US trying to expand the capabilities of submarines

The fleet of the United States of America is looking for a way to circumvent payload restrictions through torpedo tubes. In order to find a solution to this problem, the United States is launching a special project.

Each torpedo tube is a kind of docking system, a portal between the dry payload storage and the aquatic environment through which this payload will move to its final destination.

However, torpedo tubes have a very limited amount of the payload that can literally be placed in them. The new project of the Office of Naval Research (UWMI) of the United States aims to find a way around this limitation.

In particular, the navy is looking for a way to use torpedo mines to launch unmanned underwater vehicles (BPA). The development is called the “launch system of container BPA” or UUVSS.

The principle of these devices is simple: the unit is packed in a special container that has fixed dimensions corresponding to the size of the torpedo tube. It is 21 inches in diameter (approximately 50 cm), 25 feet (7,6 meters) long. The container should serve as a kind of conductor through the narrow mouth of the torpedo tube and open up as soon as it leaves.

Depending on the characteristics, the unit can either remain the same or increase in size due to inflatable elements.

Types of containers

Containers can be disposable or reusable. May vary depending on functionality. UVMI expects that disposable containers will be "ejected" from a torpedo tube along with an underwater robot, and reusable ones can remain in the mine in order to be reused.

The full list of requirements for the project strikes the fact that this is not just a desire caused by advances in robotics. It is also a request that became possible only because of progress in the field of materials science.

It is not only about launching robots from torpedo tubes, but also about creating miniature pumps and inflatable containers that make it possible to launch robots through pipes, using new technologies and modeling the interaction of fluids.

The project fits into a broader plan for finding ways to use submarines as base platforms and mother ships for smaller robots. In one of the proposals for another project, ways of modifying vertical launchers on Virginia-class submarines were considered, turning them into robots based bases. The launch container system allowed torpedo tubes to function in a similar way, which expanded the capabilities of a submarine with a human crew at times, making it not just a formidable striking force, but also a container for a whole range of shunting and reconnaissance vehicles.

Comments

[rocket757]

WAR OF ROBOTS !!!
For such a complex environment as the oceans, this is true!
What is more important, WHO WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL THAT IS LATE!

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: rocket757

WHO IS NOT SUCCESSFUL THAT IS LATE!

Is this a call? If the call, then to whom specifically?
http://sfts-1500.narod.ru

[rocket757]

It is a hint to look at both. It is unlikely that striped gifts will be gathered in this way to deliver / deliver.

[poquello]

Quote: rocket757

It is a hint to look at both. It is unlikely that striped gifts will be gathered in this way to deliver / deliver.

and this idea suits us better, we spit out such a package and it is inflated into a rubber corvette)))))))

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: rocket757

It is a hint to look at both.

It is unlikely that anyone will pay attention to your hint. Have you looked at the link? It was 2005 year. And there was also 2000. Here I already gave a link to the answer of Lev Sidorenko then the head of the Maritime Scientific Committee of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
Today in Russia it’s important to cut money, and not to make drones. And today, little has changed in this matter.

[rocket757]

Everything happens for the first time ..... about our authorities, ANYWHERE, they have set an objective assessment for a long time, and then everything goes according to those that are not dependent !!! from us reasons.
I never voted for this power, but that didn’t make it easier and nothing changed ....
The majority is a minority, it's just that we are in the second "half" of society, I hope so far!

[Voyager]

I would ask Topvar's editors to translate and cover the news that the Americans have reached the finish line in hypersound and with solutions that are very interesting and dangerous for us, in particular the AGM-183A Arrow (the declared speed of Mach 20) and the tactical hypersonic unit from DARPA. They want to put the Strela into service by 2021.

[rocket757]

Do they have a direct connection with foreign developers?

[Aleks2048]

I read the article ... I read the comments ... Sadness ... There are a lot of discussions about how the USA itself plans to use it ... how effective, etc. However, there are ideas that in the Russian Federation it is necessary to do something similar and not once there in the distant and satisfying future, but right now, and even better yesterday ... and this causes sadness ...

For such a complex environment as the oceans, this is true!
What is more important, WHO WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL THAT IS LATE!

Are any of the people who advocate that the Russian Federation actively invest in an aggressive capable of projecting power further than the Eurasian continent the Russian fleet look at the economy of the Russian Federation? Someone looked, even if we turn our economy, and then what to do with this force in the Russian Federation? The next 50-100 years, the Russian economy unfortunately will not become a global locomotive. This means that there are no prerequisites for the creation of an ocean fleet in the Russian Federation capable of something more than once maintaining a safe exit to the launch area of ​​missile submarine carriers and guarding the coastline with support from the coast. And this immediately puts an end to dreams about the active use and construction of aircraft carriers, and indeed other large surface ships, as well as naval aviation. You can be a patriot as much as you like, but you should not lose touch with the real world. The Russian Federation is a land power and it is necessary to ensure complete control and dominance over Eurasia, the United States is forced to actively project its strength into Eurasia and is forced to have a powerful fleet with it from its continent is simply not otherwise possible. But the Russian Federation does not have the economic need to project forces either to South America or Africa, and even more so to Australia, in all these regions Russian business has no interests, and this suggests that the construction of the Great Fleet in the Russian Federation will simply turn into a ballast on the economy countries, because everyone understands that even just maintaining such a fleet will cost not a little money, and conducting active military operations will generally cost astronomical amounts. You can talk as much as you like that we in the Russian Federation should have such a fleet to protect interests in the Arctic ... however, here we do not need the Great Fleet, but aviation and missile forces, because in fact the Arctic is not only not only now, but also in the foreseeable future, does not plan to populate, they plan (if they plan, of course, and not just chatter) to produce resources, primarily hydrocarbons, from drilling platforms, and the fleet is not needed to manage and exert pressure on such processes. After all, we understand that it takes more than one day to go from the idea of ​​extracting something in the Arctic to the actual functioning resource extraction channel, this is exploration drilling, the very construction of a drilling platform and means for exporting the resource, and much more ...
So is it worth the Russian Federation now to get involved in programs for creating robotic means for reviewing the situation in the world’s oceans, or is it better to recognize it as an excess that we may really need over time (in 30-50 years). Is it worth it to invest today in the alteration of 1-2 submarines, the construction of an aircraft carrier, the construction of ships capable of conducting full operations overseas? Maybe it's still too much?

[rocket757]

The country's armed forces should be harmoniously developed with all the necessary components! All new items, new trends should be, at a minimum, considered, researched and what they consider appropriate, to do, to develop! Let the answer be asymmetric, then we can afford it ..... not guns instead of butter, but guns, schob butter from the tables at the PEOPLE did not disappear!

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: Alex2048

You can be a patriot as much as you like, but you should not lose touch with the real world.

I won’t really surprise you if I say that it’s you who have lost touch with the real world. You were impressed by the most powerful patriotic PR campaign. And you believed. It turns out that it was you who lost touch with the real world. You criticize activities that are not. There is an imitation of activity.

Quote: Alex2048

Is it worth investing today in remaking the 1-2 submarines

Worth it. And note, there are no "Poseidons" yet. Absolutely not. The start of sea trials of the still virtual "Poseidon" is scheduled for the coming summer. Nobody knows what will happen in the summer. Nobody really knows. The finished boat has already been redesigned, because it costs relatively little money. Made minor changes to one compartment. All other bays, like the systems, remained unchanged. But how much PR! The layman has already drawn his imagination, how numerous carriers with a bunch of Poseidons ply the vastness of the oceans. It's not PR people who have lost touch with the real world, but you. PR people are really in chocolate today.

[Aleks2048]

Everything I have with the connection with the real world is normal.
If you read a little more carefully what I wrote, then you would not write

You criticize activities that do not exist.

There is really little activity ... This is just to say the outline design of an aircraft carrier ... some sketches on naval aviation ... with a surface fleet nothing is clear at all ... however, all of the above is being developed, money is being spent ...
In general, my comment was on discussions on whether it is worth investing money in the aforementioned ... For a long time it has been written about Poseidons that theoretically there should be 24 on three carriers ... but this is not accurate. By the way, there are also many questions about Poseidon and its power, and there are also opportunities for protection against it (theoretically, and how can we talk about practice if it is not yet in service).
And as for PR, you are right, much is greatly inflated ... but in practice there is no exhaust.
And yours

Worth it.

The only question is, but what are we going to redo?

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: Alex2048

Everything I have with the connection with the real world is normal.

That was the irony. Sorry, I counted on you to understand this. You have more common sense than many here.
And about

Quote: Alex2048

Worth it.

there was also irony. The guys in power make money. They are not interested in common sense, and their country's interests are not at all a priority.
Even here, many people ask the question: Why is this underwater vehicle needed? And they do not find an answer. When I presented this concept to the Presidential Administration and Moscow Region twenty years ago, there was no carrier, and there was no idiotic idea of ​​a tsunami. Excuse me, but I knew then that the tsunami is nonsense. Attack drones have been proposed as missile carriers that do not require a "comfortable" position. And drones after the death of the Kursk were offered as carriers of torpedoes, which were accused of the death of this submarine.
Or patrol drones (2005 site of the year): http://sfts-1500.narod.ru
Once again, I ask you not to be offended.

[sogdy]

Quote: Alex2048

Alex2048 (Yusupov Alexey)

A lot of beeches. Boring.

[Gray brother]

Some kind of addiction. I did not understand what they were going to fool there and why.

[lucul]

Quote: Gray Brother

Some kind of addiction. I did not understand what they were going to fool there and why.

What is incomprehensible here ??
Have the aircraft carriers seen? Or is there another name for them?
They want to make submarines on the same principle of "mothers" - only instead of airplanes there will be drones, and they will be under water, the so-called
underwater hive of drones.
Everything seems to be logical - the development of robotics and materials science allows this to be done.

[Gray brother]

Quote: lucul

What is incomprehensible here ??

It is not clear why the containers should be transported if it is possible to adjust the drone to the diameter of the TA, but not necessarily in length.
By the way, communication will be possible only by cable, the boat will not be able to maneuver.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Gray Brother

It is not clear why the containers should be transported if it is possible to adjust the drone to the diameter of the TA, but not necessarily in length.

And this is like a mine, until you need to lie at the bottom - it took - surfaced - took off (for the Air Force drones) / surfaced - torpedo (for the Navy drones), and eventually SkyNET will draw and kick everyone ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: PSih2097

- needed - surfaced

And how does it know that it was needed?

[Cowbra]

Well, I’m sitting too, and I don’t understand. It’s like a barrel in a rifleman - from it you can release a bullet of only LESS, but not LARGE size. Some crap, right you said - addiction

[Machito]

Continuous sell.
Poseidon all cheated.

[viralig]

In my opinion, using a torpedo tube for such purposes is a dead end. The size of the payload and the shape of the device will be rigidly tied to the shape of the torpedo cover, inflatable parts - a priori not a payload, except to adjust the depth. In general, the project is stillborn.

[Mouse]

well ... the attempt is not torture ...

[cniza]

And the more attempts, the more likely.

[CommanderDIVA]

An interesting direction for the development of underwater drones

[AVA77]

I don’t know what the Americans are composing, but if the torpedo launcher is loaded with bucks, then it’s not a fact that the use of weapons will not damage the peaceful crew. (I didn’t understand the point, Why hide
one thing to another, if in total they occupy one)

[Old26]

It is 21 inches in diameter (approximately 50 cm), 25 feet (7,6 meters) long.

A masterpiece. In one case "about"although probably every dog ​​knows that 21 inches is 533 mm, and in the other case the exact dimensions

[Gray brother]

You can shock the enemy crew with an inflatable container.

[Operator]

Shooting an underwater drone from a torpedo tube in a container: this means immediately making the drone one-time — it doesn’t swim back into the container itself, let alone the torpedo tube.

The only solution is to transport drones in the space between the light and durable hulls of the submarine, as in the nuclear submarine Belgorod. But the problem is that the United States has all single-hull nuclear submarines.

[cniza]

So the "poor" are suffering ...

[AshiSolo]

There is logic. Create universal torpedo launchers. But KVM, were late.

[The Siberian barber]

The article was probably copied from other sources.

[Kerensky]

Yes, everything is simple. 6-8 TA with drones. Letting go of the drones, they patrol the area. Float in the sun, recharge. For this, they need inflatable wings (surface area). The submarine is reloaded with conventional torpedoes and receives information from drones.

[sir_obs]

Or I didn’t take something or one of the two. What is the meaning of this event? At first they write that the torpedo tube is constrained by the size and immediately offer to shove toppeda into it in a case. For what purpose and why do they need a “sub-caliber” torpedo? Or the author of which confused or incorrectly translated, or to the point he did not reach. Well, or I didn’t take anything, as an option.

[sub307]

Quote: viralig

In general, the project is stillborn.

And does this so-called "project" exist? Using a TA to launch some containers with drones as a payload is a very dubious idea. Just why? Weld into the serial submarine add. a compartment with an airlock chamber with dimensions corresponding to the payload as special means: "drones, paseidons, harpsichords", etc. - a variant long used by both them and us. "On an external sling" you can also "carry ...