After the fire at Notre Dame: "Hugo, I'm sorry - you lost everything ..."

The French opposition has accused the authorities in an attempt to divert attention by a fire in Notre Dame de Paris - one of the main symbols of Paris - from protest actions. Recall that the cathedral, which continued the reconstruction, broke out the day before. According to some reports, it all started with the ignition of scaffolding.

The moment of the fall of the burning spire of Notre Dame

The fire led to the complete collapse of the spire of Notre Dame, significant damage to the supporting structures. Destroyed by fire hours.

According to some information, the main relic of the Catholic Cathedral of France - the crown of thorns of Jesus - was preserved. Other important relics were removed from the cathedral. About the location of their location is not reported.

A few comments from Parisians and tourists - guests of the French capital are presented below.

I have no words. What was built over a century, destroyed in just a few hours. And this is with modern fire fighting technologies! Or, of all the technologies, do we still have water and three dozen firefighters?

The Paris authorities did everything to lose what had been the beacon of European Christians for hundreds of years. I am waiting for resignations and the speedy restoration of the symbol of Paris and France.

Listen, it will come to the point that the Eiffel Tower will burn and melt tomorrow, and the contours of Paris will definitely turn into medieval ones.

Comment from Russia:

Hugo, forgive me - your everything (hereinafter “VO” uses the literary word instead of the author's) has been lost.

Meanwhile, in France began collecting donations for the restoration of Notre Dame de Paris.

The Macron rating, meanwhile, continued to roll down rapidly.

Comments

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

You can now build a mosque on the site of the cathedral. Anyway, no one in Gd believes there, except Muslims.

[Barmaleyka]

stupid and off topic

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Barmaleyka

stupid and off topic

In 1812, Moscow was burned because of the French. And no one called Napoleon to Russia. The United States destroyed Dresden to the ground and the Germans did not howl, but rebuilt the city from scratch.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

In 1812, because of the French, Moscow was burned.

that is, in 1814 it was necessary to burn Paris, and in 1945 to starve German children, did I understand your logic correctly ?!
The HERITAGE of WORLD culture burned out and this is a tragedy, not a reason for gloating

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Well burned out. For a building that is 8 centuries old, it is normal to be partially destroyed. This is the life cycle, such buildings are being rebuilt numerously. In the 19 century, for example, this cathedral was greatly rebuilt. Perhaps it is better to recall how many temples in Russia the Bolsheviks themselves destroyed?

[Barmaleyka]

once again, someone’s not very smart or vile action is not a reason to turn into a bastard yourself

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Maybe in solidarity with the French, highlight the Donetsk airport in the colors of the French flag?

[Keyser soze]

Maybe in solidarity with the French, highlight the Donetsk airport in the colors of the French flag?

Do you really think so or just a bad day? Both Notre Dame and St. Basil and Hagia Sophia are symbols of civilization and Christian Europe. Uchidnichat UTB is not just bad - UTB psychiatry. With pleasure slapped you minus.

[Telakh]

Less men had to get married.

[orionvitt]

[quote = Keyser Soze] [quote] Echidnaya is not just bad - it's psychiatry. [/ Quote]
Eating is okay. It is a pity the cathedral of course, but it is significant.

[Alena Frolovna]

orionvitt (Vitaliy)
It is a pity the cathedral of course, but it is significant.

Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
For a building that is 8 centuries old, it is normal to be partially destroyed. This is the life cycle.

At the beginning of the 20th century (even before the First World War), Proust wrote an essay about the murdered cathedrals of France, where, in particular, he expressed the idea: "The crisis of faith that swept Europe, the law on the separation of church from state, the expulsion of the religious spirit from the cathedrals will nurture a spiritual emptiness and these cathedrals will shine with dead beauty. "

“When I talked about the death of the cathedrals, I was afraid that France would not turn into a sort of sandy beach, where the giant carved shells thrown out by the sea, deprived of life that once filled them, can no longer even convey to their ears an unclear noise of the past and will simply cold museum exhibits, ”Proust writes in a note to the article.

It is as if written about today. And it concerns not only France.
It’s not worth gloating, but there’s no need to moan either. We have more urgent matters, problems and our pains.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Keyser Soze

these are symbols of civilization and Christian Europe.

If this is your shrine, then to whom did you entrust it and how did you protect it? The conclusion suggests itself - there is already nothing sacred. There is no longer any Christianity and no culture. There is only one's own ego and commercial interests. I do not remember the crushing of the Western press over Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. Compared to the destroyed monuments there, this cathedral is just a child.

[Keyser soze]

If this is your shrine, then to whom did you entrust it and how did you protect it?

Everywhere my shrines Ludwigovich. In Paris, Moscow and Sofia. God forbid what happens to you (to your shrine), because of this, it will also be bad for me.

no man is an island,
Entire of itself.
each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the least.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for them.

I can not translate John Donne into Russian. Read if you can ....

[stalkerwalker]

There is safety in numbers,
All of myself.
Every piece of the continent
Part of the core.
If the lump is washed away by the sea,
Europe is getting smaller.
Just as if there was a cape.
And also if from your estate
Or your friend.
The death of every person belittles me,
For I am involved in humanity.
Therefore do not let know
For whom the Bell Tolls,
He calls you.

[Yves762]

Quote: Keyser Soze

These are the symbols of civilization and Christian Europe.

Behind enta Europe, with its civilization, such a bloody trail in history still stretches (across the whole world, including across its territory) that, even if one makes efforts to oneself, it is impossible for a normal person to experience more heartburn, even with a suitably sad grimace.
Well, they are not the only ones. But the fact of the matter is that ....

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Maybe in solidarity with the French, highlight the Donetsk airport in the colors of the French flag?

my opinion about you is not possible to express in connection with the rules of the site

[Serhiodjan]

Listen to barmaley, do you really think that we should cry from this fact a la “hell ebdo” and so on? Have people been hurt? No. The building burned down, but a symbol but what it symbolizes - namely, Christian France has long been gone. So this is even a little symbolic and natural.
Someone here wrote about Hagia Sophia, which has long been under the Turks.
As a result, only the Vatican and Pokrovsky Cathedral remained.
What interests me the most is why, in the opinion of many (obscene), I should mourn the tragedy / comedy in the West but not pay attention to other parts of the world? Where were you barmales when Christians were slaughtered in Syria and destroyed their shrines? Yes, it was on your side, but here you see in France! the cathedral burned down, what a nightmare burned down the shed at your lords, we will sob for three weeks. Servility

[Petrograd]

Quote: Serhiodjan

Listen to barmaley, do you really think that we should cry from this fact a la “hell ebdo” and so on? Have people been hurt? No. The building burned down, but a symbol but what it symbolizes - namely, Christian France has long been gone. So this is even a little symbolic and natural.

Here I agree with you 100%, after the "abominations" of Charlie Hebdo, and given how many "refugees" there are from the east, I don't really believe in the accidental fire, after all (my opinion) arson.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Serhiodjan

Listen to the barmales, you really think we're here

you will poke differently and differently, I don’t care whether you cry or not, I won’t cry either, but I consider this a loss for everyone, and not just for the French

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Well burned out.

but if Saint Basil’s Cathedral burned down, would you also write ?!

[astepanov]

Meanwhile, the Russian Ministry of Culture suggested organizing the collection of voluntary donations for the restoration of Notre Dame Cathedral. Probably, offers of assistance will follow from the state.
Let me remind you that in Volgograd there is a restoration of the memorial complex on Mamaev Kurgan. The cost of work is more than 2 billion rubles. Did someone offer us help? After all, people died there, including for the sake of saving Europe, including the French. If someone forgot: France, of course, also fought - mainly on the side of Hitler.
And another thing: the restoration of palaces near St. Petersburg, destroyed by the Nazis, continues to this day. Does Europe help us a lot in this? Have all the loot been returned?
Presumably, the French will throw us new sanctions for offers of assistance in the restoration of Notre Dame.
Of course, I am sorry that the cathedral suffered, but to help the French (Cubans, Vietnamese and others) when the country does not have money to repair rural schools, roads, or housing for orphans, when it has become a shameful practice to ask for money for television treatment children, because the state does not care about them - this is wrong. No one will appreciate it. But the French themselves will manage, not hungry. Do you have extra money? Help the sick old woman, a poor student from the province, and they will gratefully remember you all your life.

[Buffet]

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[Krasnoyarsk]

astepanov (Alexey) One plus is not enough for you. Unfortunately, I can’t put it anymore.
I don’t remember something, that someone would help us even in liquidating the consequences of any natural disasters, and not that of fires and other restorations. They always did it themselves.

[Osya Bender]

When the Ostankino TV tower burned, the whole of Europe was joking. And now we are looking forward to funny cartoons of the Notre Dame fire from "Charlie Epdo"

[your1970]

Quote: Osya Bender

And now we are looking forward to funny cartoons of the Notre Dame fire from "Charlie Epdo"

already...

[Osya Bender]

What to take from Europe ... except for analyzes? - nothing sacred. This is the final diagnosis.

[Petrograd]

No comment +100500, Alex.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Barmaleyka

but if Saint Basil’s Cathedral burned down, would you also write ?!

Well, here it is. So it did not burn out. Tfu over your left shoulder.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Barmaleyka

but if Saint Basil’s Cathedral burned down, would you also write ?!

There is no gloating. There is no pity either. Just don't give a damn. Let them figure it out in their own country ... Restore. In history, there were countries that entire cities were rebuilding after Hitler refused to let himself in without a fight ...

[210ox]

It’s a pity this monument of history and Christianity. Another thing is why it happened. It’s quite possible and arson .. There are enough hoops in France.

[bouncyhunter]

Hello Dima !

Quote: 210ox

Another thing is why this happened. It is also likely arson.

For some, this fire is a tragedy. And for someone - an occasion to pour mud on an opponent and gain political points. So you're right:

Quote: 210ox

There are enough hoops in France

[cniza]

Good day to all , everyone catches their own "fish".

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: cniza

everyone catches their own "fish"

And he does not pay much attention to water quality.
Hi Victor!

[cniza]

And the more muddy the better.

[Partyzan]

Quote: cniza

And the more muddy the better.

And what scope for washing

[Ren]

Quote: 210ox

There are enough hoops in France.

Interestingly, where was Pyotr Pavlensky at the time of the arson?

[Nord2015]

Quote: 210ox

It is also likely arson .. There are enough hoops in France.

Maybe the migrants repaired? For them, this is not a shrine.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

If in the world to collect the tears of all who are dear to Paris, they would be enough to defeat the fire ... Very sad news.

[Winnie76]

Quote: 210ox

It is also likely arson .. There are enough hoops in France.

Not otherwise Pavlensky.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: 210ox

Another thing is why this happened. It is quite likely that arson is also possible. There are enough hoopoes in France.

Or maybe the one whose name the cathedral was named, looked at all these same-sex weddings and marriages, at taverns in rented churches, at pedophile priests and at the Islamization of France, and said: "No, guys, I've had enough! Burn it all blue here. flame ".
And the Cathedral is certainly a pity. Irreplaceable loss for world culture. Even if one-to-one is being restored, it will no longer be comme il faut.

[Lelek]

Quote: 210ox

Another thing is why this happened.

Hi Dmitry.
Interested in the reason? Mallard Ksyusha also became interested, conducted a thorough investigation and in a "harsh" form made a verdict. Show?

The cathedral is certainly a pity - one of the historical symbols of not only Paris, but also France. But the French must think in the power to restore it.

[a housewife]

It is a pity the Cathedral, because it is not so much French as it belongs to world culture. Nothing, something left. Restore. In our country, so much had to be restored after the war! Did the French help a lot? In general, they themselves had to watch, not a war! Here I have one bad thought. While Poroshenko and Zelensky did not go to Paris, nothing burned there. In addition - and who worked there? Not zarobitchane by chance?

[serg.shishkov2015]

our residents of Berlin issued food rations in which even coffee was !!! and my mother didn’t see bread in her village for weeks !! so that no one German children in 1945 did not starve to starvation !!

[Barmaleyka]

you forgive all read ?!
or just in a hurry to insert their five cents?

[georggy]

Paris was to be burned in 1814, and German children starved to death in 1945

Yes exactly. If you have already raised this topic.

[Sorokin]

Yes do not give a shit about your Paris with the Muslim population. As sagging under whom it is possible and sssy bending

[serg.shishkov2015]

when I read about Dresden for a week I couldn’t sleep well ,,,

[pyc.arpeccop tornado 150]

Aristarkh Ludwigovich Today, 07:50

The USA destroyed Dresden to the ground and the Germans did not howl, ...

But the cathedral was not touched.

Aristarkh Ludwigovich Today, 07:50

In 1812, because of the French, Moscow was burned.

In 815, Notre Dame did not burn, which means they were even better than others.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: pyc.arpeccop tornado 150

But the cathedral was not touched.

In your photo Cologne and the Cathedral of the Three Magi, really not affected by a miracle. In Dresden, the main cathedral of the city was destroyed almost to the foundation and only in the 1990 years, through the works and means of all Germany, was restored.

[pyc.arpeccop tornado 150]

Cathedral of the Three Magi, really not affected by a miracle

This is not a miracle, this is "divine providence".
The bombing of Dresden. Photo from here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden Bombing

One can see a cathedral in the distance. I will not guess what was in those days in the Soviet occupation zone. With something newer and more recently, we did not stand on ceremony quite recently.

[knn54]

Barmaleyka, I recommend: E. Chudinova "Notre Dame Mosque: 2048". Now it is perceived in a completely different way than several years ago. I heard that they shot the film.
PS Though Christ’s crown of thorns was saved ...

[Barmaleyka]

I don’t care who and how perceives, once again someone’s meekness is not a reason for me to turn into a barbarian

[Drzog]

The crown only as a historical artifact is interesting. From the point of view of holiness, any person is more important and more precious than any artifact. And we somehow forgot about people

[TAOW]

The war of France in Algeria has proved that it is one of those who, last but not least, respects the conventions and agreements it has signed. France behaved in the most criminal way. As proof, we quote the words of Simon de Povoir:
“Since 1954, we French have become complicit in the genocide. Under the pretext of establishing peace, we killed over a million people in Algeria during armed raids. We burned entire villages along with their inhabitants, slaughtered the population, removing unborn children from the womb, tortured to death. Entire tribes suffered from cold and hunger, dying from epidemics in concentration camps. About half a million Algerians died in these camps. ”
The executioners and bloodsuckers were sophisticated in bullying Algerians. Even the Nazis during the Second World War did not use the torture that the French committed in Algeria.
They were beaten with rifle butts, set trained dogs on them, fed their bodies to dogs, passed electric current through the most sensitive points of the body, forced them to sit on glass fragments, filled their bodies with water until their stomach swelled, and then jumped on them so that the water it began to come out of the mouth, ears, nose, with red-hot tongs, pulled out nails, burned eyelashes, took off scalps, rolled on the carpet, consisting of spikes, torn the body, tying one part to a tree, and the other to the machine.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: TAOW

The war of France in Algeria has proved that it is one of those who, last but not least, respects the conventions and agreements it has signed. France behaved in the most criminal way. As proof, we quote the words of Simon de Povoir:
“Since 1954, we French have become complicit in the genocide. Under the pretext of establishing peace, we killed over a million people in Algeria during armed raids. We burned entire villages along with their inhabitants, slaughtered the population, removing unborn children from the womb, tortured to death. Entire tribes suffered from cold and hunger, dying from epidemics in concentration camps. About half a million Algerians died in these camps. ”
The executioners and bloodsuckers were sophisticated in bullying Algerians. Even the Nazis during the Second World War did not use the torture that the French committed in Algeria.
They were beaten with rifle butts, set trained dogs on them, fed their bodies to dogs, passed electric current through the most sensitive points of the body, forced them to sit on glass fragments, filled their bodies with water until their stomach swelled, and then jumped on them so that the water it began to come out of the mouth, ears, nose, with red-hot tongs, pulled out nails, burned eyelashes, took off scalps, rolled on the carpet, consisting of spikes, torn the body, tying one part to a tree, and the other to the machine.

Spiked carpet woven themselves or sold where?

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Vol4ara

Spiked carpet woven themselves or sold where?

For sale. To stop chased cars. Included in the anti-terror kit, that is, the French had massively. How smart is he? Well, learn more ...

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Mikhail3

Quote: Vol4ara

Spiked carpet woven themselves or sold where?

For sale. To stop chased cars. Included in the anti-terror kit, that is, the French had massively. How smart is he? Well, learn more ...

Yes, such a device is on sale, only it is called "a strip with thorns", "road thorns", only a person who is not at all distant can compare it with a carpet, and the thorns there are one and a half fingers long, will stretch through, so that you study first turn to logic

[Mikhail3]

What is it called ... well, straight away! This is very important, emana. And I thought that the purpose of the bullying was to increase the health of the tortured, and to give them pleasure, and not a painful death! But you pointed out a mistake to me, you explained that from piercing a person with a long spike he, it turns out, will die! And so all this is absolutely impossible. Logician...

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Mikhail3

What is it called ... well, straight away! This is very important, emana. And I thought that the purpose of the bullying was to increase the health of the tortured, and to give them pleasure, and not a painful death! But you pointed out a mistake to me, you explained that from piercing a person with a long spike he, it turns out, will die! And so all this is absolutely impossible. Logician...

Namely, a person will die if he is thrown onto road spikes and dies almost instantly, and it certainly will not work to roll a person over them, but you, I look, have your own universe

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Barmaleyka

stupid and off topic

This is not a relic for me! I am not vindictive, but I remember the behavior of the French.

[Mikhail3]

You can now build a mosque on the site of the cathedral. Anyway, no one in Gd believes there, except Muslims.

stupid and off topic

Most of the churches in Europe are closed; a substantial part of them has been rebuilt, mainly in a brothel. The European clientele of this business especially likes brothels in churches, so the objects are profitable. Now they are trying to collect money from all over the world for the reconstruction of Notre-Dame-de-Paris into another brothel. So the topic?

[K-612-O]

In modern Europe, I would not be surprised. Now the nagging will go about multiculturalism, respect for Muslims, etc. and then "let's build a temple of all religions"
In general, a terrible tragedy, they built it for almost 200 years, stood for more than 800 and burned down due to idiocy.

[bober1982]

Quote: K-612-O

and because of idiocy burned out.

There is no idiocy, they got excited after all, nothing accidental happens. The catastrophe of Notre Dame Cathedral, as the death of Christian Europe, is a kind of documentary and official evidence.

[210ox]

What can I add ... For a long time they went to this .. To the death of European Christianity. From one extreme to the other .... From European fascism, to European tolerance (also a kind of fascism)

[bober1982]

The French are sorry - they were the first in Europe to start experimenting with - I mean the revolution, Louis XVI, the Temple of the Mind, freedom and brotherhood, and the like.
The result is logical.

[serg.shishkov2015]

you throw them such ideas in vain! R, C, I have nothing against Muslims, in * Artek * Tatar and Azerbaijani were my best friends

[knn54]

Sergey Borisovich. there is Islam, and there is Islamism.

[Roma 1977]

It is like "channel" and "sewer". It sounds similar, but there is a difference.

[Moore]

Everything is already thrown up to us.
E. Chudinova. "Notre Dame Mosque" 2005

[depressant]

No need a mosque ... But, apparently, God did not want to have his own home in the land of sinners ... He refused ....
For a long time my TV was turned off, but then I had to watch. Tears flowed themselves. I am a misanthrope and cynic. But nature and works of art - their death cause such pain, as if something native to you forever leaves. The death of Palmyra is an enduring pain. It was hard to see the frames. Damn it!

[Monster_Fat]

It is strange that, until now, the usual scream of the "global media" is not heard that the "hand of Moscow" is traced in the "hardley like" fire and that the "Bellingcat investigation" and "British special services" are not given about the fact that in "social networks "allegedly there are" many witnesses "that at the fire they saw Putin in a Phrygian cap, who, laughing madly, ran through the conflagration with a box of matches in one hand and a can of gasoline in the other.

[Partyzan]

Quote: Monster_Fat

It is strange that, until now, the usual scream of the "global media" is not heard that the "hand of Moscow" is traced in the "hardley like" fire and that the "Bellingcat investigation" and "British special services" are not given about the fact that in "social networks "allegedly there are" many witnesses "that at the fire they saw Putin in a Phrygian cap, who, laughing madly, ran through the conflagration with a box of matches in one hand and a can of gasoline in the other.

He was seen on the Eiffel Tower with a lute in his hands, where he recited poems about the fire.

[a housewife]

Is Putin the Emperor of the Paris Empire?

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Quote: Monster_Fat

It is strange that, until now, the usual scream of the "global media" is not heard that the "hand of Moscow" is traced in the "hardley like" fire and that the "Bellingcat investigation" and "British special services" are not given about the fact that in "social networks "allegedly there are" many witnesses "that at the fire they saw Putin in a Phrygian cap, who, laughing madly, ran through the conflagration with a box of matches in one hand and a can of gasoline in the other.

If not Notre Dame had burned down, but, say, Westminster Abbey, the first cries would have sounded before the first outbreak.
But even here not everything is "lost". Let's wait. Most likely, there is a loud-hearted tormentor with a "Russian trace".

[dr.star75]

Petrov and Basharov did not leave the country by accident ..... They are lovers of old spiers to watch ...

[spektr9]

You can now build a mosque on the site of the cathedral. Anyway, no one in Gd believes there, except Muslims.

I’m thinking, but isn’t this your action that brings so much hatred for the Gothic style building?

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Absolutely right. Especially in the morning I watched euronews. Ukraine, blue, and about the cathedral only with a running line and an incomprehensible 5-minute moo of Macron.

[sinnik80]

In front of the mosque should be a large area for worshipers. And there the streets are narrow, there is not enough space. Such a mosque will not fly up.

[Avior]

there is a fairly large area in front of the entrance.
but not huge

[Stas157]

The oldest cathedral has seen different things in its centuries. He witnessed (survived!) Hard times, wars, revolutions and the time of the Inquisition ...
And now all of a sudden, in the clear sky, not overshadowed by war and adversity, in the ultra-modern 21st century, when the level of forecasting, the prevention of accidental fires is much higher, and fire extinguishing technologies, the French are more than ever able to burn an 800-year-old cathedral - a symbol of European culture. What is it? Complete degradation or a sign from above?

[210ox]

In Smolensk there is a roving temple .... All hardships survived ... This is what it says. It's all about faith, or denying it ..

[volot-voin]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

You can now build a mosque on the site of the cathedral. Anyway, no one in Gd believes there, well, except for Muslims

The HERITAGE of WORLD culture burned out and this is a tragedy, not a reason for gloating

The cathedral is certainly a pity, but this is not a reason to help France to the detriment of the interests of its citizens. Themselves about .... so let them restore.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

In France there are so many Arabs, blacks and gays that soon all the cathedrals will be burned down. :-) Mosques will be built :-)

[210ox]

And gays will build WHAT ...? By the way, in "advanced" (to hell with them) countries ... in Christian cathedrals Svidomites are already crowned ... Christ is horrified ...

[Homer_J_Simpson]

And in advanced Holland, in churches (not all), public impulses do

[igorra]

What warriors, the same firefighters. They still have to study and study at firefighters.

[donavi49]

Well, they are pros, they quenched Behu out, right away 100% insurance. The cathedral was probably similarly extinguished. Even Trump was indignant about this in a tweeter.

[loki565]

Well at least they didn’t set fire themselves)))

[loki565]

Let the water carriers learn

[Vol4ara]

Quote: donavi49

Well, they are pros, they quenched Behu out, right away 100% insurance. The cathedral was probably similarly extinguished. Even Trump was indignant about this in a tweeter.

I decided that there was little oxygen, I broke the glass, what a fine fellow!

[your1970]

apparently the task was to restore there was nothing ...
Smashed the 1 window - so fill it with FULL (like a bathroom) ....

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Well, they are pros, they’ve extinguished Behu, immediately 100% insurance

Yeah ... Wander around like they put on pants ...
How many times have I seen our firefighters at work: in a fire they always RUN!

[bang]

Well, they’re pros, they’ve put out Behu,

Well, French firefighters do not like the German auto industry)

[savage]

Who? Russian firefighters? Yes, good teachers (winter cherry, lame horse, RUDN University dormitory ...)

[Dart]

do not confuse horseradish with God's gift .... There is fire safety for which you can be responsible in some place (well, or irresponsible ), but there is a fire service that eliminates just the consequences of such irresponsible.

[Osya Bender]

I deeply apologize for the amendment: firefighters are fire victims (i.e. Parisians), and fire fighters are firefighters.

[rotmistr60]

Nevertheless, this is a warning from above Europe, in which moral standards are completely rotten, and tolerance exceeded all permissible norms, sliding into obscurantism. Surprised by the behavior of Macron - the cathedral is still burning, and he shakes hands in the rear of the firefighters, who must fight the fire, and not make a picture for the image of the president.

[stalki]

Nevertheless, this is a warning from above Europe, in which moral standards are completely rotten, and tolerance exceeded all permissible norms, sliding into obscurantism.

Tongue removed God turned away from Europe is a fact.

[Osya Bender]

I agree with you guys. Well ... well ... well ... well ... well. All this western Sodom has already got God, but will they only understand?

[Galleon]

From whom he turned away or did not turn away - none of our business. Our business is that He does not turn away from us. Let’s less gossip on such topics, dear colleagues. Fasting calls us to such abstinence.

[Mikhail3]

And the fact that in the very first words of his speech he began to beg for money from "the whole world" did not surprise you? Here I was pleased. The whole essence of the present world is visible ...

[Matroskin]

Enough for YOU to carry the obscurantist idiocy. Any more or less significant event is used by various groups and individuals for their own purposes. Christians talk about punishment for lack of spirituality, the Chinese rejoice and talk about punishment "for the Yuanmingyuan Park burned down by Europeans in the 19th century," Muslims about punishment by Allah for Christians, political competitors about the government's criminal negligence. The sphinx's nose fell off, apparently this is a punishment for the Egyptians. In Moscow, in 2014, a fire in the library of the INION RAS, it is likely that historians were punished. You will also say that Hitler is punishment for the USSR, for the terrible crimes of the Bolsheviks (although there are such dolboslavs as well). The cathedral burned down! It's a pity. It is a world cultural heritage. It will be restored. And in two weeks the society will forget about everything and take up another event. And that's it!

[a housewife]

heavenly punishment only during natural disasters is obvious - lightning, for example. In other cases, people are to blame. In which the mind is eclipsed. Is this not punishment from above?

[Matroskin]

Lightning is a completely explicable physical phenomenon. I do not understand many believers who have a clear medieval consciousness (explanation of physical processes, the intervention of superpower). The farmer of the 19th century was quite enough, due to the lack of education, to explain that the wind was blowing, because this is the will of God. My opinion is that the believer needs to be engaged in the soul, and not to interfere in science. There is a theory that the Earth is a rational planet, but so far there is no evidence for this, it is a matter of faith.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Matroskin

I do not understand many believers who have a clear medieval consciousness

Yes, everything is simple: the little man is weak, he strives to beat everything for something, hang his life on someone - to rake it together more fun (albeit with fairy-tale characters).

[Roma 1977]

If the cathedral in Salisbury burned down, I would have thought it was Putin. And here Putin is probably all the same.

[depressant]

You shouldn’t be so. This is the death of great architecture. Is anyone at the sight of the deceased mocking? Only sorrow!

[loginovich]

Quote: depressant

You shouldn’t be so. This is the death of great architecture. Is anyone at the sight of the deceased mocking? Only sorrow!

Dear I agree with you 120%, but I will be pleasantly surprised if they do not find the Kremlin trace. I regret the cathedral too.

[BAI]

Is anyone at the sight of the deceased mocking? Only sorrow!

Not always. Look at the reaction of social networks of Ukraine to the death of people in the Donbass. (Yes, even on the Tu-154 in Sochi).

[Nastia makarova]

paid trolls are sitting in social networks !!! ordinary people were not happy except for some Bandera and in social networks it is created because of the trolls that everyone is happy about the tragedy

[BAI]

Well yes. Solid trolls. We’ve already remembered the plane, discussing the Foreign Ministry’s tweet:

Dinafreyja
@RedDinka
3 hours; 3 hours ago
In response @MID_RF @isabelledumont and more

Do not compare. There were killers on the plane
1 reply 0 retweets 12 Likes

https://twitter.com/MID_RF/status/1117928017953738752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1117928017953738752&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.rambler.ru%2Fworld%2F42041565-pozor-posla-frantsii-vozmutila-shutka-ukraintsa-pro-notr-dam%2F

[Nastia makarova]

which confirms my words about trolls

[rotmistr60]

In Ukraine, they already managed to make a pre-election "joke" - after Zelensky's visit to France, the cathedral burned down, and if he comes as president, the Louvre will probably burn down? There, that is not a tragedy, there is a reason for "jokes", mockery and even joy.

[voyaka uh]

I think one of these "yellow vests" and set fire. Among them are full of radicals - blacks and Arabs, some of whom are the resource of the Islamic State.

[engineer74]

Are you hinting at setting fire to the Reichstag?

[voyaka uh]

I do not exclude the possibility that radical Islamists set fire to the Cathedral.
Among the auxiliary workers there must have been quite a few low-paid immigrants.
And among them there could be a "martyr".
Security checks in France are very weak. The protection of such a "strategic" construction site was hardly serious.

[engineer74]

According to the results, we will see that if the nuts on the "vests" and other things are tightened, then 100% is a provocation of the authorities.
IMHO
The Cathedral is a pity, history, it is not only French

[Avior]

In the summer I was in Paris.
I did not see the guard as such at all near the cathedral.

[voyaka uh]

In France, security is a show.
Pompous cops with weapons, but no real security, few checks, few video cameras.
Israel and France have long severed ties on terrorism.
Any of our info directly sailed to the terrorists.

[Avior]

not far from the cathedral I saw a picture - there are several ordinary local policemen and some local special forces go past and greet each other, shocking contrast - tightened up, pumped up guys and crumpled unshaven slobs.
I observed a similar thing in Rome and Florence last year - against the background of local unshaven police officers, some army special forces were placed near the main tourist places - they were collected, well-toned, pleasing to the eye.

[voyaka uh]

In the french army
In addition to special forces, there are only two combat-ready divisions: the airborne and the Foreign Legion.
The French do not serve in both - in the Legion it is clear from the name, and in the landing they are recruited only from Normandy (Scandinavians) and Alsace (Germans).

[Altona]

Quote: voyaka uh

I do not exclude the possibility that radical Islamists set fire to the Cathedral.
Among the auxiliary workers there must have been quite a few low-paid immigrants.
And among them there could be a "martyr".

---------------------------
Lesha, I do not exclude that it could be cryptosionists who wish the destruction of traditional Europe. The cathedral is surely insured, it will be restored, in addition, all the same, many monuments are covered with a remake, aged antique stone and marble.

[voyaka uh]

"all the same, many monuments are covered with a remake," ////
----
The part that burned down - 13 centuries. Without any remake. But there is a part and
with the restoration of the 19th century. Since then there have been no repairs. The cathedral was in disrepair.

[Altona]

Quote: voyaka uh

The part that burned down - 13 centuries. Without any remake.

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Well, I was not there, just speculation. And so in Italy buildings are being trimmed with new marble panels, not all of course, for which there is enough money. Marble-pressed chalk, quickly deteriorates in the air.

[AU Ivanov.]

Why do the Islamists need this? But the anti-Islamists are on hand. Here you can raise a wave of popular anger. Or, as an option: destabilize an already unstable situation. It all depends on the imagination of interested parties - the main thing is to name the culprits correctly.

[Altona]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Why do the Islamists need this? But the anti-Islamists are on hand.

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Understand a flat paradigm. The question is a little deeper.

[AU Ivanov.]

We will wait for someone to be appointed guilty.

[Altona]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

We will wait for someone to be appointed guilty.

--------------------------
And who will get profit from the situation. Notre Dame de Paris is a business card of all of Europe.

[Rzzz]

Yes there was no terrorist. More terrible than any terrorist is an illiterate Gaster with a grinder. Here, 99% banal violation of PPB + the absence of any constructive protection and extinguishing systems.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: voyaka uh

I do not exclude the possibility that radical Islamists set fire to the Cathedral.
Among the auxiliary workers there must have been quite a few low-paid immigrants.
And among them there could be a "martyr".
Security checks in France are very weak. The protection of such a "strategic" construction site was hardly serious.

A very true remark - a professional from Israel is immediately visible. Yes, this is one of the main versions among the law enforcement agencies of France, but ... which is not strictly voiced in the European media.

[Uncle lee]

Ravshan and Jamshud cooked pilaf, a captain ...

[depressant]

Remember the image of civilization given by the Strugatskys in "The Doomed City": humanity is a huge muddy wave of mud, and culture is a thin foam at its top, a small, weak foam, without which one cannot live. Take away this little foam, and ... what is left?

[voyaka uh]

It's right. Genetically, the psychology of primitive people is still pressing over us. Hundreds of thousands of years of kill-or-flight evolution.
The cultural "layer" is genetically very thin - a couple of thousand years.
Therefore, there are many people for whom cultural values ​​mean nothing. They don’t even understand what their value is.
I have been to this Cathedral twice.
I especially liked to go upstairs, to the "chimeras" ...

[depressant]

Yes you are right. Along the way, I recall how the Hermitage was "restored" and the scandal associated with it. People sincerely don't understand what they are dealing with. I respect the Japanese. Who, besides them, had the idea to arrange a holiday admiring a flowering tree? This is already a kind of special elevation tradition that does not require material means for its creation, only the return of emotions. The Japanese will leave, the sakura will remain. The Cathedral is gone, the layer of culture is gone. Just memories ...

[BAI]

Why did he leave? Restore in a fairly short time.

[polar fox]

We have a lot of such admiration, only we are not Yapi and do not advertise our "rock gardens". On May, admiring the planting of potatoes. Massive.

[Ural-4320]

And many did not have time to see firsthand.
The news said the forest caught fire. Damn, they have been with us for 50 years, even like metal flooring. Was there really all the woods there?

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Ural-4320

The news said the forest caught fire. Damn, we have been with them for 50 for years, even like metal flooring. Really there all woods were wooden

Forests that were perfectly visible against the background of a fire flame are most likely duralumin.
Duralumin burns perfectly at high temperatures, as steamboats burn perfectly in the sea, and burn out completely, as happened with the roof, spire and clock of the cathedral.

[Ural-4320]

Thanks I'll know! Childhood was limited to carbide and dry ice. I did not reach saltpeter and magnesium. Then there was artillery gunpowder.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Forests that were perfectly visible against the background of a fire flame are most likely duralumin.
Duralumin burns perfectly at high temperatures, as steamboats burn perfectly in the sea, and burn out completely, as happened with the roof, spire and clock of the cathedral.

There, the main problem is not duralumin, but a dry tree of beams, of which there was a part of the structures, but so that they would light up like that without gasoline? hmm ... And then - the main problem came from the lead that covered the roof of the cathedral since the Middle Ages - it melted and drained down, causing the roof to collapse.

[donavi49]

There was a repair. Most likely bytovuha. But I do not exclude that they used all Libyans / Iraqis / Syrians as labor.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: voyaka uh

I think one of these "yellow vests" and set fire. Among them are full of radicals - blacks and Arabs, some of whom are the resource of the Islamic State.

I think so too, only "vests" have nothing to do with it. They already said that the monks asked 200 million euros for reconstruction, and they were given only fifty. On the basis of this greed, guest workers were apparently hired as cheaply as possible, and they roasted some caught pigeon (or cat) on the fire. Or they simply lit a fire for the sugrev, but the drunks fell asleep ...
This earlier work on a church or cathedral was also considered as an opportunity for a kind of religious ministry. So the churches of the century stand, do not collapse. The Germans planted tank cannons on the granite base of the Demidov Cathedral, but they didn’t pierce it, they only jerked it out. Well, now so ...

[voyaka uh]

"and they fried some caught pigeon (or cat) on the fire" ////
----
Alas! Upstairs, smoking, the use of electricity and welding were prohibited.
And it was checked.
The fire started upstairs after a while, as the workers left the cathedral.
In France, in the last two years, several churches in small towns have been set on fire.

[Mikhail3]

Thank. Very curious ...

[New Year day]

honestly surprised, thought the cathedral was made of stone. Now there are only stones left. Sorry

[voyaka uh]

In the Middle Ages there were no concrete beams. All floors are wood (under the plaster). Spire - a tree under copper sheets.

[New Year day]

Quote: voyaka uh

Spire - a tree under copper sheets.

saw falling

[Ural-4320]

Remembered 11/XNUMX and the Twin Towers. Then for some reason it was thought that the United States had jumped, but here it is pure regret about the loss.

[New Year day]

Quote: Ural-4320

and here is sheer regret for the loss.

it’s concrete and glass, and this is history!

[Ural-4320]

I mean that in 2001 the death of people and buildings was perceived as some kind of "reward for deeds" (God is not a fraer, he sees everything), but here, even if the plane also flew in, there are no such feelings, there is only the bitterness of loss ...
Probably age. But also your vision "this is concrete and glass, but this is history!" I fully support.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Silvestr

honestly surprised, thought the cathedral was made of stone. Now there are only stones left. Sorry

Not really stones .... I looked at the photos after the fire (from the ones available on the network), inside the cathedral it seemed like it wasn’t hurt, 2/3 of the roof, spire and clock of the cathedral were destroyed. The walls of the photographs are whole, although it is not known what is with the window roses of the XIII century, I hope soon more detailed photographs will appear .... in principle, the cathedral can be restored, the only question is how long it will take to restore.

[New Year day]

Quote: Aleksandr21

in principle, the cathedral can be restored,

without a doubt

[Avior]

the roof burned down.
a tree that is hundreds of years old dries strongly and burns easily

[Altona]

Quote: Silvestr

honestly surprised, thought the cathedral was made of stone. Now there are only stones left. Sorry

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I also thought, but there the decoration and floors are wooden, as in our houses, which the Germans were still building prisoners. Therefore, the spire covered itself so quickly.

[Avior]

there were no fire walls with dividing the attic space into parts, the space is huge, so it flared up until they noticed

[Proton]

I’ll tell you comrade citizens, you’ll have enough caressing your tongue, about a mosque and everything else.

My thought, so you can pour here all your statements.

[Ural-4320]

Well said, with a soul.

[silverwolf88]

And where are the caricatures of these Charlie ... something they suddenly free humor refused ...

[BAI]

And our Foreign Ministry already recalled these from Shebdo to the French.

In the comments on the DuPont tweet, the official account of the Russian Foreign Ministry was noted.

“Why are you surprised. Your school, ”Russian diplomats wrote, accompanying their post with a Charlie Hebdo caricature of the collapse of the Russian Tu-154.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: BAI

And our Foreign Ministry already recalled these from Shebdo to the French.

In the comments on the DuPont tweet, the official account of the Russian Foreign Ministry was noted.

“Why are you surprised. Your school, ”Russian diplomats wrote, accompanying their post with a Charlie Hebdo caricature of the collapse of the Russian Tu-154.

You can link or screen

[BAI]

Yes please:

In the comments on the DuPont tweet, the official account of the Russian Foreign Ministry was noted.

“Why are you surprised. Your school, ”Russian diplomats wrote, accompanying their post with a Charlie Hebdo caricature of the Russian Tu-154 crash. This is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/world/42041565/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

[BAI]

By the way - these uro (from the magazine) have already been noted:

[Archivist Vasya]

When they themselves will be shot to the end or burned ...

[bald]

"The light illuminated my sick soul ..." - it seems like not ours, but the soul for the cathedral for some reason trembled and not at the bee in ..., but in my soul it is a pity. And to hell with their politics.

[Ural-4320]

In the year 77-78, a sawmill caught fire next to our five-story building. It was in the USSR in Turnov. Firemen arrived and extinguished everything with foam. I was about 4 years old, shekets at all, and so the layer of foam was with my height. I would never remember if I had not gone into it and did not touch it with my hands. She was warm, thick. I learned as an adult that foam blocked access to oxygen in the fire. I can assume that the foam is an aggressive environment and there is a restriction in its application, but really, for so many years there was no need to create a neutral composition for such cases with world heritage sites?

[BAI]

Foam - the environment is less aggressive and does less damage than water. It is more effective, but more expensive.

[Ural-4320]

Could all the foam that they spent on extinguishing cost more than Notre Dame?
How much Europe has done in our country for all the time, but the death of such a masterpiece causes the most bitter feelings in me.

[Ural-4320]

Yes, what nonsense on the site, forever something in the text either disappears or changes.
It was in Czechoslovakia, Turnov - "the capital of the Czech paradise".

[Mikhail3]

There is such a composition, "dry water" is called. Yes, in this case, just powder self-triggering fire extinguishers (invented in Russia) would be enough. It's just a matter of attitude - how to collect billions from tourists, atk all for it, but how to equip all sorts of cathedrals there with fire protection systems is so "expensive".

[Avior]

Sympathy for the French.
A masterpiece of architecture, the cultural heritage of mankind burned, no matter what country it was in.
It makes a lively impression even without a discount on what was built in the Middle Ages.
The photo does not transmit this.

[K-612-O]

The brilliant past cannot put up with a mediocre present.

[Avior]

it was in the evening, they didn’t let tourists in after 6, there were clearly no workers either; Inside the roof could flare up until no one noticed.

and firefighters need to find out first.
The huge cathedral - photos of this are not transmitted - and built without any modern concepts and fire safety rules, it is not known what they could do.

[akunin]

our zomboyaschiks are indignant at why they didn’t extinguish from helicopters, because of the poor mind (not a fireman) I think that they were afraid to inflate with a downward stream of screws (it’s easier to restore the roof than frescoes and stained glass).

[Avior]

I think there was a problem that was burning inside the attic, and not outside.
and from helicopters or aircraft, as Trump suggested, this problem could not be solved.

[spektr9]

For 700 years I stood to myself who didn’t touch anyone, and they burned you

[Sergst]

Can any of the knowledgeable ones clarify the issue of the non-use of helicopters for extinguishing? The response of French officials that the mass of water could cause serious damage is highly doubtful. The water discharged from the helicopter after a few meters is not a huge drop, but a water cloud of a huge number of small drops. Is not it?

[spektr9]

If water were thrown off from a helicopter, it would not only catch fire, but also to neighboring areas, as a result of the thermal difference, the remains of the stained-glass windows and cladding would fall, and the building would suffer even more

[Sergst]

Quote: spektr9

If water were thrown off from a helicopter, it would not only catch fire, but also to neighboring areas, as a result of the thermal difference, the remains of the stained-glass windows and cladding would fall, and the building would suffer even more

[Mikhail3]

Not this way. A water cloud when extinguishing a fire is useless, the flame will not break, the temperature in the combustion zone will not reduce. Above a strong fire, there is a huge convective column of hot air, which repels all indecisive and weak attempts. Be 200 aircraft and others like that are so effective because they knock down the fire with a strong blow of water. Helicopter extinguishing is the same.
The use of turbo guns with foam would be effective, but a jet of foam would also cut the roof clean and would severely damage the top of the building. Yes, and flying debris in a large city ...

[alekc75]

wild frogs or something ?? because there is a composition for treating wood from fire !! or are they still in the stone age? even in our country they use something where, but what else has not reached this point ???

[BAI]

This is a chance and a godly gift for Poroshenko - to accuse Zelensky of arson, to arrest him for 5 days and release him with an apology immediately after the elections. especially since in Ukraine Zelensky has already been "tied" and the fire. The idea will find understanding among the masses.

[Amateur]

Not otherwise the roof was repaired by guest workers. Interesting from Moldova or Ukraine. As soon as Emmanuel was about to appoint a president in Ukraine, he immediately received a voice of God: "Poooooomniii Napoleonaaaaaaa." But the cathedral is a pity. It was built for 200 years, now it will be renovated for 300 years

[morpogr]

But Catholics began a passionate week yesterday. There is something to think about for French citizens and the authorities.

[atesterev]

And you need to restore Monfocon ...

[Alex_You]

Did Petrov and Boshirov even have a look at the spire?

[Sergst]

Quote: spektr9

If water were thrown off a helicopter ...

I'm not a bit about that. It is understood that quenching often brings a lot of damage. But, in putting out a fire it is very important to start putting out as soon as possible. Helicopters could begin to work before machines that drove for a long time. And this could fundamentally change the situation. Half an hour after the start of such a fire, we are only talking about the fact that neighboring buildings do not catch fire. And in the first minutes something else can be changed. I asked about this - the non-use of helicopters at the beginning of the fire is justified or is it an attempt to justify itself?

[Avior]

helicopters could not put out inside the attic, in the same place the roof was closed from above.
and the fire started precisely from there, and there inflamed.
the attic is huge.

[Dimon71]

We need to find out where the tourists Petrov and Bosharov were at that time.

[Flatter]

A serious warning: in the USSR, when Gorbachev came to power, disasters fell one after another on industrial infrastructure. Subsequently, they were left without industry. The cathedral is a symbol of faith.

[evgen1221]

There, it seemed like they wanted to change the lead roof, maybe the sheets were heated with burners to wedge the castle, overdone, overlap or moss burned under the sheets and then it went.

[midshipman]

I'm so sorry. Was there in the service back in 1981. Came to Paris on a business trip to the Tomon firm

[Maalkavianin]

Burned out and burned out. They will clean the soot, repair it and stand again. The walls then remained.

[antiaircrafter]

They will rebuild. French Bohaty.
If only ours did not climb with financing. Well, only if privately collected via SMS.

[HurdunVredun]

Art does not have a nationality ... Therefore, it’s a pity for such a beautiful work. I don’t regret the French who have so stupidly lost their world heritage. I survived the old man of war, revolution and pogroms in order to die in a rather peaceful time. Maybe this is a warning?

[Govorun]

Yes, of course, this is a loss of the cultural heritage of the country and the world, BUT WHO EXPERIENCED FOR THE LOSS OF THE CULTURAL HERITAGE OF PALMYRA, when militants destroyed and blew up columns with an arch, ancient temples and other great values ​​that are much more ancient than the cathedral in Paris, where these are all European experiences and recovery fees, where all these cries on the social networks of the Internet, except for Russia and Syria itself, no one experienced, and silently flowed to the militants, whom SAMA EUROPE and PLEASED, and now as they themselves touched, so immediately into tears and tears .. .me personally Al this cathedral but did not pity the country that is itself entangled in its values, forgetting the conscience.

[Olfred]

A sign from above? Apparently the one who looks at us from above is tired of this circus ...

[Laayoune]

And where are the caustic caricatures of all kinds of Charlie Yebdo? Such a worthy reason to fast, but there is nobody ...

[BAI]

Yes, there is already - I brought it above, I do not want to repeat their "work".

[LeonidL]

Already have - Micron with a haircut in the form of a burning cathedral.

[K-50]

Trynday Cathedral, Notre Dame. Such a landmark, world-class, have not been saved.

[Baursak]

In the 30s of the 19th century, before a grand restoration (or, more precisely, perestroika) of Notre Dame, there were serious discussions about the demolition of a dilapidated building and the construction of something more decent. Such a pite before the cathedral, as now, was not observed even among native Parisians. Mostly the remake of the 19th century burned down. Wringing your hands is not necessary, it is quickly restored with the modern level of construction technology.

[Bolo]

Well, where are the fresh cartoons from the funny French from Charlie ebdo?

[Avior]

in the branch above

[iouris]

It was necessary to help the French to preserve cultural values ​​before this fire. This fire is not accidental, it is significant. Enough to feed Europe, it is necessary to maintain their cultural values. Paris without Notre Dame is no longer Paris. And France is not the same. The money that Russia has invested for centuries in France, burned with a blue flame.

[prior]

Macron will be remembered as the president at which Notre Dame burned down.
There will be nothing more to remember about him.

[lukewarm]

Quote: prior

There will be nothing more to remember about him.

Why .... He gave himself a black man a slap on the shoulder, married his grandmother. What to expect from the bank bureaucrat who, by the will of the owners, flew into the presidency. As in general about the presidency of Medvedev, he made Schwarzenegger laugh and dance with Martirosyan.

[bolt]

Well, burned and burned ... Something I did not hear the French wring their hands about the burning and looting of Moscow in 1812. They did not repent, did not apologize, did not collect money for restoration.
But then the colossal historical and cultural values ​​of our people perished.

They did not care about the fate of Palmyra, the historical heritage of Iraq, they robbed Egypt, they did not care about the Christian shrines of Kosovo, 75% of the French welcomed the bombing of Yugoslavia.

And yes, Paris in the 1814th had to be burned!

Then in 1941, the Fritz would not have arranged for soldiers ’needles, stables and barracks in the temples and palaces of Peterhof and Pushkin. Would be afraid.

[lukewarm]

We are waiting for accusations from Moscow and personally "darkest" in the fire. The cord can again come up with something about "spiers-willy" and sing. And, yes ... "Today we are all Notre Dame." How without it ...

[NF68]

The French opposition accused the current authorities of trying to divert attention by a fire in Notre Dame Cathedral - one of the main symbols of Paris - from protests.

Is it also the maidan of the brain, but only the French version?

[Archivist Vasya]

It is a pity this famous historical relic !!!
It is sad that the French approached the reconstruction of the cathedral like repairing a station of some kind ... Especially if welding and electricity were prohibited there, then the accident in the household was canceled, then there was an intentional arson, sabotage. And even if so, then where is the guard !!! Negligence, pah.
And yet - what they did not hear about modern technologies of wood processing and other non-combustible impregnation? They even use it when they don’t save, of course, but what was stopping them?
PS Okay, God will forgive - they will restore. I remembered for some reason:
- What kind of mother? .. - Parisian ... Mother of God ... (c)

[LeonidL]

If something valuable suddenly lights up. that means someone really needs it! Look at the statistics of the growth of all kinds of fires in the Russian Federation. and even a day did not pass, the investigation was not completed, and Mr. Prosecutor made it clear that they didn’t set fire to it, it itself caught fire!

[pyc.arpeccop tornado 150]

During the Allied air raids, the Leipzig Cathedral was not bombed. Soviet troops did not touch the Konigsberg Cathedral. The Germans spared the Kiev Pechersk Lavra. The main Pskov shrines survived. Something had to happen in the worldview of people at the cellular level in order for this to happen. No need to go to a fortuneteller and wait for an examination - technological progress penetrates too quickly into people's minds, not having time to assimilate in all spheres of human activity. The things that were raised by the whole world yesterday, and built for decades, destroyed in hours, and a copy is built over the years and the price of this remake is corresponding. Tomorrow a new, restored cathedral will appear and its Pussy Riot will stretch towards it.
The price that France pays for the penetration of a limitless, global world order, destroying on its way the islands of the old world order with a patriarchal system of values ​​that restrained the penetration of filth into the consciousness of the people.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: pyc.arpeccop tornado 150

During the Allied air raids, the Leipzig Cathedral was not bombed. Soviet troops did not touch the Konigsberg Cathedral.

Just don't tell tales. In Leipzig and Cologne, the cathedrals suffered, although not as seriously as in Dresden and in Königsberg (I recall that some representatives of the Soviet government wanted to demolish him after the war, thank God that they abandoned this idea).

[pyc.arpeccop tornado 150]

Maybe the swabs themselves accidentally demolished the roof, and the spiers with the roof turn out to be wooden from them.

If you specifically aim, then be sure ...!



But I found two Leipzig, St. Nicholas and St. Thomas. It seems not a remake.




[/ Center]

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Russian aggressor tornado 150

Maybe the swabs themselves accidentally demolished the roof, and the spiers with the roof turn out to be wooden from them.

Maybe yes, an accidental hit, and a shell, not a bomb, is clearly not the target. And the roofs - yes, indeed, at the majority of European cathedrals, unfortunately, are made of huge wooden beams (often they have been standing from that time, from the 12-14 centuries), and during the reconstruction they are replaced with steel for a trivial reason - there are more such oaks and in general there are no trees of such quality and size ...).

[LeonidL]

Even the little-respected Mrs. Ksyusha Sobchak and that very adequately and correctly assessed the situation with the fire. For this, the liberals immediately attached the infamous title of "radical homophobic" to her!

[aries2200]

Heavenly punishment for aiding Ukraine in the split of Orthodoxy

[Nix1986]

I heard this morning, without irony, but it’s a pity, this structure is one of the most recognizable architectural monuments in the world (without regard to the fact that it is a religious building), such a layer of history and atmosphere of this country. I hope it will be quickly restored and we and our children will be able to see it more than once.

[Alexander Ra]

An interesting property of our consciousness - “masterpiece”, “grandiose”, “ingenious” - at the same time a complete abstraction from the origin of this “greatness”. And it stands primarily on the robbery of other nations by Europeans. Periodical invasions are recorded in textbooks on us, Europe is the birthplace of fascism, but ... Shine, height - and now European worship, we are ready to lose our hats under the height of spiers - symbols of European excellence, we are ready to lay down our tourist billions to the gilding of the EuroFacade, whose foundation is dried blood and the sweat of many nations.

[xomaNN]

I managed to visit Notre Dame last year. And I vividly imagine how much history inside was endangered and lost.

(*) But sloppiness during construction and restoration works is characteristic not only for us.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: xomaNN

(*) But sloppiness during construction and restoration works is characteristic not only for us.

If it were an isolated case - then yes. And so - the fact is that in France in recent years, SEVERAL cathedrals have already burned down, and all, as one, for unknown reasons due to negligence during the repair and restoration work! So everything is far from simple here - one case is one, but when there are several of them, this is statistics.

[lukewarm]

And here the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation is already bent down - it offered help in restoration.

[LeftPers]

Well, of course, we have no problems in the country, we need to help the NATO country, and they will introduce new sanctions in gratitude.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: LeftPers

Well, of course, we have no problems in the country, we need to help the NATO country, and they will introduce new sanctions in gratitude.

We must be fair - this NATO country does not expect and does not ask for help from Russia; in 5 days since Tuesday, more than 1 billion euros have already been raised for the reconstruction of the cathedral.

[LeftPers]

Yes, do not care about this cathedral, the world is crying "what a grief", something was not crying on the part of Geyropa when people died in a fire in Kemerovo or in the Lame Horse, and here, well, you must have "Henry got married", Louis was crowned "Yes, we are army, this is a country that imposed sanctions against us, this is a NATO country, this is a country that threw us on helicopter carriers, but don’t give a damn about her and all this rotten Geyrope. Let everything fall apart. spoil your vacation altogether past the checkout.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: LeftPers

Yes, do not care about this cathedral, the world is crying "what a grief", something was not crying on the part of Geyropa when people died in a fire in Kemerovo or in the Lame Horse, and here, well, one must have "Henry got married", Louis was crowned ", yes we are army,

Actually, Europe really mourned when disasters happened, you just are clearly not familiar with the Western European media.

And so, just for reference, for Orthodox Christians (of which the majority are in modern Russia), it is important that it was in this cathedral that the Crown of Thorns of Jesus Christ was stored (yes, that same one, and was removed from the former Byzantium in the 13 century, it is preserved), which is a sacred relic of common Christian significance. Therefore, if you - do not care about the fire in Notre Dame de Paris, then for a significant part of the population of Russia - not at all.