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Poland drove its troops into Suwalki "ticks" of Russia

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Anthony Matserevich, who headed the Polish Defense Ministry from the end of 2015 to the beginning of 2018, recently revealed to the local newspaper Dziennik Gazeta Prawna quite interesting circumstances of the struggle that broke out among the generals several years ago. If we throw aside the “labels” pasted by the ex-minister on his opponents, then it can be schematically described as follows.




My view of a strategic alliance with the United States has been known for at least 40 years.

- noted Matserevich.

It is this statement that should be considered as the starting point of his military "reformism". Before he came to the ministerial post, the military leadership of the country was very careful about the possibility of confrontation with Moscow. However, under Matserevich, a large-scale implementation of the idea of ​​creating a threat to Russia in the Suvalki sector began. As he points out, this option of concentration of forces is the only way to protect the Baltic states.

If we do not keep the Suwalki corridor, then Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia will be cut off and in a bag, without any chance of protection from Russian aggression.


However, a group of generals stubbornly resisted these plans. Among them was the head of the General Staff Miroslav Ruzhansky.

He did not even conceal that he was an opponent of [...] the strengthening of the armed forces on the eastern bank of the Vistula.

- explains Matserevich.

Ruzhansky categorically objected to the redeployment of troops, considering that the transfer of forces to the East means their rapid destruction in the event of a conflict. He pointed out that there is no necessary infrastructure here and even there is no “supply shoulder”. However, the problem was much deeper - in assessing the role of the Polish army in a potential conflict.

The war with Russia did not at all take into account the Polish armed forces [...] we should have been [...] a modest addition to the Bundeswehr.

- notes Matserevich.

From the “VO” side, let us point out that it is in this statement, even if it is rather strained, that the past strategy of the Polish generals is hidden. The country's presence in the Warsaw bloc left its mark on the deployment of troops concentrated mainly on the German border. However, even after the reorientation of Poland to the West, this position of the army undoubtedly played a positive role.

The fact is that in the event of even a hypothetical offensive of the Russian troops, which has been constantly repeated in Warsaw recently, the Polish armed forces were able to unite with the Bundeswehr, which would significantly enhance their combat capabilities.

When placed at the so-called Eastern Wall, Polish troops lose their chances of regrouping and almost immediately join the battle. The only alternative to defense in this case would be an offensive along the Suvalki corridor in an attempt to stop the advance of the Russian army from Belarus to Kaliningrad or outrun it.

However, both options are fraught with disastrous consequences. Considering the significant difference in the combat potentials of the countries, it is highly likely that Polish troops will in any case be caught in “ticks”. Their march towards the Baltic will only increase this probability. Apparently, they are well aware of this in Warsaw, constantly appealing to the United States to place a large military contingent in Poland. But it was necessary to think about it earlier, when under the leadership of Matserevich the troops were driven into the future "boilers".
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  1. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi April 17 2019 07: 07
    0
    Ruzhansky categorically opposed the redeployment of troops, believing that the transfer of forces to the East means their rapid destruction in the event of a conflict.

    What a wise man. He would suggest negotiating with Argentina for example. On the topic to base all the Polish troops in the area of ​​Tierra del Fuego. There will definitely be more intact.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 17 2019 08: 10
      +1
      Poland turns to the United States for the deployment of the contingent, because it’s afraid of its next division! And it’s right to be afraid !!!! However, this will happen, anyway!
      1. Andy
        Andy April 17 2019 08: 16
        -3
        Quote: Reptiloid
        afraid of his next section! And rightly afraid

        And what are they afraid of? Who will share it? Such "combat-ready detachments of heroes" as you only know how to fight from the sofas, and the rest of the "5th column" and they did not care for this Poland wassat
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 17 2019 08: 21
          0
          The Germans really lack their territories. Poles feel --- sooner or later the Germans will demand their own. This is what we are talking about .. Germany is much richer and more significant than Poland.
          Quote: Andy
          Quote: Reptiloid
          afraid of his next section! And rightly afraid

          Why is she afraid of that? Who will share it? wassat
          1. Andy
            Andy April 17 2019 08: 28
            -7
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Germany is much richer and more significant than Poland

            Well, in terms of the army, Poland has clearly overtaken Germany! So, militarily, the Germans should be afraid of the Poles, and not vice versa. And in terms of economy, Poland is also buzzing, the fastest growing economy in the EU according to official data.
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier April 17 2019 09: 01
              +8
              It grows only due to the financial injections of the EU. And they will end in 2 years. No need for fairy tales only.
            2. Horon
              Horon April 17 2019 09: 35
              +1
              So militarily it’s already Germans need to be afraid Polyakov and not vice versa.

              Nationalities with a capital letter ??? wassat
              1. Dzungar
                Dzungar April 17 2019 17: 37
                +1
                He just licked ......
                1. Horon
                  Horon April 17 2019 18: 39
                  0
                  This is precisely the impression that has developed. hi
            3. Machito
              Machito April 17 2019 09: 56
              +1
              Apparently the Poles do not know about our holiday Day of National Unity. The French, and especially the Germans, still have not faded memories of Moscow. Warsaw is much closer to Berlin and Paris.
            4. another RUSICH
              another RUSICH April 17 2019 16: 11
              +1
              I would not overestimate the pshek. What warriors and allies they are, we know very well.
              Conversely, I would not underestimate the Germans and their spirit on the battlefield. They know how to fight
              1. meandr51
                meandr51 April 17 2019 22: 37
                0
                Previously knew how. When the NNA East Germany was. After the unification, the Westerners began to inspect it and with belated horror discovered its superiority in almost everything. And most importantly - in a fighting spirit. The advice of the Germans did not tolerate.
        2. unsinkable
          unsinkable April 18 2019 15: 14
          0
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Why is she afraid of that?

          The question is posed incorrectly. What is she afraid of, everyone knows.
          The right question will be: * Why is she afraid? *
          Quote: Andy
          only know how to fight from sofas,

          I wonder how you know how to fight.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 17 2019 07: 08
    +4
    Matserevich.
    How much has already been said about this near, especially in the military sense to the minister (politician), terry Russophobe, with all his statements and behavior creating the image of an inadequate person. But as they say, it does not sink. And in the Polish Armed Forces, even with such a minister, there were adequate generals.
    we should have been [...] a modest addition to the Bundeswehr.
    Would you like to be the vanguard in the war against Russia? Well, a rifle from the closet and go.
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  3. knn54
    knn54 April 17 2019 07: 08
    +2
    Reminds a situation with the Bialystok ledge before the Second World War. The mistake of General Pavlov led to grave consequences.
    1. alstr
      alstr April 17 2019 07: 19
      +10
      In order to break through the corridor to Kaliningrad it is absolutely not necessary to break through the corridor by the shortest distance.
      It is enough to look at the map and understand that it is useless to go through Suwalki - there are no roads to Kaliningrad (only from west to east). If you strike, then in the direction of Vilnius - Kaunas-Klaipeda, Vilnius-Gusev-Kaliningrad. This is more promising, because gives capture of the capital of Lithuania, capture of a good artery for supply and a port to which you can also carry cargo.
  4. Samara_63
    Samara_63 April 17 2019 07: 12
    +5
    In any case, Poland will die first ... Germany is not worried about Poland, they would not die themselves ... Germans are not the same
    1. Nord2015
      Nord2015 April 17 2019 07: 22
      +1
      Quote: Samara_63
      In any case, Poland will die first ...

      Why so? If there is no aggression against Russia, then it will not perish.
      “The mice cried, pricked, but continued to nibble the cactus”
      1. Samara_63
        Samara_63 April 17 2019 07: 25
        +1
        Well it is clear. However, the rhetoric of their political elite is warlike ...
        1. Nord2015
          Nord2015 April 17 2019 07: 42
          +3
          Militant rhetoric is selling well now. The American owner is satisfied, so they are trying.
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 April 17 2019 22: 39
        0
        Well, how will it not? Not in a western way ...
    2. akunin
      akunin April 17 2019 10: 18
      0
      Quote: Samara_63
      Germans are not the same

      but we are "miracle heroes ...". all are not the same and no one wants war.
  5. KCA
    KCA April 17 2019 07: 18
    -1
    The Russian Federation can transfer one hundred thousand paratroopers to pshekia within a couple of hours, after processing by Iskander, Tochki and other high-precision, and not only accurate, weapons
    1. Fedor egoist
      Fedor egoist April 17 2019 11: 35
      -1
      Quote: KCA
      The Russian Federation can transfer thousands of one hundred paratroopers to PSEK within a couple of hours

      Why not three hundred thousand? The figure is just as fantastic, but much more solid))
      Two hours is a long time ... you need to drop in twenty minutes! Hypersonic missiles!
      laughing laughing laughing
      1. KCA
        KCA April 17 2019 12: 38
        -1
        Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov said that more than 65 thousand personnel, about 5,5 thousand weapons and equipment, more than 180 aircraft and about 60 helicopters are involved in a sudden check of the Central Military District
        Verification, not war, however. Do you, Fedya, doubt the ability of the Airborne Forces to pack up and carry out landing within two to several hours?
        1. Fedor egoist
          Fedor egoist April 17 2019 13: 05
          +1
          Quote: KCA
          doubt the possibility of the airborne forces to assemble and carry out landing within two to several hours

          If I doubt anything, then your competence.
          Otherwise, I'm sure.
          1) The total number of airborne much less than 100000 people "announced" by you. The number of actually combat-ready is an order of magnitude less.
          2) The landing troops are not only in the European part, but also in the Far East, which further reduces the forces available for landing.
          3) Transport aviation and the capacity of airfields will not be enough even for a landing ten times smaller in number in the indicated time frame.
          4) The landing party in a couple of hours - this personnel must ALREADY be at the airfield, in full combat readiness, and the transport aircraft must be fueled and ready for takeoff. In the reality where I am, the paratroopers raised by alarm will have time to reach the airfield maximum in two hours and deliver there a part of the armored vehicles put by the state from storage bases. Or do you think that they are sleeping in their arms in their barracks with their BMD and "Nonas"?
          5) The main point. Massive airborne assaults were pointless even during WWII. The situation has since changed only for the worse for the Airborne Forces. In fact, the Airborne Forces is now an elite highly mobile infantry.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox April 17 2019 17: 00
      0
      Remember WHAT resolution did Stalin impose on Khrushchev's report?
      "Calm down!" - applies to you too ...
  6. Gray brother
    Gray brother April 17 2019 07: 19
    +4
    And in my opinion, he did everything right - the Germans will turn on the back, and the Poles and Pridaldon, together with the most powerful army in Europe of one of the most European powers (or whoever else will be there) will receive stars.
    Destroyed countries will find themselves in the position of those who ask and they will enslave them for a long time through lending, and then there are some who dare elders constantly.

    And then you’re thinking of something - to unite with the Bundeswehr. And did the Bundeswehr ask - did he need it?
    1. cniza
      cniza April 17 2019 08: 36
      +5
      The Bundeswehr will unite, but with its lands, which Poland received after the Second World War.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 April 17 2019 22: 41
      0
      As far as I know, Germans are sick of the Poles.
  7. evgen1221
    evgen1221 April 17 2019 07: 19
    0
    What is it worth to de-buffer countries under guarantees and loans of Europe and us. And they and we are calmer and these countries due to the lack of defense spending in profit.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich April 17 2019 07: 41
      +1
      Quote: evgen1221
      demethorize

      My dear friend, well, you are connected to the Internet. Why not spend as many whole seconds in order to clarify how the word "demilitarization" is spelled?
      This improvisation of yours reminded me of another masterpiece - "not eating solo" instead of "not eating too much". Not you and its author by chance?
    2. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov April 17 2019 08: 53
      +1
      Quote: evgen1221
      What is it worth to de-buffer countries under guarantees and loans of Europe and us. And they and we are calmer and these countries due to the lack of defense spending in profit.

      What a good person you are, Eugene! You, as I understand it, are for all good and against all bad. Don't stop, Evgeny, keep going in the same direction. You look, and you will grow to some great post. For example, before the post of Minister of Defense of Poland. And everyone will be fine, and we are calmer. And most importantly, pensioners will become richer ("due to the absence of defense spending in profit"). laughing
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 17 2019 10: 59
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      What is it worth to de-buffer countries under guarantees and loans of Europe and us. And they and we are calmer and these countries due to the lack of defense spending in profit.

      Not for that "mom raised her daughter" ie. NATO expanded towards Russia, so that it could be demilitarized later, just like that for loans. The United States understands that old Europe is not delighted with the policy pursued by mattresses and at a critical moment may start to be capricious, and therefore create a second zone of confrontation - the Baltic States, Poland and Urkaina, which reliably separate old Europe from Russia and at the same time allow the United States to press to Europe itself, even if the latter achieves the withdrawal of the American contingent from its territory, which stupidly migrates to the countries of the second belt ... Poland has recently, apparently feeling itself an important pawn in a big geopolitical game, deliberately goes to aggravation with old Europe and even allows himself to demand reparations and compensation from Germany, while being subsidized by the EU, which in turn threatens to impose sanctions on Poland. So everything is not so simple there)))
  8. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 17 2019 07: 21
    +5
    I was always surprised ... The Poles love so much, “to fight,” and, “to win,” therefore they have always been a passage yard for Germany and Russia. And forever doubled.
    The most ,, heroic ,, Poles are - ,, Three tankmen ,, :-)
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. April 17 2019 07: 55
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Three tankers

      Four, four tankers. And the tank was called "Red" ...
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 April 17 2019 08: 24
        +3
        Four, four tankers.


        Three Poles, Georgians and Dog laughing
      2. Bacha
        Bacha April 17 2019 09: 35
        0
        One Georgian was)))
      3. Mikhalych 70
        Mikhalych 70 April 17 2019 09: 56
        +1
        In the comic version, the title of the film was "Three Poles, Georgians and a Dog". Not?
      4. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich April 17 2019 12: 05
        0
        To blame! FOUR tankmen. And the dog ... :-)
      5. another RUSICH
        another RUSICH April 17 2019 16: 19
        +1
        Not red, but ore
    2. Horon
      Horon April 17 2019 09: 50
      0
      There was a time the gentry drank a lot of Russian blood! They even tried to put False Dmitry on the Russian throne, and their chances of doing so were good. Do not underestimate them!
  9. Aliken
    Aliken April 17 2019 07: 22
    +1
    It remains to wait for the announcement of Macerevich as the "Russian agent" of the Kremlin, which has driven its army up the ass.
    1. cniza
      cniza April 17 2019 08: 34
      +2
      They will hold this trump card.
  10. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev April 17 2019 07: 40
    +5
    The Polish gentry at the genetic level has two schizophrenic ideas - to be from sea to sea and under whom to lie.
    1. cniza
      cniza April 17 2019 08: 33
      +1
      Two incompatible things. yes
      1. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun April 17 2019 15: 12
        0
        Why?)) Depending on how you lie))
    2. unsinkable
      unsinkable April 18 2019 15: 33
      0
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev

      The Polish gentry at the genetic level has two schizophrenic ideas - to be from sea to sea and under whom to lie.

      So far, it’s only possible to lie down. They lay under the USSR. Now under the Americans. Without a master they can no longer.
  11. Kent0001
    Kent0001 April 17 2019 08: 06
    +1
    Something the military leadership of the Sumerians reminds - the stupid and ambitious profane deploy troops solely for the purpose of their subsequent encirclement in the "cauldron" by the troops of the opposing side. Somehow.
    1. cniza
      cniza April 17 2019 08: 32
      +2
      They always tried to hide behind the back of the strong, but for some reason they dream of the Commonwealth ...
  12. kiril1246
    kiril1246 April 17 2019 08: 37
    +1
    In case of war, no one will fight for Poland. They will express concern and deliver old decommissioned equipment. Frontal battles are disastrous for Poland. Poland will not be able to stop the Russian troops, only to slow them down. She needs to invest more in the development of the Air Force and the construction of road missiles, which should ensure maximum mobility of troops. However, dogmas acquired by Polish generals in Soviet academies and which are great for leading huge armies like the Soviet one, but little for armies of small states, still dominate there. In addition, the population most likely will not show strong resistance until Warsaw. All eastern Poland is very reminiscent of Belarus, and if it gently treats the population and prisoners, then the resistance will be weak.
  13. avisv
    avisv April 17 2019 09: 11
    0
    And what prevents Russia from building an underground tunnel from Kaliningrad to Belarus? To avoid transit through the territory of hostile Lithuania. It will be of great strategic importance, as it was in South Ossetia.
  14. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 17 2019 09: 59
    +1
    Matserevich, this of course is also that clown!
    It was he who was shouting that we had re-cut the Mistrals from the Egyptians.
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 17 2019 10: 23
    +1
    Now the Polish army is more efficient than the German. The Germans will have to adapt. And defend together (in the event of a wide war), waiting for American reinforcements.
    And they all the same will not have time to save the Baltic.
    1. Fedor egoist
      Fedor egoist April 17 2019 12: 24
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And they all the same will not have time to save the Baltic.

      The Baltic states reminds me a lot of Israel:
      1) Consider themselves exceptional, and their neighbors - backward barbarians.
      2) Have permanent territorial claims against neighbors.
      3) Surrounded by enemies from all sides (which is not surprising, based on the first two points).
      4) They are on friendly terms with the States (otherwise the "barbarians" will crush them in number).
      5) They really want a mono-ethnic state (without representatives of "non-exclusive" nations).
      6) If there is nowhere to retreat, only the deep blue sea is behind ...
      laughing
      But I will not compare the army - here the Israelis are well done everywhere, a tough nut for neighbors)
      1. nafanal
        nafanal April 18 2019 09: 16
        0
        Well, here, in Russia, there are still enough Jews ..
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 April 17 2019 22: 45
      0
      Rescue a mine detonator capsule?
  16. ilik54
    ilik54 April 17 2019 11: 19
    0
    Now the war will go according to this scenario - nuclear charges explode off the coast of England and the United States and the war ends - there will be no one to fight with. All!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 17 2019 11: 36
      0
      The USA has three coasts: the Atlantic, the Pacific Ocean and the Gulf of Mexico. And their ICBMs are in the very center of the mainland. belay
      1. ilik54
        ilik54 April 17 2019 16: 37
        +1
        Well, that’s right, and there, in the center of the North American continent, is the Yellowstone Caldera, it will complete the whole thing.
  17. NF68
    NF68 April 17 2019 15: 36
    +1
    Learn from horses. Those in 2014 with special love climbed into all kinds of boilers. They raked there and climbed again.
  18. nafanal
    nafanal April 18 2019 09: 13
    0
    A little strained phrase about the modest addition of the Bundeswehr .. But what, the Germans represent some kind of strength? In my opinion, their minister-gynecologist made a lot of efforts to drive the Bundeswehr .. well, you know where