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Two new frigates of the 22350 project were laid on the Severnaya Verf shipyard

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In St. Petersburg, laid two new frigate project 22350. The ceremony of laying the ships was attended by Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Two new frigates of the 22350 project were laid on the Severnaya Verf shipyard


As reported, the President of Russia arrived at the shipyard "Severnaya Verf", where he took part in the solemn ceremony of laying down two serial frigates of the 22350 project - "Admiral Amelko" and "Admiral Chichagov". The head of state installed the Mortgage Board of the frigate Admiral Amelko, and the Mortgage Board of the frigate Admiral Chichagov was established jointly by Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov.

Immediately after the ceremony of laying the frigates at the Severnaya Verf, the docking of the 20386 “Mercury” head corvette hull units took place. The ship was named in honor of the brig "Mercury", which in May 1829, during the Russian-Turkish war, won a victory in an unequal battle with two ships of the line and was awarded the stern flag of St. George for this feat.

Also, the Russian president took part in the videoconference mode in the ceremony of laying down two large landing ships of the 11711 "Ivan Gren" project at the shipyards of the Baltic plant "Amber" in Kaliningrad. For the Navy of the Russian Federation, the Vasily Trushin and Vladimir Andreev BDK will be built here.

During the laying of ships, the Russian president said that he expected that the planned construction time for newly laid ships in the Russian Federation would be sustained, since this is of great importance for the country's defense capability.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 23 2019 15: 56 New
    +2
    Two new frigates of the 22350 project were laid on the Severnaya Verf shipyard
    Wow, yes, the president and I think almost the same way sometimes! My comment came out half an hour earlier wassat I am sometimes amazed at myself laughing Okay, okay. Joke. Little! 20 pieces needed! hi
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi April 23 2019 16: 02 New
      +16
      Quote: Observer2014
      Two new frigates of the 22350 project were laid on the Severnaya Verf shipyard
      Wow, yes, the president and I think almost the same way sometimes! My comment came out half an hour earlier wassat I am sometimes amazed at myself laughing Okay, okay. Joke. Little! 20 pieces needed! hi

      Well, quite worthy. Shipbuilding is generally very serious. A huge chain of orders and suppliers. It’s not worth talking about the military.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich April 23 2019 16: 36 New
        +14
        22350 project worked out. The same turbines for frigates 22350 from the very beginning did in Rybinsk. Saturn made turbines, Kolomna made diesel engines, then it was sent to Zorya, who added her gearbox and gas generator, tested the complete assembly at her stand and sent it to St. Petersburg. It was necessary to import not so much a turbine, but a Ukrainian gearbox, which is part of the DSTU. To date, a turbine has been made, a stand built. With gears while the ass, the first pair is half-assembled and understaffed. All P055 parts are subcontracted. Probably not to earn money on the state "Star-Reducer" (90% of the state’s shares). Subcontractors disrupt the delivery of parts. The first pair of P055 is slowly being collected. "Saturn" curator on the "Star Reducer" planted to control the process.
    2. YOUR
      YOUR April 23 2019 16: 13 New
      -24
      Over the past 30 years, not a single ship with a displacement of more than 4000 tons was built. Those. far sea zone.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 April 23 2019 16: 14 New
        -19
        Quote: YOUR
        Over the past 30 years, not a single ship with a displacement of more than 4000 tons was built. Those. far sea zone.

        yes I can’t afford it. No money.
        1. maximum 8
          maximum 8 April 23 2019 16: 54 New
          +18
          Quote: Observer2014
          Quote: YOUR
          Over the past 30 years, not a single ship with a displacement of more than 4000 tons was built. Those. far sea zone.

          yes I can’t afford it. No money.

          Do not be fooled. Displacement 22350 5300 thousand tons, 22350M 6500 thousand tons.
          https://topwar.ru/112771-vmf-rf-obsuzhdaet-novyy-proekt-fregatov-22350m-s-uvelichennym-vodoizmescheniem.html
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 April 23 2019 16: 58 New
            -14
            Quote: maximum 8
            Quote: Observer2014
            Quote: YOUR
            Over the past 30 years, not a single ship with a displacement of more than 4000 tons was built. Those. far sea zone.

            yes I can’t afford it. No money.

            Do not be fooled. Displacement 22350 5300 thousand tons, 22350M 6500 thousand tons.
            https://topwar.ru/112771-vmf-rf-obsuzhdaet-novyy-proekt-fregatov-22350m-s-uvelichennym-vodoizmescheniem.html

            laughing Yeah, it’s my fault that they’re not building, and even in large quantities. That's the reason! Is Vanya okay?
            1. turbris
              turbris April 23 2019 17: 20 New
              +6
              No, it's not your fault, but pretending that only you know about it and don’t understand why is just not serious!
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 April 23 2019 17: 24 New
                -5
                Quote: turbris
                No, it's not your fault, but pretending that only you know about it and don’t understand why is just not serious!

                laughing good It’s already easier. And about seriously, it’s also cool. For if I start seriously, it’s better to get into the loop right away. And, I’m an Orthodox Christian.
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova April 23 2019 16: 32 New
        0
        do not need it yet, we are not going to the ocean, but in 20 years, maybe large warships will go down in history, maybe 100 missiles that can hit any ship in the ocean than the ship itself are better?
        1. 777-3-59-97
          777-3-59-97 April 23 2019 16: 40 New
          +10
          and in 20 years, large warships may go down in history

          Logic - Class good
          So after 20 years, the fifth generation of fighters will go down in history, therefore, do not bother with the SU-57, but just wait a bit and start sawing immediately the 7th generation.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova April 24 2019 08: 27 New
            +2
            Anyway, there are no options, ocean ships of 10 years are definitely not going to build
        2. spektr9
          spektr9 April 23 2019 20: 46 New
          +4
          it’s not necessary yet, we’re not going to the ocean, but in 20 years large military ships may go down in history

          The main thing is that without them, after 20 years, we would not go down in history, otherwise we really won't need them anymore ...
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova April 24 2019 08: 29 New
            +1
            Well, where does pessimism come from?))) Maybe we’ll leave, but not because there were no Oken ships
        3. YOUR
          YOUR April 24 2019 02: 33 New
          -2
          The flight range of the RCC is 300 km, well, maybe 450 to the maximum. So also means of detection and guidance are needed. And they will come to our shores for 500 - 700 km and beat with cruise missiles with a flight range of 2000 - 5000 km.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova April 24 2019 08: 46 New
            +1
            So it is necessary that we can beat on ships with a range of 2000-5000
            1. YOUR
              YOUR April 24 2019 10: 53 New
              0
              Apparently stupid military and even more designer do not understand this.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova April 24 2019 10: 57 New
                0
                let them then develop
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR April 24 2019 11: 02 New
                  0
                  At one time, the Americans made such a missile based on the Tomahawk. They refused, even their budget did not pull this rocket. And its accuracy was less than 50%. How do you imagine the guidance of this rocket. Ships in the sea, the ocean is constantly in motion. It is for stationary reconnaissance targets that can be fired at such ranges with high accuracy, and not for moving ones.
                  1. Nastia makarova
                    Nastia makarova April 24 2019 11: 50 New
                    0
                    What is the solution then?
                    1. YOUR
                      YOUR April 24 2019 13: 10 New
                      0
                      Decent fleet, not some kind of lumps.
                      1. Nastia makarova
                        Nastia makarova April 24 2019 16: 23 New
                        +1
                        There will be no money for it, it's time to measure
        4. Astronaut
          Astronaut April 25 2019 11: 47 New
          0
          Young lady, well, you think just like Nikita Sergeevich !!!
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova April 25 2019 16: 56 New
            0
            Is that a compliment or a curse?
      3. yehat
        yehat April 23 2019 16: 35 New
        +3
        But what about the BDK, is it not a ship?
        1. Marconi41
          Marconi41 April 23 2019 16: 59 New
          0
          Quote: yehat
          But what about the BDK, is it not a ship?

          The ship of course. But Russia already needs ships of a different class, for example, UDC. In the meantime, we are building what we can, for which there is enough money and technology.
          1. turbris
            turbris April 23 2019 17: 23 New
            -2
            Did you personally decide that or were you at a meeting at the General Staff of the Navy?
            1. Marconi41
              Marconi41 April 23 2019 17: 25 New
              +5
              Quote: turbris
              Did you personally decide that or were you at a meeting at the General Staff of the Navy?

              Well, you probably know better where we are sailors.
          2. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 April 23 2019 22: 21 New
            0
            but why in your Russia UDC do we have colonies that need to be periodically bombed? how is the USA?
            1. Marconi41
              Marconi41 April 24 2019 01: 33 New
              0
              Quote: vladimir1155
              but why in your Russia UDC do we have colonies that need to be periodically bombed? how is the USA?

              And why then, in your opinion, do we need the marines together with our recreation centers? You should at least get acquainted with the tasks of the MP and decide where they can be solved on your territory.
              And also try to compare the tasks of UDC and BDK and which of them will more efficiently fulfill these tasks. You can, of course, try to land the landing on the ship in the old fashioned manner and leave it there as a monument to our stupidity.
              No offense. hi
              1. Vladimir1155
                Vladimir1155 April 24 2019 09: 09 New
                0
                Quote: Marconi41
                compare the tasks of UDC and BDK and which of them will more efficiently fulfill these tasks.

                Undoubtedly, the BDK, and even better the MDK, will fulfill the tasks of landing infantry near the actions of its ground forces much, much more efficiently than the UDC, and with less losses. Firstly, the BDK and MDK not only machine gunners, but also heavy equipment, and secondly, they land immediately quickly (until the breeder had time to take measures), a large number of troops capable of occupying and holding the bridgehead, and infantry platooned and unhurried. Thirdly, the UDC is generally a large and defenseless target suitable only for fighting the Papuans armed with bow and arrow.
      4. maximum 8
        maximum 8 April 23 2019 16: 49 New
        +9
        Quote: YOUR
        Over the past 30 years, not a single ship with a displacement of more than 4000 tons was built. Those. far sea zone.

        Excuse me, Admiral Gorshkov of project 22350 with a displacement of 5300 thousand tons, who is now in the parade in China, doesn’t it belong to the ships of the far sea zone? They started to build it since 2005. In my opinion, it is 153 meters long.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 April 23 2019 17: 12 New
          -9
          = maximum 8]
          Quote: YOUR
          Over the past 30 years, not a single ship with a displacement of more than 4000 tons was built. Those. far sea zone.

          Excuse me, Admiral Gorshkov of project 22350 with a displacement of 5300 thousand tons, who is now in the parade in China, doesn’t it belong to the ships of the far sea zone? They started to build it since 2005 .. In my opinion, it is 153 meters long.
          laughing
          Vanya googled at first 153 meters. Teach the mat part before clinging to others. Sit on the guard. Two. Go cons put you friends better
      5. figwam
        figwam April 23 2019 17: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: YOUR

        Over the past 30 years, not a single ship has been built with a displacement of more than 4000 tons.

        Ivan Gren - 5000 tons.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR April 24 2019 02: 36 New
          -1
          A ship and some other ship. Virtually no weapons. And these, which are against UDC, have 45000 tons, and this is not only a landing ship, but also an aircraft carrier, which takes more aircraft than our Kuznetsov.
      6. Veteran
        Veteran April 23 2019 17: 23 New
        +16
        Quote: YOUR
        Over the past 30 years, not a single ship with a displacement of more than 4000 tons was built. Those. far sea zone.

        Invalid statement. 5 warships were built and put into operation: 3 Fr. 11356 Ave. (Grigorovich, Essen, Makarov, VI full 4035 t.), 1 F X X.UMX Ave. , VI full 22350 t), all ships DMZ.
        By the way, the operational zones of the BC are determined not only by the displacement, but also by the cruising range, seaworthiness and autonomy.
      7. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 23 2019 18: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: YOUR
        Over the past 30 years, not a single ship with a displacement of more than 4000 tons was built. Those. far sea zone.

        Defensive doctrine, however. Ships from the advancing adversary are planned by the ships of the coastal zone (there are also submarines for this). Well, he and the world can make an apocalypse with the help of nuclear submarines and land-based. Do not forget about the air component with their X-102
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 April 23 2019 20: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: Piramidon
          Defensive doctrine, however.

          The best defense is an attack. When G.K.Zhukov was asked what is the best air defense, he replied: "my tanks at enemy airfields!" It’s clear that we are missing something (money? Resources? Determination?)
        2. YOUR
          YOUR April 24 2019 02: 38 New
          0
          And a lot of this air component?
          By the way, what about intelligence and discovery?
      8. Svetlana
        Svetlana April 23 2019 19: 57 New
        +8
        Over the past 30 years, not a single ship with a displacement of more than 4000 tons was built. Those. far sea zone.

        Over the past 30 years, the State has been destroyed and on its ruins, today, something else is being built (others). Over the past 30 years, the economy has changed dramatically. The stampede for American legs, rotten potatoes disappeared, and the shuttles disappeared. And it was much more important than building larger ships.
        1. spektr9
          spektr9 April 23 2019 20: 49 New
          -3
          Over the past 30 years, the State has been destroyed and on its ruins, today, something else is being built (others). Over the past 30 years, the economy has changed dramatically. The stampede for American legs, rotten potatoes disappeared, and the shuttles disappeared.

          Wow, now we have products for the poor made from palm oil that even animals don’t eat ... Instead of shuttles, aliexpress appeared ... Well, the economy as it was resource-oriented remained
          There were no ships, no
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana April 23 2019 21: 30 New
            +2
            Wow, now we have products for the poor made from palm oil that even animals don’t eat ... Instead of shuttles, aliexpress appeared ... Well, the economy as it was resource-oriented remained
            There were no ships, no

            With the advent of capitalism, society became stratified and quite naturally both expensive and cheap products appeared. This is normal. The main thing they appeared. You probably just don’t remember, but there was a time when the store shelves were just empty.
            But the Ships have already begun to build, and one seems to have even been adopted recently.
            Ps: And palm oil, although not useful, but not deadly. I remember my parents got an incomprehensible margarine poured right into a cardboard box. That was glad .. more oil was not to buy.
            1. spektr9
              spektr9 April 23 2019 22: 09 New
              +4
              You probably just don’t remember, but there was a time when the store shelves were just empty.

              Of course I remember, and I remember how it was achieved

              Ps: And palm oil, although not useful, but not deadly

              Well, here many doctors will disagree with you ...

              But the Ships have already begun to build, and one seems to have even been adopted recently

              One in 30 years, progress, I’m silent about the first rank
      9. jonht
        jonht April 23 2019 22: 26 New
        +3
        I don’t understand, but 3 Borea and 2 Ash? Or even something with a displacement? Or range does not suit?
      10. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm April 24 2019 00: 05 New
        +2
        moreover, they want to cut 2 Orlanes into metal. So there’s nothing to brag about, not only gearboxes, but we can’t do much more, mechanical engineering is a serious, laborious, science-intensive thing, etc., after the Soviet Union collapsed, no one was seriously engaged in it.
    3. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad April 23 2019 16: 17 New
      +10
      Here's what's interesting:
      The fifth and sixth frigates of project 22350 - Admiral Amelko and Admiral Chichagov - will be armed with 24 Caliber cruise missiles. On Tuesday, April 23, before laying the ships said Andrei Dudich, who leads the project 22350 at the Severnaya Verf.
      https://flotprom.ru/2019/СевернаяВерфь12/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
      So that the project does not stand still. And, apparently, everything is getting better with the engines, and we will do our own. This is all encouraging.
      1. Sergei 777
        Sergei 777 April 23 2019 16: 48 New
        +1
        They are working on a project with 48 launchers. It is almost a destroyer.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 23 2019 22: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Observer2014
      Few! 20 pieces needed!

      Studying the history of the Russian Empire (until the 1917 year), I came across this historical fact ...
      Prior to World War I, the Russian SUBMARINE fleet was the MOST NUMEROUS IN THE WORLD! And counted about 80! submarine of a different class. And they were built not according to 20 years, but in the period from 1902 years, to 1916 years. That is, for 14 years, 80 sub!
  2. 777-3-59-97
    777-3-59-97 April 23 2019 16: 03 New
    -9
    The Russian president said that he hoped that the planned timelines for the construction of newly laid ships in the Russian Federation would be met, since this is of great importance for the country's defense.

    laughing laughing The very naivety.
    1. Galleon
      Galleon April 23 2019 16: 43 New
      +18
      If you want, the terms of these two serial orders are a test of the competency of the Northern Shipyard. At the end of the eighties, this plant could produce 3-4 destroyers of the project 956 a year. The construction deadlines will stand - it means that professionals still plow at this glorious factory. I hope those who I once knew personally. Or their change.
      1. bk316
        bk316 April 23 2019 16: 58 New
        +2
        Withstand construction time

        With all due respect, Andrei will not stand it. But if you fit into the allowance of 20% is already normal.
        The Admiralty’s terms are stable with us, and even then not for all positions.
        1. Galleon
          Galleon April 23 2019 17: 03 New
          0
          Difficult question, Vladimir! Very complicated. We will see. It is a pity, the article does not indicate the deadlines for the delivery of pledged orders.
          1. Beregovic_1
            Beregovic_1 April 23 2019 17: 27 New
            +5
            The article does not yet indicate the conclusion from the shop of the nuclear submarine Belgorod, which occurred in parallel. It’s even strange that the local Poseidonians missed the point ...
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 23 2019 18: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: bk316
          will not stand

          Do not claim laurels of Vanga. We will look at the results
      2. Marconi41
        Marconi41 April 23 2019 17: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Galleon
        In the late eighties, this plant could issue 3-4 project 956 destroyers per year.

        Oh, there were good times! And although our destroyers smoked like damned, but what a power!
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 24 2019 07: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Marconi41
          Oh, there were good times!

          I'm sorry, but what were they good at? On January 1 of the 1990 of the year, the Navy of the USSR had 3's Orlanes, 3's Atlantes, 4 Krecheta and 12 Sarychei! 22 ship URO on the 4 fleet !!!!!
          Quote: Marconi41
          our destroyers smoked like damned

          Why did you decide this? Sarych Tikonderogu for one or two outsiders left! .... and without smoke wink
      3. yehat
        yehat April 23 2019 17: 02 New
        +2
        I can’t believe something that 4 Buzzards could do in a year
        it's PPC how fast!
        1. Galleon
          Galleon April 23 2019 17: 38 New
          +5
          Of course, not in a year. But they handed over one at a time until the end of the first dozen orders, and then they went to take 3-4. In the boathouse there were 3-4 buildings and 3 at the outfitting wall. I saw it myself))
          1. yehat
            yehat April 23 2019 20: 58 New
            0
            I was small then - I saw 2 at the wall
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 April 24 2019 07: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Galleon
            could issue 3-4 destroyers per year

            repeat Fine, fine...
            Quote: Galleon
            Of course, not in a year

            fellow
            Quote: Galleon
            But they handed over one a year

            fellow
            Quote: Galleon
            and then we went to take 3-4

            what Oh, well, it’s not like a boy ....
            The first 11 boxes were built from 4 to 6 years, Quick and Fearless for three years! Yes, and call me 3 or 4 destroyers which entered service in one year?
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 23 2019 23: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: yehat
          I can’t believe something that 4 Buzzards could do in a year
          it's PPC how fast!

          I will tell you more that only for the USSR Navy during the period from 1980 to 1993 the year was transferred to the fleet 17! destroyers Sarych. Plus China built-4 Sarych. And in varying degrees of readiness there were 2 destroyers, the construction of which was discontinued. That's how they built it in the USSR. During the 13 years, the 21 destroyer.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 24 2019 08: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            I’ll tell you more that only for the USSR Navy from 1980 to 1993 year was transferred to the fleet 17!

            Andrei, I’ll tell you more, for the Soviet Navy, only 14 destroyers were built on the 3 fleet, the KChF was deprived of them.
            Quote: NEXUS
            That's how they built it in the USSR. During the 13 years, the 21 destroyer.

            I look, you are special in all topics laughing ! 21 destroyer was built for 30 years!!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS April 24 2019 08: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              I look, you are special in all topics

              If I express my opinion in those topics that interest me, I give them out as MY OPINION, and not as the opinion of a distinguished specialist of the Russian Federation. Or is it annoying you that I express my opinion?
              Quote: Serg65
              21 destroyer was built in 30 years !!!!!

              I talked about 17 destroyers over 13 years of myself. 4 destroyers for China were built later.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 24 2019 08: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: NEXUS
                Does it bother you that I express my opinion?

                Each of your opinions is put forward as a statement of last resort!
                Quote: NEXUS
                I talked about 17 destroyers over 13 years of myself.

                No, Andrey, here are your words
                Quote: NEXUS
                That's how they built it in the USSR. 13 years 21 destroyer.

                At the same time, the destroyers in the Navy of the USSR were 14 and they were built for 15 years! Restless, Persistent and Fearless went into operation already under Andrew!
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS April 24 2019 09: 10 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Each of your opinions is put forward as a statement of last resort!

                  This is a question of how a person reads. You see it this way ... I’ll tell you that you are not alone in reading my posts this way. But I can’t do anything about it.
      4. Serg65
        Serg65 April 24 2019 07: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Galleon
        In the late eighties this plant could issue 3-4 destroyers of the 956 project in a year

        laughing A Th not at once on 10 a year? Her better 20, generally cool sounds !!!!!!
    2. turbris
      turbris April 23 2019 17: 25 New
      +2
      Then this naivety for some comes out with real terms.
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc April 23 2019 16: 11 New
    +5
    Quote: 777-3-59-97
    The Russian president said that he hoped that the planned timelines for the construction of newly laid ships in the Russian Federation would be met, since this is of great importance for the country's defense.

    laughing laughing The very naivety.

    Counting and hoping are two different things.
    This is essentially a direct preventive warning.
    And then we'll see, either the result of either "landing", or ...
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 23 2019 16: 24 New
      -3
      And then we'll see, either the result of either "landing", or ...
      ... either fuck with him, and so we will live.
  4. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 April 23 2019 16: 21 New
    -6
    I didn’t find this corvette 29386, or a photo is not an artifact, maybe a typo?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 23 2019 16: 28 New
      +10
      20386 - a very controversial boat with a price tag from the frigate.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 23 2019 18: 19 New
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        with a price tag from a frigate

        They will make a share with a yellow price tag. lol
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 23 2019 18: 17 New
      +6
      Quote: Fantazer911
      no photos

      If google Иskiz, then surely will not find laughing
  5. Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova April 23 2019 16: 30 New
    +5
    we respect you our president !!!
  6. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 April 23 2019 16: 30 New
    +10
    You can distort, giggle, but the fact that our president participates in such events - I think this is a momentous event. The fleet to be ....! Good luck and success to our shipbuilders. And do not be ironic about a Ivan Gren type of BDK - I think that after the construction of Morgunov all the problems of this project were eliminated. I want to say that the 864 project built in Poland, the first building also had a whole bunch of problems. But then they were all eliminated .........
    1. 777-3-59-97
      777-3-59-97 April 23 2019 16: 47 New
      +5
      the fact that our president participates in such events - I think this is a momentous event

      Not at all. Just a PR action. No more.
      The President participated in many events, but there has not been a breakthrough so far.
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        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 April 23 2019 18: 41 New
          +3
          Pension reform!
          1. turbris
            turbris April 23 2019 18: 50 New
            +4
            This is all that we were able to squeeze out of ourselves, we will learn about pension reform in a few years and will be judged by real pensions.
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 April 23 2019 19: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: turbris
              This is all that we were able to squeeze out of ourselves

              No, it’s possible that there has been no time for buildup for 10 years in a row. (you can follow on YouTube)
              You can talk about the mortgage rate, which must be reduced to ... And then follow the interest rate for the last years, you will also see a lot of interesting things.
              Quote: turbris
              we learn about pension reform in a few years

              And what exactly? That all were deceived by 750000 rubles? This is now known.
              Quote: turbris
              and we will judge by real pensions

              And who will judge? 40% of men who die a wound 60 years?
              1. turbris
                turbris April 23 2019 19: 11 New
                +3
                I apologize, I thought you were normal, and you are one of those who have "lost everything", so there is nothing to discuss with you, especially since everything has been prepared in advance.
                1. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 April 23 2019 19: 49 New
                  +1
                  [quote = turbris] I thought you were normal, and you are from these [/ quote]
                  On our site (IN), a respectful attitude to the interlocutor is accepted. Therefore, even if you strongly disagree with your opponent, the appeal to “You” is accepted.
                  You can tell the criteria of "normal" and "of these"
                  [quote = turbris] there is nothing to discuss with you, especially since everything is prepared in advance.
                  What exactly? Rosstat data? They are in free circulation (for now), (I hope a joke laughing )
    2. vladcub
      vladcub April 23 2019 16: 58 New
      0
      The best thing is if there is a good sailor among us, otherwise my sofa liked “Green”, and for example, Nastya or Astra design a shaman, but Vanya Sidorov does not like it.
      Among us are units that are in the subject
  7. donavi49
    donavi49 April 23 2019 16: 34 New
    +13
    Judging by the poster, the BDK project was altered into a +/- divine form. Maybe they’ll bring the dock to the camera.


    Well, or a poster = a girl the designer did and it does not mean anything.
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 April 23 2019 17: 45 New
      0
      Quote: donavi49
      Judging by the poster, the BDK project was altered into a +/- divine form. Maybe they’ll bring the dock to the camera.

      It would be nice if so! Still, when landing overhead, I want to see my aviation, and not someone else's. Yes, and landing on the coast by ship in our time is little possible during the war. This is more of a challenge for the Bison.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich April 23 2019 18: 32 New
        +7
        The aft superstructure was moved forward and combined with the bow, and a place for a 2 helipad appeared in the aft. The hull was slightly lengthened, the displacement increased slightly.
        1. Marconi41
          Marconi41 April 23 2019 18: 34 New
          +1
          Great news! It is a pity that only the service ends.
    2. Beregovic_1
      Beregovic_1 April 23 2019 18: 02 New
      0
      Just pushed the add-ons and increased the helipad.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 23 2019 21: 51 New
        +5
        Quote: Beregovyhok_1
        Just moved the add-ons and increased the helipad

        Can not be! (with) belay
        Somehow everything is just you, however! in fact, the project has undergone significant changes. So, the airborne capacity of the updated project has increased to 500 paratroopers (instead of Gren's 300). The number of helicopters increased 4 times, to 8 units, instead of 2-x on the Grene. This allows you to organize over-the-horizon landing of the first assault group or several DRGs to the rear of the enemy DPS. But the corps remained apparently the same, so the landing technique did not increase quantitatively (13 medium tanks or 36 armored personnel carriers). And on the agenda is the question of UDC-helicopter carrier.
        1. Beregovic_1
          Beregovic_1 April 23 2019 22: 32 New
          0
          the landing capacity of the updated project increased to 500 paratroopers (instead of 300 for Gren). The number of helicopters increased 4 times, to 8 units, instead of 2
          And all in 5000 tons ??? Class! I still believe 4 helicopters, provided that 2 are stored on the deck. At 8 - definitely not. Officially, TTX is not yet, but there is common sense. Soon everything will be known.
          1. Veteran
            Veteran April 25 2019 17: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Beregovyhok_1
            And everything in 5000 tons ???

            Rakhmanov said that the displacement of these bodies will increase to 7 - 8 thousand tons, respectively, increase the airborne capacity, but helicopters really do not believe in 8 helicopters, most likely 4.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 23 2019 23: 30 New
          -5
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Can not be! (with)

          I can’t understand what to this day ... look Sasha, they built a fleet in the USSR, expensive titanium nuclear submarines ... Now it seems to have come to the conclusion that the life cycle of the warship 25-40 is years.
          I had a long question: why buildings aren’t building more durable? A third of the ship’s price is the hull.
          For example, the ship of the Magi, which was built 100 years ago, is still part of the Russian Navy.

          And steel was used there, which to this day practically DOES NOT rust! And it is in aggressive salt water.
          Add-ons, as you see, have changed, and they are rusty, but the hull itself, as yesterday from the slipway ...
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 24 2019 08: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: NEXUS
            I had a long question: why buildings aren’t building more durable?

            And you did not think about the fact that the types of weapons, means of detection, control, operational and tactical principles of use are changing with tremendous speed! What will be naval tactics in 30 years? For example, it seems to me that in 30 years, mini-drones will become one of the main types of weapons ..... how will the 30 corps of summer preservation fight this weapon?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS April 24 2019 08: 14 New
              -4
              Quote: Serg65
              For example, it seems to me that in 30 years, mini-drones will become one of the main types of weapons ..... how will the 30 corps of summer preservation fight this weapon?

              The hull of the ship does not fight threats, but what is built above it.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 24 2019 08: 32 New
                +5
                Quote: NEXUS
                The hull of the ship does not fight threats, but what is built above it

                what Are you a seer?
    3. Chicha squad
      Chicha squad April 24 2019 14: 03 New
      0
      On the poster 22350
  8. Samara_63
    Samara_63 April 23 2019 16: 38 New
    -11
    Will the country pull?
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 April 23 2019 16: 57 New
      +6
      Fundamentally - pull. The World Cup pulled. And that cost $ 16 billion.
      1. Samara_63
        Samara_63 April 23 2019 17: 20 New
        -8
        And if without principles? The USSR lokurat before the collapse of the aircraft carriers in Nikolaev laid ... but did not fight for the preservation of the USSR
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 April 23 2019 17: 35 New
          +5
          Well so, having a yacht is more interesting than having an aircraft carrier. Because the yacht is personal. And it costs the same. Such is the way of thinking now for many, on whom the decision to fight or not to fight over something depends.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan April 23 2019 20: 53 New
      0
      Russia has gold reserves under 480 billion dollars, enough for 1000 frigates pr.22350.
  9. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 April 23 2019 16: 45 New
    0
    Hope to 2030 ships 10-12 will be.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 23 2019 21: 57 New
      +7
      Quote: Sergey 777
      Hope to 2030 ships 10-12 will be.

      In the evening news, the Director General of SV, on camera, publicly promised the Supreme, that labor productivity will increase 2,5 times and the shipyard will be commissioned annually on 8 hulls! (previously planned - 4!)
      Here, as they said earlier: "Either chest in crosses, or head in the bushes!" (with) bully
      1. Sergei 777
        Sergei 777 April 24 2019 13: 53 New
        0
        Labor productivity is a tricky thing. The main result.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 April 23 2019 16: 45 New
    +6
    All this will have to wait, and then "see."
    In general, they do .... as always, "not what is needed" and "not as much as necessary" !!!
    I will not judge, I do not know.
    Just to criticize without knowing everything, an empty concussion, WHISTLE!
  11. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 April 23 2019 16: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: 777-3-59-97
    The Russian president said that he hoped that the planned timelines for the construction of newly laid ships in the Russian Federation would be met, since this is of great importance for the country's defense.

    laughing laughing The very naivety.

    Do you have a nickname is a phone number or credit card number?
    1. 777-3-59-97
      777-3-59-97 April 23 2019 16: 57 New
      -1
      And for what purpose are you interested in?
    2. Fantazer911
      Fantazer911 April 23 2019 17: 06 New
      -2
      Information is classified
    3. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 April 23 2019 17: 32 New
      +7
      Three sevens - this is primarily port. And then everything else.
  12. vladcub
    vladcub April 23 2019 16: 50 New
    0
    “The timelines for the construction of the ships newly laid in the Russian Federation will be met,” it will be so if you ask more often and not ask anyhow, but like this: “Ale, as construction, tell your wife that there is no money, but I need it. Do you understand me?”
  13. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 April 23 2019 17: 00 New
    +5
    Quote: 777-3-59-97
    And for what purpose are you interested in?

    Suddenly you need help with money. I don’t hide a name or a surname ....
  14. vladcub
    vladcub April 23 2019 17: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: Livonetc
    Quote: 777-3-59-97
    The Russian president said that he hoped that the planned timelines for the construction of newly laid ships in the Russian Federation would be met, since this is of great importance for the country's defense.

    laughing laughing The very naivety.

    Counting and hoping are two different things.
    This is essentially a direct preventive warning.
    And then we'll see, either the result of either "landing", or ...

    But, indeed, his words can be translated as a warning: "to accuse the hare and stole so much"
  15. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo April 23 2019 17: 15 New
    +4
    the best news on and for the start of this year good
  16. kefan
    kefan April 23 2019 18: 25 New
    +3
    Very good and long-awaited news, if only the pace of construction would increase.
  17. dr.star75
    dr.star75 April 23 2019 18: 46 New
    +1
    If introduced into the fleet earlier than in 10 years, I’m ready to put a bottle of French cognac (0.5l). Anyone wishing to argue that before?
  18. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya April 23 2019 18: 47 New
    0
    The news is good, but no one knows how much they will build.
  19. Alexvv
    Alexvv April 23 2019 19: 32 New
    -4
    Admiral Amelko and Admiral Chichagov

    Will the battleship Admiral Chepiga be?
  20. NF68
    NF68 April 23 2019 20: 54 New
    0
    Good news.
  21. Well done
    Well done April 23 2019 23: 22 New
    +2
    I read the comments so, scratched my turnips. To collect the "specialists" of this vocabulary - an aircraft carrier would be laid!
  22. Piramidon
    Piramidon April 24 2019 09: 07 New
    0
    Quote: YOUR
    And a lot of this air component?

    Well, and how much is it, according to your data? I personally did not count, and you, too, are not up to date, although sarcasm in your question is clearly visible. In your opinion, how many nuclear charges are needed to inflict "irreparable damage" on the enemy?
  23. amr
    amr April 24 2019 13: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    What is the solution then?

    nevertheless, to build ships in the far zone, let it be piece by piece ...
    You can lose competence in construction and design! but then it will be impossible to catch up!

    In fact, I would have gathered 10 oligarchs in Putin’s place, I would have said that it is an honor for the Russian kinokaro represented by the president to have such handsome men in his country, and it was decided that they would have to build one-piece ships of the far zone at the expense of these people, naturally each ship will be named after the sponsor, imagine:
    Aircraft carrying cruiser - Abramovich, Rotenberg and so on))