Indonesian medium tank Harimau went into series

In Indonesia, mass production of the first batch of medium tanks Harimau ("Tiger") Turkish-Indonesian development. The corresponding contract was signed by the country's Ministry of Defense and the state defense industry association PT Pindad, the bmpd blog reports.

The number of tanks in the first batch is not disclosed, but it is known that this will be 18-20 tanks (the final number will be determined later depending on the cost of equipment), which must be transferred to the troops during 3-x years.

Harimau ("Tiger") is a joint development of the Turkish company FNSS Savunma Sistemleri and the Indonesian PT Pindad specifically for the Indonesian army.

The body and chassis of the tank are completely created by the Turkish FNSS, and the turret of the tank is the Belgian steel double CMI Defense Cockerill 3105 with a CN Defense CT-CV 105HP rifled gun equipped with a 105 muzzle brake and a twin 7,62-mm machine gun. The gun is equipped with an automatic drum-type loader on 12 shots, another 30 shots are in the box in the machine body. The gun is capable of firing with standard NATO 105-mm tank ammunition. The contribution of the Indonesian side was to finance the project, although the assembly of tanks will be carried out in Indonesia at PT Pindad.

The weight of the tank 32-35 tons (not exactly disclosed), the crew of three people. The machine is able to overcome the ford with a depth of 1,2 m, a ditch with a width of 2 m and a wall with a height of 0,9 m.

Booking the hull and turret of the tank provides protection against the 14,5 mm armor-piercing bullet with the 200 m, but can be enhanced to protect against the 25-mm projectile projectile.

At the first stage, the Indonesian army intends to acquire the 44 tank Harimau. In total, it is planned to deliver to the troops up to 400 tanks.

Comments

[polar fox]

strange booking for such a mass ...

[g1washntwn]

Level 4 STANAG 4569. Up to level 5 only with hinged panels - 30mm forehead, up to 25mm - sides.
Without DZ / AZ, even in the counter-guerrilla class will not pull. RPG-7 from the bushes to help him, and even that the tandem will do very sadly for him.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: g1washntwn

Without DZ / AZ, even in the counter-guerrilla class will not pull.

So this is an ordinary modern LT (Octopus, for example, also without DZ (no need to kick, but Octopus is just a light tank)). If it strongly presses, they will buy DZ blocks from Russia, Ukraine or Israel.

Here another raises more questions: Indonesia actively uses the PT-76 and BMP-3. At the same time, there are rumors that the floating PT-76 will be replaced by the Tigers. Despite the fact that the purchase cost of the BMP-3 (a cat from a light tank was not far away and, among other things, it has a DZ + it is floating) is an order of magnitude lower than that of Turkish designers. In addition, there is another option - Chinese LT (already with DZ and production has been established). Either the question of prestige, or internal graters, or corruption, but most likely a whole cocktail.

Quote: YOUR

Everything is strange here. Designed in Turkey, manufactured

Just this is nothing strange: something like this is not uncommon. Around the same time, LAV-25, Stryker, etc. were born.

[g1washntwn]

Only ford, of course, maneuverability in the tropics will cut them. But the CMI Defense Cockerill 3105 is too heavy for the floating option. They wanted to put the same towers on wheeled 6x6 Doosan Black Fox? So modularity in service will save them.

[Kerensky]

Only ford, of course, maneuverability in the tropics will cut them. But the CMI Defense Cockerill 3105 is too heavy for the floating option.

How to cut it. And 105mm for the tropics is redundant.

[otto9966]

In New Guinea gathered bounty hunters to drive them?

[YOUR]

Everything is strange here. Designed in Turkey, manufactured in Belgium, a cannon tower, in Turkey, a hull and hodovka, assembled in Indonesia. I will not be surprised if other countries have made their efforts to this tank.

[The leader of the Redskins]

World cooperation?)) I think the price of the issue. In the current realities and OBT becomes a target, so why pay more.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

In current realities and MBT becomes a target,

A combination of KAZ + DZ + normal infantry with infantry fighting vehicles + normal artillery and support for the Air Force treat this problem, minimizing the threat :)
And without jokes, then infantry without BMP (including wheeled) and MBT (or at least LT) is defeated faster than infantry with all this wealth (there are rare exceptions, but they are usually associated with a low level of training of mts )

Quote: donavi49

22 Cars have already contracted and another option is about a hundred

Did not know. Thanks for the info. It turns out that the marines will be in C grade, and the army team on this + tigers?

[YOUR]

We chose what is better and for money so that it enters a certain amount.
Tank target in Indonesia. For whom? For Komodo lizards or for Javanese tigers. They rather need armored boats to rummage around the islands

[donavi49]

Well, they chose this tower and now they will bet not only on this tiger, but also on Pandoor. 22 Machines have already contracted and another option is about a hundred. Part will be in the version of the BMP, part in the version of the wheeled tank.

[Shuttle]

Quote: polar fox

strange booking for such a mass ...

And with whom to conduct battles? Who are his likely opponents? Clean water police tank, in my opinion.

[donavi49]

With archers in the jungle
Papuans separatists killed 3's Indonesian soldiers from bows
https://topwar.ru/155426-papuasy-separatisty-ubili-3-h-indonezijskih-soldat-iz-lukov.html

Not a cop. Just specific. See something Indonesia. Java and Sumatra are even less industrialized, and the rest of the islands are in fact wild with centers of civilization. There Leo 2 does not apply. And there are all sorts of separatists. The same East Timor.

Another point - the cell of the broads for many is associated in the form of bearded uncles with RPG-7 on the shoulder. So, for the region is characterized by extremely low availability of PT funds in principle. And they are not particularly where to take them, because in the army (the main source of weapons in all civil wars and uprisings) they are also very metered. From current threats - there is protection.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: donavi49

So, for that region is characterized by an extremely small availability of funds in principle. And to take them especially not where, because in the army (the main source of weapons in all kinds of civil wars and uprisings) they are also very dosed. From actual threats - there is protection.

Against whom then is the 105mm? And for PT-funds, it will not take long to saturate the market. Proven by Stinger in Afghanistan.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

It also seems to me that the author messed up something.

[Medvezhya lapa over Ki]

105mm? Without rockets? Is it a tank? It seems to me that this is just a fatty BMP. I am not a tanker.

[Rebus]

Such a medium tank is usual, not MBT, so the armament is quite consistent. But with booking an obvious jamb, they saved on normal armor.

[g1washntwn]

Object 907 is an ordinary medium tank. This project would have modern technologies ...
https://topwar.ru/8071-opytnyy-sredniy-tank-obekt-907.html

[just exp]

what the hell is a medium tank?
the medium tank was a T-64 which had the same mass, only it had a 125mm cannon with an AZ and armor from a tank and not from an armored personnel carrier.

[poquello]

Quote: Medvezhya lapa nad Ki

105mm

but in the photo it looks like such a fool

[Medvezhya lapa over Ki]

In macro mode.

[Graz]

so it was built on the basis of the Turkish BMP

[Serge_SB]

There are rockets ....
http://www.army-guide.com/rus/article/article_2965.html

[boathouse]

BMP can move troops, but "This" only the crew, with the same reservation. But, I guess what the Indonesian army needs them for. They now have some serious problems with the Papuans in New Guinea, and those who are "armed" with only arrows and spears, there such armor will come off.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: varadero

They now have some serious problems with the Papuans in New Guinea, and those who are "armed" with only arrows and spears, there such armor will come off.

Against such an enemy, a wheeled floating armored personnel carrier with a 14,5mm KPVT is more efficient and cheaper.

[boathouse]

Actually, the "jihad-mobile" is enough.

[Nastia makarova]

Turkish technology is stealing))) where is the cry? Where are the opponents of joint development?

[boathouse]

"The armor of the hull and turret of the tank provides protection against an armor-piercing bullet of 14,5 mm from 200 m, but can be increased to protection against a 25-mm cannon projectile."
Is it a TANK? Am I not mistaken? Not a typo?

[Black sniper]

probably the Germans are very offended that such a "nedotank" was called "TIGER" ...

[K-50]

Booking the hull and turret of the tank provides protection against the 14,5 mm armor-piercing bullet with the 200 m, but can be enhanced to protect against the 25-mm projectile projectile.

To call a cardboard tank medium is strong !!!

Tank weight 32-35 tons

The T-34 with the same mass did not break through the caliber of 14,5 mm even at point blank range, but more than 70 years have passed since then.

[Kuroneko]

Well, he is average and is by weight, everything is correct. Modern light tanks usually have a mass of only 14-25 tons.
In general, classification is a subjective affair; everyone names it in its own way.
Our same Octopus-SD, although it is in fact a light tank (18 tons), is generally considered a self-propelled anti-tank gun.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Kuroneko

Our same Octopus-SD, although it is in fact a light tank (18 tons), is generally considered a self-propelled anti-tank gun.

In fact, Sprut-SD self-propelled anti-tank gun. And using it as a tank cannot lead to anything good, only to unjustified losses.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

In fact, Sprut-SD self-propelled anti-tank gun.

Here it - self-propelled gun.

And Octopus-SD, no matter how you look, there is a light tank. Like AMX-13, Type 64 and others. And about the losses - well, for half a century no one has been driving light tanks into a frontal attack. The light tank has its own tasks and application concept.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Kuroneko

This is a self-propelled gun.

This is not a gun at all. This is a worthless waste of the defense budget, or, speaking the language of those years, a stupid waste of public money.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Quote: Kuroneko

This is a self-propelled gun.

This is not a gun at all. This is a worthless waste of the defense budget, or, speaking the language of those years, a stupid waste of public money.

Explaining for the minusers. The photo shows "atomic artillery", which was not mass-produced due to the fact that it lost absolutely in all respects to tactical missile systems.
The idea is obviously deadlocked even at the stage of setting the design task. From this, the assertion that the implementation of idiotic projects is a waste of money.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Kuroneko

And about the losses - well, for half a century no one has been driving light tanks into a frontal attack. The light tank has its own tasks and application concept.

Could you elaborate on the concept of using the Octopus-SD as a light tank?

[Graz]

strange weighs a little less than t-54/55, t-62
and paper armor

[just exp]

It weighs like a T-64.

[NF68]

Neither MBT nor a lightweight platform that can be deployed by BTA.

[fa2998]

Quote: polar fox

strange booking for such a mass ...

He also paid attention. The T-34 first-26, then-32 tons, were considered anti-shell armor (for those conditions). This Tiger protects only from KPVT, and any small-caliber gun breaks through.

[Amateur]

Booking the hull and turret of the tank provides protection against the 14,5 mm armor-piercing bullet with the 200 m, but can be enhanced to protect against the 25-mm projectile projectile.

Is it a tank?

[dvina71]

This is BMP-3, according to capabilities .. only that is easier .. and swims ..

[donavi49]

Well, they know better. They have a BMP-3.

[Chever]

To the ford? IMHO, for Indonesia it would be nice to amphibian, given the geography of the country. Although the devil knows ...

[Julius Caesar]

Bulletproof armor, 105 mm jester, non-floating ... What kind of bath shame?

[Nic1980]

It’s strange to call a tank, all the more medium, rather it’s a tracked armored vehicle, a self-propelled artillery, but not a medium tank in my understanding.
To base the classification on the basis of the caliber of the gun and the mass of the machine itself is stupid, but what about security?