Stories about weapons. Strange SAU SU-100Y

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Yes, not always the participants of our narratives were released in thousands of parties and therefore are known to all, or at least, to the masses. Many of these objects do not survive to this day, which in itself is an omission.

Today we will tell you about the self-propelled gun, which, fortunately for us, can be seen in Kubinka. In the exposition of the Military-historical Museum of Armored Weapons and Equipment. The vehicle, which is often confused with a tank KV-2. Moreover, it was this machine that defended Moscow in 1941. But information about the military route, exploits, and other merit has been lost.





Experimental SAU, which was the SU-100Y, by the beginning of the war was almost a museum exhibit. Yes, not having time to Finnish, the self-propelled gun released in one copy was transferred to Kubinka. There was no museum there at that time, but there was a research range for armored troops.

And then the war itself came to the self-propelled gun. And the SU-100Y went to the front in the literal sense. It was enlisted in the self-propelled artillery special purpose division and fought.

The latest reliable information about the combat use of this machine is the same as that of many soldiers. "I took positions in the area of ​​the Kubinka station and fired at the enemy from closed positions."

Stories about weapons. Strange SAU SU-100Y


So, today we will tell you about the SU-100Y. About a self-propelled gun that surprises most of those who learn its history. Not foreigners - Russians!

100 - not the caliber, but the chassis!


Let's start to amaze you. The name of the ACS that you read is completely untrue, but nonetheless exists. The machine is really called SU-100Y. Not Y, namely Y. SU-100 yummy! But that's not all. The 100 figure is not the caliber of a gun, as was customary at that time! This is the chassis!

So, SU-100Y was created on the basis of the T-100 tank. This is the fruit of competition (this word sounds strange in a story about the Stalin period of the USSR) tank KB.

When we wrote about the tests of Soviet heavy tanks during the 1940 winter campaign, the T-100 was among the three experimental vehicles. The tank was created, with great probability, precisely for action in the marshland. Many consider the length of the case to be the disadvantage of this machine.



Let's think about it. T-100 could pass where similar machines just stuck in the mud, in the swamps, in small rivers. The length of the body provides such a cross and speed. But she, the length of the car, played a negative role. The tank could not compete with other subjects in maneuverability. Here you can argue that more important.

But the main drawback of the T-100 was the engine. Carburetor GAM-34 ("mundane" version of AM-34, which was put, for example, on TB-3) which required expensive aviation fuel, in all respects lost to the KV diesel engine. The Soviet tank should be repaired "on the knee", and here is a machine that required engineers.

In short, engineers, designers, military could not say with certainty which tank we needed. KV and T-100 were questionable. And this gave hope to the tank design bureau for the production of their cars.

Exactly such sentiments were in factory number 185, where the T-100 was developed. And then there's the task personally from the head of the GABTU RKKA, D. Pavlov. The fact is that already at the beginning of the Soviet-Finnish war, the Red Army was faced with the problem of the lack of engineering machines.

Hence the demand of the Military Council of the North-Western Front for the creation of a special engineering tank (mid-December 1939). The order was sent to the factory number 185. Work has begun to boil.

At the end of 1939, using the T-100 base, the T-100Z tank was developed with an X-NUMX-mm caliber M-10 howitzer installed in the main turret and an engineer tank with an anti-sparring armor.

The T-100Z is the machine that commander Kulik actively promoted. And an engineering tank was intended for the construction of bridges, transportation of sappers and explosives, as well as evacuation of damaged tanks from the battlefield.

But then from the troops began to come demands about the need for a machine capable of hacking engineering fortifications of the enemy. Need howitzers or large-caliber guns that could destroy the bunkers and fortified areas. And howitzers were not in priority.

And after three weeks, the task of D. Pavlov appeared. Create on the basis of the tank T-100 tank or self-propelled gun of large caliber! The head of the GABTU Red Army demanded to put on the T-100 chassis 152-mm cannon or a gun of another caliber with high initial speeds, which will break the fortifications of the Finns.

KB plant number 185 could not dissipate the forces on the design of several machines at once. Therefore, the plant director N. Barykov was forced to apply to the Military Council of the North-Western Front with a request to cancel the December order. In early January 1940, this decision was made.

Describing the history of the creation of a sufficiently large number of vehicles and weapons of the Red Army of that time, one is struck by the ability of managers to make decisions and take responsibility for themselves. After all, under the pressure of democratic propaganda, we had a stable opinion that the majority of decisions were made at the highest level, and the initiative of any plan was punishable.

We, precisely from these positions, cannot understand the shooting of General Pavlov in 1941. We can not understand much. Fulfilled the order. So the fault is the one who gave this order or did not give. And then, in 40, it wasn't like that.

How else to explain the decision of N. Barykov, just the plant director, to develop a new tank? Even before the approval of his request to cancel the order of the Military Council of the front! Agree, to create a new tank in a week is not realistic. But it is today. And then it was real.

Documentation on the new machine was transferred to Izhora plant already 8 (!) January 1940 of the year. So, designed and created by their own decision! Or (as an option, we did not agree) the shock group of engineers and designers in the shortest possible time reworked existing projects. The new car was named T-100 X.

Then another confirmation of the independence of the leaders of that time. The armor case at the Izhora plant was created by February 14. Initially, it was planned to install a naval tower with an X-NUMX-mm B-130 cannon on the tank chassis. But the car turned out technologically complex.

Designers of the plant created their own cutting. More simple and technological. Although they left a huge height for the tank. The machine with the new wheelhouse received a new name T-100Y. True car from the tank turned into SU. The new house was still.

Even the Kirov factory was noted when creating this machine. The fact is that the maritime cabin had a corresponding reservation. And that means a lot of weight. It was necessary to strengthen the suspension. This is exactly what they were doing at Kirovsky. They created a new torsion bar suspension. And again in the shortest possible time.

And here again the head of the GABTU RKKA Pavlov intervened in the work.

At a meeting of designers and factory directors, he proposed further strengthen the new machine in terms of weapons. Install an 203-mm caliber cannon or howitzer on the ACS. Even the name for the new car was ready T-100V. However, the project did not meet the enthusiasm of the designers and was not implemented.

Advantages and disadvantages of SU-100Y


From the shop new SU-100Y left 14 March 1940 of the year. And almost immediately was sent to the front for military trials. And then the unexpected happened. It turned out that the delivery of such a machine is also a problem. The car is very high. After cutting made to the height of a man!

In short, the war SU-100Y did not have time. So to call the shooting of Finnish fortifications for the sample participation in the war is problematic. But SU-100Y regularly destroyed everything that was provided as targets.

However, even such not entirely complete tests revealed, as it should be, the merits and demerits of SU-100Y. The gun had excellent armor penetration and accuracy. Shells had a high armor ’action. Preserved and high permeability of the T-100. In general, the car for its class is interesting. Tenacious.

However, low maneuverability and limited mobility were noted. The car went well ahead (32 km / h on the highway and 12 km / h over rough terrain), but crawled on a reverse gear like a turtle (4 km / h).

To the shortcomings of the gun, the military attributed the small angles of vertical and horizontal guidance.

In addition, it is noted that the gun ammunition is not sufficiently protected. Yes, and loading guns takes time. But most importantly, the size of the ACS, especially its height, made its use in the first and even second echelons problematic.

So ended the story of a single car, which then defended Moscow.

Experimental tank, experimental machine. But, in contrast to the T-100, miraculously preserved after many historical troubles.

And now we will look at SU. Watch, feel, pull and tell.

Let's start with the case. Almost completely copied from T-100. Reservations on a circle 60 mm. The bottom and the roof of the hull armored worse - 20 mm. On the roof of the hull in the area of ​​the engine compartment and in the stern there are repair hatches. At the bottom of the hatch for the evacuation of the crew.

The cabin is completely closed, all-welded. Bronelistov thick 60 mm. Steel armor rolled.

Management department also corresponds to T-100. The driver's seat and dashboard are located in the center of the control compartment in the forward part of the hull.

Radio communication was provided by 71-TK-3 radio station with a whip antenna. For communication of crew members, TPU-6 was used.

We turn to the weapons. So, the gun B-13 IIc. Marine, was used on leaders, destroyers and coastal batteries. Caliber 130-mm. The length of the barrel 55 calibers. The initial velocity of the projectile over 800 m / s. 10-12 rate of fire per minute. The firing range is about 20 km.

True, this gun has one, but significant, advantage over similar tools. She used two types of shells. Armor-piercing PB-XNUMHA were the main projectiles of this gun.

But these were shells of a naval gun, designed to destroy ships, which have a completely different principle of booking. So it is not surprising that the B-13 projectiles pierced almost any enemy armor and its engineering structures.

The second type of projectile is not less effective. This is PF-46. The high-explosive fragmentation action of the projectile is provided by a decent amount of explosives - 2,5 kg. For comparison, the X-NUMX-mm land D-122T has a charge weighing 25 grams. 160 projectile weight kg. Ammunition 36 shells and powder charges to them.

To combat the enemy's infantry, the ACS is equipped with three 7,62-mm DT machine guns. Machine guns are located on the sides of the machine and in the stern. The total ammunition 1890 machine guns ammunition.

The proximity of the SU-100Y to the sea emphasizes not only the gun, but also the engine. Exactly the same GAM-34 was installed on torpedo boats G-5. Power 890 hp Allowed, as we have said, to develop good speed for such a heavy car, but it required precise maintenance and tuning, and good gasoline.

Starter CT-70, hp power 15 was used for engine start. The same engine could be started using compressed air (this remained from the aviation essence of the engine).

The fuel was placed in four aluminum tanks with a total capacity of 1270 liters. This amount of gas provided mileage 210 kilometers on a paved road. Over rough terrain SU could go 50-70 kilometers.

The transmission includes a five-speed three-way gearbox. The box provides five speeds forward and one back.

Chassis fully borrowed from the T-100. Same 8 track rollers on each side. The same external depreciation. The same five supporting rollers. Front-down sloth, drive wheel in rear. Caterpillar finely ground, tsevochnogo gearing.

Well, traditional TTX heroine material:

Combat weight: 64 t
Crew: 6 people

Shell length: 10 900 mm
Case width: 3 400 mm
Height: 3 290 mm

Armament:
- 130-mm gun B-13-IIс
- 7,62-mm machine gun DT - 3 pcs.

Ammunition:
- gun - 30 shots;
- Machine guns - 1880 cartridges.

Engine:
Carburetor, 12-cylinder, V-shaped, 4-stroke, liquid cooling GAM-34BT (GAM-34), power 890 hp

Highway speed: 32 km / h
Cross-country speed: 12 km / h
Cruising (highway / rough terrain): 120 / 60 km

Overcoming ford: 1,25 m
Gradeability: 42 °
Breaking wall: 1,3 m
Overcoming ditch: 4 m.
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  1. +2
    April 20 2019 05: 10
    But more powerful than the Tiger cannon! The engine would be smart, and the losses during Prokhorovka would be different!
    1. +7
      April 20 2019 06: 38
      Quote: Theodore
      But more powerful than the Tiger cannon! The engine would be smart

      Unfortunately, the V-12 engine was developed later, although work on it began around this time. It was the first serialIn addition to the above-mentioned serial models, several experimental modifications were also developed for heavy tanks, for example, the V-700SF, boosted in speed to 2 hp, and the V-2SN with a centrifugal superchargerruen from the AM-38 aircraft engine. The V-2SN developed power up to 850 hp and was tested on the IS-3 tank. Subsequently, the 750-horsepower V-12 with a supercharger from the AM-38F, the first serial with supercharging, was developed and tested. tank diesel with a supercharger, initially from the AM-38 engine, went into production with the AM-42 supercharger. "In 1945-1946, under the leadership of Ya. Vihman, the V-75 engine intended for the IS-12 tank was finalized in SKB-4 (engine design bureau at ChTZ). [11] From 1949 to 1950, a 10-horsepower V-700-12 (A-5) engine was developed for another heavy tank, the T-5, which, in particular, used a supercharger from the AM-42, some of the innovations of which were used in 1950 when upgrading the engine to the V-12M" "DOMESTIC ARMORED VEHICLES 1945-1965"
    2. + 15
      April 20 2019 11: 30
      Quote: Theodore
      But more powerful than the Tiger cannon! The engine would be smart, and the losses during Prokhorovka would be different!

      The survivability of this gun, if memory serves, is in the region of 150 rounds. 3 battles and change the trunk.
      Plus this shed is 3.3 meters high. Almost a meter higher than the thirty-four, 70 cm higher than the IS-2, 60 than the Pershing, 40 than the Tiger, and 20 than the second Tiger. Only the forehead here is not at all like the Tiger. And the corners are far from the thirty-four. And all the German zoo of the summer of 43, except for the troika, this miracle can be taken from almost any distance. And the N-series troika is quite capable of throwing up a surprise. And at Prokhorovka these coffins would have burned, more than light tanks. At least it is harder to hit those.
      In 41 frontal 60 would still steer. But at 43, this is about nothing. And there are no advantages over the SU-122, which is much cheaper, maneuverable and half as much, as it is imperceptible. About St. John's Wort generally silent. 64 tons of pancake, this is the weight of Ferdinand. That's only the last forehead 200, not 60.
      1. +5
        April 20 2019 11: 57
        And there are no advantages over the SU -122, which is much cheaper, maneuverable and half as much, as it is imperceptible .... 64 tonnes pancake

        It breaks all the bridges))) At the 185th plant, only UTBs and they could- monsters make cities. Since the 30s, not one of their projects has reached the series. Therefore, it was closed in the same 40th.
    3. 0
      April 22 2019 14: 18
      Carburetor GAM-34 (a “mundane” version of AM-34, which was put, for example, on the TB-3) which required expensive aviation fuel,

      not at all, a mixture of gasoline and alcohol, this engine was on the small hunters "MO", as many as 3 pieces on each
      more details in the book "Domestic aircraft piston engines. 1910-2009"
  2. sen
    +2
    April 20 2019 05: 25
    It was better to take the chopping scheme, as with most of our self-propelled guns. Weight would be less and dimensions. Such self-propelled guns were not enough in 1943.
    1. +9
      April 20 2019 06: 33
      Quote: sen
      It was better to take the chopping scheme, as with most of our self-propelled guns.

      She is already chopped.
      And in a smaller size, a marine gun of a similar caliber was simply not to fit. Plus ammunition. The fleet has its own dimensions. It's not a howitzer, it's a long-barreled gun. It is also necessary to balance it.
      For example, the SU-100 (there is also a sea gun there, by the way), although it turned out low, it always suffered greatly from the congestion of the front rollers.
      1. +3
        April 20 2019 09: 15
        Maybe he meant that the gun in this self-propelled gun was placed on a pedestal, and not mounted on the frontal sheet, as in the same SU-100? And already around the gun was built cutting.
        In theory, if you do as in the SU-100, then you could cut and shrink, and make the aiming angles wider.
        1. +4
          April 20 2019 12: 12
          Better aft placement for this pillar.
      2. 0
        April 22 2019 14: 50
        Quote: Kuroneko
        it's a long barrel gun
        55 calibers by the standards of artillery VET does not say long-barreled
  3. +7
    April 20 2019 05: 49
    So, the gun B-13 IIs. Marine, used on leaders, destroyers and coastal batteries. Caliber 130 mm. Barrel length 55 calibers. The initial velocity of the projectile over 800 m / s. Rate of fire 10-12 rounds per minute. Firing range of about 20 km.

    This is precisely why the SU-100Y in World of Tanks bears the unofficial nickname "Destroyer". ^ _ ^
    And yes, of course, I have in the hangar. There was no way to go past this.
    1. +2
      April 20 2019 09: 43
      laughing My son told me that this car is called Igor there ...
      1. 0
        April 20 2019 15: 47
        Now it is possible. But he used to be a destroyer. It's just that before, many people who knew the history of military equipment played in tanks, but now they mostly rolled into ships (I myself scored on tanks and also now in ships). And the new wave of "tankers" already have their own associations.
        1. +1
          April 20 2019 23: 59
          ndya .. neither there nor there was .. probably backward ..
          1. +2
            April 25 2019 21: 30
            Quote: 2 level advisor
            ndya .. neither there nor there was .. probably backward ..

            Tanks, boats, planes, shooters, etc. ..... Perhaps those who lacked adrenaline in real life. Knights keyboard and mouse. Well, maybe with rare exceptions ....
  4. 0
    April 20 2019 06: 02
    in the view from the side it reminds me of something
  5. +8
    April 20 2019 06: 03
    The authors - great respect for this SPG! I didn't know about the SU-100Y! (at least - I don't remember "reliably"!...). As they say... "live and learn!" And lately, we've learned a lot of new things for ourselves, thanks to Roman and other authors! hi
    Everyone will take my words in their own way, but I consider the use of experimental self-propelled guns to be a special page in the history of the defense of Moscow! After all, the "no less interesting" SAU-14 (203 mm) and SAU-14-1 (152 mm) were also used at that time... And take "the same" KV-2! No matter how they called it a tank, but, in fact, it was a self-propelled gun! So the Red Army of that time had "anti-tiger" guns... "in principle"!
    1. +8
      April 20 2019 06: 15
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      After all, then the "no less interesting" SAU-14 (203-mm) and SAU-14-1 (152 mm) were also used ...

      Not this way.
      SU-14, SU-14-1 (203-mm) and SU-14-Br-2 (152-mm). All based on a heavy tank T-35.


      1. +4
        April 20 2019 06: 18
        Thank you for the amendment! hi I’m "from memory" ... winked could well be mistaken in this case ... feel
      2. +3
        April 20 2019 09: 45
        Quote: Kuroneko
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        After all, then the "no less interesting" SAU-14 (203-mm) and SAU-14-1 (152 mm) were also used ...

        Not this way.
        SU-14, SU-14-1 (203-mm) and SU-14-Br-2 (152-mm). All based on a heavy tank T-35.


        All three cars fought under the Kubinka as part of the same division. Just together with Igorkom and fought
        1. +7
          April 20 2019 10: 50
          Quote: domokl
          All three cars fought near Kubinka as part of one division.

          SU-14-Br-2 to this day in Kubinka stands, by the way.
          1. +2
            April 21 2019 00: 29
            When I first saw it in Kubinka, I inadvertently blurted out "Oh, a refrigerator!" Many people turned to look at me and my son with understanding and a smile! ))))
        2. +1
          April 20 2019 11: 37
          All three cars fought near Kubinka as part of the same division.
          ,, here it is interesting, but there is more detailed information that all three copies took part in the hostilities?
        3. +2
          April 20 2019 15: 07
          more precisely, not near Kubinka, but specifically from Kubinka, from the firing range they fired, if memory serves, as stationary, more about the SU-14 - *Armor collection* number 2 - *T-35 tank*
          1. 0
            April 20 2019 19: 26
            Sergey, I saw on the website that there has been an artillery range near St. Petersburg since pre-revolutionary times. In the Second World War, there was a fashionable weapon on it and Germans were fired from a firing range
            1. +2
              April 21 2019 00: 14
              Quote: Astra wild
              Sergey, I saw on the website that there has been an artillery range near St. Petersburg since pre-revolutionary times. In the Second World War, there was a fashionable weapon on it and Germans were fired from a firing range

              Rzhev Marine Artillery Range. Rzhev artillery range (NIMAP - scientific-test marine artillery range, 19th test range of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation).
              https://fotosergs.livejournal.com/77935.html
              The polygon has many outstanding monuments of Russian military engineering thought, among which there are undeservedly forgotten and, moreover, not protected from destruction. These include unique artillery mounts of 305 and 406 mm caliber, produced in the first half of the XNUMXth century to arm the largest warships of that time - the battleships of the Sevastopol, Empress Maria and Sovetsky Soyuz type. During the war years, these and other guns of the training ground actively participated in the defense of Leningrad.
              http://nimap.goss.ru/

              Initially, the tactical and technical characteristics of the B-37 gun were as follows: projectile weight - 1105 kg, initial projectile speed - 870 m / s, firing range - 49,8 km, vertical guidance angle - 45 degrees, pressure in the bore - 3200 kg / cm2. According to the requirements of the technical specifications, the armor-piercing projectile of this gun at a distance of 13,6 kilometers was to penetrate armor 406 mm thick at an angle of 25 degrees from normal
              https://topwar.ru/106184-406-mm-pushka-b-37-car-pushka-baltiyskogo-flota.html
            2. 0
              April 22 2019 06: 03
              By the beginning of the war, at the Leningrad art range there were about 30 naval guns of 100-406 mm, both experimental and serial, after the start of the war they were brought to batteries and provided with ammunition, and the 406 mm guns were reserved for the landfill, there were air defense facilities as regular ones, both experienced and the only one instance of a 37-mm quadruple machine gun for cruisers of the * Kronstadt * type, this gun was first fired from the firing range, and then it was put on the battleship * October Revolution *, the LAP had a 152-mm B-38 gun for cruisers of project 68 , another 10 of these guns were put on the rail latformy, all these guns fired at the Nazis
    2. 0
      26 June 2019 18: 46
      Well, do not confuse soft with sour. KV-2, as well as SU-122 were designed to destroy fortifications and field structures and are accordingly armed with howitzers.
      Unlike the "Tiger", the bunker never crawls across the battlefield, plus the rate of fire and accuracy - the firing point is unlikely to have a long-barreled anti-tank gun with a firing angle of 360 degrees))
      So neither the KV-2 nor the SU-122 are suitable for the title of "St. John's Wort". The SU-152 is more suitable. But even she is an assault SPG. The SU-100 is another matter. This is the answer to "Tigers".
  6. +1
    April 20 2019 06: 11
    "This is the fruit of competition (this word sounds strange in a story about the Stalinist period of the USSR) tank design bureaus."

    And for aviation design bureaus? When in the framework of one task they give an order of several KB?
  7. +1
    April 20 2019 06: 12
    Here, really, is an interesting article! Hats off, read inside and out ...
  8. +4
    April 20 2019 07: 10
    The second type of projectile is no less effective. This is OF-46. High-explosive fragmentation of the projectile is provided by a decent amount of explosives - 2,5 kg. For comparison, the 122-mm land D-25T shell has a charge weighing 160 grams.

    The 130mm OF-46 has a 3.6kg explosive charge, and the 122mm OF shell has the same filling weight.
    1. +5
      April 20 2019 08: 57
      That's right. And 160 grams is the amount of explosives in a 122-mm armor-piercing projectile (more precisely, 156 grams).
      1. 0
        April 20 2019 11: 12
        Quote: CTABEP
        That's right. And 160 grams is the amount of explosives in a 122-mm armor-piercing projectile (more precisely, 156 grams).

  9. +1
    April 20 2019 11: 22
    Somewhere in the corner the Yagdtiger cried ... Only 2mm, but the Russians have more and 4 years earlier.
  10. 0
    April 20 2019 13: 07
    Looks like a jagdtiger.
  11. Alf
    +4
    April 20 2019 18: 46
    For comparison, the 122-mm land D-25T shell has a charge weighing 160 grams.

    Dear authors! At least sometimes you look at Shirokorad when you write such garbage.
    1. 0
      April 28 2019 08: 07
      In general, 130 mm guns with a barrel length of 50 calibers and a projectile weight of 33,5 kg were mounted on destroyers.
      A gun with a barrel length of 55 calibers and a projectile mass of 36 kilograms was installed on cruisers of the Svetlana type. It turned out to be rather heavy for destroyers.
  12. +1
    April 20 2019 19: 16
    Quote: anzar
    And there are no advantages over the SU -122, which is much cheaper, maneuverable and half as much, as it is imperceptible .... 64 tonnes pancake

    It breaks all the bridges))) At the 185th plant, only UTBs and they could- monsters make cities. Since the 30s, not one of their projects has reached the series. Therefore, it was closed in the same 40th.

    And they did the right thing: ate they are not able to bring ANYTHING out of their own developments to the mind!
  13. 0
    April 20 2019 22: 40
    The author is well done.
    An interesting self-propelled gun, in Kubinka in 2008 I saw next to it such a self-propelled gun:
    1. 0
      April 28 2019 08: 04
      Su-14-Br-2
  14. +1
    April 21 2019 11: 04
    .... article +! ..... interesting ....