Frigates and BDK instead of aircraft carriers and atomic destroyers
23 April this year may well claim to be the "Day that gave a wave of hope." For not every day lay several ships at the same time. It is clear that Putin’s visit to the Northern Shipyard gives such weight to the event, and yes, hope that everything will not stop in six months.
So, two frigates and two BDK.
Let's start with the landing ships, especially since not so long ago we had already discussed the topic, where it was said that the BDK would be better instead of vague "atomic destroyers" the size of the battleship of the last century.
And now - get it. Well, we will be very happy to receive when the ships are built. It is clear that I will now say that two BDKs against the background of general despondency in this class are ... no, perhaps not a drop in the ocean. To say so is a bust. Rather, two buckets of water per company on a hot day. Better than nothing, but not enough by and large.
But since 2 + 2 is still 4, then, as if through 5-7 years, there are four new amphibious ships - well, this already looks like something in terms of any operations. It does not matter, Syria, Libya, Venezuela or Georgia / Ukraine.
The main thing is that the idea of the project 11711 again "in the subject." After all, really good ships, aren't they? And it turned out somehow crooked in the beginning. However, we all so. Having set aside the very idea of building a series of 11711 project ships, we decided to play around with attack helicopter carriers.
Well, they played, now that these floating monsters are wearing helicopters to the glory of Egypt, it is understood that you can return to the BDK.
Returned.
And in time, because even in that article, about nuclear destroyers, I said that the average age of our landing craft approaches 40 years. Average! So it is absolutely time.
And the return to building ships of the 11711 project is quite a normal decision from my point of view. Moreover, there were some works on the project, the essence of which allows to conclude that not the ships of the 11711 project, but some 11711.1 will be built.
The changes are quite significant. Will be removed artillery, which in theory was supposed to provide support to the landing troops. We are talking about the A-215 Grad-M MLRS and the 14,5-mm MTPU Zhalo. These fire systems were deemed obsolete and ineffective.
BDKs remain with complexes Defense AK-630M-2 "Duet" and KVPP (complex of ejected passive interference) KT-308-04 "Prosvet-M".
In this case, the landing without support will not remain. BDK for this will be equipped with an enlarged helipad aft and will be able to carry 6 helicopters instead of 2.
6 units of Ka-52K "Katran" - well, this will be much more effective than "Grads" and large-caliber machine guns. This is 6 30 mm cannons and the same number of bundles missiles. Moreover, they are able to work at a great distance.
In general, I liked the idea. There is something in her that is optimistic and inspiring faith in success. If only because the two ships of the series have already been built, so maybe it will go so that again we return to the original version of the 6 BDK.
In general, "Vladimir Trushin" and "Vasily Andreev" - "Hurray!" And the speedy launch. And labor success Kaliningrad shipbuilders.
We turn to the frigates.
So, the frigate. Very strange class of ships, to be honest. Floating compromise, so to speak, without offending.
"The frigate is a fighting ship with a displacement of 3000-6000 tons, equipped with a guided missile weapons. The main purpose - the fight against the air and underwater enemy, accompanied by the main forces fleet and especially important convoys. A versatile escort ship capable of operating at any distance from the coast. ”
This is a fairly distinct description of the frigate, taken from the NATO classification of the end of the last century.
In general, frigates can perform (and perform) a wider range of tasks.
This includes patrols of the coastal zone and open sea areas, and participation in the blockade and de-blocking of sea communications, for example, when participating in a local conflict or peacekeeping operation, supporting and covering landing operations. The cover, of course, is ... symbolic. But - the list, as you can see, is pretty decent.
The fact that the frigate is a compromise between size and essence, that is, simply speaking, attempts to shove the maximum number of weapons into the minimum ship volume, this is its minus. Minus and the very meaning of the class - saving in exchange for mass. Hence, a very dense arrangement of everything that adversely affects the vitality.
But - cheap. And the task can be done.
The only thing that really makes you think is that the United States, the world trendsetter, does not have such ships. At one time, the United States slandered these frigates so much that when they were abandoned, now half the world owns former American ships.
And refused for a reason. Conflicts of the end of the 20 century showed complete impairment of frigates as warships. This is the conflict in the Falklands, when British frigates could not dismiss the piston Argentine bombers with free-fall bombs, this is a later case with the US frigate "Stark", which the Iraqi air force did not miraculously divide into metal.
And the last 20 years for Americans are building only destroyers ...
But with their financial apparatus and external debt in 22 of a trillion dollars, they can not afford to build the “Death Star” not so much as 100 destroyers.
We are not talking about the need to conquer the whole world, but about the work on the list above. And since we cannot afford to build destroyers at the expense of the entire world community, we can count only on our own, and the frigate is quite a ship.
There is absolutely no need to compare the frigates of the 22350 project with anyone else simply because the modern frigate is not for serious mixing. This is a support ship, a workhorse, which is not a pity, if that.
Well, this is not a pity to them, we don’t have so many of them, so we will take care. Moreover, our frigates are rather toothy guys, “calibrated”, which have something to bite.
The fact that the Gorshkov was still haunting is wonderful. The fact that on the approach of "Kasaton" and in the foreseeable future, "Golovko" and "Isakov" - also fine. And here the tab "Chichagova" and "Amelko" adds a dose of optimism.
Especially if these ships will be built differently than the Gorshkov. 12 years to build a ship with a displacement of 4500 tons - this is really sadism.
However, there is another positive point. As many sources in the defense industry say, the torment with the “Polyment-Redut” system is over, and it is fully ready for normal operation.
And as a result, at the exit of the ship, which can perform tasks in the far sea zone, all these representative and demonstration campaigns, visits and so on. And it will cost us much cheaper than chasing the same “Peter the Great”.
Moreover, Peter the Great is still an achievement of the USSR, and Gorshkov is already a Russian one. And the visit of our frigate to the celebration of the 70 years of the PLA Navy is the best confirmation of this. He was very much there in the topic and aroused direct interest.
I think that the business of building new frigates, which has moved off the ground, is a matter of great importance and even significant in our time. If only it does not die down, as it often happens with us.
After all, as was stated? And so, that within the framework of the state armament program for 2011 – 2020, the Russian navy was to receive 14 frigates: six 11356 projects and eight 22350 projects.
It is clear that for the remaining year of this amount we will not see, and indeed, God forbid, get what is on the way.
Let me remind you that the 11356 frigates were stranded by Ukraine, left without engines. And so far, as I understand it, we have not finally decided what to do with them: either to give birth to engines, or to sell to the Indians. Those will buy, of course.
It and the project 22350 ruptured the gap with Ukraine. But not so much. I was lucky, there the share of the Ukrainian side was pretty smaller, which made it possible to pull out the project on the teeth, localizing the production.
But in general, the fate of both projects is decided not in Moscow or St. Petersburg, but in Rybinsk. It was there, at the plant of JSC "ODK-GT" (United Engine Corporation - Gas Turbines), where they must assemble propulsion systems for ships.
I really hope that happens.
Today one should not even try to analyze all the promises about the fact that then we will have so many DMZ ships, whoever voiced these promises. Let us all the same become more sober-minded and to make a start not from words, but from deeds. It's time.
Even the fact that Putin promised to lay “in the coming years five more DMZ ships”, as well as a bookmark, are not yet ships. Unfortunately, it may take such a long time from bookmarking to launching ... The Belgorod submarine is the best example.
So we have today a solemn bookmark of four important warships we need. And if, in five years, these ships also go to the water, it will be generally beautiful.
We need a fleet. Full, modern and balanced.
If there is no such thing, no special vehicles with special wars, even if they carry nuclear charges, can be effective.
And the Russian fleet should be able to solve the tasks of protecting our interests and security, both near our coast and in more remote areas.
Therefore, a smooth and thoughtfully designed update of our fleet by warships will always be welcomed and perceived with a certain amount of optimism.
The main thing - do not stop halfway.
So, two frigates and two BDK.
Let's start with the landing ships, especially since not so long ago we had already discussed the topic, where it was said that the BDK would be better instead of vague "atomic destroyers" the size of the battleship of the last century.
And now - get it. Well, we will be very happy to receive when the ships are built. It is clear that I will now say that two BDKs against the background of general despondency in this class are ... no, perhaps not a drop in the ocean. To say so is a bust. Rather, two buckets of water per company on a hot day. Better than nothing, but not enough by and large.
But since 2 + 2 is still 4, then, as if through 5-7 years, there are four new amphibious ships - well, this already looks like something in terms of any operations. It does not matter, Syria, Libya, Venezuela or Georgia / Ukraine.
The main thing is that the idea of the project 11711 again "in the subject." After all, really good ships, aren't they? And it turned out somehow crooked in the beginning. However, we all so. Having set aside the very idea of building a series of 11711 project ships, we decided to play around with attack helicopter carriers.
Well, they played, now that these floating monsters are wearing helicopters to the glory of Egypt, it is understood that you can return to the BDK.
Returned.
And in time, because even in that article, about nuclear destroyers, I said that the average age of our landing craft approaches 40 years. Average! So it is absolutely time.
And the return to building ships of the 11711 project is quite a normal decision from my point of view. Moreover, there were some works on the project, the essence of which allows to conclude that not the ships of the 11711 project, but some 11711.1 will be built.
The changes are quite significant. Will be removed artillery, which in theory was supposed to provide support to the landing troops. We are talking about the A-215 Grad-M MLRS and the 14,5-mm MTPU Zhalo. These fire systems were deemed obsolete and ineffective.
BDKs remain with complexes Defense AK-630M-2 "Duet" and KVPP (complex of ejected passive interference) KT-308-04 "Prosvet-M".
In this case, the landing without support will not remain. BDK for this will be equipped with an enlarged helipad aft and will be able to carry 6 helicopters instead of 2.
6 units of Ka-52K "Katran" - well, this will be much more effective than "Grads" and large-caliber machine guns. This is 6 30 mm cannons and the same number of bundles missiles. Moreover, they are able to work at a great distance.
In general, I liked the idea. There is something in her that is optimistic and inspiring faith in success. If only because the two ships of the series have already been built, so maybe it will go so that again we return to the original version of the 6 BDK.
In general, "Vladimir Trushin" and "Vasily Andreev" - "Hurray!" And the speedy launch. And labor success Kaliningrad shipbuilders.
We turn to the frigates.
So, the frigate. Very strange class of ships, to be honest. Floating compromise, so to speak, without offending.
"The frigate is a fighting ship with a displacement of 3000-6000 tons, equipped with a guided missile weapons. The main purpose - the fight against the air and underwater enemy, accompanied by the main forces fleet and especially important convoys. A versatile escort ship capable of operating at any distance from the coast. ”
This is a fairly distinct description of the frigate, taken from the NATO classification of the end of the last century.
In general, frigates can perform (and perform) a wider range of tasks.
This includes patrols of the coastal zone and open sea areas, and participation in the blockade and de-blocking of sea communications, for example, when participating in a local conflict or peacekeeping operation, supporting and covering landing operations. The cover, of course, is ... symbolic. But - the list, as you can see, is pretty decent.
The fact that the frigate is a compromise between size and essence, that is, simply speaking, attempts to shove the maximum number of weapons into the minimum ship volume, this is its minus. Minus and the very meaning of the class - saving in exchange for mass. Hence, a very dense arrangement of everything that adversely affects the vitality.
But - cheap. And the task can be done.
The only thing that really makes you think is that the United States, the world trendsetter, does not have such ships. At one time, the United States slandered these frigates so much that when they were abandoned, now half the world owns former American ships.
And refused for a reason. Conflicts of the end of the 20 century showed complete impairment of frigates as warships. This is the conflict in the Falklands, when British frigates could not dismiss the piston Argentine bombers with free-fall bombs, this is a later case with the US frigate "Stark", which the Iraqi air force did not miraculously divide into metal.
And the last 20 years for Americans are building only destroyers ...
But with their financial apparatus and external debt in 22 of a trillion dollars, they can not afford to build the “Death Star” not so much as 100 destroyers.
We are not talking about the need to conquer the whole world, but about the work on the list above. And since we cannot afford to build destroyers at the expense of the entire world community, we can count only on our own, and the frigate is quite a ship.
There is absolutely no need to compare the frigates of the 22350 project with anyone else simply because the modern frigate is not for serious mixing. This is a support ship, a workhorse, which is not a pity, if that.
Well, this is not a pity to them, we don’t have so many of them, so we will take care. Moreover, our frigates are rather toothy guys, “calibrated”, which have something to bite.
The fact that the Gorshkov was still haunting is wonderful. The fact that on the approach of "Kasaton" and in the foreseeable future, "Golovko" and "Isakov" - also fine. And here the tab "Chichagova" and "Amelko" adds a dose of optimism.
Especially if these ships will be built differently than the Gorshkov. 12 years to build a ship with a displacement of 4500 tons - this is really sadism.
However, there is another positive point. As many sources in the defense industry say, the torment with the “Polyment-Redut” system is over, and it is fully ready for normal operation.
And as a result, at the exit of the ship, which can perform tasks in the far sea zone, all these representative and demonstration campaigns, visits and so on. And it will cost us much cheaper than chasing the same “Peter the Great”.
Moreover, Peter the Great is still an achievement of the USSR, and Gorshkov is already a Russian one. And the visit of our frigate to the celebration of the 70 years of the PLA Navy is the best confirmation of this. He was very much there in the topic and aroused direct interest.
I think that the business of building new frigates, which has moved off the ground, is a matter of great importance and even significant in our time. If only it does not die down, as it often happens with us.
After all, as was stated? And so, that within the framework of the state armament program for 2011 – 2020, the Russian navy was to receive 14 frigates: six 11356 projects and eight 22350 projects.
It is clear that for the remaining year of this amount we will not see, and indeed, God forbid, get what is on the way.
Let me remind you that the 11356 frigates were stranded by Ukraine, left without engines. And so far, as I understand it, we have not finally decided what to do with them: either to give birth to engines, or to sell to the Indians. Those will buy, of course.
It and the project 22350 ruptured the gap with Ukraine. But not so much. I was lucky, there the share of the Ukrainian side was pretty smaller, which made it possible to pull out the project on the teeth, localizing the production.
But in general, the fate of both projects is decided not in Moscow or St. Petersburg, but in Rybinsk. It was there, at the plant of JSC "ODK-GT" (United Engine Corporation - Gas Turbines), where they must assemble propulsion systems for ships.
I really hope that happens.
Today one should not even try to analyze all the promises about the fact that then we will have so many DMZ ships, whoever voiced these promises. Let us all the same become more sober-minded and to make a start not from words, but from deeds. It's time.
Even the fact that Putin promised to lay “in the coming years five more DMZ ships”, as well as a bookmark, are not yet ships. Unfortunately, it may take such a long time from bookmarking to launching ... The Belgorod submarine is the best example.
So we have today a solemn bookmark of four important warships we need. And if, in five years, these ships also go to the water, it will be generally beautiful.
We need a fleet. Full, modern and balanced.
If there is no such thing, no special vehicles with special wars, even if they carry nuclear charges, can be effective.
And the Russian fleet should be able to solve the tasks of protecting our interests and security, both near our coast and in more remote areas.
Therefore, a smooth and thoughtfully designed update of our fleet by warships will always be welcomed and perceived with a certain amount of optimism.
The main thing - do not stop halfway.
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