Russia will build an anaerobic submarine at the expense of India

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In 2019, Russia will still begin development work to create an anaerobic installation for promising non-nuclear submarines. India has to allocate money for it.





April 10 President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov said that in the year 2019 will begin work on the development of an air-independent power plant for non-nuclear submarines.

Early March Edition Flotprom reported that work on the creation of an anaerobic installation suspended due to lack of funding. Now there is money.
But not in the Russian budget.

First of all, it’s worth understanding why for the Russian underwater fleet This topic is important, but not a priority.

VNEU is now one of the main trends for promising non-nuclear submarines. And this is the main point, because for Russia the nuclear fleet is in absolute priority. That it is the main maritime element of deterrence for the United States and NATO countries. If at one time the United States focused on aircraft carriers, the Soviet Union, realizing that financially it would be very difficult for the country to deal with the Americans and their allies, made an emphasis on this element of the nuclear triad.

Diesel-electric boats also remained in the Navy, but the place they had prepared mainly on the outskirts. Their autonomy was several times lower than that of nuclear submarines, and they were also much more noisy. However, the appearance of the first boats with anaerobic plants changed the situation and attitude to non-nuclear boats.

Submarines from VNEU are virtually silent. Their principle is simple: electric motors powered by batteries, whose recharging can be done from diesel generators both on the surface and at depth, lead the boat forward. And if the previous generation of non-nuclear boats was much more noisy than nuclear submarines, then with the advent of air-independent power plants, the situation has changed to the opposite.

The second disadvantage of diesel-electric submarines was that their time spent under water was significantly lower than that of nuclear submarines on average of the order of 20 days against 60-90. However, a new generation of submarines with VNEU is able to remain under water for at least 45 days: such a period is announced, for example, for the Lada project.

There are several types of such installations, and different countries and companies choose their own. Sweden, for example, focused on the Stirling engine. The basis of the German boat engines of the 212 and 214 projects is an electrochemical generator and hydrogen intermetallide storage. Paris chose closed-cycle steam turbines. Our country has focused on installations with electrochemical generators (batteries).

Russia will build an anaerobic submarine at the expense of India

Battery BTE-50K-E on the test bench in the Krylov State Research Center

The fuel for the engines will be high-purity hydrogen, which will be produced directly on board the submarine by converting diesel fuel to hydrogen-containing gas, which will be supplied to fuel cells that produce electricity.

The development of the latter is engaged in the Central Research Institute of Ship Electrical Engineering and Technology. Electricity is produced by the chemical reaction of oxygen and hydrogen. The power of BTE-50K-E is 50 kilowatt, but now a more powerful electrochemical generator is in development - it will be able to produce a hundred. In total, the capacity of installations of promising non-nuclear submarines will be 250-450 kilowatts.

A hydrocarbon fuel converter is also under development.

The problem is that the Russian Federation is interested in such submarines, but to a much lesser extent than in nuclear submarines. A number of Russian enterprises (for example, Malakhit, which works on gas-turbine engines operating in a closed cycle, since 2010) were engaged in the VNEU in a proactive manner.

The decision came from India. New Delhi needed a new diesel-electric boat, and Russia offered it in February 2019 of the year. The Amur-1650 diesel-electric submarines is an export version of the Lada project. The project interested Indians who are ready to provide the necessary funding. This information, according to reports of the Mil.Press resource, was confirmed by Valery Polovinkin, scientific director of the Krylov State Research Center.

20 September 2018 of the year took place the launch of the submarine B-586 "Kronstadt", the second submarine project 677. It is these boats in the future is planned to equip the VNEU. Presumably, the engine should be ready in 2021 year.
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  1. +21
    April 13 2019 14: 35
    Recently, in the VO mod for delusional articles.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. 0
        April 13 2019 15: 02
        Quote: Mixalson
        Then Israel, etc. he he

        The Taiwanese newspaper Taiwan News told a sensational story about how North Korea several years ago proposed to Taipei to buy technology for a non-volatile power plant (VNEU) for submarines.
        1. +2
          April 13 2019 15: 32
          They will buy it in the DPRK, and it will remain. Everyone is happy.
      2. +5
        April 13 2019 15: 21
        Mixalson!
        Quote: Mixalson
        We are led by a man .. That we are not capable of anything without investment ..! And it is being pushed into the brain everywhere in the media!
        But they would not all go to FIG .. We all know how men?

        Well done! How exactly said!
      3. +4
        April 13 2019 16: 00
        We are able. Yes, only some do not think so. It may soon come that the ships and ships for the Navy will be on ali-express, i.e. in China to procure. Unfortunately, for our fleet.
    2. AUL
      +12
      April 13 2019 15: 54
      Quote: ultra
      Recently, in the VO mod for delusional articles.

      On April 10, the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, announced that in 2019 development work starts in an air-independent power plant for non-nuclear submarines.
      A year (or less) ago, there was already an article at the VO where it was reported that we had such an engine undergoing state tests, already foreign customers of boats with such an engine lined up!
      Submarines with VNEU are virtually silent. Their principle is simple: the boat is driven forward by electric motors powered by batteries, which can be recharged from diesel generators both at the surface and at depth. And if the previous generation of non-nuclear boats was much more noisy than nuclear submarines ...
      And dizelyuhi under water on what are they, the author is aware of?
      And the work of a diesel engine under water to recharge the batteries - does it add noiselessness? Rumbles after all, like all diesel!
      I will not write about the Indians as partners, with their moodiness, unpredictability and thirst for freebies. And why they do not want to buy boats from VNEU from other countries where these projects have been worked out for a long time and are mass-produced, and they contact us when it is still unknown when and what will come of it. And whether they will communicate, by the way - is also a big question. They can conclude a contract and immediately refuse it.
      Yes, the author is a journalist! One of the oldest professions ...
      1. +3
        April 13 2019 18: 18
        Quote from AUL
        They can conclude a contract and immediately refuse it.

        Today, as the article says, VNEU of various types are developed. These types of plants, in addition to the principles of operation, are also distinguished by the complexity of operation. That installation, which can be safely operated in the German Navy, in the Indian Navy will drown a boat with a crew. And the Indians are aware of this. Therefore they do what they do.
      2. 0
        April 14 2019 12: 46
        I will not write about the Indians as partners, with their moodiness, unpredictability and thirst for freebies.

        A freebie is what someone wants without paying money. get hold of something. India gives money.

        And, in general, propaganda has already gone by itself. He shouts that now, Armata, Altaira, Kurgan, MS-21, Angara missiles will go into operation, and then the Russian ministers say that nothing will happen, they say it's expensive.

        The ears of the SU-57 have been buzzing for ten years, they say tomorrow or tonight, but India did not give money and the project ended. Now similar with VNEU.

        And all because of the sanctions on investments in the budget of the Russian Federation there is no money for ambitious projects. Well, only if India does not finance.
    3. +2
      April 13 2019 16: 17
      Yes, the article is delusional, noisy diesel-electric boats, probably in vain they called ours a black hole, and in a fleeting sea battle in modern conditions this indicator is not the main one for strategists. I faintly imagine in modern warfare how NATO anti-submarine ships chase a small boat for a month
      1. +34
        April 13 2019 19: 22
        Quote: Warrior-80
        Yes, the article is delusional,

        It is difficult to disagree with this statement! Much was noticed by the colleague AUL (Alexander), but I would like to clarify a little, for clarity.
        1. Diesel-electric submarines under water on a low-noise electric ship PLA. But it discharges the AB 3 days before the minuscule; 4,0 knots can travel 400 miles (the last - 560-620M), and 17,0 knots can travel only 8 hours! Therefore, it is completely incomprehensible where the author took the 20 days of the DPL's stay under water? without connection with atmospheric air. You can walk 8 miles under the RDP, but this is not "scuba diving", but the crossing of the river along the bottom of an elephant with a trunk raised to the surface.
        2. To increase the duration of scuba diving DPL there are 2 principal ways: increasing the capacity of the battery and charging the battery under water without ascending to the surface, or moving under water at small strokes under the VNEU.
        There is also a third way - WOW-6 (Dolezhelya Egg), but this is nuclear energy.
        3. Why naval submarines? The answer is simple: It is cheaper than PLA in 4,5.
        4. ECH is not a "battery", as the author believes. And our VNEU uses "hydrogen", not hydrogen-containing gas. Everything depends on the purity of hydrogen, for there is such a phenomenon as "poisoning" of the anode. That is why they are made from platinum-containing alloys and the hydrogen should be as pure as possible. And hydrogen does not enter the fuel cells, as the author believes, but is stored in them in a bound form.
        5. An interesting question to ask a colleague: "And why do they not want to buy boats with VNEU from other countries, where these projects have long been developed and are mass-produced, but contact us when it is still unknown, when and what will come of it." The Hindus tried to outsmart the paddling pool. We ordered 6 Skorpen - 4 in the DPL version and 2 with VNEU. So the latter cost exactly the same as the first 4! Then, there is no talk at all about the localization of the production of non-nuclear submarines with VNEU at Indian enterprises and the transfer of technology! And the only thing is that MESMA (on ethanol and cryogenic oxygen) replaced the nuclear power plant for the production of steam! At the same time, it is noisier than Stirling, which in turn is 2 times noisier than the German VNEU at the EHG. Ours promised the installation is practically silent, with direct generation of electric current from a chemical reaction ...
        6. South Koreans took the path of equipping their submarine KSS-III Li-ion AB, which was developed by DAPA for 30 months. The boat was launched. It was built by the company "Deivo Shipbuilding + Marine Engineering". The boat has: L = 83,5m; d = 9,6m; W = 3358 / 3705tn; V = 12/20 kn; Swimming - 10 miles! and in addition to 000 (?) NTA also has an UPV with 6 cells for RCC. The idea with the UPV "Koreis" was undoubtedly communicated with us (6pr, and Amur-885). the Americans also sinned them on Elks.
        So, the Indians looked at all this disgrace and crawled "back" to the generous Russians. "Arias" after all, brothers! their mother Shiva in the swing !!!
        1. +13
          April 13 2019 20: 55
          Listen, Alexander, your post actually replaced the above article!
          This is the quintessence of information on submarines. Can not be so ... laughing

          I'm getting my hat off! hi
        2. +1
          April 13 2019 22: 18
          According to the descriptions in the article, the French VNEU are a turbine powered by steam, which in turn is heated by the products of ethanol combustion. Most likely, there is a reduction gear for connecting a generator, and even an exhaust system from the combustion chamber overboard ... This whole economy is noisy. Moreover, where will the bubbles from combustion products go? They will only expand with the rise from the depth. There is a possibility that they will dissolve in water, but not a fact. Then, during prolonged immersion, and it is claimed up to 18 days, it is necessary to somehow maintain the gas composition of the air in the compartments. A simple supply of air is no longer enough, you need CO2 absorbers, an installation for the extraction of oxygen from water, etc. etc. Here's how to place it on a diesel submarine during modernization without reducing payload and space? Now, if the submarine were immediately designed for the use of VNEU, then there are no questions. And if you cram in additional equipment, then this raises questions about buoyancy and stability. If the submarine body remains unchanged, to insert something extra, you need to throw out something "extra". Well it is, thinking out loud.

          That's what I wrote in the topic about Agosta, which appeared here about a month ago. So it was not wrong. And you can imagine what will happen with the leakage of oxygen.
          1. +1
            April 14 2019 05: 23
            How tenacious in "human heads" Stereotypes! For some reason it is necessary to mention "oxygen", "exhaust gases", etc. ?! Is it hard to imagine VNEU without the use of oxygen? There is such a thing as "heat accumulators"! Until now, there were known "containers with molten metal salts", but recently there was a report on the creation by Australian (?) Scientists of "heat accumulators" based on silicon, which differ from the "previous" by a number of positive "nuances" ... "Heat accumulators" is the basis ("heart"!) of a new type of VNEU! 1. Accumulation of heat in "batteries" can be carried out using a turbojet engine or "heat guns" ... 2. An inert gas or easily evaporating liquids is passed through the "heat batteries" ... 3. The generated steam or heated gas enters: a) a Stirling engine; b) a steam (gas) turbine plant ... It is possible to create on the "basis" of such a VNEU a single construct, VNEU-submarine, without "stirlings" and turbines! Peltier!
        3. +2
          April 14 2019 05: 43
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          hydrogen does not enter the fuel cells, as the author believes, but is stored in them in a bound form.

          belay ??? Translate, sir! hi
          1. +1
            April 14 2019 12: 16
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Translate, sir!

            Oops !!! Sori, thought about metal hydride plates, and wrote about TE ...
            Once again, sorry, it happens ... Thank you for your attentiveness, it is very important for TRUTH!
            But about the "hydrogen-containing gas" entering the fuel cell - you are wrong. The anode will quickly be poisoned, because the gas will probably contain both S and CO2 ... Therefore, such a gas will need to be "purified".
        4. +1
          April 14 2019 06: 08
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          our VNEU uses "hydrogen", not hydrogen-containing gas. Everything depends on the purity of hydrogen,

          Let it be so ... clean ... But there is VNEU, where hydrogen is "extracted" from diesel fuel "... and this means that it doesn't matter: first, it decomposes in some kind of" catalytic reactor " "to" hydrogen-containing gas "; and afterwards it can be cleaned! wink
          By the way, I once mentioned in one of the comments that the British were creating an experimental ECH, where the fuel (gasoline ...) was fed directly into this ECH ... (well, air ...)!
          1. -1
            April 14 2019 10: 35
            It is much easier to extract hydrogen from seawater.
            1. 0
              April 14 2019 12: 53
              Quote: gridasov
              It is much easier to extract hydrogen from seawater.

              Of course, it is "easier" ... if there is a nuclear power plant on board, which generates a cloud of electricity through the STU and onboard electric generators ... But the trouble is: you need not hydrogen, but electricity for the submarine movement of the submarine.
              1. 0
                April 14 2019 13: 40
                Correctly say! Hydrogen is needed as an integral part of the process, and not a product of accumulation and further use. In addition, we need not pure hydrogen, but its isotope separated from oxygen, which in the device and at a new stage will already interact and give out a moment of force on the rotation of the rotor. In addition, this process is accompanied by dynamical flow outflow and surface ionization. After all, everything is simple. Modern induction coils form a magnetic flux from the applied energy from external sources, and in our case, we get the magnetic flux from the movement of water. The reactor and the generator and plus the propulsion in one monoblock device. Therefore, we are talking about an almost perfect VNEU and I clearly understand why no one will create it. Because in order to harmonize the processes, you first need to understand the essence of such harmonization.
                1. 0
                  April 14 2019 14: 18
                  Again, the nuclear power plants carry out what process? They heat water and then steam is passed through a separate device, a turbine, etc. and with such technology it is impossible to provide either the density and concentration of energy itself. It will be lost all the time on various transients. Therefore, everything should be in one monoblock and reactor and turbine and generator. I don’t know how you are, but I perceive the underwater vehicle as a spacecraft and the whole set of tasks to be solved can be transferred to various environments. But this is a separate issue.
                2. 0
                  April 15 2019 17: 17
                  Quote: gridasov
                  In addition, we need not pure hydrogen, but its isotope separated from oxygen, which in the device and at a new stage will already interact and give out a moment of force on the rotation of the rotor. In addition, this process is accompanied by dynamical flow outflow and surface ionization.

                  Enchanting nonsense. What hydrogen isotope do you need here? Deuterium? Tritium? The Russians, like the Germans, chose this path: first, in the reactor in the presence of a catalyst, incomplete combustion of the solariums takes place according to the formula С8Н16 + О2 = СО + Н2. CO + H2 is the so-called synthesis gas, then carbon monoxide is separated from hydrogen, carbon monoxide afterburning to carbon dioxide with its further removal. Well, hydrogen, of course, is burning in a fuel cell to produce electricity. Here is the question - where to remove carbon dioxide from a closed submarine? Potentially, in such a combustion, diesel engines are twice as efficient as in combustion of diesel engines in an internal combustion engine, but there are a lot of technological and technical difficulties there. Starting from the moment that all the catalysts in such reactions are only from rare-earth metals such as platinum. But the developments in this after all may be needed in the civilian economy, in the same automotive industry. For me, so the consumption of my diesel fuel is about ten liters per hundred kilometers - well, too gluttonous, in the courtyard of the 21st century
                  1. 0
                    April 15 2019 18: 08
                    Nobody argues that such an option is possible. You’re a compliment. You noticed that it is really easier to decompose water into its constituents in its isotopic state. How is it done, what to do it in a cycle of the sequence of all processes. But the main thing is that? That the source of energy is sea water. In your case, you need to store and store fuel and use the volume and weight of it in the size of the boat. Oh, it's not good.
        5. 0
          April 14 2019 13: 36
          Good comment. There is only one remark that the KSS-III submarine is a boat with Fuel Cells. I am sure that you know about it, but some may decide that it is on the same batteries. And on some batteries, even at the maximum indicated by you in 620 miles on 4 nodes - the first U-212 give exactly twice as much on the same 4 nodes.
          There is another financial question: Where's the money? Those who went to Rubin for so many years (and already from them at the Central Research Institute of Set, and beyond)? Sawed, sawed, but not sawed. How much money was specifically spent - I do not know. I heard that a lot, but it is at the level of rumors. But in time, sorry, one sheer disgrace. Fuel Cells already stand on production cars and give out 113 kW of electric energy (like Toyota's Mirai). That's where the Fuel Cells have already gone. Well, the money spent is the usual thing, but the time can not be returned.
          I believe that the Indians agreed on the condition that they transfer to us all our developments on the Fuel Elements. I have the feeling that the remnants of the hopelessness are selling out. Not that I regret, no. Why does good disappear? It’s just that now India will also go around us, scramble over our shoulders, and go up.
          And the article - ....!
          It is these boats in the future that it is planned to equip VNEU. Presumably, the engine should be ready in 2021 year.

          Which engine?
          1. 0
            April 14 2019 14: 32
            Fuel cells themselves have a huge development potential, so to speak. But almost everything is worth it because there is no theoretical justification for how to develop the technology. Mankind generally relies on technology plus and minus and to explain what a multipolar distribution of potential or multipolar logic is, those who are not ready to hear it, simply cannot
            1. +1
              April 15 2019 16: 48
              Quote: gridasov
              Fuel cells themselves have a huge development potential, so to speak. But almost everything is worth it because there is no theoretical justification for how to develop the technology. Mankind generally relies on technology plus and minus and to explain what a multipolar distribution of potential or multipolar logic is, those who are not ready to hear it, simply cannot

              Sorry, dear. I did not understand any of your posts here. Or you write so abstrusely that I do not understand anything, or you write nonsense, which is more likely
    4. 0
      April 14 2019 21: 57
      Yeah, comparing the noise of diesel and nuclear submarines is already too much.
  2. +7
    April 13 2019 14: 36
    But it won’t work out like with a 5th generation airplane project. It's sad that we are looking for development money on the side. However, the Indians in the 90s helped with the T-90 ..
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      1. +3
        April 13 2019 14: 54
        Yes, world Jewry is now ALL controls ..

        And where does the Jews, when our own and all stolen, that there is no money, but you hold on?
        1. +13
          April 13 2019 15: 02
          Yes, here in our country it is not clear what is going on ... There is already a Russian language teacher on trial for extremism. She called a citizen of Uzbekistan, the mother of one of the students, "boorish" and advised her to learn Russian ... ..
          1. +8
            April 13 2019 16: 24
            Yes, here in our country it is not clear what is going on ... There is already a Russian language teacher on trial for extremism. She called a citizen of Uzbekistan, the mother of one of the students, "boorish" and advised her to learn Russian ... ..

            But what can we talk about when in the country a federal judge, Elena Khakhaleva, has judged 18 people for years without a diploma!
            What is the bottom line? After two years of "investigations" she was simply demoted in court. All!
          2. +3
            April 14 2019 00: 36
            Quote: 210ox
            extremism judged

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          1. +1
            April 13 2019 15: 59
            Mikhanishche, go! Disperse them all there ... For a long time I have not seen ..
      2. -3
        April 13 2019 15: 06
        Quote: Mixalson
        Yes, world Jewry is now ALL controls ..

        Not long left. Western Satanism - from several months to 1.5 years, Eastern - a little more, for several months. The common, serving as a breeding ground for both branches is a little more, but Iran will do its job
        1. +5
          April 13 2019 19: 32
          Quote: Simferopol
          but Iran will do its job

          "It would be better if you were a HYPERMIC, not a hypersound!" (at)
          Colleague, do you seriously believe that Allah is akbar !?
          And that TMB may inadvertently happen - does it bother you?
          Yes you, I will look, the courageous person!
          One would like to ask in the words of O. Bender: "In which regiment did you serve?" (from). laughing
    2. +1
      April 13 2019 14: 56
      Quote: 210ox
      But it won’t work out like with a 5th generation airplane project.

      Exactly. "Vague doubts torment me." © The exceptional will stick, sing sweet songs and carry the Indians ...
    3. +4
      April 13 2019 15: 20
      Quote: 210ox
      It’s sad that we are looking for money on the development side

      And mattresses for the F-35 project were not looking for investments from other countries, no? How many countries were involved in the F-35 program?
      Quote: 210ox
      However, the Indians in 90 helped with the T-90 ..

      I think Armata is waiting for the same fate. First, export, then to myself.
    4. 0
      April 13 2019 16: 51
      Quote: 210ox
      But it won’t work out like with a 5th generation airplane project. It's sad that we are looking for development money on the side. However, the Indians in the 90s helped with the T-90 ..

      Well, they especially helped to save the aircraft industry of the Su-30MKI. I hope that the epic from VNEU in 2 years will come to an end in the form of a finished product of VNEU.
    5. -1
      April 13 2019 17: 55

      India will buy 500 Russian T-90MS tanks
      Enough for Armata and Su-57 ...
      1. +4
        April 13 2019 18: 47
        Your words, yes to God in the ears ... Otherwise, they will throw money into ...,. "Roscosmos" ...
        1. +1
          April 13 2019 18: 56
          “Man assumes, but God disposes” - translation of the Latin expression Homo proponit, sed Deus disponit from the theological treatise of the monk Thomas of Kempius (1379-1471) “On the imitation of Christ”
  3. +8
    April 13 2019 14: 41
    Money must give her the Hindus.

    Stupid author - kill yourself. fool Hindus are those who profess Hinduism. Correctly call the inhabitants of India - Indians. Once again, the inhabitants of India are Indians. In India, besides Hindus, there are Muslims (200 million), Christians, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists and animists - that is, not Hindus. And if you call them that, they will at least not be happy. negative
  4. -4
    April 13 2019 14: 50
    And why Indians do not buy from the Germans, otherwise it will be like with a Su-57
  5. -1
    April 13 2019 14: 52
    Yes, in fact, we’ll do it without Indians ... there will be their financing - well ... but they will change their minds - okay ...
  6. +4
    April 13 2019 14: 58
    Nichrome understood nothing. Last year it was reported that VNEU is already being tested at the stand and are preparing for experimental installation on a carrier. And there were 2 competing developments. And now they write that there is money, can you start developing? Where is the truth?
    1. +3
      April 13 2019 15: 04
      Quote: Berkut24
      And now they write that there is money, can you start developing? Where is the truth?

      maybe so?
      The last one and a half years of work on the creation of VNEU in KB "Rubin" is not carried out. The project was frozen indefinitely due to insufficient funding. They continued to work on it proactively, that is, without external funding. And now, according to the "malachites", fully functional prototypes that use a closed-cycle gas turbine engine already exist. But the fact is that they, as before, are intended for small tonnage low-speed boats
      1. -1
        April 14 2019 10: 42
        I have repeatedly said that laboratory single and positive physical effects in absolute cases do not scale. And surprisingly, this is not perceived. Our basic principles, on the contrary, increase efficiency, or rather, are not proportional to the growth of parasitic effects
    2. 0
      April 14 2019 22: 02
      The truth is that even japas are switching to new polymer batteries and beta-voltaic batteries are on their way. The technology of diesel fuel reforming is no longer relevant.
  7. +2
    April 13 2019 14: 59
    I studied with the Indians. I will say this: Nothing comes of this venture.
    1. +3
      April 13 2019 15: 58
      And I worked with them! I confirm! laughing
      1. +4
        April 13 2019 17: 19
        And for 15 years I have been dealing with their projects every five years. And always with the same result - zero.
        1. +1
          April 13 2019 17: 26
          And you can’t say that they don’t catch mice ... Just mice are caught very deftly, I saw it myself laughing
          1. -1
            April 13 2019 20: 10
            And do not say that they do not catch mice ... Just mice are caught very deftly

            And not to say that they do not catch mice ... Just the mice are caught very deftly, with their feet ... But everything that they do with their hands ...
    2. -1
      April 13 2019 20: 30
      "I studied with Indians" ///

      These are not those Indians. laughing
      Wunder Indians exist and study at Harvard / Oxford and later
      command corporations in Silicon Valley and in their homeland.
      1. 0
        April 14 2019 10: 49
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Wunder Indians exist and study at Harvard / Oxford and later
        command corporations in Silicon Valley and in their homeland.

        It is so. How then asked a black man: "And what for do you need in our techies learn Oooo, I'll fly home, respected man become?"
    3. 0
      April 14 2019 10: 45
      This is not surprising. If a person is considered as an intelligent machine, then the effectiveness of his work in the aspects of creativity requires appropriate system conditions that will provide them. So the Slavs more correspond to this precisely because they constantly live in harsh conditions of survival.
  8. -1
    April 13 2019 15: 00
    Another miracle and the fleet is saved!
    The Indians won't let you down. And the money will give how much is needed.

    They almost bought a fighter, and they’ll almost buy a boat. And almost win ...
  9. +1
    April 13 2019 15: 12
    On April 10, the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, announced that in 2019 start development work in an air-independent power plant for non-nuclear submarines.

    I thought the work has been going on for a long time and will soon wait for the result, but here they say that the work is just starting. sad
    I really wanted to "go", but here they haven't harnessed yet. belay
    1. -1
      April 14 2019 11: 03
      And do not harness and do not go. They do not even have the validity that everything will work as desired. Remember my words in five years
  10. 0
    April 13 2019 15: 26
    On Indians where you sit down there and get down. They can still take a couple of steps back.
  11. +1
    April 13 2019 15: 29
    In Germany in 2005, submarines with anaerobic engines were launched. The Rubin of Pitersky has been engaged in similar engines since the 90s. Ulita is going, someday will be.
  12. +1
    April 13 2019 16: 02
    Another bottom is broken. India has money, Russia has no money. And after that we will oppose ourselves to the whole Western world?
  13. gel
    +2
    April 13 2019 16: 06
    Skolkovo to hell overclock and money will immediately appear
    And you can also finish the RAS - also dormoids with zero returns for bread positions ..
    1. 0
      3 March 2020 20: 26
      And what is Skolkovo only? It is necessary to disperse hoo how many structures .... To restore order in the country. Do you know why Old Man is rustling at the price of gas and oil? It's a shame to him, you know. He sits on pipes through which both are driven. And he does not pay extra for the run. I will explain. For 2015, for example, our FCS reported that oil was pumped to Germany for, for example, 9,5 billion US dollars. And German customs reported for the same period that they accepted the same oil for 29,5 billion cu Do you feel any gesheft? The same picture is with oil supplies to the USA .... But Old Man is paid only from 9,5 billion ... Here, if a person respects himself and manages his position honestly, and you will not be so stubborn. Although, if you recall the Belarusian anti-sanction shrimp, it’s clear why it’s silent about the numbers. He thinks again to cash in on someone else's (in this case ours) misfortune ...
  14. gel
    +4
    April 13 2019 16: 18
    I read somewhere that it would be better for the submarine fleet of the Russian Federation to use small-sized nuclear reactors, especially since they were tested
    1. 0
      3 March 2020 20: 54
      I will question your assumption. Most importantly, the cooling system for such a reactor is not publicly announced. If we assume that such a reactor is made by analogy with the Lira-type submarine, then familiarize yourself with the shortcomings of this, in fact, unique and in the future will certainly be in demand, the reactor. Liquid metal is used as a coolant in the cooling circuit, for which, so that it does not freeze, the reactor must operate at at least 30% of its capacity even when parked at the base. That is, this reactor is good for "Poseidon" - it started up at full power and that's it, my head doesn't hurt, how to use it when the boat needs to lie on the bottom. But for low-tonnage submarines intended for service in the Black Sea, in the Baltic, in the Sea of ​​Japan, the Kuril region, while guarding the outer raid of the naval base, this type of reactor is problematic. In the event of the impact of shock waves from the explosions of depth charges or anti-submarine torpedoes, technical problems may appear inside the hull of the sub, which is safer to deal with on a sub in a non-nuclear version of the propulsion device. Damn, but what are his advantages .... However, I would like to hear the opinion of the servicemen on this kind of ships sailors. My "couch" experience in this kind of problems will immediately agree, not an authority ....
  15. 0
    April 13 2019 16: 45
    Finally, the yogis will find application))) And what ?? They don’t ask to drink, they don’t ask to eat, they don’t even ask to breathe, they fall into their samadhi, know how to pedal))) I wonder how this compartment will be called ?? pedal??))
  16. 0
    April 13 2019 16: 50
    Anaerobic? Will work in an oxygen-free environment, in space or what?
  17. +2
    April 13 2019 17: 25
    Well, if you take into account the development of Poseidon in part of its engine, it may well be that our VNU is no longer particularly interested
  18. 0
    April 13 2019 17: 39
    Very interesting information. So, we got $ 50 billion for the Sochi Olympics, and we take money from India for a real breakthrough in science. And then we are so surprised that the Indians are turning our hands around
  19. 0
    April 13 2019 19: 04
    Better even late .... than never!
  20. +2
    April 13 2019 19: 14
    One gets the feeling that India sponsors all the Russian Defense Ministry, we cannot launch a series of su-57 without their purchase, India also allocates money for the anaerobic installation. Scribe
    1. 0
      3 March 2020 21: 30
      Feelings are different sensations. But I probably understood your idea. In 2012, in his message or address to the people, VVP mentioned several times about the "fifth column" within the RF-II. Then he abruptly fell silent on this topic. Then there were the elections of the P-resident of the Russian Federation and the hope that finally Medvedev and everyone behind him (this very column) will be removed. No. Not removed ... Then there was the adoption of the pension reform. Okay. Again they were silent ... Finally, they removed Medvedev. And the column remained. That is, one appearance, dust in the eyes of the people ... Until 2012, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation deliberately destroyed in every possible way. This is a topic for a separate discussion. Then began a five-year plan of loud voices about new weapons. Yes, they appeared in single copies and so far they cannot do the weather. The only psychological effect on the foe and his own people. Wow, how strong we are. But the column works. They do not give money to buy it in the right amount for the Ministry of Defense. Shoigu won is already starting to boast that three years ago we were in sixth place in terms of allocations to the Ministry of Defense, two years ago in seventh, this year in eighth or ninth ... Damn. Where are we going. If the army is reduced to one hundred thousand, then we can reach the twentieth place. And instead of Russia, there will be Muscovy, a state that coincides with its borders with the outline of the Moscow region. The fifth column will be fine with that. And the money accumulated by incredible labor in the NWF and the Reserve is used to feed this very column. Yes, if at least a third of these sums were spent on strengthening the public sector with the construction of state-owned enterprises for the production of the most necessary products (even if the same microelectronics, the list will be long ...), then the effect would be super multiplicative (as they like to transdet). New jobs, GDP growth, rising living standards, etc. etc. But again. The colony ..... In its new version, a la Rush .... And so the allocated money "will be covered with a copper basin", or rather will settle through bribes and squandering in London banks ...
  21. +2
    April 13 2019 19: 26
    Author, did you smoke ???
    How can you publish such an incompetent article at all ???
  22. -1
    April 13 2019 22: 21
    Every year in the country they steal on state purchases under 2 trillion, and they say that there is no money for the development of VNEU. Those. theft is more important than the country's defense.
  23. -1
    April 13 2019 22: 25
    Just a disgrace. There is no money, they are hired from the Indians.
  24. 0
    April 13 2019 22: 48
    In 2019, Russia will still begin development work to create an anaerobic installation for promising non-nuclear submarines. India has to allocate money for it.
    Will they develop in Skolkovo under the able guidance of Chubais and with the Indians' money? Throughout April, don’t trust anyone. People’s wisdom.
  25. -1
    April 14 2019 00: 21
    A mess in Russia. Instead of stepping on someone's face with a boot so that the money could be found abruptly, this is it.
  26. -1
    April 14 2019 05: 16
    There is no money, there are no chairs .. The logic is iron .. But we need to work on technical improvement and a more environmentally friendly analogy of nuclear power plants .. We will be grateful for it.
  27. 0
    April 14 2019 06: 46
    MV Kovalchuk from Kurchatovsky generally openly declared that "nuclear" batteries were developed in Russia, with which they power some Arctic bases already now. With the help of them, both light and heat are produced.
    And what prevents the use of such technologies in new types of submarines of small and middle class? After all, the main driver is an electric motor, so why all these diesel engines to recharge when a pair of such batteries can provide submarine electricity for years. Or is it all fantasy?
  28. 0
    April 14 2019 07: 45
    Any technique is good if it is used correctly. A reconnaissance ship entered the Black Sea. That is, I’m a spy. In previous years, dozens of uninteresting warships went to the Mediterranean Sea,
    crammed with the latest technology for wiretapping. I understand that now reconnaissance ships are used to suppress various signals. The main thing is efficiency, not a poster.
  29. 0
    April 14 2019 08: 40
    Why at the expense of India? And not at the expense of their Central Design Bureau and research institutes that have eaten yards for the development of ECH since the 70s? Or at the expense of the sun-haired ones with their "jerks" to nowhere? And the Indians are partners of the type - "I want to and inject ..."
  30. 0
    April 14 2019 15: 22
    Now financing in Russia is generally entering an interesting stage. If the direction is not a priority, then the Ministry of Defense forms a list of requirements and a development price. But he will pay for this development only if the created product meets the requirements. And at the initial stage, all development costs are borne by the enterprise. They created bullshit - they got losses.
  31. +1
    April 15 2019 00: 25
    Hurray, and not half a century has passed, we have been "breaking through" in the creation of civil aircraft for 30 years, continuing to fly on Boeing and airbuses, even small aircraft and that long ago Czech or Canadian, we fly into space even on royal rockets, interplanetary satellites are farther than Earth orbits do not fly, they forgot how to build engines and turbines, riveting several generations of "advanced users" and relatives of bureaucrats after the Yale and Oxford trainings into effective managers for the development of budget money, and the head of the Central Bank after a detailed report, praise and instruction by our overseas "partners" (they But everyone wants us well) with Komsomol enthusiasm, together with his accomplice, the head of Sberbank, they give out stagnation of the economy for growth of 1.5%, with more than 6 necessary for a minimum growth. One continuous breakthroughs, and why are we all sitting in f-e? the Japanese, even the "trendsetters" of underwater shipbuilding Indonesia and Singapore have been operating similar power plants for decades, but we just woke up from the euphoria of saleseverything and everyone, starting with technology, ending with ships and their own territories.
  32. 0
    April 15 2019 12: 22
    This is when the DPL became more noisy than the atomic one? In which wiki did the author find these lines?
    No money, no people! Which can come up with!