Russian Defense Ministry receives a large batch of RZSO Tornado-G and Tornado-S

Russian armory Motovilikhinskiye Zavody, a manufacturer of multiple launch rocket systems, has supplied the Russian Defense Ministry with a batch of new Tornado MLRSs, according to the company's website.

According to a common report, within the framework of the state defense order, Motovilikhinskie Zavody PJSC supplied the missile forces and artillery units of the Russian Armed Forces with a batch of several dozen combat and transport-charging vehicles from the TORNADO-S and Tornado-G complex.

It is noted that the commitments on the supply of "Tornado-S" have already been fully implemented, and combat vehicles equipped with these complexes have already been sent to military units. In turn, the MLRS "Tornado-G" shipped only the first batch of a three-year contract for their supply.

The 300-mm long-range Tornado-S system is a modified version of the Smerch MLRS. Fires at a distance of 120 km and covers an area exceeding 60 Ha. Can fire single rocket projectiles or a full volley of 12 guides.

122-mm MLRS "Tornado-G" - an upgraded version of installations "Grad". A special feature is the increased shooting efficiency, more powerful ammunition, the presence of automated guidance, aiming, topographic targeting and navigation systems. Adopted in 2014 year.

Comments

[Alexey-74]

The main thing that went into the army, Russia has always been famous for MLRS, and the modernized will further strengthen our Ground Forces.

[Thunderbolt]

MLRS "Smerch". It fires at a distance of up to 120 km and covers an area exceeding 60 hectares.

The capabilities of Tornado are impressive.

[For example]

Quote: Thunderbolt

The capabilities of Tornado are impressive.

Mercedes paid off?

[the most important]

Quote: For example

Mercedes paid off?

Did he have a choice?

[free]

Good news.

[voyaka uh]

Is the tornado still without the GOS?
Not very good ...
Even Ukrainians redid the tornado
to Alder, making them controllable by GPS coordinates.

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

Is the tornado still without the GOS?
Not very good ...

Rather, it depends on the tasks assigned. Let us inflict a strike on a fortified area, a concentration of troops, and transportation hubs.
Yes, of course I agree, GOS is needed

[voyaka uh]

The maximum dispersion of missiles will be very large - hundreds of meters (tested in Syria - the Syrians fired volleys at the Golan - missiles scattered very far, except for a general shortage)
Those 60 hectares are 50-70 no more.
It's a pity to waste such large missiles.

[lopvlad]

Quote: voyaka uh

At a maximum of 120 km, the spread of missiles will be very large

this is the usual Tornado and the Tornado-C tens of meters.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: APASUS

Yes, of course I agree, GOS is needed

The seeker is not needed when firing at stationary targets with missiles equipped with GPS correction. To defeat clusters of armored vehicles, cluster warheads are used with, for example, SPBE ... Perhaps in the future it will (or may not be ...) it will be expedient to have ammunition in the arsenal equipped with both (INS + GPS-correction) and GOS " together "...
("fatten", so "fatten"!) But at present (!) time - "it will be too fat"!

[Lopatov]

Quote: APASUS

Yes, of course I agree, GOS is needed

For MLRS at the moment, correction systems on the active part of the trajectory are enough for the eyes. Now, if the range is still increased, then it will be necessary to think about more accurate (and expensive) systems for reducing the dispersion of missiles in a salvo.

[lopvlad]

Quote: voyaka uh

to Alder, making them controllable by GPS coordinates.

it will not fly.

[Lopatov]

Quote: voyaka uh

Is the tornado still without the GOS?

Yes. And also there are no equipment for drilling wells and a bakery. 8)))
Because it is MLRS.

Quote: voyaka uh

Even Ukrainians redid the tornado
to Alder, making them controllable by GPS coordinates.

We are simply not Ukrainians, therefore we are not going to engage in nonsense, we do not need to prepare for active hostilities on other continents, like the Americans.

[voyaka uh]

"Because this is MLRS." ////
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Once thought that mitrallise is cool and forever. But very quickly they disappeared.
The RZSO played an important role, but as a branch of the armed forces (or type of weapons), it is likely to disappear.
There will simply be no unguided missiles, like non-automatic rifles.

[Lopatov]

Quote: voyaka uh

The RZSO played an important role, but as a branch of the armed forces (or type of weapons), it is likely to disappear.

At you Ukrainians ask about the disappearance. 8)))))

Everything is simple to the point of insanity. There are Americans for whom it is very expensive to carry hundreds of thousands of PCs to the other side of the "ball". And there are rams who, forced for the Americans to abandon the MLRS, are taken for the "NATO standard"

Quote: voyaka uh

There will simply be no unguided missiles, like rifles with manual loading.

Yeah ... The tank was first "buried" between WWI and WWII 8))))))

[voyaka uh]

I do not bury rockets. On the contrary, they have a bright future. I bury unguided rockets.
Rifles are not going to disappear either. But they are ALL automatic. And on ALL very soon there will be optics.

[Lopatov]

Quote: voyaka uh

I bury unguided rockets.

Is Israel going to fight in South America and is having trouble supplying a group of troops there?

[voyaka uh]

It's not about supply. You stubbornly do not want to accept that new features (like missile flight control), which today - rather the exception to the rule - will tomorrow become the standard of production.
Your reasoning, if transferred to the 19th century: "you know, cartridges for the Berdan rifle are very expensive and complex - they will load from the barrel with a wad, as they are used to"

[Lopatov]

Quote: voyaka uh

It's not about supply. You stubbornly don't want to accept that new traits

The matter is exclusively in the supply.

Quote: voyaka uh

Your reasoning, if transferred to the 19th century: "you know, cartridges for the Berdan rifle are very expensive and complex - they will load from the barrel with a wad, as they are used to"

Actually, everything is exactly the opposite.
A system that allows you to shoot RS with sufficient accuracy and minimal dispersion is much more complicated. 8))) Here, the installations themselves, and their topographic location systems, and weather station and weather station systems, and an ammunition supply system, and a ballistic radar system .....
This allows you to shoot relatively cheap PCs.
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If you are trying to transfer everything to the rifle, then you are essentially proposing to abandon the machine gun with cheap ammunition in favor of a sniper rifle with expensive ones.

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: Spade

... Everything is just crazy. There are Americans who find it very expensive to carry hundreds of thousands of PCs to the other side of the "ball". And there are rams who, forced for the Americans, take the abandonment of MLRS for a "NATO standard" ...

It's not just about logistics. The first world was positional, the second maneuverable with fronts, front lines.

What will be the third? It is assumed that it will be even more maneuverable and the front lines as such may not be. The complexity of the supply will increase multiple, no one will give hours to conduct artillery preparation with thousands of missiles and shells. BC shot out, curled up and drape from the position until the response fire covered.

This is the great meaning of accurate missiles for MLRS, by the way, in the abbreviation MLRS there is no word "unguided".

For example, reconnaissance (UAV, satellite) revealed the coordinates of the masked enemy unit within the radius of destruction of the Tornado — moved into position, entered coordinates, shot out and escaped. Large rockets should really be expensive and the Glonass targeting system will not greatly increase the cost, by 20 percent, but the effect of the impact will be completely different.

[rocket757]

As long as there are massive, ambitious targets, the MLRS will be effective.
When the density of enemy placement reaches 1 unit. per 1 sq. km Then the MLRS will die off as a class!

[Lopatov]

Quote: rocket757

When the density of enemy placement reaches 1 unit. per 1 sq. km Then the MLRS will die off as a class!

No. There remains the problem of accurately determining the coordinates of the target

[rocket757]

Quote: Spade

There remains the problem of accurately determining the coordinates of the target

Will the flight correction be more precise or will the system itself, where it is not even necessary to aim, find the way?
It’s not a boom to argue, because the option I proposed, one per kilometer, is completely unrealistic for intense military operations! And in catch-ups, MLRS racers do not play!

[Lopatov]

Quote: rocket757

Will the flight correction be more precise or will the system itself, where it is not even necessary to aim, find the way?

For example, you have determined the position of someone else's radar. with the help of electronic intelligence. One goal. But it will not be a point with x, y, h, it will be a rather large areal "error triangle" that must be covered completely. That is, apply the MLRS. Well, or cannon artillery on an area target with conventional ammunition.
You can, of course, investigate. But there will be no time for this if the enemy is adequate. Similarly, with various kinds of ammunition with the rudiments of AI. There is no guarantee that the enemy will not disguise the target ..

[rocket757]

Oh, how technology has progressed from past times
They showed, told me ..... a cunning, mobile electronic intelligence system! so she will depict such a square to you, she will have to cover with a divisive blow.
High mobility + technical tricks greatly strain the enemy and allow you to save your own equipment.
But all the same, this is already real combat operations of fully equipped military units, the "barmaley and partisans" do not have such equipment.

[Lopatov]

Quote: rocket757

But all the same, this is already real combat operations of fully equipped military units, the "barmaley and partisans" do not have such equipment.

There is a forest, there is a radio station discovered there. And the same "triangle of errors" with all that it implies.

[rocket757]

Fixed point of contact, operating. But somehow it is difficult to imagine such a thing, times are different .... except perhaps "partisans in the daytime" as in the old days!
Now, if not complete fools, even though on a moped the radio operator went off to the side, think up kilometers, a quick parquet data exchange and go from the place of transfer!
After all, you don’t need to sit to write, automatic equipment, it will write it down, decryption itself, we can manage to knead, and adjust the percussion instruments? They do not teleport on command.
An option, if fools fell into a prepared fire trap, it happens, but it's rare.
Another option, MOUNTAINS, you can’t ride a moped with just legs and caution! So there the enemy has a lot of problems!
In general, MLRS do not write off in the foreseeable future, for local conflicts, the very thing!
Serious hostilities are difficult to consider, too many variables ..... moreover, a retiree who does not collide and does not have full profile information can only guess, relying on knowledge of the past ...... that is, the accuracy of the predictions is not ah!

[Lopatov]

Quote: rocket757

Serious fighting is difficult to consider

On the contrary, in "serious combat" MLRS will be used much more actively than in low-intensity conflicts. The whole fight against the second echelons on them: remote mining, columns, command posts, units in the areas of concentration and the like. The volume of tasks is enormous.

[rocket757]

The scope of tasks will be but also counteraction too.
Lots of variables! Who will take the air supremacy? What kind of opposition can the adversary have, what intelligence and suppression means does it have?
We can at headquarters and they know, just never everything and everything at once.

[Lopatov]

Quote: AVM

no one will give hours to conduct artillery preparation with thousands of missiles and shells. BC shot out, curled up and drape from the position until the response fire covered.

Does it bother one another? You can spend this artillery preparation not for hours but for weeks. While remaining on the firing no more than one minute 8))))

Quote: AVM

by the way, in the abbreviation MLRS there is no word "uncontrollable".

But there is the word "salvo" And salvo fire with guided munitions is a somewhat inadequate action. Permissible only in very limited cases of long range shooting.

Quote: AVM

Big rockets really have to be expensive and the Glonass targeting system will not greatly increase the cost,

You can still paint the rockets in bright colors, airbrushing, gilding ... In terms of usefulness, this will be similar ...

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: Spade

Quote: AVM

no one will give hours to conduct artillery preparation with thousands of missiles and shells. BC shot out, curled up and drape from the position until the response fire covered.

Does it bother one another? You can spend this artillery preparation not for hours but for weeks. While remaining on the firing no more than one minute 8))))

And who will bring ammunition in columns of trucks?

Quote: Spade

Quote: AVM

by the way, in the abbreviation MLRS there is no word "uncontrollable".

But there is the word "salvo" And salvo fire with guided munitions is a somewhat inadequate action. Permissible only in very limited cases of long range shooting.

Volley concept extensible. If 30 targets are detected and one Grad launches 40 guided missiles in order to cover everything with a guarantee (important goals are often spent on two guided munitions, or even more), that’s the whole volley. And Tornado has all the 12 ammunition. And the presence of Glonass targeting makes them equivalent to the Point-U, which has only one missile on the launcher, and the cost, I am sure, is an order of magnitude greater.

The whole world is moving towards guided munitions, incl. MLRS, and we all try to justify their absence with devices like Hephaestus, supposedly allowing ordinary bombs to be put as controlled. The only question is from what height and with what probability.

By the way, I’m not so much worried about how many Su-57 will buy, how much he will shoot. Again bomb free fall?

Quote: Spade

Quote: AVM

Big rockets really have to be expensive and the Glonass targeting system will not greatly increase the cost,

You can still paint the rockets in bright colors, airbrushing, gilding ... In terms of usefulness, this will be similar ...

Compare the addition of the projectile functions of the WTO and Khokhloma ...
Yes, probably it is not necessary to put Glonass guidance, it is better to sprinkle it with holy water.

[Lopatov]

Quote: AVM

And who will bring ammunition in columns of trucks?

Of course. Together with everything else, food-water-fuel-ammunition ... Just for fun, read about the logistics of the Afghan conflict, you can easily find it on the Web. And what gigantic traffic volumes were needed even in a low-intensity conflict.

Quote: AVM

If 30 targets are found

Then they should be hit by guided weapons as they are discovered. Well, or one volley of unguided missiles

Quote: AVM

The whole world goes on the transition to guided ammunition

There is no "whole world" There are Americans who are forced to abandon MLRS for logistic reasons, and there are stupid sheep who considered it a "new fashion trend" and are ready to throw money down the drain.

Quote: AVM

Compare the shell's addition of WTO functions and Khokhloma ..

I will repeat myself. There is a machine gun with a cheap cartridge. There is a sniper rifle with an expensive cartridge. Are you suggesting what? Should we refuse a machine gun or beat it with expensive "sniper" guns?

[Nikolaevich I]

To consider ammunition for MLRS "Smerch" uncontrollable is a delusion! All tornado missiles are equipped with a simple inertial stabilization system. The missile is controlled in flight by yaw and pitch ... Recently, a guided missile with GLONASS correction (GPS correction) with a range of up to 200 km has been developed for the Smerch MLRS ... The ammunition was tested, but I have no information that it was accepted into service and produced. Most likely, the situation is familiar to Russia, which has already become "traditional": the ammunition is ready, but there is no money to buy, or the Ministry of Defense does not care ...

[hydrox]

MLRS - a weapons of mass destruction, working not by coordinates, but by area, so it should be fast and cheap.
Smart people from guns on sparrows do not scorch ...

[5-9]

What side does the ZhPS relate to GOS?
Tornado - it’s just the filling with GOS - SPBE is .... Ukrainians already know what it is.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

- BRC3. The 300 mm caliber missile is equipped with a cluster warhead and can carry various types of combat loads. Flight range - to 70 km;
- BRC4. Similar to the ammunition caliber 300 mm with a cassette warhead. It differs from BRC3 by a more powerful engine, which provides a range from 20 to 130 km;
- BRE2. 300-mm missile with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead. In its size and characteristics similar to the product BRC4;
- BRE3. Guided (with a target targeting system) 300 caliber missile. Carries high-explosive fragmentation warhead and can hit targets at ranges up to 130 km;
- Fire Dragon 140A. Guided munitions with a range of up to 140 km. It was presented relatively recently. It is probably a further development of the previous family of rockets;
- BRE6. Another guided missile with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead. It has a caliber 370 mm and can fly a distance from 100 to 220 km;
(taken from the same site) https://topwar.ru/71984-reaktivnaya-sistema-zalpovogo-ognya-norinco-ar3-kitay.html Just leave here for comparison

[Meliodous]

Or maybe someone knows how things are with Hurricane 1m?
And then they write about the tornado, but about this complex it is stably silent

[bk316]

Look at what a simulacrum is. An article about a large party. Not about developing something new.
Success., Good news. And then a man (from a well-known country) appears who brings the discussion to another topic, namely the topic of new developments.
And now attention!
If the article was on the topic of new developments, then a character would appear who wrote and where is the series?

The result is all gone! This is called a simulacrum - changing the topic of discussion in order to divert the conversation in the right direction.