Demographics or demagoguery? To the performance of Golikova in the State Duma

April 3 in the State Duma of the Russian Federation took place the speech of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government Tatyana Golikova. The speech was planned, it was held in the framework of the “governmental hour” and nothing supernatural was expected on it. However, the topic of the speech was extremely topical, since it concerned the implementation of national projects in the field of demography, health, science and education.




In principle, sensations did not really happen: the numbers voiced by her, one way or another, already appeared in open sources. Unless from the lips of the vice-premier they sounded more weighty, especially since these were already the official results of various kinds of assessments. And nevertheless, let's say something after her.

First of all, Tatyana Golikova stated the fact that the period of demographic growth in the country was over. In 2018, the population of Russia fell by 99,7 thousands of people. And this is taking into account the fact that migrants continue to arrive in the country (although already in a few smaller quantities). But now even their inflow does not overlap with the so-called natural loss.

Mortality in Russia has increased in every third region. And this is very symptomatic. Yes, a fall in the birth rate can be attributed to demographic problems or a “demographic hole”. Yes, it is possible to write off the fall in natural growth, saying that just women in reproductive age have become less, and they do not have time to reproduce the population. But in this case, it is about the death rate itself, expressed in absolute terms.

And this, as we understand, means the continuing degradation of medical support for the population, a drop in the level of income, deterioration in the diet of the average Russian, lower availability of medicines for him, and so on. That is, this is entirely the “merit” of the current government and Tatyana Golikova personally.

This is partly confirmed by other figures. In particular, the mortality rate of the rural population of the country is 14% higher than in cities. This is still the same problem of the lack of medical assistants, poor transport accessibility of many localities and entire districts, the lack of specialists, the difficulty of getting the so-called high-tech treatment by the villagers. Yes, just within the framework of the mentioned national projects it is planned to build in Russia 350 obstetric points in 2019, and in 2020, approximately 1200 of similar institutions with a high degree of wear will be replaced.

The latter, by the way, is not very clear: replaced by what? On new? Fine. But what about the technical support? With experts? By transport? Replacing the walls and roof is not bad, of course, but it does not solve problems. And while it is somehow not very clear how exactly the problems of staffing such institutions will be solved, because efforts in this direction have been made for a long time, in some regions, according to the program “Zemsky doctor”, one million young people were paid and housing was given, but still The situation remains difficult. Now a miracle happens?

It should be noted that cumulatively for four mentioned projects, namely “Demography”, “Healthcare”, “Science” and “Education”, six trillion rubles are allocated for six years. That is about a trillion a year. For Russia, this is a lot of money, and it seems that a lot can be done on them. But while there are problems even at the initial stage: in the current year, the regions use the allocated funds with slippage, at the moment they have mastered approximately 160 billions, or slightly less 20% of the allocated. If these rates are maintained, it will not be possible to fulfill even what is planned, although so far they have an excuse: winter is not the best time for construction. But will it be better in spring and summer? The question is still open ...

Golikova also noted that many regions have reserves to reduce mortality. And this, of course, is a positive nuance. But at the same time, she recognized that it will be very difficult to achieve a significant increase in the birth rate: 35 of millions of women of reproductive age remain in the country, they are less likely to give birth in their youth, because the focus here has shifted to the age from 25 years. And this means that a woman who gave birth so late, the second child, most likely, will not give birth.

Alas, there are no intelligible incentives for increasing the birth rate in the speech of Mrs. Golikova. Yes, it is planned to create 225 of thousands of places in the nursery, which will allow, according to Tatyana Alekseevna, to stimulate women to an earlier and more active childbirth. After all, the opportunity to continue working with a small child in her arms, according to the deputy prime minister, is almost the main incentive for a young mother.

The fact that the “business woman” of this level thinks in this way is not surprising, because for them work all their lives was paramount. But will this really solve the problem? It is very difficult to say. Yes, of course, it will be useful. But so far it seems that the root of the problems lies much deeper, and the work here cannot be fixed.

Probably, in this case, a whole range of measures are needed to stimulate fertility. Directly on the surface lies the payment of higher education for a young mother, and subsidies at the mortgage rate, and, if you like, the “generic qualification” when taking on the state service. I understand that the latter idea will cause mass hatred attacks among Russian “childfree” young ladies, but still it seems reasonable: giving priority to women with children when they are employed in schools, hospitals, the Interior Ministry, customs, and so on. Then the young woman will indeed have an incentive to give birth early, for in this way she will be able to make a career faster and more efficiently than by remaining childless.

The most important thing is that all measures to reduce mortality should not be considered at all in the plane of solving long-term demographic problems. Yes, this is necessary and important for raising the general standard of living, but demography is first of all the birth rate. And without raising this, all measures to increase life expectancy will only be a delay in the inevitable demographic catastrophe. Moreover, any lacquering of reality in this matter is simply dangerous for the nation.

But while we all listen to the endless mantra “and you first secure!” The woman first wants to live well and beautifully, and only then, perhaps, to have a baby or even (what a favor!) Two.

But “first ensure”, alas, does not work, and this is perfectly proved by the example of many European countries, where the standard of living is almost unattainable for the average Russian, and there are no less problems with the birth rate. That is, this approach itself is flawed, the very stimulation of female employment.

And good News we will only wait when, in addition to economic measures to stimulate the birth rate, we hear from Golikova about birth qualifications, the absence of benefits for those who were not giving birth when entering university, the courts adjudicating in favor of fathers, and not in favor of walking mothers, and so on. Yes, all this is not economics; all this is a different way of thinking and level.

Therefore, we will never hear from Golikova and other representatives of this government.

Although I would like to be mistaken ...
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  1. Uncle lee April 8 2019 05: 36 New
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    Demography or demagogy?

    What they do not do is not going on!
    Seen on Monday, their mother gave birth .....
    1. Starover_Z April 8 2019 05: 46 New
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      Alas, no distinct incentives for increasing the birth rate are visible in Mrs. Golikova’s speech.

      Interestingly, Madame Golikova is aware of child support after a year and a half ?! What can be done for that allowance ?!
      1. Stas157 April 8 2019 06: 06 New
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        . Mortality in Russia Increases in Every Third Region

        How can mortality increase with increasing life expectancy? According to Rosstat, life expectancy has increased (and a further increase is predicted).
        1. 210ox April 8 2019 06: 30 New
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          I want to note that mortality is even higher in the Central regions, Siberia and the Far East, where Russians live, and the birth rate is high in the Caucasus ..
          1. RUSS April 8 2019 07: 01 New
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            Quote: 210ox
            I want to note that mortality is even higher in the Central regions, Siberia and the Far East, where Russians live, and the birth rate is high in the Caucasus ..

            This year, fertility declined in the Caucasus, for example, in the KCR it became lower than in Russia as a whole.
            1. nils April 8 2019 14: 19 New
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              In the Russian clinic:
              - Doctor, I want to live! Do something!
              - Do you have money?
              - No.
              “Well, why do you need such a life?”

              In a Russian hospital:
              - Doctor, I'm dying, help!
              - In, people! Already they themselves can’t die!

              - Vova, we in the government organized a brainstorming and figured out how to get rid of poverty in Russia! ..
              - So how?
              - In an economic way. It is necessary to introduce a tax on poverty, then it will not be profitable to be a beggar, and poverty will disappear!

              - Kum, why do you think ordinary Russians don’t give a damn about Western sanctions against Russia?
              “Yes, because no American can even dream of a terrible dream, what sanctions are imposed on the Russians by our own government!”

              In the Russian government, the power of mutual responsibility lies in the absence of the extreme.

              - Qum, what do you think of the current government?
              - I will be silent for a while, I will wait until my thoughts become censored!
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            2. Alber April 9 2019 14: 18 New
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              Quote: RUSS
              This year, fertility declined in the Caucasus, for example, in the KCR it became lower than in Russia as a whole.

              Arshukov’s arrest probably played a role
          2. Machito April 8 2019 13: 55 New
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            Golikova admitted her own failure. So what? It will continue to ruin the country. Well, yes, the Second World War and the invasion of Batu are to blame for the demographic decline. Excuse at all times.
            The genocide of the Russian people continues. Optimization, digitalization, nano acceleration and other crap.
            There is no money, but you hold on.
            1. Captain Nemo April 8 2019 19: 24 New
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              Golikova is an incredibly stylish woman. Thanks to her, 2 Muses visited me immediately. A terrific scenario of a new mythological film was born in my head! Well now, the younger Bondurchuk will have something to nominate for an Oscar !!!
            2. Tarhan April 10 2019 08: 15 New
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              Golikova admitted her own failure. So what? It will continue to ruin the country. Well, yes, the Second World War and the invasion of Batu are to blame for the demographic decline. Excuse at all times.
              The genocide of the Russian people continues. Optimization, digitalization, nano acceleration and other crap.
              There is no money, but you hold on.


              It seems that visitors write correctly on this page, but on other pages in a harmonious choir they support this state of Russia.

              They support unrestrained praise of the Caliber, Sarmatians, profaned billions on the Su-57, Armata. Namely, weapons that could be used for medicine and social programs were spent on weapons.

              On what to spend the budget in the first place - Comparison:

              USA.


              RF.


              USA for 2014, but compare the budget structure of the USA and the Russian Federation for medicine, social programs, defense.

              The Russian budget divided defense - 16,2% and national security 12,5%, although national security is an integral part of defense. Total for the defense of the Russian Federation 28,7%. And for medicine 3,5%. Hence the mortality.
          3. Berber April 12 2019 10: 27 New
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            And how would you comment on why? I think the answer is obvious, stop drinking and it's time to work. And yet, Russians, to put it mildly - individualists, do not help each other. And the general level of morality. Achieved that XE COP and LOVE, under the sign of equality. It seems to be called adultery. And so on and so forth.
            This is a whole range of problems. The solution of which is not only in the field of finance and medicine. There are no people in our country's leadership who see the big picture. And to be honest, they don’t really want to delve into it.
        2. Foul skeptic April 8 2019 08: 14 New
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          How can mortality increase with life expectancy?

          It increases in absolute terms (unit of measure is a person), and not in relative ones (unit of measure is ppm). Look at the age and gender pyramid. Many elderly - many deaths from old age - a large total mortality in the whole population.
        3. Per se. April 8 2019 09: 23 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          How can mortality increase with life expectancy?
          Very simply, there are those who increase not only the life expectancy, but also millions in earnings per month. There are others who, on the contrary, increase mortality, and who are advised by the "makaroshka" to live happily on 5-8 thousand per month.
        4. asiat_61 April 8 2019 10: 16 New
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          How can mortality increase with increasing life expectancy? According to Rosstat, life expectancy has increased (and a further increase is predicted).
          Reply ..... The higher the retirement age, the higher the life expectancy. Medicine is powerless before raising the retirement age.
        5. Reklastik April 9 2019 07: 05 New
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          How can mortality increase with life expectancy?
          - Oh, that you, in our country, know, love and know how to handle statistics like you probably do in no other country in the world, otherwise the lie will be completely unconvincing)))) Statistics! good
        6. BIP PS FSB RF April 9 2019 09: 33 New
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          The author intentionally misleads. Specially raised statistics from the state statistics website. 2018 is still not there by the way. But the trend is on the face - mortality is falling every year. But of course, the birth rate is not happy, and I agree with the final conclusion of the author. We need to stimulate it and work with the population - to promote a healthy and full-fledged family

          Years Total, people per 1000 people 1)
          born dead natural increase 2) born dead natural increase 2)
          Whole population
          1950 2745997 1031010 1714987 26,9 10,1 16,8
          1960 2782353 886090 1896263 23,2 7,4 15,8
          1970 1903713 1131183 772530 14,6 8,7 5,9
          1980 2202779 1525755 677024 15,9 11,0 4,9
          1990 1988858 1655993 332865 13,4 11,2 2,2
          1995 1363806 2203811 -840005 9,3 15,0 -5,7
          2000 1266800 2225332 -958532 8,7 15,3 -6,6
          2001 1311604 2254856 -943252 9,0 15,6 -6,6
          2002 1396967 2332272 -935305 9,7 16,2 -6,5
          2003 1477301 2365826 -888525 10,2 16,4 -6,2
          2004 1502477 2295402 -792925 10,4 15,9 -5,5
          2005 1457376 2303935 -846559 10,2 16,1 -5,9
          2006 1479637 2166703 -687066 10,3 15,1 -4,8
          2007 1610122 2080445 -470323 11,3 14,6 -3,3
          2008 1713947 2075954 -362007 12,0 14,5 -2,5
          2009 1761687 2010543 -248856 12,3 14,1 -1,8
          2010 1788948 2028516 -239568 12,5 14,2 -1,7
          2011 1796629 1925720 -129091 12,6 13,5 -0,9
          2012 1902084 1906335 -4251 13,3 13,3 0,0
          2013 1895822 1871809 24013 13,2 13,0 0,2
          20143) 1942683 1912347 30336 13,3 13,1 0,2
          2015 1940579 1908541 32038 13,3 13,0 0,3
          2016 1888729 1891015 -2286 12,9 12,9 -0,01
          2017 1690307 1826125 -135818 11,5 12,4 -0,9
        7. Note 2 April 13 2019 01: 47 New
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          But according to the chief Russian cardiologist, about 30% of the male population does not live to be 60.
      2. Reptiloid April 8 2019 06: 16 New
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        It is ridiculous to blame women on the late birth of their first child. Or a decline in the birth rate for a business woman, there are not so many of them in %%% ... In addition, many of them go into business, already having 1-2 children ...
        They postpone the birth of a child not to spite the minister, but prepare the material base, noticed that if the family is normal, then a second child will soon appear.
        1. stalki April 8 2019 07: 32 New
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          True, you just need stability, if you give the family guaranteed stability in the financial field (work), in education (should not be paid), in the housing issue (a loan for housing without%), they will give birth. In addition, in the minds of expectant mothers, the image is not of a mother, but of a “piggy” (this is a question of the Ministry of Education). And you must give birth to at least three, otherwise nothing. This must be driven into the heads of the younger generation. Cultivate that family is the meaning of life.
          1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 09: 44 New
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            They will not give birth, even with a scree of gold. Europe is an example. With their social buns and salaries, the birth rate is lower than ours. I am afraid that this trend is the decline of the white race, or rather the Christian part of it. Values ​​have shifted to consumption.
            1. Mikhail3 April 8 2019 10: 04 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              They will not give birth, even with a scree of gold. Europe is an example. With their social buns and salaries, the birth rate is lower than ours. I am afraid that this trend is the sunset of the white race, or rather Christ

              I am afraid the situation is simpler, and concerns not only the white race. How was everything before? Young people converged. What happened next? Next, the man built a house and obtained food. The woman also procured food, took care of the dwelling (she defended it) and they had children. Why was this natural? Because the whole life of these young people was in their own hands, understand?
              They could handle any situation around them. With their labor, with their own hands and with tools that they could relatively easily get, they provided their own future and the future of children. They were STRONG AND INDEPENDENT, understand? And now?
              Do-it-yourself young people do not get housing for anything. No way. Only a few unique ones are able to provide what is now considered a worthy life, the rest of the people, especially the younger ones, are helplessly fluttering in a web of forces beyond their control, on which they are completely dependent, and which they can not influence in any way.
              What kind of children can be in such conditions if they themselves do not feel like adults, responsible and strong people, but only dependent, helpless, with little understanding of puppets? Here are the reasons for the decline in the birth rate, and all over the globe ...
              1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 10: 11 New
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                You see, I have three children. All of them took place in life, they have a decent income and their own living space. But none of them wants to create a family. Not to mention children, although they could afford it without any allowances and maternal capital. Consumer society, so it it.
                1. Mikhail3 April 8 2019 11: 30 New
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                  Well yes. Previously, you could protect a child (and if you could not, then all YOUR state would stand up for him), feed and help him in his life. How real is it now even for “held in life" people? The state is no longer “yours”, and it seeks not to protect, but at least to deceive everyone and everything, and even kill if substituted.
                  To feed? Yes, but you can’t be sure of anything! Today there is food, but all this absolutely does not depend on you, not on your friends, but on terribly powerful, and completely outside anyone’s powers. On what subject to throw children into this hell, if you yourself are an unwanted guest here, even if at this moment you have some kind of income?

                  By the way, our “overseas partners” have been playing democracy for centuries. So they achieved high growth in their country - they helped people to deceive themselves and to convince that something depends on them. Cheating has been blown away just now. Centuries of deceit have passed ...
                  1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 11: 49 New
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                    My dad and mom had five of us. No state stood up to help our family, only in words. Blah - blah - blah: a set of dishes, or the like crap, that's all help. One could only dream about improving housing conditions. Incidentally - the seventies. They lived very poorly, things were carrying one after another, despite the fact that both mother and father were qualified specialists.
                    1. Mikhail3 April 8 2019 11: 55 New
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                      With help, do you think all sorts of money? I see ... What kind of mortgage did you pay for housing? For medical care often laid out at 800 thousand rubles per course of tablets? For study, how many thousand rubles? For the fact that the children ran around the courtyard and streets until dark the security company how much they tower? You can go on and on.
                      All this did not cost anything and appeared by itself? Including the calm confidence of your parents that you will not remain hungry, uneducated, unnecessary to anyone, was this also a gift?
                      Your parents gave birth to you and calmly raised you, because they were protected, and felt strong, able to grow up. And all this was true - you grew up, right? You weren’t involved in the AUE gang, you didn’t get involved, you weren’t slapped by majors from boredom, you weren’t attacked in the street and nobody started the “orange revolution” around you.
                      You lacked the latest gear. Ah, what a terrible privation! I burst into tears ...
                      1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 12: 08 New
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                        No, just my parents, and my wife and I, believed that happiness was in children. A mortgage is better than the slums we lived in. Without any chance of improvement. It was then that my parents heard the phrase "why so many births?" And in medical facilities as well. Not everything was so rosy. And I raised my three in the nineties.
                      2. Mikhail3 April 8 2019 13: 12 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Without any chance of improvement.

                        Are you ashamed? There is still such a word - conscience. Have you heard?
                      3. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 13: 18 New
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                        And here is the conscience when they lived in a two-room apartment without conveniences in every way. And over twenty years of life, the area of ​​housing has not grown. Dad is an engineer on a piece of iron, mom is a doctor in a district hospital. Not alcoholics, not criminals. And you tell me about the chances here.
                      4. Mikhail3 April 8 2019 13: 20 New
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                        Well, I was an engineer, I worked at a thermal power plant. Received an apartment, being single. Who are you lying to ?! Rub it to the kids in social networks ...
                      5. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 13: 29 New
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                        Well, my parents were also given an apartment for free, after the birth of their second child. And then they did not wait for any help and improvement. Despite what they wrote to all authorities. Promise yes - they promised. We don’t sow and plant plowshares. And the father’s brother with two children, lived in the famous Leningrad communal apartment - the corridor system. Fifteen years he waited in line for an apartment. I managed to get the truth before the Union collapsed. And here we are - no.
                      6. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 14: 05 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Fifteen years he waited in line for an apartment. I managed to get the truth before the Union collapsed. And here we are - no.

                        And now you ask a simple saleswoman from Pyaterochka how many years she can save for an apartment.
                      7. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 14: 19 New
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                        The fact that the saleswoman of the five, still can buy an apartment, taking a mortgage. And then pass it by inheritance. But the saleswoman from the Soviet deli could not buy an apartment, under any sauce - she could only get it by standing in line and it wasn’t a fact that she would be allocated an apartment. In cities, people, sometimes, have stood in this line for years. It is unknown what is better: buy an apartment here and now, albeit through incredible hardships, or wait in line until your uncle bothers to give you this apartment. And not in ownership, but only in perpetual use.
                      8. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 15: 54 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        The fact that the saleswoman of the five, still can buy an apartment, taking a mortgage.

                        Figures. In our city, sellers from Pyaterochka receive about 20 thousand, and with such income they are sent far and deep to the bank.
                      9. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 16: 13 New
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                        She can, theoretically, find another job and buy herself an apartment, even in Moscow. Would you try to buy a Moscow apartment in Soviet times. Apartments were not for sale, they were issued. Yes, there were housing cooperatives, but this is also a turn and also not cheap. For years, people in the North mantled, then to move to a large city. And to get a Leningrad or Moscow permanent residence permit, there was still that hemorrhoids. Now, having money, you can buy housing wherever you want, in any city and region, and not where you are deigned to allocate an apartment.
                      10. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 16: 20 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        She can, theoretically, find another job and buy herself an apartment, even in Moscow.

                        Do you realize what you are writing? “Theoretically” ... My friend bought one-room in Moscow for his beloved daughter, while he sold a new house in the region, a three-ruble note, and a garage.
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Now, having money, you can buy a home where you want

                        Does everyone have money? My brother-millionaire also verbs. And when I asked him: "And which of your hard workers can buy an apartment"? Shut up instantly. Be, yes Me, not my problem.
                      11. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 16: 27 New
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                        Well, I’m not theoretically, I almost bought an apartment in St. Petersburg, and I took the second in a mortgage, just in case. I come from the Novgorod region, rural. Daughter won an apartment in Khimki near Moscow. Itself made its way.
                      12. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 16: 31 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Well, I’m not theoretically, I almost bought an apartment in St. Petersburg, and I took the second in a mortgage, just in case. I come from the Novgorod region, rural. Daughter won an apartment in Khimki near Moscow. Itself made its way.

                        Do you even know the laws of physics, our village? If somewhere something is added, then somewhere something is taken away. And to look around, you, as I understand it, are scammy.
                      13. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 16: 43 New
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                        I wonder what can take away from whom, the GA pilot? Kerosene, except that, to drain from the board. Programmer - developer? Does the copyright holder code spioner? Owner of a medical consulting firm?
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        I wonder what can take away from whom, the GA pilot?

                        GA pilot injects, I agree. And at the expense of whom? Why could a village grandmother fly to a neighboring village for pancakes, for 3 rubles, but now she cannot?
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Programmer - developer?

                        And you and me, fools, shoes. My Internet has risen in price by 50 rubles since the new year, but what's the point?
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Owner of a medical consulting firm?

                        I do not know such words, do not blame me.
                      15. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 17: 01 New
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                        Oh oh A ticket from St. Petersburg to Vladik costs an average of 25 sput. (There are cheaper, there are more expensive, this is not the point) Salary of a nurse. Under the USSR, the exact same ticket cost exactly 122 rubles. Again the salary of a nurse. The programmer is not related to Internet providers, he simply writes code that is in demand in a particular industry and receives money for this, that is, he works with the head. Medical consulting is an inverse relationship between medicine and the pharmaceutical industry, in short. And my friend, also decommissioned, generally puts stoves - fireplaces. But he is a Master and earns a little less than at the helm.
                      16. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 17: 16 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Oh oh A ticket from St. Petersburg to Vladik costs an average of 25 sp.

                        The fact of the matter is that I mean the cost of a ticket to the USSR. And not from St. Petersburg to Vladik, but local lines. Where are they?
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        And my friend, also decommissioned, generally puts stoves - fireplaces.

                        Yeah. And somehow I was digging a ditch for 15 thousand rubles a month. Do you want to cancel all such people? Or are they for you second grade?
                      17. Reptiloid April 9 2019 08: 04 New
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        ......... for 15 thousand rubles a month. Do you want to cancel all such people? Or are they for you second grade?
                        Greetings! It’s just an advertisement of a capitalist society, the impression that this advertiser read only about the USSR about the USSR. Then, probably, the sacred, about unwritten to the market will follow.
                    2. Reptiloid April 8 2019 23: 54 New
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                      The salary of a nurse in the USSR was 60-80 rubles, and they worked at 1,5-2 rates. I have medical doctors. And from 120, the doctor’s salary began after the institute and that salary grew very slowly
                2. Fan-fan April 8 2019 17: 00 New
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                  Here is the demagogy - pilots, programmers, business owners. Why didn’t he list the doctors, teachers, farm workers, janitors at last? Or is it the scum of society in your opinion?
                3. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 17: 30 New
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                  I have listed my children. My daughter is a doctor by training. The doctor is a pharmacologist. The youngest son is a software engineer. It works for itself.
                4. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 17: 50 New
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                  My daughter is a doctor by training. The doctor is a pharmacologist.

                  And my sister is also a doctor. Only now she constantly has no money. And she received an apartment from the exchange of a patina, a four-room apartment, which he was given to him as a simple locksmith.
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                Here is the demagogy - pilots, programmers, business owners. Why didn’t he list the doctors, teachers, farm workers, janitors at last? Or is it the scum of society in your opinion?


                No, it’s not demagogy, it’s a way of thinking. “I could mean others can and if they couldn’t do well, and to hell with them,” it’s not like it wouldn’t even take into account that the service market is not rubber (this is about a bricklayer laying fireplaces), and there’s no work, and they don’t want to pay, and this approach automatically means that we will lose both free medicine and free education, etc. Everything is sold, everything is bought. It’s the same waking dream of our government along with a guarantor !!! "There is no money but you hold on, but rather don’t resist. "
                Unemployment creates competition in the wage labor market, which automatically leads to a decrease in real wages. Competition between wage workers, read unemployment, is inversely related to wages.
              3. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 21: 10 New
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                Competition between workers automatically cuts off the co-workers. Remember the Soviet plumbing. As a rule, the quality of work is appropriate. And now? And now - the masters, because the hackers went off the run.
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                Competition between workers automatically cuts off the co-workers. Remember the Soviet plumbing. As a rule, the quality of work is appropriate. And now? And now - the masters, because the hackers went off the run.

                And now there is enough hack.
              5. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 21: 17 New
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                Enough. But you fool around once, fool around two and will not recommend you more. Your place will be taken by a rugged and conscientious.
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                Enough. But you fool around once, fool around two and will not recommend you more. Your place will be taken by a rugged and conscientious.


                They don’t recommend it anyway, most people search it over the Internet. And comments are stupidly paid, both good and bad. Migrants generally take care of everything at least they know how.
              7. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 21: 28 New
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                Do not tell. A couple of craftsmen made repairs to me in the apartment. Recommended. Worked quickly and efficiently. Accordingly, I advertised them to friends and acquaintances. The two have already made repairs, the third in line. Familiar, of course, will pass them on.
              8. Lannan Shi April 8 2019 21: 53 New
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                The problem is that you eat bread baked by a non-handy bricklayer, walk on the sidewalk laid by a non-super doctor, and are shod in shoes sewn by an unintelligent IT specialist. All the professions you listed are just a sauce, and the main dish, without which you stupidly die of starvation, is prepared by the most ordinary, average hard worker. And then he is just feeding you, putting on shoes, dressing up and apologizing for you, taking away the waste from your life, dying out as a phenomenon. That stupidly dying. Having 1 child per family, at best. And for your age it may be enough, but who will feed your daughter with bread and meat is already an interesting question. And take my word for it, without a fireplace it will live, it will live perfectly, as well as without a hand-made master laying it out, but there is no food.
              9. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 22: 04 New
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                So it’s bad that they bake bread, make roads, treat and teach people the middle peasants, artisans, and not masters of their craft. And so it goes?
              10. Lannan Shi April 8 2019 22: 18 New
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                Are you on the road? Or more with the help of magic, teleport? Well, so I worked on the capital of those same roads. And the hard workers whom I hired for the season received 1000 re per working day from 8 to 8. They don’t need to be craftsmen, they just need to clearly fulfill the tasks I set. Everything is extremely simple, but physically difficult. Nothing for them to pay a normal salary, right? But without them you and the car will transfer to the cart.
                Do you use shampoo soap? For 82 re per hour, people work in a neighboring city. Are you ready to go dirty, or start using ash? According to your logic, they should either die out, or become sleeveless and leave.
                Kind. 1 / 2-2 / 3 works do not require any skill. Only hard work and punctuality. And in general, the economy rests precisely on these hard workers. And not on virtuoso stove-makers and creative nurses. Without these characters, with some luck, you can go from kindergarten to the grave. But they, from your point of view, are worthy of living well. But those without whom you will be shelled at best in a couple of weeks, and possibly in 3-4 days, are not worthy of a normal life, from your words. Well, yes, in principle, the fact that a person is an ungrateful creature has not been news to me for a long time.
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                You are mistaken, skill requires any work. Even, sorry, it is advisable to pump out shit without spilling a drop on the ground. A nurse who does not enter the vein the first time is also not good. Well, a mediocre teacher will produce the same mediocrity.
              12. Lannan Shi April 8 2019 23: 27 New
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                Sorry dear. But I understand roughly why the Union fell apart. About because of people like you. For whom, a clear and confident fulfillment of their duties is a sign of either skill or heroism.
                Advice, with all my heart. Hold on to your teeth and claws. God forbid it will happen to work with pens. From janitors trample, on the third day a maximum. If it’s not for you to spit shit, a sign of skill, then I wouldn’t risk entrusting you with a crowbar. Or love, or break.
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                So Andrew does not say that they are not needed. He says that the work of the master is paid higher than not the master. This is logical and normal. And hard workers are certainly the basis of the economy. And you know, in moral terms, their life is even easier than that of those who are trying to break through to the next level, they are nervous and sometimes cannot fall asleep from thoughts about work, because an ordinary worker left work and forgot about it. And hard workers, I repeat, are important and necessary. Simply - to each his own.
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                So Andrew does not say that they are not needed. He says that the work of the master is paid higher than not the master. This is logical and normal.

                He says that the gentleman who decorates the stove, and the second, who either digitizes the melodies for the cell phone, or draws a game for her, are worthy people. But those who bake bread for him, grow potatoes and sew clothes, these are losers and losers, decent life unworthy. If this is logical and normal, then starve to death when those same bakers and peasants die out, simply because they do not want to multiply at 40-45.000 of the family budget, it is also logical and normal. only in the coffin did I see such a peculiar logic.
                Kind. That's when the baker who feeds you gets 50, and the creative lining of the stoves, which is frankly crap, or the dummy painter for your mobile phone, get 2 times less, that's normal. But the current situation is not normal, it is a complete perversion leading to the degeneration of society and its death. Look at Europe. Get the migrants out of there, and it will collapse in a week or two. Do not clean, and after 50 years it will finally turn into either Africa or Asia Minor. Do you want this for Russia?
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                You exaggerate .. I didn’t write that the porno toy draftsman should get more than a baker .. I wrote that when a master gets more than not a master, then this is normal. Master baker, master metallurgist, etc. where does the profession at all? Maybe you think it’s normal when an engineer receives less than a worker at the plant (subject to the same length of service and experience of course)? Abnormal - because the engineer has a high level of knowledge. I do not take workers of the maximum rank, these Masters should receive more than the average engineer, but less than the Master engineer. I wrote only about this.
                And by the way, putting fireplaces is a type of work with hands, for which you advocate. And for Russia, I wish only the good, there is no need for sophistry. But in general, I absolutely agree with you - the basis of the economy and development is workers.
                If we talk about peasants, in our region (Stavropol Territory), those of the peasants who plow (there are many acquaintances) have households - do not beggar and do not aspire to the city, but their children, unfortunately, go to the city to work for 20tr and live in an apartment bought by his peasant parents. It is sad.
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                Quote: 2 level advisor
                You exaggerate .. I didn’t write that the porno toy draftsman should get more than a baker .. I wrote that when a master gets more than not a master, then this is normal. Master baker, master metallurgist, etc. where does the profession at all?

                And we do not have stratification according to the principle of master - not master. In general, I have little idea what a baker should do. apparently load the bread into the oven for dancing with a spear and a tambourine? Stratification is exclusively by profession. Moreover, the more important the professional is for the life of the state, the poorer its carrier. Exceptions are sporadic. Workers in the food industry and agriculture, without whom you will begin to die out tomorrow already, is 25 thousand normal. The creators of all crap, die out right now, and no one will notice their disappearance, many times more. Where is the logic?
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              Kind. That's when the baker who feeds you gets 50, and the creative lining of the stoves, which is frankly crap, or the dummy painter for your mobile phone, get 2 times less, that's normal.


              I saw these. Yes, they are constantly turning to me with a request "to help change my life-profession."
              About 50/50 of students are a good judge - instead of “janitors” they turn into “engineer’s grub”.
              From adults - everything is much worse.
              Such a “non-replaceable baker” comes to me ... and it turns out that it’s a conditional mediocrity, that it’s not capable of anything but “being a bio-robot”.
              All this shusher, which makes "bio-robot-work", still needs to be changed to cars. And there will be no problem.
              Mental labor is the most important. And he a priori must be paid more than many times.
              PS The sewer got stuck in me the other day, Java-developer, and so what?
              I went to the household, bought a corresponding cable, took it and cleaned it myself.
              My pipe burst after the counter - similarly, google, shop, equipment, DIY repair.
              The burner comfort burned out ... guessed it already? I found a manual on the network, read, shop, self-repair.
              A professional will wall it with a puncher, and he will make wiring-wiring .... even though he "is awful, he wipes his pants in a cozy office."
              But you propose to turn over the normal social pyramid and make mediocrity the most wealthy.
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              Quote: S-Kerrigan
              But you propose to turn over the normal social pyramid and make mediocrity the most wealthy.

              The indicator of mediocrity / genius is by no means the main one in the distribution of material wealth. Mavrodi is not a fool either. What `s next? The main thing is the degree of utility for society as a whole and the economy in particular. you from this point of view, the phenomenon is not that useless. but absolutely harmful. You do not produce anything at all. Neither goods, nor demanded services, nor protect society, science is not moving. You only consume and nothing more. You can exist exclusively in the perverse economy of the past 50-70 sample. The economy of virtual money, the living sale of virtual goods. By the way, this economy is safely dying.
              Well and further. on the other side of your sewer pipe are dozens of those same mediocrity. The problem is one. They lived without you all their lives, and will continue to live. without them you’ll drown in your waste.
              And the second one. Nice person. you make that tile yourself to begin with. From personally extracted materials. Then bend your fingers. But in fact it’s you mediocrity. Without a manual, unable to figure out a three-wire circuit.
              And about the robots. First you create artificial intelligence, then we'll talk for your mental work. In the meantime ... In fact, you are a cross between an engineer, not a designer, but a draftsman, redrawing other people's gears and a junior bookkeeper. Even when working in the real sector, in terms of value for the economy, it is a little more valuable than a simple copyist, but much less important than a qualified welder, let's say.
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        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Sorry dear. But I understand roughly why the Union fell apart. About because of people like you. For whom, a clear and confident fulfillment of their duties is a sign of either skill or heroism.
        Advice, with all my heart. Hold on to your teeth and claws. God forbid it will happen to work with pens. From janitors trample, on the third day a maximum. If it’s not for you to spit shit, a sign of skill, then I wouldn’t risk entrusting you with a crowbar. Or love, or break.

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        If we summarize the comments of AS Ivanov, then these are just splashes of the philistine psychology, flavored with demagogic myths about a certain “super-efficient economy”.
    2. free April 9 2019 09: 27 New
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      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      You are mistaken, skill requires any work. Even, sorry, it is advisable to pump out shit without spilling a drop on the ground. A nurse who does not enter the vein the first time is also not good. Well, a mediocre teacher will produce the same mediocrity.


      You have heard about such a phenomenon as the division of labor, do you know what it leads to? It seems that not.
      Especially for you.
      The division of labor leads to a simplification of labor. Since the division of labor takes place with the simultaneous increasingly deepening mechanization of labor, it reduces the need for people, read the ever-increasing unemployment, which in turn will serve as a lever of pressure from the capitalist on the wage worker. This will allow the capitalist to increase the duration working day at the same nominal (monetary) payment. But real wages may fall, the relative one will definitely fall. Since wage labor is a commodity, it also has its price. And the price of any commodity and labor is also determined its costs. Labor costs are the minimum costs that allow you to have a roof over your head, food, clothing, reproduction of offspring, training. Once again, the division of labor leads to a simplification of labor. Once labor is easier to learn less, then the costs have decreased.
      In other words, special skill is no longer required; money can be paid at a minimum.
      In this cash desk and minimum wage in it the same permission to increase the working day to 12 hours.
  2. free April 9 2019 09: 16 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    So it’s bad that they bake bread, make roads, treat and teach people the middle peasants, artisans, and not masters of their craft. And so it goes?


    You will excuse me, of course, but how old are you? Do you really need to explain such commonplace truths understandable to every sober person? Or are you at work, here at VO?
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    So it’s bad that they bake bread, make roads, treat and teach people the middle peasants, artisans, and not masters of their craft. And so it goes?

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    In the Government and the State Duma, state corporations, they generally work without much intelligence and education and nothing. And so it goes, in your words. You have no complaints against them, although they have large salaries and side incomes.
  4. AU Ivanov. April 9 2019 13: 54 New
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    That's why we live like that. Gray mediocrity in power. And the matter is not even theft - the matter is incompetence. Moreover, on all floors, from hard workers to the government.
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    You might think that before, when everything was popular, etc., everyone was a MASTER. Yeah. The principles reigned everywhere: "Not mine - it’s not a pity," "We can’t live here," "It will do." I can recall a bunch of sayings from the Soviet era. Now at least someone is who is rooting for their work.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Do not tell. A couple of craftsmen made repairs to me in the apartment. Recommended. Worked quickly and efficiently. Accordingly, I advertised them to friends and acquaintances. The two have already made repairs, the third in line. Familiar, of course, will pass them on.


    Do you want to say that word of mouth equals the Internet in terms of capabilities?
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    I’ll soon believe my friend’s recommendations, rather than laudatory reviews from the Internet.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    I’ll soon believe my friend’s recommendations, rather than laudatory reviews from the Internet.


    So it’s you, and besides you there are still a lot of people.
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    when milk suddenly came into fashion in China, in St. Petersburg in hypermarkets it was possible not to go to the dairy departments — only surrogates. if everyone buys a personal vehicle - it will be possible to store potatoes in it, there will not even be a place to move. social Darwinism will work no doubt - only your programmer and doctor are not a fact that they can protect property and / or life from a zealous gang.
  10. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 23: 59 New
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    And now - the masters,

    Gee-gee. Now, I can’t even say who they are, immediately banned.
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    Not all are as twisted and twisted as you, many work as simple engineers and workers in factories, since someone needs to work there.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Well, I’m not theoretically, I almost bought an apartment in St. Petersburg, and I took the second in a mortgage, just in case ...

    Millionaire however
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    ... I come from the Novgorod region, rural.

    Hm! Are the javiers and the villages perfectly arranged? ...
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Daughter won an apartment in Khimki near Moscow. Itself made its way.

    Yeah! Overwork. Sleepers for Russian Railways dragged on his hump. Or subway manually paved with a shovel
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    She can find, theoretically, another job

    Theoretically, your parents could go to a construction site and there, up to 10 years, solve the housing problem.
    Moreover, in the USSR it was not getting an apartment, but improving housing conditions (mine went 2 times and all communal apartments, until in 1981 they got an apartment, for 4 rubles). It seems yours refused, for the official it meant a couple for seven suited.
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    Under the USSR, they paid about 20 years for a cooperative and there was a 100 %%% guarantee of receipt, and not how deceived interest holders are now
  15. Reptiloid April 9 2019 13: 11 New
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    ........ Figures. In our city, sellers from Pyaterochka receive about 20 thousand, and with such income they are sent to the bank far and deep.
    We have more, but if a child of two is divorced, they won’t give a mortgage. But it was different under the USSR.
  16. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 16: 03 New
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    And not in ownership, but only in perpetual use.

    Who cares?
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    A big difference. I, for example, will leave my two apartments as children’s inheritance, although they have their own living space. Previously, they would have gone to the state. And no one would let me have two apartments in different cities.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    I, for example, will leave my two apartments as children’s inheritance, although they have their own living space. Previously, they would have gone to the state. And no one would let me have two apartments in different cities.

    Everything is clear with you, your opa is closer to the body.
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    “I’ll leave my two apartments as an inheritance for children” is an excellent epitaph of kmk, hardly something better describes a person’s life
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    A big difference. I, for example, will leave my two apartments as children’s inheritance, although they have their own living space. Previously, they would have gone to the state. And no one would let me have two apartments in different cities.


    Did you kind of complain about the consumer society? Not?
    And who will you be !?

    Previously, the state would not take your apartment from you under any circumstances, which means that it does not matter whether it is owned or leased.
    Now, it doesn’t matter either (I congratulate you on this fact), because if you want to pick it up, it will pick it up. And you don’t give a damn about your documents, which are your papers on the "right" of ownership.
  21. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 21: 14 New
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    Only my grandfather had to divorce his grandmother, in old age, in order to register with her mother, because if she died, the room would go to the state. Apartments were not inherited.
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    Only my grandfather had to divorce his grandmother, in old age, in order to register with her mother, because if she died, the room would go to the state. Apartments were not inherited.

    But probably there were no problems if any of your relatives extended their rent there as a line to the apartment.
  23. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 19: 45 New
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    A big difference. I am my two apartments

    A dream ... You ask who owns the land under your apartments.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    I, for example, will leave my two apartments as children’s inheritance, although they have their own living space. Previously, they would have gone to the state.

    By the way, you can show where these apartments are. And then suddenly it turns out that on the land of the city hall.
  25. free April 8 2019 18: 31 New
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    The fact that the saleswoman of the five, still can buy an apartment, taking a mortgage. And then pass it by inheritance. But the saleswoman from the Soviet deli could not buy an apartment, under any sauce - she could only get it by standing in line and it wasn’t a fact that she would be allocated an apartment. In cities, people, sometimes, have stood in this line for years. It is unknown what is better: buy an apartment here and now, albeit through incredible hardships, or wait in line until your uncle bothers to give you this apartment. And not in ownership, but only in perpetual use.


    Of course it can easily!
    You just need to eat no clothes and sleep. Oh, and you also have to deceive the bank, ascribe a couple of zeros to yourself in the salary column. Well, somehow save up the down payment, but in other matters that it's me, you can! You can! Or you can not !?
  26. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 18: 53 New
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    Can. But not easy. After all, people take an apartment in a mortgage and spin and spin. And the brain is strained to spin and twist and muscle. And combine and climb. And get the result. Here, sitting on your own couch, you definitely can’t get anything, beside hemorrhoids. As my father talked, raising us: between the ass and the sofa, the ruble will not crawl through.
  27. free April 8 2019 18: 56 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Can. But not easy. After all, people take an apartment in a mortgage and spin and spin. And the brain is strained to spin and twist and muscle. And combine and climb. And get the result. Here, sitting on your own couch, you definitely can’t get anything, beside hemorrhoids. As my father talked, raising us: between the ass and the sofa, the ruble will not crawl through.


    Nonsense.
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    Yah. I have a lot of youth at work (factory). Everyone is spinning. Who pays the mortgage, who paid. Everyone had cars when they came to work. Yes, everyone lives at the same time. But there are children. In Thailand and Vietnam manage to go.
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    Yah. I have a lot of youth at work (factory). Everyone is spinning. Who pays the mortgage, who paid. Everyone had cars when they came to work. Yes, everyone lives at the same time. But there are children. In Thailand and Vietnam manage to go.


    I perfectly see how people spin, and I do not think it is right. You can live differently, better and longer.
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    In the same way, it was possible earlier, you just had to think about it and do what you didn’t always want - one of the relatives went to the construction site at one time, got to the builders, got a hut about a year later, which prevented your relatives from doing the same ?
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    Have you heard about cooperative apartments under the old regime?
    Girl -2400/2600
    Treshka 3200/3400 - all in Soviet rubles
    Aunt Lucy from the store could very well afford to buy an apartment. That's just not necessary about a small salary la-la.
  32. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 21: 59 New
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    I heard. 3000 down payment. 20 salaries of a young engineer. Now the first installment on a mortgage in the same proportion to the salary. One difference: in the case of a mortgage, you do not have to wait in line.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    I heard. 3000 down payment. 20 salaries of a young engineer. Now the first installment on a mortgage in the same proportion to the salary. One difference: in the case of a mortgage, you do not have to wait in line.

    How much will you overpay for a mortgage? And before there was a loan and not a loan, you could always defer a fee for a month or two without any problems, arrange a loan at your own enterprise or at a collective farm / state farm, no interest on non-payment. Do you feel the difference?
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    Are you ashamed?

    And what do you want to shame? A great chance to improve living conditions in the USSR? Maybe he was somewhere, but my mother was the first in line to improve 12 years, with 7 family members in a two-room apartment. I don’t pay for medical care even today, although only 10 days after returning from the hospital after the operation, there are no guards at home, the eldest studied at the university for free (according to the target set) and as a graduate of the secondary school with honors. In the USSR, 800 were not paid for a pill course, because they died for free. Of course, we didn’t have AUE, but the “thieves” also collected their “admirers” from us. And then life was not so calm if you did not live in a "professorial" house with a "golden" spoon in your teeth. But in general, Michael, you are carrying garbage, I'm sorry.
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    Quote: Den717
    And then life was not so calm if you did not live in a "professorial" house with a "golden" spoon in your teeth. But in general, Michael, you are carrying garbage, I'm sorry.

    You too, excuse me, are carrying the same thing. For example, I used to come home at 9 for half past three in the night, and I got out fishing a bit later, without any problems.
    Quote: Den717
    my mother stood for improvement 12 years first in line, with 7 family members in a two-room apartment.

    Where did mom work?
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    No need to appeal to conscience. Especially the Soviet government did not help. We ourselves lived the hell knows how. I know. No need to tell tales here. The complete family lived normally. Incomplete bad, large families are also not so hot.
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    Well yes. Previously, you could protect a child (and if you could not, then all YOUR state would stand up for him), feed and help him in his life. How real is it now even for “held in life" people? The state is no longer “yours”, and it seeks not to protect, but at least to deceive everyone and everything, and even kill if substituted.
    To feed? Yes, but you can’t be sure of anything! Today there is food, but all this absolutely does not depend on you, not on your friends, but on terribly powerful, and completely outside anyone’s powers. On what subject to throw children into this hell, if you yourself are an unwanted guest here, even if at this moment you have some kind of income?

    By the way, our “overseas partners” have been playing democracy for centuries. So they achieved high growth in their country - they helped people to deceive themselves and to convince that something depends on them. Cheating has been blown away just now. Centuries of deceit have passed ...


    Absolutely. hi
  • Gardamir April 8 2019 11: 47 New
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    What do you think
    took place
    . And how did they take place. if there are no children?
    1. Fan-fan April 8 2019 17: 04 New
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      They took place in their way: money accumulated dofiga, apartments, too.
  • Sergey49 April 8 2019 15: 54 New
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    Just contraception did not happen before. :)
  • Lannan Shi April 8 2019 12: 56 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    They will not give birth, even with a scree of gold.

    Rosstat website. We look at the fall in fertility since 2015. But the economy has nothing to do with it, it's just that the stars came together
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      We look at the decline in fertility from the 50s to the 80s. The standard of living was growing, and the birth rate was falling, even in the republics of Central Asia.
      1. Lannan Shi April 8 2019 14: 30 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        We look at the decline in fertility from the 50s to the 80s. The standard of living grew, and the birth rate fell

        We open the website of Rosstat
        1950-26,9
        1960-23,2
        1970-13,4
        1980-15,8
        1988-17
        True, the last number is not selected by Rosstat, but you can also find it. The fall of 50-70, a consequence of urbanization. This fall, even for Muslims, works, even in the impoverished but prolific Central Africa. But from the beginning of the 70s, when the process of urbanization slowed down, a slow but steady growth, and by 1988 the USSR reached 2.28 children per woman. Which is higher than 2.13 necessary for reproduction. In modern Russia, the dependence of the birth rate on the standard of living is direct. No one will have a baby if for 900 re, for a 12-hour shift, people travel 100-500 km from the house, and even one child means survival for 25 thousand three.
        1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 17: 09 New
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          The USSR came out. The key word is the USSR. The structure of the Soviet Union included the republics of Central Asia and the Caucasus, which provided growth for the Union.
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            In our army (a separate battalion), there were 48 to 52 percent of Russians and non-Russians. Which way I don’t remember. The opportunity to count was.
            Yes, and in those days, officers directly said that the Americans were glad that the entire population growth of the USSR came from Central Asia. According to American estimates, 30 armies were non-Slavs. Such is the concern of owls. authorities. The negative growth of the Russian population was even then not hidden. If this was admitted then, it is not clear why the memories of how beautiful was beginning now begin. The problem of urbanization and low fertility of developed nations is a fact.
  • sunzhenets April 8 2019 13: 09 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    They will not give birth, even with a scree of gold. Europe is an example.

    The reason is the ideology of consumption. Children interfere with consumption.
    1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 13: 13 New
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      That's right: now the young are considering children as an obstacle to their ambitions. Consume interfere, a career to do too. In general, it is better to buy a new car and have a cat.
      1. YarSer88 April 8 2019 14: 27 New
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        Not certainly in that way. It really does take a lot of money to raise children now, and the problem is not that they do not remain for themselves, but that there is not enough money even for children. Here it is necessary to determine that there is an acceptable standard of living. On the one hand, we have secondary education for free, you can always replace a sports section with a walk in the yard (they run there themselves, swim in the nearest stinky river), didn’t enter the budget - his problems, let him go by taxi in it, now with hands wishing to tear. In my understanding, I have to provide the child 1) health - at least write down for swimming and martial arts, as well as in that section where he would be more interested in practicing, football, for example. This is already 10 thousand per month per person, 2) education - a school, a couple of circles: a foreign language is necessary and what the soul is for, so that at least some level of knowledge is non-zero, higher education is most likely paid, since I don’t I build illusions about budget revenues, I can - excellently, 3) leisure - any hobby requires financial investments, tell the child that you will not ride a bike, because your parents do not have money - to sign their own helplessness. I’m silent that the child wants to eat and dress, as well as about studying abroad (there is no normal education in Russia, you can talk about the USSR as much as you like, but now higher education in Russia is not quoted).
        The fact that you were able to raise three children is honor and praise, but what does “life have taken place” mean? I can provide a decent standard of living for only two children, I have no money for more. Also say it interferes with consuming?
        1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 14: 38 New
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          My life took place because I brought up good, caring and friendly children. But, unfortunately, they are already with the mentality of a consumer society. Yes, they are tenacious, tenacious, scramble up, businesses spin, help each other, no longer need anything. We could continue the clan. There is where, there is something. But they don’t want to.
          1. YarSer88 April 8 2019 14: 51 New
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            Hats off, honestly. But, unfortunately, before my eyes there are many other examples when my parents did not have enough money for children, and the lives of these children were unenviable. And if in childhood they were a little support, everything could have turned out differently. That’s why you think ten times, but is it necessary so that later you don’t have to bite your elbows, because you didn’t have enough children when they needed it most.
          2. Fan-fan April 8 2019 17: 10 New
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            I raised good, caring and friendly kids.

            Who do they care about, children or their business? For whom are they good, for themselves or for others? Good parents are clearly not about them. With whom are friends, only with the "right" people? And what will they leave after themselves?
            1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 17: 21 New
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              They take care of their parents and loved ones. There my grandmother, my mother, was sent to Karlovy Vary for treatment. Friendly and friendly with relatives, which is now very rare. Support, if that. Well, business also cannot be left to chance - they will trample. Connection? Communication is as much your capital as education and qualifications. And baited.
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            they took this mentality from the folder, just a couple of comments, and nowhere to put the sample.
        2. mmaxx April 10 2019 06: 28 New
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          So here we go. Football in the USSR was free - no questions asked. Getting into the pool is very difficult. I did not go swimming as a sport - almost unrealistic.
          Learning a foreign language ..... Everything is ridiculous here. In the USSR, this was not at all. Fortunately, no one needed it.
          All hobby shells are now so full that it’s even difficult to compare. It's just that the time is different. Finding a tennis racket or skiing in the USSR was, to put it mildly, very difficult - I know by myself. Sports great could only be bought from trainers))))). Yes, Christmas trees are green, a tracksuit to buy was a problem. Remember that in the USSR there were sneakers !!!
          Mugs were free - yes. But now they are. Only no one is looking. It’s easier to write down ballroom dancing for scary money. And complain about the high cost. About clothes - it’s better not to remember.
          All of our problems today are from an abundance of opportunities. Snickering. Putin, the bastard, the people brought the people to grips: there’s nowhere to put cars, the people are fighting among themselves.
          Take away now all the modern nishtyaki and enough money for Soviet needs for everything, and still remain.
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            Quote: mmaxx
            All of our problems today are from an abundance of opportunities.

            I do not argue here when opportunities are few, then it is easier with desires. However, now such a time, we do not choose it, we can only comply with the trends of the time, or not correspond. Therefore, the USSR, no matter how much we would like the opposite, must be remembered, and proceeding from the needs and criteria of modern society, where everything is paid, and in order to be at least no worse than the others, one must have money to pay for everything.
  • DenZ April 8 2019 13: 49 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Values ​​have shifted to consumption.

    I do not agree completely. Christian values ​​have shifted not so much towards consumption as into the area of ​​any lack of values. Spiritual values ​​are replaced by fetish and fashion. For the soul, this is a complete zero. Generally a good article and correct. I myself work in the field of health care and how it rotted I see from the inside.
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      Quote: DenZ
      I myself work in the field of health care and how it rotted I see from the inside.

      I agree. I do not work in this area, but I can say as a user of medical services - you will think of doctors ten times before you go, no help, and they can even hurt.
  • sniperino April 8 2019 14: 02 New
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    if the family is normal, then soon the second child appears
    Then we must admit that it was “normal” before the 1st World War, during Stalin it went uphill again, and starting with the Khrushchev thaw, something went wrong, only under Putin it was a little more peace.
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      Under Putin, strangers without war began to populate Russia.
  • Nitochkin April 8 2019 06: 23 New
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    Alas, no distinct incentives for increasing the birth rate are visible in Mrs. Golikova’s speech.

    Interestingly, Madame Golikova is aware of child support after a year and a half ?! What can be done for that allowance ?!

    Raising benefits will not solve the problem. Raise and for the sake of this money all drunk will begin to multiply. The problem of fertility is not solved by money alone. If you look broader, then fertility is not an end in itself. Children should be born in full-fledged families, be desired by their parents, and not born for the sake of money in the form of benefits and capital. You need to change ideology, education, etc. When there will be a cult of the family, then the birth rate will be.
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      Quote: Nitochkin
      You need to change ideology, education, etc. When there will be a cult of the family, then the birth rate will be.

      But steps to change the ideology of consumerism are not visible even on the horizon. request
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Nitochkin
        You need to change ideology, education, etc. When there will be a cult of the family, then the birth rate will be.

        But steps to change the ideology of consumerism are not visible even on the horizon. request


        Because the main consumers are at the top.
    2. sniperino April 8 2019 07: 55 New
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      Quote: Nitochkin
      Children should be born in full-fledged families, be desired by their parents, and not born for money in the form of benefits and capital
      You can generally say that a child-means after reaching any goal, whether it be money, training or working in the tax, can easily turn into a child-obstacle, which, in extreme cases, you can put a bag on his head and leave it in the forest. Is the desire to have children natural? The desire for a process leading to pregnancy is natural, but the result, as can be seen from the demographics, is not often desired, and if desired, this does not exclude the question “for what?”. The answer requires a sociological analysis of the motivation for childbearing in countries with the highest, or at least ensuring reproduction, birth rates.
  • goose April 8 2019 10: 02 New
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    Quote: Starover_Z
    Interestingly, Madame Golikova is aware of child support after a year and a half ?! What can be done for that allowance ?!

    No benefits needed, give a progressive tax exemption for every next child. This will encourage the middle class to give birth, and officials will not be needed to administer benefits.
    1. Gardamir April 8 2019 11: 50 New
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      give a progressive tax exemption for each next child.
      Or maybe just create a normal economy? Not consumer, but production. When everything is produced in Russia and taxes are paid. When within walking distance of clinics and hospitals, when kindergartens and schools are nearby ...
      1. Fan-fan April 8 2019 17: 15 New
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        Let's create, the people do not mind. But here the top of the Kremlin is clearly against it.
  • URAL72 April 8 2019 11: 00 New
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    Here you need to act in an integrated manner. To constantly explain that the pension is now far away, and it will never be big, because one and even two children in old age will not feed you. First of all, to increase children's allowance where there is a population decline, otherwise Moscow is not rubber but the Caucasus is already ahead of the rest of the planet, but to the east of the Urals, it’s a complete disaster. The allowance should increase with each subsequent child. Well, of course the media. Remove the slut from the screens along with their house 2, and watch movies about families with many children. Well, and other associated actions - alimony, mortgage, etc. Nowadays, 20℅ of the population does not live in the countryside, not only interest-free mortgages are needed, but also state subsidies for the purchase and construction of housing, loans for farmers, cheap transport grew production. The compatriots resettlement program was also forgotten in vain, the Slavs will soon be in short supply in Russia ...
  • YarSer88 April 8 2019 13: 29 New
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    Quote: Starover_Z
    What can be done for that allowance ?!

    Well, for example, take a bus twice, or buy 3 loaves of bread wassat
  • Catfish April 8 2019 20: 42 New
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    Yes, she knows everything, she just doesn’t give a damn about everything. Yes, others are not kept there, but a decent person will not climb into this garbage dump voluntarily.
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    Someone has been pushing her to the government for so many years
  • Bacha April 8 2019 06: 42 New
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    And now the question is, how many children did Golikova give birth to? I myself will answer, not one! And these people talk about demographic issues ...
    1. rocket757 April 8 2019 07: 44 New
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      To the government and the talkers from the stands there are a lot of questions that you want to send / ask them in kind ..... and shoes, this is the most relaxed option!
      Just always want to remind ...... And let's start with MYSELF !!! -
      This is OUR ...... oversight, sho we all are NOT OUR, as many see it, at the very top!
      And then many, many, many, points, what THEY, WE did, did not, one way or another!
      There are no equal rights in this matter !!! And no one will come this ugly knot will not unravel! You must do it yourself, yourself, yourself!
      1. victor50 April 8 2019 08: 49 New
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        Slogans were thrown to the masses: "Get rich! Enjoy! Take everything from life!" etc. In short: everything for yourself beloved! Where are the incentives for having children ?! Where, in general, is here about duties and responsibilities ?!
        1. Monster_Fat April 8 2019 08: 58 New
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          Come on, think, the “problem” is that the Chinese-Vietnamese will be brought in, they will open the borders for Uzbek-Tajik Gaster even more widely, they will add blacks with Arabs and the problem of demography in Russia will be solved. yes
    2. Starover_Z April 8 2019 09: 53 New
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      Quote: Bacha
      And now the question is, how many children did Golikova give birth to? I myself will answer, not one! And these people talk about demographic issues ...

      Oops, really, HERE CHILDREN AND NO !!!
      And she, having such personal money, did not begin to correct the demographic problem!
      So it begs - "And these people forbid others to pick their nose!"
      1. Andrey VOV April 8 2019 10: 27 New
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        The fact that she herself does not have children is still not an indicator, we don’t know for what reason they are not..all alas, much deeper ...
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          So, it was time to take foster care. She can afford income.
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        IT HAS NO CHILDREN THAT !!!
        Do not choke with happiness.
    3. DenZ April 8 2019 13: 53 New
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      And now the question is, how many children did Golikova give birth to? I myself will answer, not one! And these people talk about demographic issues ...

      They say it may still be half the trouble. Let them speak better than they are silent. But! Such people will never be able to solve these problems, no matter how cynical it may sound.
    4. Fan-fan April 8 2019 17: 19 New
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      Hanging noodles on the ears of the people - this is what any government is doing, especially the one that cannot solve the problems facing the country.
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    "Where is your government? It is on another planet ... There are butterflies there .." © G. Danelia "Kin-dza-dza" ... Until these golikov receive the salary of an ordinary Russian citizen, and only from above bonuses for improving his life, nothing will change.
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      Quote: 210ox
      "Where is your government? It is on another planet ... There are butterflies .."

      All the latest masterpieces of the deputies confirm this. Well, or flew in for a while and right now, they will fly away soon again !!!!!
    2. stalki April 8 2019 07: 42 New
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      "Where is your government? It is on another planet ... There are butterflies there .." © G. Danelia "Kin-dza-dza" ... Until these golikov receive the salary of an ordinary Russian citizen, and only from above bonuses for improving his life, nothing will change.
      It will not help until planting is begun, and demagogy will be planted. am
      1. Fan-fan April 8 2019 17: 22 New
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        Maybe even just kick them out of power and recruit new ones. There is a chance, albeit a small one, that some decent and smart may be caught among the new ones.
    3. Alexander Ra April 8 2019 09: 44 New
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      You can’t pass the goal-setting to an uncle-official; paternalism in our country is marked. But we do this periodically, according to the law "we fulfill a civic duty." The official must be hired to perform specific tasks, piecework. With the exception of standard technical actions, there is no goal setting. Attitude towards collective life must be changed.
      1. Reptiloid April 8 2019 12: 48 New
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        It was also said that to improve the health of the population, it is necessary the responsibility of the population for health ....... ??
        It is necessary to better inform the population about the content of everything in the products, so that the population reads, thinks over, somehow changes the inscriptions ..... ??
        So they write schasssss, yes you need a magnifying glass in the store with you to read everything, ...... ??
        1. Alexander Ra April 8 2019 14: 33 New
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          The gap of interests before antagonism is the employer (business, establishment) -population. This is a pathology.
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            The gap of interests before antagonism is the employer (business, establishment) -population. This is a pathology.

            The antagonism because they have everything that they have stolen in the 90s or later, know perfectly well that they are using the undeserved
  • tatra April 8 2019 05: 50 New
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    All the enemies of the Communists in the USSR are the same as a carbon copy, and the results of their highly paid "work" in all the republics of the USSR they seized are the same. In the 90s, economy and demography collapsed sharply, in the zero years, due to the growth of the world economy and rising world prices for energy, metals, the economy and demography improved slightly, after the zero due to the global crisis, the economy and demography deteriorated again. And the trend is ONLY towards an even greater deterioration of the economy and demography.
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      In 90, economics and demography collapsed

      And this failure overlapped with the demographic failure of the Second World War - this is the main objective reason for the decline in the birth rate. Thank you for this to the owner of the Golikov.

      Goikova is one of the representatives of the Clintonoids in Russia, struggling to save her master by destroying Russia.
    2. aybolyt678 April 8 2019 09: 59 New
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      A person must be desired, in demand. The economic system of today does not use the need of the person laboring. Specialties, knowledge, skills are not in demand. All work in commerce and in the North. Commerce has already reached the limit of development and the North is not dimensionless. Where to give birth if there is no place to work? Social elevators disappeared.
  • Plague doctor April 8 2019 06: 09 New
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    I live in Moscow and, as my eyes tell me, demographics are growing at the expense of the poor-minded migrants who are unmeasured here, and crime is growing thanks to them. Medicine is also at a low level, despite the lies of Sobyanin, doctors have been treating me for bronchitis for more than a week, and I went with pneumorex, a blown lung
    1. Ingvar 72 April 8 2019 06: 45 New
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      Medicine is also low, despite the lies of Sobyanin,

      In the series "Sklifosovsky" everything is fine! good wassat The country is even worse. Huge amounts of money are allocated for oncology, but doctors both extorted and continue. Just not as arrogant as before, but hinted very TOLSTO. hi
      1. Plague doctor April 8 2019 06: 52 New
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        You can clearly see what kind of medicine the country is in the news, how some sore or worse appendicitis is immediately taken to Moscow, then half of the hospitals have not seen repair since Brezhnev, people are lying in corridors in military hospitals, it’s scary to assume a picture of the country
  • svp67 April 8 2019 06: 11 New
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    First of all, Tatyana Golikova ascertained the fact
    A man in his seventh year in a high position in government and responsible for social programs with "great surprise" stated that in Russia, it turns out you can work and live below the poverty line ... for me he died as a leader at the same time, and whatever she says now will not come to life.
    Little and late they began to give birth, but what have you done for the other? Not only that, they also sent their grandmothers five years to work, namely those who took on the main burden of supporting the upbringing of the younger generation. But Golikova was for this "reform" ... No, she died, she died
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      ..... A man in his seventh year in a high position in government and responsible for social programs with "great surprise" stated that in Russia, it turns out you can work and is below the poverty line ...
      Yes, this time exceeds studying at a university.
      As for grandmothers, for sure, the main thing is that pension reform will create difficulties for young people and the elderly in the labor market, and if there are guest workers, it will work, only employers will benefit
      1. Monster_Fat April 8 2019 09: 30 New
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        only employers benefit

        Well ... Well, here the dog "rummaged" in the history of the pension reform - a solid profit for the "employer" - increased competition in the labor market, so you can reduce wages to infinity, gradually bringing them to the notorious " a bowl of pottage, "as one" young, successful entrepreneur "wanted when he ran for president. Yes, that far to go, even “myself” at one time, did not hesitate to voice what they say, the “low level of remuneration” in Russia makes its market “attractive” for investment. ”So that“ they don’t say there heads "from the screen, but maintaining poverty among the people and excessive competition in the labor market is a goal-oriented policy of the ruling class in Russia. yes
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          The reference to the West sounds especially funny that, they say, they don’t want to give birth there, they say that they’ve caught up with the West, they have finally reached.
          And the fact that the reasons are different ---- do not guess. Now it’s repeatedly that statistics ----- 30 %%% of the population cannot afford a second pair of shoes for the season. So ----- a child will be born in such a family, someone will be left without shoes !!!! !!!
        2. free April 9 2019 09: 52 New
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          only employers benefit

          Well ... Well, here the dog "rummaged" in the history of the pension reform - a solid profit for the "employer" - increased competition in the labor market, so you can reduce wages to infinity, gradually bringing them to the notorious " a bowl of pottage, "as one" young, successful entrepreneur "wanted when he ran for president. Yes, that far to go, even “myself” at one time, did not hesitate to voice what they say, the “low level of remuneration” in Russia makes its market “attractive” for investment. ”So that“ they don’t say there heads "from the screen, but maintaining poverty among the people and excessive competition in the labor market is a goal-oriented policy of the ruling class in Russia. yes


          To the point. It remains only to add that this class is called the bourgeois capitalists.
      2. sniperino April 8 2019 18: 49 New
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        in the presence of guest workers ---- it turns out, only employers win
        What percentage of roads in the country would be updated without guest workers?
  • Stas157 April 8 2019 06: 25 New
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    The fact that a well-to-do European woman does not give birth, this only says that society is seriously hurt. After all, the main task of a woman before her nature is not to live idle, but to give offspring, leave a mark, its continuation. Only then her role as a woman can be considered fulfilled.

    In the West, clearly the brains are turned in the wrong direction. They have wrong guidelines, anti-human. This is a consumer society, propaganda of homosexual relations, life only for oneself, as well as attitudes towards children themselves. In the West, society declares to parents: - This is not your child, this is our child. You parents are just raising him.
    Children are easily taken there, separated from their parents, if something doesn’t seem right in upbringing.

    Therefore, to take the example of the West regarding fertility, this is not very correct. In general, the situation on Earth can be considered safe. Earth annually abundantly adds to the number of people, although this does not apply to sick Europe and poor Russia.
    1. Horon April 8 2019 09: 32 New
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      poor Russia

      Alas, Russia is already sick too and one of the factors of this disease is emancipation. The woman ceases to be the keeper of the hearth, and the man ceases to be the earner! Everything else is from the evil one.
      1. Stas157 April 8 2019 10: 03 New
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        Quote: Horon
        Alas, Russia is already sick too and one of the factors of this disease is

        Of course, we (our elite) adopt everything from the West, abandoning the familiar Soviet one. But then women gave birth. And the size of the country was added despite the worst demographic losses after the Second World War. Now they are trying to justify the population decline by different pits, and not by the poor social policy of the state, low living standards, low salaries of Russians by world standards, terribly expensive mortgages (in Germany, 1,5% for comparison, and sometimes 0% in general).
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          Our savings bank in the Czech Republic gives a mortgage at 4%.
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            He gives there a mortgage in euros. Ask here for a mortgage in euros.
            I think that there are no such fools here.
        2. Horon April 8 2019 10: 54 New
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          and not the poor social policy of the state, low living standards, low world salaries of Russians, terribly expensive mortgages (in Germany, 1,5% for comparison, and sometimes 0% in general).

          Here I do not agree, because this is the main craftiness. There are no large families with high incomes, usually who has money a lot of children do not give birth. In Europe, although a low interest on loans and medicine is better, it is still aging intensely. Therefore, money here, although desirable, but will not solve the problem. People who are preoccupied with careers, money and their own comfort have no desire and need to give birth to children and how many benefits and money do not offer, anyway this will not make them give up their own comfort.
          P.S. Families with many children usually do not have exceptionally good economic indicators. They are despised by families with a better economic situation, it is more difficult for them to get education, because education is not only payment for a university, but also payment for accommodation. For large families, this is the need to give up something, lose in their own comfort and always be in the role of beggars and despised. Here is one example of such a view:

          Quote: samarin1969

          Almost all unhappy, groomed, sickly children with numerous “deviations” are from families of 3-5 children. Any teacher will confirm this.

          Who wants to be told about him and his children? Better he will give birth to one and will be worn with him like t (e) urea with a stupa! Then he will provide him with an education and an iPhone and will put on everything new, and not castoffs from elders. And the state will not be able to give everything otherwise, then it will be necessary to take everything away and that is not enough. Therefore, I say that Russia is sick - the society itself is sick with rejection of large families and nothing can be done here with purely economic levers.
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            Quote: Horon
            Families with many children usually do not have exceptionally good economic indicators. They despise families with a better economic situation, it is more difficult for them to get an education

            Quote: Horon
            and iPhone and will wear everything new, and not cast-offs from elders

            Most of our oligarchs have 5-6 children. And the oligarch Roman Avdeev has 4 of his children and 19 adopted. And imagine, everyone can let an iPhone! Fat government officials here are also prolific. As an example, I took you the most successful layer of people. The elite! Therefore, one can confidently assert the opposite - a successful person - a person, as a rule, a large and prolific.
            1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 17: 44 New
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              Putin has two, Medvedev has one child. Chubais - two. And Avdeev is well done. 19 adopted children - this is the Act.
    2. Nikolay73 April 8 2019 13: 15 New
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      There is such a “pseudoscience” - genetics is called ... so, it’s not strange that in order for the offspring to be healthy they need a variety of genetic material, otherwise the effect of “ancient blood” builds up and ceases to compensate (accumulation of genome disorders in a closely related group with each subsequent generation) ... it's about the Earth which adds that up to the Earth - it still cares for healthy fleas or sick people ...
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        Yeah, tell the Eskimos of Greenland. Here they’ll laugh ...
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          So you tell me, since you know so much about them ..., at the same time you will laugh together ...
  • samarin1969 April 8 2019 06: 26 New
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    It would be better to send 6 trillion. for resettlement of immigrants (from among immigrants of the peoples of Russia).
    And you have to save the village. Drug addiction and alcoholism simply mow people like Indians. It is necessary to catch merchants, organizers and feed exclusively their "products". And to “asocial” fathers and mothers to register forced labor at “state manufactories”.

    ps With maternal capital, something needs to be changed. Almost all unhappy, groomed, sickly children with numerous “deviations” are from families of 3-5 children. Any teacher will confirm this.
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      Quote: samarin1969
      Almost all unhappy, groomed, sickly children with numerous “deviations” are from families of 3-5 children. Any teacher will confirm this.


      You are a provocateur!

      You insult normal people with children with your diarrhea!

      Do you have children?

      Or also from among the couch experts ?!
      1. samarin1969 April 8 2019 06: 55 New
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        I'am a teacher. So, with regard to children, I am not "divan".
        Everything else is just your opinion.
        1. Departure April 8 2019 10: 07 New
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          You are right, colleague. now 4-5 children are usually gypsies, or migrants, it’s not clear what they live for. They have no money for food and medicine, the children are wild and are not interested in learning.
      2. goose April 8 2019 10: 09 New
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        You are a provocateur!

        You insult normal people with children with your diarrhea!

        Not a provocateur, he hints that the Government is encouraging to give birth to the very bottom of society, and in which 2-3 out of 5 conditional children are useless for demography. Because benefits, free apartments for large loafers. Give tax benefits to normal economically successful families with more than 1 child, provide nurseries, kindergartens, schools and hospitals, affordable housing with infrastructure - all that the state and local government are required to do, and children will appear.
        It would seem simple. But ... the reasons for the reduction of just this sound politically incorrect. But for this, budgets should not be empty, and they should not be fed by banks, but by the real economy.
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      3. Lannan Shi April 8 2019 13: 18 New
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        Quote: Titsen
        You insult normal people with children with your diarrhea!

        The normal maintenance of the child, without iPhones and other things, just good nutrition and high-quality, but without show-offs, clothes - 15-20 thousand a month. A family with 3 children should either have in the region of 90-100 thousand of total income, or save on their health and development. At the same time, for the province of 20-25.000 thousand salaries is a very normal norm. Thus, your normal people or do not fall into the category of normal income, or in relation to the health of the child.
        And yes. I have two, and in five years I plan to third. And accordingly, I perfectly understand what I'm talking about. And yes, if there were incomes in the region of 50 thousand per family, the second would definitely not give birth, and not the fact that I would venture on the first. For having a bunch of children, and feed them chemical waste, successfully passed off as food? In the end, get a hamster, you can scoff at him, a child is not necessary for this.
        Quote: Titsen
        Or also from among the couch experts ?!

        But yes, I write while sitting on the couch, watching how the youngest cat catches.
    2. Ingvar 72 April 8 2019 06: 49 New
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      Quote: samarin1969
      It is necessary to catch merchants, organizers and feed exclusively their "products".

      Life for selling ANY dose of drugs. The number of drug dealers will decrease at times, and the price will increase at times.
      Quote: samarin1969
      painful children with numerous "deviations"

      Pah-pah, but I'm all healthy.
      1. 112-17 April 8 2019 09: 17 New
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        Can you imagine what kind of tin will be in the FSIN with such a number of pancreas?
        1. Ingvar 72 April 8 2019 17: 07 New
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          Can you imagine what kind of tin will be in the FSIN with such a number of pancreas?

          At first there will be a full house, but there are not many durakov among dealers, they will tie. For the price of reckoning exceeds the temptation to make money quickly.
      2. Vikxnumx April 8 2019 09: 35 New
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        What lifelong ??? !!!
        "Yes, count them!" (with)
        Still feed them at the expense of the poor!
      3. Vadim237 April 8 2019 09: 37 New
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        When the siloviki distributors of dope run out - they will start, to improve statistics, to do, by planting small doses, each one they meet as a drug distributor, you will not prove anything and will sit for life.
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          Quote: Vadim237
          they will start, to improve statistics, to do, by throwing small doses, of every counter

          You have already decided - you are defending the government, or criticizing it! wink Especially for you I repeat - FOR SALE of any dose of drugs, and not for availability. hi
        2. free April 8 2019 19: 08 New
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          Quote: Vadim237
          When the siloviki distributors of dope run out - they will start, to improve statistics, to do, by planting small doses, each one they meet as a drug distributor, you will not prove anything and will sit for life.


          Have you even comprehended what you wrote?
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            Yes - it will be so and the guys will find who will confirm that you are selling drugs.
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              Quote: Vadim237
              Yes - it will be so and the guys will find who will confirm that you are selling drugs.


              That is, let’s leave the drug dealers alone so that they wouldn’t put us in prison when they are all sent to prison?
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                No, just for one found dose of 10 grams, it’s better to plant for 10 years, and if production with a network of distributors is covered, then yes, life-long for all participants.
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        Here it is necessary to study the Chinese experience. Mao Zedong inherited a large inheritance in terms of total drug addiction. Somehow they solved this issue. If everyone had been shot, the Chinese would not have lived a billion.
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      Quote: samarin1969
      And you have to save the village. Drug addiction and alcoholism simply mow people like Indians. It is necessary to catch traders, organizers

      my colleague divorced her husband as a drug distributor, so her information did not interest anyone, moreover, she was openly ignored and covered by her husband.
  • Aerodrome April 8 2019 06: 38 New
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    And the trend is ONLY towards an even greater deterioration of the economy and demography.

    don’t rock the yacht ... The guarantor promised to deal with internal problems ... promised, promises and will promise, what else do you want?
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      Do not rock the yacht.

    2. AlexVas44 April 8 2019 10: 29 New
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      Where are we? On a sailing yacht or boat (gallery) with a rower? If on a boat, then try swinging, it's more expensive for yourself. Well, the yacht with our helmsmen on the first turn will lie on its side. laughing
      1. Fan-fan April 8 2019 17: 43 New
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        Or like this: the boat is pulled by the current towards the rocks, and the captain does not have the authority (as some say here) to command the rowers or there is simply no mind for the right teams and they row at random, wherever, and some generally oars are thrown and jump overboard, they save themselves by swimming , because we are sure that the boat will break. Many shout: “Trust the captain, do not rock the boat,” and the captain: “Not afraid of anything, I have a multi-port in reserve” and shows cartoons to the people.
        Well, what to do in such a situation, and here we just need a real leader, a leader who with a firm hand should clean up the boat, and not moan and whine that he can’t do anything and has no right to anything. Or we have only one thing left - to change the captain.
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi April 8 2019 06: 42 New
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    The government absolutely does not give a damn about its own people, so that the tsar-father would not speak with his ministers.
    The faster we all die, the easier it will be for the king and his oligarch friends.
    Other nations will come to our place, as migrants have now come. And thieves-oligarchs with their money can live everywhere happily, even in Europe, even in Asia.
    1. Darth Ragosinus April 8 2019 07: 27 New
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      So Master Kenobi, do not touch the king. God save the king!
    2. aybolyt678 April 8 2019 10: 34 New
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      The government absolutely does not care about their own people

      people now as a maturity test - the need will unite.
  • parusnik April 8 2019 06: 51 New
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    They give birth in our area, they prefer in the neighboring area ... or in Krasnodar ... Not for free, of course ... No, we can give birth .. because they don’t trust or need more money ...
  • Gayver April 8 2019 07: 02 New
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    The power is to blame for 100 divorces per 80 marriages, the power is to blame for 1 million people, the power is to blame for the increase in the number of women unable to give birth every year, the power is to blame for the fact that men and women in the country are completely drug addicts and girls ... the power is to blame for the increase in the number of serious crimes among youngsters, the power is to blame for the unprecedented level of suicides in the country ... etc. The power is to blame for everything, and the people are all white and fluffy!
    1. Darth Ragosinus April 8 2019 07: 25 New
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      Correctly say. The people in the head are sick. He loves to watch telly.
      1. Fan-fan April 8 2019 17: 50 New
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        If the people should do everything themselves, as you assure, then why do people need power? Why do we need to keep them? Why would the people feed such an army of officials?
        1. Darth Ragosinus April 8 2019 17: 58 New
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          Each people (nation) deserves the power (officials) they have. Our officials are us. They are our reflection.
    2. tatra April 8 2019 07: 33 New
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      No, it’s the people’s fault that after the capture of Russia by the enemies of the Communists immediately, mortality increased by 20-40% and the birth rate decreased. The people of the enemies of the Communists got the wrong one. But the Bolsheviks-Communists got the right people, already in the 20s the death rate in the USSR decreased by 20% compared with 1913, and in general during the Soviet period, mortality per year decreased by 3 times compared with 1913.
      1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 09: 55 New
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        In general, the reduction in child mortality is a merit of scientific and technological progress, but certainly not of the Communists. Reduce child mortality in the United States, too, ascribe to the Bolsheviks?
        1. Stas157 April 8 2019 10: 27 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          In general, the reduction in child mortality is a merit of scientific and technological progress, but certainly not of the Communists.

          The emergence of rapid scientific and technological progress in our country also occurred thanks to the Soviet regime.
          1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 10: 33 New
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            NTP in other countries happened thanks to whom? Who should be grateful to the Japanese? Swedes? French people? Fertility has nothing to do with social programs, just look at the same Germans and Nigerians. And in the Soviet Union, as the social sphere developed and wealth grew, the birth rate did not grow, but decreased.
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              NTP in other countries happened thanks to whom?

              NTP in the USSR was one of the highest in the world. And now? All the same, the scientific and technical progress in the USSR was higher. Yes, and not all cap. countries can boast NTP, but only the very top of the capitalist world, the one that parasitizes in more backward countries. On the contrary, the USSR helped the free countries.
              1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 10: 44 New
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                Yeah, he sent various Papuans food and goods that their own citizens needed. Gratis, that is, at the expense of their people. By the way, on whom are the Scandinavian countries parasitic?
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  on whom the Scandinavian countries parasitize?

                  Correctly say - on whom the EU is parasitic. The EU economy should be considered as a whole, and not divided into countries. Brought out of the brackets of the countries of the Western world, the Scandinavians would hardly have developed as well.
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                  Yeah, he sent various Papuans food and goods that their own citizens needed.
                  Now tell us about who sends help to the Russian Federation. For example, here in VO discussed the repair of the Capitol in Havana at the expense of Russia.
                  And do not forget the Union is reproached because it did for the people. And now the ideology of Russia "there is no money, but you hold on"
                  1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 12: 18 New
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                    But nothing has changed. We forgive debts, instead of demanding them with interest. What before, what now. Well, I don’t think that Soviet help to Angola and Mozambique in every way improved the well-being of the people.
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                      Well, I don’t think that Soviet help to Angola and Mozambique in every way improved the well-being of the people
                      Here is different. Angola and others supported us at the UN for this help. And now? The most failed foreign policy of the millennium.
                3. Foul skeptic April 8 2019 15: 39 New
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                  Yeah, he sent various Papuans food and goods that their own citizens needed. Gratis, that is, at the expense of their people.

                  Who is this nonsense in your head?
                  1. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 15: 53 New
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                    And what was wrong? A pro-communist leader in a red loincloth will appear in some kind of Papuan, we will give him weapons and equipment and food. On credit, by itself or for free. Then the neighbors will fry this leader at the stake, along with beads and slippers and that's it: money bye - bye. Remember this joke?
                    They fashioned a Brezhnev bust with two huge boobs. Lenya and asks: why? Well, they answer him, you feed the socialist countries with the left, the developing ones with the right.
                    -And what am I feeding the Union?
                    - So this is a bust!
                    1. Foul skeptic April 8 2019 15: 56 New
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                      Let's give a specific country, a specific year, we will analyze the "freebie"
                      1. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 16: 00 New
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                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Let's give a specific country, a specific year, we will analyze the "freebie"

                        Ummm ... Will the Georgian SSR go?
                      2. Foul skeptic April 8 2019 16: 19 New
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                        will go?

                        no
                        sent various Papuans food and goods that were needed by their own citizens

                        The Georgian USSR is also the USSR., One at all as if hinting at a passport.

                        PS And what is wrong with the GSSR? Also ate you? In response, send a “tablet” which of the republics “gave” how much, and which “took” how much? )))
                      3. Mordvin 3 April 8 2019 16: 25 New
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                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        will go?

                        no

                        Well there is no way. But to be honest, the foreign policy of the USSR sometimes surprised. Will Afghanistan go?
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        And with the GSSR, what is wrong? Also ate you?

                        Yes, I think so. Dismantled their product in the form of "Colchis." Ugh!
                      4. Foul skeptic April 9 2019 09: 37 New
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                        Will Afghanistan go?

                        Good choice. )) And what was the "freebie" for Afghanistan from the USSR? Goods for industry? They were paid. Road? Bridges that are part of the road? Gas pipeline? Gas infrastructure? The Union itself was primarily interested in them and built them for itself. It just so happened that by the end of the 50s the industrial development program of the Asian republics of the USSR was in danger of non-implementation. Enterprises have been built, but there is no gas for them. Geological exploration was carried out in parallel with the construction, it was known that there was gas in Turkmenistan, but it was not focused on local consumption (Central Asia - Center gas pipeline). Expected for new deposits in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. But they turned out to be "low-power", the industry lacked 3 billion cubic meters of gas. And only for this reason the USSR began to invest in Afghanistan. Not because good-natured, but because they themselves had to. And it’s completely pragmatic. To give the country a loan, to build infrastructure on debt money, and in addition to tie the country to gas supplies for itself (because Afghanistan itself has no consumers for this gas). The Mazar-i-Sharif Thermal Power Plant and Puli-Khumri Hydroelectric Power Station were built to support the operation of the gas industry and the gas pipeline to the Soviet border. Repair plant - for repairing equipment from the same gas fields. To be sure of the uninterrupted operation of the gas pipeline, through which gas was pumped to itself, without which its own industry did not work. The seeming “charity” (for credit money) in the form of everything else - in the scale of possible losses for the USSR (if they had not received gas) - is minuscule. The military equipment was conditionally free - they paid for it, but they paid with a fixed premium on the price of gas. Does it bother you not to repay the loan? Force majeure in the person of "Afghan Rogozin" and the collapse of the USSR has nothing to do with the conduct of foreign policy. And here questions begin to the Russian Federation, and not the USSR. And here in the 91st we acted so stupidly ... We declared ourselves the assignee under this agreement and tore it up, thereby putting a pig in Uzbekistan and putting an end to repaying the debt to ourselves. So, the fact that in our media in the 2000s they shouted about "forgiven debts" to Afghanistan - a good mine with a bad game - no one owes us anything with 91.
                      5. Mordvin 3 April 9 2019 09: 40 New
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                        At home, for example. Once he had a thump with a foreman alone, he had been building houses in Afghanistan for four years, in whole blocks.
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        And what "freebie" was for Afghanistan from the USSR?
                      6. Foul skeptic April 9 2019 10: 51 New
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                        Hello.
                        At home, for example. Once he had a thump with a foreman alone, he had been building houses in Afghanistan for four years, in whole blocks.

                        It is surprising that it’s not megalopolises, then for vodka))) Residential buildings - two microdistricts, 90 thousand m2. To the whole country. For all the time.
                        Understand that all social objects built under the 78 year agreement were built not because the USSR did not count money, but because it did. It was more profitable for us to build these two micro-districts, or 8 schools, or a hospital, than to lose the money invested in industry in our territory due to the lack of gas. This time. Not social objects (and part of social ones) were built because in one way or another they were tied either to servicing the gas industry and pipes, or to other articles of import into the USSR. For example, the same technical schools were built to educate the population who will work in the gas and related industries, so that we receive the gas that we need. Or a plant for processing citrus fruits and olives, which were then exported to us. Hospital? We were actively present in the country and were not going to leave. Take your apprentice with appendicitis while building A house ... - would he have been treated with manure at the local healer? Nothing is ever done for nothing. These are two. Imports from the USSR were paid, including with real money. But it was more profitable for us to pay for it with our own loans - our goods are being sold, we provide ourselves with the necessary things that we cannot get otherwise, and we also owe more than we took. All modern developed cap. is the world also stupid and littering with money, doing the same? These are three. The USSR did not refuse the money that it lent to Afghanistan; by the year 98, credit money should have been returned. In particular, for this, all these facilities were also built in Afghanistan so that the country's economy could repay debts. War and the collapse of the Union - force majeure. These are four.
                4. Fan-fan April 8 2019 17: 59 New
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                  I will answer about the Georgian SSR, since under the USSR it was related to meat processing plants. This is the only republic that refused to receive frozen meat, they only wanted fresh and they always brought livestock, since there was none of their own.
                  A "plate" is full on the Internet, where it is clear that Georgians lived richly at the expense of the Union.
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                  This is the only republic that refused to receive frozen meat, they wanted only fresh and they always brought livestock,

                  Refused - how is it? )) No, well, seriously, how did this happen? The meeting of the chairmen of the Central Committee of the party of the Union Republics in Moscow ... Sit, then sit. And then Mzhavanadze and Brezhnev stood right on the forehead: "Ilyich, I’ve gotten yours too ... I want fresh meat, now we only need livestock to be driven." Or how?
                  Maybe everything is more explainable? Live cattle are driven when there is no opportunity to store meat at the place of processing of this meat itself. If some director of a meat processing plant in Georgia, in your memory, refused to accept frozen meat, because he has part of the refrigerators for scheduled or emergency repairs, because otherwise he would simply destroy this meat and then have trouble because the plan could not be fulfilled, then this is an exception, not a rule. This is an example.
                  live cattle were always brought, as there was none

                  I agree on pork. For horses I agree. For cattle and goat sheep - sheer nonsense. In the RSFSR, in terms of per inhabitant of the RSFSR, less cows were raised than in the GSSR (the difference decreased, from 16% in 1939, to 5% before decay).
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    What kind of delusions kremlebot? Where did I write about child mortality?
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    Quote: tatra
    after the capture of Russia by the enemies of the Communists immediately, mortality increased by 20-40%
    After the capture of Russia by the Bolsheviks, the birth rate never even approached the level of 1913.
    1. Yegorchik April 8 2019 13: 12 New
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      After the capture of Russia by the Bolsheviks, the birth rate never even approached the level of 1913.
      Actually, I don’t read your comments because they contain sheer lies and distortion of facts, but I read this short one on the machine. And as always, the distortion of facts, the birth rate was higher in pre-revolutionary Russia, but most of these births died in infancy, is the meaning of such a birth rate? But the growth of the Russian population in the USSR was much higher than in pre-revolutionary Russia.
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        Quote: Egorchik
        most of these births died in infancy
        Balabolstvo stop.
        Quote: Egorchik
        the growth of the Russian population in the USSR was much higher than in pre-revolutionary Russia
        Proof to the studio!
        1. Yegorchik April 8 2019 18: 55 New
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          Quote: sniperino
          Quote: Egorchik
          the growth of the Russian population in the USSR was much higher than in pre-revolutionary Russia
          Proof to the studio!
          We take the well-known data of Russia before the First World War from 1843 to 1896 for 53 years; the Russian population grew by 20 million or 54%; we take the same piece of time under the Communists from 1926 to 1979 the Russian population grew by 60 million or 63%. As we see, the growth of the Russian population under the USSR was unprecedentedly high.
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            Quote: Egorchik
            1926 to 1979, the Russian population grew by 60 million or 63%. As we see, the growth of the Russian population under the USSR was unprecedentedly high.
            The amendment did not count there as much as 63%
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              am not 63 already 76.6%
              Can I specify a source?
              1. Yegorchik April 8 2019 21: 20 New
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                You are not able to find the census data in the USSR and RI, and then count the numbers written there in a column? To you to send a leaflet by mail as I considered percent?
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        But the growth of the Russian population in the USSR was much higher than in pre-revolutionary Russia

        The namesake is your opponent is not my idol, but here he is right. request Partially. for the birth rate in the USSR was approaching, but did not exceed the birth rate in the Republic of Ingushetia.
        1. Yegorchik April 8 2019 19: 00 New
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          Your schedule is too short to understand what happened before the revolution, but it’s not scary there are numbers of Russians, so over the 60 years from 1926 to 1989, the number of Russians has grown by 70 million people almost 2 times, that's something like the same numbers from before the revolutionary time is not observed. There is growth there too, but not at such a pace.
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            Your schedule is too short to understand what happened there before the revolution
            Well, why, the year 1913 sounded, since it was like the peak of the birth rate in the Republic of Ingushetia. So, under the Union, more than one year was born more than in 1913. Fact. The dispute began with fertility? wink
            As for the Russian population, I doubt that it has grown by 2 times. Firstly, simply because there was no Belarusian and Ukrainian nationalities under the Republic of Ingushetia, everyone was considered Russian. Secondly, I am aware of the number of children in Russian families before the revolution, and after. The same is easily verified. No matter how they lived, they just gave birth more. hi
    2. tatra April 8 2019 14: 08 New
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      You quote my words about mortality in response to fertility. The high birth rate in the Russian Empire was due to factors that none of the enemies of the Communists would want for themselves.
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        Quote: tatra
        The high birth rate in the Russian Empire was due to factors that none of the enemies of the Communists would want
        A sharp drop in fertility during the peaceful years (for the time of war and famine is a natural fall) was influenced by the sexual revolution
        The friends of the Communists (K. Radek, I. Armand and others) wanted to sexually liberate our lapotniks, but they didn’t do it very well, otherwise they would have been in Russia since the 20s. last century about the same picture.
        1. tatra April 8 2019 15: 19 New
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          As I wrote, to myself, praising the high. fertility in the Republic of Ingushetia, this would not be desirable. To do this, it would be necessary for you all to live in the villages, you would not have doctors and contraceptives, so that abortion would be prohibited. So that land for food is given to you by the number of eaters in the family, the more eaters, the more land.
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            To do this, it would be necessary for you all to live in the villages, you would not have doctors and contraceptives, so that abortion was prohibited

            Irina - where did you live better? In which countries?
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            To do this, it would be necessary for you all to live in the villages, you would not have doctors and contraceptives, so that abortion would be prohibited.
            In the 30s, the village moved into the city, abortions were prohibited, and doctors were, but those who did not have abortions for medical reasons (illness of the mother and fetus) were planted, like prostitutes, homosexuals and other perverts. If you subtract the years of the war, then, until Stalin's death, the birth rate continued to rise, and then the liberal "thaw" came to the RSFSR, contraceptives, abortion without medical indications, prostitutes returned to restaurants, train stations, highways, etc. A gradual decrease in the birth rate to y. 80s, And in the 90s - already porn on TV, brothels, homestands on the stage, again, is accompanied by a sharp decrease in the birth rate. Fertility is regulated not by handouts, but by the sexual morality of society.
            Quote: tatra
            So that land for food is given to you by the number of eaters in the family, the more eaters, the more land.
            Fair. I'm not against.
  • Den717 April 8 2019 14: 03 New
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    No, it’s the people’s fault that after the capture of Russia by the enemies of the Communists immediately, mortality increased by 20-40% and the birth rate decreased

    Here, after all, how, and the outraged Communists are the people, and the enemies of the Communists are the people. What part of the people are you making claims?
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      YOU, the enemies of the Communists in the USSR are NOT the people. Are you with the USSR, that after the capture of the USSR you have always been and are enemies of your country and people. You did NOT do ANYTHING useful either during the USSR or after the USSR’s capture for the country and people, on the contrary, you always only do harm, damage to the country and people and huge sacrifices of the people, and you yourself chant that you have nothing to do with it "neither to what happened in the country before the capture of the USSR, nor to what happens in the country 27 years after the capture of the USSR, nor to the capture of the USSR by you.
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        Quote: tatra
        YOU, the enemies of the Communists in the USSR are NOT the people

        That is, you refuse me to consider yourself a part of my people? And who are you? Stalin was handed over to you by the STATE, and you clapped his hands and ovations at empty congresses and party conferences. The cadres of the party and Komsomol activists brought up by you, seizing the moment, dragged away what you called the public property. You are bankrupt and mediocrity, which your accomplices have deceived. So you are enraged by the insult that you were wiped from the feeder. These are you modern communist fans.
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          The classic cowardly response of the enemies of the Communists to all the accusations against them is based on the principle of "defending oneself through an attack on others."
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            The classic cowardly response of the enemies of the Communists

            At least I fought for my (and yours) country. What did you do except barking at the fence?
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            The classic cowardly response of the enemies of the Communists to all the accusations against them is based on the principle of "defending oneself through an attack on others."
            Self-criticism ?! No, it can not be...
  • Ingvar 72 April 8 2019 07: 40 New
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    Quote: Gayver
    The authorities are to blame for 100 divorces per 80 marriages
    Do you allow your children TNT to watch? And by the way, it is funded by the state. Not directly, through Gazprom.
    Quote: Gayver
    the authorities are to blame for the fact that 1 million people have HIV
    More than 90% of AIDS patients received it through the ass, or through a vein. Most are through a vein, and this is also the indirect fault of the state, because they are not effectively fighting the drug trade. A dealer lives in a friend’s porch, so the whole staircase scribbles complaints against him, and the point is zero.
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    Power is to blame for everything, and the people are all white and fluffy!

    You are like Makarevich, who once blurted out that our government was unlucky with the people.
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      The guys wrote the wrong way.
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        Quote: Vadim237
        The guys wrote the wrong way.

        Head of Internal Affairs Directorate Togliatti Akhmetkhanov - isn’t there? belay
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          It was necessary to write to the FSB - at the same time to the department of their own security.
  • forty-eighth April 8 2019 07: 54 New
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    Well, the worthless people of our poor government got what to do. Already she promises the people and the rivers of milk and the jelly banks, but he still doesn’t. Poor, poor power
  • depressant April 8 2019 07: 58 New
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    Gayver, calm down, for you are right only in a very insignificant measure. Here, on a nearby branch, the question of Andropov was raised, and had to dig far and deep. Astonishing things showed up! It turns out that under Stalin it was beneficial for Russian collective farmers to give birth to many children - such was the economic structure. And indeed the structure of the economy contributed to the reproduction of the population. That is why you think that urban markets are still called collective farms by inertia, not being such? Why do you think the country managed to rise to the pre-war level of production in the five post-war years, for which Western economists have given us at least a hundred years? And why everything collapsed under Khrushchev to breadcards and the subsequent uprising of workers in Novocherkassk. This is where we must proceed from, analyzing the issue of the reluctance of Russian women to give birth. Having discarded the mask of socialism, the current government has created capitalism of such an animal essence, in which it needs only our small part, and our significant part - superfluous! We are superfluous people, understand? Intuitively, the population feels it. We are like unwanted guests in our own land, which, in essence, is no longer ours, and they make it clear to us in every way, without saying so directly. But - it hangs in the air! .. Do you think a Russian woman will give birth, knowing that her child will be needed in the future to an even lesser extent than her mother? The authorities, having created such a situation, were so detached from the people that they did not even understand what was happening. Hence the delusional, but essentially hypocritical moaning of Golikova.
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  • kunstkammer April 8 2019 07: 04 New
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    Started - for health, finished - for peace!
    It seems that the author of the problem showed it correctly and didn’t hide those responsible either .. but the proposed solutions ... excuse me - stupidity!
    Lack of benefits for those who did not give birth when entering university? How to understand it? The author suggests that youngsters become pregnant in 14 - 15 years? Well, so to speak, by the 17 years it’s already for sure to get a benefit on admission.
    Author, do you have a daughter?
    Next:
    "Provide first", alas, does not work

    It works, dear man, even as it works, and even in Western countries. It’s simple - whoever has liquid soup, and who has small pearls. For those who have small pearls - your handouts on bread with water are useless. And the others, most of whom are present small handouts, are not solutions to problems.
    Housing (at least social) and paid (average in the region) childcare up to 5 (at least, but better - before school) years, hospital 100% for child care ... and many more options, if of course you want a solution to this Problems.
    And walking mothers ... and now thousands of officials are caught - the business is working at its full potential.
    1. sniperino April 8 2019 09: 27 New
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      Quote: kunstkammer
      It works, dear man, how it works, even in Western countries
      Give an example, but the impression that you are not in the subject of the word "completely", dear man. You do not know that Europe and Russia are swarthy before our eyes with a noticeable difference in income? Actively multiply also different in level mat. welfare of the country. We have children most of all in which families, if you know anything about this?
  • Alex66 April 8 2019 07: 08 New
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    For a woman to give birth, she must be a household at home and deal with children, which means either her husband must earn for two or she must receive a salary for such work. If a woman is forced to build a career, she will not give birth.
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      Quote: Alex66
      For a woman to give birth, she must be a household at home and deal with children, which means either her husband must earn for two or she must receive a salary for such work.

      If a quarter of the male population works as security guards, who will pay them a normal salary? The structure of work is extremely negative, there is no highly skilled work for which a good salary is paid, and every year it gets worse.
      We have a country of traders and officials with a tail of lawyers, doctors, actors, security guards, and other servants serving them. WHERE will there be decent salaries ???
    2. sniperino April 8 2019 11: 29 New
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      Quote: Alex66
      In order for a woman to give birth, she must be an au pair at home and deal with children
      That is, should there be different rights and obligations, separate training with different contents? Just a little, the birth rate is higher in those countries where it is preserved and supported by tradition.
  • paul3390 April 8 2019 07: 18 New
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    It’s just when there is a firm understanding that further in the country it will only get worse — somehow strain appears with incentives for reproduction somehow ...
    1. Vadim237 April 8 2019 09: 46 New
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      I heard this in the early 90s, in the late 90s, at the beginning of the 2000s, at the end of the 2000s, at the beginning of 2010 and now again in 2019 - Russia will die, will die out, everyone will become drug addicts, they will succumb to everything else in the same vein - several hundred articles in year, every decade - not tired yet?
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        nor tired yet?
        and you just compare the statistics on population decline, and to be objective do not consider the 90s. But do not forget who began to import immigrants en masse to Russia. they certainly gave a plus.
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        But what - we have population growth is not only due to migrants? Has the situation somehow improved?
        1. Fan-fan April 8 2019 18: 10 New
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          Pasha, what is the gain? Even migrants do not help, the decline is on. We are dying out. Where is the government demographic program? Huh? No. They up there and so good, why strain for the country?
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            There will be a new census - then we will find out whether we are dying out or not.
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      when there is a firm understanding that further in the country it will only get worse - somehow strain appears with incentives for reproduction
      Here they know for sure that it will not be worse, and therefore, if something changes, then only for the better
      Our golden childhood
      Everything is brighter every day!
      1. paul3390 April 8 2019 13: 42 New
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        You see - in the culture of these figs, how their children will live .. For they always had a really bad shit, they got used to it. And it’s warm again - the cost of children is an order of magnitude lower. Plus - the maximum primitiveness of the economy, which depends solely on the number of workers in the family .. Well - like in our village under the Romanovs. Do you propose to reach that level? So - and so in the country unemployment is not frail - what will everyone feed on?
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          Quote: paul3390
          in the culture of these people in FIG how their children will live
          Do not whistle, there will be no money. They want the children to grow up healthy, smart, respected in their village, hoping that they will someday be able to get out of poverty.
          Quote: paul3390
          Do you propose to reach that level?
          I propose not to use the first explanation that came across the eyes of common sense, but to seek a refutation to him.
  • krops777 April 8 2019 07: 23 New
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    Mortality in Russia has increased in every third region. And this is already very symptomatic.


    This discovery is such a discovery, they are too far from the people and the problems of the people seem to care less for them, to state the facts and I can without any Rosstat there.
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    1. Antares April 8 2019 08: 30 New
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      Lyuda marries e .... sya, and there’s nothing to put on shoes in. A demographic pit in her head. Such people went, morals. Career first of all!

      copulative acts have long ceased to pursue the purpose of reproduction
      we are hypersexual animals, we are for pleasure
      ministers do not understand the essence of the problem — what modern women don’t want (they don’t want) to give birth
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      Maybe something will be in your head
  • Ali Kokand April 8 2019 07: 34 New
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    Since ancient times, problems with democracy have an elegant religious solution. Having a large offspring is a pious deed, as most religions interpret it, flocks should naturally grow. Accordingly, childless are considered unhappy people deprived of the creator. Earlier in Russia, basically all families were large, and this allowed the empire to expand its territories and populate them with a loyal population. The mortality rate of newborns was high, but less than that of other nationalities. Atheism and population migration to cities, lifestyle changes hit demographics. The collapse of the USSR has, among others, a demographic reason: the growth of the Muslim population was ahead of the growth of the Slavs. Russia inherited these problems of the USSR. Having a baby and raising it is WORK. Not everyone is ready for it.
  • koksalek April 8 2019 07: 43 New
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    A year ago, the same lady poured on her ears that everything is fine Marquise, the standard of living is growing steadily, demography is flourishing and we all began to live longer and better. From what they said, the officials themselves fell into ecstasy and in it they adopted the law on pensions. Tepericha has a hangover
  • gla172 April 8 2019 07: 59 New
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    ... she along with the most severe hangover was ... how she was trembling !!! .... trouble with the authorities .... trouble ....
  • kuz363 April 8 2019 08: 02 New
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    Since fertility decline also occurs in wealthy countries, it turns out that the standard of living has nothing to do with it. And to fight this is pointless.
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      Quote: kuz363
      Since fertility decline also occurs in wealthy countries, it turns out that the standard of living has nothing to do with it. And to fight this is pointless.

      correlation with women's education and place in the economy. Above, and works almost like a man, that means he will not give birth. RF -99% educated women. Give birth as Western, bad
      here only migrants will save the father of Russian demography laughing
      but will bring a lot of problems when melting.
      Children need to be imported. It is easier to re-melt them.
  • ROBIN-SON April 8 2019 08: 04 New
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    And where are the breakthroughs promised almost a year ago. And what were they? Like do not break through a mustache ...
  • gla172 April 8 2019 08: 11 New
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    ...... the population of Western Europe, its aristocracy has long ranked as a herd of obedient sheep. More precisely, slaves .......
    ..... the demographic filter for loyalty to power has been operating in Western Europe for 2 thousand years. He is acting now, only took a different form, the main weapon of which is material well-being. Try picking against the authorities! You will immediately lose everything: both work, housing, and everything acquired. They won’t put you in jail, no, of course, unless you start an open war against the system, but they’ll “rip off it like sticky” under the root. Therefore, for Western puppeteers, we are the most persistent people on earth .......
  • bistrov. April 8 2019 08: 21 New
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    The fact is that in rural areas throughout the post-Soviet space, mainly elderly people live, who are about to ... There are practically no youth in the villages. This is due to the collapse and liquidation of collective farms, state farms, which were multifunctional enterprises and gave work to virtually everyone. In addition, manual labor prevailed there, i.e. the functioning of these enterprises required a lot more people. But even then, already from the end of the 50s, the outflow of youth into the city began.
    In the villages there remained the most immobile, unable or unwilling to study, and prone to alcoholism, who could not be useful in industrial production, where working conditions were much better and salaries were much higher.
    But the top leadership of the USSR stubbornly did not notice this problem, they realized it already in the 80s, when the train had already left, in rural areas, attempts began to build roads, housing, and raising wages, which did not lead to anything.
    The collapse of the collective farms and state farms finally finished off the village and drove the situation into a corner. There was nowhere to work in the village, from the word completely, then why and how to live there? To the farmer and so-called "agricultural holdings" do not need so many people, many farmers generally work as their family, and additional workers, in the form of only a few people, are hired for seasonal work, and agricultural holdings process hundreds and thousands of hectares of land by transferring specialists and equipment from place to place. What was the rest of the people to do? How to live? All who were still able to work migrated to the cities. In rural areas, only pensioners were left to survive, who no longer make sense to break away. For whom to build these outpatient clinics and paramedics?
    We need to think about how to increase and stimulate the birth rate in cities and large settlements, the measures that the government is taking now are clearly not enough.
  • YasenPen April 8 2019 08: 29 New
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    Will a miracle happen now?

    Our miracle is a "field of miracles" from the bloc of United Russia, headed by a guarantor, before the election, as if dissociated from these "servants of the people", and the cabinet of the Government of the Russian Federation, headed by "there is no money, but you stay there," which he appointed personally, man-made.
    True, let’s better laugh at Ukraine ... and our tsar’s tsar will decide for us what we need and what we don’t need, and you sit further on the stove!
  • 112-17 April 8 2019 08: 31 New
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    a man is not a dog, they plopped down, ran away and everything will not work out well, the child needs a lot to give, he must be said to be so competitive, and the more at the early stage of development the better. And this is education and finance. Wife would not have been reduced, would have gone for a third. And with three children, it is better for mothers to deal only with home and family, and this is again finances. Since before, at the beginning of the 20th century, it will no longer be, then the man earned so that he could feed 5 mouths. Now the trend is different.
  • ELEZKIY April 8 2019 08: 37 New
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    Quote: Alex66
    For a woman to give birth, she must be a household at home and deal with children, which means either her husband must earn for two or she must receive a salary for such work. If a woman is forced to build a career, she will not give birth.

    absolutely right, the "well-off and educated" woman does not have to give birth to five! it is necessary to change the way of life !!! for our vast country, the existing order is poison
  • steelmaker April 8 2019 08: 43 New
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    Our government has decided to populate Russia with Caucasians and Chinese, so everything is purple for them.
    1. depressant April 8 2019 09: 38 New
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      I didn’t want to continue the topic, but touched bistrov. They said "a," say "b." Under Stalin, the collective farmer worked for “sticks” in the accountant's journal — the so-called workdays. It would seem awful, right? Now let's see what really happened. At the end of the year, the collective farm handed over the planned amount of production, received money, paid suppliers of seeds, equipment and other services, and also developed the infrastructure and social welfare of the village. The collective farmer for the "sticks" received in kind! That is a grown product. But he could take it with money. Poorly? And no! Almost no one took money. Because the co-operative came to the collective farmer instantly and bought products from him at a higher price than the collective farm gave for “sticks”. But the collective farmer did not sell to the cooperative the whole stock of the product, but only a part. Ostolnoe himself drove to the collective farm market, he traded on it at a much higher price than the cooperative. It follows that the collective farmer was extremely interested in increasing productivity and worked on the collective farm wholeheartedly and tirelessly. After all, the larger the crop, the more it will get after the collective farm has delivered the products according to the state plan. That is why the post-war famine was so quickly eliminated. Moreover, each collective farmer had his own farmstead, on which - from small to large - a large family worked, which means there was a good additional income ... But this is not enough! There were the so-called individual farmers - Soviet farmers who worked only for themselves and paid some insignificant tax to the state ... Such an organization of rural labor under Stalin not only allowed us to quickly saturate the country with food and reduce prices, but also contributed to an increase in the birth rate countryside ....
      And then came Khrushchev, who decided to pay the collective farmer for a workday with live money at the rate established by the state - eliminated, so to speak, the elements of capitalism in the countryside. The interest of the collective farmer in work fell sharply. Try not to try, you will get a fixed fee that does not suit you. That is why collective farms began to grow weak and came to cards and uprisings. In the long run - until the birth rate falls in all segments of the population.
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        there was a courtyard of its own, on which - from small to large - a large family worked, which means there was a good additional income ...

        Let's not forget that this is a daily hard labor without days off, holidays, sick leave and holidays. Feed the cattle, water it, (milk it if necessary), remove manure - it is necessary every day and it is impossible to skip.
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          but it was precisely this way of life that gave fast population growth rates, which, in turn, laid the foundation for the economic growth of the whole country!
      2. Gardamir April 8 2019 09: 59 New
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        workdays.
        I will add from myself. The farther you live. the more you understand. that one cannot judge the past from the standpoint of today. They represent us. that workdays. lack of pensions and passports is evil. But then everything was different.
        And you for an additional story about the Stalinist economy is a huge plus.
      3. Monster_Fat April 8 2019 10: 09 New
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        My childhood passed on the Soviet collective farm in the Kuban and I fully confirm your words. Moreover, the state then took care of the commodity filling of the life of collective farmers — there were always “shops” in which only the collective farmer could buy many goods that were “limited to the townspeople”. In addition, there were separate “queues” for collective farmers for durable goods and motorbikes, in fact, there were no “queues” —nicked the required amount, ordered a car on the board, and they bring it to you. Then, in every peasant's yard there was a car, not to mention motorcycles and scooters such as "Ant", "Tourist", "Vyatka-Electron", which the "townspeople" could only envy. There was one truth, but the “big” “BUT” - it all depended heavily on the chairman of the collective farm — his literacy, life experience, ability to select people and put them in the right places and communicate with higher authorities. If the chairman corresponded, then the collective farm was rich, if not, then there were barely making ends meet.
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          about the commodity content of the life of collective farmers, "shops" constantly came
          By the way, my children's 60s. Were visiting relatives in the village. We went into a village shop. Until now, before my eyes. floor-to-ceiling shop and all counters are clogged with goods.
          1. Fan-fan April 8 2019 18: 19 New
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            And I confirm, under the USSR, how it was necessary to buy something in short supply, I drove from the city to rural shops.
        2. AU Ivanov. April 8 2019 12: 59 New
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          This is in the Kuban. Stick a stick there, it will grow. And my childhood was spent in a village in the non-Chernozem region, in the Novgorod region. A farmer’s car was a rarity. More and more collective farm used for personal purposes. And the youth had one dream - to dump in the city, albeit on the position of a limiter, in the hostel, but in the city.
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            A farmer’s car was a rarity. More and more collective farm used for personal purposes. And the youth had one dream - to blame for the city, albeit to the position of a limiter, to the hostel, but to the city

            Yes, there was such an absurd phenomenon, so what a sin to conceal. request But as they say, it began under Khrushchev.
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            youth had one dream
            Dreams Come True! Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin came and there were almost no villages left in the country.
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        Guaranteed monetary wages of collective farmers were introduced under Brezhnev. Under Khrushchev, a significant part of the collective farms was transformed into state farms, whose workers received wages.
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    Now, I’m just engaged in registration of benefits for a large family. ..of those who actually work - a tax on transport tax up to 150ls, a tax on property and land. The rest is confused, it is tied to income, then something else. They promise to make a 6% mortgage.
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      The rest is confused, it is tied to income, then something else. They promise to make a 6% mortgage.

      Now it seems like 450 thousand rubles. Vova promised to repay the mortgage, but Golikova seems to have limited them to 10% of the total mortgage. The same is made out. drinks
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        There is a Region so far a certificate for a third child 3tr ..... we are waiting for Vovyn.
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          They give us a hundred, but a year after the birth of the third. Globally a penny, but thanks for that. Tea is not in the UAE or Kuwait live. laughing
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            We also give either 6 or 8 acres for development .... in kukuevo, really.
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              . in kukuevo, really.

              We have the same. but nothing. people live everywhere! laughing
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    She put her hand to the decline in fertility when she was the Minister of Health, by the way - without a medical education, if anyone draws an analogy with Ukraine and Suprun.
  • Stalnov I.P. April 8 2019 09: 52 New
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    And you can add about the low professionalism of all these leaders, also about the pension reform and the importance of grandparents who, retiring at 55 and 60 years old, could pick up a child, when a young mother can work, go to the doctor herself, all these talkers - the executives poherili.Eto handouts in the form of monetary compensation (they increase their salaries at times), not the solution of social programs for housing, work, training. Together, all this speaks only about the mediocrity of these people.
  • akudr48 April 8 2019 09: 55 New
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    Demagogical demography of Putin
  • Alecsandr April 8 2019 10: 07 New
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    Now people instinctively feel insecurity and uncertainty in the future. They scold the so-called “scoop”, but there a person somehow felt his importance or something. He was interested in the state and the trade union committee and regional committee, and even a friendly court. He knew that he was a person and had a high self-esteem and a sense of belonging to a great country. The songs sang "Tomorrow will be better than yesterday ,,," And indeed life gradually improved for everyone and not for a handful of "chosen ones" as it is now. All this collapsed overnight. And not from the fact that the economy was bad. The remnants of this economy we still eat up 30 years later, but from the banal betrayal of the elites. Which, by the way, built communism for themselves at the expense of all the people they threw. The people feel this. He understands that no one needs him right now and does not fit into the value system of this "capitalism". And he does not have either a flag or a Homeland. And the main thing is ideas for which to fight. Stuff your stomach and buy a Mercedes for the idea is not pulled. That's what our people have that is not in the West. This is a sense of justice. That’s why people liked the film "Brother" and the monologue "Well, you made money and why ..." But nothing more is emptiness and lies. And where is it give birth to children. The "elite" have their own children and they have already taken shape in the class of "celestials" And my children will be forever in their submission and in a hungry body without any prospects living on the crumbs served from the master's table. Here are many stops creating a strong family with many children. Now the attack is on family values ​​on all fronts, just look at TNT and "House 2". And he was included in the package of digital free television broadcasting. You look at the relationships there and you think our children really need to live like that, who will grow up and hear "But there was nothing to produce poverty ..." from some kind of snickering official. They have enough of those people who are now to serve them. Why do they need extra people and extra problems. And the fact that they proclaim from the zombie hunter is sheer Pharisaism. "Judge not according to their words but according to their deeds," a quote from the Bible. And the state for them is a feeding trough and a lot of bonded and dissatisfied slaves. All their interests are abroad. Money, property and children in Cambridge. But the spirit of our people still remains to look at the heroism of our guys in Syria. Not everyone will fire on themselves and blow himself up and enemies with a grenade. Our people are good, but for some reason they are always unlucky with the bosses. Well, at least one goal was to let the people live, and not just a bunch of the so-called "elite" who eats up and gnaws like termites and bugs to what the state building will not achieve once again collapses.
  • kunstkammer April 8 2019 10: 15 New
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    and that impression

    Sorry if impressed !!! But for you personally - there is no desire to bring anything ... you are too impressionable, this is not good. I note, but only for you, that I have been living here for almost 30 years and clearly see the changes. Especially in recent years.
    Get your impressions from Dmitry Kiselyov’s Sunday program. It will be more joyful in the soul.
    With proletarian greetings to you!
    1. Fan-fan April 8 2019 18: 24 New
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      I also remember how Dima Kiselev worked for UNT, where Gusinsky was the owner. So there Dima Yeltsin touted the same as Putin is now. Weathervane, not a journalist this jelly, but like most others.
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        You do not confuse with Evgeny Kiselyov?
  • Departure April 8 2019 10: 19 New
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    Golikova would have mentioned another opinion poll, according to which 40% of young people want to leave the country.
    it turns out that even those few who are born do not want to connect their lives with Russia, and who remains?
    I, of course, am not an economist, but from the outside it seems that all the “gains” and “improvements” from the government are aimed solely at ensuring that we have a little better than our neighbors.
    the government is trying to get as much cheap labor as possible here, and who will build rockets, factories, weapons, make discoveries? migrants? they don’t think about it at all, at best they don’t give a damn. in a generation or two, when the missiles are rusty, and everyone who can repair them will scatter around the world, we will suffer the fate of Libya and Iraq. and what will hinder these prospects?
  • Sotskiy April 8 2019 10: 20 New
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    .... And this, as we understand it, means the ongoing degradation of the medical supply of the population, a drop in incomes, a deterioration in the diet of the average Russian, less availability of medicines for him, and so on. That is, it’s completely and completely “merit” of the current government and Tatyana Golikova personally ....

    Again cunning or embarrassed, yes the author? wink
    But what about the “time to quietly steer away from paternalism” from the First Person? Or is it not our Presidential Republic?
    So here is the government, whose work is pretty first person and executes the mandate of "taxiing".
    If in the country over the course of 34 years there have been "reforms" in everything, wherever the imagination of the "reformers" could have reached, what kind of demography can there be under such "stability"?
  • New Year day April 8 2019 10: 42 New
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    And we will wait for good news

    do not wait, Viktorov Kuzovkov!
    As a person related to this very mortality, I affirm this.
    A friend of his friend built the second coffin factory in the Moscow Region.
    The people are dying, despite the pathos of the authorities, mortality is growing.
    2018 survey on the quality of medical care in Moscow

    What then to say around the country?
    The problem is that the primary link of medicine is destroyed, what should be of the highest quality and professional (Academician Akchurin).
    No specialized center can perform the function of primary care!
    According to the report of the Accounts Chamber (2015), healthcare reform in Russia was recognized as a failure: it not only did not improve the quality of medical services provided to the population, but made them less accessible for the population.
    Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences V.I. Kashin: as a result of reforms, approximately 48% of healthcare costs are borne by the population, there is a massive closure of medical institutions and a reduction in doctors. At the same time, according to the end of 2015, the number of practicing doctors in the Russian Federation was 22% less than what is required by staffing standards, and the shortage of beds in hospitals was 23%; the availability of medical care for Russians decreased due to a number of factors, and in the village, where the medical supply is 3,5 times lower than in the city, the mortality rate in 2014 was 15% higher than the urban one.
    Yes, now the authorities are making attempts and the box happily informs us about the opening of new outpatient clinics, FAPs.
    But at first the authorities closed them, and now they are re-creating them. Why did you close it? Stimulation of childbirth through the issuance of maternal capital to primiparous will not help.
    Walls can be built, but where can I get doctors? In the countryside, the supply of doctors is 3,5 times lower than in the city; at the end of 2016, the deficit of district therapists in Russian clinics was 27 percent; the deficit of pediatricians was 18 percent. The quality of training of doctors collapsed at times.
    As a result: in 2018, mortality in 32 regions increased, fertility declines.
    A European healthcare model is being formed in the country.
    Yesterday I spoke with a comrade living and temporarily arrived from Germany: an ambulance can be called only for the dying. If the ambulance team found the call unsubstantiated (that is, you could have reached \ the hospital by taxi \ on foot), the patient will be fined. You will be examined in the reception department in full and if the doctor considers that your complaints do not correspond to an emergency condition, then again a fine.
    With acute appendicitis, you can go to the hospital for 200 km, since there are no surgeons or operating rooms in the district.
    There are many of our doctors who have legalized in the EU.
    This is such a gloomy picture. Does not coincide with the opinion of Skvortsova.
  • kunstkammer April 8 2019 10: 44 New
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    Since fertility decline also occurs in wealthy countries, it turns out that the standard of living has nothing to do with it. And to fight this is pointless.

    living standards in Western countries fell sharply and the monthly child allowance of about 300 Euro became a substantial amount for mothers. When there is practically no normally paid work, and the existing Eurobridge everywhere instead is 300 - maximum 500 Euro per month. Half of the city works on Eurojob or at a minimum rate. The head of the eastern department of one "respected" Company works with a salary of a little more than the minimum rate. I know what I'm talking about!
    What do you choose? To bother with a dishwasher for that amount? And from this money you have to spend money on expensive road charges, etc.? Or give birth to a child, receive almost 300 Euro on it and confidently, without the risk of loss, receive additional social for the same amount. There are some other benefits.
    So the rulers found a way out - universal impoverishment of the population.
  • Stalker84 April 8 2019 10: 50 New
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    The author is a demagogue himself. References to a "rotting Europe" are fundamentally flawed. In Africa or Bangladesh people live in absolute poverty and breed like rabbits. But we only need it — fertility at such a price? All these prices will cause nothing but irritation, and why is it bad to want to live beautifully, well off? ”God gave the hare, will give the lawn“ Alla, to everyone who says that, show me a personal example 5 children or take from an orphanage! It’s good to be righteous and kind at someone else’s expense. And so yes, demographic problems are being addressed comprehensively. Ideally, a woman should be able to stay married without working at all. That the husband could provide a family working alone. As it was in the US during the "baby boom". Then the indicators will be trampled. The root of evil is a socio-economic model that does not allow us to achieve this in our countries and in the West. Women are forced to plow along with men.
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      I read somewhere that in tsarist Russia, when a worker got married, his salary was almost doubled. So that he can keep his wife sitting with a child.
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        Somewhere, probably, I would sit behind the stocks and wait for my husband from the factory.
    2. ruivit1988 April 9 2019 05: 30 New
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      I completely agree with you, you need to create such conditions that the young guy is safe alone to support his wife and children. Then the girls sitting at home will give birth to children, and in many ways, since they will be busy with what they are. That is, the guardians of the hearth, and not tortured by the robot and at home.
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  • sgrabik April 8 2019 11: 34 New
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    It's time to introduce a tax for childlessness again, it existed even in the days of the USSR, although this problem must be solved in a complex and more certainly with the help of a carrot than a whip.
    1. yehat April 8 2019 11: 55 New
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      why should a childless tax be introduced? First, let the government repeal laws that discriminate against men in family law and provoke the destruction of families, reduce unemployment by three times, raise the subsistence level and the minimum hourly wage, reduce predatory social contributions, protect people from sudden dismissals on employers' wishes in court (so that a person can challenge the matter for days, not years, now the employer can easily bring an employee under the article on dismissal with a wolf ticket and pay nothing) and only then stutters about childlessness.
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      It's time to reintroduce a childless tax

      Yes, yes, that’s the way it is, it’s necessary to introduce even more taxes, because everyone knows (especially in the Duma and the government) that it is taxes that “stimulate” the birth rate. yes
    3. Ross xnumx April 8 2019 14: 03 New
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      It's time to reintroduce a childless tax

      We must deal with the progressive personal income tax rate and reduce VAT to zero, replacing it with sales tax for the owner of the outlet. Freeze housing and communal services tariffs, bringing them in line with the real cost of services. Introduce a unified energy tariff for all regions ... And then engage in parasites, childless, refusing to give birth to three ... lol
      Tell me, why do we need female deputies in the State Duma who have one child? Let him go to the family, to her husband ... laughing
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      It will not give anything. The people simply become even more impoverished and angry.
  • Ali Kokand April 8 2019 12: 05 New
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    The comments dealt with a personal contribution to demography, so to speak. Although I do not live in Russia, but as a former citizen of the USSR I will say ... My wife and I now regret that we stopped for four children in 1994. I lost my job that year, my wife was a housewife. Let's go to business. Now we have a normal income, children with higher education, seven grandchildren. Could at least grow two more. But, the train left. Children, I say, give birth, but do not want more than two. Time to enter your criteria, survived.
    1. Ross xnumx April 8 2019 13: 54 New
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      You are a happy person! You have brought the country twice as much benefit as the same guarantor. One misfortune. Not everyone is given such happiness. Sometimes due to the usual inability to give birth. But many people do not want to start a family for various reasons. Even in wealthy families in terms of wealth ...
  • asiat_61 April 8 2019 12: 29 New
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    The Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation rejected an application from the Kurgan Region to co-finance a project to build a new children's clinic in the Zaozerny district of the capital of Zauralie. This became known during the parliamentary hour in the State Duma of the Russian Federation, in which Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova took part. Today’s news is a sign of the newspaper. that’s all, and in the Zaozerny people live more than 100.
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      It became known from anyone - from a yellow paper or website?
  • Egor2517 April 8 2019 13: 08 New
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    What did you want in a consumer society? The complete lack of ideology in the country leads to inevitable degradation and extinction, oil and gas will not replace the national idea.
  • Ross xnumx April 8 2019 13: 46 New
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    The performance was planned, it took place within the framework of the “government hour” and nothing supernatural was expected on it.

    These “planned” speeches by Golikova, broadcasting in a sobbing voice, are similar to the stories of a wife beaten by her husband. Some are quite interesting (when she was in the Accounts Chamber). How to perceive it now? Nekrasov has a poem - "Reflections at the front door." It says about all our officials from the heart:
    What do you care for this grief
    What do you need this poor people?
    Eternal holiday fast running
    Life does not let you wake up.
    And why? Schelkoperov fun
    You call the good of the people;
    Without him you will live with glory
    And you will die with glory!
    Tranquil Arcade Idyll
    Old days will end:
    Under the captivating sky of Sicily
    In the incense tree shade
    Contemplating how the sun is purple
    Immersed in the azure sea,
    Its stripes are golden
    Lulled by gentle singing
    Mediterranean wave - like a child
    You fall asleep surrounded by care
    Dear and beloved family
    (Waiting for your death with impatience);
    Your remains will be brought to us,
    To commemorate the funeral of the Trinity
    And you go down to the grave ... a hero,
    Secretly cursed by the fatherland
    Exalted by loud praise! ..

    It remains to ask the people: "Are the conclusions of people from the Kremlin and Moscow offices so interesting to us?"
    You wake up full of energy
    Ile, destinies obeying the law,
    All that you could have already done
    Created a song like a groan
    And spiritually rested forever? ..
  • seacap April 8 2019 14: 06 New
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    These people, many of them killed the state and organized looting in its territory, were recruited not by professional grounds, but by personal devotion, banally mentally and intellectually unable to creatively solve the problems that faced the country. Again, everything rests on education and upbringing to school, so “successfully” destroyed by them so that creative personalities grow out of children, and not “advanced consumers”, so that women and future mothers grow up from girls, and not smoky and swearing feminists who hate everything and everything so that defenders, workers and engineers, scientists and teachers would grow out of boys, and not scoundrels without morality and honor, educated and imitators of "houses, brothers", etc.
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      Quote: seacap
      everything rests on education and upbringing to school, so “successfully” destroyed by them so that creative personalities grow out of children, and not “advanced consumers”, so that women and future mothers grow out of girls, rather than smoky and swearing feminists who hate everything and all so that defenders, workers and engineers, scientists and teachers would grow out of boys, and not scoundrels without morality and honor, educated and imitators of "houses, brothers", etc.

      And dad and mom are out of business? The school, the state, the Ministry of Health and other things are to blame ... Only we ourselves orphans and wretched are not guilty of anything. We cannot pass a medical examination in a timely manner, and then howl at the moon for 800-ruble tablets in order to prolong their worthless life with cancer of the last stage, for idiotic children whom the class teacher pulled from ears to class and to parents it wasn’t a leisure time to take care of my unapproved squeegee. Then, of course, the state blocked all the “social elevators” for him, dumb, .... Yes, they built their own lives in such a way that they did not save up any education, or additional income and savings for old age. And therefore we are sitting with a broken trough and blaming everyone for everything, because looking at the truth like in a mirror is painful and disgusting.
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        Judging by the minuses, some fellow citizens meeting with reality is very painful. laughing
      2. ruivit1988 April 9 2019 05: 16 New
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        What disparization we don’t want to go through, I’ve been dreaming of going to the hospital for half a year now. I just can’t, there’s no time, because Saturday and Sunday are not working days. And on weekdays I am at work from six in the morning until seven in the evening. My wife is indignant at me that I go sneezing, and where to go if I do not have physically for this time. And the authorities do not let go, so what are you talking about what dispensation is talking about? About school, are you seeing this, do you have a child, a schoolboy? But my wife and I are sitting in a place with a child, doing homework until ten in the evening. I don’t know how to stepson, but I’m already waiting for the summer holidays to relax at least a little. Damn in my childhood in my opinion much less asked than now. Maybe your salary and income allow you to earn so much but not ours, then you jump from credit to credit and think how to get out so that you don’t take the next one! Well, prices are rising, and thus a prospect without a loan, this very one is pushing you somewhere far away.
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          And the authorities do not let go, so what are you talking about what dispensation is talking about?

          Are you a dumb slave? Then this is a question for the prosecutor's office and for your employer. In the end, none of the dead at the workplace was erected a monument ... I have two children. One finished with honors, the second ends the same way, approximately. So I am aware of school issues. and also the fact that most of the problems in a child at school are created by parents with their indifference and indifference. Salary, you say, is not high, why then take loans? He doesn’t make a richer loan, because you have to pay it anyway. It’s hard to discuss your “beautiful far”, but in any case - you are its author.
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            You can be interested in what kind of reality with this or that? You do not want credit, but you have to take it. Since any major acquisition rests on credit, including even putting a child on school and acquiring all kinds of accessories there.
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              You can be interested in what kind of reality with this or that?

              I'm from normal reality. And for no reason I do not feed the cans, because I live on earned. If there is not enough of what is, I wait for the next salary and pay off with my money. And I know that I need to collect the child to school for a long time before September 1, I manage to save up even if I return from vacation. I consider and plan my money. What other major acquisitions may be necessary to take a loan? A loan is good for urgent transactions when they carry the money themselves. Everything else is from the stupid planning of their funds. To live in my reality, I changed my job, profession, place of residence. Judging by the comments, you get pennies and work for them every day for 12 hours. Change your reality, but no one will help you.
              1. ruivit1988 April 9 2019 12: 10 New
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                An old song, they say it's your fault that you live poorly, work a little. You start to work a lot, but you still do not live very well, here they start shouting and change your work to a more paid one. But paid posts are occupied, and new tales of a song begin there again. They say the thing is bad not because the economy is wrong, but they say the matter is in you. After all, there are people who earn a lot of work. The problem is, they say! And everyone should climb out of their skin for some reason, striving for success, this is not what matters. Try to earn as much money as possible. After all, out of one hundred percent of high school graduates or vocational schools, five percent have achieved something. Well, the rest, they work incorrectly or live incorrectly!
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                  And everyone should climb out of their skin for some reason, striving for success, this is not what matters. Try to earn as much money as possible.

                  If you don’t think so, then why complain that there is not enough money? But, actually, having given birth to a child, you really have to take care of his upbringing, education, health. Therefore, you took upon yourself the duty of "climbing out of your skin", having already taken cover with your wife with one blanket. On the grounds that you, a man, are responsible for the prosperity and well-being of those who trust you. If you think not so, then you had to go to the monastery, and not to the registry office.
                  Quote: ruivit1988
                  After all, out of one hundred percent of high school graduates or vocational schools, five percent have achieved something. Well, the rest, they work incorrectly or live incorrectly!

                  If the rest of their lives do not satisfy them, then yes, “they are working incorrectly or living incorrectly!” Or they are working there and not living there, it is up to everyone to decide for themselves. What do you offer? Wait for the "blue helicopter" with the wizard?
  • antiaircrafter April 8 2019 14: 36 New
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    give priority to women with children in employment in schools, hospitals, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, customs, and so on
    And the dominance of Caucasians and Asians in these structures will come. Or in Russian regions there should be quotas for Russians.

    [bI understand that the latter idea will cause massive bouts of hatred among Russian "childfree" ladies] [/ b]
    Yes, and a dog with them.

    ... on courts adjudicating in favor of fathers and not in favor of walking mothers ...
    It's right.

    Why did the author of only women stimulate and did not remember the Soviet "egg tax"? A woman can’t give birth without a man.

    Together with shoulder straps, each student can be given a wife.
    No children - do not assign another rank.
    One child - growth to major, three to colonel. Well, it’s impossible for a general of less than five. And to extend this principle to the civil service.
    1. olimpiada15 April 8 2019 23: 35 New
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      In the first case, who will work? You can take jobs, but women with small children come to work already tired and exhausted.
      In the second case, and who will protect the country: sleepy generals with six children who know how to change diapers and have little idea how to command the army?
      Everyone should do their job well, for which it is necessary to start a working day full of energy, and young children are a difficult time. No need to provide work, finance. Young children is a very difficult job, without sleep and rest, but necessary and important.
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  • Dmitry Russky April 8 2019 15: 05 New
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    In this issue, one can discuss for a long time the fears of the country’s foggy future “without an idea” and bad medicine and social stratification, migrant flows, secret conspiracies to reduce the population of people, etc. ... however, only a few reasons are clear to me:
    1. The lack of discos, as a class of leisure and dating. Then my wife and I decided to recall our youth and simply find a place to move the bodies, but this turned out to be almost impossible. He traveled all over Moscow at night, there are no normal discos, there are a million bars, karaoke, strange clubs with a small dance floor and that's all. I remember in my youth 1995-2002 (when I was actively resting), in any area, in a recreation center, and where it is possible for current, there were normal discos (venues of huge sizes). There, people saw each other live, got acquainted, etc. ... and all this for a pittance, any student or schoolchild could go. And where now, an unsure baby can touch a woman’s body? .. and no where .. it’s easier to sip on a gadget .. There is no normal communication-> there is no normal sex-> there is no normal family.
    2. When the bourgeoisie realized that the exploitation of child labor was coming to an end, and the colonies ceased to bring in a drain of money .... they drove out women to work under the slogan of emancipation. There is one very important point: if until this moment the man was the only breadwinner ... and his income was enough for a large family, then after that only the funds of 2 parents provided an acceptable income. Now this is not enough. At the moment, our family income (2 children) is struggling to meet current needs, it is difficult to take a break. If at the same time one loses his job, then everyone has arrived. And this is in the capital, but let’s take Bryansk (I often go there) .... they don’t have any money at all. All my life I dreamed of buying myself a motik (the price is about 120-170) - for anything, I got the rights to "A" (3 years ago) - there is no motik. I apologize for the nagging and grammar, good luck to everyone, good mood and more money.
  • Olfred April 8 2019 16: 17 New
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    The fact that they will create places in a manger is good, but somehow with the logic of our government it’s not very ... mb first raise the standard of living for the population, so that people would like to raise demographics, not retirement age ... Yes, and the struggle with poverty, as it were, hi
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    As long as professionals such as Golikova are in power, the problem of demography will be demagogy! Indeed, she really knows from her work in the Accounts Chamber where millions and billions of the budget go, and for what purposes they are spent or plundered ... !!! And she cannot but know how officials by hook or by crook try to limit real help to those who would be ready to give birth not only to one child, but two or more .... !!! I just can’t believe that she did not know the level of difficulties of today's potential mothers, the impact of poverty and all kinds of difficulties of young families from lack of housing to employment, the level of salary or those meager benefits to feed herself and her child .... !! !! An example of a pension increase, in the history with which the president intervened, clearly shows the level of intelligibility of the leadership of the Golikova department in solving the most important social problems. And even if someone answered for such miscalculations, then they would nod their heads about everything again like geese, and people don’t get used to knocking on the President .... ???? Only the responsibility of these responsible ministers for the assigned area of ​​work is incomprehensible, in what it is expressed, only to anger the people and state the facts ..... !! ???
    We have women with eyes and just don’t want to give birth under the prevailing living conditions in our country. We need to raise it to be sure of the future ..... As for pensioners, especially in rural areas, then due to the optimization of medical facilities, and simply by their massive closure, elderly people simply cannot afford to maintain their health with the remoteness of medical care. And is it a secret that an ambulance, despite technical progress, arrives to its clients from the city to the village not in the prescribed 30 minutes, when it can still be saved from a heart attack or stroke, but in terms measured in hours, or even days !!! In general, there are many problems, while they speak a lot, but they do little, the result is on the face !!
    1. Vadim237 April 8 2019 19: 32 New
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      Divide all the problems into two - the state must solve the second part, and the people themselves need to solve the second part in Russia, the state does a poor job, and people don’t give a damn, even to themselves - the problem will not be solved in one part.
    2. Karabin April 8 2019 20: 28 New
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      Quote: Antor
      And even if someone answered for such miscalculations, then they would nod their heads about everything again like geese, and people don’t get used to knocking on the President .... ????

      Why bother him? Our president has repeatedly formed the government, including the golikovy. The work of the government is regularly satisfied, and unlike you, Golikova’s professionalism does not call into question. Putin's decrees on rewarding this lady are in the public domain.
      An example of a pension increase, in the story with which the president intervened, clearly shows the level of intelligibility of the department’s leadership

      No comment. Just a picture.
  • dimann27 April 8 2019 19: 15 New
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    I will not say in which country such a "government" has long been put up against the wall!