BTR-80 ...
            the only thing
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Yes, and the photo is not a fact that corresponds
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins April 26 2019 22: 27
              +2
              I am familiar with the layout shown in the photo. That's why there is no data, because the bandura with a tower from Carnation was just a layout. My friend at that exhibition monitored this unit. Everything was sewn with white thread and whipped up. So, real, I think, will be very different.
        2. Vinnibuh
          Vinnibuh April 26 2019 21: 29
          -5
          I hesitate to ask, is the marines the Navy? And hte they have the Navy? MB Rech? wassat
      3. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly April 27 2019 13: 59
        +1
        Such a word does not exist in the Russian language, if you lived at that time, you should know that there was constipation, not zepr
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 26 2019 17: 30
    +1
    And the protection of this weighted wheeled tank leaves much to be desired. ..
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 26 2019 20: 30
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      And the protection of this weighted wheeled tank leaves much to be desired. ..

      But how can it be on 23 t (considering the payload)?
  3. Berkut24
    Berkut24 April 26 2019 17: 33
    +14
    In Ukraine, optimism sprinkles until the conversation about money comes up. And as soon as "German engine, gearbox and chassis are American, Polish armor, Israeli electronics. It costs so much in dollars," any project dies quietly.
    1. Reklastik
      Reklastik April 26 2019 18: 15
      +6
      Kh-hmm .... And the German MTU power plants, which were planned to equip the ships of the Russian Navy before the sanctions, is that nothing?
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 April 26 2019 18: 51
        +3
        MTU found a replacement. Maybe not the best, but a holy place does not happen empty. the conversation is not about that. If on our ships the problem is only with the energy sector, and the rest is ours, then on Ukrainian equipment a combined hodgepodge from imports. Its only headlights, gas tank, towbar and assembly. And not even that. The main thing is that we can pay and pay. Mostly rubles and their enterprises. The new T-14 is generally 100% ours. But Ukraine cannot pay. And if it can, then only with currency and foreign companies.
        1. vkfriendly
          vkfriendly April 27 2019 14: 04
          0
          But with the currency there is a full tryndets, the treasury after the payment of the tranche of the IMF will be almost empty, and there are payments not only to the IMF.
      2. Rzzz
        Rzzz April 26 2019 21: 33
        +1
        At MTU, the whole world is floating. What to do, since they are the best.
        1. Reklastik
          Reklastik April 27 2019 07: 36
          +1
          The Soviet Navy did not go to the power plants of the likely enemy)))) Although, for sure, there were foreign ESUs and better than domestic ones.
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz April 27 2019 16: 43
            +1
            The Soviet Navy had the products of the Zvezda factory and diesel fuel was almost free.
            The Russian Navy has the products of the Zvezda plant, which has not changed since the 60s, diesel fuel at 55 thousand rubles per ton, and inconceivable kickbacks and sawing at the manufacture of each nut. MTU turns out to be trite more profitable. It costs less, consumes less fuel, breaks less often, requires less service, has a resource 5 times more and is supplied by the plant exactly on schedule.
            1. Reklastik
              Reklastik April 28 2019 12: 21
              0
              "Profitable" is the market, trade. There this concept is natural. And here - the armed forces. They are created to fight, whatever losses may be, in any case to the end. Here the ultimate case is victory = profit -> life. Otherwise, defeat = death. How can you talk about profit, price? But even if we recall the cost of weapons, even if MTU is more profitable - how can you use what the potential enemy makes, he will cut off the supplies for you, what then ??? The Germans are not our friends. In the event of war, German business will not trade ESA with us. I do not understand something.
              1. Rzzz
                Rzzz April 28 2019 14: 00
                +1
                I do not understand too. Well, we do not have our own motors with such parameters. It remains either to buy imported ones, or to sit on the beach and throw pebbles into the water.
                Spare parts can be purchased for the future, localized production of the most sought after can be localized.
                There, the SKL plant in Magdeburg closed in the early 90s. We have thousands of engines of this brand on the ships. You can easily buy new parts right now - domestic production.
    2. viralig
      viralig April 26 2019 18: 19
      0
      I agree with you - I remember they also screamed about self-propelled guns - even a long time ago not to hear. Apparently not grown together. Fraud is all.
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled April 26 2019 21: 07
        0
        Quote: viralig
        I agree with you - I remember they also screamed about self-propelled guns - even a long time ago not to hear. Seen not fused

        Are you talking about this?

        is it needed in the APU? so, they showed that "here we can." as well as the "deep modernization" of the BTR-60
        - who needs it. the company is private, but someone stubbornly shoves it to defense orders.
    3. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 26 2019 20: 46
      +2
      Quote: Berkut24
      In Ukraine, optimism sprinkles until the conversation about money comes up. And as soon as "German engine, gearbox and chassis are American, Polish armor, Israeli electronics. It costs so much in dollars," any project dies quietly.

      Speaking of money - the presented car is the development of a private enterprise (NPO Praktika). before that there was an ACS on a similar chassis, an 8x8 BTR, a deep rework from an BTR-60. even new KrAZ trucks with an armored cabin from this NPO appeared in the complex for the Neptune anti-ship missile system ... and many other developments for the army, etc.
      as for engines, gearboxes, electronics - well, they don’t produce this in Ukraine. that’s bought on the side (they’re not the first and not the last ones to do this)
    4. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 26 2019 21: 19
      0
      That is, on the BTR3 / 4 "doytsy" and the automatic transmission can be installed, but not on the developed car? I would rather be surprised and not believe if they said that MTO is from domestic mechanisms!
  4. Medvezhya lapa over Ki
    Medvezhya lapa over Ki April 26 2019 17: 39
    -2
    Zelensky. Parody. "Boomerang".
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 26 2019 17: 59
      +8
      There is nothing in the world except Striker and Boomerang. Well, some Centauro and Boxer, some may call.

      Europeans gave birth to a pretty significant freak and now they are promoting it.


      Chinese triaxles WZ-92 - a plug in any priest in Africa + one of the main means of strengthening the UN contingents, even where there are no Chinese at all.


      The Sulatan Otokar Arma - even appeared in the limited Turkish contingent to defend the sovereignty and independence of friendly Qatar from Saudi aggressors!


      The Spanish Pegasus, in addition to Afghanistan, went to battle in Yemen - with the expected result.


      After restyling and modernization, the Czech Pandurs moved to the second generation (Pandurov) and are now actively offering it. No one has bought a penny (6x6) of the new generation so far. Two (8х8) have already bought the marines from Indonesia.


      What am I doing? The niche 6x6 is quite lively and in demand even taking into account the growth in the mass of armored personnel carriers (and actually the higher priority of 8x8).
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled April 26 2019 21: 16
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        What am I doing? The niche 6x6 is quite lively and in demand ...

        and I like that

        drinks
      2. Romka47
        Romka47 April 30 2019 14: 23
        0
        Comrade, I have long noticed that in VO your comments are often more interesting and informative than the article itself)) good
  5. knn54
    knn54 April 26 2019 17: 40
    0
    And why Deutz, if there is HKBD?
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz April 26 2019 21: 37
      0
      They are more expensive than milker. Three times. Both when buying and when using.
  6. Medvezhya lapa over Ki
    Medvezhya lapa over Ki April 26 2019 17: 43
    0
    But this remained his little secret, which he did not share with anyone, not even his psychiatrist.

    R. Sheckley.
  7. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 26 2019 17: 58
    -1
    the project of the armored combat vehicle BBM was proposed the code "Ataman"

    And it will be equipped with a gearbox "Hopak"! It's more fun to get away from the next "cauldron". laughing
  8. Cowbra
    Cowbra April 26 2019 17: 59
    0
    And this tried thing with a bluff - FSE?
    https://shurigin.livejournal.com/736314.html
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 April 26 2019 18: 05
    0
    Stolen like a mustache before! Not Peruccio with the Svinorchuk, so others.
    It is "normal" which state, such and .........
    1. Vinnibuh
      Vinnibuh April 26 2019 21: 44
      +1
      To cut an account, it seems like us (unfortunately), but our budget is richer and it’s good that at least 50% go to real equipment.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 26 2019 21: 50
        +2
        The mafia is immortal ...... i.e. corruption is ineradicable! Exceptions only confirm the rule.
        The truth about the level is worth arguing, but okay.
  10. Приговор
    Приговор April 26 2019 18: 12
    0
    Well yes. This is very relevant especially now. After all, Ukraine has already decided everything else ... laughing laughing laughing
    1. maximum 8
      maximum 8 April 26 2019 18: 24
      +1
      Always relevant for those who want to warm their hands on this matter. And this is the main task of the local politicians and bureaucrats. Finally, others will come to continue the work begun.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS April 26 2019 19: 24
    +1
    Ukraine has moved to the R&D stage of the new BMP? Or is it again the next Wishlist Poroshenko and Co. gave out as a fait accompli in the media.
    Where is the money zing? (with)
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD April 27 2019 05: 01
      -2
      Quote: APASUS
      Ukraine has moved to the R&D stage of the new BMP? Or is it again the next Wishlist Poroshenko and Co. gave out as a fait accompli in the media.
      Where is the money zing? (with)

      now for five years they will say: "Where is the money, Ze?"))
  12. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 26 2019 19: 55
    +2
    Quote: APASUS
    Ukraine has moved to the R&D stage of the new BMP? Or is it again the next Wishlist Poroshenko and Co. gave out as a fait accompli in the media.
    Where is the money zing? (with)

    Yes, in the same place as the previous ones - in offshore! tongue
  13. maxbrov74
    maxbrov74 April 26 2019 22: 23
    0
    And they will also have an orbital battleship with lasers and railguns, which works on a vodka.
    PSU ukrov that, is there really a marine corps?
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD April 27 2019 05: 10
      0
      Quote: maxbrov74
      And they will also have an orbital battleship with lasers and railguns, which works on a vodka.


      Quote: maxbrov74
      Do ukrov really have marines?


      here, Azov, the name is sea ... sea "pihota" they have, not infantry
  14. sgr291158
    sgr291158 April 27 2019 05: 38
    0
    Every day, a new project. When they are all going to do it.
  15. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 27 2019 06: 47
    0
    Strange ... There is practically no marine corps, but there is a car for MP .. The cut for cutting the crumbs of the budget, no more .. well, and a lot of nonsense - non-floating BMP in 24 tons. weighing on three driving axles .. in such a layout, it will not have enough stupid displacement to achieve positive buoyancy ..
  16. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 27 2019 08: 35
    0
    All this is nonsense. Here ,, AzovETs ,, this is power!
  17. Lapunevsky
    Lapunevsky April 27 2019 10: 38
    0
    On YouTube, under the video about this car, there are screams of delight from Ukrainian users. Very much reminiscent of Russia with its "such a pipelats with super heroic capabilities will go into service with the army in that year."
  18. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft April 27 2019 19: 22
    0
    Terms of development, testing and receipt of new armored vehicles in the army are not called.

    Do it right ...