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Aliyev and Pashinyan on the banks of the Danube discussed the problem of Karabakh

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Information and analytical portal "Military Review" under the heading "Friday Fans Club" proposes to discuss today's meeting, which for some reason is not widely spoken in our country. Even on major federal channels, if something is said about it, then in passing. And the topic is burning. And she, like the meeting itself, could have been discussed at a large round table. However, the reason for the meeting to be friendly, on the basis of modern political realities, can not be called.


Aliyev and Pashinyan on the banks of the Danube discussed the problem of Karabakh


So, today in Vienna, on the banks of the Danube, at the foot of the Alps, there are President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev and Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan. The round table is absent, but the members of the delegation in the meeting room are still located in a “circle”.

The theme of the negotiation process is the settlement of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. The fact that Baku and Yerevan do not go beyond the possibility of direct negotiations suggests that there are points of contact. However, while these points are very poorly visible for a lot of mutual demands and accusations. At least, poorly viewed earlier.

In addition to the heads of state, the participants in the talks include heads of foreign affairs agencies and representatives of the OSCE, including the plenipotentiary representative of the head of the organization.

The following fact attracted attention: for the first time in a long time, the heads of the republics spoke in private - without members of the delegation and the chambers. It is noteworthy that the one-on-one conversation lasted almost twice as long as the conversation in the format of delegations - about one and a half hours. This means that the head of Armenia and Azerbaijan has a certain kind of interest in the one-on-one possibility. Against the background of the fact that this is generally the first official meeting of Pashinyan and Aliyev, we can talk about the possible continuation of the dialogue.

Another fact that draws attention to itself: the major Azerbaijani and Armenian media today come out with very restrained materials, in contrast to the usual double-edged interpretations of this nature such as “Azerbaijanis are to blame for everything” and “Armenians are to blame for everything”. And this is also an indicator. To look around and think, is an option not only for politicians, but also for those who cover their work and contacts for the public.

Yes, they did not seem to drink a glass of wine. On the kebab "did not go."

But the main thing here is not to interfere, not to urge on a "breakthrough." Quickly, as you know, only cats ...

Both leaders are understanding, aware of the fact that they can go to peace step by step without excessive fever. And peace in the Caucasus is one of the most important guarantees of stability in Southern Europe, as well as in a strategically important region like Asia Minor. It is necessary to understand that detractors are more than enough. Therefore, it is important for the leaders of the two republics not to succumb to those slogans of provocateurs (including from internal political ones), which will again lead to escalation and bloodshed.

Friends, agree already. Honestly, I would very much like to have at least one problem in this world become less.
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  1. The black
    The black 29 March 2019 16: 58
    +4
    In any case, the fact of negotiations is good. When politicians say guns are silent.
    1. cniza
      cniza 29 March 2019 17: 03
      +3
      May God grant them patience and wisdom.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 29 March 2019 17: 10
        +1
        For both of them, compromises must be made. I wish the negotiation process good luck. If luck may be related to politics. hi
        1. cniza
          cniza 29 March 2019 17: 14
          +1
          If the third did not intervene (USA, Turkey, Iran), the process would move much faster.
          1. Mgero34
            Mgero34 29 March 2019 18: 06
            -1
            4- i vi zabili nazvat, Rassiya. Ne slushayte propagande, rassiya igral i igraet klyuchevoyu rol v uregulirovani konflikta, No V etot raz i Rassiya ne zainteresovana v uregulirovani konflikta, tak kak dve respubliki kak marionetki, v asobennosti Armeniya. Many chevo est No ne vse gavaryat. No Russia konkretno toje Tam vodu mutit chtobi ribku lovit.
            1. volodimer
              volodimer 29 March 2019 18: 33
              +2
              I read it with difficulty, but I understood you, Russia is stirring up water, and it does not allow to resolve the conflict, without it everyone would have decided for a long time ... Well, who would doubt it ...
              1. marshes
                marshes 29 March 2019 18: 54
                +2
                Quote: volodimer
                I read it with difficulty, but I understood you

                Zvizdets. They have computers and laptops with a Latin layout, they can no longer write in Russian, now they have left the sphere of influence of Russian news. And it is not possible to influence the brain with their own propaganda.
                Pretty clever.
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 29 March 2019 19: 21
                  0
                  Quote: marshes
                  Quote: volodimer
                  I read it with difficulty, but I understood you

                  Zvizdets. They have computers and laptops with a Latin layout, they can no longer write in Russian, now they have left the sphere of influence of Russian news. And it is not possible to influence the brain with their own propaganda.
                  Pretty clever.

                  Our new president announced his priority in studying Kazakh and Russian in schools in Kazakhstan, as I understand trilingualism is canceled in the process, again, a new education reform? By the way, he is divorced and soon goes to the neighboring president, who is also divorced, the club can be organized by divorced presidents. Although for me it’s not good that a divorced person at the head of state is an example of youth, a strong family is one of the pillars of the state.
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 29 March 2019 19: 59
                    +1
                    Are you upset or happy?
                    1. Semurg
                      Semurg 29 March 2019 20: 32
                      0
                      Quote: dr.star75
                      Are you upset or happy?

                      Why?
                      1. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 20: 43
                        +1
                        A meeting of two divorces
                      2. Semurg
                        Semurg 30 March 2019 05: 48
                        0
                        Quote: dr.star75
                        A meeting of two divorces

                        The presidents of the two neighboring countries need to meet, as there are many issues that need to be discussed and resolved, but this upsets
                        Quote: Semurg
                        it’s not good that a divorced person at the head of state is an example of youth, a strong family is one of the pillars of the state.
                  2. Polite Moose
                    Polite Moose 29 March 2019 22: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: Semurg
                    it’s not good that a divorced person at the head of state

                    And, if you look at it from the other side, then nobody irrigates the Muscovite. Do not distract from thoughts of people's happiness. And the mother-in-law on the eve of any summit doesn’t hide for a visit.
                    Do you remember, we had a couple of family members at the head of the state? One was married to Rais, the other to Nain. Hmm. For me, the divorced president is better. With a pronounced hetero-orientation. It is quite suitable as an example for modern youth.
                2. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 29 March 2019 22: 09
                  +1
                  How is your spring hunt?
            2. Volodin
              Volodin 29 March 2019 18: 51
              +5
              Kogda pishesh iz Germanii - ono, konechno vidnee, aga ...
              When you write from Germany, it is, of course, clearer - Russia is to blame, who else ... And you come to Armenia and start working in your country, and not look for where it is warmer for ... uh-uh, well you understood - if you are Mgero, and not "the daughter of an Armenian officer", who is not so simple
            3. TAOW
              TAOW 29 March 2019 22: 53
              +1
              I put a plus
            4. APASUS
              APASUS 29 March 2019 23: 07
              0
              Quote: Mgero34
              raz i Rassiya ne zainteresovana v uregulirovani konflikta,

              And what is the interest of Russia, are you really the war of Baku and Yerevan?
              Reveal the secret of manipulation, otherwise I'm just lost ...........
              1. sir_obs
                sir_obs 30 March 2019 00: 01
                0
                Probably the fact that even under Peter I conquered Yerevan from the Ottomans
                1. wmn5500
                  wmn5500 30 March 2019 00: 15
                  +3
                  Poor knowledge of the history of his fatherland. Under Peter Erivan was not conquered.
                  1. Vladimir 5
                    Vladimir 5 30 March 2019 22: 44
                    0
                    Of course, the principle: "divide and conquer" is not abolished and it works in the world. Russia, as a strategic neighbor, maintained tension, but also did not allow a major war to break out. For example, stopping the last Azerbaijani offensive .. Russia may leave, then Turkey will come, and the Armenians will not get better ... And again Russia will be to blame ... N. Pashinyan is unlikely to convince I. Aliyev to give N. Karabakh, - bargain and again for weapons ... Here Russia needs to step aside, let them sort it out as they want, if only Turkey will allow ...
          2. TAOW
            TAOW 29 March 2019 22: 52
            0
            I would add Russia.
    2. Warrior-80
      Warrior-80 30 March 2019 04: 24
      0
      These politicians do not solve anything, these are Setelite countries and are subject to the influence of others, they themselves will not be able to agree, the big brothers will decide. I never wondered why the President of Belgium rides a bicycle and Russia and the USA in armored limousines
  2. Penalty
    Penalty 29 March 2019 17: 00
    -1
    Well done, it’s better than killing each other ... Russia probably also discussed how to squeeze us out quietly ..? Admit it, we do not give you a full fight. wink
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 29 March 2019 18: 13
      +3
      All conflicts in the territories of the former USSR have a solution key (any of which can be resolved within three to six months) and this key is in the pocket of the Russian Federation. But it does not heed the key and does not solve the problem. The reason is simple, why the Russian Federation does this, and you can understand actions if viewed from the perspective of Russia. And the perspective of the view is such that you cannot give the opportunity to fight these territories, since this is fraught with the victory of one over the other and this will lead to a violation of the geopolitical balance in the southern underbelly. But there is a moment, there is a conflict, there is an aggressor Armenia with land claims that have no legal or historical foundations; there is an injured party to Azerbaijan, since all military operations of the nineties were carried out in the territories of Azerbaijan with all the ensuing consequences. Azerbaijan is obliged, it has the right to return what Armenian gangs took away by violence in the early nineties and the Armenian army. At the insistence of the Russian Federation in 1994, a temporary truce was concluded, with the hope that the Russian Federation will soon help in a peaceful settlement. II. A lot of time has passed and hope is melting that the Russian Federation will nevertheless take a serious step to solve this problem. I don’t know how to end and whether the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan will end, but I see that Russia acts as a 19th century pattern in our region, and the courtyard of the 21st century. And the patterns drew the borders of the empire and created an outpost with the composition of Armenians brought from Iran and the Ottoman Empire. Despite the fact that the Tsar Empire and the USSR have long been gone, the Russian Federation has not changed anything in the concept of the 19th century approach in our territories, there are no intentions ( for now) adapt or change at the call of the 21st century. The Russian Federation is late in adapting the concepts of the approach in a very fast-changing world and geopolitical players use it to the fullest.
      1. wmn5500
        wmn5500 29 March 2019 18: 55
        +1
        The principle of "divide and conquer" works.
      2. volodimer
        volodimer 29 March 2019 19: 06
        +1
        Oh handsome men, "the Armenian gangs, the injured party Azerbaijan" ... And guilty Russia ...
        Go through the forest all in chorus! We ceased to be arbitrators in your disputes in 1991. Now we are cooperating with Armenia and Azerbaijan as much as it is beneficial to us.
        Yes, you are creating problems for us with your conflict ... You want Putin, like Trump about the Dutch heights, to announce that Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Armenia or Azerbaijan. And your age-old problem is solved in an instant.
        And will this solve everything? Oh .. cigars? We have few problems? No, decide for yourself, and we will try to protect you (and that is not a fact) from abundant bloodshed ...
        1. wmn5500
          wmn5500 29 March 2019 19: 17
          +2
          No, decide for yourself, and we will try to protect you (and that is not a fact) from abundant bloodshed ...

          Something is not clear, like "decide for yourself" and on the other hand "we will try to save", an obvious contradiction. Do not interfere and then we will really decide for ourselves.
          1. volodimer
            volodimer 29 March 2019 19: 58
            0
            We’ll try to protect it, this is something that we won’t let you sweep each other with all the available weapons ... But for the rest, decide for yourself: that is, agree on how you will peacefully hate each other
            You still have to live nearby.
            1. wmn5500
              wmn5500 29 March 2019 20: 28
              0
              How to negotiate if the Armenians do not compromise. It remains only to "blizzard".
            2. TAOW
              TAOW 29 March 2019 23: 02
              0
          2. dr.star75
            dr.star75 29 March 2019 20: 04
            0
            Quote: wmn5500
            Do not interfere and then we will really decide for ourselves.

            Uh, no. Each side has its own interests, you have your own, we have our own.
            1. wmn5500
              wmn5500 29 March 2019 20: 30
              +1
              Well, then they say that Russia has nothing to do with it. It turns out moreover and very much moreover.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 29 March 2019 20: 45
                -1
                Why can't we advance our interests?
                1. wmn5500
                  wmn5500 29 March 2019 21: 04
                  0
                  If you mean the Russian Federation, then its interests in the region are observed by Azerbaijan. But Armenia’s support according to the formula we will not give in offense helps it to keep the territory of Azerbaijan under occupation. Thus, one is not satisfied with the policy of the Russian Federation. If it were not for the support of Russia, then Armenia would have long ago agreed to a compromise peace without any war.
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: wmn5500
                    If not for the support of Russia, Armenia would have long ago agreed to a compromise peace without any war.

                    If not for the support of Russia, then Armenia would cease to exist. hi
                    1. Karenas
                      Karenas 29 March 2019 21: 13
                      +1
                      Well, it could become the next state of the United States ...
                      1. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 26
                        0
                        Naive! On a fig you to them? To feed you?
                      2. Karenas
                        Karenas 29 March 2019 21: 28
                        +1
                        For some reason, we needed to threaten the Turkish generals in 1992 ...
                        By the way, now there is propaganda for moving to the states of Russian Armenians ...
                      3. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Karenas
                        By the way, propaganda is now moving to the states of Russian Armenians.

                        Why don’t they go? Actively campaign! We are for!
                        Quote: Karenas
                        that they threatened the Turkish generals in 1992 ...

                        Well, you didn’t notice. that the world has changed during this time, and Turkey is not exactly an ally of the United States.
                      4. Karenas
                        Karenas 29 March 2019 21: 53
                        0
                        Who agrees"? Definitely not the authorities ... Even under the USSR, work was carried out to Russify the Armenians ...

                        In Turkey ... And then Turkey was not entirely an ally of the Anglo-Saxons, therefore they threatened them ... Today, the danger for us from the USA is that it is not the Anglo-Saxons who rule over there, but the Jews ...
                      5. Penalty
                        Penalty 29 March 2019 22: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: Karenas
                        Today, the danger for us from the USA is only that it is not the Anglo-Saxons who rule, but the Jews ...

                        And not only for you ... hi
                      6. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 22: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Karenas
                        Today, the danger for us from the USA is only that it is not the Anglo-Saxons who rule, but the Jews ...

                        AGAIN. How much does Armenia earn and how much does it spend? laughing
                      7. Karenas
                        Karenas 29 March 2019 23: 00
                        0
                        Today, thanks to Pashinyan, Armenia spends as much as it earns ... Under Serge, it simply consumed 500 million every year. bucks foreign loans ...
                      8. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 23: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Karenas
                        In Turkey ... And then Turkey was not entirely an ally of the Anglo-Saxons, therefore they threatened them ... Today, the danger for us from the USA is that it is not the Anglo-Saxons who rule over there, but the Jews ..

                        Well, how many Armenians went to America? America is for Armenians!
                    2. wmn5500
                      wmn5500 29 March 2019 21: 25
                      +3
                      And what to do? If the Russian Federation allowed the occupation of part of the territory of Azerbaijan. Thanks to this support, today hundreds of thousands of refugees have lost their homes and cannot return to their homes. After all, judge for yourself, the number of Armenians living in Karabakh and 7 adjacent regions, in which actually no Armenian population was, is, according to the most exaggerated Armenian estimates, 150 thousand, in fact, no more than 80 thousand. But the number of refugees is 800 thousand. (according to Armenian data, 583 thousand). It turns out that for the sake of ambition 80 thousand Armenians were expelled 10 times more than Azerbaijanis. Where is justice here? Today, the Armenians are offered a compromise version of the decision to which they respond categorically. What do you want to do here? It remains only to conduct a military operation on de occupation, which is hindered by the position of the Russian Federation.
                      1. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 49
                        0
                        Quote: wmn5500
                        which prevents the position of the Russian Federation.

                        Again, Russia is to blame for everything?
                      2. wmn5500
                        wmn5500 29 March 2019 22: 12
                        0
                        I clearly stated what the problem is. If there are any other questions then voice them. And once again, Azerbaijan has one task: the liberation of the occupied territory within the internationally recognized borders, which the Russian Federation also recognizes.
        2. TAOW
          TAOW 29 March 2019 23: 00
          0
          And why on earth did it suddenly crave you to save us? Maybe we can decide without bloodshed without you.
          1. genisis
            genisis 30 March 2019 18: 38
            -1
            And who prevented you from letting the NKAR go without bloodshed in 1989?
      3. AAK
        AAK 29 March 2019 19: 46
        -1
        Russia got the key and solved the problem of Armenia and Azerbaijan in its own way - it’s bad, it didn’t solve it ... didn’t get the key and didn’t solve the problem Russia is bad again, didn’t want to solve .... You don’t understand this Transcaucasian logic ...
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 29 March 2019 19: 55
        -4
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        The Russian Federation is late in adapting the concepts of the approach in a very fast-changing world and geopolitical players are using it to the fullest.

        Apparently if the Russian Federation takes the side of Azerbaijan, then it will not be late ....
        All conflicts in the territories of the former USSR have a solution key (any of them can be resolved within three to six months) and this key is in the pocket of the Russian Federation.

        Nice thing, the conflict began between the two republics of the then USSR, the USSR has not existed for 1/4 of a century, but for some reason the key is in the former RSFSR ....
        At the insistence of the Russian Federation, a temporary truce was concluded in 1994, with the hope that the Russian Federation will soon help in a peaceful solution. A lot of time has passed and the hope is melting that the Russian Federation will nevertheless take a serious step to solve this problem.

        How should the Russian Federation solve the problem that has arisen between Armenia and Azerbaijan, without their will to resolve this problem ....?
        Despite the fact that for a long time there was no Tsar Empire

        Azerbaijan appeared only thanks to the USSR ...
        1. wmn5500
          wmn5500 29 March 2019 20: 32
          0
          As the Russian Federation, it must solve the problem that has arisen between Armenia and Azerbaijan,

          Keep out.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 09
            0
            [quote = wmn5500] As the Russian Federation, it must solve the problem that arose between Armenia and Azerbaijan,

            Do not interfere. [/ Quote
            [quote = wmn5500] As the Russian Federation, it must solve the problem that arose between Armenia and Azerbaijan,

            Do not interfere. [/ Quote]
            Then say to Armenia: goodbye!
            1. wmn5500
              wmn5500 29 March 2019 21: 32
              +1
              Michael. I was given farewell to Armenia. And I'm an Azerbaijani if ​​that.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 51
                0
                Quote: wmn5500
                And I’m an Azerbaijani if ​​that

                But I am Russian.
                1. wmn5500
                  wmn5500 29 March 2019 22: 13
                  0
                  I am quick-witted. wink
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 29 March 2019 22: 58
                    0
                    Quote: wmn5500
                    I am quick-witted. wink

                    and you are quick-witted!
          2. Penalty
            Penalty 29 March 2019 22: 07
            -5
            Quote: wmn5500
            As the Russian Federation, it must solve the problem that has arisen between Armenia and Azerbaijan,

            Keep out.

            Aha right now, straight .. And then both of them will accuse Russia of not interfering and pulling away for the "scruff" ..
            Just try .. We will soak indiscriminately, we do not need this crap and without you the problems are higher than the "stars of the Kremlin!" .. negative soldier
            1. wmn5500
              wmn5500 29 March 2019 22: 16
              -1
              I have outlined the current state of conflict above. Say:
              Just try .. We will wet indiscriminately

              What would you do in such a situation?
            2. TAOW
              TAOW 29 March 2019 23: 16
              -1
              Who is going to wet this? Can water Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia?))) Well, well ..
            3. TAOW
              TAOW 29 March 2019 23: 17
              -1
              I don’t know who is hemorrhoids. But be sure to consult a doctor.
        2. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx 29 March 2019 22: 11
          +5
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Azerbaijan appeared only thanks to the USSR ...

          You have a cat weeping for knowledge of history. Azerbaijan appeared if you go to historical extremes thanks to Turkey! Before the Azerbaijan SSR there was the Transcaucasian Socialist Federal Federal Soviet Republic and before it the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. The first democratic republic in the Islamic world and the first that gave women the right to choose in the Islamic world, etc. Soviet education, or is it an exam? Although both options explain the fact of not knowledge.
        3. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 29 March 2019 23: 13
          +2
          So much work and finally wrote a twisted analysis-response that has nothing to do with the truth.
        4. TAOW
          TAOW 29 March 2019 23: 46
          +1
          Well, the USSR is just like a heroine mother, gave birth to 15 children, and these children themselves were thankless and killed)))) Where do you get the knowledge from? And the RAS is aware of you in general, otherwise they will lose such a genius))
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 March 2019 17: 20
    +3
    Both leaders are understanding, aware of the fact that they can step by step step towards peace without undue fever.
    Is this about Nikol Pashinyan? "Funny, but not serious."
    And peace in the Caucasus is one of the most important guarantees of stability in southern Europe,
    I wonder when the Caucasus got there?
    Friends, agree already. Honestly, I would very much like to,
    Yes, like two fingers ... Pipeline through Armenia and remove our base, and Karabakh - a fetish. Here in Vienna and hid.
    Do we need such spools?
  4. svp67
    svp67 29 March 2019 17: 39
    +2
    Aliyev and Pashinyan on the banks of the Danube discussed the problem of Karabakh
    Q.E.D. And more recently, the guys from Armenia proved that this is not possible ... Naive
    1. Karenas
      Karenas 29 March 2019 18: 24
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      Aliyev and Pashinyan on the banks of the Danube discussed the problem of Karabakh
      Q.E.D. And more recently, the guys from Armenia proved that this is not possible ... Naive

      Yes, even in Antarctica they could meet and talk ... But everything is decided in the Kremlin ... as April 2016 showed. Well, with the option that the Kremlin will betray us, there will be a war ... It is very possible that then China, India and FarsiAfghanistan will support us ...
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 29 March 2019 18: 55
        +2
        Quote: Karenas
        Well, with the option that the Kremlin will betray us, there will be a war ... It is very possible that we will then be supported by China, India and Farsi Afghanistan ...

        What a dependent position. Enough to poke at Russia for any reason. When did Russia betray you?

        We wanted independence, so know how to dispose of it. And they are already hoping for the support of Afghanistan. Funny, is not it.
        1. Karenas
          Karenas 29 March 2019 18: 57
          -1
          Well, finding allies is also an attribute of independence.
          1. Volodin
            Volodin 29 March 2019 19: 05
            +1
            Quote: Karenas
            Well, finding allies is also an attribute of independence.

            I told my Armenian friends that someone is considering Afghanistan as an ally of Armenia - they will never stop laughing))
            1. Karenas
              Karenas 29 March 2019 19: 10
              -1
              They simply are not aware of the Hindu-Pashtun cooperation ... Against Pakistan ... And for us there is a place ...
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 29 March 2019 20: 07
                +1
                Quote: Karenas
                And for us there is a place.

                And how many Armenians are in Afghanistan? lol lol
                1. Karenas
                  Karenas 29 March 2019 20: 31
                  -2
                  How much is needed, so much is ...
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 29 March 2019 20: 46
                    +1
                    Well, how many divisions do they have? laughing
                2. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 29 March 2019 23: 21
                  +2
                  You probably have not heard about the Armenian camp, which has long surpassed the Gypsy along the paved paths to all countries. They have bent in Afghanistan, they don’t go there, they catch nothing.
        2. Karenas
          Karenas 29 March 2019 20: 30
          -3
          Quote: Volodin
          Enough to poke on Russia for any reason. When did Russia betray you?

          The Russian Empire has betrayed Armenians for centuries ...
          Bolshevik Russia betrayed greatly ...
          The Russian Federation betrayed Armenia in 1992 and was going to do it in 1993, but Oleg Lobov intervened ...
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 29 March 2019 20: 49
            +2
            Quote: Karenas
            The Russian Empire has betrayed Armenians for centuries ..

            TYU! So why in the country of Armenians more traitors than in Armenia? What? Armenia betrayed Armenians more than Russia? wassat
            1. Karenas
              Karenas 29 March 2019 20: 53
              -3
              Betray and traitors are different categories ... Why juggle?
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 12
                +2
                Quote: Karenas
                Betray and traitors are different categories ... Why juggle?

                Well, why are you juggling? Why are there more Armenians in Russia than in Armenia? Have you come to take revenge? lol
                1. Karenas
                  Karenas 29 March 2019 21: 18
                  -4
                  He wrote more than once ... With the collapse of the USSR, Armenia was ruled (except from February 1998 to 27.10.99) by the Zionist protégés of Moscow, whose task was to destroy Armenia and Armenians
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Karenas
                    Moscow Zionists,

                    Just like that? So Zionists or Moscow? Why didn’t they completely destroy them? Well, what stopped them if they wanted to destroy the proud Armenians? The Russian base is still standing. Aviation is present. Well, a couple of calls of aviation and the whole of Armenia, the Arctic fox. What are they afraid of? Angry comments from Karen?
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                      1. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 22: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: Karenas
                        It was the Moscow Zionists ... Well, Vazgen Sargsyan took off Levon ...
                        Will you deny that on October 27.10.99, XNUMX, Primakov’s SVR was organized?

                        You probably want to present evidence, but they don’t take it from you.
                        You can publish them here:
                      2. Karenas
                        Karenas 29 March 2019 22: 03
                        -2
                        I can ... But I won’t do it yet ...
                      3. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 22: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Karenas
                        I can ... But I won’t do it yet ...

                        Feyknuz to help you! laughing
                      4. Karenas
                        Karenas 29 March 2019 22: 16
                        -3
                        It happens that you overhear the guarantee of one Kremlin man for 10 years in advance, and then you see the performance ...
                      5. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 23: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Karenas
                        It happens that you overhear the guarantee of one Kremlin man for 10 years in advance, and then you see the performance ...

                        It happens.
            2. TAOW
              TAOW 29 March 2019 23: 22
              -1
              And what, all hope for gratitude? And how do you like the answer of an ally?
          2. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 29 March 2019 23: 34
            +1
            So Russia "betrayed" you, that out of the blue, without asking the local population, (the Empire does not ask permission, as a rule) from the beginning they brought Armenians, cherished, caressed and on the lands of the Turks they created a country called Armenia with further expulsion, disappearance Turks from the same lands. What are you ungrateful. Leontiev was frank on this topic not by chance, so to speak for prevention, as a warning shot in the air. The outpost received the signal.
            1. Karenas
              Karenas 29 March 2019 23: 41
              -2
              Oguz, choose expressions ...

              Our lands, ours !!! Historically ours !!!
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 30 March 2019 00: 02
                +1
                "Our lands, ours !!! Historically ours !!!" A slogan, no more. It has no legal or historical basis. It does not have a single document that you can touch with your hands.
      2. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 29 March 2019 18: 57
        +1
        Quote: Karenas
        Yes, even in Antarctica they could meet and talk ... But everything is decided in the Kremlin ... as April 2016 showed. Well, with the option that the Kremlin will betray us, there will be a war ... It is very possible that then China, India and FarsiAfghanistan will support us ...

        Who are we?
        1. Karenas
          Karenas 29 March 2019 18: 58
          -2
          Us is Armenia.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 29 March 2019 20: 08
            -1
            A chezh still not supported?
            1. Karenas
              Karenas 29 March 2019 20: 32
              0
              Quote: dr.star75
              A chezh still not supported?

              Negotiations are ongoing ...
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 29 March 2019 20: 53
                0
                Quote: Karenas
                Negotiations are ongoing ...

                When once again you have a military clash with Azerbaijan, try not to go to Putin to see a sports match, to Afghanistan! tongue And let Afghanistan cover you with a 300 wassat
                1. Karenas
                  Karenas 29 March 2019 20: 55
                  0
                  India forgot ...
                  And yes ... Putin himself 15 years ago said to the Turks: "Yes, but history must also be remembered."
                  And in general, what we had in power then in 2016 was a sergeant - so after all, he and his Russian bayonets put us on the neck in 2008 ...
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 15
                    -1
                    Quote: Karenas
                    India forgot ...

                    What? belay India will cover you? No, I do not mind! May India cover you with bayonets against Azerbaijan
      3. wmn5500
        wmn5500 29 March 2019 19: 00
        +1
        Karen. Today, China is more interested in Azerbaijan. India didn’t stand at all, and Iran will never fit in with Armenians, which is dangerous for its own security.
        1. Karenas
          Karenas 29 March 2019 19: 03
          -1
          Vugar, good evening.
          Yes, in peacetime, China is more interested in Az-n ... But in military affairs he will be in the anti-Turkestan front ...
          1. wmn5500
            wmn5500 29 March 2019 19: 28
            +1
            Good evening, Karen.
            In connection with the Uighur issue here, I think the problem is more connected with Central Asia and not with the Caucasus, so there is no reason to believe that this front will spread across the Caspian.
            1. Karenas
              Karenas 29 March 2019 19: 31
              0
              I have a slightly different opinion ... Turan, as it were, is, however, in a truncated version ...
              By the way, in the light of the Sino-Japanese confrontation, Japanese participation in Turkish projects can also be distinguished ...
          2. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 29 March 2019 19: 49
            +2
            China is a supporter of Pakistan and supports. And Pakistan does not even consider Armenia to be a state) China will not support Armenia against Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan and China recognize each other's territorial integrity + economic interests of China in Central Asia (Turks) and Azerbaijan (Oghuz Turks). China will not spoil relations with anyone because of the tiny, poor, geographically not giving China anything, Armenia.
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        2. alone
          alone 30 March 2019 00: 38
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          Quote: Penalty
          Armenia is our historical ally, under any authority. (Of course they are impudent, but still)
          Reply

          Russia generally has two allies - This is the army and navy !! But there are no eternal allies .. There are temporary bilateral interests .. (This is when the allies are equivalent) ..
      5. svp67
        svp67 29 March 2019 19: 03
        +1
        Quote: Karenas
        Well, with the option that the Kremlin will betray us, there will be a war ... It is very possible that we will then be supported by China, India and Farsi Afghanistan ...

        And if you betray him? Who then rely on?
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          1. AAK
            AAK 29 March 2019 19: 49
            -1
            Dear, but yourself, without Russia, can you agree?
            1. Karenas
              Karenas 29 March 2019 19: 52
              +2
              This is fundamentally impossible - Armenia by its existence impedes the formation of Turan ...
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 29 March 2019 23: 47
                +1
                This fairy tale "interferes with the formation of Turan" would have taken place in the nineteenth, or in the first half of the 20th century. In the 21st century, with such technological logistics, infrastructure and connections between countries and people, explain how Armenia interferes if we fantasize that someone creates Turan ???
            2. dr.star75
              dr.star75 29 March 2019 20: 13
              0
              Quote: AAK
              Dear, but yourself, without Russia, can you agree?

              Without Russia, Armenia will cease to exist as a state. As soon as the last Russian soldier leaves Armenia, she will disappear. hi
              1. Karenas
                Karenas 29 March 2019 20: 22
                0
                And they went through it ... Everything will depend on the power in Washington - whether it will be Anglo-Saxon or Jewish ...
                1. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 00
                  +1
                  No, they didn’t take seriously. If we leave, you will be divided by Turkey and Iran, in proportion to which country will be stronger at that time, with all the consequences for the local population. Now, while Russia has the opportunity, we hold the base there, just like a nail in the ass for these countries
                  1. Karenas
                    Karenas 29 March 2019 21: 03
                    0
                    No, they left in earnest ... I wrote more than once - then the US Embassy warned the Turks that there would be problems ...
                    1. dr.star75
                      dr.star75 29 March 2019 21: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Karenas
                      The US Embassy warned the Turks that there would be problems ...

                      And now? wink
                      1. Karenas
                        Karenas 29 March 2019 21: 37
                        +1
                        Now the states are ruled by Jews ...
                      2. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 22: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: Karenas
                        Now the states are ruled by Jews ...

                        Do you think the Jews are afraid of strengthening the Armenian state? wassat Therefore, its strengthening is hindering? Are you (Armenians) against the Jews? belay
                      3. Karenas
                        Karenas 29 March 2019 22: 11
                        0
                        No, Jews have been 800 years old in military ties with the Turks ...
                        And the Jews against the Russians ... As they gouged your empire 100 years ago, today they have taken away Ukraine from you ... There will be more ... Well, we just get under the feet of the anti-Russians ...
                      4. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 29 March 2019 23: 23
                        0
                        In the meantime, you get confused under your feet.
                        Everyone who gouged our empire_Hi
                  2. wmn5500
                    wmn5500 29 March 2019 21: 43
                    +2
                    Here's a statement of this fact to you + from me.
                    1. Penalty
                      Penalty 29 March 2019 22: 13
                      -1
                      Quote: wmn5500
                      Here's a statement of this fact to you + from me.

                      Well, it seems, they agreed ... hi Poison us all with each other and then chuckle negative
      6. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 30 March 2019 02: 30
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        Quote: Karenas
        Well, with the option that the Kremlin will betray us, there will be a war ...

        Is there reason to believe this or is it your speculation?
        It is very possible that China, India and FarsiAfghanistan will support us then ...

        Why then did the above countries at the height of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict not save Yerevan from the Air Force of Azerbaijan or did Afghanistan deliver the S-300 to you then?
        I know for sure that Armenia is of no value to China, India and Afghanistan, the question is different, why does Russia need Armenia? You managed to quarrel with all your neighbors who needs you in your enclave among your neighbors who have a desire to return their lands donated to you by the RI / USSR and whose majority of them live outside the territory of Armenia (the largest diasporas in France and the Russian Federation) .....
        What is at least one reason why someone will harness for you from the countries you mentioned above?
        1. Karenas
          Karenas 30 March 2019 08: 11
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Is there reason to believe this or is it your speculation?

          Theoretically considering the option ...

          Quote: Lara Croft
          What is at least one reason why someone will harness for you from the countries you mentioned above?

          For the same reason that the PRC is participating in Syria against the Uighurs and the Turkish secret services behind them ...
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft April 2 2019 00: 38
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            Quote: Karenas
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Is there reason to believe this or is it your speculation?

            Theoretically considering the option ...

            When it seems, you need to be baptized ....
            For the same reason that the PRC is participating in Syria against the Uighurs and the Turkish secret services behind them ...

            You can reference, like a valiant PLA fighting in the SAR, again they all mixed up, maybe the PLA special forces fighting in the east of the DRA?
            Yes, and it is not antiligent to compare Turks and Azerbaijanis with Uyghur rebels, and for what reason, India, China and the DRA will fight for Armenia, with which nothing connects them, from the word completely .....
            Pashinyan’s coming to power in Armenia is a godsend for the Russian Federation, faster than the Russian Federation will leave Armenia or at least reduce its military presence in it (primarily its land component) ...
            The RF WB in Armenia is essentially a large "armed prisoner of war camp" ....
        2. wmn5500
          wmn5500 30 March 2019 11: 32
          +1
          the height of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict did not save Yerevan from the Azerbaijani Air Force

          What are you talking about? Neither in the midst of the conflict, nor after Yerevan were strikes!
          In general, the level of knowledge of the local public in our region is surprising! One attributes the capture of Erivani to Peter1, the other speaks of the mythical attacks of the Azerbaijani Air Force on Yerevan. If you undertook to comment, then before you write something, study the subject!
          1. Karenas
            Karenas 30 March 2019 18: 32
            0
            Well, Peter I nevertheless once positively noted here ... When he sent 10000 of his soldiers to help the Georgian soldiers to sweep the combined hodgepodge of Caucasians - in revenge for their campaign in Transcaucasia in 1721/22. after the attack on Isfahan and Ardabil ... Unfortunately, then the line of behavior of RI, shown in "Peter's Testament"
            1. wmn5500
              wmn5500 30 March 2019 18: 55
              +1
              Karen. I do not see anything positive in the fact that Peter was noted on the western coast of the Caspian. But I said that commentators do not know the region well and often confuse the chronology of events. After all, Peter has nothing to do with the capture of Erivani. Is not it? And there were no raids by the Azerbaijani Air Force on Yerevan.
              1. Karenas
                Karenas 30 March 2019 18: 58
                0
                Vugar, it is not surprising that they are not in the subject ... They have too many dark sides of their history ...
                There was a detachment of Zubov ... I forgot the details ...
                Peter promised to send an army to Karabakh if ​​the Armenians put up their squad ... We did this, but we did not see Petrovtsy ... Forcedly, the Karabakh Armenian army moved to Dagestan ...
                1. wmn5500
                  wmn5500 30 March 2019 19: 14
                  +1
                  Karen, I agree that they have a lot of their problematic topics, but before writing comments it would not hurt to double-check their knowledge so that a false opinion would not develop.
                  By the way, and the detachment of Count Zubov, this is already under Catherine 2 in the 1790s.
              2. Karenas
                Karenas 30 March 2019 20: 09
                0
                Quote: wmn5500
                I do not see anything positive in the fact that Peter was noted on the west coast of the Caspian

                Well, Vugar, those Caucasians slaughtered the Shiites as "apostates" ... Peter and the Georgians punished the killers of your ancestors ... A positive presence, in my opinion ...
                1. wmn5500
                  wmn5500 30 March 2019 21: 04
                  +1
                  You see, Karen, I am absolutely not religious, and therefore this confrontation between Shiites and Sunnis, as well as between Christianity and Islam, does not reach me, because by and large, those that others profess monotheism based on the "Abrahamic religion" and the differences between them are not so much deep as it seems now. Is that the differences in civilizational terms (east - west). Therefore, I cannot consider Peter's invasion of our region positively, because he came here as a conqueror and the whole campaign, and its consequences are more like a raid and nothing more.
                  1. Karenas
                    Karenas 30 March 2019 21: 22
                    0
                    In fact, it was just a screen, covered with religion ... In fact, at the direction of the Ottomans, the Caucasians team fought in the interests of Turkey against Persia and Georgia ...
                    The "exploits" of the Caucasians are described in the "Kaime" Bedreddin-zade ...
                    1. wmn5500
                      wmn5500 30 March 2019 21: 47
                      +1
                      Well, if you look broadly at the history of mankind, many wars were covered by religious motives that actually had deeply mercantile reasons, well, if you want more euphonious, "economic reasons." Also, the invasion and conquest of the Republic of Ingushetia in our region is no exception. And all this idle talk is like the salvation of Christian brothers, etc. nothing more than a beautiful cover for their expansion.
                      1. Karenas
                        Karenas 30 March 2019 21: 57
                        0
                        In our region, it is very significant that Hitler did not believe in Georgians and Armenians, but unconditionally believed in Muslims ... (this is for the case of attracting us to our side in the war against the Russians)
                      2. wmn5500
                        wmn5500 30 March 2019 22: 11
                        +1
                        Karen. But what about these? Die Georgische Legion, existed from 1941 to 1945, and was formed from Georgian prisoners of war and emigrants hiding in Europe from Soviet power.
                        Or these? Armenische Legion, the formation of the Wehrmacht, consisting of representatives of the Armenian people. The military objective of this formation was the state independence of Armenia from the Soviet Union.
                        The Azerbaijan Legion also existed, so that all representatives of the peoples of the Caucasus served Hitler.
                      3. Karenas
                        Karenas 30 March 2019 22: 18
                        0
                        Ours there basically "beat their thumbs" ... Only two cases of participation in hostilities ...
                      4. wmn5500
                        wmn5500 30 March 2019 22: 36
                        +1
                        Do not distort Karen, but rather read at least this: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wermacht_Armenian
                        If you look like that, then all nat. formations were beating. In addition to the ROA and Galicia.
                      5. Karenas
                        Karenas 30 March 2019 22: 38
                        0
                        I’m not interested in reading Vicki — I’ve read Legion Researcher Bergman. He investigated precisely from the position of the enemy ...
                      6. wmn5500
                        wmn5500 30 March 2019 22: 43
                        +1
                        In any case, in the active "database" from nat. formations that served Hitler distinguished the ROA and the SS Galicia division. All the rest were just in the wings and nothing more.
                      7. Karenas
                        Karenas 30 March 2019 22: 46
                        0
                        Well, why ... yours "distinguished themselves" in Belarus ... They even went too far with their zeal and incurred the disfavor of the German curators ...
                      8. wmn5500
                        wmn5500 30 March 2019 22: 55
                        0
                        It is strange that there is nothing in the brief article about the participation of our formations in the battles in Belarus. Again, I say mainly the actions of nat. formations of collaborators were formal.
        3. genisis
          genisis 30 March 2019 18: 55
          0
          And what did the Azerbaijani Air Force reach Yerevan at the height of the conflict?
  5. senima56
    senima56 29 March 2019 19: 30
    0
    "Honestly, I would very much like to have at least one problem less in this world." - that's what it says!
  6. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 29 March 2019 20: 05
    0
    Negotiations are good, but in reality the situation will not change except on the battlefield.
    1. Penalty
      Penalty 29 March 2019 20: 24
      +1
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      Negotiations are good, but in reality the situation will not change except on the battlefield.

      I agree that our base in Armenia needs to be strengthened, that it’s not pure that Pashinyan and Aliyev are plotting clearly, the OSCE is still there, and this is the first sign of blood and slaughter (Ukraine is an example!)
      1. wmn5500
        wmn5500 29 March 2019 20: 48
        +1
        I agree, we need to strengthen our base in Armenia

        Why reinforce?
        Pashinyan and Aliyev are obviously plotting something unclean

        Who cares what the leaders of two independent states are up to?
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          1. wmn5500
            wmn5500 29 March 2019 22: 43
            +1
            Today, there is not a single fully independent state, even the United States is dependent on many political and economic factors. Including Russia.
          2. TAOW
            TAOW 29 March 2019 23: 30
            0
            Wait and see!
  7. wmn5500
    wmn5500 29 March 2019 20: 24
    0
    What to expect:
    "The 3-hour meeting of Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev with Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan has ended.

    The parties left the Bristol Hotel, without making statements to the press."
    http://www.turan.az/ext/news/2019/3/free/politics%20news/ru/79801.htm
  8. TAOW
    TAOW 29 March 2019 22: 51
    0
    Until the occupied territories are liberated, everything is useless. These meetings are just for show. Everyone knows and realizes this. Keep foreign lands to good will not lead. It will someday come out, unfortunately then everything will be irreversible.
    1. wmn5500
      wmn5500 29 March 2019 23: 02
      0
      Support!
  9. TAOW
    TAOW 29 March 2019 23: 50
    -1
    Quote: Karenas
    And for us there is a place ...

    Where, on the front line between Pakistan and India? Or do you think India is eager to start kneading in the Caucasus and then they instantly emerge from under the noses of Russia, Iran and Turkey?
  10. Rəshad Mehdili
    Rəshad Mehdili 30 March 2019 02: 40
    0
    And when Russian patriots write here that Russia is supposedly saving them from bloodshed, it sounds ridiculous. Russian peacekeeping consists in seizing the territory of one state and forcing the injured party to reconcile with the loss of its land. No, comrades! Azerbaijan is not Moldova and Ukraine for you! This will not work with Azerbaijanis!
  11. sergeyezhov
    sergeyezhov 30 March 2019 07: 47
    0
    Karabakh should be united with the EAO.
  12. Morozko
    Morozko 30 March 2019 11: 55
    0
    Funny however ...
  13. wmn5500
    wmn5500 30 March 2019 15: 20
    +1
    Well, here is the evidence of the aggressive policy of Armenia.

    Armenian Minister of Defense David Tonoyan, commenting on the Karabakh conflict during a meeting with the Armenian community of New York, said that he was changing the format of "territory for peace," Voice of America reports. “I, as Minister of Defense, say: I reformulated the format of“ territory in exchange for peace. ” We will do the exact opposite “A new war for new territories”, - the minister said.


    https://news.am/rus/news/504257.html

    What can be negotiated with Armenia if, on the one hand, Pashinyan meets with Aliev for show, on the other hand, the Armenian Defense Ministry makes such impudent statements. It turns out that Armenia is absolutely not contractual and its whole policy is aggression and expansionism!
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 30 March 2019 17: 42
      0
      Apparently at the talks our people explained to them that if war would go inevitability. And they decided to snarl through Tonoyan, like we’re not afraid and still attack. An indicator that our people went to demand that the Armenians withdraw their occupying forces. It’s time for our people and government to tune in for war, without any negotiations. For 25 years of negotiations, it became clear that the dear Armenians do not understand that it is necessary to return what was taken with the robbery.
  14. georggy
    georggy 30 March 2019 16: 41
    0
    Yes, they did not seem to drink a glass of wine. On the kebab "did not go."


    The peace between them is the dream of an old horse.
    Lather people eyes.