US Navy purchases F / A-18 Super Hornet Block III instead of F-35C Lightning II

US naval forces order new deck aircraft aviation and it turned out to be not the latest fifth-generation fighter F-35C, specially designed for the American fleet. As transmits "Warspot" With reference to the press service of the company Boeing, US naval aviation will be replenished with 78 new f / A-18 Super Hornet fighter jets of the latest modification.

According to the publication, the program for the creation and maintenance of carrier-based Super Hornet fighters was designed for 25 years and was supposed to be completed in 2020 year. However, a significant lag in the creation of the fifth-generation carrier-based fighter F-35 allowed to extend it for some more time. In 2017, Boeing introduced the latest modification of the aircraft - F / A-18 XT (Advanced Super Hornet), received in the U.S. Navy called F / A-18E / F Super Hornet Block III.

The command of the American fleet decided to upgrade the entire fleet of F / A-18E / F Super Hornet to the new version. In addition, on March 21, the US Navy signed a new contract with Boeing to build the X / NUMX new F / A-78 Super Hornet Block III fighter. New aircraft must be commissioned deck carrier to 18 year. The contract value was 2021 billion.

The Boeing F / A-18 Hornet and its modification F / A-18E / F Super Hornet are in service with the US Navy since 1983. The program of creating fighters provided for the gradual removal of their weapons, starting with the 2020 year and replacing the fifth-generation fighter F-35C, designed for use on US aircraft carriers. However, the backlog of the program to create a new aircraft allowed the Super Hornet to extend its operation for a long time.

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[Trevis]

Beautiful car F-18.

[1 Navigator]

Well, here is the answer of the mattress to all questions.

[svp67]

Quote: Navigator 1

Well, here is the answer of the mattress to all questions.

Answer? It may well be. A competitive tool is required to solve a specific problem. Somewhere "stiletto" - F-35, and somewhere "mace" -F-18, the main thing is to observe a reasonable proportion

[VO3A]

For the first time, an optimization program was implemented on the F-18, or rather, to reduce the cost of ground handling and maintenance in general. These aspects were taken into account at the stage of finalizing the aircraft and in preparation for its production .... So that the aircraft is not simple, but a milestone in history of military aviation ... This is for those who can not say anything smart at the mention of the plane ....

[svp67]

Quote: Trevis

Beautiful car F-18.

And in aviation, there are few beautiful aircraft; the laws of aerodynamics are inexorable.

[kit88]

Quote: svp67

And in aviation, few beautiful aircraft

here is one of them

[svp67]

Quote: kit88

here is one of them

This is you in vain ... Indulge in vain, mister good, attack aircraft have their own beauty

[Pete mitchell]

Well no, I do not agree with you. A-10 is just handsome, especially when it goes into the attack and pounds from the gun. The roar is so uncomfortable ..

[Trevis]

Quote: svp67

And in aviation, there are few beautiful aircraft; the laws of aerodynamics are inexorable.

For me, the most beautiful fighter, MIG -29!

[svp67]

Quote: Trevis

For me, the most beautiful fighter, MIG -29!

The humpback spoils him a little to each his own. But nonetheless.

[Simferopol]

Quote: Trevis

Beautiful car F-18.

Nothing special. Just the color is "beautiful". Paint it white and it will be "plane like plane"

[Maz]

The author has perverted the news. They buy a proven car in addition to the deck f-35, and not instead. And these planes will work in conjunction.

[Tochilka]

and if no one had measured the gun more, and whoever had better people, then there would have been no whole filthy arms race.

[Mountain shooter]

And why no one screams, how can it be, why is it junk ... I'm talking about talking about the Su-35 and Su-57 ...
Here it is possible for them ...

[Alex777]

Our probably knew when the Su-35 was riveted, that it will be so.
And F-18 vs Su-35 oh how difficult it will be.
I'll keep quiet about "Adm. Gorshkov" ...

[GibSoN]

And F-18 vs Su-35 oh how difficult it will be.

Only if in the dreams of URA patriots)). If you had even half imagined the concept of using modern fighter-attack aircraft, you would never have written such nonsense. You have no idea about the filling of the last modification of the eighteenth, but confidently talk about the superiority of the thirty-fifth, which is not even used by the highest ranks when accompanied, despite all its advantages. Not to mention the interceptions of different cookies with diapers ...

[Alex777]

Are you an American cheer patriot?
You have nothing to do here.

[Aaron Zawi]

Actually, not instead, together. Due to the delay in the procurement schedule of F-35C, Americans are forced to buy F-18 or they would have to reduce the number of aircraft on carrier groups.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Due to the delay in procurement schedule F-35C

Or due to the fact that the praised F-35C turned out to be not as cool as in commercials?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Piramidon

Or due to the fact that the praised F-35C turned out to be not as cool as in commercials?

Well, if you are so pleased to think, then ....

[Letun]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, if you are so pleased to think, then ....

I think it’s more pleasant for you to think that the owners do not ... deceive ... you

[Letun]

Well, nevermind, the guys in the livery fussed. A trifle, but nice

[Voyager]

Not pleasant, because in my opinion, with all the specificity of the F-35, the new F / A-18s pose a greater danger and the fact that they were ordered is not good for us)

[voyaka uh]

No. The point is in quantity. Two Nimitz-class aircraft carriers now have two F-35C training squadrons.
The Hornets naval pilots from these and other aircraft carriers are being tested on them.
According to the plan, each aircraft carrier will have one F-35 squadron and two Super-Hornets. Joint exercises of these two types of aircraft have already been conducted. And very pleased with the results. F-35 together with growlers and drums F-18 can flexibly crack dense air defense together.

[Shuttle]

Quote: voyaka uh

According to the plan, each aircraft carrier will have one F-35 squadron and two Super-Hornets. Joint exercises of these two types of aircraft have already been conducted. And very pleased with the results. F-35 together with growlers and drums F-18 can flexibly crack dense air defense together.

And there are some tasks that F-35 itself cannot handle without F / A-18, right? Why then is he at all?

[voyaka uh]

I wrote about the first stage of the re-equipment of the fleet on the F-35.
At the second stage, each aircraft carrier will have 2 F-35 squadrons. And one F-18. Next, the F-18 will be written off.

[Mestny]

Well, that is, everything is fine?
Fffuh, relieved.
But we were already worried - how is it that the problems of democracy have emerged in the light of democracy.
But you have always explained to us that there are no problems, only subhuman people have problems.

[ultra]

Quote: voyaka uh

F-35 along with growlers and shock F-18s can flexibly crack dense air defense together.

And hacked a lot?

[2329 Carpenter]

Quote: ultra

Quote: voyaka uh

F-35 along with growlers and shock F-18s can flexibly crack dense air defense together.

And hacked a lot?

Well, this is like the "best in the world" (by a large margin) of Chinese tanks.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: voyaka uh

According to the plan, each aircraft carrier will have one F-35 squadron and two Super-Hornets.

M-yes ... it was worth USN to get rid of the wild variety of deck vehicles (there were already four basic models in the deck wing, F-14, F-18, A-7, A-6), leaving only F-18 in various forms - how immediately the fleet decided to acquire a second type of deck.

[And Vasya.]

voyaka uh! Do not assume that it is almost impossible ... How many times have I explained to you that
it is almost unlikely to put an effective interference with the S-400 - a long range. Growler needs to fly up to the S-400 at a distance of 250 km, and in order to use the HARM missile, he also needs to fly up to a distance of 160 km. From here, Growler will be detected at a distance of 600 km (detection range of the S-400 radar), and at a distance of 400 km to 250 km - he will be shot down, he will not even be able to reach his line of jamming (we assume the use of A-50, A-100 for detecting low-flying targets) And it is not a fact that it will be able to suppress the S-400 - most likely it will not be able to ... The F-35 will be detected at a distance of 600 / 1,4 = 429 km, and from 400 km starting and then shot down. Super Hornet will be detected from 600 km, and from 400 km onwards, shot down. Considering the network-centric nature of Russia's air defense and the use of "medium" and "short" range air defense systems and fighter aircraft, the US aircraft have almost no chance! At the same time, we provide for the use of AWACS aircraft and control A-50u, A-100 - for low-flying targets.

[voyaka uh]

"and from 400 km and further downed." ////
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Will, will ... Why complex
called the S-400? Because it knocks down from 400 km all the enemy that moves in the air.
For you the task of quick wits: how many kilometers does the S-500 complex shoot down everyone? Three seconds to answer ...

[And Vasya.]

voyaka uh! Do not disgrace and read carefully what I wrote to you! That you will play with your friends and write nonsense to each other and not only! Do not forget about the goal indication to remember. By the way, the S-500 is not yet in service, there are no parameters in the open press ... Learn to count and not write your unrealizable assumptions first!

[voyaka uh]

Oh, failed the puzzle ...
The answer is in the name of the complex: from 500 km

[And Vasya.]

voyaka uh! Overshot again and showed his ignorance! Example S-300B4 - what is the range of an air defense system, but not 300 km, as you say, but 400 km ... The S-500 in open sources has 600 km for an aerodynamic target and not 500 km, as you expect! But the data on the SAM systems are secret and this is only a more or less assumption and no more.

[Lucy]

Probably the question should not be with the SS stamp, but chipboard? Is the earth flat or round?

[Simferopol]

Quote: And Vasya.

F-35 will be detected at a distance of 600 / 1,4 = 429 km detected and with 400 km starting and further shot down

I thought for the S-400, if the F-35 will fly at high altitude, the S-400 will detect it at a distance of about 270-280km

[And Vasya.]

Dear Simferopol! I figured it out, given the detection of D = 600 km with an EOP (EPR) = 1 sq. M and an EOP (EPR) F-35 equal to O, 5 sq. M (0,3-0,4 sq. M in F- 22 - data from our designers). Let us estimate more precisely and more realistically: the range of the radar D = 600 km with the image intensifier (EPR) = 4 sq.m, and the image intensifier (EPR) F-35 we take 0,3 - 0,4 sq.m, we get the detection range F-35 will be at a distance of D = 314 - 337 km - in free space and at high altitude. But all the same, these are approximate data - there is no and cannot be exact data in the open press. All the best!

[VO3A]

It’s just the quantity. The F-35 is not a universal aircraft, but rather a scout, command link, spotter ... And thousands of them are not needed, I think that more than 1000 will not be released, they are not needed for such a hell quantity. Moreover, it’s a very expensive airplane to operate and at a cost of 1 hour of flight ... If it is with weapons on external suspensions, it immediately loses all its properties ... Well, it’s suitable for Jews for villains and reconnaissance, but they are also more than a few dozen such a miracle is not needed ... And it is not at all suitable for the American propagation of democracy in underdeveloped countries .... So, there should be many more such aircraft as the F-18 and they will be released ... And yet, these even the elements of supposedly AI and software improvements on the F-35 can ruin even the Americans, especially since they are endless in cost and time and take off the trouble ...

[voyaka uh]

"also, these elements of supposedly AI and software improvements on the F-35 .... they are endless in cost and time ...." ////
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It’s good that you paid attention to it.
This is the ideal for which decades have gone. Flexible software instead of hard firmware. Open architecture. Allows you to write on top of the main software in a matter of hours add-ons for any avionics and weapons.
And an F-35 upgrade from a regular laptop.
Why such integration problems with the F-22? Everything is done tough. Any upgrade is a headache for months and years.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

F-35 along with growlers and shock F-18s can flexibly crack dense air defense together.

Yeah. have heard.
F-18s give target designations until they end and if they can, and because of their backs they must shoot F-35 if they receive target designations. and if the F-18 ends without giving target designation for the F-35 ... well then, they haven’t come up with yet.
The F-35 is a very striking representative of the modern American military-industrial complex. make "wunderwaflu", launch it into production and only then begin to come up with "but how to use it?"

[voyaka uh]

"and from behind their backs the F-35 should shoot," ////
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Just the opposite. F-35s from the whole group are the only ones who can go on rapprochement. And deliver decisive shots at close range with little risk of being shot down. But for this, the Growlers must bring chaos to the radars and air defense antennas (create interference on the radar screens), and the F-18 drums should divert fire towards themselves by firing from great distances. F-35 on radars looks like a hindrance. When there is a lot of interference, then the excess is invisible.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

Just the opposite. F-35s from the whole group are the only ones who can go on rapprochement.

that's just something does not go. on application tactics, I read about the F-35 in the second line. after these exercises, orders for the F-15, F-18 and the re-conservation of old cars again went.
tell me, do you have links to any sources close to the Pentagon? this tactic is described somewhere besides your imagination?

[voyaka uh]

It makes no sense to keep the F-35 in the second line. This is a plane for unnoticed air defense passage. Therefore, according to the doctrine of the Americans, he carries hydrogen bombs in the internal compartments. They can only be dropped directly above the object.
The remaining 4-generation aircraft are needed only to divert attention to themselves and make the passage of the F-35 to the rear clean.
You probably mistook for the final formation of the F-35 in the second line AT THE BEGINNING OF THE OPERATION. Further, when battles start with missile air defense and enemy fighters, the F-35 go ​​into a "breakthrough", but not a breakthrough with a fight, but "infiltration" in order to bomb important objects. Which is the ultimate goal of the air operation.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

You probably took for the final construction of the F-35 in the second line AT THE BEGINNING OF THE OPERATION.

not that I'm trying to push, but you did not provide links to some more or less reliable source. then this is your personal vision of the situation. I must note that I did not find not a single clear description of the tactics of using F-35.

Quote: voyaka uh

Further, when battles start with missile air defense and enemy fighters, the F-35 go ​​into a "breakthrough", but not a breakthrough with a fight, but "infiltration" in order to bomb important objects.

a number of reasons why this is very problematic if the enemy has modern air defense level C400 (non-export) and air force level Su35. seep through such means detection of F-35 cannot. he will be discovered. according to the most optimistic, and definitely fake, estimates at a distance of 40-60km, they see it even when the F-35 is in passive mode. most likely at a greater distance. moreover, these are aviation radars. ground will detect it even earlier at a greater distance. at the same time, at this time, the F-35 goes with the radar turned off and does not conduct active military operations. so that he would be bombed during such a maneuver only by himself and not significantly reach the target.
but! this is if the enemy is Russia. if the enemy is Iran, then it can take a ride. maybe although Iran has already ordered C400 sort of.

By the way, why are you bombing Syria, not Iran? Do you have a peace treaty with Iran? the fact that you are at war with Syria, I know, but you are attacking Iranian facilities there. right? if you still have a war with Iran then why don’t you bomb Iran?

[And Vasya.]

voyaka uh! How much can you write nonsense! In order to interfere, the growler must fly to the S-300V4, S-400 air defense systems at a distance of 250 km, but it will be shot down from 400 km to 250 km to the air defense systems (S-400, S-300V4), and the F-35 will be from a distance of 314 km, to the aforementioned air defense systems, it was detected and guaranteed to be shot down ... and also did not have time to interfere. Do not lie or cherish unrealizable dreams. And not tired of showing your children's mind?

[TAOW]

That's right, the Navy needs decks, and the F-35 needs to be turned up and down. Moreover, the F / A-18 Super Hornet Block III is a deep modernization and the horse that you need.

[boathouse]

"The Boeing F / A-18 Hornet and its F / A-18E / F Super Hornet have been in service with the US Navy since 1983." The editors should be more attentive. F / A-18E / F Super Hornet adopted later much later.

[Tamek]

I wonder why this modification is better? Only avionics?

[RL]

Do you think this is not enough?

[Tamek]

I think if he is added to invisibility (and as far as I remember the first one who came out with reduced EPR) and new engines, then their Navy may refuse 35C

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Tamek

I think if he is added to invisibility (and as far as I remember the first one who came out with reduced EPR) and new engines, then their Navy may refuse 35C

can no longer.
big funds were invested in F-35 and they need to be beaten off.

[Tamek]

There is a unique and unique 35V, and 35A is boiled down for everyone. I understand that only the US Navy ordered a Tseshka, which means that with approximately equal opportunities they can put pressure on the twin-engine version

[Hole puncher]

Boeing F / A-18 Hornet and its modification F / A-18E / F Super Hornet have been in service with the U.S. Navy since 1983.

The author either does not understand that it is impossible to immediately rearm on new cars or mislead people. F-14s were produced until 1991, although the F-18 was in service for eight years, and Tomcat left the deck in general only in 2006. It took 23 years to completely replace the Tomcat.

[boathouse]

The Phantom was finished in 1981. when already 7 years in service was "Tomcat", intended to replace it. And the MiG-21 finished production later than the MiG-23, which was originally intended to replace the MiG-21. So everything is from the "evil".

[Altona]

As I understand it, the war with a technologically equal adversary is still being postponed, and for the usual tasks of projecting power and hegemony, a proven old man in an updated hypostasis also suits.

[boathouse]

Well, if you consider the "old man" car, adopted in the mid-90s.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Altona

As I understand it, a war with a technologically equal adversary is still postponed,

No, you do not understand correctly. The re-equipment process is a long process and is associated not only with the replacement of machines, but also with a change in the system of maintenance, training and education. At this time, the parallel production of both the new and the old machine is the need to maintain troops in combat readiness.

[Altona]

Quote: Puncher

At this time, the parallel production of both the new and the old machine is the need to maintain troops in combat readiness.

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One does not cancel the other.

[RL]

Long thought, fortunetellers and housekeepers advised, Kohl Russians, tell tales about 57, then we can save. And the car, the F / A-18 is excellent.

[And Vasya.]

RL! How to understand excellent? In the parameters of the aircraft there are no such characteristics!

[boathouse]

Read the literature, sir!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: RL

And the car, the F / A-18 is excellent.

what is excellent from? from the biplane?

[Vasyan1971]

Boeing Lobby Checks. Lokhkidmartinskoe grinds his teeth.

[shinobi]

The hornet is a good and well-developed car without childhood diseases. What can’t be said about 35m. And there is a steady feeling, waiting for the 35th repetition of the fate of the predecessor, F-22. Like many other such sophisticated projects that turned out to be useless to anyone except developers.

[Shahno]

I mean, no longer waiting. 500 left on the way. Or think to 5000 mu all the same bent ..

[shinobi]

The 35th, unlike the 22nd, was developed as a single multi-purpose project for the entire NATO bloc. A purely commercial project, and for a commercial project too expensive. 22nd was created for domestic consumption, well, very expensive. Therefore, the series was closed on 200 machines. The 35th turned out even worse than what is from old samples. Here and think further yourself.

[Simferopol]

Fu-35 completely failed

[Shahno]

Yeah, failed, failed

[bone1]

While you wait for your "Lightnings" - buy old stuff

[TermNachTer]

If they buy 78 new cars, then they will serve somewhere around 2050. When will the F-35 appear on decks in sufficient quantities? And what is the point of this fuss? They shouted that the 4th generation of ffse ...

[boathouse]

And who "shouted" something?

[TermNachTer]

Yes, here on the forum and shouted that F - 22, - 35 all other machines are multiplied by zero.

[lvov_aleksey]

They looked at us, they realized that the old does not mean bad.
if in India they shout that our MiG-21 shot down the F-16 ...

[boathouse]

Everything is no longer the case, the F-16 was not shot down and was not shot down by an Indian fighter, and which one, we do not know yet. And who knocked him down, and was he “knocked down” at all ... This mystery is covered in darkness. "Hindus" with "Packs" have already been lying completely. We will never know the truth. I can honestly say: I don't need such a "truth". It is a pity, but I will not comment on the news from "Hindustan";

[Jack O'Neill]

US Navy purchases F / A-18 Super Hornet Block III instead of F-35C Lightning II

Very loud headline ...

The US Navy ordered new carrier-based aircraft and these were not the newest fifth-generation F-35C fighters specially designed for the US Navy. As "Warspot" reports with reference to the press service of the Boeing company, the US naval aviation will be replenished with 78 new F / A-18 Super Hornet fighters of the latest modification.

So what if you ordered 78 Hornets? What does this say about "giving up" the Lightnings?

However, the answer is below;

According to the publication, the program for the creation and maintenance of Super Hornet carrier-based fighters was designed for 25 years and was supposed to be completed in 2020 year. However, a significant lag in the creation of the fifth-generation carrier-based fighter F-35 made it possible to extend it for a while. In 2017, the company Boeing introduced the latest modification of the aircraft - F / A-18 XT (Advanced Super Hornet), which received the name F / A-18E / F Super Hornet Block III in the US Navy.

Did the author even understand what he posted?
The title and the article itself contradict each other.

[Mike77]

More beautiful MiG-21 .F-18-cuttlefish. Knowing its combat capabilities, transfer to the exterior.
Does anyone know Americans say "eighteenth"? I suspect not, No?