What does the US Army in Europe do? To defeat Russia or just hold up?

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26 March, the American edition of RealClear Defense has published material on the military-political situation in Europe. The author of the article was a retired US Army officer Sam Kanter, who is currently involved in defense development. His publication received a talking title: “The United States Army in Europe: Roadblock, Speedbump, or Something Else Entirely?” (“US Army in Europe: checkpoint, artificial irregularity or something else?”). As is clear from the title, the topic of the publication was the current state, tasks and prospects of the contingent of the American army in Europe.

At the beginning of his article, S. Kanter notes that in the past century there has been a "vicious cycle" of the development of the armed forces. The US Army was built to fight a certain enemy, triumphed (Pyrrhic or more successful), after which it changed to counter the new threat - but it soon became clear that the old challenges remained relevant. Russia now turns out to be a new repetition of such a cycle.



What does the US Army in Europe do? To defeat Russia or just hold up?


After the collapse of the USSR in the 1991 year, the United States began to reduce conventional weapons, and then for several decades focused on the fight against illegal armed groups. Only after that the US again noticed the need for armed forces in Europe. After 7 years after the dissolution of two land brigades in European countries, the US Army is again in the old cycle. The Pentagon intends to ensure the possibility of victory over the enemy in the field of conventional weapons. However, S. Kanter doubts the advisability of such a course in the context of the Russian threat.

The author asks important questions. Do the more powerful forces in Europe intend to defeat Russia or are they only going to delay its offensive? Is reinforced grouping a deterrent or political tool? Correct answers to these questions will help in the further planning of the development of the armed forces.

In this case, the author suggests to remember history development of the army after World War II. Historically, the benefit of the American army in Europe was to resolve political issues and deter, but not directly create, a force capable of stopping Russian troops. Instead of the simplest approach, providing for the priority of numbers, S. Kanter proposes to solve problems in Europe by other means, more subtle and less expensive.

After World War II and the New Look Strategy

The author recalls that the victory in World War II came at a great price, but no other country can match the USSR in casualties. At that time, a proposal to use the exhaustion of a former ally was being considered abroad. It was proposed, as Winston Churchill said earlier, "to strangle Bolshevism in its own cradle." General George Patton supported this position and offered to solve the Soviet question by the forces of one army in a few weeks. However, the "cradle" remained strong. In 1945, the Soviet armed forces numbered 11 million people - about the same as the United States. Also, Soviet troops were concentrated in Europe, could withstand heavy losses and quickly fill them. All this was an advantage, and therefore a new war did not occur. However, many believed that this was only a temporary respite.

The US Army remained in Europe and implemented a policy of containment, however, there were doubts about its ability to win the big war. After 1945, the numerical gap between the USSR and the USA increased as the Russians prepared troops and equipment for a major land conflict. But, despite all the gloomy predictions, American troops continued to serve on European lands.

Shortly after taking office, President Dwight Eisenhower realized that large-scale strategies did not coincide with the military-political reality. With extensive experience in the war in Europe, D. Eisenhower criticized the current US European strategy in terms of logic and morality. If the army is unable to repel the land offensive of the USSR, what is the significance of the number of troops in its path? Why sacrifice the lives of soldiers in a war in which they won?

New Eisenhower strategy called New Look was designed to solve both of these problems. The strategy involved the use of non-military means such as covert operations, economic pressure and information warfare. In addition to this, the doctrine of mass retaliation (Massive Retaliation) was proposed. She offered to respond to any attack in Western Europe with a crushing nuclear strike from the United States. In this concept, ground forces remained on the sidelines, and nuclear forces turned out to be the main deterrent.

Any war in Europe could turn into a nuclear one, and this, as S. Kanter notes, kept the USSR from attacking. In addition, New Look gave some new features. The financing of land forces doomed to great losses was reduced in favor of the development of air force and nuclear forces — more convenient means of deterrence. This badly affected the spirit of the army, but created a new strategy, in which it ceased to be a barrier to the path of the USSR troops to Western Europe.

In fact, D. Eisenhower did not indulge in bloody fantasies about a major non-nuclear conflict, which was proposed to prevent a nuclear threat. New Look's plan was to a certain extent a lottery, but it worked.

Later, President Eisenhower continued to criticize the idea of ​​increasing contingent in Europe. He believed that the army in this situation is not a roadblock, but an alarm - in this case, several divisions and one division could display the flag with equal effectiveness. The task of training troops in the event of a major non-nuclear conflict D. Eisenhower assigned to European countries. He argued that "the United States has the right and the obligation to insist that their NATO partners take more responsibility to protect Western Europe." S. Kanter notes that now the same ideas are being promoted by the current US President Donald Trump. Thus, Eisenhower's strategy to counteract the USSR assumed the use of allies to protect their interests. Such a strategy was realistic; nor was it based on the need to stop the Soviet offensive.

Counterweight strategy

The New Look strategy was relevant for the next two decades. Under the rule of John F. Kennedy, she was criticized, but she was not abandoned. The military situation in Europe remained stagnant, since the USSR had a tenfold advantage in active divisions stationed along the future front. This imbalance persisted until the end of the seventies, when the United States decided to use its economic and technological superiority.

In 1947, the transistor was invented, and it opened up new horizons for military equipment. By the seventies, such technologies allowed the creation of high-performance guided weapons. After Vietnam was created so-called. the doctrine of combined weapons, which, together with new samples weapons could become a real means of effectively countering the USSR.

The United States first tested guided weapons in Vietnam. Laser-guided systems made it possible to hit a target, saving ammunition, time and resources, as well as reducing collateral damage. The appearance of such weapons coincided with the development of a new military doctrine for Europe. The new Assault Breaker strategy provided for the widespread use of high-precision systems to destroy key targets of the Soviet army.

The United States believed that the Soviet offensive doctrine provides for the concentration of efforts on a single point of defense of NATO with the organization of several waves of attack. Then erupted tank the fist was to enter a breakthrough and develop an offensive. In 1982, this was answered with the AirLand Battle strategy - one of the results of the Assault Breaker program.

According to the new US plans, parity in the number of conventional weapons was impossible. Instead, it was proposed to get an advantage in quality. "Air-to-ground battle" offered active defense in the area of ​​the enemy offensive with simultaneous destruction of its equipment and objects with high-precision armament. If the advancing "waves" succeed in inflicting damage still in the rear, before reaching the front line, the offensive must fail. Thus, the development of technology for the first time allowed the United States to expect victory in a land clash with the USSR without the use of nuclear weapons. An important feature of AirLand Battle was the fact that the American side did not try to compete with the enemy in the area where he had a significant advantage.

Could the AirLand Battle strategy stop the Soviet offensive? S. Kanter believes that this question does not really matter. More importantly, the command of the Soviet army considered this possible. Marshal Nikolay Ogarkov, Chief of the General Staff in 1977-1984, believed that the new strategies of the likely adversary could disrupt the implementation of existing plans. New American developments have made obsolete the Soviet approach, based on quantitative superiority. During his tenure as chief of the General Staff, N. Ogarkov promoted ideas designed to be a response to American technology superiority. In fact, he was one of the first Soviet military theorists to recognize the changing nature of modern warfare. At the same time, the General Staff under Marshal Ogarkov understood that an offensive in Europe was extremely dangerous. Thus, the United States managed to create a new deterrent, the effectiveness of which does not depend directly on the victory over the enemy.

Lessons learned and future paths

After the collapse of the Soviet Union in the nineties, there was a reduction in American forces in Europe and the expansion of NATO, which did not help maintain a stable environment. Currently, according to S. Kanter, the United States and NATO are once again facing the specter of a land war in Europe - no matter how fantastic such a scenario may seem. Russia's armed forces are seriously different from the USSR army. With less human resources, Russia developed doctrines and technologies, primarily in the field of high-precision systems. For the first time in the history of Russia, the number of contract employees exceeded the number of draftees.

At the same time, in the 21st century, the Russian army begins to move away from the traditions of using quantity and concentrating forces on the main axes. Using regional influence and ethnic "faults", Russia has mastered the so-called. hybrid war. Thus, the author points out, mercenaries, militias and other "irregular persons" operate in Ukraine. In this strategy, servicemen perform the functions of advisers and solve the tasks of artillery support of “proxy forces” from remote positions.

Thus, Russia currently uses the developments on the concepts of New Look and AirLand Battle even more than the United States itself. She learned how to use inexpensive and low-risk ways to solve her tasks, as well as to use the inability of the Western armies to respond effectively to such threats. Any invasion of Europe will almost certainly be based on such approaches, which will reduce the effectiveness of large concentrations of enemy ground forces, suitable for work only in a “normal” conflict.

However, S. Kanter believes that new factors are unlikely to seriously change the fundamental situation of the situation. The history of the last decades clearly shows that the development of American technology, the development of countermeasures, and the transfer of part of the defense tasks to NATO allies can really have the desired effect. All these measures can lead to the same results as a simple increase in the number of troops in Europe.

If the United States intends to demonstrate its determination to defend its interests in Europe in the face of the “Russian threat”, then D. Eisenhower’s theses should be recalled. One team can solve such problems with the same efficiency as several. Russia will always have advantages in that part of Europe, which is traditionally its “backyard”, and where the terrain is optimal for rapid attacks. S. Kanter considers direct competition with such an adversary in areas where he has advantages, as stupidity.

The author believes that the United States should explore less expensive and more developed options for countering Russia before launching a simple build-up of troops in the region. Perhaps, at the same time, the American army will be able to escape from the previously described development cycle, which has been the basis of military planning for the past several decades.

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  1. +6
    April 3 2019 05: 53
    in the face of the “Russian threat”
    All of NATO’s strategy is built on that. But onet not
    you might think that we don’t need this !?
    1. +1
      April 3 2019 07: 42
      Do not take away from "it", the meaning of existence, this fixed idea of ​​theirs keeps afloat and does not allow to bite each other's throats. hi
      1. +1
        April 3 2019 07: 48
        Quote: jonht
        does not give each other throats

        hi Yes, let them bite! This is better than a joint attack on us!
        1. +4
          April 3 2019 08: 03
          So while we are, they cannot .... It's like a flock of jackals, a lion next to them in a heap, and as soon as not, they will fight for a bone ...
          1. -2
            April 3 2019 08: 30
            What does the US Army in Europe do? To defeat Russia or just hold up?

            Or maybe they would just sit quietly without jerking provocatively. You look, and no one had to be detained ...
      2. RL
        0
        April 3 2019 12: 39
        In fact, NATO was created not to protect against the "Russian threat", but to prevent the expansion of the "Soviet ideology" associated with forcing people to fall in love with socialism in the Stalinist interpretation, imposed by force, including Soviet tank wedges.
        1. 0
          5 May 2019 07: 40
          What are you))) And what year was NATO created? And in what Warsaw Pact?
    2. 0
      April 3 2019 10: 00
      "that we don’t need this," once again, feed these oglo-eaters correctly, and they are a lot to eat for free.
      1. RL
        0
        April 3 2019 13: 34
        A stupid one who gives, and a much stupider one who does not take.
        Biopsychology, however.
        And the most stupid one, one who is trying to buy friendship, support, or something like that, is trying to buy.
        And not you feed, but your leaders, for your money. Hoping that in theirs, and not your pocket will return with interest. But interest will not go to you. If at all they will.
        1. 0
          April 5 2019 12: 50
          Quote: RL
          And not you feed, but your leaders, for your money. Hoping that in theirs, and not your pocket will return with interest. But interest will not go to you. If at all they will.

          tell me, do you understand that you very clearly described US policy? Why are you making these claims to the Russians? request
    3. 0
      April 3 2019 12: 49
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      But they could not think that we do not need this!
      You are looking from the wrong side! As soon as they feel that they are ready, they will begin to "bite" until we answer ... and a war with the "aggressor" begins ...
      ... until the last European ...
      Gopnik's strategy.
    4. Qas
      0
      April 5 2019 04: 27
      In any human society, a leader and an outsider are always formed. Moreover, the latter may not appear as such, but will be appointed (determined) by the leader. So it was, it is and it will be so. This is human nature. This is in any team, starting with family relationships.
      In the world projection, the leader-state and the outsider-state are respectively determined, since the state is controlled by a person with his innate qualities. Accordingly, it is believed that humanity in the foreseeable future will strive for peacefulness is utopia.
      As long as there is a man there will be wars.
  2. +3
    April 3 2019 06: 33
    If we take the whole recent history, then it will become clear to an adequate person who is actually an achressor instead of the declared Yes But alas, outright propaganda is doing its job - the adherents of "exceptional democracy" naively believe in the purity of their thoughts, bombing Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq ...
    As a result, the peace-loving ones become the fiends of hell with predatory thoughts, and the fiends of hell become defenseless and meek sheep ....
    Paradox request wassat
    1. -4
      April 3 2019 11: 05
      Quote: Rurikovich
      bombing Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq ...
      As a result, the peace-loving become the fiends of hell

      Is it Milosevic, Gaddafi and Hussein - peace-loving? Well said.
      1. +12
        April 3 2019 12: 25
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Is it Milosevic, Gaddafi and Hussein - peace-loving?

        Compared to Americans, they’re just angels.
        1. 0
          April 3 2019 17: 24
          Quote: Spade
          Compared to Americans, they’re just angels.

          Yes good drinks
  3. +1
    April 3 2019 06: 50
    ("US Army in Europe: a roadblock, artificial bumps or something else?" - Self-critical!
    1. 0
      April 3 2019 11: 11
      Quote: Lamatinets
      ("US Army in Europe: a roadblock, artificial bumps or something else?" - Self-critical!

      Not "artificial unevenness", but a "speed bump", of course. That's more accurate.

      The proposed translation sets out some hippy nonsense, but there is also a healthy grain, of course. You can’t prepare for a half-war war. Or to prepare, or not to prepare. And a couple of battalions, no matter how strong they are, are really speed bumps. A policeman whom the tanks will move without even slowing down, if all of a sudden.
      1. +1
        April 3 2019 11: 26
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        . And a couple of battalions, no matter how strong they are, are really speed bumps.


        And what can oppose RA except BTG ?. This is her level for the past 28 years. Real.
        And yet. The attack of polite tractor drivers and miners on the battalion of the Estonian army, for example, and on the company of the American army, is completely different in the consequences of the action. You will not have to explain to the red John for a long time why it is necessary to die for Narva ....
        1. +1
          April 3 2019 11: 54
          Quote: Town Hall
          the company of the american army is completely different in consequences

          In the Baltic States and Poland, 4 multinational battalions stick out. Americans - only in Polish. The very fact of the combat effectiveness of the battalion, albeit in 1000 people with a / s from 8 states raises some doubts. To hold a gay parade is the most, many beautiful multi-colored flags, but it’s better to fight under one, it seems to me.
          Quote: Town Hall
          to a battalion of an Estonian army

          And why, excuse me, the battalion? The population of the three Baltic countries is comparable to the population of Israel. Why, in fact, is there no army there? If you don’t feel like brotherly love?
          Quote: Town Hall
          And what can oppose RA except BTG?

          Well, the forces that drove 080808 to Georgia, and even to Syria, may well be enough for the combined Canadian-Albanian-Czech-Italian-Polish-Slovak-Slovenian-Spanish battalion.
          1. +1
            April 3 2019 12: 24
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            but it’s better to fight under one, it seems to me.


            I understand your doubts. But Messrs. Hussein, Gaddafi, Milosevic will not agree with you.

            Quote: Cherry Nine
            comparable to the population of Israel.


            All the same, Israel was opposed by Arab supermen, and not Russia with its potential. I doubt that Israel would have survived with its entire army against such an enemy. It would not be easy to walk. But they would have crushed anyone. So the number of Baltic divisions does not really change the picture.

            Quote: Cherry Nine
            may well be enough.


            No doubt enough. And then what? The whole point is in this - ours are being beaten. Not some distant Balts. And John from Detroit, Johann from Munich and Giovanni from Piacenza. In your opinion, the Crimean spring would have passed so cloudlessly and would have happened at all are there asphalt cops?
            1. +2
              April 3 2019 13: 32
              Quote: Town Hall
              But Messrs. Hussein, Gaddafi, Milosevic, will not agree with you.

              It will completely agree.
              Comrade Hussein did not remove units from platoon to company, but English divisions and American corps. A division, unlike a company, can operate independently. A multinational army, with multi-colored divisions, can still work, a battalion - no.
              Old Gaddafi was removed by local Ramzans using a shovel handle.
              Milosevic was redeemed cheaply from the Serbian Medvedevs.
              Quote: Town Hall
              and not Russia with its potential. I doubt that Israel would survive with all its army against such an adversary.

              And why did you get the idea that Russia, which you have just convicted of using BTG as the maximum scale of action, can do something with a modern army, like the Israeli one, without nuclear weapons?
              Quote: Town Hall
              But they would have finished off anyway.

              Hmm, mentally change the Georgian army to the IDF.
              Quote: Town Hall
              So the number of Baltic divisions does not really change the picture.

              Even as it changes. Even one combat-ready division from the times of the Fulda corridor excludes the offensive by the forces that are available in the Northwest. The question is where to get such divisions now.
              Quote: Town Hall
              And then what? The whole point is in this, ours are being beaten.

              Again. Firstly, the joins are in Poland. The rest will be gone. How to get lost with the Dutch Boeing, for example. Deep Consern.
              And there are doubts about John.

              Secondly. If the Crimean spring showed what it is, what should not be expected from the Russian side of rational action. She is able to act to her own detriment, regardless of any long-term consequences.

              Of course, I strongly doubt that the next Russian spring will unfold in the Baltic. There are still so many countries not covered by the Russian world - Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine for the second time, Georgia for the second time, Azerbaijan. Finland, after all. However, if someone really does not want to go to their home harbor, then there are two options:
              Or we hope that the Americans will almost immediately fit in - then the army, as it were, is not needed, neither one's own nor another's. The Germans seem to have made this choice.
              Or we seriously hope that the liberators will wash themselves with blood - then we need not other combined battalions, but our own divisions, at least.
              1. 0
                April 3 2019 14: 01
                Let's order.

                Examples of Hussein and others, not about divisions / brigades. And about the abundance of flags. Coordinated and carried out despite the multi-flags. So your doubts about the combat effectiveness of these parts are still being refuted by reality.

                About BTG. At the moment, the Republic of Armenia does not have anything really deployed and combat ready. And there is no need to deploy divisions and brigades to deter it. enough of the same btg.

                About the armies. Israel itself. Therefore, it is more militarized. NATO countries do not have such a need. NATO, in principle, was created for this. Firstly, it’s immediately minus 28 or how many potential enemies are there. Secondly, each of these countries does not need to contain 28 divisions. Enough for 1-2 each. If simplified.

                The Malaysian Boeing still refers more to the Criminal Procedure Code, and not to the deployment of divisions. And the matter is moving. It is enough to read the latest statements by Masha Zakharova on the topic. "Israeli" carcass)

                As for irrationality, you can argue for a long time. Just Akella missed. The lightness with which they hushed up 080808-served poorly.

                Py.Sy. Regarding the usefulness or not of these bases. I am afraid or formal reason for 080808, which took place in Ur, for the internal audience, at least an attack on Russian MS in South Ossetia?
                1. +3
                  April 3 2019 15: 08
                  "As for the usefulness or not of these bases. Am I mistaken or a formal reason for 080808, which passed with a bang, for the internal audience, at least, an attack on Russian MS in South Ossetia?" ///
                  -----
                  I completely agree. Georgian attack on a Russian peacekeeping company
                  forces turned out to be a clear and understandable trigger for entry
                  Russia in the war with Georgia.
                  The NATO battalion in each
                  from the Baltic republics. This is a trigger: "they attacked us - the war with NATO."
                2. +1
                  April 3 2019 15: 36
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  They coordinated and carried out despite the multiflags. So your doubts about the combat effectiveness of these units are, for the time being, refuted by reality.

                  Do not refute.

                  Again. English Division - can conduct independent combat operations, coordinated at the headquarters of the group. With the Americans, EMNIP, they even had different directions of the offensive.
                  A battalion with multinational companies / platoons, and even rotating ones - window dressing. It is impossible to achieve combat coordination in such a gang-watering can.
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  About BTG

                  You are guided by the Donbass events, where we were not there. In Georgia and Syria, where we were, there were larger forces.
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  NATO, in principle, was created for this

                  NATO was created in order to bring together the German, American and British forces that were already on the CE of the theater of war, and not in the amount of 3 battalions. Actually, they almost went to Kuwait in the 91st. If such forces were available now - another conversation.
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  The client seems to have matured and negotiations are ongoing on an out-of-court settlement.

                  How did you get the idea that the Canadian-Albanian-Czech-Italian-Polish-Slovak-Slovenian-Spanish battalion, who had died the death of the brave, could not be settled out of court? Is this if he even falls the death of the brave, and does not evacuate, as happened in the same Yugoslavia?
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  The usual practice in such cases (Iranian Boeing, "Israeli" TUSHKA)

                  Iranian Boeing (Airbus, it seems) was recognized immediately. In this case, the situation is slightly different. Israeli Tu is generally a bad example - you do not know who shot him down. The investigation was not carried out, for what reasons Kuchma took the mokruha on himself - is unknown.
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  . I’m afraid, or a formal reason for 080808, which took place in Ur, for the internal audience, at least, an attack on Russian MS in South Ossetia?

                  Are you saying that 3 thousand Europeans in these battalions are ordinary suicide bombers? Quite possible. But there is no honor in this.
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  This is a trigger: "they attacked us - the war with NATO."

                  That is, pieces of paper are no longer enough, actually unarmed hostages are needed? Perfectly.

                  McCain, they said, once demanded a plane. I wanted to fly to Crimea with a group of senators, to figure out what kind of green men appeared. Obama did not agree. What is better for Estonians? By the fact that Bush gave them guarantees, and not Clinton, like Ukraine?
                  1. 0
                    April 3 2019 15: 58
                    You write as if the enemy is already at the gate)

                    There is no need to deploy divisions near Narva at the moment. It’s enough to indicate that jokes with tractor drivers and miners will no longer pass. For this, deployed battalions are more than enough. There will be irrational movements, there will be brigades. In Iraq, the British divisions did not sit in the trenches for decades. Appeared when the situation required.

                    I understand the differences in all these cases of the downing of passenger aircraft. But nevertheless, all these cases are not a reason for war. Although criminal, they are mistakes. Until the opposite has been proved. And they are regulated by investigative actions and courts, and not by the General Staff.

                    Article 5 is certainly a convincing argument. But for public opinion, it may not be enough. More visual motives are required. And even lightly armed battalions often help to increase the level of rationality. The physical presence of a policeman in the square is often a good reason not to row.

                    As far as I know, in South Ossetia they gathered around the world a BTG string. By the way, this was the reason for state reforms and the transition to brigades. When it turned out that everything that can raise regiments and divisions that are really combat-ready on alert is these BTGs.
                    And in Syria the same picture. And the planes and ground-hodgepodge from different parts
                    1. +1
                      April 3 2019 16: 52
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      There is no need to deploy divisions near Narva, as it were at the moment

                      So they are not, that's just a joke. Neither near Narva, nor even in his native Alabam. And there will be neither tomorrow, nor in a year.
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      It’s enough to indicate that jokes with tractor drivers and miners will no longer pass.

                      For this, battalions are not required. It is required that Narin Akhmetov not start his own in Narva. This is a police question, not a military one. And, given the recent adventures of the mayor of Riga, he decided so-so.
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      there will be brigades

                      Where from?
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      In the same Iraq, British divisions did not sit in the trenches for decades. They appeared when the situation demanded.

                      In the 91st, the Allies caught up to nearly a million snouts, including the 7th American Corps from Germany. That is, they did not sit in the trenches of Kuwait, but as a group with a single command they existed for many years.
                      Not sure what the situation is with the American corps?

                      Once again. The question was not that there was much, but then. The question was, why do you need little, but now? For an alarm?
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      And still regulated by investigative actions and courts

                      Have you fallen from the sky? There were no ships for the cases you listed. Three locksmiths were judged by Lockerbie.
                      The political question should not be replaced by a legal one. It is impossible to establish legal guilt in a political issue. According to MH-17, the very fact of negotiations with Putin’s representatives means that we are talking about a sup for the murder of another’s slaves. The maximum of switchmen.
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      More visual motives required.

                      That is, these soldiers were sent as pigs for slaughter, for CNN pictures? And they say disgusting liberals about Comrade Stalin.
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      When it turned out that everything that could really raise alert combat-ready regiments and divisions was these BTGs.

                      You mean that in addition to the cartoon ones, the great geopolitics actually have no troops? It is possible, but is it possible to count on this with military planning?
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      And in Syria the same picture. And the planes and ground-hodgepodge from different parts

                      And what about Syria? There are practically no regulars.
                      1. 0
                        April 3 2019 17: 25
                        I probably missed the moment when NATO and its constituent countries disbanded their armed forces. In your opinion, it turns out that there are no brigades or divisions already in all these countries. Only decorative prefabricated platoons for gay parades remain.


                        The political issue with responsibility for the downed Boeing has long been resolved. Look at the list of sanctions that Russia received after July 14. The legal aspect is in the process. There will be an investigation and there will be full names. The criminal process is conducted in relation to specific names and always, and not in relation to the state. nobody will start a strike and World War 3 for an accidentally shot down airplane.

                        In military planning, real forces are taken into account. And because the geopolitician began to call his armies again armies, their combat effectiveness, as well as the qualitative and quantitative composition, has not changed. There will be more generals with servants. But not tanks and planes.

                        And we should not forget about the existing contracts.
                        mutual Russia / NATO to limit the deployment of conventional forces in Europe
                      2. +1
                        April 3 2019 18: 08
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        I probably missed the moment when NATO and its constituent countries disbanded their armed forces.

                        Strange, these are quite famous events. The 7th American Corps from Germany (disbanded in 92nd), (the 5th Corps from the beloved Fulda corridor did not go to Iraq, but disbanded in 2003), the 1st British Panzer from there participated in the Desert Bura in the desert ( disbanded in the 92nd, created anew by renaming the 4th Panzer), as well as the expeditionary forces of the ILC and the 18th Airborne Corps (still exist).

                        The Americans have 11 divisions (including 1 mountain and 2 airborne). The rest have 2-3.

                        Brigades yes, there is. One piece. Located in six countries. Just 6 battalions in the American brigade.
                        Is a mockery. I would say it is humiliating for Russia.

                        Quote: Town Hall
                        There were only decorative prefabricated platoons for gay parades.

                        Primarily. Unfortunately.

                        Quote: Town Hall
                        The political issue with responsibility for the downed Boeing has long been resolved

                        Ага.
                        Hush up.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        See the list of sanctions that Russia received after July 14.

                        Kuram ridicule. They did almost all the work themselves, the Russian economy has stagnated since 2008.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        There is an investigation and there will be a full name

                        Switchmen.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Criminal proceedings are always conducted against specific names, and not against the state.

                        The process in relation to specific does not soar. Well, at least ask Lugovoi’s deputy, or Petrov and Bashirov.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        No one will start a missile-nuclear strike and the 3rd world strike for an accidentally shot down airplane.

                        Yes, great logic. This is not a reason for the Netherlands to make an atomic bomb and gasp around Moscow, so you don’t need to do anything at all. Hello to the consolidated battalion.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        again, the armies, their combat effectiveness, as well as the qualitative and quantitative composition has not changed

                        You shouldn’t underestimate geopolitics in vain. On the combined gay battalion and the nukers of Ramzan with cooks may be enough.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        And we should not forget about the existing contracts.
                        mutual Russia / NATO to limit the deployment of conventional forces in Europe

                        They made fun. Remember another friendship treaty with Ukraine.
                      3. 0
                        April 3 2019 18: 24
                        Very High Readiness Joint Task Force


                        In 5 days, up to 3 land brigades are deployed with units of aviation, artillery, naval and missile defense support totaling 40.000 people.

                        More than enough for the first wave of nukers)
                      4. +2
                        April 4 2019 06: 41
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Very High Readiness Joint Task Force

                        This is not 40 thousand people. This is one airmobile brigade of 5 thousand snouts. The fact that someone else can be subordinate to it does not mean that this someone else can be deployed at the same time.

                        What is more important, what kind of people are these, what are they armed with? Military police, in fact. Even the Airborne Forces are heavier. Throw another 5 thousand hostages?

                        And again. I consider NATO’s manner of creating multinational brigades to be extremely harmful. The team is not the level at which this is permissible.

                        Yes, and give these forces under the leadership of Germany. The current Germans are warriors worse than the old Romanians.
                      5. 0
                        April 4 2019 08: 33
                        NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that over the past three years, the Alliance has tripled the composition of its rapid reaction forces. The decision to scale up the composition was made after the crisis in Ukraine in 2014.

                        “We have tripled the composition of the quick reaction forces, their number has been brought up to 40 thousand people, and 5 thousand people are ready to take up combat positions in a few days”


                        Plus, there’s something about 30 × 4 by the 20th year. 30 battalions + 30 squadrons + 30 ships in 30 days.

                        And where are the present Germans so badly conquered that they have received such a negative assessment on your part? And compared with whom the old Romanians fought so poorly? With the Red Army 41-42 years? Or the Anglo French 40 years?
                      6. +1
                        April 4 2019 09: 55
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        more than 5 thousand people are ready to take up combat positions in a few days

                        And the rest - for thirty days, it seems? At the same time, the reforms that Stoltenberg speaks of are the reassignment of units. Rearrangement of beds.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Plus there is something about 30 × 4 to 20mu

                        Yeah. If 30 esc aircraft is serious, then 30 battalions is ridiculous. Battalions do not fight with regulars. Movers quick response. Well, the maximum is a quick reaction military police.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        And where are the present Germans so badly conquered that they have received such a negative assessment on your part? And compared with whom the old Romanians fought so poorly?

                        Ursula von der Leyen is known as the author of the initiative to “combat” child pornography on the web by entering blank pages in front of forbidden material. ... The essence of the law was that secret lists of prohibited materials compiled by the German Federal Criminal Police Office are sent out daily to providers who must show the user a Stop sign if they try to open a page that has been blacklisted. But even after seeing such a sign, the user could still get to the requested site, simply by making another click.

                        The next morning, two gentlemen in high winter Romanian hats are standing in front of me. These are the commanders of two Romanian companies subordinate to me. A whole cloud of cologne envelops them. Despite their mustache, they look pretty dull. The features of their tanned faces with puffy shaved cheeks are vague. The uniforms are neat and reminiscent of either winter sports, or fife-o-cloc or Piccadilly: the cut is perfect, they sit like gloves, you can immediately see that they were sewn by fashionable Bucharest tailors. Sheepskin coats are on top of the uniforms. After I saw demoralized, running Romanian units in the great bend of the Don, their view amazes me. Such well-fed and well-dressed reinforcements, I did not expect. So, then, two companies. In each of 120 people. One thing [206] alone is not clear to me - the statement of both officers that their units are not fit for work due to poor nutrition and exhaustion. Judging by the commanders, something does not look like it is necessary to look at the soldiers yourself. First of all, it is necessary to indicate to them the area of ​​the ravine, stretching from the "Flower Pot" to the White Houses. Berger will show them. Having given the order for the second half of the day and promised to take my battalion doctor with me to help the wounded and sick, I end the conversation with both companies.
                        After eating, along with the doctor and Birch I hit the road. Distance from half a kilometer, we go on foot. A few minutes later we go down the slope of the cliff and now we are standing among the Romanians. All around, emaciated soldiers snooping around like shadows, exhausted, tired, unshaven, overgrown with dirt. Worn uniforms, overcoats too. Bandages on the heads, legs and arms are found at every step - the doctor's face expresses despair. Everywhere, despite their obvious physical weakness, they work, build residential dugouts, ring saws, and fly axes.
                        ...
                        We turn around the corner, and I stop dead in my tracks. I don’t believe my eyes: in front of me is a carefully built field kitchen, which is protected from the wind from the sides by boardwalks and covered with wooden walls, and above, captain Popescu himself sits up and rolls his sleeves up to his elbows and stirs soup with a rolling pin in his sweat.
                        There is no trace of the elegance that struck me in the morning. Only the cheeky face remained the same - however, it is not surprising when you can climb into the soldiers' bowlers. Popescu was so carried away by his cooking that he notices us only when we come close to the boiler.

                        Do you think these two texts are about different things?
                      7. 0
                        April 4 2019 10: 15
                        Read about NRF.

                        30 battalions are 30 people brought into brigades. Or 000 so beloved full-fledged army corps. With tanks, artillery, logistics and rear services. Indeed, multinational, and not racially correct, but this is already rich ... as they say.
                        Explain why civilian politicians are appointed ministers of defense in parliamentary countries, I think it’s not worth it. You know. And it has nothing to do with the combat effectiveness of the army.

                        About the quotes that you brought, you can find similar for any army of any period. It's like a photo of a colony of prisoners to exhibit in order to prove something with their appearance. The prisoners of all armies look the same. But they are not relevant. No more than an "artistic" trick
                      8. +2
                        April 4 2019 11: 13
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        30 battalions is 30 .000 people in brigades.

                        I have already written that the "combined brigade" is a ceremonial unit. 6 battalions are not equal to one brigade.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Or 1 so beloved full-fledged army corps

                        30 battalions are not even 5 brigades, not like the corps.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        With tanks, artillery, logistics and rear.

                        I would like to know more about tanks and artillery in the NRF, if possible.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Indeed, multinational, and not racially correct, but that is already ... what is rich as they say.

                        We pretend that we are doing something. Again. 30-30-30-30 in the part of the ground - this situational reassignment of existing national forces. If you remove the chatter, NATO expanded one of the headquarters from the headquarters of 20 battalions to the headquarters of 50 battalions, modular combat units, God forgive me (why do you need the headquarters of 50 battalions, what kind of madness? Who even thought up measuring the armed forces with dozens of battalions instead of divisions, did they shoot him ? But they answered the Russian aggression). Everything, nothing more.
                        This company may represent military force in some new Olive branch, where company or battalion BGs are the maximum unit that can be used against an irregular adversary. Then yes, then very good.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        And this has nothing to do with the combat effectiveness of the army.

                        Excuse me, but for me the very fact of the fight against X on the Internet is comprehensively characterized by politics. I admit that this is a taste question.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        About the quotes that you brought, you can find similar ones for any army of any period

                        Find about the Wehrmacht 42-43 years, if not difficult.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Prisoners of all armies look the same.

                        What does the prisoners have to do with it? Or is it the Romanian army - a captive army?
                      9. 0
                        April 4 2019 11: 41
                        In appearance and software of soldiers and officers of different armies during the war, the widest array of materials. From "trench truth" to Beevor.

                        I’m trying to understand why you got the idea that NATO’s rapid reaction forces are going to use battalion.

                        On tanks and artillery. As an example. That very brigade "spearhead" from Shetsin, which you called a lightly armed airborne assault. Its basis-371 - a tank battalion of the Bundeswehr. 51 tank with personal belongings


                        NATO's Multinational Corps Northeast (MNC NE). The main base is located in Szczecin, Poland.
                        The base of the corps was the First Bundeswehr Panzer Division (Germany), the Danish Mechanized Division and the 12th Infantry Division (Poland)

                        Case Composition:

                        Danish Division

                        Communications battalion (headquarters of the support and management division)
                        Three Mechanized Brigades
                        Armored Battalion
                        Reconnaissance battalion
                        Anti-tank helicopter company
                        Patrol Coy (Long range / light recce)
                        Artillery Division
                        - three artillery battalions
                        - rocket battery
                        14th anti-aircraft missile battalion
                        3rd Engineering Battalion
                        Rota EW
                        Logistics Battalion
                        Transport company
                        Company of military police

                        12th Infantry Division (Poland)

                        12th Command Battalion
                        6th Armored Cavalry Brigade
                        12-I mechanized brigade
                        2nd mixed artillery regiment
                        3rd anti-aircraft regiment
                        12th Reconnaissance Battalion

                      10. +1
                        April 4 2019 12: 00
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        I’m trying to understand why you got the idea that NATO’s rapid reaction forces are going to use battalion.

                        Still porotno and platoon. Because they consist of platoons, companies and battalions, not higher. Your captain is obvious.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        In appearance and equipment of soldiers and officers

                        You see, you misunderstood the quote. It was not about appearance, but about the relationship of soldiers and officers. To the question, what are bad Romanians.
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Its base is 371 - the Bundeswehr tank battalion. 51 tank with tricks

                        https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzergrenadierbataillon_371
                        And there are exactly 51 tanks, and even with tricks?
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        You called lightly armed airborne

                        I called her military police and aerial movers. Airborne with better heavy equipment.
                      11. 0
                        April 4 2019 12: 46
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Read about NRF.

                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Multinational Corps Northeast, MNC NE

                        That is, on NRF the question is removed?
                      12. 0
                        April 4 2019 15: 48
                        No, I just brought to you that your theory about individual battalions is just your theory. In reality, there are brigades and divisions and corps. Armed with heavy equipment and artillery as well.


                        And when they talk about 30 battalions, this should not be taken literally. The largest countries will provide full-fledged brigades of 3-5 battles. Other smaller ones, one national battalion each, which will be included in the brigades. All these matters are worked out during exercises, despite your skepticism.

                        30 squadrons and 30 ships, too, no one is going to use one by the way.
                      13. 0
                        April 4 2019 15: 52
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        In reality, there are brinades and divisions and corps, armed, including with heavy equipment and artillery.


                        And when they talk about 30 battalions, this should not be taken literally. The largest countries will provide worthy brigades of 3-5 battalions.

                        But these are not mutually exclusive paragraphs? Tell her rather, what kind of divisions are there and what kind of corps are there? Or will MNC NE go for the case?
                      14. 0
                        April 4 2019 16: 07
                        30 + 30 + 30 in 30 days - the magic of numbers, as it were. Or 4 × 30.


                        Does anyone have a better division and corps?). NATO, and the United States including switched to a brigade structure. This is not news. The division and corps management were preserved only as organizational staff points
                      15. 0
                        April 4 2019 16: 35
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Does anyone have a better division and corps?

                        Everyone except NATO)))))
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        switched to a brigade structure. This is not news

                        But they have never fought against this structure. In Liberty for Iraq, 6 divisions participated, including as part of the 5th Corps mentioned, liquidated in 2013.

                        Again. There are several complaints:
                        1. The organization of modern Western forces considers a brigade as a unit capable of independent action. This is true only in a relatively simple environment.
                        2. NATO, unlike the US Army, is completing its forces with multinational units, not even brigades in size, but from a battalion or less. This is crazy, such forces are not able to conduct hostilities. As far as I know, it is not going to form any full-fledged corps of permanent personnel from 30-30-30-30 NATO.
          2. 0
            April 5 2019 00: 05
            The population of the three Baltic countries is comparable to the population of Israel. Why, in fact, is there no army there?

            Because there is SOMEONE to serve there. The average age of the population is 42-45 years. The youth are leaving. Besides, in Latvia 35% of "non-citizens", in Estonia 15%. This is from the total number of residents. "NON-CITIZENS" DO NOT SERVE IN THE ARMY. According to the constitution. And they will not serve, to say the least .... So it is not comparable with Israel at all!
            1. +2
              April 5 2019 00: 31
              Quote: alsoclean
              So it’s not comparable with Israel at all!

              You are right, the Baltic states have their own problems.

              OK, cut the crucian. Of the 3 Israeli districts we take the most nosed, southern. 4 divisions (including one active, one reserve, 2 territorial). Where are they in the Baltic states?
              1. 0
                April 6 2019 14: 43
                Where are they in the Baltic states?

                In the heads who have lost a sense of reality, rulers. For there are no people, no money, no desire of the population ............
                1. +2
                  April 6 2019 14: 55
                  Quote: alsoclean
                  For there are no people, no money, no desire of the population ...

                  Let's just say there are illusions that when they joined NATO, these countries bought insurance for themselves. The fact that the United States once guaranteed their independence - in the years 40-91 was quickly forgotten. And insurance yes, insurance will be paid to the heirs. May be.
                  1. 0
                    April 6 2019 15: 01
                    "Maybe" is a piquant phrase. It says a lot ...)) There is also a similar one: "To promise is not to marry!"
  4. +1
    April 3 2019 07: 25
    Alliances make sense with a defensive strategy. Offensive initiatives for such an alliance are fiction. After the death of the Internal Affairs Department, Europe is characterized by a feverish expansion of NATO, gathering under its banner not only the former "allies" of the USSR, but also its former republics, and the fragments of Yugoslavia. Seen from the outside, and according to Russia's common sense, it makes no sense to seize someone, and even more so to advance towards NATO. Russia has its own priority tasks, and there is no place for war with anyone. The situation with the Crimea allows, as it were, to impose aggressiveness on Russia, but anyone who lived in the USSR understands. Crimea was Russian, and it cannot be otherwise. Khrushchev's quirks were expensive. And that is all. There will be no other such excesses. But for the West to have such a bogey "aggressive Russia" is an objective necessity. It allows them to pursue certain policies that are beneficial only to them.
  5. 0
    April 3 2019 07: 37
    The American ground forces in Europe are "speed bumps" and perform the function of the occupation forces
  6. +2
    April 3 2019 08: 06
    Any invasion of Europe will almost certainly be based on such approaches,
    Almost the entire history of Europe invaded Russia, and not vice versa. However, Europe is silent about this and speak only of a potential Russian invasion of Europe.
  7. +1
    April 3 2019 08: 45
    At the moment in Europe, in principle, there are no assembled groups capable of "pushing back" in defense. Offensive actions should be kept silent altogether. Hope for an aviation component with an equal adversary is a mistake. So a "non-military" confrontation program is already being implemented. NATO forces in Europe are quite enough for a war of the "Serbian" type. Oversight functions are the main goal of the NATO Armed Forces. In fact, with the logistics worked out during the exercises, it costs us nothing to organize a collapse in the theater of operations. By quickly (and by NATO standards, instantly) building up groupings in the West, we will naturally impale all communications in Europe and the Atlantic, since the enemy will "gather" by orders of magnitude longer than we do. So yes, NATO is powerless from the present "liberation" operation. The reciprocal concentration of forces on the alleged accumulation of NATO in the Baltic States and Poland will also overtake their process at times and again the guys will face the possibility of a pogrom on the march. So it will be hard for them to attack.
  8. -1
    April 3 2019 09: 43
    State forces in Europe are an instrument of influence on the policy of vassals and their milking. Well, with your hands and forces of the states, to draw Europe into the war with us for the benefit of the states. And then a couple of mouths lie quietly and now the reason for the states will join the war when the opponents exhaust each other, then the states come and finally solve the question of domination over the globe and a very small blood and inexpensive because there is no one to resist and on both sides transferred their values ​​to the states.
  9. +5
    April 3 2019 10: 03
    pf, you can stop any advance of the Russian troops simply by throwing sms about blocking bank deposits in the American administration’s bank of Russia, then all the aggression will turn off
    1. -3
      April 3 2019 10: 27
      Quote: viktorish007
      pf, you can stop any progress of the Russian troops simply by throwing sms about blocking bank deposits in the American bank of the Russian administration

      Don't you think that statements of this type are outdated even during the discussions in the United States about the imposition of sanctions under the Magnitsky Act? 8))))
      1. +4
        April 3 2019 11: 41
        do you mean Magnitsky’s clowning? this is a media product exclusively for the American market, read the originals, over the hill only the lazy did not promote on this clowning
        until it was heard about the arrest of at least 2-3 trillion dollars, to say that the russisho-oligarch-official shoblu was taken seriously is ridiculous, while all the cries are exclusively media, without consequences for the main holders of bags with dough

        from the last only Deripisk, but there he was told "to the foot" and he immediately dragged a bunch of aluminum factory privatized from the people at the feet of his bosses in Philadelphia and city
        1. -1
          April 3 2019 12: 15
          Quote: viktorish007
          until it was heard about the arrest of at least 2-3 trillion dollars

          8)))))
          Do you still think that after such lengthy conversations about "personal sanctions" our officials did not have the brains to withdraw their funds from the blow ???
          That's why there are no these arrests of trilliards, there is nothing to arrest 8)))

          Quote: viktorish007
          from the last only

          Yeah ... the most "administrator of Russia".
          But this is another stupid action of the Americans. In fact, a shot in the second leg. Having lost the lever of influence on the bureaucracy, they decided in the same way to destroy another lever, the influence on large entrepreneurs. Deripaska was practically their agent of influence, an ardent supporter of the integration of the Russian economy into the world. And that’s why it turned out to be especially vulnerable
  10. 0
    April 3 2019 10: 10
    Eisenhower was right ...
    considering the current situation, it can be noted ... Russia is not going to attack anyone ... and any threat of military invasion or territorial integrity will escalate into a nuclear conflict ... and it can only be wondered if it will be limited or global ...
  11. +10
    April 3 2019 11: 04
    Last night I watched on TV the next talk show, where Russians (and surprisingly culturally) but Russian-speaking Americans (sort of even diplomats) butted. 4 vs 4. Americans, as children, explained that Russia was not split into several parts and did not destroy economically just because they could not control a vast territory and were afraid of China’s gain at our expense. The Russians, recalling trained parrots, shouted slogans about nuclear parity and independent politics, to which the Americans smiled indulgently. The impressions remained contradictory ... The hall’s support and the host’s obvious support didn’t brighten up the impression ... This program did not add pride for the country to me. The rhetoric of the Americans was impressive. So say strong people. So they communicated with them in the USSR. They didn’t express concern, they didn’t poke with clauses of treaties and agreements, with the rule of law, but simply said: No, it won’t, because we have interest here. Like Gromyko. There will be no such rhetoric while officials' children live and study in NATO countries. And the army is a continuation of politics, its instrument.
    1. +5
      April 3 2019 11: 46
      people with a pierced nightingale head do not understand that the assets of all our bureaucratic oligarchs are under the complete control of Washington-London, and do not understand that the difference between a colonial administration somewhere in India during the 18th century and "our" administration is minus infinity,

      here it’s enough to take read something about the colonialism of the last century before last and it will immediately catch your eye that we all have one to one, just a carbon copy, very little has changed, only now we are also a protectorate colony
  12. -1
    April 3 2019 14: 24
    Russia is being corrupted from within and from above. The American army in Europe is a "reserve hero".
  13. +1
    April 3 2019 15: 09
    Any war in Europe could turn into a nuclear one, and this, as S. Kanter notes, kept the USSR from attack.
    ----------------------------
    Complete nonsense. No one was going to attack them. And they knew it very well. As a militaristic propaganda hutspa I can only consider such fictions.
    1. +2
      April 3 2019 16: 58
      Quote: Altona
      Complete nonsense. Nobody was going to attack them.

      The military situation in Europe remained stagnant, since the USSR had a ten-fold advantage in active divisions stationed along the future front.

      Apparently, the USSR was a very shy country.
  14. 0
    April 3 2019 21: 17
    Perhaps, at the same time, the American army will be able to break out of the previously described development cycle, which has been the basis of military planning over the past few decades.

    I hope no. A third path has emerged, the most unprofitable, no-neglective - Russia now needs to be caught up. And this business is expensive, nervous and prestigious.
  15. 0
    April 4 2019 16: 52
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    But they have never fought against this structure. 6 divisions participated in Liberty for Iraq



    And nevertheless, it was precisely according to the results of experience, including this campaign, that they decided to switch to a brigade structure as the most suitable reality.
    http://pentagonus.ru/publ/vzgljady_komandovanija_sukhoputnykh_vojsk_ssha_na_reorganizaciju_boevykh_brigad_2016/3-1-0-2675
  16. 0
    April 4 2019 16: 59
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    NATO, as far as I know, is not going to form a full-fledged permanent corps of 30-30-30-30 NATO.


    There are no corps, they are not going to. Of these 30 battalions, about a dozen brigades are going to be created. So they are multinational, and what should they be if there are 29 countries. And by the way, not all are multinational. Or rather not quite multinational). There will be an Italian (French, English, German, Polish) brigade with a backbone of 2-3 national battles, which will be given 1-2 battalions of conditional Czech Republic or Holland, etc.
  17. 0
    April 4 2019 19: 23
    Such a long article, for discussing the idiotic question "are the forces in Europe capable of defeating Russia or are they only going to delay its advance?" - it seems that we do not live in the 19th century to discuss such a question laughing
  18. -2
    12 June 2019 08: 36
    They will be detained like Napoleon or Hitler with the "first" attack right up to Moscow