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23550 head patrol ship will be launched at the end of the year

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The head universal patrol ship of the Arctic zone of the ice class of the 23550 project "Ivan Papanin" will be launched at the end of the 2019 of the year and put into operation in the 2023 of the year. This was stated by the general director of the Admiralty Shipyards, Alexander Buzakov, reports web resource Mil.Press FlotProm.


23550 head patrol ship will be launched at the end of the year

The official image of the patrol ship ice class project 23550


According to Aleksandr Buzakov, director of the Admiralty Shipyards, the launch of the 23550 "Ivan Papan" patrol ship will take place at the end of 2019, the second ship of this class and the first serial "Nikolai Zubov" will be laid down immediately after Ivan’s launch Papanin. " The sections have already been completely made for him, the formation of the corps will begin immediately after the laying ceremony The transfer of "Nikolai Zubov" in operation is scheduled for 2024 year.

The lead ship of the project 23550 "Ivan Papanin" was laid in April 2017. According to the shipbuilders' plans, the transfer of the Navy ship was to take place this year. The first serial "Nikolay Zubov" was originally planned to be laid in 2018, with the transfer to the customer in 2020. However, in 2018, it was announced that the construction of combat icebreakers was being shifted to the right by 3-4, due to funding problems. It is planned to build two ships of this project.

The project of patrol ships of ice class 23550 was developed by the specialists of the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau. New ships combine the qualities of an icebreaker, tugboat and patrol ship. The ship can be used in all navigation areas, from the Arctic to the tropical seas, while it is able to overcome the ice thickness to 1,5 meters.



According to previously published data, the displacement of ships of the 23550 project is 8500 tons; length - 110 meters; width - about 20 meters; draft - 6 meters; maximum travel speed - 16 knots; crew / extra crew - approximately 60 / 50 people; autonomy of swimming - 60 days. Special equipment - towing winch of the order of 80 tons and two cargo electrohydraulic cranes with a load capacity of 28 tons.

Armament: automatic 76,2-mm AK-176MA artillery, anti-submarine or search and rescue helicopter Ka-27, two Raptor-type speedboats, unmanned aerial vehicles. Possible placement of missile weapons.
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  1. maximum 8
    maximum 8 April 12 2019 11: 34
    -6
    According to previously published data, the displacement of ships of the 23550 project is 8500 tons; length - 110 meters; width - about 20 meters; draft - 6 meters; maximum travel speed - 16 knots; crew / extra crew - approximately 60 / 50 people; autonomy of swimming - 60 days. Special equipment - towing winch of the order of 80 tons and two cargo electrohydraulic cranes with a load capacity of 28 tons.

    Armament: automatic 76,2-mm AK-176MA artillery, anti-submarine or search and rescue helicopter Ka-27, two Raptor-type speedboats, unmanned aerial vehicles. Possible placement of missile weapons.

    Displacement is like that of a destroyer, and the ship is essentially defenseless. How do they say? Run up to a ruble and a blow at a penny? So it’s possible to build a frigate / destroyer class at our shipyards 22350M.
    1. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov April 12 2019 11: 38
      -7
      With such a displacement of 8500 tons, it is even worse armed than a corvette
      1. stalki
        stalki April 12 2019 11: 52
        17
        And that he must be hung up at the most I can not with various attacking means, he is more sharpened to carry out controlling and auxiliary functions
        anti-submarine or search and rescue helicopter Ka-27, two speed boats of the Raptor type, drones.

        autonomy of swimming - 60 days. Special equipment - a towing winch with a thrust of about 80 tons and two cargo electro-hydraulic cranes with a lifting capacity of 28 tons.

        New ships combine the qualities of an icebreaker, tugboat and patrol ship. The ship can be used in any navigation zone, from the Arctic to tropical seas, while it is able to overcome ice up to 1,5 meters thick.

        So everything he has is there for this. And it’s good that they do this, the fleet needs everything especially in the Arctic zone, where navigation and maintenance of the main ships are complicated by natural factors. Good news.
        1. Alexander Galaktionov
          Alexander Galaktionov April 12 2019 12: 10
          -3
          An ice class patrol ship, in addition to patrolling, should also help our submarines, I think it’s not enough one helicopter, I need a weak gun mount to search for submarines, you can add RBU-6000 a couple of pieces and at least some kind of air defense for self-defense
          1. stalki
            stalki April 12 2019 12: 16
            38
            So no one thought that such a displacement was not for the sake of a combat reserve, but for the function of an icebreaker, so that there would be something to fall on the ice and break it, everyone immediately rushed to the fact that he didn’t know how to fight and let's minus, but at least give me a hundred minuses to sneeze at them, first you need to think about why you did it with your brains, look for arguments, constructively analyze it.
            1. Alexander Galaktionov
              Alexander Galaktionov April 12 2019 12: 20
              0
              And so it will be like Svalbard, W 303
              1. stalki
                stalki April 12 2019 12: 26
                +1
                Well, in principle, yes, but for its functions it is quite enough.
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 April 12 2019 13: 44
              +4
              Quote: stalki
              all at once rushed to the fact that he does not know how to fight

              Sergei, well, at least they could put the Broadsword, I'm talking about the Armor and do not stutter. If the calibers are stuck, then I think protection from their "partners" is necessary.
              Quote: stalki
              and let's minus

              This is from insanity. wink
            3. Anchonsha
              Anchonsha April 13 2019 12: 14
              0
              That's right, I support you. This is a patrol ship with the performance of serving the fleet functions. And for defense and attack there are other ships.
          2. vladcub
            vladcub April 12 2019 12: 50
            +2
            Alexander Galaktionov, you have not read carefully: "ANTI-FOOD or pastel search engine" will depend on what specific equipment will be installed on it.
          3. Serg65
            Serg65 April 12 2019 13: 37
            0
            Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
            plus you can add RBU-6000 a couple of pieces

            what What for?
            Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
            at least some defense for self-defense

            That lack of air defense also bothers me.
        2. loki565
          loki565 April 12 2019 12: 16
          0
          They would replace the cannon with air defense like a sea shell, would become a more effective and multifunctional weapon.
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2019 12: 34
        +8
        With such a displacement of 8500 tons, it is even worse armed than a corvette


        Well, this is a patrol ship !!!

        What do you want to have a patrol ship for the price of a destroyer? Or do you think that additional weapons systems and crew members for its maintenance are worthless?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 12 2019 14: 12
          +1
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Well, this is a patrol ship !!!

          And what naval patrol ship with such a composition of weapons will patrol? Or the fleet, as with 22160, decided to replace the FSB and fulfill the tasks of another department, which, moreover, it has no right to fulfill? wink
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 April 12 2019 16: 13
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Or the fleet, as with 22160, decided to replace the FSB

            The FSB is limited to our waters, but beyond them there is already a fleet.
          2. bayard
            bayard April 12 2019 23: 51
            +1
            This is a patrol ship of the ARCTIC zone, an icebreaking (!) Class, capable of operating in the ice. Its task is to ensure the safety of navigation on the Northern Sea Route, control shipping rules, as well as ... ensure the supply of our military bases in the Arctic - on the islands. He can take passengers / landing up to 50+ and good cargo capabilities.

            Air defense might not hurt him, but from whom in the Arctic to defend? Aviation there is only ours (someone else's will not reach), carriers of the CD are also not provided - ice and legally our zone. And if anything, a cannon, for air targets, can work out. Though "Pantsyr-M" and would not interfere, perhaps. Completion - we'll see. And there is a reserve there.
      3. vladcub
        vladcub April 12 2019 12: 40
        +6
        For his purposes he is well armed: a 76 mm gun, an opposing helicopter, "raptors" and for dessert: "perhaps, the placement of missile weapons"
      4. Marconi41
        Marconi41 April 12 2019 14: 44
        0
        Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
        With such a displacement of 8500 tons, it is even worse armed than a corvette

        So this is not a frigate, not a destroyer. This is a patrol ship. By and large, a military icebreaker. He will run around the Arctic and keep order on the NSR. At the same time and monitor the partners pl.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 12 2019 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: maximum 8
      the ship is essentially defenseless

      And given that
      Possible placement of missile weapons.

      it’s not so defenseless.
      1. maximum 8
        maximum 8 April 12 2019 11: 41
        13 th
        Well, if you fight with polar bears just right.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 12 2019 11: 44
          +1
          Quote: maximum 8
          Well, if you fight with polar bears just right.

          Missiles, bears !?
          1. radiootdel4
            radiootdel4 April 12 2019 15: 03
            +4
            Do not touch the bear.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon April 12 2019 17: 18
              0
              Quote: radiootdel4
              Do not touch the bear.

              I just answered. But in life, I love animals. hi
        2. Astra wild
          Astra wild April 12 2019 13: 10
          +1
          What do you dislike bears with? What do you want to fight with them?
    3. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 12 2019 11: 51
      +9
      Well, who will threaten him in the Arctic? American trough? This is an ice class patrol ship, a specialized patrolman for the Northern Sea Route can be considered.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 12 2019 20: 38
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        So who will threaten him in the Arctic?

        And "into the distance" a little bit to see chama is not enough? No? No.
        1. The ice is melting. Moreover, in the Arctic in 2 times faster than in the Antarctic.
        2. Clear water outside the 12-mile zone means "freedom of navigation" that the Yankees cling to. But the 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone is everything! and her, darling, must be guarded vigilantly and vigilantly ...
        3. In the Arctic, a patrol boat can easily be swooped down, launched from an aircraft or surface / submarine carrier, such as Virginia.
        That is why, in my opinion, it vitally needs air defense / anti-aircraft defense systems for self-defense. One turntable is clearly not enough. RBU-6000 is yesterday. You need to put "Package-NK" or something like that. And for air defense - "Pantsir-SE", tk. 40 km is pretty decent for a "patrol". AU can be enhanced up to 100 mm. Then it is possible to work quite decently at the VC ... But the fact that the "airborne squad" he has up to 50 people. and there is an internal combustion engine - so just wonderful!
        In short, we will have a military icebreaker "patroller" with a view of the future. fellow
    4. svp67
      svp67 April 12 2019 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: maximum 8
      Displacement like a destroyer, and the ship is essentially defenseless. How do they say? Run up to the ruble and hit for a penny?

      In general, it’s more than an ICE BREAKER, even so PATROL ICE BREAKER, and then everything else
      The lead universal patrol ship of the Arctic zone of ice class of project 23550 "Ivan Papanin" will be launched at the end of 2019 and put into operation in 2023.
      Now the main thing is that Ms. Poklonskaya, with her fans, would not get to him, otherwise she’ll drown
    5. URAL72
      URAL72 April 12 2019 12: 22
      +3
      The ship is designed to patrol the Northern Sea Route, and our potential partners do not openly recognize this route as Russian. Allegedly international, so we are waiting for provocations and getting ready to argue our position. From the comments: - it would not be bad at least some SAC, because the underwater situation also needs to be controlled, anti-submarine capabilities in those parts are more important than anti-ship and even air defense. Although, given that the "friends" have ships with missile defense capabilities, maybe we should also think about icebreakers with a missile defense system? This can be cheaper than permanent air defense / missile defense bases in the north and the absence of roads.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 12 2019 12: 54
        +1
        From the comments: - it would be nice to have at least some sort of hull, because the underwater situation also needs to be controlled, anti-submarine capabilities in those parts are more important than anti-ship and even air defense.


        HOOK, torpedo tubes, then it would be nice to push 3C14 as well, to get a boat where the torpedo does not get + 2 anti-submarine helicopters.

        This is a PATROL SHIP, not an anti-submarine one.

        If in the Arctic there is a need to control the underwater situation, a submarine will be sent there.

        A ship should cost the money for which it performs the task, and making it more expensive will result in us not having the right number of such ships or leading to a reduction in other budget items.
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 April 12 2019 13: 28
          +2
          There is no need for a gauge there, because the ice situation is unlikely to allow the use of plur, but an extended towed antenna along with the operator’s post is not at all expensive. The helicopter is already there, but anti-submarine is not always needed, - ice. Is it not always in the Barents? Torpedo tubes are the same. Just the lighting of the underwater environment with an indication of the shore, let them decide what to do there. We are tight with submarines, not enough for the whole north, especially nuclear ones. Have you heard anything about modular weapons? For example, a Danish patrol officer is easy and simple to make both anti-submarine and anti-ship, depending on your needs. This is a saving and not additional costs. Now many are doing this, and Russia too. We have already discussed here a not entirely successful attempt at a modular replacement of the hangar with UKKS. And why can not an anti-submarine ship perform patrol functions? Can we save on patrols of such a displacement in favor of anti-submarine? Given the lack of urgent need for air defense, this is not an expensive modification.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 12 2019 13: 49
            +1
            Quote: URAL72
            Can we save on patrols of such a displacement in favor of anti-submarine?

            Anti-submarine icebreaker? Original and truly unparalleled! good
            1. URAL72
              URAL72 April 12 2019 14: 01
              0
              Firstly, judging by the article, the base of an anti-submarine helicopter is provided for on it, which means that the fleet even considers it as anti-submarine, albeit weak. Secondly, 1,5 meters of ice, this is not an icebreaker, but an ice class ship, as indicated, the rest is the author’s speculation. Walk him in the clear sea without fear of random ice floes and ice fields. No longer required.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 12 2019 14: 27
                0
                Quote: URAL72
                judging by the article

                Judging by this article! In all other articles about this project, Ka-27PS is indicated i.e. search and rescue!
                Quote: URAL72
                Secondly, 1,5 meters of ice, this is not an icebreaker, but an ice class ship, as indicated

                bully The maximum thickness of ice that can be split by an atomic icebreaker with a displacement of 23460 is 3,5 meters in winter-spring navigation, and 1,5 meters .... well, yes, it's nothing laughing Only this is the Arc7 class (LU7) and it is no longer just an ice class ship, let's say the icebreaker Dudinka is one less class!
              2. Marconi41
                Marconi41 April 12 2019 14: 50
                +1
                Quote: URAL72
                Walk him in the clear sea without fear of random ice floes and ice fields. No longer required.

                You shouldn’t be so. 1,5 meters is quite worthy for a linear diesel icebreaker. And on the NSR during the navigation period is rarely more.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 April 12 2019 13: 46
        +3
        Quote: URAL72
        not a bad thing at all

        This is an icebreaker, and ice does not like any protrusions!
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 April 12 2019 13: 49
          0
          Have you read carefully? It's about a towed antenna !!!
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 12 2019 14: 03
            +2
            Quote: URAL72
            Have you read carefully?

            laughing My dear writer, try to drag a towed antenna into the hole! I wish I could see you when you lose her! For the loss of an anchor, they will scare for a period of time, but they will not even scare for the antenna ... right away "So hello you Magadan"!
            1. URAL72
              URAL72 April 12 2019 14: 11
              0
              Firstly, the draft is SIX meters, what prevents you from fixing the antenna below the waterline? Secondly, the search for submarines is going at low speeds, especially in such a difficult ice situation. For such conditions, the "cable" can be made stronger. The question is solved.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 12 2019 14: 29
                0
                Quote: URAL72
                First

                what Those. do not care icebreaker, do the ship PLO? Now in the construction of ave. 20386 ... maybe we can manage it .... or not?
                1. URAL72
                  URAL72 April 12 2019 14: 43
                  +1
                  And where did you go? I proposed inexpensively expanding the functionality of the ship, with a displacement of 8500 tons, which, in addition to the crew, can take up to 60 more people. What problems? Even the project does not need to be redone; it is possible to establish a PBA and an operator post as part of a small modernization. Ka-27PS according to basing conditions is no different from the anti-submarine version. Why did you attach a corvette here? What a fright? I spoke ONLY for this project. In addition, as indicated, the ship can serve in the tropics, and in Kamchatka, God himself ordered it. The Pacific Fleet is in general a disaster, well, it’s not at all up to the patrol icebreakers, but with anti-submarine search and rescue capabilities, this ship is worth its weight in gold.
    6. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 12 2019 12: 43
      +2
      Quote: maximum 8
      Displacement like a destroyer and the ship is essentially defenseless.

      Displacement is a pretty relative definition. For ships intended for sailing under "normal" conditions, the hull is made as lightweight as possible, which is why it is the warships that are damaged in all collisions, and not any dry cargo ships. The same ship is intended for northern latitudes and therefore has a powerful hull, which "eats up" the entire displacement.
      Length - 110 meters. For comparison, it is 104 meters in corvettes.
      Of course, it is wider than corvettes (20 meters versus 13), but still it’s not a destroyer, but a maximum light frigate.
    7. cormorant
      cormorant April 12 2019 16: 44
      -1
      Where he will go with him and with his weapons there are no opponents and is not visible in the long run.
    8. asr55
      asr55 24 October 2019 19: 40
      0
      And about the fact that he breaks the ice up to 2 meters (according to the creator) is it like you are nonsense !?
  2. MoJloT
    MoJloT April 12 2019 11: 45
    0
    We are preparing for provocations in the Arctic zone from the side of sworn partners, we have an icebreaker for bulk, but we can’t catch the end of 2019.
  3. loki565
    loki565 April 12 2019 12: 02
    -2
    They would remove the cannon and put at least air defense. Why in general a cannon, there is a sea shell for small cters and its hawt. It is interesting and the carapace can shoot at shells ??? Like a wasp coping with this. Video in the theme of the struggle of border guards.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 12 2019 13: 56
      -1
      Quote: loki565
      Like a wasp coping with this

      And where in Vidio Osa then? AK - I see 630, but Osu never noticed .. request
      1. loki565
        loki565 April 12 2019 15: 29
        -1
        Yes, I'm not talking about this video, but where the MRK Mirage on Georgian boats fired. Two Osami drowned the boat, and the main complex in milk)))
    2. asr55
      asr55 24 October 2019 19: 43
      0
      What have you not said before !? And already built. The designer is now tearing his hair.
  4. viktorish007
    viktorish007 April 12 2019 12: 03
    -8
    WHY DO YOU NEED IT ???

    No seriously, what kind of tasks should this thing solve?

    whom should he patrol in the ice there? walruses? seals? or rockets for a polar bear to gasp?

    I just don’t understand why it’s necessary to arm an icebreaker at all? the patroller should be able to pursue the ship intruder, we have smugglers icebreakers in the north divorced ???
    1. loki565
      loki565 April 12 2019 12: 10
      0
      Perhaps to protect the Northern Sea Route, there, like ours, they established the rules for the passage of ships in the Kerch Strait.
      1. viktorish007
        viktorish007 April 12 2019 12: 15
        -4
        with warships this thing can not do anything civil inspection? okay those who will lead the icebreakers? just what exactly is the meaning of an icebreaker armed as a watchman? I would understand if this pipelatz had a full-fledged set with air defense and normal radars, you couldn’t make an icebreaker, you probably couldn’t attach a platform for a turntable to an ordinary icebreaker and even search boats, yeah, if it’s a cannon and a missile armament, and positioning the icebreaker as a warship

        ps it seems that this was done on-the-tip like the order was for something to supposedly strengthen the military presence in the Arctic, we’ll do it, it’s not clear that it’s not clear why, but we’ll do it, we will work out the watered order.

        ps.2 better used to build a pair of ordinary icebreakers without gadgets
        1. loki565
          loki565 April 12 2019 12: 23
          -1
          Dimensions allow you to make bulk on many warships. Plus transportation of a large inspection team. The speed is more than ordinary icebreakers. For the guard, it’s quite normal, no one will fight with him, otherwise they won’t float away.

          1. viktorish007
            viktorish007 April 12 2019 17: 32
            -2
            then it’s necessary to weld a battering ram on the nose, ali shypy on the sides with skulls, like in a wah, another chapel instead of a radar and fighting monks, and there will be a full set of functionality, as if Arly Burke could pick up.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 12 2019 14: 14
          +1
          Quote: viktorish007
          civil inspection?

          But he can’t do this - for this is the Navy, not the FSB. The detention and inspection of ships are the responsibility of the RBM.
          1. viktorish007
            viktorish007 April 12 2019 14: 58
            -1
            then an open question with whom will he fight so beautiful in the Arctic, who are those mysterious horrors who need to be shot with enta cannons? Norwegian-Canadian War Seals? the fact that the Norwegians for some reason put a cannon on the new icebreaker assigned to the Navy doesn’t mean that they need to be apeed, we already got along with the modules, although the same Danes - pioneers of modular designs in the Navy spit from this mega idea, ate too much, but we mean the richest and can do anything

            ps I didn’t understand where so many laht-tweaks came from. Friday, I thought they had a short day
      2. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy April 12 2019 12: 23
        0
        In general, it is difficult to imagine that in those places Somali pirates could be established, and for the enemy more seriously, probably, more serious armament is needed. If it is a question of patrolling, then, in my opinion, it makes no sense to drive patrol icebreakers throughout the Northern Sea Route. It is enough to monitor the situation from outer space - the Arctic from there is at a glance, and it would make sense for violators to go out to intercept only when monitoring can show a possible threat to caravans or our Arctic coast. repeat what
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova April 12 2019 12: 15
      19
      cry again !!! build badly, do not build bad too
      1. viktorish007
        viktorish007 April 12 2019 12: 18
        -8
        it’s bad bad when they’re building it is not clear that, in principle, iron MPH can be added instead of a cannon to 10-30 meters moving out of the deck, the damaging effect will be more
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova April 12 2019 12: 26
          +2
          want and put rockets for example 6 calibers and there is no opponent in that region
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 12 2019 12: 27
          +6
          Quote: viktorish007
          it’s bad when they’re building

          Probably thought before building. But they didn’t go to VO.
        3. rayruav
          rayruav April 12 2019 19: 35
          -1
          Victor, you don’t pay attention to the illiterate, they saw the sea from the shore, and even that’s not all for one Makarov’s set up calibers anywhere from time to time to spit for such a church, kinder, kyuhe and she issues pirouettes
      2. Alexander Galaktionov
        Alexander Galaktionov April 12 2019 12: 46
        -1
        Well, if the Norwegians got the same Svalbard in 2002, W 303 then cry yes
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova April 12 2019 12: 52
          0
          judging by wikipedia, he has only one 57 mm cannon, there is no missile weapons at all
          1. Alexander Galaktionov
            Alexander Galaktionov April 12 2019 13: 03
            -1
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            judging by wikipedia, he has only one 57 mm cannon, there is no missile weapons at all

            And what will stop them from putting NSM on these icebreaker ships?
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova April 12 2019 13: 07
              0
              not allowed. not invented
              1. Alexander Galaktionov
                Alexander Galaktionov April 12 2019 13: 13
                -1
                Who told you that?
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova April 12 2019 13: 18
                  0
                  Wikipedia does not write about it
                  1. Alexander Galaktionov
                    Alexander Galaktionov April 12 2019 13: 20
                    0
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    Wikipedia does not write about it
                    smile
                    And if on Wikipedia they write that tomorrow the end of the world will you also believe? smile
                    1. Nastia makarova
                      Nastia makarova April 12 2019 13: 30
                      0
                      it's not about faith; it's about knowledge
                      1. Astra wild
                        Astra wild April 12 2019 14: 08
                        0
                        Nastya, bravo
                      2. Nastia makarova
                        Nastia makarova April 12 2019 14: 29
                        0
                        thank))))
      3. rayruav
        rayruav April 12 2019 19: 28
        0
        norgs can build what they want well, but why do you even need to be in tiksi in Murmansk
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 12 2019 12: 48
      +2
      Quote: Nastia Makarova
      cry again !!! build badly, do not build bad too

      The main thing is to cry. Some even cry that they are building Boreyev.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova April 12 2019 12: 50
        0
        but something has been divorced recently, is it time to open the hunting season to reduce the population?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 April 12 2019 13: 41
          +1
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          but something a lot of these recently divorced

          I recall my childhood, pre-perestroika, then, too, experts who sat on their chests telling that there was propaganda on TV, that we had nothing, we couldn’t, education was backward, etc. etc.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova April 12 2019 13: 46
            +3
            who does not believe in himself and in the country will achieve nothing
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 April 12 2019 14: 27
              +1
              So it happened.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova April 12 2019 14: 29
                0
                Unfortunately yes
    4. rayruav
      rayruav April 12 2019 19: 25
      0
      slaughter crying on your nose not from what’s bad, but from the fact that they’re building not what’s needed
  5. asr55
    asr55 24 October 2019 19: 48
    0
    Well baubab you. There, the northern sea route passes without an icebreaker anywhere!
  • Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 April 12 2019 13: 06
    0
    A good but unfinished project, especially the part of the words that indicate the possible installation of missile weapons.
    It is necessary to install both an air defense system and missile weapons, let it be a sort of young Ilya Muromets!
  • rudolff
    rudolff April 12 2019 13: 41
    +5
    Yesterday they just discussed on the site that there was nothing to cover the PKK CH with. Another project from which the fleet is not hot, not cold. Would give all these patrol to the border guards and brains would not soar.
  • K-50
    K-50 April 12 2019 13: 48
    +1
    the second ship of this class and the first serial "Nikolai Zubov" will be laid down immediately after the launch of the "Ivan Papanin". The sections have already been completely made for it, the formation of the body will begin immediately after the laying ceremony.

    And what does it take 4 years? belay
    Is it faster in any way? sad
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 12 2019 14: 00
    0
    Colleagues, you didn’t notice that the lead ship was named "Ivan Papanin"! It seems to me deeply symbolic that the name of the famous explorer of the Arctic is named the guardian of our Arctic
  • Mordor
    Mordor April 12 2019 14: 11
    +1
    And what a BEAUTY! Amazingly beautiful ship! )))
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 12 2019 16: 03
    +1
    "Nikolay Zubov" is who? A composer, an honored admiral-oceanologist or another lover of the "Great Empress"? Maybe it's time to specify the patronymics in the names of the ships, so that there are no idle speculations and stupid discrepancies ...
  • Cloud4CRY
    Cloud4CRY April 12 2019 16: 25
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    The ship is very beautiful. To demonstrate our presence in the Arctic is quite suitable.
  • rayruav
    rayruav April 12 2019 19: 16
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    and the raptors in the ice what they will do, in the arctic near the fleet the first priority is the area of ​​our vast area amerskiy apl climb wherever they want
  • Gogia
    Gogia April 12 2019 21: 04
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    Why do not they put anti-submarine weapons on it. Package NK and GAS? a wonderful dual-purpose ship would turn out !!!
  • Viknt
    Viknt April 12 2019 22: 52
    0
    Deaf, blind and toothless. Rename Serebryakov, though the magpie stood, but with a significantly lower displacement ..
    1. Viknt
      Viknt April 13 2019 22: 04
      +1
      Comparison with the Norwegian "brother" is certainly strong, that the peasants, then the monkey. Behind the Norwegian trough, the entire NATO fleet and the waters of the Gulf Stream, behind the Russian endless ice fields and that's all, there is no one to hope for. They will drown and you will not have time to blink an eye. Why did you foresee the rockets, who were you going to shoot in the North Pole with interest? There are only submarines occasionally come across. Is the ship armed with shovels and birch brooms for them? And since the most dangerous missile is the northern direction, will the ship be armed with blue kerchiefs? How are ten nodes going to patrol the open water area? The one who gave the terms of reference for the design should be sent to Syria, put in the UAZ, in which the officers died, issued a service barrel (pistol) and sent to patrol.
      At the Khmeimim base they do not have time to fight off drones, ships without marines no longer go on board, they say Americans are already threatening to attack ports. So their wards will soon have gliders too. In the West, they are already openly saying that there is a third world war, only unlike the first two, it took on the character of a proxy war. But in the offices of the high authorities, obviously everything is fine, everything is fine! To pink snot.
      The ship is certainly necessary, but it must be a military armed ship. For the purposes of patrolling and the poverty of the largest state in the world, it is not even necessary to fully arm it yet.