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Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation believes that the victory of Poroshenko will lead to the collapse of Ukraine

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Nikolai Patrushev, Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, gave a long interview to the newspaper Izvestia. During the interview, a variety of issues, both internal and external, were discussed.


Not without discussion of the topic of the upcoming Ukrainian elections. Recall that the elections in Ukraine will be held next Sunday - March 31, and in fact millions of Ukrainian citizens are deprived of the right to participate in these elections - including those living in Russia today. The polling stations in the territory of the Russian Federation did not open Kiev, which indicates a clear violation of democratic norms and that the current government is afraid of the voting results from those who moved to the Russian Federation.

According to Nikolai Patrushev, the re-election of President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko will lead to exacerbation of the negative consequences for the Ukrainian statehood, for the Ukrainian people.

Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation believes that the victory of Poroshenko will lead to the collapse of Ukraine


Patrushev in an interview "Izvestia" suggested that if Poroshenko announced victory in the presidential election, it could lead to the collapse of Ukraine.

The process of disintegration began with the Maidan, against the background of which an anti-constitutional coup in the country was carried out. And as a result of this coup in Ukraine, a civil war broke out, which Poroshenko promised to stop in two weeks.

According to the secretary of the Russian Security Council, during the first presidency of Petro Poroshenko, it became clear that socio-economic and other contradictions were gaining momentum in Ukraine, and therefore Poroshenko’s victory may well be the result of fraud.

Patrushev believes Poroshenko continues to be a candidate that benefits the United States in the first place.

Recall that the previously acting Ukrainian president said that during the next presidential term he would do "everything for the country's entry into NATO and the European Union."

Today Poroshenko ranks third in the ranking of candidates (and there are more than 40) from about 15%.
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  1. taiga2018
    taiga2018 25 March 2019 10: 22
    -20
    our leadership is praying that Poroshenko will not win, because in this case they will be forced not to recognize the elections, and I don’t feel like it, I want to continue hanging out in the Norman format, I don’t want to complicate my life even more ...
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 25 March 2019 11: 03
      +14
      Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation believes that the victory of Poroshenko will lead to the collapse of Ukraine

      Saying a person whose post obliges you to know what is inaccessible to others. Apparently this is not blah blah blah.

      In addition, Patrushev is not empty, please note. Once said, then there is something in it.
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 March 2019 11: 06
        +6
        Quote: Separ DNR
        Saying a person whose post obliges you to know what is inaccessible to others. Apparently this is not blah blah blah.

        And I will say more that the victory of any of the favorites of this race can lead to collapse, as there is no certainty that the losing side will just give up. So much that Poroshenko that Kolomoisky put on this election. The only one who can somehow influence this process is the United States.
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 25 March 2019 11: 08
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          there is no certainty that the losing side will just give up.

          I have already noted this possibility in one of the topics. But if I am not mistaken, then either they did not understand me, or they simply pecked at the "miners" ...
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 25 March 2019 12: 40
            +1
            Today Poroshenko ranks third in the ranking of candidates (and there are more than 40) from about 15%.

            The media already reported that Poroshenko allegedly overtook Yulia Tymoshenko in the election rating, and Zelensky allegedly wants to abandon the election by inviting his voters to vote for someone else.
            Simply put, Zelenskiy is in fact "giving up" the presidential seat in Ukraine to Poroshenko.

            As a matter of fact, similar elective technologies - first, the leading candidate to pull the votes of the real candidates away from him, and then this leading candidate to refuse the election with an appeal to vote for the lagging candidates - well known. The candidate who follows him runs in the election. In this case, Poroshenko will pass.
            Naturally, such things are done under certain backstage promises and for certain "gingerbread".
            1. Charik
              Charik 25 March 2019 15: 45
              0
              better than Julia, she’s on the hook on the GDP as she likes
              1. svp67
                svp67 25 March 2019 16: 54
                +2
                Quote: Charik
                better than Julia, she’s on the hook on the GDP as she likes

                Did they say the same thing about Trump and did it help us much?
                1. Charik
                  Charik 25 March 2019 17: 10
                  0
                  and who said that Trump on the hook at the GDP-dyke guess-BBC (grandma-grandma-said) (Bush-Biden-Clinton)
                2. Charik
                  Charik 25 March 2019 17: 14
                  -1
                  and can you imagine if the clone-go-bush came to power, now half the world would blaze
                  1. Nikolay Ivanov_4
                    Nikolay Ivanov_4 26 March 2019 02: 54
                    0
                    Wouldn't have changed at all - Trump recognized Crimea? no, ordered Ukraine to end the war in Donbass? no, he fired tomahawks for some kind of "chemical attacks" in Syria, now he’s going to bury himself in Venezuela (they found more oil there than in Saudi Arabia) whoever comes to the United States — the country is led not by the president, but by several influential billionaires from "families" masons will roughly say something and will.
                    1. Charik
                      Charik 26 March 2019 16: 49
                      0
                      Somewhere Trump said, return Crimea back to Ukraine — does it belong to it? But he didn’t start it — and therefore can’t stop it, he shot at the barns so that his daughter wouldn’t ache, if he had a chance, then there would be neither Maduro nor Venezuela, yes uncles with suitcases, but this uncle has his own suitcase and + flash drive from GDP for uncles with suitcases
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 25 March 2019 16: 53
              -1
              Quote: Tatiana
              Zelensky is in fact "giving up" the presidential seat in Ukraine to Poroshenko.

              very possible, although hard to believe. Wait for sunday
        2. 79807420129
          79807420129 25 March 2019 12: 02
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          since there is no certainty that the losing side will just give up. So much that Poroshenko that Kolomoisky put on this election.

          Sergei, yes, but considering that Kalomoysha and Gunpowder are fierce enemies, and Kytsya can’t stand gunpowder. hi
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 25 March 2019 12: 38
            +2
            Quote: 79807420129
            ... anything can be.

            Hello colleagues.
            IMHO, the collapse of the ruins is a very bad option in the current situation because it will be associated with a lot of blood (all against all). But the scenario is very possible and, most importantly, beneficial to the overseas puppeteer, for whom the Slavs are a bone in the throat. Then, these events will occur on our border and here a lot of bad things can happen. yes
        3. 210ox
          210ox 25 March 2019 12: 48
          +2
          Our officials should not wag on these "elections" at all. Especially for Patrushev. In order not to put ourselves in an uncomfortable position later. To do our job systematically and without statements. Moreover, we can no longer influence it.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 25 March 2019 17: 00
            +1
            Quote: 210ox
            Our officials shouldn't be wagging on these "elections" at all

            that's for sure. otherwise it will turn out like with the support of Yanukovych.
        4. New Year day
          New Year day 25 March 2019 16: 51
          0
          Quote: svp67
          the losing side just surrenders - no.

          therefore Avakov and became the counterweight of the SBU. I think so. that there will be no real counter between them. Another thing is Natsik. Here is the question! But the Avaks have the experience of eliminating the most zealous.
          With Zelensky’s victory, and this is obvious, there will be no collapse
          1. svp67
            svp67 25 March 2019 16: 58
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            With Zelensky’s victory, and this is obvious, there will be no collapse
            Is not a fact. The victory of Zelensky and Tymoshenko is the coming of the Dnipropetrovsk-Kharkiv to power. Vinnitsa will have a hard time and they will not leave so easily, this means giving away a lot of "acquired by back-breaking labor", and it is a shame to give it to the "idleness", which they themselves recently robbed. So, even if Zelensky wins, it won't be quiet there, the "booze" won't go anywhere. The whole question is how quickly the SBU will hand over Poroshenko and Co., what the winners will offer to its top
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 25 March 2019 17: 02
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              how quickly the SBU will pass Poroshenko and K

              there will be no problems with this, they will surrender just like Janek.
              and then, the winner will really make them an offer
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 25 March 2019 17: 51
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            With Zelensky’s victory, and this is obvious, there will be no collapse

            hi
            Is not a fact. Behind each of the contenders for the throne of the hetman is a certain nouveau riche (Benya staked out on two candidates - Zelensky and a woman with two braids) .Let's say that Zelensky wins - the candidate of an outcast oligarch, and here a real fight for the trough begins, as a result of which everything will be against everyone. But for the plebs, this "wedding in Malinovka" will cost a new round of impoverishment, uncertainty and loss of life. In such an environment, even with a saucepan on his head, he will grab onto the Berdan, while ethnic groups will try to find peace in their alma mater. It's sad what I described, but this is my IMHO. yes
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 25 March 2019 17: 59
              0
              Quote: Lelek
              Sad is what I described

              definitely sad from what is and from perspectives.
              Quote: Lelek
              Let’s say Zelensky, the candidate for the rogue oligarch, wins, and here the real brawl begins for the trough

              I believe that applicants for the trough under the hood of the United States and especially will not let them roam. Nobody needs a mess in Ukraine, a controlled, predictable power is needed that will be accountable to the United States hi
      2. Simferopol
        Simferopol 25 March 2019 11: 23
        +2
        Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation believes that the victory of Poroshenko will lead to the collapse of Ukraine

        Since Russia seeks the collapse of Ukraine, then Poroshenko’s victory, further degradation of the Independent and its subsequent collapse are beneficial to us
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 25 March 2019 11: 28
          +1
          Quote: Simferopol
          Since Russia seeks collapse, then Poroshenko’s victory, further degradation of Ukraine and its subsequent collapse are beneficial to us

          Russia seeks the fall of the Nazi regime. And it is not profitable for it to collapse into pieces (except in the very, very western regions), so that then it would not collect bit by bit everything together.
          Have you heard about the Novorossiya project? For now, it has been suspended (postponed), but who knows, perhaps the Russian Federation will not integrate the denationalized Ukraine, but will create a new entity ...
          1. Simferopol
            Simferopol 25 March 2019 12: 56
            +4
            And she is not profitable collapse into pieces

            Beneficial, maybe Russia wants to join at least a part of today's Ukraine. And without decay, how to attach these pieces legally? So Russia seeks the collapse of Ukraine
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 25 March 2019 17: 13
              0
              Quote: Simferopol
              Russia wants to join at least part of today's Ukraine.

              want and can are two different things. For 5 years of infusion into the Crimea 1.5 trillion rubles. The population of Crimea is just over 2 million and there is no end to work there.
              What to do with 20 million (1 \ 2 of Ukraine)?
              The split of Ukraine was calculated back in 2006 - "How to cut a Ukrainian orange"
              If Russia is strong enough and the Kremlin decides to annex part of the traditionally Russian regions to Russia, then its implementation will depend on the will of the "Russian regions" themselves and the reality of support from Russia. Federalization of Ukraine would facilitate such a turn. That is why it does not exist, it may not be.
            2. Egor53
              Egor53 25 March 2019 17: 24
              +2
              If you split Galicia from Ukraine, and rename the rest, to New Russia and Little Russia, then they will calmly become part of the Russian Federation. Galicians can not be allowed into Russia under any guise. I know this audience well - they have an extremely disgusting mentality.
        2. oldzek
          oldzek 25 March 2019 11: 57
          +1
          Russia does not benefit from the collapse of Ukraine! Russia needs friends and allies along the perimeter of the border! The collapse of Ukraine is just the least evil. IMHO
        3. 210ox
          210ox 25 March 2019 12: 55
          +1
          No, the collapse of Ukraine is not beneficial for Russia. The destruction of Bandera is beneficial for us.
        4. New Year day
          New Year day 25 March 2019 17: 03
          -1
          Quote: Simferopol
          Tk Russia seeks the collapse of Ukraine

          I don’t think so. What to do with all this?
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 25 March 2019 12: 28
        -4
        Quote: Separ DNR
        In addition, Patrushev is not empty, please note.

        Yes Patrushev well done, his son was attached by the Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation
        1. Charik
          Charik 25 March 2019 15: 47
          0
          show where when and how
        2. Egor53
          Egor53 25 March 2019 20: 05
          0
          Thus, agriculture in Russia is developing very quickly, faster than in any country in Europe.
      4. tomket
        tomket 25 March 2019 13: 29
        0
        Quote: Separ DNR
        Saying a person whose post obliges you to know what is inaccessible to others. Apparently this is not blah blah blah.

        Oh, this sacred knowledge ....
        Quote: Separ DNR
        In addition, Patrushev is not empty, please note. Once said, then there is something in it.

        We have every second in the government, including the president, not empty, but they are not dolphin oracles to broadcast the future.
      5. New Year day
        New Year day 25 March 2019 16: 47
        -1
        Quote: Separ DNR
        Once said, then there is something in it.

        this is a vaccination against cheating Poroshenko in the elections. It is clear that they read Russian resources in Ukraine. And Poroshenko has practically no chance to win "garlic"
      6. senima56
        senima56 25 March 2019 18: 43
        0
        So let's see the "chatterbox" or not? And then something has recently been too much "chatterbox" divorced! And it would be okay "of local significance", but those in power were "empty talkers." Stalin used to send such people to felling, and now they are being transferred from position to position ...
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 25 March 2019 11: 04
      0
      Poroshenko will be elected - the third Maidan will begin and Ukraine will end. winked
      1. snucerist
        snucerist 25 March 2019 11: 24
        +2
        Um ...
        As for the Maidan, the version has the right to life. Most Ukrainians have long ago figured out Poroshenko, and his cries at every step are "Glory to Ukraine!" no one is convinced anymore.
        By the way, for the Kremlin, Poroshenko is the most convenient option.
        For under him again there will be no reforms, but only their imitation. Again nepotism, corruption, bribery will flourish in a double color.
        Consequently, the standard of living of the people will only decline. That will enable the Kremlin to poke a finger once again - that’s what Maidans are doing.
        The second Poroshenko is 5 more years lost for Ukraine.
        However, it is possible that Ukrainians are smart enough to choose the same Tymoshenko.
        At least she openly pointed to the country's main enemy. This is an oligarchy. It is with him that you need to fight in the first place.
        And do not become its head, as Poroshenko did.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 25 March 2019 11: 25
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Poroshenko will be elected - the third Maidan will begin and Ukraine will end. winked

        She already will break up, even with Poroshenko, even without him. Society is divided into nationalities, language and faith, into supporters of Europe, the USA and Russia, those who support and oppose the junta, those who are for the war and those who are against. Separatist sentiments in Transcarpathia and in the Lviv region are gaining momentum. Economic growth is not expected, and its further decline will lead to a deterioration in the situation of the entire population, without exception. There is no recipe for that glue that sticks together the Ukrinian statehood and society.
      3. Marconi41
        Marconi41 25 March 2019 11: 27
        -1
        Quote: siberalt
        Poroshenko will be elected - the third Maidan will begin and Ukraine will end. winked

        Maybe so, or maybe they will choose Zelensky and Poroshenko in the first round and the Maidan will begin. Both the Yuli’s readership and Natsik will subscribe for which both of these candidates are not desirable.
      4. Major_Vortex
        Major_Vortex 25 March 2019 13: 07
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Poroshenko will be elected - the third Maidan will begin and Ukraine will end.

        there has never been any "Maidan" in Ukraine. People were paid and taken - it's like an excursion to Kiev for the organizer's money, also with hourly pay. Galicians were happy to go to support the Russophobic oligarchs. Suckers on the ears have been rolling for 5 years, that, supposedly, "the people will gather." The people survive, and the majority in Ukraine do not even go to the polls, because they do not understand the varieties of G.V.N.
        Just as Russians look at these abnormal - the same way Ukrainians look at these abnormal. A picture for television does extras on the salary of Ukrainian oligarchs. Actors are brought in, put on masks / give placards in their hands and are shot for television. Channels belong to the same oligarchs, and making a picture is not a problem at all.
        But how easy it is to play off a single people in the past, accusing all Ukrainians of supporting Poroshenko and his gang. It's like blaming all Russians for supporting Yeltsin when he was breaking up the country, and poking his nose constantly - you get the enemy.
      5. tomket
        tomket 25 March 2019 13: 29
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Poroshenko will be elected - the third Maidan will begin and Ukraine will end.

        What a fright then?
  2. Vovad
    Vovad 25 March 2019 10: 23
    -7
    This means that thanks to the victory in the Poroshenko elections in 1914, Ukraine did not break up, and if someone else wins in the upcoming elections, then the option of the collapse of Ukraine will again become possible.
    1. KAV
      KAV 25 March 2019 10: 35
      +8
      Quote: Vovad
      thanks to the victory in the election of Poroshenko in 1914

      Sorry ... In what year ??
      Quote: Vovad
      Ukraine did not fall apart

      I apologize ... And Crimea, and LDNR? Not split up, speak? Oh well.
      1. Стена
        Стена 25 March 2019 10: 50
        -1
        De jure did not break up. In fact, something broke away, something in limbo.
        1. KAV
          KAV 25 March 2019 10: 59
          +3
          Quote: Wall
          De jure did not break up.

          Well yes. Looking from which side to look. But de jure in this case does not play any role. For, de facto, this happened, irrevocably.
          1. Стена
            Стена 25 March 2019 11: 05
            -1
            I would like it to be de facto in full. First, let all our large companies begin to function in Crimea without regard to sanctions, and Putin open a residence, for example, in Yalta, and spend his time, as in Sochi, and invite foreign guests there.
            1. Marconi41
              Marconi41 25 March 2019 11: 30
              0
              Quote: Wall
              and Putin will open a residence, for example in Yalta, and spend his time, as in Sochi, and invite foreign guests there.

              Well, even guests from China will not go there, thereby providing food for spiteful critics both inside and outside the country. Do you think it will be better?
              1. Стена
                Стена 25 March 2019 11: 41
                0
                Well, we are telling Crimea that it is a full-fledged subject of the Russian Federation. And we must confirm this with our actions at every step. And it turns out that Crimea is Russia, but not quite. And then after all, someone will say something wrong. And so we ourselves confirm that Crimea is not exactly Russia.
                1. KAV
                  KAV 25 March 2019 20: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Wall
                  Well, we are telling Crimea that it is a full-fledged subject of the Russian Federation. And we must confirm this with our actions at every step.

                  Now, even if you took away another woman’s wife, whom the husband mocked and spread rot, you should not immediately advertise her to the whole world. Well, she is yours. Enough for now. There is no need to harass her ex-husband. Live calmly for several years. You see, her children will slowly consider you as their father. No need to climb into the TV tower and scream from there about your successes, inviting all the neighbors to feast on the victory, given the fact that most of the neighbors are terribly afraid of her ex-husband.
          2. snucerist
            snucerist 25 March 2019 12: 59
            -8
            Um ...
            What does de jure not play?
            What is playing? Own Wishlist? So few who want what.
            Throughout the civilized world, it is customary to adhere to international agreements and treaties. And if Russia didn’t give a damn about some of them, then you need to keep quiet about it, and not flaunt it and boast about it.
            De jure Crimea according to all international documents (including the UN documents) - occupied territory. And Russia is recognized by them as the aggressor.
            Yes, Russia can think differently. But few people care about this in the world.
            1. axiles100682
              axiles100682 25 March 2019 14: 19
              +3
              De jure Golan Syrian, de facto they are controlled by Israel. De jure Kosogorom Serbian de factors a separate state. For the Golan and Kosogorom who is more outraged? Those who are lost are right. Let the Ukrainians and worry, and tearing hairs in tears.
            2. 79807420129
              79807420129 25 March 2019 14: 31
              +2
              Quote: snucerist
              . But few people care about this in the world.

              Russia is also little worried about hohlohototelki and who got it
              Quote: snucerist
              Throughout the civilized world, it is customary to adhere to international agreements and treaties.

              Oh yeah nudanai, sing a little light do not be ashamed, tell me more about the heroic raid under the Kerch bridge, how dill complied with international law.
              Quote: snucerist
              Throughout the civilized world, it is customary to adhere to international agreements and treaties. And if Russia didn’t give a damn about some of them, then this should be kept quiet

              Series two, tell Kubatik this to Washington, they quietly sit quietly, only Gaddafi, Hussein is no longer laughing, well, you Washington have you, but you get stronger. Oh well.
    2. Antares
      Antares 25 March 2019 11: 28
      +1
      Quote: Vovad
      This means that thanks to the victory in the election of Poroshenko in 1914, Ukraine did not fall apart.

      did not break up, because they fought in the fields of Galicia and V. Prussia.
      And Poroshenko was still in the project laughing
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 March 2019 10: 24
    +8
    Is our leadership so sick that Ukraine will disintegrate or not. The faster it breaks up, the better. Part of the territory will go to Russia, part of Hungary, Romania and Poland. The Ukronazists will remain on a small scrap where, if necessary, they can be suppressed.
    1. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 25 March 2019 10: 47
      +5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Part of the territory will go to Russia, part of Hungary, Romania and Poland.

      That’s how it will end and everyone understands it, and the great Ukrainians will make legends about the great country that suffered the fate of Atlantis ... crying
  4. VB
    VB 25 March 2019 10: 28
    +3
    Why does Poroshenko have an operating business in Russia? Why does Russia supply Banderstadt with fuel and gas, Sberbank and VTB are operating, trading for insane amounts is being conducted, and the TV channels are full of Bandera supporters who are directly biting Russia? The President of Russia admits the murder of RUSSIANS in the Donbass. I would like to ask, and for whom are the rulers of Russia? Whose policy are they pursuing?
    1. sauvage
      sauvage 25 March 2019 10: 56
      +4
      This once again confirms that the bureaucrats sitting in Moscow and Kiev serve the same master. Otherwise, the 2014 elections would not have been recognized, all relations with an openly hostile state that blames only Russia for all sins would have been terminated. Modern Ukraine is like a sick man grumbling with poisonous saliva, a kind of dystrophic provoking a fight with a knowingly strong adversary who knows that he can not stand even one blow. Poroshenko’s victory means five more years of humiliation and the continuation of the fratricidal war.
      1. ghby
        ghby 25 March 2019 11: 01
        0
        Quote: sauvage
        This once again confirms that the bureaucrats sitting in Moscow and Kiev serve the same master.

        this once again confirms that politics cannot be white or black, it is gray.
    2. tomket
      tomket 25 March 2019 13: 32
      +1
      Quote: VB
      The President of Russia admits the murder of RUSSIANS in the Donbass. I want to ask, for whom are the rulers of Russia? Whose policies are they pursuing?

      We have the power of capital, and the president is a representative of the ruling class, whose main interests are profit-making. Did you not know?
  5. Стена
    Стена 25 March 2019 10: 30
    +6
    It’s better to keep silent, let Poroshenko win and Ukraine break up. In this case, you can solve the problem of Donbass.
  6. GKS 2111
    GKS 2111 25 March 2019 10: 34
    +6
    "Patrushev believes that Poroshenko continues to be a candidate who is primarily beneficial to the United States."
    But does anyone think otherwise ...? Sensation! The open secret is revealed. smile
    1. Стена
      Стена 25 March 2019 10: 44
      +2
      Yes, there all the main applicants are proteges of the United States, and not just Poroshenko. Those are the conclusions from the Secretary of the Security Council.
  7. axiles100682
    axiles100682 25 March 2019 10: 36
    +7
    I don’t understand, is he worried about the integrity of Ukraine or something? As for me, the collapse and division of Ukraine is still not a bad option.
    RS.Do not just say that why do we need these parasites and this territory. With good management and not catastrophic investments, everything can be restored and profit can be achieved in three to four years.
    1. Стена
      Стена 25 March 2019 10: 46
      +1
      As they say, it’s better to lose the ruble now than ten then.
    2. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 25 March 2019 10: 58
      0
      Quote: axiles100682
      everything can be restored and in three or four years to profit.

      There, all the infrastructure in the dust is worn out! sad
      1. Стена
        Стена 25 March 2019 11: 45
        +1
        After the Great Patriotic War, the entire European part of the country was in ruin (in the full sense of the word) and nothing our ancestors restored it, but they could also reason like you. When you take out a mortgage, you deny yourself a lot, but you know that this will serve you and your children later.
        1. Qwertyarion
          Qwertyarion 25 March 2019 11: 50
          0
          Quote: Wall
          and nothing of our ancestors restored it, but could also reason like you

          I am not opposed to restoration, I really doubt the terms of 3-4 years, therefore I wrote about the deterioration of infrastructure in ruin.
    3. tomket
      tomket 25 March 2019 13: 33
      0
      Quote: axiles100682
      I do not understand, is he worried about the integrity of Ukraine or what?

      Well - respected partners after all ....
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  9. akudr48
    akudr48 25 March 2019 10: 44
    -2
    These are empty dreams.

    It would be better if he gave a forecast about the career of his talented (genius) son Dmitry, the Minister of Agriculture, which will be in a couple of years.

    Another reason for the hope of sofa patriots for the collapse of Ukraine.
    But there is hope, and there is no collapse yet, probably because Gazprom has already promised Kiev joint operation of the pipe.
    Forgetting that just the same Gazprom was giving up the pipe just yesterday.

    Better to coordinate the words, one clown says - she will fall apart, and another such clown says - we will not let her fall apart!

    This is how the foreign policy of a country that is already kneeling, where our leader among all leaders, is the leader ...
    1. axiles100682
      axiles100682 25 March 2019 10: 58
      0
      Isn’t there a collapse? Isn’t the collapse of the territories under the control of the central government a collapse? The collapse comes from 2014go.
      Quickly, only cats are kittens, but kittens are born blind.
      1. tomket
        tomket 25 March 2019 13: 34
        0
        Quote: axiles100682
        Isn’t there a collapse? Isn’t the collapse of the territories under the control of the central government a collapse? The collapse comes from 2014go.
        Quickly, only cats are kittens, but kittens are born blind.

        Under Yeltsin, in general, it turned out we had feudal fragmentation.
        1. axiles100682
          axiles100682 25 March 2019 14: 04
          +1
          There was collapse and territories fell away. It was just that there were forces in Russia and a man who was able to stop the collapse and the collapse of Russia into the principalities. (Yes, I’m writing about Putin, he did it.) In Ukraine, there’s such a force and such a person.
          1. tomket
            tomket 25 March 2019 14: 14
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            Quote: axiles100682
            There was collapse and territories fell away. It was just that there were forces in Russia and a man who was able to stop the collapse and the collapse of Russia into the principalities. (Yes, I’m writing about Putin, he did it.) In Ukraine, there’s such a force and such a person.

            Let's look at things objectively. What distinguishes Ukraine from Russia 1999 year? In my opinion - nothing. In 1999, too, nothing foreshadowed the appearance of Putin on the political arena. If you remember, there were solid Bezyuzovsky, Khodorkovsky, and others, others ...
        2. kiu
          kiu 25 March 2019 14: 29
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          Quote: tomket
          under Yeltsin, in general, feudal fragmentation turned out to be.

          Fragmentation has nothing to do with the term "feudalism". "Feudalism" is a certain way of managing (one of several), based on the prevailing type of property.
          But yes, yes, you are right, in the time of Yeltsin there was a nascent feudalism.
  10. Mouse
    Mouse 25 March 2019 10: 51
    +2
    here violet who will win there ... horseradish radish is not sweeter ...
    1. Krilovchanin
      Krilovchanin 25 March 2019 11: 02
      +1
      How to say ... There are too many radicals, these radicals have weapons, and the aligarchs have money and ambitions ... In other cases, it may even break out ...
  11. Krilovchanin
    Krilovchanin 25 March 2019 11: 00
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    I think so, in the event of Poroshenko’s defeat, we must wait for the next Maidan, but only more radical and with great casualties. He very much loses in case of loss ...
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf 25 March 2019 11: 16
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      Who will give money for the next "Maidan"? Without money, he will not.
      1. Krilovchanin
        Krilovchanin 25 March 2019 12: 02
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        He himself will give. In case of defeat, he loses much more ...
    2. tomket
      tomket 25 March 2019 13: 36
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      Quote: Krilovchanin
      I think so, in the event of Poroshenko’s defeat, we must wait for the next Maidan, but only more radical and with great casualties. He very much loses in case of loss ...

      Sorry, but who needs the Maidan? Who will pay for it? West? Well, both Zelensky and Poroshenko are quite manageable. Do you think that the West will arrange the Maidan against itself?
  12. Nord2015
    Nord2015 25 March 2019 11: 00
    +1
    Yes, and let it fall apart. Maybe this is their way of development. And then heal, as in Switzerland, well, or France. Why should I feel sorry for them and persuade them.
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 25 March 2019 11: 06
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      Quote: Nord2015
      Yes, and let it fall apart. Maybe this is their way of development. And then heal, as in Switzerland, well, or France. Why should I feel sorry for them and persuade them.

      Switzerland-France will not work. The mentality is different. It is not necessary to feel sorry for them. They arranged it for themselves.
  13. gurzuf
    gurzuf 25 March 2019 11: 07
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    Quote: Vovad
    This means that thanks to the victory in the election of Poroshenko in 1914, Ukraine did not fall apart.

    How didn’t it break up? Although ... if we assume that all not split up, then - I agree.
  14. axiles100682
    axiles100682 25 March 2019 11: 11
    +1
    The basics remained. They didn’t restore it. The Nikolaev shipyards would be very useful now. Port Odessa is working. Motor Sich is still working. There is something left from Antonov. and the Transnistrian issue would be resolved.
    1. tomket
      tomket 25 March 2019 13: 39
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      Quote: axiles100682
      Kharkov Tractor Tot

      But who gave this Kharkov tractor. We had about ten such tractors, which somehow reached the middle of the 2000's and then died safely, drank by effective managers, to high-profile promises and statements by senior managers, as was the case with ZiL.
  15. gurzuf
    gurzuf 25 March 2019 11: 12
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    Quote: VB
    And why

    Why, why, as if you yourself do not know - capitalism however, but as the classic said - capitalist for 300 percent. arrived and his mother will not spare, but then some kind of people-beggars-beggars.
  16. Simferopol
    Simferopol 25 March 2019 11: 22
    +1
    Ruin rip
  17. Marconi41
    Marconi41 25 March 2019 11: 35
    -1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    The faster it breaks up, the better

    Yes, no better! Then the armed division on our borders will begin. there are those who will ask for help from us and from the west. Which is better? Here we are writing about LDNR, and there is a border with customs between them. Unity is not unfortunately.
  18. Стена
    Стена 25 March 2019 11: 51
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    So-so, of course, the source of TC Nezygar.
    "Four special flights (3 Ministry of Defense and 1 US Department of State) arrived in Kiev early on Saturday morning. A total of 410 people arrived, all of them employees of the US services, who were seconded to Ukraine for a period of 90 days to organize the electoral and post-electoral process. Their main task is - to keep the Power and all its institutions ... ". The enemy does not sleep.
  19. Junior Private
    Junior Private 25 March 2019 11: 56
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    Quote: axiles100682
    The basics remained. Not so restored.

    This means that Ukrainians will need to be fed all this time. Does Russia need it? There are enough of their financial and other problems. And for the independence, it will be necessary to deal with their accumulated loans, which is not easy.
    Quote: axiles100682
    Nikolaev shipyards would be very useful now. Port Odessa is functioning. Motor Sich is still working. There is something left from Antonov. Kharkov Tractor is the same. The NPP is all in order

    Can you imagine how much money there will have to be rolled in to make it more or less profitable?
    1. Стена
      Стена 25 March 2019 12: 05
      +1
      Well, if you don’t think only in momentary profit, then all this will pay off handsomely. Moving the military infrastructure closer to the adversary so that his nerves shake. Good climate, fertile land, good geographical location for logistics, educated and close people to us, etc. etc.
    2. tomket
      tomket 25 March 2019 13: 45
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      Quote: Junior Private
      But does Russia need it?

      Russia generally has little to do, it is desirable that the MKADOM should limit everything, and the rest somehow existed.
      Quote: Junior Private
      Can you imagine how much money there will have to be rolled in to make it more or less profitable?

      Pull money somewhere? Yes, you are crazy? What would an effective manager somewhere that tumbled money?
    3. axiles100682
      axiles100682 25 March 2019 14: 10
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      I imagine. And I perfectly imagine that this money will be accumulated in the interior of the country. There will be jobs, salaries, industry workload and ultimately all this will be built for Russia, and for us it will make a profit.
  20. musorg
    musorg 25 March 2019 11: 56
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    He cannot have victory. This will be a forgery.
  21. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 25 March 2019 12: 22
    +3
    I disagree. The majority of its inhabitants, for one reason or another, still have a strong belief that, alone, they can become no worse than Switzerland and dig a new sea for themselves. I don’t believe in the prevalence of common sense in the minds of the inhabitants of the "square" in the near future. The maximum is an increase in khataskrayniks, but there is simply no one to stand up against the radicals there.
  22. RUSS
    RUSS 25 March 2019 12: 30
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    Ukraine is not a tenant in the current state of borders and a point.
    1. tomket
      tomket 25 March 2019 13: 40
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      Ukraine is not a tenant in the current state of borders and a point.

      From about the 2014 year, everyone is waiting for us when Ukraine will disintegrate by itself, and so far there has been nothing to do with it ....
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    1. axiles100682
      axiles100682 25 March 2019 14: 23
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      Funny.
  24. Charik
    Charik 25 March 2019 15: 43
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    if the bucket is victorious, tear to pieces to the last (that is, to take away those areas that agree to join the DPR, LPR-read Russia) otherwise June 22 is at hand (drive to the Carpathian mountains so that the Poles-Romanians-Hungarians gobble them up)
  25. Greg l
    Greg l 25 March 2019 16: 57
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    It will not break up. They won’t work all early. Feed from it is necessary. But you need it. Feed the bandits
  26. nekromonger
    nekromonger 25 March 2019 20: 07
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    We have been hearing this for so many years that Ukraine is about to fall apart, but it is all the same.
  27. LeonidL
    LeonidL 26 March 2019 00: 03
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    "The Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation believes that Poroshenko's victory will lead to the disintegration of Ukraine" ... so maybe it is not worth interfering with such a good deed?
  28. koshmarik
    koshmarik 26 March 2019 17: 50
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    One of the most informed officials of the Russian Federation, Patrushev, on the one hand, believes that after the victory of Poroshenko, whose victory is hardly doubted, he believes that Ukraine will break up, on the other, that Poroshenko continues to be a candidate who is primarily beneficial to the United States, and Americans need not the collapse of Ukraine, but a powerful anti-Russian outpost - that’s the scratch after this turnip.