Sovereign Internet Act - Protection or Isolation?

On April 22, members of the upper house of parliament voted to create the so-called sovereign Internet in Russia. According to this law, an infrastructure will be created to protect our country from possible attempts by foreign countries to impede Russian access to the Internet, as well as reduce the risks of cyber attacks.

However, many in our country continue to consider the law on the reliable functioning of the Internet to be restrictive. So, a survey conducted by sociologists Levada Center shortly before the adoption of the bill showed that 64% of Russian respondents have a negative attitude to this initiative.

At the discussion stage, this draft law was subjected to violent information attacks and began to be perceived as the law “On the isolation of the Internet”. This situation is largely due to the fact that state institutions themselves do not really explain to citizens what exactly the essence of the new law is, and how its work affects not only the users themselves, but also the user wallets.

The authors of “Time is ahead!” Will try to figure out what has so alarmed many citizens of this law, and will also try to bring proof of the insolvency of those claims to the letter of this law. As far as these proofs are convincing, it is possible to judge by the presented plot:

Comments

[tasha]

This situation is largely due to the fact that state institutions themselves do not really explain to citizens exactly what the essence of the new law is.

Because humanity is rapidly dying. And our country is no exception.

[Stas157]

Sovereign Internet Act - Protection or Isolation?

The state restricts us and puts bans wherever possible. Where to reach.
And if a separate Runet makes it, does anyone really think that this will not be followed by restrictions?
An example is China.

[SETSET]

Duality of opinion is a doubtful decision. It’s better not to make decisions - there are other ways to develop the Internet without infringing on users!

[knn54]

EVERYWHERE has its pros and cons. Specialists should deal with the best option. THE MAIN THING is to prevent Runet from becoming CHEBURNET ...

[AU Ivanov.]

As long as the root DNS is over the hill, we can forget about our network independence.

[yehat]

but this does not cancel at least the start of preparation for partial independence
in our country there is not even a sane hosting, national network resources are close to zero.

[AU Ivanov.]

It has long been necessary to do this. But until thunder strikes, a man will not cross himself.

[NordOst16]

Do you miss censorship in the good old USSR?

[yehat]

censorship is everywhere where there is an organized society - it doesn’t matter whether it is the USSR, Chile with Pinochet or the Third Reich in Germany.
You just need to properly organize censorship so that it not only serves the authorities, but also does not overly oppress.

[NordOst16]

Censorship always serves the interests of the authorities. We need public mechanisms that can limit its distribution well or greatly complicate its distribution.

[bessmertniy]

Local networks are always more expensive. Users will have to pay for it. And will there be any sense in protection, the grandmother said in two, because the domestic Internet will not replace the world wide and will be forced to work as a filter. If you completely isolate yourself from the world Internet, then the losses from information isolation can be disproportionately greater than the benefits of isolation.

[yehat]

but can we at least get high-quality server capacities with high-quality service, just to keep our information at home?
Now half of the Russian resources sits at German addresses simply because there is normal maintenance, unlike the Russian Federation.

[2 Level Advisor]

but the law does not imply maintenance, it suspects filtering .. how can someone turn us off altogether? from all countries of neighbors through which you can enter the network? will all fiber at the borders be cut from all sides? so under the guise of protection against incomprehensible things, they introduce control where to let go where not ..

[yehat]

the law should not imply anything. He must declare clearly and clearly, otherwise it is not a law, but simply an indulgence for lawlessness.

[2 Level Advisor]

Sergey, with two hands for such clear laws as you say, there would be more of them !!! Well, for example, in this, then directly control over the interests of citizens with the possibility of limiting / disconnecting from the global network if necessary (to exclude external influence on the minds) should be explicitly prescribed. I didn’t see anything clear there, some drooling about protection from something and for some reason, among which the meaning is unobtrusively hidden.

[yehat]

it’s not necessary to write in the law
we generally like to introduce laws that are not provided with tools for their implementation. I would start the law with the organization of elementary things that are missing, and then supplement it with amendments.
Do not try to put any philosophical nonsense into the laws
no young minds, corruptive influences, or other strange entities, only clearly and clearly. For example, the maximum period of server non-action is not a day, but 3-4 hours, the procedure for creating and reserving a resource, the procedure for moderating content, etc.

[NordOst16]

And what reason should cause the need to disconnect the RF from the world grid? Any attacks on infrastructure? - So all critical infrastructure should be isolated as much as possible from the global network by default. Influence on Minds? - Well, this is a very vague definition, because photographs, videos, materials about more developed countries always raise questions, but what is wrong with us and this is also an influence (pernicious by the way) because they cause certain questions to our "servants" and generate "rocking the boat ".

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I didn’t see such a clear

And I saw a clearly stated refusal of any claims to both service providers and supervisory authorities due to possible malfunctions of this system.
I also saw the possibility of excluding some networks from this system. Of course, this is fortune telling on the coffee grounds, but I am sure that the exception will be the networks of Russian Railways, Gazprom and other owners of critical infrastructure, because they understand well that all these innovations may well cover all their work.

So the law is clearly aimed at restricting the rights of citizens on the Internet.

[polar fox]

Quote: yehat

the law should not imply anything.

so yes ... but even the president has a "translator" peskov. who will tell everyone "how to correctly understand the guarantor's lowing." judges interpret the articles and make decisions "according to the judge's inner conviction." so go ahead, to the mines!

[Oleg123219307]

Disconnecting us is elementary. Pools of names and addresses are national; it’s enough to introduce the simplest filter that cuts off our ranges and 95 percent of our network into the root dns and main gateways and will be behind closed doors, accessible to everyone except ourselves. The Internet is of course an adaptive system, but the remaining minuscule private channels will overload the flow of requests and they will also crash. In general, to arrange for us the arrival of a fur-bearing beast for the West is a task of 3-4 days if desired. They themselves will lose little, on our territory there is almost no network infrastructure with international tasks. So it’s a limitation or not, but with all my hands for this law. And jobs, and infrastructure, and protection from such a joy. And as for the locks, in order to cut off the foreign Internet even today no infrastructure is needed, a letter from the Roskomnadzor to providers is enough. Just what is the point?

[2 Level Advisor]

When transmitting data, the equipment does not operate with domain names, but operates with IP addresses. And by IP-address it will be possible to reach any server outside the country.
There have already been incidents when entire countries were disconnected from the global network. Among them, for example, North Korea and Syria. The shutdown was made through an attack on the infrastructure of the provider. But you need to consider that in these countries there are not as many providers as in Russia. It is impossible to commit hacker attacks on all major Russian providers at the same time. And the equipment that is responsible for such important functions, as a rule, is duplicated, and communication channels are also duplicated in case of accidents.
Therefore, if we take an abstract country in which there is one backbone provider (which is not in Russia), then the easiest way to disconnect this country from the global Internet is to make a hacker attack on the infrastructure of this provider and disable telecommunication equipment. (as happened in Syria) But such a shutdown will last until the provider restores its infrastructure and puts it back into operation.

[Oleg123219307]

Well, it’s not so simple, ip address pools are allocated to national providers centrally, and you can simply set default filters that reject all routing requests that contain our national addresses in the route. Not in DNS even in the basic switching nodes of Western providers. To do this, you do not even need to invent anything, everything has already been done as part of the technology of combating DDoS. They can be replaced of course, but without regulation, this will only lead to mass conflicts as a result of which someone else’s network with which our addresses will not work will not work. Our network will not work from this.

[2 Level Advisor]

1. Well, for example, TOR just works on IP address spoofing, which means bypassing possible blockings.
2.and besides .. even if the law is in favor of protecting the country's system from shutdown (which I agree as a backup system may be good) - although it is unlikely first of all because no one needs it, why are there functions to control / limit visits to citizens?
As a result, the thought creeps in that everything is for control in the first place, well, and as a bonus, a backup system ..

[forty-eighth]

Cut us off from the root dnsok, we will update the list of domain names through the Chinese dnski, which receive Old root information. What's next? Cut off the Chinese from the Internet? The Chinese and I will upgrade through the Indians. And do they close access? Destroy the entire network, only to block the vile Russian Internet access ... Yeah.

[Varreox.]

Video is not the most objective, to be honest. Another torsion with facts to strengthen the position of one of the parties.

[Gardamir]

When they needed to destroy the Union, we were offered rights, freedoms and other democratic husk. And now we will have liberal totalitarianism. One is everything, the other is nothing.

[Mordvin 3]

If "Time - forward" drowns for this thing, it means that something is unclean here.

[rocket757]

Sho say double-edged sword!
So sticks they always are ....
Only the boom is objective, it doesn’t help \ doesn’t hinder us if we want \ we don’t want to restore order in the country. There will be no closed society, information field, everything is happening in the country and so it is visible.

[Top Gun]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

As long as the root DNS is over the hill, we can forget about our network independence.

Why ?!

On 22.05.2018 in Russia posted 11 replicas root servers, including:

f.root (Moscow - 2 pcs.);
i.root (St. Petersburg);
j.root (Moscow, St. Petersburg);
k.root (Moscow, St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk);
l.root (Moscow, Rostov-on-Don, Yekaterinburg).

They are necessary and sufficient, even if the root servers in the USA collapse, about which you are so amusingly concerned, as in other countries, where, mind you, they do not clicks in epilepsy like clowns: - Help, they are depriving the Internet))) Entry points too wagon and small cart. So the name of the "film" needs to be changed - "Time-back"

[for]

The essence of this law is stormy activity and money, It won’t work anyway. To disperse the thought and advice.

[akudr48]

Internet isolation needed

in order to make it easier to explain to people that the State Department with the Telaviv is to blame,

In order for people to look at the right sites authorized by the authorities, and with anger reject the wrong information, on the wrong sites,

In order for approximate structures to be able to collect attendants on isolation, as according to the law of Spring,

And finally, sovereign democracy needs its own, sovereign Internet, the same as a sovereign pension or sovereign taxes.

Ahead are the sovereign laws of physics ...

[Top Gun]

Quote: akudr48

Ahead are the sovereign laws of physics ...

And why do we need physics when there is an all-substituting word for God and radio "Radonezh" ?! By the way, on the Internet, Orthodox priests quickly became so bored, but they had plans .... And not defend!

[Clueless]

"protection or isolation?" - then and then, as a specialist declare. In the event of a run over by our neighbors - we will be almost autonomous (namely "almost"), in case of manifestation of discontent in our country - it will be easy to "close" what is interfering with the authorities or certain business circles.
Personally, as a representative of the IT industry, I don’t like such things, but we have one advantage - as soon as we begin to put our own power in the wheel, we will easily become a resident of another country along with the product. For our officials lack the intelligence to understand that with their actions in recent years (Yarovaya’s law, attempts to block a Telegram, autonomous Internet, etc.), they are washing away a whole sector of the economy from Russia.
The fact that we will have an analogue of North Korea + China in terms of the Internet is beyond doubt. But we will have it tougher technically.
Soon wait for Internet access through personal accounts, which will be assigned to each citizen.

[Gardamir]

For our officials lack the intelligence to understand that with their actions in recent years (Yarovaya’s law, attempts to block a Telegram, autonomous Internet, etc.), they are washing away a whole sector of the economy from Russia.

But the officials do not care, they will introduce a tax on collecting dead wood, and a new cottage on some sunny beach.

[Ferusmag]

I’m wondering, everyone is shouting that all that the state does with the Internet is isolation and restriction of the freedoms of citizens. And when America and Europe cut it off for us (this cannot be ruled out), what will you yell? What the state did not protect you? Or what did they (s) do everything right?
I believe that we need protection mechanisms, especially in our unstable time. There are plenty of examples.

[Top Gun]

Quote: FerusMag

And when America and Europe cut us off

Before you say this, you need to know how this can happen. Tell us, wretched, your happiness does not know how this can happen, write t.s. scenario of this state of emergency.

[Ferusmag]

How much pathos ...
Well, if you are too lazy to move your brains and watch on the Internet, I’ll say.
you are using the internet. Your provider provides these services. The provider takes this Internet from America, from such giants as AT&T, Sprint and others. These giants are tier 11 providers. Even our Rostelecom and Transtelecom are powered by them. Where do you think ALL of these XNUMX giants are located? To continue, how will this emergency develop and what kinds of this emergency exist?

[Top Gun]

Quote: FerusMag

Provider takes this internet from america, from such giants as AT&T, Sprint and others.

What kind of nonsense is this ?! Do you actually know what the INTERNET is ?! Or do you have an idea about it as the authors of the film in the article ?! )))

[Ferusmag]

I took data directly from these sites, the institute where I was educated and from thousands of articles, "where does the Internet come from."
Are you criticizing? Suggest. Your version

[Top Gun]

Quote: FerusMag

Even Rostelecom and Transtelecom ours feed on them.

You write on your forehead that the INTERNET is not a gas pipe, as you are used to in the Russian Federation, it’s completely different! )))

[Ferusmag]

That is, you can’t say? Then why shake the forum?
Not gas? Wow, I agree. This is a fiber optic pipe (cable) at the bottom of the ocean. (more precisely the network) And this is not a joke.
If you can’t say that there is the Internet, where it comes from and how it spreads in Russia, then do not write general phrases.

[Top Gun]

Quote: FerusMag

Your version

This is not even my version))) It’s quite simple, at worst, if you don’t know ANYTHING at all, open the wiki: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet. Read from the first line)))

[Ferusmag]

So, a start has been made (unless of course you read further on the first line)
Now attention here
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier-1-операторы
If our operators are not level 1 (and we have already found out that this is not so), they depend on those 11. Read the "routing features" in this article and do not be confused by the word "usually", we are talking about emergency situations

[Top Gun]

Quote: FerusMag

If you can’t say that there is the Internet, where it comes from and how it spreads in Russia, then do not write general phrases.

It is not taken and not distributed. Just translate this word - you don’t need any institutes in which, as you assure us, studied))) So: INTERNET - global computer network , the elements of which are connected to each other through a single address space (most often referring to the World Wide Web (WWW - World Wide Web) and the information available in it, and not the physical network itself). The Internet on the network is NOT TAKEN, the Internet is the NETWORK.

[Ferusmag]

All right, I agree
Where are the centers of this network? Who controls them? Where are the starting nodes?

[Top Gun]

Quote: FerusMag

If our operators are not level 1 (and we have already found out that this is not so), they depend on those 11. Read the "routing features" in this article and do not be confused by the word "usually", we are talking about emergency situations

Tyuyuyuyu ... Well, now I understand))) Do you even know the word TRAFFIC (Traffic) ?! ))) Why are you confusing soft and warm ?! ))) INTERNET and TRAFFIC are different words and mean completely different things. And now you now understand the main thing, which I spoke about earlier (though not in this topic) that the very chip of this law is not on the Internet, as such, but about traffic in it))) And not "protection" of the INTERNET it is declared there, but banal CENSORSHIP. Well, if you use both hands to censor traffic, then the flag is in your hands and a drum on your neck!

[Top Gun]

Quote: FerusMag

Where are the centers of this network? Who controls them? Where are the starting nodes?

Take it, yes read it. Although I have already described above about 11 root replicas located and physically and logicallyin the Russian Federation.

Quote: Top Gun

As of May 22.05.2018, 11, XNUMX replicas of root servers are located in Russia, including:

So the horror stories about the pagan Yankees in this case do not channel)))

[Top Gun]

Quote: forty-eighth

Cut us off from the root dnsok, we will update the list of domain names through the Chinese dnski, which receive Old root information. What's next? Cut off the Chinese from the Internet? The Chinese and I will upgrade through the Indians. And do they close access? Destroy the entire network, only to block the vile Russian Internet access ... Yeah.

Yes, no one will do this. The only way to cut off the Russian Federation from the Internet is physically cut off cable (or whatever it is instead of cable)))) And if in the case of the DPRK it works, then in the case of the Russian Federation it will not. Too many access points, since the initial connection went far from the same as, for example, in China.

[Top Gun]

Quote: yehat

censorship is everywhere where there is an organized society - it doesn’t matter whether it is the USSR, Chile with Pinochet or the Third Reich in Germany.

Yes. It's like a pension. There is everywhere, but in the Russian Federation it is somehow not the same and with censorship it will be the same crap, if not a disaster.