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Russian military shipbuilders have patented a unique ship hull

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The Krylov State Research Center patented the hull of a warship, which, according to the developers, should have unique properties. Representatives of the center claim that, thanks to the unique contours, the patented model will provide the ship with increased speed.



In the TASS commentary, the general director of the scientific institution said that the shape of the ship would give minimal hydrodynamic resistance. It will decrease by 25-30%.
This will increase the number of vertical launchers placed on the ship, and a half to two-and-a-half to expand the standard ammunition of warships of distant sea and ocean zones.

In addition, the new hull will allow surface ships to carry an increased amount of air defense, anti-submarine and anti-ship defense.

The model of the new building was tested in the experimental pool, proved its effectiveness during numerous inspections, after which a patent was issued for it.

Krylov State Research Center is engaged in research in the field of design and shipbuilding. It was founded in 1894 year and during this time made a significant contribution to the development of products for both military and dual use.

The experimental base of the center allows for a variety of experimental testing. On the territory of the KSCC, among others, there are pools for ice, deep-water and shallow-water tests, a landscape wind tunnel and a supercomputer.
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  1. dgonni
    dgonni April 11 2019 20: 18
    +34
    I alone did not understand what kind of incomprehension the author wrote? Moreover, the hydrodynamic quality to the number of deployed weapons, I personally do not understand. And what does the reference to the years from which the center began research! ? Am I skiing that doesn’t go, or is there no snow? This is the conclusion :(
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 April 11 2019 20: 24
      +24
      Quote: dgonni
      Moreover, the hydrodynamic quality to the number of deployed weapons, I personally do not understand.

      This is for Mr. Gridasov (we have such a specialist in hydrodynamics at VO), but no one will really raise this issue, and he will even have to keep it up! Shaw b not drunk in controversy yes
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ April 11 2019 21: 06
        +11
        He is special throughout science, not only in continuum mechanics.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas April 11 2019 21: 17
          +5
          Quote: dgonni
          I alone did not understand what kind of incomprehension the author wrote? Moreover, the hydrodynamic quality to the number of deployed weapons, I personally do not understand.


          Well it's just

          As in VO - everyone seeks to stake out the top lines, it does not matter what to write, just to stake out, and then finish off with something, for example, a historical account of the organization.

          (I don’t hint at anyone, I am sinning the same)
        2. Dym71
          Dym71 April 11 2019 21: 26
          +6
          Quote: Aviator_
          in continuum mechanics.

          Hush, CAM is here! stop
      2. gridasov
        gridasov April 11 2019 21: 14
        +19
        In principle, you can understand. Increasing the displacement and increasing the waterline increases the resistance. Therefore, having improved the hydrodynamic qualities, you can increase the line and maintain the armament and increase its mass and maintain speed and maneuverability. The only question is what I'm talking about a fundamentally new mover and the use of the principle in it, which can be applied in power plants.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 April 11 2019 21: 31
          +17
          Quote: gridasov
          In principle, you can understand .........

          Powerfully, I take off my hat because I already wrote that when I read your comments, I feel like a worthless little man, not to say even worse. crying
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR April 11 2019 22: 13
            +6
            Quote: Dym71
            Powerfully, I take off my hat because I already wrote that when I read your comments, I feel like a worthless little man, not to say even worse.

            Well, what ... The main thing, gridasov, answered (and substantiated) briefly, without snot ...

            That's just: "New propulsion device", is it in relation to the patented body, or by itself?
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 April 11 2019 22: 32
              +5
              Quote: Separ DNR
              That's just: "New propulsion device", is it in relation to the patented body, or by itself?

              What difference does it make when everything:
              Quote: Separ DNR
              briefly, without snot ...

              Why should we find fault with such trifles and destroy the still flimsy foundation of knowledge?
              We survive for now yes
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR April 11 2019 22: 34
                +1
                Quote: Dym71
                Why should we find fault with such trifles and destroy the still flimsy foundation of knowledge?

                It is a pity that you took my interest in the subject as a nit-picking.
                1. Dym71
                  Dym71 April 11 2019 22: 41
                  +9
                  Quote: Separ DNR
                  It is a pity that you took my interest in the subject as a nit-picking.

                  Sorry, I can’t listen to Gridasov for a long time, she’s starting to mow the schiz. recourse
                  1. The Siberian barber
                    The Siberian barber April 11 2019 23: 55
                    +8
                    In my opinion, the charm of VO is that everyone can lay out their point of view regarding various problems: from scientific to politics, in the correct form)
                    Gridasov, it is really difficult to understand (for me he is also "difficult"), BUT these are HIS views))
                    Perhaps, sometime, we will blush because we did not understand him)))
                    1. Paranoid50
                      Paranoid50 April 12 2019 00: 27
                      +11
                      Quote: The Siberian Barber
                      Perhaps, sometime, we will blush because we did not understand him)))

                      Damn it, my musician friends and I decided to get together with the old line-up and play psychedelic. And so that everything was "not just like that", they came up with a name for the project: MG ("Gridasov's thoughts"). Everyone in the subject (read VO), Gridasov is known and respected. good The point is small - ask the MOST. fellow laughing
                      According to the article: the news is good, but some kind of clumsy presentation. It looks like an inept "hairstyle" of copy-paste. Immediately the "EXPERIENCE pool" sounded. am Definitely, the "submitter" is out of topic.
                      1. The Siberian barber
                        The Siberian barber April 12 2019 00: 33
                        +4
                        In general, it reminds me of an advertising booklet))
                    2. Mavrikiy
                      Mavrikiy April 12 2019 10: 22
                      -3
                      Quote: Siberian barber

                      Gridasov, it is really difficult to understand (for me he is also "difficult"), BUT these are HIS views))
                      Perhaps, sometime, we will blush because we did not understand him)))
                      In my opinion, the liberals do not have a place on the site (BUT these are my views)repeat
                      As for the paint. Communication at the level of the fourth dimension does not imply a healthy reaction, healthy people.
                2. sogdy
                  sogdy April 12 2019 13: 16
                  0
                  Try in this order:
                  http://tekhnosfera.com/proektirovanie-formy-korpusa-sudna-s-uchetom-plavaniya-na-volnenii (скан в текст, формулы и таблицы разрушены, но обоснование причин и возможностей)
                  http://bastion-karpenko.ru/korvet_cnii-45_xxi/ (лубок, конечно, но чуть подробнее)
                  http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2380268 (собственно, близко)
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 12 2019 00: 54
            +2
            Quote: Dym71
            when I read your comments, I feel like a worthless little man, not to say even worse.

            Well, this is from the same "opera" as the "optimist" and "pessimist" perceive a half-full glass! wink Someone feels like a "worthless man" angry and someone with enthusiasm thinks that there is no limit to the improvement of a person ... (as in a single case, and humanity as a whole!) ... and there is much to strive for! fellow
          3. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy April 12 2019 08: 08
            +1
            Quote: Dym71
            Quote: gridasov
            In principle, you can understand .........

            Powerfully, I take off my hat because I already wrote that when I read your comments, I feel like a worthless little man, not to say even worse. crying

            And I envy you, understood, penetrated, took off his hat. repeat I can’t do it, I’ve already gouged the clave. Delirium does not turn into common sense.
            1. Increased displacement - where is it from? Displacement - const! Then you can compare.
            2. Waterline increase - With increased displacement? See point 1.
            3. Save armament - and who encroached on him?
            4. increase its mass - with ease, with increased displacement (and how to invent reinforcement?).
            5. maintain speed and maneuverability - with increased displacement? To school in grade 5. It will be possible to maintain speed, but maneuverable qualities ....... NO!
            The only question is what I'm talking about a fundamentally new mover and the use of the principle in it, which can be applied in power plants.
            From the point of view of common sense:
            The gain from the use of development is an increase in speed, range of navigation (DEU without changes). Installation of additional weapons, by reducing the power of the DEU (and hence its dimensions and weight) and fuel reserves (volume and weight). Range and speed are the same.
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 April 12 2019 10: 04
              +1
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              I can’t do it, I’ve already gouged the clave. Delirium does not turn into common sense.

              Brace yourself! And take care of property, peace, only peace.
              And to save our nerve cells and gray matter, I propose to create here, at VO, a group with the working title "Gridasov's Witnesses", how do you like the idea?
              1. gridasov
                gridasov April 12 2019 16: 48
                +3
                No need to do this and such jokes are not clear to me, although the background is clear. I only urge you to work with information as raw material. Less emotion and vanity. I'm not going to belittle anyone and rise. The latter I don’t understand at all as an emotion. Everything is in its place and everything is important. I’m ready to discuss it to a certain level. I think everyone is happy to what extent. And I think everything should be clear. I’m talking about simple methods and devices, but the fact that they are built according to unusual logics is true
                1. Dym71
                  Dym71 April 12 2019 18: 54
                  0
                  Quote: gridasov
                  No need to do this and such jokes are not clear to me

                  And here are the pipes for you, Mr. Gridasov, I will by all means fight for the simplicity and clarity of the presentation of your thoughts in the comments, because I can no longer read them and, at the same time, my brain’s vital activity is at risk!
                  Quote: gridasov
                  although the background is clear

                  I will clarify nevertheless, so that there are no discrepancies:
                  “The surest sign of truth is simplicity and clarity. Lying is always complex, fanciful and verbose ”(c) / L.N. Tolstoy /
                  hi
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov April 12 2019 19: 09
                    0
                    And I will try to clarify everything.
                2. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 April 12 2019 21: 05
                  0
                  Quote: gridasov
                  I'm talking about simple methods and devices, but the fact that they are built using unusual logics is true.

                  good good good hi
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 12 2019 01: 33
          +1
          Quote: gridasov
          In principle, you can understand

          Yes, of course, everything is clear! yes In this case there was no need to strain Mr. Gridasov for nothing! stop
          Quote: gridasov
          fundamentally new engine

          I think that in this case a "new" propulsion device is not necessary! After all, "shipbuilders" by tests have confirmed the effectiveness of their "innovation" using the "old" propellers! And new movers exist ... waiting for their time to come ...
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx April 12 2019 04: 29
            0
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            I think that in this case "new" mover is optional ! After all, "shipbuilders" by tests have confirmed the effectiveness of their "innovation", using "old" movers ! And there are new movers ... waiting for their time to come...

            With each new message, the brains go away more clearly and more real ...
            stop New mover is what? New operating principles, increased efficiency or increased power?
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 12 2019 10: 04
              0
              Quote: ROSS 42
              New mover is what? New operating principles, increased efficiency or increased power?

              New principles of work is yes! But as for increased efficiency or increased power, this is how it will turn out! wink "Ancient" propulsion system - paddle wheels ... "Real" propulsion device - propellers ... but maybe "water jet propulsion unit", "hydro-vibration propulsion unit" and so on ...
              1. gridasov
                gridasov April 12 2019 16: 52
                0
                Just name a turbine, but in other planes of thermodynamic cycle formation
            2. gridasov
              gridasov April 12 2019 10: 15
              0
              If you can analyze all the processes in their algorithmic connection on the rotor blades and do the opposite, you will get a new process quality and what we will call the new mover.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I April 12 2019 11: 22
                +1
                You can say anything, how is it in practice? Take "similar" from aviation ... there was a screw! Classic, "traditional"! What else can you think of here? But they came up with it! "PROPFENE"! But if you do not get more sophisticated, then ... the same screw ... improved! On ships, submarines, they now put similar propfens ... but these are, nevertheless, SCREWS ... improved!
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov April 12 2019 12: 39
                  0
                  Well, no! You see iron, and carefully consider the interaction of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow and the blades. Then you can use the key physical effect, which restricts its rotation on the screws. Whoever owns this invention will own, first of all, a new understanding of the process and new technology the interaction of mobile media and material and the effect on this material through ionization of the dynamics of any mobile flows. Whoever owns this invention will own the world. Because it is a changed architecture of the foundation of all interactions with the environment in their various states.
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I April 12 2019 14: 32
                    +1
                    But after all, it seems, no one "stupidly", does not hammer, "a new screw"! There was in the "technical" history (in the middle of the 19th century), for example, such an empirical episode: As if by chance (?) A propeller with long blades broke (blade or more ...) ... and it turned out (?) that on the short-bladed propeller the vessel developed a higher speed! Empirical case (as the story goes ...)! It's good that you noticed! But it has not been done for so long! After all, no one claims that the same "propfen" appeared because, as a result of the accident, some blades were bent with a "sickle", and some of the techies drew attention to this and suggested "experimenting"! Design, improvement of screws has long been a "science", "industry" (whatever you want !.). Engineers (even production workers) work within a certain technical concept (say .... "theory of screws" ...), within which hundreds of dissertations have been written. They try everything that can be squeezed out of a screw ... including considering "attentively the process of interaction of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow and blades" with the help of scientific and experimental "tests" ... not empirically! As long as the "screw" suits and will suit the designers, production workers, "exploiters" there will be no revolutionary replacement of the propellers. And all sorts"processes of interaction of hydro-gas-dynamic flow and blades" do not change the essence (!): there is a process of improving the "screws" (ie, the previous mover ...); and not the emergence of a "new" mover on the previous base ...
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov April 12 2019 16: 56
                      0
                      A completely new quality process is not the same base. You need to understand where that part of the foundation that needs to be transformed so that you can step into a new stage of evolution and not fantasize from the ceiling.
                      1. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I April 12 2019 17: 27
                        0
                        And where to get the "new quality of the process" without the old base? Out of thin air? Out of a vacuum? After the collapse of the Roman Empire, the "people" dismantled the fortress walls and built housing: a "new process", but on the same "base"! wink "New quality of the process": the fortifications began to be built not from bricks, but from concrete ... But even here you can find a "base"! If earlier a "block" of clay was fired and a brick was obtained, then later for concrete it was necessary to obtain Portland cement, which was "produced", again (!) By Firing clay and limestone! And it turns out that nothing comes out of nothing ... everything has "roots" .... "source"! You can reach the "insight" that "there is not enough in the soup" (as Khazanov said ...); those. what and how to transform ... but you will transform "part of the foundation". built from materials produced "once" ... Suppose you replace the brick with concrete .. but the concrete will lie in place of the old foundation, for which a foundation pit was dug earlier, waterproofing was laid ...
                      2. gridasov
                        gridasov April 12 2019 18: 13
                        0
                        I think that for example, many megaliths, including Egyptian ones, of course, not all, were not cut out and transported, but still poured. Here is a new quality of the process. It is worth understanding the main thing, if we return to the origins of my reasoning, then the task was to investigate the nature of the motion of fluids. The inventions were associated with the solution of a simple task - not to prevent the flow from moving. Therefore, when this issue was resolved, in particular, in a turbine, an understanding arose of how to apply this method in power plants. For example. How to create ultra-high voltage and current in a linear segment of a conductor or in general a dielectric, but a solid state of aggregation without resorting to external energy sources. And this, by the way, is not my statement of the problem. Hence, nuclear reactors in which alternating magnetic intermittent flux is removed from induction coils that also act as blades. And if you use a well-known liquid with a high degree of ionization of the discharge surfaces, you will find both the reactor and the generator in one monoblock and with two simultaneous functions. In general, this is the level of arithmetic and addition of numbers in order to understand both the sequence of the process and the simplicity of achieving the result
              2. sogdy
                sogdy April 12 2019 13: 25
                0
                Quote: gridasov
                If you can analyze all the processes in their algorithmic connection on the rotor blades and do the opposite

                The process is diverging. Did you send it so culturally?
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov April 12 2019 16: 57
                  +1
                  No, I correctly invite you to think and hint. What is easier.
        3. demo
          demo April 12 2019 11: 03
          0
          Sir!
          "The Krylov State Scientific Center has patented the hull of a warship, which, according to the developers, must have unique properties. Representatives of the center claim that thanks to the unique contours, the patented sample will provide the ship with increased speed."
          And you are talking about "The only question is, what am I talking about a fundamentally new mover and the use of the principle in it ..."
          The article is not a word about the propulsion system.
          And there are words about new forms.

          And more.
          As a person related to both science and development, I am seriously bothered by the following wording:The model of the new building was tested in the experimental pool, proved its effectiveness during numerous inspections, after which a patent was issued for it.
          Especially the word patent.
          If we are going to hide from the eyes of this vessel, then why the hell is a patent?
          If we put a ship on display, and in the seas-oceans our competing partners (tudy them in the liver) are not blind, but even very big-eyed, then you can hide behind a patent like a fig leaf in a bathhouse.
          Well, who will answer me - the fig is a goat button accordion !?
          The answer is - to break it to .... does not fit.
          That is: a set of words, a set of cliches, a set of actions - what is this for?
          The Kingdom of Heaven to my elder friend, who did oh how much for the country, said in such cases the phrase - I managed to be born once, and in this country.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 12 2019 11: 30
            +2
            Alas ... have you heard about "globalization"? The reality is that by failing to patent an idea, design, developer in time, the country loses much more than by “making it secret”! And it loses not only priority!
            1. demo
              demo April 12 2019 12: 08
              0
              And I heard. And I understand.
              But!!!
              For example, we have China.
              Which 95% of its products rivets according to drawings and patterns copied from other people's products.
              And it is deeply parallel to what everyone else thinks about it. Including patent offices of different countries.
              It is enough to change, say, the diameter of the bolt used from 10 to 12 in one product, and the thread pitch from 1,5 to 2 and that’s all, the patent is not related to such a product.
              The final product is patented.
              But nobody has yet succeeded in patenting the idea, principle, method.
              I had to prove for a year that it is difficult to compound the word underlying the brand name has priority, in relation to the rest, position.
              And in response to me - but the constituent parts - they are not someone else's intellectual property.
              So, gathered together, they cannot be considered your property.
              I will answer them - but the letters are not someone else's property either. The alphabet cannot be patented (Well, if you are not Cyril, or Methodius).
              Why are names consisting of letters of a non-patentable alphabet patentable.
              In short. FALSE.
              So far they haven’t given money - they have taxed.
              So it is here.
              Tomorrow, the Chinese or Americans will release the same boat, with the same contours.
              Ну и что?
              We patented it at home.
              And our patent is not even considered in many countries. As if the country "did not come out in height and face."
              This surprised me and bothered me.
              And the rest - yes.
              But a patent is protection of intellectual property from unauthorized use.
              And the patent holder has the right to grant someone the right to produce products on the basis of this permission for a limited period of time. This permission may be given for or without remuneration.
              But even the patent itself is not eternal.
              And has a time limit.
              5-10-15 years have passed and the patent is canceled.
              And the product went for a walk around the world.
              Well, why the hell do you want to fence the garden if, so, pan, what is so, gone?
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I April 12 2019 15: 21
                0
                Oh well ! They didn’t tell anyone, they didn’t offer anyone, but they did it only "for themselves"! And do you think that this will be "good"? I think that there will be no ... (or a very, very short-term ...) We will give the "made" ships to the fleets, we will place them on the bases ... and to visit "foreign" ports ... How long will this "open secret" remain? US "Zumwalt" ... New! "Innovation"! Well, shtatovtsy do not hide it "from everyone"! Because it's useless! Will there be many "innovative" ships built in Russia in an "environment of the strictest secrecy"? I think that a little ... If only because the fleet will not have money! And shipyards "all over the world" will soon build such ships "without a twinge of conscience"! And under no law do you demand a penny ... because there will be no law ... Russia will not have patent rights! And so ... at least there will be some grounds ... By the way, if Russian shipyards are the first to actively take up the construction of "innovative" ships, then by the time when "foreign Russia will have ships and experience. And in this case, "foreign" countries will be more willing to buy ships, namely, Russian-built ... What is better for Russia? "On the sly" build five ships ... and that's it ... or sell much more to the "world"?
            2. gridasov
              gridasov April 12 2019 12: 42
              +1
              And I agree with you! However, there are such inventions that patent it to harm both yourself and those to whom you can give them.
          2. sogdy
            sogdy April 12 2019 13: 34
            0
            Quote: demo
            Well, who will answer me - the fig is a goat button accordion !?

            http://bastion-karpenko.ru/korvet_cnii-45_xxi/
            1980 t., 30 c., 24 Caliber instead of 8 on existing ones.
            Wave impedance is reduced by half, the total by a quarter (s)
            It seems that these are not ships of large tonnage.
            1. demo
              demo April 12 2019 13: 54
              0
              So I did not say a word against.
              I am for it!!!!
              For me - the more weapons on a ship, the better.
              1. sogdy
                sogdy April 12 2019 14: 01
                0
                Nii, my goodness! I'm only about a goat and button accordion.
        4. dgonni
          dgonni April 12 2019 11: 41
          0
          Here from zis increase of a waterline? The draft can increase, and the waterline is such a strip on board the vessel, which shows this draft. It is laid constructively in the design. Different for different conditions and environments. That bish in fresh water sediment will be higher than in marine at the same weight load. And what is this nonsense to interfere with a bunch of propulsion and power plant? The mover can be, a screw, a wheel, a paddle and, t, d. And this engine is the power plant that drives the propulsion.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy April 12 2019 13: 40
            +2
            Quote: dgonni
            Here from zis increase of a waterline?

            As you rightly noted, this is an increase in precipitation.
            Well, they think in such perverted categories. Well, do not die now.
            1. dgonni
              dgonni April 12 2019 13: 48
              0
              laughing Is there a kindergarten for people?
              1. sogdy
                sogdy April 12 2019 13: 51
                0
                No, slang formed from the history of design (a group of Germanic languages) and calculation requirements.
            2. Beregovic_1
              Beregovic_1 April 13 2019 11: 58
              0
              It’s still not clear to me what the Krylov’s got there. An increase in capacity is an increase in the completeness of the contours, but the completeness leads to an increase in the wetted surface and an increase in the friction of water. They could lick the contours and increase the draft to maintain stability .... Or play with the Froude number ... For hundreds of years, the contours have licked. What else can you come up with ???
      3. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich April 13 2019 09: 46
        0
        Oh, how smart everyone is ... I’m generally a humanist. And the textbook on higher mathematics, by chance I saw, was in the female hostel of the Polytechnic. :-)
    2. evgic
      evgic April 11 2019 20: 26
      +4
      Well, as for the years, it’s clear, just a reference to the institute. But the connection between hydrodynamics and capacity eludes me. Looks like the author didn’t eat something. Or tasted but not that.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 April 11 2019 20: 31
        +16
        Quote: evgic
        Well, as for the years, it’s clear, just a reference to the institute. But the connection between hydrodynamics and capacity eludes me. Looks like the author didn’t eat something. Or tasted but not that.

        The visiting card of modern journalism is not to delve into the details, NOT to delve into, not to delve into anything at all ... The main thing is to give out a sensation, and the accuracy of the transmitted information does not really matter ...
        1. tasha
          tasha April 11 2019 20: 37
          +7
          The main thing is to give a sensation
          You are of course right. But we must also consider that uniqueness is required from journalists, shorter anti-plagiarism. So the poor fellows are forced to pick up synonyms, cut out pieces and distort the source text in every possible way. We add here a poor knowledge of the subject area, and so, hmm, masterpieces turn out ..
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 April 12 2019 21: 56
            0
            Quote: tasha
            You are of course right. But we must also consider that uniqueness is required from journalists, shorter anti-plagiarism.

            How can I tell you - when I was writing my dissertation, diploma, coursework - I was also required to anti-plagiarism, but at the same time it was required to convey the scientific meaning of what was described without the slightest distortion, because otherwise it would be nonsense. And somehow it turned out to bring the originality of the text to 85-90%, as they say the Russian language is called "great and mighty" for a reason. So the person either does not understand the topic, or does not speak the Russian language properly, and the latter for a journalist is generally not at all seams ...
      2. Genry
        Genry April 11 2019 21: 07
        +12
        Quote: evgic
        But the connection between hydrodynamics and capacity eludes me.

        There is a connection.
        A substantial part of the ship is occupied by engines and fuel tanks. Reducing their size (by reducing the required power) increases the space for weapons.
        1. evgic
          evgic April 11 2019 21: 10
          +2
          I didn’t think of it, of course, the connection is not direct, but there is
        2. gridasov
          gridasov April 11 2019 21: 18
          +4
          Well, you see, I'm not the only one who sees logical dependencies.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 11 2019 22: 06
            +3
            Quote: gridasov
            Well, you see, I'm not the only one who sees logical dependencies.

            Logical dependencies, of course, it’s good and useful ... only after reading the article, I had one question — but how will this development help not even in 5 years, but ten in the quantitative and qualitative production of warships for our fleets? And how much you can fly and invent, but in practice there will be no exhaust useful for life.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 11 2019 23: 34
              +4
              Well, this is what those who consider themselves masters of Russia wish.
      3. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth April 11 2019 21: 46
        +6
        As I understand it, the new case with the same weight will give a higher speed due to reduced resistance. But if we take speed as a constant, then the new body will be able to take a lot of mass. Well, that is, with a new hull, the vessel will be able to develop a higher speed with the same mass, or carry a larger mass at the same speed.
        I apologize for any absurdities like "carrying the mass", I just tried to express my thoughts in simple language.
        1. xASPIDx
          xASPIDx April 12 2019 01: 37
          0
          roughly speaking, you can stir up the battleship with the speed of a cruiser?
        2. sannyomd
          sannyomd April 12 2019 10: 42
          0
          This still needs to be proved in practice))
        3. sogdy
          sogdy April 12 2019 13: 49
          0
          Quote: forty-eighth
          As I understand it, the new case with the same weight will give a higher speed due to reduced resistance.

          Vashcheta, no. You will get less resistance at the same speed - no more. Those. the shear force of a larger mass will still require less.
          If only it would not sink.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy April 12 2019 13: 59
            0
            Quote: sogdy
            need a smaller one.

            of course the "lesser"
      4. nznz
        nznz April 11 2019 22: 04
        +1
        explained above already. For me, I’ll explain from the opposite - a heavily loaded ship will be immersed in water for the most part of the hull — everyone knows the hull resistance on the move will be significant. The new hull type allows you to maintain speed with increased load.
      5. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 12 2019 01: 20
        +5
        Quote: evgic
        the connection between hydrodynamics and capacity eludes me.


        Right now I will explain! If more "all sorts of things" are loaded into the "traditional" hull, then the "displacement" will increase ... the "waterline" will rise ... the hydrodynamic resistance will increase. Problems: speed decreases, fuel consumption increases, "cruising range" decreases " ... The "innovative" body can be loaded more with the same parameters. Moreover, if you do not "overload" the ship, then it will move at a higher speed with a nominal fuel consumption, compared to a "traditional" ship of the same displacement ... It is possible to build an "innovative" ship of a larger displacement (larger in size) with X engines. ... and it will move at the same speed, with the same fuel consumption; as a "traditional" ship of lower displacement on the same X engines ...
        PS I think so!
    3. Sky
      Sky April 11 2019 20: 34
      +10
      Probably, it was meant that with the new optimized hull contours you can increase the displacement of the ship without losing speed characteristics or increasing the power of the power plant, but you can put more launchers into a larger hull. request
      I’m more interested in why there is such a good wave along the model’s deck, it seems that some elements are missing)
      1. beeper
        beeper April 11 2019 23: 39
        +5
        I’m more interested in why there is such a good wave along the model’s deck, it seems that some elements are missing)

        hi It was the testers who drove the experimental model of a large surface ship at a proportional superspeed of a light torpedo boat, so that they practically reached the limit, since the deck and sides of the tank, the bow of the hull, began to wash with a continuous layer of water displaced by the stem (and the bulb on it ?!) water film ", and on the poop, the deck of the deeply sagging stern, the waves went on a spree. smile
        Apparently in this way, the testers found out, for a proportional recalculation, the correspondence of the experimental and theoretical limit of the attainable speed (without loss of stability of the "built in metal" ship hull) in the case of using the "ideal propulsion device (by the unlimited power transmitted to the" stop "- not only the rowing propeller or water cannon, but also any other winked ) "?! smile
    4. Glavpur
      Glavpur April 11 2019 20: 56
      -2
      Quote: dgonni
      I alone did not understand what kind of incomprehension the author wrote? Moreover, the hydrodynamic quality to the number of deployed weapons, I personally do not understand.

      You are not alone, read on the comments and you’ll understand everything .... It’s not fashionable to praise Russia now .. hi
    5. Tusv
      Tusv April 11 2019 21: 23
      +4
      Quote: dgonni
      I alone did not understand what kind of incomprehension the author wrote? Moreover, the hydrodynamic quality to the number of deployed weapons, I personally do not understand.

      How be so. Take a basin. We put a brick in it, run it into the water - it does not sink. Add a second brick and the basin goes to the bottom. We’re upgrading the basin body and it doesn’t sink with two bricks
      1. Sky
        Sky April 11 2019 21: 41
        +1
        Quote: Tusv
        We modernize the basin body and it does not sink with two bricks

        I do not understand how improving hydrodynamics can increase buoyancy?
        1. Igor V
          Igor V April 11 2019 22: 23
          0
          What an interesting article makes you think! laughing
      2. Marat79
        Marat79 April 11 2019 23: 07
        +1
        Confuse HYDROSPEAKERS and buoyancy.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 12 2019 10: 26
          0
          Buoyancy improves with appropriate use of hydrodynamic processes
      3. Dmitry Bolotsky
        Dmitry Bolotsky April 12 2019 00: 15
        +2
        Vladimir, rzhunimaga! Sorry, we take one VAZ (basin), we put a brick in it .... Everything, further on your text ... laughing
    6. Marat79
      Marat79 April 11 2019 23: 01
      0
      Obviously, this means the possibility of increasing certain dimensions of the vessel without loss of seaworthiness in terms of speed and fuel consumption. Most likely widths. The body is immersed in water and it resists its movement, the greater the frontal pressure of the oncoming mass, the greater the braking. Plus friction. So they made such contours that reduce this effect. No need to be an expert. Enough and school physics.
    7. ver_
      ver_ April 12 2019 01: 54
      0
      ... I did not understand - to cry or laugh and in what place ..
    8. srelock
      srelock April 12 2019 05: 39
      +1
      Quote: dgonni
      I alone did not understand what kind of incomprehension the author wrote? ...

      Reducing the hydrodynamic resistance of the vessel, ceteris paribus, allows you to significantly reduce the mass of the power plant and fuel.
    9. total commander
      total commander April 12 2019 10: 55
      -1
      Missiles will launch in the opposite direction to the ship, acting as powder accelerators. The more missiles, the greater the speed. Only after the last rocket is everything really bad. wassat
    10. venik
      venik April 12 2019 15: 14
      0
      Quote: dgonni
      I alone did not understand what kind of incomprehension the author wrote?

      ==========
      Alas! I'm afraid you are not alone !!! I personally did not understand either !!!
    11. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka April 13 2019 00: 37
      0
      How many tons of clover were obtained after threshing the chill from each hen - hen? Not at all? That country will get the same amount from this patent.
    12. sniperino
      sniperino April 13 2019 10: 19
      +1
      Quote: dgonni
      Moreover, the hydrodynamic quality to the number of deployed weapons, I personally do not understand.
      The energy released when the resistance decreases reduces the speed of the vessel, which depends on the ratio of the rated engine power to the weight of the vessel (with equipment). You can not increase the speed, but increase the weight of the vessel, while maintaining the same speed.
  2. tasha
    tasha April 11 2019 20: 27
    0
    the shape of the ship will give minimal hydrodynamic drag. It will decrease by 25-30%. it will increase the number of vertical launchers placed on the ship, and expand the standard ammunition of warships of the distant sea and ocean zones one and a half to two times.
    Sailors, help! I can't understand the authors of the news. Here, for example, what RAMBLER writes: “The experiment showed a decrease in hydrodynamic resistance by 30 percent.Plus new ship architecture allows you to place in it a lot more weapons: vertical launch missiles, air defense systems, anti-ship and anti-submarine defense. The capacity of the hull, in comparison with the current ships, has grown by one and a half to two times. "That is, resistance and propulsion are separate, and the capacity is separate. Understand correctly?
    1. Glavpur
      Glavpur April 11 2019 20: 58
      -2
      Quote: tasha
      Do you understand correctly?

      No, now the patent will be sent, with comments and drawings ..
    2. Corn
      Corn April 11 2019 21: 22
      +1
      What is there to understand, they made a more elongated body with a large sweep and a smaller cross-section. They increased the speed and efficiency of the course due to maneuverability and stability.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 12 2019 14: 15
        0
        Quote: Corn
        made a more elongated body with a large sweep and a smaller cross-section.

        How would it reduce capacity.
        Try it here
        http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2380268
        1. Corn
          Corn April 12 2019 16: 42
          0
          This will increase the longitudinal and transverse torque, which will affect the rigidity of the entire structure and, as a consequence, reliability. And capacity .... no one forbids making an infinitely long sausage of any capacity.
          Regarding the patent on your link, such gratings (and any screen) will really reduce the resistance of the ship's hull, only the grating itself will have such monstrous environmental resistance that there can be no talk of any practical application of such technology in shipbuilding.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy April 14 2019 16: 03
            -1
            Quote: Corn
            such gratings (and any screen) will really reduce the resistance of the ship’s hull, only the grating itself will have such a monstrous environmental resistance,

            Wang, you do not know how to read.
            1. Corn
              Corn April 15 2019 18: 34
              0
              Instead of vanging, they could at least try to substantiate their opinion, it would turn out much more convincing.
              The purpose of the invention is the creation of a device for the hull of a displacement vessel, reducing its hydrodynamic resistance.

              This goal is achieved due to the fact that in the fore part of the vessel a device is installed in the form of a spatial lattice having channels formed by horizontal and vertical planes, and which fits its fore part by 1/3 of the length of the vessel. The bow shape of the hull is wedge-shaped, the sides are straight vertical, the bottom is flat along the entire length of the vessel.
              I repeat, the author of the patent did not lie, such a vessel will indeed have near-zero hydrodynamic resistance, it remains a matter of little, to figure out how and how to pull this lattice in front of the ship.
    3. sogdy
      sogdy April 12 2019 14: 12
      +1
      http://bastion-karpenko.ru/korvet_cnii-45_xxi/
      It seems they stole from here.
      1. tasha
        tasha April 12 2019 14: 15
        0
        So Bad told about military secrets. smile
        Everything became clear. Thank you very much!
        1. sogdy
          sogdy April 12 2019 14: 17
          0
          Vashcheta, this is pulled from the magazine "Shipbuilding"
      2. Corn
        Corn April 12 2019 16: 46
        0
        So what's the "know-how"?
        Similar contours of the underwater hull have many modern ships.
    4. sniperino
      sniperino April 13 2019 10: 48
      +1
      Quote: tasha
      The capacity of the hull in comparison with current ships has grown in one and a half to two times.
      I think that this is not about capacity, but about the weight of additional weapons while maintaining the same speed.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino April 13 2019 11: 00
        +1
        Quote: sniperino
        it’s not about capacity, but about weight
        P.S. And you can increase the length along the waterline, i.e. capacity.
  3. URAL72
    URAL72 April 11 2019 20: 28
    +5
    I hope this will be the hull of the modernized frigate. Maybe there will be enough old turbines, then the process will go faster.
  4. AVA77
    AVA77 April 11 2019 20: 32
    +1
    Interestingly, this patent is a worldwide patent, or only in Russia.
    the whole world then it might have to be classified. In China, they’ll see they blind the same and no spies are needed. And we won’t do it anyway.
    1. MY THOUGHT
      MY THOUGHT April 11 2019 20: 46
      +3
      We’ve already secreted the radio once, now the whole world uses it and believe that it was invented by Marconi pasta, not Popov, and the Chinese will copy it by eye wassat
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 April 11 2019 21: 19
        +1
        Well, tech Marconi was the first to patent and not invent. This is a two-edged sword. Either money for a patent, or an advantage in shipbuilding, which you can steal, patent and receive money for a patent. (paradox) request
        1. sogdy
          sogdy April 12 2019 14: 21
          0
          It is worth noting that Popov and Marconi have different principles of reception and transmission and reception and reproducing devices.
          Now we use diffusers, not coal ones.
    2. ded_mazai
      ded_mazai April 12 2019 00: 44
      -3
      This patent is only for the Moscow River.
    3. sogdy
      sogdy April 12 2019 14: 27
      0
      When the Anglo-American patent system was introduced, a mutual inspection system was introduced. Which the Americans violated.
      A military patent has a term and the ability to pay a new term, during which the patent will have a blocking effect.
      No, you can still get around a patent, the USA is a country of lawyers, China does not recognize patent law on its territory - such a bonus to manufacturers.
  5. alexandrmakedo
    alexandrmakedo April 11 2019 20: 36
    +4
    Quote: evgic
    Well, as for the years, it’s clear, just a reference to the institute. But the connection between hydrodynamics and capacity eludes me. Looks like the author didn’t eat something. Or tasted but not that.

    It doesn’t matter. The contours of the hull is not only the surface part, but, most importantly, the underwater. The hydrodynamic quality depends on many factors, including (in the simplicity of explanation) - the ratio of width to length. Apparently, the best ratio was found, and at the same time, more launchers are located in the new width. On the surface of the rest, the rest is the same artillery and other gadgets.
    1. Fregate
      Fregate April 11 2019 21: 20
      +1
      It is strange that in the entire history of world shipbuilding, and the ship was still being built by Noah, only now they found the best ratio of width to length. But they found something there judging by the increase in space for b / c. smile
  6. prior
    prior April 11 2019 20: 37
    -1
    I remember in the film "Genius" the protagonist pasted over the toilet with patents of his inventions.
    Everything is as usual, in the invention of patents, and in the production of impotent.
    1. Fat
      Fat April 12 2019 12: 51
      +1
      Quote: prior
      I remember in the film "Genius" the protagonist pasted over the toilet with patents of his inventions.
      Everything is as usual, in the invention of patents, and in the production of impotent.

      You don't remember very well. The toilet was exquisitely covered with "AUTHOR'S CERTIFICATE". An international patent is a costly thing and only specialized research institutes could master it.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 12 2019 14: 31
        0
        Quote: Thick
        Tolstoy (Pestrikov Andrey Borisovich)

        I’m waiting for you to express yourself on the topic. Current is not obscene!
  7. Yura
    Yura April 11 2019 20: 38
    +3
    With the diameter of the circle equal to the side of the square into which it is inscribed, the area of ​​the square is always larger, this is an image for oneself. Further, we will consider the hull of the ship with the new found contours (shape) ideal, with the same basic dimensions of the ship, increase the displacement, moreover, it will significantly increase speed or can a smaller engine be installed, which gives additional autonomy? Come on?! Friends, am I thinking in the right direction or are my speculations just that?
    1. sogdy
      sogdy April 12 2019 14: 32
      +1
      Quote: Jura
      Friends, am I thinking in the right direction or are my speculations just that?

      http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2380268 - где-то оттуда.
      1. Yura
        Yura April 12 2019 14: 55
        0
        Thanks, I found it, I read it, I need to think it over. hi
        1. sogdy
          sogdy April 12 2019 14: 57
          0
          Quote: Jura
          need to think

          Especially the consequences.
  8. ded_mazai
    ded_mazai April 11 2019 21: 03
    +1
    And where is the patent reference? The chatter is already fed up.
  9. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 11 2019 21: 05
    +3
    Where is Gridasov? Gridasov, go out! Without you, no one can correctly comment on a note!
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 11 2019 21: 22
      +5
      Unfortunately my lack of understanding for some, for others is of interest. One cannot endlessly urge that some people see processes differently than most. Yes, my thinking is not standard, but the logic in them is more than others
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 11 2019 22: 06
        +5
        Quote: gridasov
        some people see processes not like most. Yes, my thinking is not standard, but their logic is more than that of others
        From modesty you obviously will not die ... No.
        Just explain to normal people: "who are THEY" ... well, those with non-Euclidean logic !? lol
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 11 2019 23: 44
          +8
          Euclidean logic is the logic of analysis of low-potential and low-capacity data parameters, besides with low parameters of the transformation speed of this data. Moreover, it is mathematically binary. And in the foundation it’s funny to watch how they try to analyze the analysis of hyper speeds and big data by such mathematical methods. Therefore, I don’t even try to explain to many that the analysis of physical processes having a set of parameters qualitatively different from low-potential and based on mathematical methods is also fundamentally different from those about which I say. And the term immodesty is inappropriate here.
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx April 12 2019 06: 33
            +3
            To dip! give two! +100
          2. sogdy
            sogdy April 12 2019 14: 35
            0
            Quote: gridasov
            And in the foundation it’s funny to watch how they try to analyze the analysis of hyperspeeds and big data by such methods

            So pokes or pokes them?
    2. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by April 11 2019 21: 32
      +5
      Do not remember the devil, in vain! After all, it will come, again, the brains will spin into the tube laughing
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 11 2019 23: 48
        +3
        But you want to live, and you will clutch at the twig when the time comes. So what does the brain have to do with the tube. It’s time to understand that the survival criterion is not the achievements themselves, but their pace and growth parameters. And they are many orders of magnitude lower in Russia. It is necessary to really assess the country's potential and basic achievements in science and technology.
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by April 14 2019 00: 36
          0
          Well, it started))
          You still tell me that the criterion for the survival of the country is not its resources, but their growth rate. No, in the long run, GDP growth plays a role, but if it suddenly dawns on it, whatever the current growth rate of the GDP, say, in the same South Caucasus or Japan, this rate of country's survival in the conflict will not provide. The simplest blockade of the supply of resources instantly resets any growth rate.
          It, of course, here we are not shoveling data in arrays, this is your prerogative. Here we just sip soup cabbage when we are not walking in the air.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov April 14 2019 09: 46
            -1
            I do not dispute or justify any opinions. I collect and take them into account and analyze them. Therefore, there is logic in your reasoning, but the description and modeling algorithms are very short and too small in the input data.
  10. Antokha
    Antokha April 11 2019 21: 07
    +2
    And I don’t understand why to patent such an invention. Do we seriously believe that the Americans will not copy such a form, because it is patented? It’s necessary to keep secret, and keep quiet about it, making ships.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 11 2019 21: 35
      +8
      Americans can copy the Su-57 glider - it is in sight, probably every rivet is photographed, but will this help them create a continuation of the F-22?
      They have already been burned once, according to the book "Method of edge waves" they have created an expensive, subsonic, weakly armed, barely staying in the air plane. Which had only one plus - not visible by radars. You know the end of the story.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 12 2019 14: 38
        0
        Mdya From page 69 we take pi equal to 5, because somewhere an error crept in, and look for breaking (x)
  11. alexandrmakedo
    alexandrmakedo April 11 2019 21: 19
    +1
    Quote: ded_mazai
    And where is the patent reference? The chatter is already fed up.

    Would you like to read? Believe me, the most boring occupation for a person who is an outsider and does not work in this area.
    Further. In any field of patents a dime a dozen. Not a full eye will not understand the nuances.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 11 2019 21: 38
      0
      Exactly, I remember once we were given the task of finding three patents from any field of choice. Gooospodi .... how boring it is described: black-and-white schemes, minimalist drawings, the same descriptions ... you look and think: well ... what is this ... for ... did it even have a prototype? Or just dreamed in a frenzy of substances?
  12. alexandrmakedo
    alexandrmakedo April 11 2019 21: 23
    +5
    Quote: Anton
    And I don’t understand why to patent such an invention. Do we seriously believe that the Americans will not copy such a form, because it is patented? It’s necessary to keep secret, and keep quiet about it, making ships.

    To patent. Definitely. Irrevocably. And, if it will be known that the patent materials were used by someone, take the loot. According to the court. Arresting criminal property wherever available.
    Any secret becomes publicly available already when documents, drawings are reproduced for transferring them to pilot production. Not to mention serial production.
    If you do not patent, then try to take the same loot, if you do not have evidence of your priority.
    Popov, a Russian citizen, argued in approximately the same way, without patenting a radio device. So what? Prokhindey with the surname Marconi did not sleep.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V April 11 2019 22: 38
      +1
      Quote: aleksandrmakedo
      Russian citizen Popov

      He was only a citizen, not a citizen. smile
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 12 2019 14: 41
        0
        Hmm, and, working for the fleet, I had no right to patent on my own.
  13. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 11 2019 21: 25
    +5
    What is there to understand - weapons, fuel, living quarters of the ship, this is volume and mass. Everyone knows the Archimedes law? Why do metal ships float everyone knows? Only the volume of the displaced water in the form of the underwater part of the ship's hull is also the resistance of the rest of the water during movement. Looks like they found such a shape in which the volume is kept optimal, and the water flows around it without eddies, and there are no "unnecessary" protrusions.
    Conclusion: you can make smaller ships with a large displacement. Where is my pie for explanation?
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 April 11 2019 21: 43
      +5
      Quote: Wedmak
      Where is my pie for explanations?

      All Gridasov left, he is laconic today, sho Tsar Leonid
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 11 2019 21: 53
        +4
        Dear, these are all trifles. Not the little things are the methods of mathematical analysis of high-capacity data, that is, it is precisely on them that you can build dynamically transformable models of the motion of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 April 11 2019 22: 18
          +3
          Quote: gridasov
          methods of mathematical analysis of high-capacity data

          In this place I experienced a complete embarrassment, but I didn’t hear anything about super capacitors and other drives.
          Quote: gridasov
          that is, it is precisely on them that one can construct dynamically transformable models of the motion of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow.

          In this sentence I will in no way take the meaning of the expression "dynamically transformable motion models", and "transformable motion models" still reach me, but dynamic ones - at least shoot yourself crying But that is .... We, the loons are not available! fellow
          Can the question be off topic?
          Did you vote for Zelensky or smartly?
          1. gridasov
            gridasov April 11 2019 23: 17
            +2
            I’ll explain. Everything changes at different speeds. Is it really difficult to understand? so for example, the flow rate in different parts of the contours will change in each case according to its own algorithms. Moreover, the whole set of changes will be the same. There will be group and individual and general algorithmic transformations .I hope this is clear?
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 11 2019 23: 25
              +2
              Let you take any math sequences with which you will model each contour. However, you can imagine what volume of data you need to process for each bend, speed and vector, etc. All supercomputers will not be able to cope with this. However, on the function of a constant value of a number, we construct a mathematical system as inextricable and at the same time it performs the function of a code that is subjected to machine processing. Each code is already part of this interconnected system, which has the mathematical foundations of relationships.
              1. sogdy
                sogdy April 12 2019 14: 52
                +1
                The data of ac. Yanenko was similarly tried to be considered in institutions supervised exclusively by bespeka. Something they did poorly.
                And Yanenko’s entire laboratory had three people ... And M-220, BESM-6 cars and a terminal from Hippy.
                Don't be smart. Extra data is not collapsed. You will never see the final edition. This is Academician Aleksandrov, who is calculus (then there were 6 of them).
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov April 12 2019 16: 36
                  +1
                  And you're right! It’s impossible to do this on a variable function of a number! But on a constant it’s possible. I’m not smart, but the facts are a stubborn thing, and besides, logic.
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy April 14 2019 16: 05
                    -1
                    About it - no.
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov April 14 2019 16: 29
                      0
                      And right!
          2. gridasov
            gridasov April 11 2019 23: 32
            +4
            Regarding the elections in Ukraine, I dare say that society has degraded so much that it’s necessary to change the worldview of a whole generation of people in order to change something. Therefore, Zelensky is unlikely to be able to change anything, well, unless he picks something. Others do not they want and cannot live otherwise. Therefore, smart people live their own minds, and do not engage in politics, unless of course it brings income.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy April 12 2019 14: 55
              +1
              How much time has passed from the night of crystal knives to the partition of Czechoslovakia?
              And bespeka believed that degradation needed 3 months.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov April 12 2019 16: 31
                +1
                Exactly enough for a revolutionary situation to mature, and through the eyes of a physicist, a critical potential or the highest point of algorithmic oscillation has accumulated. And all this is essentially the same thing.
        2. Undecim
          Undecim April 11 2019 22: 20
          +2
          Probably designing a concrete mixer? Or refining a distillation cube?
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 11 2019 22: 28
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      Where is my pie for explanations?

      Yes, everything seems to be: Form - spindle, length-to-width ratio - 10: 1, well, and the area of ​​the wetted surface itself ...
      Then an underwater bow bulb appeared, and an increase in speed in 3-4 knots.
      Then he looked at the shape of the bottom with an air cavity — the wetted area became smaller — the speed increased, the hydrofoils — the same ...
      But more recently, I drew attention to the shape of the hull of the launching rocket ships (MRK) ... She surprised me a little ... Maybe there has already been applied "innovation"?
      And about the dimensions and internal volumes, I agree with the comment of "Sky" (Alexander). yes
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 12 2019 09: 06
        0
        drew attention to the shape of the hull of the launching rocket ships (RTOs) ... It surprised me somewhat ...

        Share what you saw there? Because it is not clear, but interesting.
  14. beeper
    beeper April 11 2019 22: 15
    +8
    Apparently, the Krylovites, finally, took the modern trend of Western shipbuilders in placing vertical rocket launchers close to the sides ?! wink
    Then the course of their thoughts is quite understandable - starting from the idea of ​​using the entire internal volume of the hull from side to side (with the obligatory reservation of "volumes for modernization"!), Starting from the idea of ​​using the entire internal volume of the hull from side to side (with the mandatory reservation of "volumes for modernization"!) mid-frame, as full as possible (that is, almost box-shaped in cross-section, as was the case with high-speed sailing barges of the late 10th-early 12th centuries) and with straight sides, while maintaining the "speed ratio (approximately 1 ÷ XNUMX: XNUMX)" length to width, and "licking" the hydrodynamics of the bow and stern in terms of reducing the hydraulic resistance, but also, if possible, leaving them as full as possible (this can be seen in the illustration to the news, one of the "prototypes"? smile ), like the high-speed Italian leaders (for example, the legendary leader of the destroyers "Tashkent", whose hull was designed and built by the Italians by order of our Soviet state, possessed outstanding seaworthiness and speed data) and light cruisers, on which the founders of the Soviet military surface shipbuilding ("lost school" as a result of many years of revolutionary and post-revolutionary "perturbations" and "class approach" - this, a priori amateurish, new "development of the design school" could not do without "involuntarily projected" sea disasters and was very dear to our country and sailors request ).
    That is why (IMHO), pushing off from the "Italian school", our domestic (Soviet, and now, according to this, unclassified, Krylov experimental model I see, and its inherited Russian) surface naval shipbuilding traditionally carried graceful in the contours of its best hulls " Italian "notes and good speed data (even with not the most powerful" machines ") - for example, the domestic post-war destroyers of Project 56. winked
    You need to understand that the design of machines and mechanisms is a "way of compromises" - "winning in one thing, we inevitably lose in another" and building the proportions of the ship's hull for "increased capacity and speed", we lose in the parameters of its maneuverability on the move (which, however , in the "distant sea and ocean zones" probably does not play such a critical role as in the "coastal"?) ?! wink
    Shown in the photo is such a "picture of super speed" of a "wooden" experimental model (obviously a destroyer, or even a cruiser, but not a torpedo boat winked ) this is at what gigantic power and dimensions of "machines" in "metal" it can be achieved in reality (even if somehow miraculously succeeds, as promised and "patented", to reduce the hydrodynamic resistance by 30%, relative to the "reference" ) ?! belay
    Sincerely, as a Russian designer-machine-builder to Russian designers-shipbuilders, I wish the Krylovites, as soon as possible (while still alive), to see "in metal", on the move, this "patented project of the" hull "of the ship of the OCEAN zone", and I together with them I will rejoice at this domestic sea "fire-wielder"! good drinks
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter April 11 2019 22: 50
      +2
      Presumably, due to the new hull contours, to achieve a given speed, it is not necessary to increase the mass-dimensional parameters of the power plant. In this regard, useful volumes are released for the installation of weapons and other "goodies".
      I understood what I read somehow.
    2. gridasov
      gridasov April 11 2019 23: 13
      +1
      It is impossible to build such configurations and shapes so that they ideally correspond to all speeds. This is evident first of all if you build not simple mathematical sequences for drawing contours, but algorithmic ones
      1. beeper
        beeper April 11 2019 23: 53
        +1
        Quote: gridasov
        It is impossible to build such configurations and shapes so that they ideally correspond to all speeds. This is evident first of all if you build not simple mathematical sequences for drawing contours, but algorithmic ones

        hi Usually, the hull of a large missile-carrying (not aircraft-carrying) surface ship of the "ocean zone" is optimized for cruising speed, because its "main job" does not consist in a single swift (at the highest speed) attack, as in the "coastal" torpedo boats of WW1 and WW2.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 12 2019 07: 53
          +1
          Obviously, this is not only such a desire, but also the complexity of providing technology and calculations. So if you optimize the dynamic flows through the propulsion in the front part, then for any speed you can ensure an effective course, and even more maneuverability of any vessel
          1. sogdy
            sogdy April 12 2019 15: 08
            +1
            Quote: gridasov
            and especially the maneuverability of any ship

            Zhukovsky built "ducks" based on the data of the Krylovites.
            Then there was Sikorski with a lifting screw, Tupolev with his wind tunnel.
            And again we came to the same "ducks".
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 12 2019 16: 27
              0
              This is not a duck at all
  15. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 11 2019 22: 42
    +1
    Forty knots will be developed by this credit corps, presumably, if not more. With the excitement of the sea five points, or even more .... I exaggerate of course.
  16. alexandrmakedo
    alexandrmakedo April 11 2019 23: 57
    +1
    Quote: Fregate
    It is strange that in the entire history of world shipbuilding, and the ship was still being built by Noah, only now they found the best ratio of width to length. But they found something there judging by the increase in space for b / c. smile

    Of course, they will find in the future. And there will be no end to this. The speeds are different. The seaworthiness requirements are different. The carrying capacity is different. Noah, apparently, worked under the direction, but he didn’t think of such a detail as a bulb on his nose. A simple detail, but the nose did not throw out of the wave. And bury your nose too. So, just go ahead.
    Another example is adaptability to ice conditions. We have this indispensable quality. But this makes it impossible to produce a keel, making a stable position to pitching. And such boxes in a good wave hang from side to side like a overfed pig. The contradiction is the ocean, and a good vessel = the one in which the designer was able to persuade different contradictions and chose that middle ground.
  17. alexandrmakedo
    alexandrmakedo April 12 2019 00: 14
    +2
    Quote: Wedmak
    Exactly, I remember once we were given the task of finding three patents from any field of choice. Gooospodi .... how boring it is described: black-and-white schemes, minimalist drawings, the same descriptions ... you look and think: well ... what is this ... for ... did it even have a prototype? Or just dreamed in a frenzy of substances?

    I am cursing by telling what I personally think about the great and unforgettable Albert, ours, Einstein.
    More than 2, 5 thousand patents. But you need to pay attention to the place of his work at that time. Yes Yes. Namely, the patent office. The dodger needs three seconds, after reading the patent application, to immediately compose a formula for an invention that differs in formal terms from the one on the table. And if he is also a swindler, then after writing, arrange it and register in front of the one that is still "under consideration".
  18. health
    health April 12 2019 00: 51
    +1
    After reading the article itself and most of the comments, I realized that the author is better not to write on such topics. Otherwise, how to understand that no one understood anything from the article? ... Some assumptions and guesses.
    The ability not to convey the meaning of the article for those to whom this article is intended is talent ...
  19. Cananecat
    Cananecat April 12 2019 00: 53
    0
    And now attention, a question ... cars have been developing on a computer for years. About what flies, I hope you do not need to remind. But only at the end of the second decade of the 21st century (!) The Russians applied for a mega-super ship patent .... excuse me, but what about other countries? Is the old-fashioned ax building their ships? recourse
    1. sogdy
      sogdy April 12 2019 15: 15
      0
      Patents have long been (since the early nineties) on the Internet. Choose, check out.
  20. for
    for April 12 2019 02: 37
    0
    Quote: dgonni
    I alone did not understand what kind of incomprehension the author wrote? Moreover, the hydrodynamic quality to the number of deployed weapons, I personally do not understand. And what does the reference to the years from which the center began research! ? Am I skiing that doesn’t go, or is there no snow? This is the conclusion :(

    Probably due to a decrease in the size of the engine with a decrease in power (where to get it). In general, it’s clear that the matter is dark.
  21. for
    for April 12 2019 02: 47
    0
    Quote: gridasov
    new mover

    I do not want to be clever, just fix it, you probably meant the engine. Mover - screw, etc.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 12 2019 08: 01
      +1
      The conversation is about a new mover and a new high-quality process provided for it. The mover’s task is to use the interaction of a mechanical device with a medium or flow flows. At the same time, use the medium’s resistance to the maximum with increasing object speed. The architecture of modern turbines is built on certain fundamental
      algorithmic processes applied on screws, which ensures the process. The new mover radically changes the quality of the conversion process not only of the kinetic energy of the flow, but also of its potential energy.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy April 12 2019 15: 18
        0
        And is the new mover ready?
  22. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui April 12 2019 04: 28
    +1
    In the presented photo, the model looks like a very much like a view of the first ship "Savannah" ... there are not enough rowing wheels, a pair of masts and a bowsprit (a purely subjective opinion). An interesting idea was given - the outer contours of the hull directly affect the ammunition bins being transported ... although if it is a barge dragged on a rope, then yes ... and the hull can also be made of movable cells and pressurizing it properly, it will be possible to increase the capacity of the cellars more times at four (everything will depend on the power of the potduvala fellow ) Ask a question, why am I joking? I just want to see a modern research center from the 21st century with all the bells and whistles accompanying it, but not this trough illuminated by a pocket flashlight with a claim to night trials ... the peeling walls with green paint and a rusty wall the color of children's surprise is visible ... but the patent wassat
    1. Lapunevsky
      Lapunevsky April 12 2019 08: 29
      -2
      In the news, even here on VO - "FCS: in 2018, 370 billion rubles were illegally withdrawn from Russia." Here is one of the answers why you see peeling green walls and not a modern research complex.
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx April 12 2019 16: 39
      0
      And they, experimental pools look like that. Dark, damp, wet. Nothing special is needed there, everything has been invented for a long time.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx April 12 2019 16: 41
        0
        Yes, and science, science, but until you drive it out in the pool, you won’t confirm any digital.
  23. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT April 12 2019 06: 28
    +1
    Somewhere I already saw it! winked
    1. sogdy
      sogdy April 12 2019 15: 22
      0
      Everything always comes back. Does it surprise you ?!
  24. Carib
    Carib April 12 2019 07: 43
    0
    Looking at the contours of the cruisers of the 60s, I thought that even then everything had been calculated and found and patented ... Your deeds are amazing!
    It’s great that now, they’ve found even better forms. Naturally patented. Although knowing that such forms exist, a potential adversary, and even an ally, will be able to re-find them ... and maybe even others ... maybe something better, or more convenient, or .....?
    And here is what I completely agree with Gridasov when it is put into practice in our country, starting from simple - cheap: torpedo, missile, patrol boats and small ships ... and ending with submarines, nuclear submarines, and aircraft carriers ...!
  25. Lapunevsky
    Lapunevsky April 12 2019 08: 26
    -2
    It is very, very good, without sarcasm. Well done shipbuilders! But who is stopping foreigners from ripping off this corps and making warships with it? Will the patent protect? The military has such a concept - secrecy. So no one will allow you to check new projects of warships of other countries for theft of hull form.
    1. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui April 12 2019 09: 54
      0
      Yes, they put a bolt on all this legal patent husk ... themis will whistle your patent rights without forgetting to ask about your duties - have we won a lot of patent disputes international (impatient) lately? I watched a commercial, there they only drive yellow water and be healthy from her nose (which is no longer GUT). But from the Mouzon escort, James Bond immediately seemed to be with a great mooring. Show a photo of the server supercomputer, modern laboratory and working training places for future specialists, their place of residence during their studies, well, etc. I understand when the Boston Dynamics laboratory shows its creations to the general public, where you can immediately see what is being discussed. And here is a plastic banana and 2 times more in the bright future. Say secrets, of course, all around are spies and fifth columns on the march - it’s conveniently so. My claims, of course, have nothing to do with you ... but the flow of information itself is hopeless.
      1. Fat
        Fat April 12 2019 13: 09
        +3
        Quote: viktor_ui
        Yes, they put a bolt on all this legal patent husk ... themis will whistle your patent rights without forgetting to ask about your duties - we have won a lot of patent disputes in recent years

        Not certainly in that way. A patent is necessary at least to ensure that no loer, then, in court does not accuse the author of stealing his own design ...
  26. gridasov
    gridasov April 12 2019 10: 40
    +1
    In mathematics, there are technologies for combining variables of different dimensions. However, if these dimensions are in dynamic transformation, and even more so when there are many such dimensions, then problems arise with this. Therefore, the mathematical technology of such dimensional combinations through algorithms makes it possible to solve the so-called incompatibility. That is, as in the article under discussion, some people do not see the connections in what is represented by a complex with a united set of concepts, processes, dynamics of changes, etc.
    1. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui April 12 2019 13: 54
      +2
      gridasov ... the answer is accepted, but I just can’t correlate everything you expressed with the above photo + dynamic advertising video with the same yellow model body from their official site, and the text of the article itself does not carry the information you presented from the word AT ALL (I write as a non-specialist in this topic and admit that I did not see the connection). Or the photo of the layout does not match the declared post?
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 12 2019 19: 19
        +1
        I repeat once again that you cannot create a uniform shape for different speeds. After all, what is flutter. these are oscillatory algorithmic processes in a flexible form, and in a rigid one it is very easy to determine where the loads on the body are highest. But etl could be determined on missile and aircraft bodies. Therefore, I do not believe this and there is a justification for the impossibility of achieving the stated hyper speeds in atmospheric conditions. And therefore I do not think that 30 percent is real.
        1. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui April 13 2019 04: 38
          +1
          flutter problem arising on the wingtips at certain speeds and atmospheric conditions, at one time, removed the protruding wire with a ball at the end. He looked a lot at his vibrations from the window of the Carcass porthole. I don’t remember who gave this explanation to the snotty kid drinks
  27. Forever so
    Forever so April 12 2019 12: 37
    -1
    Oh, they made fun of it)) Did they reach the Lobyntsev Corps ?? Which has existed for more than a dozen years, but for the "SCIENTISTS" as much as the state scientific center was a revelation. What else with 3.14 we drive haspada scientists ?? I remember, I remember YOUR dumb questions, the letter is still lying in the box.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy April 12 2019 15: 34
      +2
      Quote: Forever so
      Lobyntsev Corps


      about it?
  28. mmaxx
    mmaxx April 12 2019 16: 35
    +1
    Most likely these 20-30 percent in the ratio of the original model. They cut the barge, drove it out, then made a normal hull and, oh, a miracle!
    Somehow I can’t believe that the total resistance can be so reduced in the absolute.
    In general, I’m more likely to put forward a hunch that the person was saying something right, but the journalist retold in his own way, since it is more interesting to the reader.
  29. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff April 12 2019 18: 46
    +1
    30% is what? century of work of all aerohydrodynamics - dog under the tail? They fight for a fraction of a percent, and here - 30!
    Regarding overloading in service, of course, with a given 30 knots, range and 30% gain in hydrodynamics, it would be "real". But all reality breaks down on those 30%.
  30. Shurik_2
    Shurik_2 April 13 2019 07: 55
    +1
    I'm not a big special. on ships, but logically (if of course I correctly saw the waterline influx in the photo) I can assume that the higher the speed of the ship, the lower the water resistance. Cutting the surface of the water creates a wave which abuts the influx on the hull lifts the ship, thereby reducing draft and increasing internal volume, and, accordingly, soon
  31. 123456789
    123456789 April 13 2019 10: 04
    0
    November 2, 2017. 63. The Chinese military conducted the first test of a submarine with a magnetohydrodynamic power plant using superconducting magnets to create strong magnetic fields that push the submarine forward, the portal www.popmech.ru reports. In the power plant there are no moving parts, which makes the submarine extremely inconspicuous.
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff April 13 2019 11: 00
      +1
      Are they repeating Soviet experiments half a century ago?
      By the way, then the ideas of MHD generators were still in vogue. Where are the "green" clerks there? Hang themselves in mills and fry on solar panels?