Kontraktniki in the phase of filtration. Defense Ministry gets rid of personnel ballast

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Kontraktniki in the phase of filtration. Defense Ministry gets rid of personnel ballastCompetition in the selection of contract soldiers in the army becomes a reality. For the first time in the post-Soviet stories in the Russian army, so-called survival tests were introduced for military professionals already undergoing military service. At least 10% of the number of inspected contract servicemen did not wish to pass the tests or were not tested for health.

According to official sources of the Ministry of Defense, this is a serious test for soldiers and sergeants, who must be tested in the selection process. tanksto make a march-throw of 50 km over rough terrain, equipping the night with our own forces, making fire without matches, extracting and filtering water using improvised means, etc. During the tests, a significant personnel ballast was found.

For example, only in the troops of the Southern Military District (Southeast Military District), about a thousand soldiers and sergeants were identified who did not pass the test. According to the press service of the Southern Military District, during the six-week intensive combat training, where extreme forms of vital activity of the military personnel were tested, part of the personnel in the early days was eliminated by military medical commissions for health reasons. Others did not express a desire to take a "survival course," writing reports with a refusal. For the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, this is very important and necessary information, which to a certain extent shows the capacity of the troops, since contract soldiers, according to official figures, today constitute a significant stratum - 18% of the regular army strength and fleet. According to one of the first decrees of President Vladimir Putin of May 7, 2012, the share of contract soldiers this year should be increased by 50 thousand people. That is, by the beginning of 2013, every fourth member of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will be a professional. And the total share of contract service officers, soldiers and sergeants will be almost 50% of the RF Armed Forces by this date.

So far, the military leadership has stated such plans with confidence. Although the economic crisis, apparently, these plans may correct. If the military budget, which constitutes 3,1% of the country's GDP, is subject to sequestration, then, according to sources from the Ministry of Defense, it will primarily affect the quantitative indicators of the recruitment plan for the troops of contract soldiers. To replace them in regular cells, recruits are, of course, already “hammered”. One way or another, this autumn the Main Organizational-Mobilization Directorate (GOMU) of the General Staff plans to almost double the number of young men drafted into the troops (up to 280 thousand). This should happen, sources believe in GOMU, by increasing the stratum of undergraduate and graduate students who study at state-owned universities that do not have state accreditation, as well as by possible changes in legislation (the adoption of a package of amendments to the State Duma Act service ", which should significantly increase the call-up layer among the young people of the country). “Increasing the quality indicators of soldiers and sergeants who perform military service under the contract is an important and responsible task of the Ministry of Defense. It is very correct that the troops are now beginning to use the experience of the Soviet army. There, classes on enhancing the moral and psychological stability and physical endurance of the personnel were regular and held twice a year, ”says Lt. Gen. Yuri Netkachev, who at the end of 90 as deputy commander of the Group of Russian Forces in the Transcaucasus was in charge of combat training of military personnel. In his opinion, such survival tests should be organized not only with contract soldiers, but with all the personnel of the army and navy, including officers, warrant officers and conscripts. Before that, he thinks conscripts sent to the troops should in the civilian undergo elementary military training and have an accounting military specialty, which they should receive in the DOSAAF school.
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  1. Messerschmitt
    +14
    24 June 2012 06: 44
    We arranged for the contractors: three were hospitalized. They are not accustomed to physically exert themselves!
    1. bachast
      -17
      24 June 2012 07: 17
      They are not accustomed to physically exert themselves!

      Is that what you described as contractors? What nonsense
      1. 0
        24 June 2012 21: 06
        Quote: bachast
        Is that what you described as contractors? What nonsense

        Immediately obvious - did not serve!
        1. bachast
          0
          25 June 2012 05: 31
          I’m the only one here who knows what contract service is. None of those present said that he was a contractor and where he served. There are none of these! So you and your conclusions are likened to gossip grandmothers. Men don’t behave like that. you will clap your hands on some Pskov paratroopers or a soldier of the internal troops, a hero of Russia, a contract soldier who died in the Caucasus, or a marine sailing in Syria .... You insulted them all here and did it for their eyes, but not in their eyes.
          But with this logic, you don’t agree that Russian drunks, savages, according to the West, and Caucasians simply call Russians in the army SUKHERS, so you are the first sucker, according to your logic
    2. Neighbor
      +22
      24 June 2012 08: 46
      Quote: Messerschmitt
      They are not accustomed to physically exert themselves!

      One works with me. Former. He served in the GRU for 5 years on the contract - then left - when there were still 15.000 salaries. Now the hair on ...... is tearing. Wanted back - not a fig. Almost through Moscow only.
      So the point is - lazy, and overweight - at 29 years old - belly like a woman at 6 months. I’m not accustomed to physical work, to work at all. The only thing that can do this is to eat lunch 5 times a day. I’m used to it - climb on bedside tables at conscripts.
      I am not saying that all Contractors are SUCH. But here - 1 - Exactly. And where there is one, there is a thousand.
      Therefore - taking into account their well-intentioned salaries - Kotrol, selection and screening - MUST BE. Moreover - strict.
      1. thatupac
        0
        24 June 2012 12: 05
        Contractors in the Army are now chasing Laf at the expense of conscripts. But if the unit is fully contracted, as in the 46th brigade of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, then everything begins, as well as the handcuffs. Whoever signed the contract before, who is older, who is stronger in the group, rules the ball. and others serve. Just like in an emergency. Only for a lot of money, if they are not taken away, and for 3 years. Doubtful pleasure.
      2. +4
        24 June 2012 12: 12
        Absolutely right. You have to work out your money. Personally, nobody brings them to me on a platter.
    3. FiremanRS
      +4
      24 June 2012 11: 13
      Well, that’s right! For free, our people are greedy! And in the form in which our troops were the last 15-20 years, better than a freebie and you can imagine! They correctly decided to get rid of the ballast, and the decision to call up the already trained children on the basis of DOSAAF is long overdue. When I was drafted in the 96th, this was probably the last normal call, although there were enough drug people and goners in it. Further it was just painful to look at the guys who were taken to the army with a lack of weight, in order to feed at least dystrophics in the army .... The guys who were dumb at every turn. And not because they are initially stupid, but because they had no idea what and how to do. Although nothing complicated is required ..... So the initial military training-to the masses !!!!!!! Do we guys, in the end, or just knock on the keys in offices?
      1. thatupac
        -9
        24 June 2012 12: 07
        Dystrophics go to the Army because they mow down by weight. And then, when this does not fail in the draft committee, such people come and get crazy from the same athletic and well-fed Caucasians and Buryats. Stupid? A couple of bream and moose - and so quickly removed from the parking brake and stops thumping the brakes. It would be a desire. Who needs this military training? Only desperate patriots, who in the country, in fact, can only be counted on the fingers.
        1. FiremanRS
          +6
          24 June 2012 13: 39
          Everybody needs training, so that later on training grenade throwing officers do not have to cover up the rogues !!!!! You, dear yourself, grabbed and handed out moose, why are you talking about it so calmly and confidently ??? I myself know what it is like by the charter and by the word "grandfather", there are pluses and minuses everywhere. However, handing out plops only because a person has never seen anything more difficult than a shovel in his life or did not lift a joystick heavier than it is absolutely stupid, not to mention the zero pedagogical effect! And in terms of dystrophies, I can say with confidence not from an easy life, they became so !!!!! Especially if we talk about the dashing 90s. Now everything is much better ...
          1. thatupac
            -3
            24 June 2012 13: 58
            That’s all nonsense. I’ve found a grenade myself and I know that it’s not a matter of physics, but nervousness and fear of doing something wrong. There are no people who haven’t seen harder shovels and haven’t lifted a heavier joystick. And there are people who put a bolt with an appliance on everything. But for such a contingent a couple of moose - just right. Dystrophics, I repeat again, appear consciously in the Army. Mow by weight. And the 90's in dystrophism has nothing to do with it. But the fact that the general condition of the draftees is a little satisfactory is yes.
        2. +2
          24 June 2012 14: 34
          thatupac More than two thousand hours are allotted in the curriculum of the high school of the peace-loving Poland NWP ..... like? Or did our patriots get there and make a diversion there? So who needs this training there. and?
          1. thatupac
            -2
            24 June 2012 15: 17
            Poland is part of NATO, and therefor nothing is threatening it. Pure stupidity of psheks. It would be better to pay more attention to other objects there.
  2. CC-18a
    +11
    24 June 2012 06: 49
    According to official sources of the Ministry of Defense, this is a serious test for soldiers and sergeants, who must pass tank break-in during the selection process, make a 50-km march over rough terrain, equip their own forces for the night, make fire without matches, produce and filter water using improvised means, etc.

    Wow O_O
    I somehow don’t even believe ... too much a test. No, it’s good if all this is true, I am the current behind both arms and legs. But it’s just technically all the contracts to test for a long time and costly.

    If everything is true, then you can congratulate Russia on the acquisition of a professional standing army, still young. Although there were so many shouts about the contract soldiers that they were not needed, that everything should be left as it was in the USSR. The history of inexorable showed that the course set earlier for the drugs of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is correct.
    1. bachast
      +8
      24 June 2012 07: 24
      And what's so "too" serious that it's hard to believe? This should be the norm, especially for units of constant combat readiness. The 50 km march does not imply a cross-similar one when passing on the maroon beret. For a normal person who regularly engages in combat training. and marching and getting water with a fire should be a regular part
  3. +5
    24 June 2012 07: 09
    said Lieutenant General Yuri Netkachev, who at the end of the 90's as deputy commander of the Group of Russian Forces in the Caucasus was responsible for combat training of military personnel. In his opinion, such survival tests should be organized not only with contract soldiers, but with all personnel of the army and navy, including officers, warrant officers and conscripted soldiers. Before that, he believes drafteessent to the troops must undergo basic military training in civilian life and have an accounting military specialty, which should be received at the DOSAAF school.


    Holy words!
    But desire is not an indicator yet!
    We all understand everything, they beautifully present it, - BUT DO NOT DO ANYTHING!
    Let's hope that in this case there will be a pleasant exception
    First thing! - then the words!
  4. Rascopov
    +7
    24 June 2012 07: 34
    = bachast] Is that what you described as contract soldiers? What nonsense

    So there are different contractors - far from all special forces, there are also zavskladas and just protection of objects, etc. !
    1. bachast
      -4
      24 June 2012 07: 41
      Are you coming in from two nicknames? Here are these children's answers about different contractors, leave for Messerschmitt, for one answer which category of contractors in your opinion is lazy or not used to strain? So that your answer looks like the answer
      (I hope it’s clear which units are discussed in the article? Do you think the tests are entirely staff and take-away? There will be no such demand from the GSM officer) and the physical guard is on guard. and combat training was not canceled
      1. thatupac
        +4
        24 June 2012 12: 13
        It seems to me that you are protectors for the contract Army and against "conscript slavery." For you, all contractors, apparently, guys anywhere. I can disappoint you. There are not many serious physical and moral-psychological criteria in the Army. Most of the contract soldiers, sergeants, came to the contract in order to make money purely. And that's all. This is all the more important after raising the monetary allowance for such categories of citizens.
        1. bachast
          0
          25 June 2012 06: 04
          Yes, it just seems. I am for the 40/60 ratio - contract / conscript. Also, it seems to you that for me ALL contractors are "guys anywhere", although I did not speak for everyone. You cannot upset me with your conjectures because, as I commanded a unit of contract employees, and you did not. And excellent fighters served in my unit, the weak and illiterate simply could not stand it. Below there are literate comments from soldiers 1945 - read it! Explains a lot. And I can also say
          Most private sergeants contracted sergeantically on a contract to make pure money
          -This is quite normal and do not believe it when the majority will tell you that they are ready to serve without money, for any ideas. You are probably so young that you do not remember the mass dismissals of Soviet sourdough officers who are leaving precisely for these reasons
  5. dark_sp
    +9
    24 June 2012 07: 41
    Contractors in the filtration phase. The Ministry of Defense is getting rid of personnel ballast ---- Well, first of all, where should the cleaning start from, it is from the Ministry of Defense. More specifically, the first to drive his minister who is the current paper minister!
    1. Kaa
      +5
      24 June 2012 13: 05
      Is it interesting that the minister is also on a contract, or is he urgent and is he a grandfather-demobil?
      1. 0
        24 June 2012 13: 25
        Quote: Kaa
        Interestingly, the minister is also on contract.

        At the academy of sciences
        Sits Prince Dunduk.
        They say, not by rank
        Dunduk is such an honor.
        Why is he sitting?
        Because * oops there!
        Pushkin laughing
        Quote: Kaa
        is he a grandfather-demobil?

        No, he is there for kinship by someone else ...
        1. +1
          24 June 2012 18: 29
          I recall the old soldierly wisdom of the Soviet era
          WHAT'S MORE IN THE OAK ARMY - OUR DEFENSE IS STRONGER THAN!
          How relevant this is today!
          Whoever came up with this was probably a visionary!
  6. lcalex
    +6
    24 June 2012 07: 51
    due to the increase in the stratum of undergraduate and postgraduate students who study at state universities without state accreditation


    The guys hit ... laughing

    Universities must choose the right laughing
    1. thatupac
      0
      24 June 2012 12: 14
      Yeah, they wanted to go to graduate school under the guise of worrying about Russian science, but that wasn’t it, hehe hehe ...
      1. lcalex
        +1
        24 June 2012 16: 39
        Now urgently need to do two children .. laughing
        1. thatupac
          0
          24 June 2012 18: 01
          Well, this is much more useful than 3-4 years simply thrown out of life.
          1. welder
            0
            24 June 2012 23: 00
            thatupac !!! - so you specifically say, is the Army good or bad? (atom you don’t understand), then I’ll ask the next question
  7. +1
    24 June 2012 09: 10
    LA F A !!! Window dressing and fraud!
    1. thatupac
      0
      24 June 2012 12: 14
      Graduate student or student of an unaccredited university?
  8. soldat1945
    +8
    24 June 2012 09: 23
    In Yeysk, now such a survival takes place every 20 minutes, construction, for 4-6 hours, drill, everywhere movement is just building no 50 km march. And there was no trace at all, and this is all with men on average 30-35 years old who have already been years 5-7 served as contract soldiers in the Chechen brigades, people write reports with a psycho since no one expected such a fool at home, especially since their salary has been lower since 2012 than before, who serves there to confirm, so delight is certainly good, but the goal is I believe that there is no way to improve the quality of contractors; according to experience, the most competent and capable people leave because they simply do not understand what is happening!
    1. thatupac
      0
      24 June 2012 12: 16
      But there is no hazing. Purely statutory dr..ka. That is precisely why there are few who want to go on a contract. Especially after the impressions for the year on the installment. 3 years of the charter and daily routine few people want.
  9. +12
    24 June 2012 09: 25
    In our country, for some reason, all long-tongued people think that if a soldier has been assigned the status of a contract soldier, then he is already a professional. He served for 3 months - he signed a contract and he is already AS. He can be sent even immediately into battle. But you can be a professional even without such a status. This was shown by the participation of conscripts in hostilities. And who was recruited, but recruited for a contract. On the commanders of the units they pressed, dial. On the military registration and enlistment offices, plan, dial. The military registration and enlistment office has a department for training, conscription and recruitment of citizens for military service under contract. Think about it - SET, not SELECTION. So they typed that when faced with the first difficulties, they immediately hands up. Put next to our "thunderstorm of imperialism" a contract soldier, who received a category of suitability "A" with grief in half for insufficient food, and a thug a. And no matter what they say about our spirit and readiness to fight - in battle, not everything depends on skill. This year they recruited contractors - many were not paid for their allowances, and more than half of them are being removed in many parts. It is correct that they conducted a survival lesson. So it would be everywhere. In the army, those who want to serve, and not those who came for money, should remain. So that PROFESSION - THE MOTHERLAND TO PROTECT was just that for them. Recently, in pursuit of the golden calf, many think that in the army you can become almost a millionaire. The first question is not what exactly will and should be dealt with by the soldier and the officer, but what social package he will receive if he goes to a military school or on a contract basis. At one time, I only in the 3rd year found out how much I would receive as a platoon commander, and even then when studying this in the program. People were primarily interested in their mission in the army, but now he does not want to serve in the army, but he might have served as an officer. The truth is better than a financier or a lawyer. Such is life. Practically no one and nowhere conducts patriotic education, starting with our Supreme and Stooltkin. If in schools people from the Soviet Army work as OBZh teachers, then they do something, only on their own naked enthusiasm. No money, no security mat. After all, the old, equipped military training classes were destroyed in the 90s on the wave of the struggle against the militarization of the country. The main thing is that everyone knows this, they only make clever speeches. We learned to speak, however, without pieces of paper.
    1. soldat1945
      +6
      24 June 2012 10: 14
      You did not quite understand me, I served in the Chechen brigades for a long time, there a contract soldier does not differ much from a conscript; he lives in a barracks because he cannot bring a family in the absence of housing stock, love for the Motherland is good, but the moral basis for him was that he could send home to the family worthy money, I say again the average age of a contract soldier is 30-35 years over the years of recruiting contract soldiers in companies, but in the combat units, the backbones of 5-10 people have formed who already conclude 2-3 contracts, they have played more than one training constantly doing combat work on the protection of the routes of movement of military columns, perform reconnaissance - search tasks, I can say with confidence very adequate and capable people who can pass on experience to newcomers, and after this "survival" it is they who leave, because a combination of factors: 1. Deprivation opportunities for a normal family life, 2. Lack of normal timely payment of salaries. 3., 11 appraisals over the past year, 4. Stupid jerk off on survival courses. 5. Inability to get home with a calm heart and not be robbed by the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the territory of all the republics of the North Caucasus. All this together leads to their dismissal, I do not know, maybe in the military units of the rest of Russia, things are different, but in this particular case everything is like this!
    2. Kaa
      +2
      24 June 2012 13: 26
      I agree with you, but for many the concept of "patriotism" is something virtual, it needs to be brought into reality. Yesterday we remembered science fiction writer Heinlan, with his idea - did not serve in the army - live peacefully, but you are not a CITIZEN. If we apply this idea to our realities, then we need a general one-year course for a young soldier for a mob-reserve and a normal contract service. Plus, EVERYONE who wants to be a CITIZEN of the country must spend a certain number of years in the civil service - either in the army, or after a university or higher educational institution - according to distribution, as before - to a distant point of the Union for a NECESSARY society of civilian specialty, or to raise the village , or the industry to restore and develop. Only then does a person get the right to CHOOSE and be CHOSEN. I don’t like it - for God's sake, do business, pretend to be office plankton, but you don’t participate in elections that decide the fate of the COUNTRY, because you haven’t come across real life, what most people want, you only know from the media, and even then you choose those media, that correspond to your childhood ideas, what mom and dad and the party taught. We did not even notice how the "Marches of Millions" were organized according to such tusovka concepts, and during the voting they push through their virtual, crappy, tolerastic liberal idea. And if for several years in civilian life or in the Armed Forces, not under patronage, but in real life, they would have trumped, you see, something in my head would have changed. after all, many are just as normal people, only with Western liberalistic cockroaches in their heads.
  10. +1
    24 June 2012 10: 35
    Dear You avatar, as I see Suvorov!
    And this is hard in learning! - easy in battle!
    Why do you write
    4. Dumb jerking off on survival courses

    In my opinion, everything in the army - except for digging gardens to the authorities - is done to maintain combat readiness and can not be called dumb! And if a warrior is a pro, then for him it will not be stupid, but necessary!
    If you don’t think so - then replace your avatar with something else, home!
    1. soldat1945
      +2
      24 June 2012 12: 00
      You generally read what I wrote, in the comment above I indicated a hundred are mainly engaged in building and combat training, if we are in the 17th century army then you are right, and even Suvorov once removed the drill from the troops, and as for the authors, your spacesuit apparently indicates your isolation, go to the person is at least stupid!
      1. +2
        24 June 2012 13: 40
        Respected! Even with my (in your words) isolation,
        I see more of you and remember everything I write
        4. Dumb jerk off on survival courses

        As I understand it, combatant is not included in the survival rate.
        And I expressed my opinion precisely about this quote, and not on the comment that was higher and not about 1,2,3 and 5 in the same
        Before blowing the board, carefully read the opinion of the opponent.
        And as for the spacesuit, our guys do not consider it stupid to read diving rules periodically, undergo briefings every day before work and annually undergo VKK (Qualification Commissions) with 10-25 and more than years of experience.
  11. Cadet787
    0
    24 June 2012 10: 46
    Remember, in the good old days, the institution of super-military personnel existed and how l / s was selected. The most trained specialists were selected among the military servicemen of the military service, and then work was carried out to attract them to long-term service and there were no problems.
  12. +1
    24 June 2012 11: 39
    Correctly you say - CLEAR! And survival courses - everything should be in moderation. If a person performs combat missions in difficult conditions, then they are necessary. But there are various specialties in the army that you need to take with your mind, and not with big fists and a concrete head. Although it’s hard to even dream about it. We always had excesses and sways from side to side. In 2009, Makarov personally selected candidates for the General Staff Academy. And about the determining factor was the Federal Law. But A. Suvorov was not Valuev either.
    1. 0
      24 June 2012 18: 42
      Dear Borisovich!
      I don’t know whether Suvorov-Valuyev was orn’t, but those who served in the 65 MP division in the 80 years remember that there the regiment orchestra participated on equal footing and marching in full dressing and applied swimming and put sailors in the boxing championship (even it was that in lightweight they took the 2 place) and many of the DSB were given odds. On alert, the guards changed according to general standards and showed good results without complaints.
      And why? Today you are a clerk, musician, doctor, and tomorrow it may become that there will be no one to pick up a weapon besides you.
  13. TekhnarMAF
    +5
    24 June 2012 11: 48
    Such training is needed for special forces. For example, a radar operator needs to track a couple or three dozen targets and this "drill" is idiocy! You need to cook according to the military specialty.
    1. soldat1945
      +1
      24 June 2012 12: 11
      Oh, how right you are +++++++, but for what everyone here thinks there is physical training which is allocated 24 hours in the school week, plus all possible passing trainings and sports holidays on the weekend, you need to check the methodological level of teaching physically, but for units of the 1st category in the planned order to carry out these survival, and not all at once, as is happening now! And the law is necessary that if a contractual serviceman three times in a month takes exemption from physical exertion, then he is given a period of 1 month to pass the standards and if he does not pass them then he is dismissed as inadequate to the requirements of the Ministry of Defense, of course this does not apply to injuries. And then in what form this is happening now is a mockery of l \ s. By the way, if anyone concerns the military registration and enlistment service, then in central Russia there is no shaft of people wishing to serve under the contract!
    2. +2
      24 June 2012 18: 44
      Nikolay answer: And if the radar guard was killed, your operator needs to raise his hands and give up?
      1. TekhnarMAF
        0
        25 June 2012 15: 46
        Alekx. So I was just talking about specialization. Security should be prepared as security. that's why she is guarded. If a cool operator runs 50 km, he will have 2-3 goals!
        . Alas, universal soldiers are only in Amer’s fighters. If a violinist is forced to dig a hole daily, then the violin will be useful only for chopping nuts! I am not against the comprehensive training of contractors (as well as any high-ranking employee), but within reasonable limits.
  14. thatupac
    +2
    24 June 2012 11: 57
    I always laugh when contractors are called professionals. They are not professionals, but super-conscripts, most of whom remained in the Army to earn money, putting themselves well in the "barracks" before that.
    1. soldat1945
      0
      24 June 2012 12: 14
      For the teams of the South-Eastern Military District, this is not characteristic; there are no conscripts at all in four brigades at all!
      1. thatupac
        -1
        24 June 2012 12: 20
        And in these brigades, as Caucasians as well as lying around and lying around, and the Russians plow on them. Heard about the 46th.
    2. welder
      0
      24 June 2012 22: 43
      thatupac-somehow I remember you didn’t ask me to ITCH, but why are you yourself itching about suckers in the army? What’s insulting? So don’t itch
  15. +3
    24 June 2012 12: 26
    . At least 10% of the number of inspected contractors did not want to pass tests or did not pass health checks.

    That's right, but how many pot-bellied generals went through these courses with these soldiers! And the percentage is interesting to know ................... but the fact that no general can crawl out of the car !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  16. -1
    24 June 2012 13: 12
    An important, in my opinion, clarification: The quote "conscripts ... must undergo basic military training in civilian life and have a registered military specialty, which they must receive at the DOSAAF school." But where is it all? CWP, as far as I know, has not been taught in schools for a long time. There is practically no patriotic component of education. But this is the only, if you think about it, motivation for military service! Further, physical training: In some schools, physical education is taught by grandmothers of retirement age, trudoviks, etc., who have no relation to sports. Naturally, they cannot be the authorities for children on sports issues. Lack of sports clubs ... Basically, I think, this concerns rural schools. Hence the attitude and the result: The level of physical training of conscripts, according to the Medical newspaper, has significantly decreased. In general, skyscrapers are not built on a swamp and you need to start from the foundation ...
  17. Diesel
    -2
    24 June 2012 13: 45
    Okay, I understand about men, and why women should send children, households to many of them, and they are not going to fight. And yet, I’ll tell you a secret - everyone who fails or refuses, regardless of the reason, is fired. So I think these courses are completely nonsense.
    1. +2
      24 June 2012 17: 21
      And what do you think in case of military operations, there will be a shortened day for women or the enemy will be a gentleman - throw flowers?
      There are no men and women in the army! There is a soldier who must perform! if you have to die! And protect his business! And do not say that I have children and my husband is un fed and go home!
      1. Diesel
        0
        25 June 2012 13: 38
        Comrade, and if you have children at home alone and no one to leave them you will also leave everyone and go ???? Wow don't make me laugh. In words, you unaware shout out loud, but in practice?
  18. +1
    24 June 2012 14: 04
    The main thing is that oil does not fall in price ...
    1. -1
      24 June 2012 15: 16
      ShturmKGB
      The main thing is that oil does not fall in price ...

      I agree with you! After all, no one says that the ENTIRE budget of the country is formed only from taxes from the sale of oil and gas, but nevertheless: "Russia still receives the main revenues from the sale of oil and gas" Putin - at the expanded board of the Ministry of Finance. And one more thing: "Commenting on Putin's words about oil and gas revenues, Siluanov noted that excluding funds from the sale of resources, the budget deficit this year will be 10,6% of GDP." That is, one cannot discount such a factor as the decline in oil prices. Otherwise, a lot of social programs and reforms will come to grief. (Considering the result of recent reforms: Ministry of Internal Affairs, education ... Damn it, maybe this is for the best?) what
  19. -7
    24 June 2012 14: 15
    The term of the call must be increased years to 3's! A contractor, in my opinion, should be put on the posts of unit commanders and deputy platoon commanders! All the rest should be conscripts! With the exception of those positions where you need a specialist with higher education, who must think first of all with his brains!
    1. thatupac
      +1
      24 June 2012 15: 18
      Well, go and serve 3 years, since you are so smart with us ...
  20. +1
    24 June 2012 17: 37
    "That is, by the beginning of 2013, every fourth serviceman of the RF Armed Forces will be a professional. And the total share of officers, soldiers and sergeants in contract service will be almost 50% of the regular strength of the RF Armed Forces by this date."

    Somehow I didn’t understand this passage ... According to the Ministry of Defense, a quarter is equal to half, huh?
  21. -1
    24 June 2012 17: 49
    Not at all clear
    At first, everyone cursed - there is no combat training in the army, now many say why they need drill and survival courses.
    Well then, you need to ask - why is the Rossi Army ?!
    Yes, because the cook in the kitchen is cooking
    Train driver on a locomotive
    A serviceman - regardless of rank, position, gender, and age, defends his homeland. And if you are called a cargo man, do not whine and serve. Do not like it - go away. With one trained fighter more sense than with the bosom of zasr-tsev.
    1. -1
      24 June 2012 20: 41
      It is not clear - I will try to clearly express my point of view, which coincides with the opinion of the overwhelming majority of combatants with whom I have the honor to communicate. No need to rush with high words and cut all the sun with the same brush. To make it clearer, I will give an example. A contract soldier is sent to the "survival" - a cool auto mechanic of the repair unit, who can repair the UAZ engine with his eyes closed. A specialist who can restore a vehicle practically in the field is undoubtedly a trained fighter and is of value to the army, because with all my admiration for the Airborne Forces, not everyone needs to be able to break bricks with their heads. So, the problem is that he is already under forty years old, and he cannot keep up with the young on the obstacle course. And the standards are really tough (for those who don't know). As a result, we have - the introduction of "survival courses" is another inflection point in the plans of the Armed Forces' physical training.
      1. CC-18a
        -1
        24 June 2012 21: 59
        Your point of view is not correct. Moreover, it is fatal to the army. Any employee with a head instead of a pumpkin understands that Each Regardless of the type of troops and the tasks assigned to them, they must be able to fulfill some specific standards that everyone will need!
        The fact that a march of 50 km in cases of war will be a common thing for every soldier, at least for the Airborne Forces, at least for the clerk of the headquarters, one FIG will have to run ... the fact that everyone needs a survival course is also not disputed, it can be cool to throw everyone everywhere. ..and to lose more than half of the 1000 fighters just because they in the forest could not light a fire ... pf ... sorry, this is nonsense. All that was stated above is Necessary to each! the only question is whether the MO should soak and spend on training all these necessary elements of each contractor.
        Regarding your example:
        The mechanic - in your opinion that is not a soldier? let's then take in the army of mechanics from a citizen. soldiers are serving in the RF Armed Forces, and only then mechanics or specialists of other profiles. Nothing prevents the mechanic from passing standards on survival and at the same time disassembling the UAZ with his eyes closed ... if you are against this, then all the meaning of the army is lost.
        Airborne - do you think their basis is to be able to break bricks chtoli?
        Quote: gyrfalco
        So, the problem is that he is already under forty years old, and he cannot keep up with the young in the obstacle course.

        You are right this is a problem, a serious problem which should lead to dismissal at will. For a man under the age of 40, the standards above are not a problem if he is a pot-bellied, unclely tyrant. In any case, the war will not ask how old it is, and a fool or bayonet bullet will not give a discount for being under 40.
        Quote: gyrfalco
        And the standards are really tough (for those who don't know). As a result, we have - the introduction of "survival courses" is another inflection point in the plans of the Armed Forces' physical training.
        The standards are not strict, they are just practically the first standards, before that there was no general standard for which everyone had to "equal", that is, they stretch physically, draw in their bellies, develop endurance. I personally do not see an inflection point, all the standards are real for implementation, and the army is not a resort for blondes sissies for you, the army is the army! especially Russian ...

        (As an example, I can give one brigade near Moscow, the guards, as you write ... they specialize in construction ... and so it’s very rare to go to the field to shoot, alas, as a result, its combat value in case of a clash is doubtful, though its special orientation brigades may be useful, but as much as a civilian brigade)
      2. Diesel
        -1
        25 June 2012 13: 40
        This is not another bend, this is banal cleaning. Otherwise, I completely agree.
  22. Drugar
    +6
    24 June 2012 17: 53
    Sending contrashes (many of whom hardly pass FIZO at "3" or age) for survival courses is another forced step by the Ministry of Defense to reduce the size of the Army and Navy, caused by a lack of funds.
    This phase of reductions began immediately after the pre-election multiple increase in monetary allowances, and intensified after Putin and the Company realized that the elections were successfully rigged and they were not able to pay such a salary. This was openly stated in the Finance departments, they say, they overpaid, so now there is no money. The prizes were cut off almost immediately, the standards for physical fitness increase with enviable regularity, I didn’t pass them - you sit without a bonus, and in the future they do not renew the contract. Competition? Selecting the best? Rather, the consequences of an illiterate policy of Putin’s protege Serdyukov.
    The fall in oil prices is likely to cause a massive delay in monetary allowances, and it is quite possible that a tightening of physical standards to the Olympic level, and survival courses before landing at the North Pole naked and with a "Kalash" in the teeth.
    1. thatupac
      -3
      24 June 2012 18: 04
      Stupidity. The army is shrinking because few people want to serve. Elections are falsified only in the minds of white-tape minded people. Falling oil prices? And why did they create a stabilization fund? So that people can see openly how many people from the government and the president have stolen over the next year?
      1. Drugar
        +3
        24 June 2012 18: 48
        Stupidity

        Let's go back below ...
        The army is shrinking because few who want to serve

        Few people want to serve on an urgent basis - perhaps. The contract is now in line.
        Elections are rigged only in the minds of white tape

        Elections are rigged. Dot.
        You know better about the "minds of a fool", continue your self-knowledge.
        Falling oil prices? And why did they create a stabilization fund?

        Yes, yes, the stabilization fund was created precisely to pay high salaries to contract soldiers ... Here we come back to the word Stupidity
  23. -1
    24 June 2012 20: 20
    You need to start with survival courses with contract soldiers in reputable ranks. But they do not need to drive a march of 50 km.
    Here is another ..
    It is necessary, as in the times of these, to raise the alarm, for example, a motorized rifle brigade, and march on its own to the training ground, or load the entire "herd" on a railway transport, and immediately go to the stage of combat shooting.
    Here you have a test, it’s better to have nowhere. you can immediately carry out certification, and draw conclusions. Real ... The positions of senior and senior officers, unit commanders must be replaced by decent people, given appropriate authority, and let them conduct tests, attestations, survival courses, but reasonably. And besides this, let them do the main thing: they are preparing their people so that they can successfully pass these very tests and checks. But it turns out: he didn’t surrender a bad physo, but were engaged with him, prepared him in full? If you engage, then to prepare according to the norms of instruction is quite possible. The stupid military reform itself, entrusted to nonprofessionals (interestingly, but the young Serdyukov women who he brought to the highest positions in the Ministry of Defense for which they pass tests?), Is an example of unreason, splashing out a child with water.
    Forgotten the covenant of Peter the Great: If the general or chief officer of the Russian army, in the service of the sovereign’s health, has spoiled his health, he has kept his mind and has never left his service, but with great diligence using the doctors, he’s put on his feet again. For a sensible general or chief officer does not have strength in his legs and seat, but essence in the head and skills of the military. Being a sophisticated experience, I know that a fool of good health can make a great school out of stupidity. And according to this - it’s better to let the commander of Victoria gain without legs than without the head fool confusion suffers, living in good health. ”
    1. CC-18a
      -1
      24 June 2012 22: 14
      Quote: Alekseev
      It is necessary, as in the times of these, to raise the alarm, for example, a motorized rifle brigade, and march on its own to the training ground, or load the entire "herd" on a railway transport, and immediately go to the stage of combat shooting.

      It already turns out some kind of teachings.
      In addition, what did you write that will reflect the individual training of each fighter?. Alas, no way!
      Specifically, the motor brigade can be assessed and its officers, but nothing more.
      So your example does not fit. However, an example is very necessary for evaluating the same motorcycle brigade, which, according to the idea, happens in all kinds of exercises.

      Quote: Alekseev
      The positions of senior and senior officers, unit commanders must be replaced by worthy people, given appropriate authority, and let them conduct tests, attestations, survival courses, but reasonably.

      Where to get them? Do you have a family list of about 300 thousand worthy officers? no! so you get demagogy. It will be worse than the Syrdyuk. In addition, again, your option is the ideal scheme for corruption in parts, which they have been struggling with for so long.

      Quote: Alekseev
      The stupid military reform itself

      Is not a fact! The most stupid thing is to declare the results of the reform before it begins. Now you can carry any nonsense; you are not responsible for your words. But the generals and officers should answer before their honor and to the PM and sometimes to the Homeland for every action and every word.

      Quote: Alekseev
      They forgot the covenant of Peter the Great: If the general or chief officer of the Russian army, in the service of the sovereign, spoiled his health, he fell to his feet, having kept his mind, never to leave him from the service, and using the doctors with great diligence, put him back on his feet. For a sensible general or chief officer does not have strength in his legs and seat, but essence in the head and skills of the military. Being a sophisticated experience, I know that a fool of good health can make a great school out of stupidity. And according to this - it’s better to let the commander of Victoria gain without legs than without the head fool confusion suffers, living in good health. ”

      Then there were such times. In Europe, what’s not a general? What a crippled thread!
      However, Peter's words are not relevant, I doubt that each general will pass the above requirements for contract soldiers.
      1. -2
        24 June 2012 23: 04
        1.
        Quote: CC-18a
        In addition, what you wrote will reflect the individual training of each fighter ?.

        Dear, do you really think that a regiment, a brigade, a division can carry out a similar task without sufficient individual training of fighters?
        Do you imagine what it is? They will crush each other, the pillars and the houses of the townsfolk will destroy and the whole result without preparation. As happened before, what a sin to conceal.
        2. I wrote, my dear, if you carefully read about the special importance in educating the personnel of unit commanders and higher commanders, there will be less than 300 such posts. In all NE there are about a hundred brigades.
        So the list is not needed, "you can count on one hand." Not only to engage in outsourcing and praise the "Leopards". It is also necessary to put people in key positions who can train their own soldiers and resist corruption. They also lead their army into battle.
        3. Dear apologist of the field assistant, the reform is already successfully completing, one of the heroist reformists received (secretly) No. , the main reform of the highest praise! What is there:
        Quote: CC-18a
        The most stupid thing is to declare the results of the reform before it begins.

        4. The words of Peter refer not only to the general, but also to the chief officers
        Who are they - Unter, Ober, I think you will figure it out for yourself.
        So I wish you health and be more attentive and less self-confident drinks
        1. CC-18a
          -1
          25 June 2012 01: 22
          1.
          Quote: Alekseev
          Dear, do you really think that a regiment, a brigade, a division can carry out a similar task without sufficient individual training of fighters?

          What language should I write in?
          I kind of clearly and unequivocally expressed above.
          Quote: CC-18a
          In addition, what you wrote will reflect individual the preparation each fighter ?.

          I can paint in even more detail than it is not clear.
          How successful or unsuccessful completed tasks of the regiment will help to calculate a specific fighter Sidorovo and Ivanov who conditionally could not overcome 50 km because of which the whole floor is credited as not having overcome 50 km. At the same time, these 50 km for the sake of These Sidorov and Ivanogo is the entire regiment conditionally.

          Have you served in the army? How in the course of the exercises will it be revealed that Private Ivanov is not combat-ready? if he is in a crowd of 1000 soldiers somewhere in the middle and is not visible all the time. Will create a commission to investigate and identify this Ivanov?

          I'm not writing demagoguery for you as many people like here, but specific examples of which have their own consequences and consequences. Or can you explain to me how to identify bad fighters in the course of your example? by surname !!! (An example of how dismissal at the request of colleagues - "here he was a bastard trudged slower than everyone else" - are not accepted and more this squealing is not accepted and this example itself is like a slippery path)

          Quote: Alekseev
          Do you imagine what it is? They will crush each other, the pillars and the houses of the townsfolk will destroy and the whole result without preparation. As happened before, what a sin to conceal.

          Everything happened, and always was the same thing, months and years of military investigations by prosecutors and often to no avail! thousands of claims that they say I'm not to blame but whoa that person is to blame. If a simple fight in the barracks with a simple broken nose x *** y find out who is to blame, a simple petty one ... if this remains practically unclear, then it is clear that 1000 guilty parties will be found in the failure of the conventional regiment, and most likely the true culprit this 1000 will be.
          I tell quite ordinary and well-known things to those who served.

          2.
          Quote: Alekseev
          2. I wrote, my dear, if you carefully read about the special importance in the education of cadres of unit commanders and higher chiefs, there will be less than 300 thousand such positions. There are about a hundred brigades in all ground forces. So the list is not needed, "you can count on one hand." Not only to engage in outsourcing and praise the "Leopards". It is also necessary to put people in key positions who can train their own soldiers and resist corruption. They also lead their army into battle.

          Everything is beautiful on paper, but forgot about the ravines.
          Let's say not 300 thousand, but only well 1000. This 1000 direct subordinates have 10000-100000, the first 1000 subordinates have their own subordinates, and those have their own. Question! How can the first 1000 be able to educate and control the entire chain to each fighter ?, you propose your own methodology for the entire RF Armed Forces. It turns out that if 1 subordinate of every first 1000 of the most reliable turns out to be a "traitor" and it will be very bad to do everything, then this is somewhere around 1000 top-level officers who have their own subordinates and that somewhere around 100 thousand or more turn out to be poorly trained or not prepared at the same time to blame this will be de jure and partly de facto the first 1000.
          I dare to assume that you in the management / command of subordinates have a poor understanding .... so take a word! a handful of even the most intelligent and patriotic people will not be able to break every parasite in the country and in the army so that everything becomes as it should. So that you need the system as it should! but what you offer is partly a current system based on a handful of people and their patriotism and mind ... that in itself is no longer a system and therefore not viable.
          Quote: Alekseev
          He also lead his army into battle.
          But this is not a fact and most likely unlikely! If you try to realize your idea, you will have to assign the officers to their subordinates, and hence the subordinates to their officers, it turns out a kind of modern slavery system chtoli, but this is not the main thing, but the fact that this option is absolutely not flexible. The officer killed all the subordinates to get lost, because he wrote above, the officers already assigned. He put the new one in command and he is the new one, he did not prepare these fighters, which means he cannot command them.

          Quote: Alekseev
          3. Dear apologist of the field assistant, the reform is already being successfully completed, one of the heroist reformists received (secretly), the main reform leader, the highest praise! What is there:

          3. You are a little mistaken. The reform is ongoing and can only be completed only, but it is still in the process. And the fact that we are discussing is not reform, it’s its individual aspects - small reforms or sub-reforms, that is, various changes that are introduced gradually based on the main concept of reform.
          Nevertheless, discarding your demagoguery, I return to what I said:
          The most stupid thing is to declare the results of the reform before it begins.
          So until the results of innovations on the new standards are visible, it’s too early to declare something, your opinion is clear, but it’s not worth it to state so clearly wink You are not a god to know the outcome of a case that has not yet begun or the current flow has begun.

          Quote: Alekseev
          4. The words of Peter refer not only to the general, but also to the chief officers

          Come on? By the way, Pyotr dismissed many overseas generals from the RI service in many respects for their health, and also for uselessness, but he sent him home just for the padagra, and Peter's favorites were Menshikov and ... more like our generals who ran along with the soldiers and they were the first to attack, however, our generals weren’t current but some foreign in the service of the Republic of Ingushetia and Peter valued them ... As you can see, history shows a little different. So you can write demagogy, but actions and facts will remain facts.


          Quote: Alekseev
          So I wish you health and be more attentive and less self-confident

          Same to you. I’m not self-confident, I just don’t like demagogy, there is a drop of truth from the whole sea and there is no benefit in it.
          1. -2
            25 June 2012 09: 14
            Apparently, the polemic must be stopped. A hefty, verbose and stubborn opponent, he even served in the army ... Maybe more than me ... after all, here is not a collection of truths, but a collection of opinions.
            Personally, it seems to me that the personal training of servicemen (any) should be assessed annually at the final check. And regarding the current filtration, I fully agree with AIvanA
            Quote: AIvanA
            It’s a sacred thing to disperse the contractors, for physical and other training, and who asked the commanders how the combat and physical training was conducted in the part where they served before the tests, I certainly apologize for something I don’t understand, I myself participated in exercises at various levels, but all these tests reminiscent of another reduction, and somehow organized with fanfare, throughout the country.
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            Goodbye, SS, success in everything.
  24. +1
    24 June 2012 21: 16
    Soldiers "are not born, they become soldiers!"
    And the really stupid reformers want to "select the good" from the citizenry. Where can there be "good" people for all the siloviki and for all spheres of activity in the country ?!
    Who will select them? The military registration and enlistment offices did not reform, but simply "castrated", keeping, often, the carriers of the corruption component.
    In the best case, and this should be considered a success, it will be possible to weed out the obvious g ... It is also in the so-called queues "to the army for pay" in the forefront ...
    What to do? And just gradually prepare the military "class" in the country. People for whom military service is a life choice. Those who are ready to start with an urgent private, then a sergeant under contract, then become an officer in the VVUZ, or a specialist (warrant officer, as in the favorite US reformers) and so on until a decent pension.
    This is for professionals. And the urgent one should take place, mainly, in training centers, where a mobile resource would be prepared. Yes, chauffeurs, cooks and other "ready-made" specialists from the civilian world, could do military service in the service and support departments, without it, too, is impossible.
  25. AIvanA
    +1
    25 June 2012 04: 55
    It’s a sacred thing to disperse the contractors, for physical and other training, and who asked the commanders how the combat and physical training was conducted in the part where they served before the tests, I certainly apologize for something I don’t understand, I myself participated in exercises at various levels, but all these tests reminiscent of another reduction, and somehow organized with fanfare, throughout the country.
  26. +1
    25 June 2012 08: 44
    Positions defined:
    1.- Needed
    2.- Aircraft Reduction Cover
    3.-Exemption from this “conscription” of women, specialists, and fighters involved in armed conflicts (combat experience)
    4.- I don't care.

    Well, to whom do not care - that do not care, I see!
    1 and 2 groups are related both I support but 2 has a small “but” ....
    The position of the 3 group is not clear - it turns out that specialists who were shot at by fighters with experience are equated with women who are not physically healthy, etc.

    Then to the third group the question - Is it possible in the army to have two parallel Charter - I think the majority will answer no
    One of the main rules is the unquestioning execution of orders of commanders and commanders.

    Then what kind of concessions can we talk about? The charter is one for all

    If your children are not nursed at home, your stomach is crawling on your nose, or you just don’t want what are you doing here at all ?!

    Experienced contractors, like officers, should first of all take such courses to support their “young” comrades and subordinates and be for them the standard for which they need to be leveled.
    Otherwise it turns out - not statism. Some run around, others into smoking rooms, others pour over the phone.
    All this was already familiar to everyone.
    There should be no exception in the army for anyone, for a soldier, sailor, conscript, contractor, or officer without reference to the rank and position.
    It would be nice to make Shtabnikov at the Moscow Defense Ministry - first of all, otherwise many from the table go out to dinner twice a day and in the evening when they need to go home.
  27. 0
    25 June 2012 10: 34
    In order to conduct such tests, it is necessary to fundamentally change the entire system of selection and training. In our country, at the level of schools and vocational schools, sports and physical education are in their infancy. The army has never been put in charge of physo, with the exception of some parts. there was a minimum, which was believed to be enough for all occasions. This is pulling up, 3 km, 100 m, push-ups. Everyone who served should remember. Now most of the recruits come with a whole bunch of sores. Where did the trained contract soldiers come from? Before coming up with such fees, first you need to prepare at least someone. ROSTO prepares very few conscripts. The Americans began to transfer their army to a contract basis after Vietnam, invest a lot of money, and so far it’s not possible to bring the reform to the end. And then the fakir clicked his fingers- all became special forces at one point. By the way, there is no queue for the contract either. They don’t take anyone, they don’t call. At least in our troops.

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