The Indian Marshal answered questions about the FGFA program and the purchase of the C-400

Chief of Staff of the Indian Air Force Chief Marshal aviation Birender Singh Dhanoa answered media questions about plans to develop the Indian Air Force and Air Defense Forces. Among other things, Dhanoa was asked a question about the specific reasons why India refused to continue joint participation with Russia in the framework of the fifth generation fighter program (in the cooperative version - FGFA).

Marshal asked why the Indian Air Force were not satisfied with the implementation of the program. The answer was somewhat evasive.

Marshall noted that the FGFA program itself is valid for 10 years. A few years ago, the preliminary design phase was completed.

According to Dkhanawa, the country's Defense Ministry notes that attention is primarily paid to obtaining an aircraft that would universal. Marshal B. Dhanoa:

This should be a combat aircraft that can be used both for attacks on ground targets and for air battles. And it is important that we have the opportunity to destroy the threat to our address, long before the plane is detected.

In other words, the Marshal of Indian Aviation once again indirectly raised the issue that the Indian Defense Ministry is not satisfied with the parameters of the “visibility” of the Russian Su-57. In this case, any direct claims to the program Dkhanoa still did not sound.

Marshal Dhanoa noted that India is still focused on the program of its own fighter, the new generation AMCA. Earlier it was reported that India plans to make the first flight tests of this combat aircraft no earlier than 2030 of the year.

An Indian high-ranking military officer answered the question about purchasing C-400 from Russia.

Dhanoa:

The purchase of C-400 is an important step in providing protection against enemy air invasion. We initially relied on long-range air defense / anti-missile defense systems that could work effectively regardless of weather conditions and time of day.

According to the marshal, India has set priorities in this regard, making the right choice.

Comments

[Invoce]

According to Dhanoa, the country's Ministry of Defense notes that attention is primarily paid to obtaining an aircraft that would be universal. Marshal B. Dhanoa:

I would also add that "I would like to be cheaper, preferably free ..."
Hindus are terrible "pragmatists". Trying to win in price - they step on such a rake that a concussion interferes with the perception of reality ...

Marshal Dhanoa noted that India is still focused on the program of its own fighter, the new generation AMCA. Earlier it was reported that India plans to make the first flight tests of this combat aircraft no earlier than 2030 of the year.

"own (Indian) aircraft" in 2030 will be at the level of 2018 aircraft at best ....

[ltc35]

In the field of military procurement in India, such a vinaigrette from the undercover games of interested parties that leaving the fifth-generation joint development program is a predictable result. And the Indian Air Force is now representing the aviation museum of world aeronautics of all ages.

[Nord2015]

Quote: ltc35

In the field of military procurement in India, such a vinaigrette from the covert games of stakeholders

When the Indians are pressed, they very quickly determine the choice and buy, without requiring any technology. The rest of the time, they can choose, sort out, bargain, set delusional requirements for decades ..... There is still a peculiarity - after the purchase they will definitely say that the equipment is not the same, it breaks down, there will be two carriages of nit-picking.

[Greg Miller]

It seems to me that Indians corny believe in American fairy tales about the F-22 invisibility, which sees everyone and shoots everyone, but nobody sees him ... It reminds a computer game with cheat codes. And here the Indians want the same from the T-50, if not more ....

[demo]

This should be a combat aircraft that can be used both for attacks on ground targets and for air battles. And it is important that we have the opportunity to destroy the threat to our address, long before the plane is detected.

Marshal either forgot or does not know that ANY aircraft can be used in ANY situations.
True with varying degrees of success.
And each plane is sharpened for specific goals and objectives.
Which he should carry out.
And to find a car that could combine the functions of an attack aircraft, a fighter and a bomber, and at the same time was the best in each of these cases - this is fantastic.
And more.
India must define its "opponents".
If this is Pakistan, this is one level of technology.
If China, then another.
If the States are the third.
What are you dear, gentleman?

[Nord2015]

Eh. Right Gogolevskaya classic.
If Nikanor Ivanovich’s lips were to be attached to Ivan Kuzmich’s nose, to take some swagger, like Balthazar’s Balthazarych’s, and, perhaps, to add Ivan Pavlovich’s prettiness to this - I would have decided immediately.

[For example]

Quote: demo

India must define its "opponents" ...
If this is Pakistan ....

You forgot to write the main thing - the protection of the sovereignty of the country.
In this case, you do not have to choose from the proposed one.
Any aggressor must be repulsed.

Why are you denying this to India?

[demo]

Protecting the sovereignty of a country is too elaborate and arrogant.
The pilot solves a more mundane and utilitarian task - to shoot down, bomb, attack, etc.
The infantryman is his own.
Tankman, too.
In the aggregate, the actions of all military branches are the defense of the Motherland and sovereignty.
But the weapon that the state gives the warrior has a highly specialized mission.
And based on the capabilities of these weapons, a strategy is being built.
But the strategy is not built by the commanders of mouth-battalions-divisions.
She is being built by the General Staff.
And he, in turn, receives "targeting" from politicians - presidents or prime ministers.
And it is the politicians who decide with whom the primary conflict is, and with whom it is possible to "build eyes."
Well, as it were.
So until the Indians decide which aircraft and for what needs they need, until then we will read articles from interviews of Indian marshals.
Like this one.
And while arguing with each other, hoarse.

[tomket]

Quote: demo

If the States are the third.

States a threat to India? Are you seriously? States are now almost their best friend.

[demo]

This is a speculative assumption.
As the British Prime Minister said (I don’t remember exactly who), Britain has no permanent friends, Britain has permanent goals.

It became embarrassing and climbed into Wikipedia.
I will quote verbatim.
"Therefore, I affirm that it is shortsighted to regard this or that country as a permanent ally or an eternal enemy of England. We have no permanent allies, we have no eternal enemies. Only our interests are immutable and eternal, and it is our duty to follow them." - Speech in the House of Commons March 1, 1848 "
I think that children (Indians) are not far removed from their parents.
And the States are such "friends" that they don't need enemies either.
Worse than hostility with the Anglo-Saxons can only be friendship with them.
I think that in Indians this is burned with a hot iron in the brain.

[tomket]

Quote: demo

This is a speculative assumption.
As the British Prime Minister said (I don’t remember exactly who), Britain has no permanent friends, Britain has permanent goals.

This is a chatter.
In fact, what we have is the US withdrawal from Pakistan. Threat to India from the Pakistan-China coalition. This factor is pushing India towards the United States. As well as the USA towards India, again because of China. Also, have you noticed the transition of the Indians to American weapons? The same participation in the production of "Apaches" for example.

Quote: demo

Worse than hostility with the Anglo-Saxons can only be friendship with them.
I think that in Indians this is burned with a hot iron in the brain.

Yeah, and the Vietnamese are now receiving destroyers from the United States, who also fought with them several decades ago. Something on their forehead is not burning anything.

[demo]

This only confirms what I wrote.
The Vietnamese reasoned as follows: than to live with the old hostility under the threat of Greater China, it is better to hold on to their grievances and pride, and begin to hobble with the Yankees.
But they did not forget anything.
And they will not forget.
There’s just nowhere to go.
We - Russia is not an authority for China. The dragon is growing.
He needs meat and blood.
Oil and territory.
And the Americans are perfectly suited for the role of defenders of Vietnamese democracy (joke).
So we get such strange tricks.
Clearly explained.
Yes, you yourself knew this, but for some reason you decided to harness me into the discussion.

[tomket]

Quote: demo

There’s just nowhere to go.
We - Russia is not an authority for China. The dragon is growing.
He needs meat and blood.
Oil and territory.

You live the stereotypes imposed by Brzezinski. The irrational fear of millions of Chinese that the Americans have driven you.

[demo]

Buddy tomket (Alexander) (can I call you that? ) If you looked at my name, then you would understand that I have something to do with China. Direct or indirect.
And I, who lived among the Chinese, in general terms understand their mentality.
I do not pretend to have a thorough knowledge of the Chinese. But age, horizons, curiosity allowed me to formulate my point of view about this nation.
If interested, read my comments on the past time.
And so, very briefly.
When you walk past a pack of dogs, you take reasonable care.
For dogs in a pack are unpredictable.
Bragging and heroism in such a situation ends badly.
Or torn pants, or a torn throat.
Do you think my fears are based on personal experience or on the opinions of older and older people?
Most likely on the second. And then I either affirm this behavior, or start thinking in my own way.
So it is here.
A verbal cliché, a cliché - "You live by stereotypes imposed by Brzezinski." or it will find its confirmation, or I will think differently.
So.
The Chinese are an unpredictable pack of dogs.
Not in the abusive sense of the word, but in the mental.
And what they think and what message will be approved in that society is not known to us.
But fear China.
To underestimate their capabilities is to put oneself in the role of the humiliated, and then destroyed.
We must be warned and thus armed.
Any reassuring message, such as what you have expressed, leads to certain doubts and thoughts. Specifically - the Cossack mishandled or so, went out for a walk?
If you involuntarily offended, then Sorry!

[VO3A]

Russia itself does not yet know: why does it need such a Su-57? More precisely, the General Staff do not know exactly what it is for and what new capabilities it provides and in which systems it should work .... Moreover, they constantly claim that invisibility is a controversial characteristic and we see everything .... There are no tactical developments, nobody has it we are not waiting for, well, perhaps a brilliant concept called: that it was!

[Alf]

Quote: demo

And to find a car that could combine the functions of an attack aircraft, a fighter and a bomber, and at the same time was the best in each of these cases - this is fantastic.

Why is science fiction? Americans believe that such an aircraft has already been built and his name is Penguin. True, they will not teach him how to fly ...

[Roma 1977]

Barin want the best and free.

[Cowbra]

In general, to throw in a difficult moment a project designed for your participation, and then try to get in when with difficulty and a strained roar, but it was pulled out without you - this is rudeness. IMHO, the Indians can not make any concessions on this issue. They have no option - only the Russian one, the Angles with the French and Japan will not be able to do anything before 2050, the rest will not be sold to them.
Here you go - the avaricious pays twice

[yehat]

Indians are even worse. China is good or bad, but it will make its plane and put it on stream,
while the Indians hesitate. And when the time comes, the Indians will have to give up something valuable and it will be more expensive than the FGFA program

[Yngvar]

I suppose that by 2030, when the Indians plan to withdraw their 5th generation, China will not only put its own aircraft on the stream, but also make its own engine corresponding to the generation.
At that time, our position on further work with the Indians on the FGFA program was interesting ...

[tomket]

Quote: Cowbra

In general, throwing in a difficult moment a project designed for your participation, and then try to get in when with difficulty and a strained roar, but it was pulled out without you is rudeness.

And where did this difficult moment come from? And by whose efforts was it created? By analogy with Rosskasmosom, I would not say that everything is so rosy with us in terms of spending money. Perhaps the Indians are tired of injecting their money without visible returns.

[Horon]

And they poured a lot?

[EnGenius]

The Hindus were pressed by the price for their configuration of the aircraft, which they wanted to make using T-50 technologies, and this is real billions of dollars, for which you could buy dozens of ready-made aircraft. Tales of less stealth - this is only to justify a way out of development, which was not clearly compared there, but it could be data on real characteristics, and not marketing.

[tomket]

Quote: engenius

Tales of less stealth - this is only to justify a way out of development, which was not clearly compared there, but it could be data on real characteristics, not marketing

Perhaps the slip of the t-50 program, with constant shifts, affected. Perhaps Borisov got tired of them with constant promises - that's about to fly! Perhaps the difficulty is just the technical component. I think the Indians are more aware of the real situation than we are.

[MoJloT]

indirectly raised the question that the Indian Ministry of Defense is not satisfied with the parameters of "visibility"

Can someone explain to me how they measured "visibility"? Or is it a visual impression of the glider's camouflage painting?

[Kaw]

They asked and they were told. They were going to buy it, there was no sense in hiding it. Just after the presentation of the Su-57 to the Indian delegation, they left the joint program. At that presentation, one of the aircraft also caught fire.

[Tuzik]

It is quite logical that before the 30th year the Su-30 will completely cope. For ten years, to buy technology as much as possible from advanced countries, to make your own airplane completely, and not to depend on anyone else.

[EnGenius]

Yes, I belittle, they’ve been building their Tejas for thirty-five years already ... They will buy a ready-made Su-57 for export and this will suit them perfectly. Moreover, without technology transfer.

[Tuzik]

Yes, the Indians are Indians, I'm talking about the fact that the general’s thought is logical, and we'll see how it works out for them.

[CommanderDIVA]

If the Chinese buy a batch of su 57 from us, after installing the engines of the second stage, the Indians will conclude a contract for su 57

[APASUS]

Given the existing contradictions between Delhi and Beijing, abandoning the 5th generation aircraft project is suicide for India, and then any arguments can be made ...................

[3vs]

So the Indians and the flag in hand, let them study their manuscripts and try to repeat the vimaana!

[Berkut24]

This should be a combat aircraft, which can be used both for attacks on ground targets and for battles in the air.

Oh, the Americans made such a plane and it turned out F-35. But for some reason, users are not enthusiastic about it.

[123456789]

The purchase of C-400 is an important step in providing protection against enemy air invasion. We initially relied on long-range air defense / anti-missile defense systems that could work effectively regardless of weather conditions and time of day.

The United States will never sell its "invisible" weapons to a country that has the S-400 in service.
Otherwise, the intrigue of the generation will be immediately debunked: "Do they see or do not see?"

[Olegi1]

According to Dhanoa, the country's Ministry of Defense notes that attention is primarily paid to obtaining an aircraft that would be universal.

A universal aircraft is like all-weather tires. In the winter it does not slow down, in the summer it wears out.

[antikilller55]

the marshal of Indian aviation has once again indirectly raised the question that the Indian Ministry of Defense is not satisfied with the “visibility” parameters of the Russian Su-57.

Let's see what kind of pepelats will fly with them in 2030 and with what parameters it wakes up. How "cool" and invisible he wakes up.

[datur]

yeah! buy cheap from americos !!!

[Herman 4223]

If they need an inconspicuous airplane so much, then why the hell do they arrange a tender for a fourth-generation airplane? I will not believe that the su-57 will be worse than any of the aircraft in this competition, and not in all cases more expensive.

[Medvezhya lapa over Ki]

I could shake it, but in no way divided.