The battle in the northern waters. Time to sum up

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A naval battle in northern waters in the fall of 2018 had disastrous results for both sides. The Norwegian missile a frigate, a Russian floating dock and an aircraft carrier. All three have been taken out of action indefinitely.





The Viking Code read ...


Drakkar, who did not know defeat, was not obliged to give way to the supertankers of the class LR2.

According to another version, the descendants of Eric Ryzhy neglected modern means of navigation. Like their ancestors, they led the “Drakkar” after the bird released from the board, hoping that the bird will show where the shore is.

The fairway is not marked,
Here the day the sun does not set,
Can not see the stars, changing wind ...
Only the oars go against the wind.
O. Khutoryansky


According to the third version, the sinking of “Helge Ingstad” is not a mere coincidence. Over the ship of the vital ominous shadow of sarin - in 2013, the frigate participated in the operation to remove the chemical weapons from Syrian Latakia.

The fourth, the most plausible version - on the bridge of the Helge Instad was attended by an American officer for the exchange program (NATO Personal Exchange Program). The American who did not understand Norwegian was entrusted with the authority to control the frigate, which was the cause of the navigational catastrophe.

But now it does not matter.

A series of frigates "Fridtjof Nansen"


In fact, this is all that the Norwegian Navy can count on. There were five such frigates. Now there are only four left.

Due to negligence In peacetime, the Norwegians lost a fifth of their Navy!

Tapes News Relished the drowning of Helge Ingstad, but nowhere was it indicated what kind of ship it was.

The five "Nansen" was built in 2003-2011 (from laying the first to commissioning the last), so that the Norwegian nation had at least something to enter the World Ocean. Actually, this happened for the first time. Never before has Norway had such large and sophisticated warships.

At the time of the birth of the project, NATO was in a state of deep anabiosis.

If "Nansen" were built in the current conditions, their technical appearance and composition of weapons would be different.

The fighting capabilities of the frigates were deliberately limited. Of course, "limitation" is a conditional concept. In terms of combat capabilities, Nansen is comparable to fleets many developing countries. Indeed, at the heart of the overgrown frigate lies a very remarkable ship - the American Burke.

On average, 3,5 years from the moment of laying down to the moment of entering service. The pace of construction is not surprising: the Norwegian frigates were built in Spain by Navantia. They were based on the finished project "Alvaro de Bazan" - a reduced copy of "Orly Burke" for the Spanish Navy, with a high degree of unification of systems and weapons between them. Another representative of this "subclass" is the Australian destroyer Defense type "Hobart".

Each of the listed countries has “hammered” the original “Burke” to the best of its ideas about the role and greatness of its own fleets.

The Norwegians got what they wanted: a patrol ship from the far sea zone with very reduced weapons and capabilities even compared to the "Alvaro de Bazan".

Of all the nations exploiting ships with the Aegis, the Norwegians were the only ones who were stingy with a full-fledged radar. For the Norwegian Navy, a smaller version of the SPY-1F was created with the transverse dimensions of the 2,4 antenna antennas (instead of the 3,7 m for the basic SPY-1D).

The number of transceiver elements decreased from 4350 to 1856, and the instrumental detection range decreased by 54%. Of course, even with such limitations, we are talking about 324 km in range and 61 km in height when a “typical target” is detected (as a rule, it means a large radio-contrast object the size of B-52).

Smaller mass-dimensions of the antennas allowed them to be installed at a greater height, which was a consolation bonus for weak energy possibilities.

"Nansen" is equipped with only one launcher on 8 cells - 12 times less than the progenitor of "Burke", with a double difference in displacement of these ships!



Vertical mines occupy ESSM short / medium range anti-aircraft missiles, a total of 32 units. The range of damage to the ESSM (50 km) can pose a threat even to carrier aircraft, however, the capabilities of the frigate's air defense look awkward compared to other Aigis-ships.

Shock armament - small-sized NSM (Naval Strike Missile) anti-ship missiles, developed by the Norwegian company Kongsberg. Total 8 units launched from rails on the upper deck. 400-kilogram "products" with a range of 100 nautical miles, equipped with a relatively weak warhead (125 kg, half of which is the shell weight of the warhead).

Description artillery weapons will take exactly one sentence. The 76 mm caliber "rattle", due to its insignificant power, is suitable only for salutes and warning shots.

"Nansen" is comparable with its progenitor "Burke" only by the capabilities of anti-submarine defense. The explanation is elementary. Air defense weapons are much cheaper than air defense weapons.

The Norwegian frigates turned out to be extremely lightly armed units, given their considerable size (length 135 m, displacement over 5000 tons) and the availability of access to the best world technologies. But the Norwegian Navy has its own priorities.

The Helge Ingstad frigate did not need its defensive armament, nor the retractable thruster for maneuvering in narrow fjords. The only thing that mattered in that situation was the 13 waterproof compartments. But even they did not help.



During the international maritime exercise Trident Juncture 2018, NATO forces lost the frigate. However, by our actions (or inaction) we helped the NATO members to “equalize the score”.

Fleet got hit by the dock


From the information provided, it is still not possible to understand what happened that night at SRH No. XXUMX in Roslyakovo.

According to one version, the SF command decided to prepare the Admiral Kuznetsov TAKR for a short-term launch into the sea in order to respond to the Trident Juncture naval provocation - demonstratively and deliberately conducted maneuvers near the borders of Russia. The floating dock PD-50 was sunk, the aircraft-carrying cruiser was removed from the keel blocks and mooring lines and began to extend from the dock gate. At that moment everything happened. Doc continued to sink with roll and trim, cranes hit, further developments can be found in the media.

According to another version, the non-standard immersion PD-50 occurred without any interference from the plant workers. The only merit was the time to give up the moorings and withdraw the aircraft carrier from the crumbling dock.



In the framework of the current practice of negative breeding, I propose to invite the entire USC leadership to Roslyakovo to present awards and medals for “outstanding contributions to the development of the ship repair industry”.

The cause of emergency is associated with the loss of power supply due to such a rare and unusual phenomenon for the Murmansk region as heavy snowfall and snow sticking to the wires.

The official explanation of the causes of the accident PD-50 is simply monstrous. For such recognition you can go under the tribunal.

Responsible persons at least understand what they confessed to the whole country?


The ship repair enterprise carries out docking and repair of the ships with nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons on board, without having reserve energy sources.

No explanation is required as to whether abnormal operation or suspension of equipment operation during repair work when the dock is de-energized is fraught.

Naval story remembers the case: there was also a violation of TB, and the old infrastructure, and the crane in the lead role. Attempting to clean the submarine reactor cover O-ring. As a result, the floating crane floating on the wave ripped off the cover along with the control rods. The reactor immediately went into start-up mode and destroyed all those who were near (see. “Radiation accident in Chazhma bay”).

At that time, the cause was a passing boat close by that raised a wave. This time - the snow stuck to the wires.

USC managers optimized the plant to the maximum, including funds for mandatory backup generators.

Do submarines of the Northern Fleet unload rockets before being docked? Yes, it is an open secret!

In December of the 2011 of the year, the wooden scaffolding erected along the K-84 “Ekaterinburg” rocket carrier’s hull occurred while it was in the same PD-50 dock. Immediately after the emergency, the damaged boat was taken out of the dock and sent to Okolnaya Bay, and then to Yagelnaya Bay. Where are the bases for the storage of submarine ballistic missiles. Hardly a submarine cruiser was preparing to receive ammunition to enter combat patrols: after all, K-84 was to undergo a long three-year repair.

In general, the disregard of unloading ammunition when docking is a well-known global practice, which periodically led to dazzling and deafening consequences.

Well, back to the events of last fall.

I want to believe


“Loss of power supply” due to “sticking of sleet” is the first and not the most successful excuse that came to mind of those in charge. Attempt to shift responsibility for state of emergency on natural cataclysm.

The floating dock due to its age (40 years, half of which were not at the best of times) clearly had leaks in the underwater part of the hull. All allocated funds for repairs were mastered in a different way. It is not excluded that recently PD-50 kept afloat only at the expense of pumps that continuously pumped out water. Finally, October 30 intake of water exceeded the critical value, and the dock drowned. So the idea was born with the loss of electricity. We are not the ones to blame, but the weather.

However, such a description is also poorly suited to the place where atomic ships and SSBNs were repaired with weapons on board.

It took exactly six months


The injured parties refrain from further comments. Although the consequences were clear from the first day.

The Norwegian frigate was raised in early March and still do not know what to do with the drowned man. Extensive destruction of the starboard, touching the rocky bottom, half a year in salty sea water under the blows of the waves. Repair will be comparable in cost to the construction of a new frigate. Most likely, restore, for reasons of prestige. In history, it was not the same (the incredible resurrection of the Cassin and Downes, the restoration of the burned-down cruiser Belknap).



With the loss of the frigate of the Norwegian Navy significantly weakened, but this loss had little impact on NATO naval forces - there are about 40 of such ships in the fleets of European countries.

Domestic PD-50 still rests on the bottom. It will definitely be raised (otherwise it threatens to slide to a great depth and completely block the harbor of the 82 SRH), the whole question is whether it can be used for its intended purpose. According to Interfax, the divers who surveyed the dock found cracks in its hull. Someone has already hurried to declare that the dock has broken up into several parts. On the one hand, this does not mean anything - any dock represents a complex of pontoons. Connecting them together is a difficult but regular operation.

On the other hand, taking into account the obvious technical condition, age and damage received during the dive (to make it clearer - if the 100-thousand-ton design drops to the bottom), the rise and release times of the PD-50 will be comparable to the construction of the new dock.

PD-50 was built in Sweden, which, under the conditions of the existing sanctions, will not build anything. Assistance in creating a new PD can only be provided by China.

For example, last summer, a floating dock, built by the Chinese company Beihai Shipbuilding within the interests of a consortium of Rosneftegaz, Rosneft and Gazprombank, was delivered to the Far East CVD Zvezda. The main purpose is servicing gas carriers, tankers and oil platforms. The Chinese dock is twice as low as PD-50 (40 thousand tons instead of 80 thousand tons), but the precedent itself with the purchase of the dock demonstrated the possibility of cooperation with China on this issue.



It all comes down to the timing of the decision. Currently, there is no evidence of negotiating the purchase of a replacement for PD-50. Probably, the USC leadership first wants to understand the sunken dock and assess the chances of its returning to service.

And time passes


The only dock capable of receiving the Admiral Kuznetsov TAVKR is in the Far East. The dock PD-41 tonnage 80 000 tons was built in Japan in 1978 year. The leadership of the Navy is unlikely to decide to transfer the Kuznetsov in its present condition to the Pacific Ocean, where there is no infrastructure for the deployment of the TAVKR and its wing. It is also not known whether the technical condition of the dock will allow docking the aircraft carrier.

Towing the PD-41 across the world to the Northern Fleet is an even more extraordinary task.

The docking of Kuznetsov in the drained Sevmash basin (like Baku-Vikramaditya) can only be considered as a temporary, one-time solution. Continuous and regular maintenance of TAVKR in such conditions is impossible.

If the issue of acquiring a new floating dock is not resolved within a few years, the navy will probably have to say goodbye to a single aircraft carrier.

In short, the consequences of the “sea battle”, in which the naval forces of NATO and the Russian Navy caused themselves serious losses.
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  1. +6
    April 25 2019 18: 12
    "Docking with nuclear weapons on board" is a joke of humor, right?
    1. +6
      April 25 2019 18: 35
      Who knows, he is silent ... military / commercial secret however.
      The rest will shrug their shoulders or deeply "bellow" unintelligible.
      That sho in the "Danish Kingdom" is not all right, we feel it, but how much ???
      1. -3
        April 25 2019 20: 20
        To the campaign, the author either beguiled something, or smoked a cigarette, or went about his own business. Alvare de Bazan, this is not an alteration of Arly Burke, but a licensed copy of Oliver Hazard Perry, a frigate, not a destroyer. After that, reading was not interesting. Rave.
        1. +2
          April 25 2019 20: 44
          Quote: URAL72
          Campaign author or something beguiled,

          The fact is that the author is somehow more on battleships (main caliber, armor belt, etc.). Here. But battleships are not being built now, and about those that were, Kaptsov wrote everything, everything, everything a long time ago. But what about? So it spins as it can - somehow it is necessary to live. True, in his new incarnation, "not everything is so simple" (Crimean., daughter-officer., outdated.) Yes In short, as in one good movie: "If you cut for grandmas, then in vain ..."laughing
          1. +2
            April 25 2019 21: 34
            Quote: Paranoid50
            Quote: URAL72
            Campaign author or something beguiled,

            The fact is that the author is somehow more on battleships (main caliber, armor belt, etc.). Here. But battleships are not being built now, and about those that were, Kaptsov wrote everything, everything, everything a long time ago. But what about? So it spins as it can - somehow it is necessary to live. True, in his new incarnation, "not everything is so simple" (Crimean., daughter-officer., outdated.) Yes In short, as in one good movie: "If you cut for grandmas, then in vain ..."laughing


            The man wrote nonsense - and you did not even bother to check whether this is true or false ...
            But you immediately signed for a lie.
            Apologize to Kaptsov!
        2. + 11
          April 25 2019 20: 57
          Quote: URAL72
          The author either hiked something, or smoked a cigarette, or went about his own business

          Quote: URAL72
          After that, reading was not interesting. Rave.

          Under each article there is someone like you who, upon discovering some kind of mistake or non-docking, begins to be rude and insult the author. You’d better take and write your article, which would be perfect, without a single mistake and fully consistent with the facts. Good luck
          1. +7
            April 25 2019 21: 24
            Under each article is like you, who, having discovered some kind of error or no docking

            There are no errors in the article.

            Alvaro de Bazan - Spanish project Aegis-destroyer, reduced Burke

            http://bastion-karpenko.ru/f100-alvaro-de-bazan/
          2. +5
            April 25 2019 21: 38
            Quote: kjhg
            Quote: URAL72
            The author either hiked something, or smoked a cigarette, or went about his own business

            Quote: URAL72
            After that, reading was not interesting. Rave.

            Under each article there is someone like you who, upon discovering some kind of mistake or non-docking, begins to be rude and insult the author. You’d better take and write your article, which would be perfect, without a single mistake and fully consistent with the facts. Good luck


            Yes. the author has no mistake.
            The author does not.
            The lying commentator has porridge in his head.
            There was an analogue of Perry in Spain - this is true.
            and then the commentator has it all.
            the analogue was called Mary. which is santa.
            And the whole thing was built by the Bazan company.
            So, at the lying commentator, people and horses mixed up in the heads.
            He himself did not double-check and believing in his own righteousness. - slandered the author and, frankly, giddily liquidated.

            If he doesn’t delete his comment, they’ll see the answers. how he deceives himself, blaming the lies of others ....
        3. +2
          April 25 2019 21: 05
          Alvare de Bazan, this is not an alteration of Arly Burke, but a licensed copy of Oliver Hazard Perry, a frigate, not a destroyer.
          Alas, but you are also mistaken. The licensed copy of Oliver Hazard Parry is the Santa Maria class frigates. They differ from the prototype only by the installation of the Meroka ZAK instead of the Vulcan-Phalanx and details of the electronic equipment, more adapted to the destruction of low-flying targets.
          And Alvare de Bazan is the next project.
        4. +2
          April 25 2019 21: 33
          Quote: URAL72
          Alvare de Bazan

          You are confused and very much ...
          And apparently it was you who smoked.
          and it is you who are talking nonsense.
          And it is you who must apologize to the author. Oleg Kaptsov ...

          learn materiel!
          1. -1
            April 25 2019 21: 43
            I agree, I apologize, but there is only enough time to learn the materiel for the floating. Ukrainians on Azov especially and there is nothing. But nevertheless, at the heart of the Spanish developments, nevertheless, Perry, they never had a relationship with Burke. Electronics, yes. But it is the same type with many ships of the world, as is the power plant. In general, the constructor. What does Burke have to do with it? The design of the ship has nothing in common; everything else is modules.

            By the way, the link directly says - "REMINDS" Burke. This is not talking about based development. Who is right, judge for yourself. But with Perry I was wrong, I was in a hurry, I admit.
        5. 0
          April 26 2019 11: 59
          At least you look at the photo, Alvaro de Basan is the younger brother of Orly Burke. And compare weapons. Oliver Perry has neither UVP Mk41 nor SPY!
          Yes de Basan, not de Bazan, since there is no "z" sound in Spanish. De-Basan writes about Admiral Vicki, and about the ship named after him ... somehow, historically, you see, it turned out to be wrong to call it in Russian
  2. + 11
    April 25 2019 18: 24
    Yes, they did not have time to build a dry dock in the USSR. It may be possible to implement in the future another Soviet dry dock project on the territory of the 82 th shipyard. Dry dock measuring 460 × 120 meters. The rock mass has been removed and a site has been prepared for the construction of a dry dock. In the mid-eighties, the project was frozen.
    1. +4
      April 25 2019 18: 38
      After the sinking of the PD-50, the cruiser "Peter the Great" was left without a dock. Meanwhile, from tsarist Russia in Kronstadt, the Veleshchinsky dock (3 destroyers) was inherited, and battleships of the "Sevastopol" type were still docked there. The cruiser "Peter the Great" sailed in 1996 to dock in Kronstadt. So there is this option. But with "Admiral Kuznetsov" everything is sad, for him there is no dock nearby.
    2. +1
      April 25 2019 18: 52
      The modernization of the docks will begin at the 35th Shipyard in 2019.https: //vpk.name/news/263235_35i_srz_v_murmanske_budet_modernizirovan_dlya_remonta_admirala_kuznecova.html
      So don't panic
      1. +2
        April 26 2019 07: 54
        Thank you for the link hi Interesting article.
    3. -1
      April 25 2019 22: 08
      Yes, they did not have time to build a dry dock in the USSR
      And not only the dock, but also bridges, roads, factories ...
      And now all this is already beyond the power. Sorry.
      1. 0
        4 May 2019 04: 31
        Quote: sagitch
        And now all this is already beyond the power. Sorry.
        Come on! Priperlo - the "impossible" bridge was built under the USSR.
        Why "impossible"?
        Built - washed away.
        Later - not built.
        Quotation marks - there were projects, though.
  3. +6
    April 25 2019 18: 28
    Quote: As part of the current practice of negative selection, I propose to invite the entire management of USC to Roslyakovo to present awards and medals for “outstanding contribution to the development of the ship repair industry”.
    It seems that they have already received FSA awards - their 30 pieces of silver. All these effective managers only pretend to be fools; in fact, they work for the enemies of Russia.
  4. +7
    April 25 2019 18: 58
    -If the issue of acquiring a new floating dock is not resolved within a few years,
    If there was no money for the operation of the floating dock PD-50, I doubt that there will be any money at all for its repair (at least to raise it), and especially for the purchase of a new one.
    - So the idea with the loss of electricity was born. We are not to blame, but the weather.
    But the dock’s design includes 4 (!) autonomous diesel generators.
    But we decided to save diesel fuel-dock transferred to shore power, along the way
    reducing the motor group.
    As a result, as in the saying, Gnat is not to blame, and Mary is not to blame.
    A GUILTY ONLY HUT that let Gnata at night ...
    1. +1
      April 26 2019 17: 22
      Quote: knn54
      But in the dock design there are 4 (!) Autonomous diesel generators.
      But we decided to save diesel fuel-dock transferred to shore power, along the way
      reducing the motor group.

      And along the way, putting on the PUE, in which it is written in black and white:
      With regard to ensuring the reliability of power supply, power receivers are divided into the following three categories.
      Power consumers of the first category - power consumers, the interruption of power supply of which may entail danger to human lifea threat to state security, significant material damagedisorder of a complex technological process, disruption of the functioning of especially important elements of public utilities, communication and television
      From the composition of the first category electric receivers, a special group of electric receivers stands out, uninterrupted operation of which is necessary for an emergency shutdown of production in order to prevent a threat to human lifeexplosions and fires.

      The floating dock belongs to the first category in at least three positions. Which means:
      First category power consumers in normal operation must be provided with electricity from two independent mutually redundant power sources, and interruption of their power supply in case of power failure from one of the power sources can be allowed only for the period of automatic power recovery.
      For power supply a special group of electrical receivers of the first category should be provided additional power from a third independent mutually redundant power supply.
      As the third independent power source for a special group of power consumers and as a second independent power source for the remaining power consumers of the first category, local power plants, power system power stations (in particular, generator voltage buses), uninterruptible power supply units, rechargeable batteries and etc.

      Paragraph "If redundancy of power supply cannot ensure continuity of the process or if redundancy of power supply is not economically feasible ..."I omitted it, since the cost of the TAVKR and the dock is much more than the cost of diesel fuel and the salary of the motor group during the repair.
    2. 0
      20 July 2019 14: 25
      China or other countries can make good money on this dock. And they can break any prices.
  5. +1
    April 25 2019 18: 59
    If the issue of acquiring a new floating dock is not resolved within a few years, the Navy will probably have to say goodbye to the only aircraft carrier. Excellent, Face said the unforgettable WaF. And if they begin to pour out their poison, then indeed the sea is not raging in the Russian direction.
    1. +1
      April 25 2019 19: 10
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      If the issue of acquiring a new floating dock is not resolved within a few years, the navy will probably have to say goodbye to a single aircraft carrier.

      This is a matter of prestige.
      So even if nothing works out with the dock, he will stand at the wall like "Aurora" ...
      1. -1
        April 25 2019 20: 47
        Quote: Spade
        So even if nothing works out with the dock, he will stand at the wall like "Aurora" ...

        I agree, there is no sense in it ..
      2. +2
        April 25 2019 22: 12
        Quote: Spade
        This is a matter of prestige.

        This is not so much a matter of prestige as a matter of training future personnel for naval aviation, at least. = _ =
        1. 0
          April 26 2019 08: 58
          Quote: Kuroneko
          This is not so much a matter of prestige as a matter of training future personnel for naval aviation, at least

          If there are no aircraft carriers and are not foreseen, then what is the point of preparing "personnel" for them?
          Mutually.
    2. 0
      4 May 2019 04: 35
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Okay, Face about the table as the unforgettable WaF said.
      Maybe combed?
      After all, it is clear that without big docks you can’t see big ships!
  6. +3
    April 25 2019 20: 04
    Kaptsov, as always, recognizable by the style of presentation good Thanks, cheer up wink
    1. +4
      April 25 2019 21: 33
      Well, strangely enough, he raised a really important topic for once, and even without armored vehicles.
      The battle in the northern waters. Time to sum up

      The result is extremely disappointing. For Russia. Under Stalin, for such a crap of epic proportions for the country and the navy, very many would go to the taiga for logging for about 25 years. At best. Moreover - not ordinary hard workers; in the Stalinist USSR, scapegoats were not sought at the lowest level during such disasters, reasonably believing that if it came to this - Something rotted systemically, and from the head.
      And that would only be right.
      1. -6
        April 25 2019 21: 49
        God came to Stalin to shoot admirals and young caprels of admiral's sons from the General Staff of the Navy for the collapse of work
        1. +5
          April 26 2019 05: 12
          Do not anger God, my dear.
      2. +3
        April 26 2019 17: 33
        Quote: Kuroneko
        Under Stalin, for such a crap of epic proportions for the country and the navy, very many would go to the taiga for logging for about 25 years.

        Under Stalin in 1938, the Pacific Fleet lost the "Resolute" EM - the first and only destroyer at that time (and for at least another year) in the entire Far East + the largest ship of the Pacific Fleet. EM was transported from the shipyard to Vladivostok for completion. The ferry was carried out, despite the weather. The end is a bit predictable ... ©

        Result? The commander of the Pacific Fleet was transferred to Moscow to the post of deputy commissar of the Navy. Commanded towing - transferred to the Black Sea Fleet (in the future, he will great substitute comflot covering him then).
  7. -8
    April 25 2019 21: 48
    the dock sank from old age, they will have to give Kuzya to China, and with the funds received build minesweepers, aircraft and submarines so necessary for the fleet
    1. +5
      April 25 2019 21: 59
      Quote: vladimir1155
      doc drowned from old age

      In. Ingenious!
      Just SUDDENLY aged and dying. No one is to blame, it is somehow. And no one could even guess that the dock was breathing, and driving the only Russian aircraft carrier into it was at least not very smart and fraught. And somehow in advance to inspect and patch up the dock - also religion did not allow.
      You have a good verdict. Convincing. My advice to you: apply for the vacancy of OSK PR manager for working with the public - they will tear it off with your hands. ^ _ ^
      Doc did not drown from old age, but from the fact that some critters became very fucked up and did not correspond to their posts with fat salaries.
      1. +4
        April 26 2019 00: 10
        For a dock of 40 years, this is not age. In the same Roslyakovo 2000 there was a half of the dock that we got from the Germans in reproduction. Now I do not know whether he is alive or not. The second half seemed to be in the western face, I do not remember already. And 82 plant, as it were, does not belong to USC.
  8. +4
    April 26 2019 00: 08
    I don’t know of cases where the Bdr in Kamchatka got up on the dock with missiles. Itself stood there more than once. I think the north is also not quite.
    Further. The accident in Chazhma is not at all because of the boat and other fantasies of the author. An abnormal device was used to fix one side of the yoke to undermine the lid. Instead of a bolt, a steel cable was used. As a result, the traverse, and, accordingly, the reactor cover, skewed, which pulled the compensating gratings and other controls. Then there was a thermal explosion of the reactor. Not nuclear, note.
  9. -1
    April 26 2019 00: 10

    Battleship in the northern waters in the fall of 2018 had disastrous results for both sides. In that “battle,” the Norwegian frigate, the Russian floating dock and the aircraft carrier fell. All three were disabled indefinitely.


    The "battle" is not in our favor, for the money, of course, too. laughing
  10. -3
    April 26 2019 05: 10
    One remark "What is the real value of" Kuznetsov "as a combat unit?" Maybe that's why there isn't a lot of fuss around? Anyway, those who know the science of management, those who had to command and make decisions. they are well aware that unnecessary vanity hurts the business. Everything needs to be calculated, analyzed and the optimal decision made. And the flickering of the "public" always only hinders this.
    1. 0
      April 26 2019 12: 06
      Nearby or in the best case, inappropriate in comparison with its size, price and cost of operation .. This is a training in fact AB. To maintain the competencies of the superfluous staff and verify operational-tactical sophistication ... in that case, if we have a chance to build 6 AB.
  11. 0
    April 26 2019 12: 03
    ESSM range (50 km)


    Does a 280 kg anti-aircraft missile have such a range? On a ballistic trajectory is not otherwise ... what kind of aircraft are there.
    1. 0
      April 26 2019 19: 21
      Quote: 5-9
      ESSM range (50 km)


      Does a 280 kg anti-aircraft missile have such a range? On a ballistic trajectory is not otherwise ... what kind of aircraft are there.


      Yes. these are now modern blends and such modern aerodynamics ...
  12. -1
    April 26 2019 12: 05
    Who comes up with the title for the article, is it really the author himself? Did he really take it on his chest and decided to combine a hedgehog with a boa constrictor? What "battle" are we talking about? Well, our dock drowned out of sloppiness, a Norwegian frigate - for the same reason - is the only thing that unites these events, and everything else is a sick fantasy of the author.
  13. 0
    April 26 2019 16: 09
    Quote: Kuroneko
    some

    more precisely - too many
  14. +3
    April 27 2019 14: 51
    the country is not able to not only build but also operate existing ships and boats, it’s very sad
  15. 0
    3 May 2019 06: 53
    Question: "what two boobs stick out below on the stem?" most importantly, no one answered for the drowning of the PD-50, such sloppiness is equal to sabotage.
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    15 May 2019 01: 19
    I don’t understand one thing, why did someone build us and should build docks? Is it a high-tech facility, so complex that it’s impossible to repeat anything like that? What is the problem then weld an iron box? Or is there nothing to cook? Is the iron all over? Or have they already been so degraded that even this is beyond their power?
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      20 July 2019 14: 45
      Apparently, it is not just a matter of welding, but the absence of a dock design and the necessary technologies. Yes, and we need appropriate stocks of the same large sizes.
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        28 August 2019 11: 50
        Apparently, it is not just a matter of welding, but the absence of a dock design and the necessary technologies. Yes, and we need appropriate stocks of the same large sizes.

        This is what such necessary technologies they lack ??? Even dream up does not work.
        They started to build a dock, finished the chinot, so the question is closed so far wink
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    18 May 2019 18: 17
    What about generally there is no news on the dock and TAVKR.

    It is necessary and necessary to raise the dock as soon as possible, as well as to commission the TAVKR.
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    23 May 2019 14: 24
    Sad ... laughter through tears ...