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Soviet jacket against German MP-40

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Many myths are associated with the Great Patriotic War, which were purposefully thought out or were the result of the ignorance of certain people. One of the most popular is the myth of bulletproof quilted jackets, which allegedly defended Soviet soldiers from the bullets of German submachine guns.


You can often find the statement that the bullets of the German MP-40 submachine gun were stuck in quilted jackets at a distance of 100 meters. But others say that the Soviet soldiers specially put on two padded coats to protect themselves from bullets. In the book “Tankman on a foreign car,” the author tells how he allegedly saw with his own eyes how the bullets from the Thompson submachine gun stuck in two padded jackets. About the same problems told, according to individual "witnesses", the Americans during the Korean War.

The chief technical consultant of Kalashnikov Media Vladimir Onokoi decided to figure out how things really are and, thereby, check another weapons myth. Can a padded jacket replace a bulletproof vest?

In addition, Vladimir Onokoi will answer why when shooting from the MP-40 it is not possible to gently pull the trigger of a small weapon.

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  1. YOUR
    YOUR April 12 2019 14: 15
    +10
    Only a super couch fighter could think of such a padded jacket that would delay the bullet.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 12 2019 14: 19
      +1
      Quote: YOUR
      Only a super couch fighter could think of such a padded jacket that would delay the bullet.

      I would be interested if they repeated this experiment, but with one "but". It would be necessary to wet the jacket first
      1. YOUR
        YOUR April 12 2019 14: 22
        +5
        Nothing but contamination of the wound with batting fibers and dirty water will work.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 12 2019 14: 25
          +1
          Quote: YOUR
          Nothing but contamination of the wound with batting fibers and dirty water will work.

          These are just words, but they would conduct an experiment and see. In any case, in Central Asia, I remember reading somewhere, so during the struggle against Basmachism, our cars were "jacked up", for lack of armor and helped
          1. YOUR
            YOUR April 12 2019 14: 27
            +3
            Against the rifle cartridge ??? Well, if only metal or logs
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 12 2019 14: 54
              +1
              Quote: YOUR
              Against the rifle cartridge ???

              If I remember exactly, then they checked from the "Nagan"
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                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 12 2019 15: 21
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  The point is in such a clinging against gunshots. Penetration Pistol Comparison

                  Sorry, but here is a direct comparison of that "test" and this "experiment"
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR April 12 2019 15: 25
                    0
                    The video contains shots of breaking through a bullet on a board of boards.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 April 12 2019 15: 37
                      0
                      Quote: YOUR
                      The video contains shots of breaking through a bullet on a board of boards.

                      Are you talking about it?
                      1. YOUR
                        YOUR April 12 2019 15: 40
                        0
                        It is the most. punched 5 cm boards.
                      2. svp67
                        svp67 April 12 2019 15: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: YOUR
                        It is the most. punched 5 cm boards.

                        By the way, indirectly indicating that "Thomson" really could not break through the quilted jacket 100 meters
                      3. YOUR
                        YOUR April 12 2019 15: 44
                        +1
                        I do not know about you, I would not risk checking on myself.
                      4. svp67
                        svp67 April 12 2019 19: 01
                        0
                        Quote: YOUR
                        I do not know about you, I would not risk checking on myself.

                        Yes, I do not strive for the same, but you never know how it can turn out in life.
                      5. YOUR
                        YOUR April 13 2019 02: 06
                        +2
                        I agree. Better to participate in "battles" on the VO.
                      6. YOUR
                        YOUR April 14 2019 04: 03
                        +1
                        Onokoy has another similar video in his Weapons Myths. Will the bullets stop the flask released from the MP-40 with water, the buckle of the soldier's belt and the sapper shoulder. The sapper blade stopped.
                        https://kalashnikov.media/video/weapons/sapernaya-lopata-pryazhka-remnya-ili-flyaga-chto-ostanovit-pulyu-nemetskogo-mr-40
            2. vladcub
              vladcub April 12 2019 16: 21
              +4
              Quote: YOUR
              Against the rifle cartridge ??? Well, if only metal or logs

              Not exactly: cotton sacks were widely used during the civil war. It is known that in 1918 the workers of the Tashkent depot built an "armored train": bales of cotton were put on the sides of the cargo platforms and made of cotton "rugs" to make it more comfortable to lie
      2. NG inform
        NG inform April 14 2019 02: 01
        0
        And freeze. And the fabric is not so snotty to take.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR April 14 2019 07: 42
          0
          And put all this ice shell on yourself.
          1. NG inform
            NG inform April 14 2019 14: 22
            +1
            I just remembered a joke about frozen chicken.
    2. figwam
      figwam April 12 2019 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: YOUR
      Only a super couch fighter could think of such a padded jacket that would delay the bullet.

      No, I read the memoirs of a WWII veteran somewhere, but most likely the bullet was either at the end or after the rebound. It happens that a bullet from Kalash gets stuck in the forehead.
    3. Igor V
      Igor V April 12 2019 21: 33
      +2
      Quote: YOUR
      Only a super couch fighter could think of such a padded jacket that would delay the bullet.

      I read memories that spoke of small fragments stuck in cotton wool. Of course, this is not a bullet, but the soldier has no time to figure out what wounded him. And if there is an opportunity to protect yourself from fragments, then you need to use it.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR April 13 2019 02: 15
        0
        This does not mean that he will keep the bullet. Of course, you can report that this is how cool the bullet got stuck in the quilted jacket, just from what distance the shot was fired. And if so, then without a padded jacket a maximum of a good lamp will put.
    4. aws4
      aws4 April 14 2019 04: 12
      +2
      how much I live and am interested in such things, but I have never heard such a myth .. obviously the guy has nothing to remove and he sucks out myths and themes from the thumb for videos by the Kalashnikov concern
  2. widower
    widower April 12 2019 14: 17
    +2
    Often you can find the claim that the bullets of the German MP-40 submachine gun stuck in quilted jackets at a distance of 100 meters

    Masterpiece !!!! good
    How did they fight in the summer? laughing
    1. Evil echo
      Evil echo April 12 2019 16: 03
      +4
      How, how - sweating scared. soldier
      1. widower
        widower April 12 2019 16: 17
        0
        Quote: Evil Echo
        How, how - sweating scared.

        and in padded jackets crossed the river? laughing
        most likely there were air conditioners under the quilted jackets laughing
        1. K-50
          K-50 April 12 2019 16: 52
          +2
          Quote: widower
          and in padded jackets crossed the river?

          If the padded jacket is packaged and hermetically tied in a waterproof bag, then yes you can force the river with it. Otherwise, cotton wool is very hygroscopic and will most likely drown the swimmer.
          When I was in the SA ranks in Hungary, we had cotton-based life jackets, by the way. Vata was sealed in plastic bags, and they were embedded in the design of the life jacket and norms, they kept completely, along with tank warm jumpsuits (I had to swim in the Danube one month in February), there were no complaints. The main thing is not to let the cotton wool get wet. hi
          1. widower
            widower April 12 2019 16: 57
            0
            Quote: K-50
            If the padded jacket is packaged and tightly tied in a waterproof bag, then yes you can force the river with it.

            I mean, it's nonsense to wear two quilted jackets in the summer instead of a "bulletproof vest"
            1. K-50
              K-50 April 12 2019 17: 00
              +1
              Quote: widower
              Quote: K-50
              If the padded jacket is packaged and tightly tied in a waterproof bag, then yes you can force the river with it.

              I mean, it's nonsense to wear two quilted jackets in the summer instead of a "bulletproof vest"

              For this they will not freeze. request fellow
  3. Sergst
    Sergst April 12 2019 14: 18
    +3
    And at what distance did they shoot in the video? Was there really 100 meters?
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 12 2019 14: 26
      +3
      Quote: Sergst
      And at what distance did they shoot in the video? Was there really 100 meters?

      By the way, the same is true. A pistol bullet at 25 meters, this is slightly different than the same bullet at 100 meters
    2. silversnow
      silversnow April 12 2019 23: 13
      0
      Yes, there were just 100 meters. Maybe 96 or 97, I definitely didn’t measure it, but this is a hundred-meter shooting gallery.
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  4. svp67
    svp67 April 12 2019 14: 18
    +2
    In the book A Tanker in a Foreign Car, the author tells how he allegedly saw with his own eyes how the bullets from the Thompson submachine gun got stuck in two quilted jackets.
    It’s strange that something I missed in this book. It is still necessary to re-read.
    1. serg.shishkov2015
      serg.shishkov2015 April 13 2019 13: 25
      +2
      So I don’t remember something! Vine didn’t write about shooting from Thompson,
  5. Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev April 12 2019 14: 25
    +4
    Well, the fact that the quilted jacket is not a bronick was clear initially. Otherwise, all the infantry would fight in them: ours, German, Anglo-Saxon, etc., both in winter and in summer.
    But the padded jacket could hold the grenade fragments, especially at the end.
  6. K-50
    K-50 April 12 2019 14: 31
    +4
    Well, actually it was a question of a distance of 100+ meters. There is also shelling of quilted jackets at a distance of 25 meters.
    So the myth is not refuted.
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    2. uragan114
      uragan114 April 12 2019 14: 56
      +2
      Quote: K-50
      Well, actually it was a question of a distance of 100+ meters. There is also shelling of quilted jackets at a distance of 25 meters.
      So the myth is not refuted.

      Not those invited to refute the myth))
    3. silversnow
      silversnow April 12 2019 23: 13
      +1
      In the video, shooting was carried out for a hundred meters. Where did you get the number in 25?
  7. Mcar
    Mcar April 12 2019 14: 42
    +2
    One of the most popular is the myth of bulletproof quilted jackets, which supposedly protected Soviet soldiers from the bullets of German submachine guns.

    Often one can meet the claim that the bullets of the German MP-40 submachine gun stuck in quilted jackets at a distance of 100 meters.

    1. What kind of strange myth is this - popular, often mentioned, but I hear it for the first time? Moreover, with hearing everything is fine, I live not in a solitary confinement and am very interested in everything related to the Second World War.

    2. I can be mistaken, but the reason for this myth, apparently, is that cotton wool is a very viscous material and significantly dampens the speed and penetration of any projectile - from a knife to a bullet. Another question is that even two layers of a padded jacket are completely insufficient to provide significant resistance.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 12 2019 16: 51
      +5
      I heard about the "bullet resistance" of quilted jackets ... I suppose that the author heard the ringing, but did not know where he was from! The fact is that I read about the "doublex": "cuirass" CH38-42 + quilted jacket ... Soldiers of combat engineer units tried to put on a quilted jacket together with a steel bib, because. it was believed that such a "duplex" was better protected from machine gun bullets than a "naked" bib! It was even believed that at a certain distance the "duplex" could also protect against a rifle bullet ...
      1. beeper
        beeper April 12 2019 22: 19
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        I heard about the "bullet resistance" of quilted jackets ... I suppose that the author heard the ringing, but did not know where he was from! The fact is that I read about the "doublex": "cuirass" CH38-42 + quilted jacket ... Soldiers of combat engineer units tried to put on a quilted jacket together with a steel bib, because. it was believed that such a "duplex" was better protected from machine gun bullets than a "naked" bib! It was even believed that at a certain distance the "duplex" could also protect against a rifle bullet ...

        hi That's about such a "duplex" cuirass + quilted jacket of combat engineers and assault units, I read and heard from veterans of the frontline that it was the soft lining that allowed the cuirass armor to absorb the impact of a 9mm bullet from a German submachine gun, thereby contributing to non-penetration! But, according to reviews, the impact of a bullet, even without breaking through, and with a padded jacket pushed under the cuirass, not counting underwear and a tunic, was very, very noticeable! A sharp-pointed rifle bullet, not even an armor-piercing one, did not "hold" the cuirass close, except that it "ricocheted" in the event of a tangential bullet hit at a large angle from the normal! But at a "certain distance", probably, and defended ?!
        In addition, I often heard from survivors of the war and bombing that supposedly down pillows and blankets delayed bullets and shrapnel, they say, "the bullets twisted in the fluff and lost their speed." winked
        And this legend about criminals who were allegedly stuck in a quilted jacket (where did this "ringing" come from, which our dear young comrade Vladimir Onokoi "heard" ?! winked ), I first read a bullet from the militia "Makarov" in one of the post-perestroika issues of the early "holy 90s" magazine "Tekhnika-Molodyozhi" - in a review article, then unknown to me, "weapons expert" Semyon Fedoseev about domestic pistols and submachine guns -this "opus" was remembered precisely by the fact that the author spoke rather dismissively of my beloved PM, in an amateurish self-confidence, reproaching "too short a barrel."
  8. Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex April 12 2019 14: 42
    -1
    In bulletproof vests they use special weaving of fabric and special dies with a high modulus of elasticity, which are often more difficult to break than similar fibers made of steel. Such weaving of fabric in combination with such fibers catches a bullet that got into bulletproof vest like a net. There are several layers of high-modulus fabric in the body armor to guaranteed slow down and stop the bullet.
    Vata (wet, dry, soaked in alcohol or in cucumber brine) does not possess such properties. Cotton fabric too. Therefore, a bullet will easily break through a padded jacket and kill the arrow hiding in such a padded jacket. But if a flask of stainless steel with water (alcohol, brine and ect.) Is hidden under the quilted jacket, and a bullet fired from the MP-40 has already lost a significant part of the energy in flight, then a flask in a quilted jacket with water can catch such a bullet.

    This experiment is akin to an experiment with penetrating rails with a bullet from an AK. Civilians fired with soft-core bullets - not piercing. They raised a file and howl on the Internet that Kalash can’t even penetrate the rail. And the military simply smiled quietly, because they have other cartridges, which, if necessary, to the rail ... and not only to the rail.
  9. vladcub
    vladcub April 12 2019 16: 23
    0
    Quote: Sergst
    bullet

    Hardly more than 50 meters
    1. silversnow
      silversnow April 12 2019 23: 15
      0
      There are 100 meters, no options.
  10. vredlo
    vredlo April 12 2019 16: 41
    +2
    at the end, or after a rebound, it may well not break through (here it’s how lucky), but if in the video then it naturally breaks,
    so this is not a rebuttal, but do not understand what
  11. Cetron
    Cetron April 12 2019 22: 07
    +4
    Conducting an experiment is not correct.
    1. The distance. The myth says about 100 m., And this is the limit of slaughter of the MP-40 bullet.
    2. Padded jackets put on plywood - board, ie on a solid foundation, but the human body is not. It was necessary to put on a ballistic mannequin - the base should be elastic.
  12. Disorder
    Disorder April 13 2019 01: 07
    +1
    He put it too tightly on 100 m. In addition, at the beginning of the video, a target is visible behind his back, which was then put on a padded jacket. There are 50 meters there., Not 100 at all.
    1. silversnow
      silversnow April 13 2019 11: 30
      0
      This is the shooting gallery of the Kalashnikov concern's control and testing station. There are 100 meters. It has always been and always will be. Next time, let's add a plan with a view of the target.
      1. geniy
        geniy April 14 2019 14: 59
        0
        But you specifically - for the purpose of deception, you tried not to show the back of the target? In order not to show the audience that few bullets pierced the target through, that is, not only quilted jackets, but also plywood.
        And besides, you painfully scrupulously keep your distance. and sat down fired for example from a distance of 150 or 200 meters? then also padded jacket breaks?
        1. silversnow
          silversnow April 14 2019 16: 21
          0
          The target was metal, made of armored steel. Bullets were pierced through not only two, but also four layers of a padded jacket, this is visible on the left shoulder.
          1. geniy
            geniy April 14 2019 16: 34
            0
            The target was metal, made of armored steel.

            This is bad that the targets were from the armored steel. Because in reality during the war, shooting not exactly from 100 meters, but from about 150-200 meters, bullets passing through a padded jacket could start tumbling, and enter the body to a shallow depth of 1 - 2 - 3 cm, and although cause a painful wound but not become a fatal defeat. Moreover, if this wound did not become in the region of the heart, but for example in the soft underbelly. And the fact that the experimenters did not want to use ballistic gel could be a hoax to the audience.
  13. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 April 13 2019 13: 22
    0
    in the USA there were police armored cars-2 layers of thin armor, and between them a layer of pressed cotton, also cotton bales were used in the civil war to protect the decks of ships
  14. bogart047
    bogart047 April 14 2019 01: 36
    +1
    For the first time I hear this myth. It’s hard to imagine that anyone could believe that. However, I did not see the distance in the dash of 100 m and did not see the old cartridges in which the gunpowder was probably different, and therefore the muzzle energy
  15. AB
    AB April 14 2019 11: 23
    -1
    Punches - does not punch. Found a reason to argue. Personal example from childhood. In the distant Soviet times, when it was possible to buy chews in the Okhotnik store, saying that for the starting pistol it was necessary to grind down the fraction lying in the wooden trays open for independent filling. We took a jelly and inserted a pellet into it. We loaded it into a tube of a suitable diameter, screwed to a bed sawn from a board from a box with a sharpened latched-in rubber band attached to it and, like, hunted pigeons. They also shot in autumn jackets (there were coats for winter) hung on bushes. So, from about 3 - 5 meters, the penetration of the upper layer and the lining took place. Further naturally no. Yes, and from the pigeons often passed rebound. I emphasize that it was chewed (capsule), not a cartridge, now think. Jackets in those years were not made from synthetics, but from natural fabrics.
  16. tchoni
    tchoni April 15 2019 11: 14
    0
    [media = https: //m.youtube.com/watch? v = KMUmdMn2PsE]
    Our overseas friends were interested in the same thing. And that’s what happened to them.