Do you need an orbit, do you need an orbit?

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Alas, unfortunately, after many, I have to admit that the level of readers of the Military Review is not the same. And not a cake. If literally some five years ago, fierce battles were fought, examples were cited, a couple of articles could be read at least in the comments to the articles, but today everything is simple. “Author, go to school! Hydrogen is heavy, it will go down, and there will be no explosion! ”Or even simpler, at the single-cell level:“ Don't cry, we will succeed. ”

That's about you, who succeed, we'll talk.



Do you need an orbit, do you need an orbit.



No, it is clear that you need an orbit. There you will be dissecting on your sofas and expressing your only and infallible opinion from cosmic heights. Shouting "Urya" to the whole world (in the long term to the entire Solar System) and approving another promise of Rogozin about landing on Titan.

Apple trees on Mars will already be blooming by then, and the Moon will look like cheese, because from it caravans with rare-moon minerals will follow.

Everything, of course, will be exclusively in the hands of Roscosmos and Rogozin, which by that time will have brought order everywhere and sued all the media that criticize it.

But let's try at least once in the head not to eat, but to think? Well, in terms of the experiment? Weak? Yes, I know that weakly ...

Well, we will not expose patriotic brains to such violence, but with clever people we will think about this.

Year 2024 th ... Rubicon.

No, Putin’s next election victory has nothing to do with it, as they say, this is an axiom ... I'm about a friend. About the possible delimitation of Russia and the rest of the world in space.

As I wrote in the previous article, this can happen. And our partners will say - we will now work here ourselves, you have not hung here.

Very unpleasant moment. Already today, Russian cosmonauts conduct 95% of their scientific research in foreign laboratory units. "Columbus", "Kibo", "Destiny" - all this is not our economy, as it were.

I will reveal a “terrible” such secret: that is why the number of Russian astronauts has been reduced from three to two people. They, poor fellows, have nowhere to work there. All places in the European, Japanese and American modules are occupied! Europeans, Japanese and Americans.

And just because the air squish ... It will be expensive, to be honest.

And such a turn from the gate (more precisely, from scientific modules) can be.

It is clear that now our patriotic patriots are screaming. Say, we are right now undock and our ka-ak bungle! The whole world will shudder and become envious.

Well, let's throw our heads and look into the cosmic distance, where the common ISS is still cutting circles.

There is such a “Russian” segment in the ISS. I'll arrange a virtual tour for him now.

No.0. "Dawn". The first module from which the ISS started in general in 1998.

20 has been working there for years. Two solar batteries, six rechargeable nickel-cadmium batteries for energy storage, 24 medium and 12 small engines for adjusting the spatial position, two large engines for orbital maneuvers. 16 tanks mounted outside the module can contain up to 6 tons of fuel. Three connecting nodes.

But all this, although it bears a Russian name, and it seems to be considered the Russian segment ... is the property of NASA. For it was built (albeit firmly) on American money. And they will not give it to us. Therefore, the number zero. For not ours.

No.1. The service module "Star", it is just a residential module.

Includes all systems required for operation as an autonomous habitable spacecraft and laboratory. It allows the crew of three astronauts to be in space, for which there is a life support system and an electrical power plant on board, personal rest cabins, medical equipment, exercise equipment for exercise, a kitchen, a table for eating, and personal hygiene. In the service module there is a central station control station with monitoring equipment.



In general, the “Star” was supposed to become the basis for the new Russian station after “Peace”, but it was not lucky.

No.2. "Pier".



Docking module. For the reception of ships and the exit-entrance of astronauts into open space. A very useful thing in the household.

No.3. “Search”, which is also a small research module (MIM-2).



In general, this is all the same docking module, with the same functions as the "Pierce", only newer. And yes, this is a very small research module. Because there you can install a certain amount of scientific equipment and try to investigate something.

How rich is science there - judge by the photo.

No.4. Breaking Dawn, a small research module (MIM-1).



Again, a docking station with a water treatment and regeneration unit added. As far as he research, I will not judge. Everything in the photo.

Everything seems to be on this ... One residential module and three docking modules. Which can be used as warehouses, there is where to process the urine into the water, you can take a transport ship or with a crew, go into outer space and, importantly, go back.

Where is science? Actually, for what the whole garden is orbital and is being built? By the way, you should pay attention to how MIM 1 and 2 and the “Star” are rich in portholes for visual observations or photographing ...

A "Science" on earth ...

Do you need an orbit, do you need an orbit?


Then we have a very funny detective begins.

Patriotic comrades will start poking Roscosmos plans in my face. We will now launch it, dock it, and begin to live, be happy and make good! Let's start our studies, experiments and everything else. And everyone else will be jealous.

Good. Let's say. Suppose it is possible in principle.

But what are the nuances begin ...

All the hopes and promises of our kosmochninnikov boil down to the fact that "we will launch the module" Science "and ..." So what?

And nothing.

"Science" can not break away from Earth. Alas. But let's be thoughtful and piecemeal. So, "Science" is created from 1995 year and can not be created.

In the 2013 year, the module "Science" somehow assembled began to be prepared for launch, but ... The module does not pass the maturity test. Metal shavings were found in the fuel lines.

The module in 2015 was returned back to the Center. Khrunichev, the pipelines were replaced, but in the spring 2017 contamination was found already in the tanks. The tanks were first cleaned, then cut, which is why they ceased to be airtight, that is, they finally destroyed quite complex structures.

In January, Rogozin 2019 announced that the launch was already postponed to 2020 for the year, and the epic with Science is still going on.

After all, tanks are not just gasoline tanks that we are used to, for example, but complex units with a partition in the form of a bellows (accordion) between the fuel component and the pressurized gas.

The bellows, converging and diverging like accordion furs, allows the diaphragm to move inside the tank, which makes it possible to refuel it repeatedly from transport ships already in orbit.



The tanks were made in 80's, nothing was left of the equipment on which they were made, people either have long lived their huge pension, or have already left this world.

What is the fuss about? And without the tanks, the flight would not work. It is necessary to maneuver, it is necessary to adjust the orbit and so on. Wash tanks will not work - the pollution will be removed only in parts. It is possible to replace it, but this means that it will be necessary to disassemble the entire module.

By the way, “Dawn” had the same problems when launching. Because the "Dawn" flew with a set of shortened tanks, they were good at hand. But “Zare” didn’t have to maneuver much, it was caught and corrected with its “Shuttle” hand.

There were a number of attempts to attach tanks of another model, from another ship. Attempts ended in nothing, now it was decided to order in the Lavochkin Scientific-Production Association new tanks and somehow stuff them into the module.

Meanwhile, the heat gives way to all seals, connections, diaphragm. Indeed, since the beginning of the construction of "Science" more than 20 years have passed ...

In general, many smart people come to the conclusion that the "scientific long-term project" led to a stalemate: it is very necessary to run, but absolutely impossible. Since there is no guarantee of safety for the crew.

But this is only half the problem. Then everything goes on the chain. We look further at the plans of "Roskosmos".

1. "The science". Should have flown in 2019, stated in 2020, but there are problems. "Science" was supposed to replace the "Pier", which according to plans will go to junk.

2. "Pier". Universal docking module. On 6 (six) docking nodes. The wharf was ready back in the 2014 year and is still lying in the Energia warehouses, because it has to dock with the Science. And if the latter remains on earth, then the “Jetty” in the cosmos has nothing to do.

Such is the chain: "Star" - "Science" (instead of "Pierce") - "Pier".

Yes, instead of "Science" you can think up, quickly assemble and dock to the "Star" a kind of adapter that allows docking the "Wharf" immediately to the "Star".

The problem is that in this case it will not be possible to use four of the six gateways, side because they will be too close to the station.

The result of this luxurious trishkin caftan is a situation where instead of a module capable of receiving the ship's 4 and one more module (discussed below), we get a luxurious stopper with one docking station.

Stormy applause and shouts of "Hurray!"

3. Scientific and energy module. It is not even worth talking about it yet, since only the body is ready for it. And the future is more than misty, for it should be docked on one of the nodes of the Wharf, which ... I see. We look above, we understand that the space "Lego" has not yet formed.

But there is another consideration about the whole carousel. Personal.

"Science" does not take off. Here, on earth, the launch of this unfortunate module has dozens of opponents. And these are not some hypothetical "enemies of the people", they are specific people who will have to put quite specific signatures on documents indicating that the module is ready for work.

In short, it is those who will be appointed extreme (and we have learned to do it luxuriously at Rogozin) in the event of a fiasco.

A fiasco in the form of a non-working module may well occur. A leaky module in orbit is pretty. Non-working engines (and there are as many of them on the Science as on the Star, because the base is one - FGB) is also not bad.

Therefore, any normal person (and there are even such state-owned corporations), not wanting an extraordinary adventure for his life, will begin to drag out this solemn and sad moment with all his strength - the launch of "Science" into space. For nothing good from this show should not be expected.

Thank God, no one is in a hurry. Did you notice the time gaps? No (naturally)? I'll repeat.

2013 year. The assembled module "Science" failed acceptance testing.

2015 year. The module was returned back to the Center. Khrunichev, pipelines replaced.

2017 year. It did not help, the dirt was found already in the tanks.

2019 year. The tanks were cut, cleaned, brewed, ditched completely.

Evaluated the speed of response to the problem? And what is the dynamics of work? We continue?

2021 year. NPO Lavochkina manufactures a new set of tanks.

2023 year. The Khrunichev Center, distracting from the construction of a new wonder-building, inserts tanks into place.

2025 year. "Science" is ready to start.

Well, in the 2026 year, if nothing happens, just the module can be run. One problem, how much resource will remain in the "Stars"? And will he stay at all? 26 years in space is not a joke ...

Yes, there’s no need to talk about the reputation of Roscosmos, our business is internal, so to speak, but ... I repeat the question: where is science? Where is the opportunity for independent work?

A dummy in orbit with the possibility of three people living in it is a very dubious waste of billions, isn't it? Not? Okay…

Sad story "Science" parades a very difficult problem. It turns out that we really degraded to the level of the 60s of the last century, and today we simply cannot even repeat what was created by 40 years ago.

And "Science" may well replenish the ranks of "gone to nowhere" of our "Energy" and the American "Saturn", for example.

But our competing partners are moving ahead. This is a fact, hell, this is a very unpleasant fact. And we have a solid drool in the monitor and the cries of "we can all!"

Oh yeah. We can definitely. Putin himself said that we really need a national orbital station.

And there is such a project. NOS Russia. And forgive, what this nose will consist of?

Opanki, and the faces of all the familiar ...

All the same "Science", "Berth", NEM. Here they are, in full force. Well, plus you can still add the junk that dangles when the ISS.

The luxurious nose we have in 2024 will be! Everyone is jealous!

Heart: "Star" (25 years) and "Science" (28 years)! The latest developments that have no analogues in the world! Hooray!!! # we thought and all that.

Everything else: Pierce (23 of the Year), Search (15 Years), Breaking Dawn (14 Years), Jetty (10 Years).

You know, something like the situation with aircraft carriers. An aircraft carrier is an instrument of pressure and pressure among Americans. weapon, all others - the subject of prestige. Type to have an aircraft carrier - cool to horror.

This is the same “cool”, like the ancient, smoking, not capable of fighting “Admiral Kuznetsov” for anything, we may have in orbit.

Yes, collected in landfills, but - his own. Originally Russian. Maybe even Americans “Zarya” on the cheap will give way, to her in 2024-m all the 26 years will be, so the old woman will work ...

Beauty, right?

But this is all only if, as I said, “Science” and everything connected with it will fly.

It is unpleasant, gentlemen, hurray-patriots? Here too. We have degraded. To the level of space cabs and sortirostroiteley. Alas, this is a fact.

Moreover, the positions of cab drivers run away from under us, which our Roskosmos has recently indulged in directly.

Well, at least the Americans have not mastered space toilets. There is something to earn. 19 million for one kosmounitaz. Strength!

And here you have the prospect of a “national program” - to hang out in space at the station, assembled from ancient modules, which it is not clear how long they will work. New? Dismiss, let Rogozin master the launch of "Science", then we'll see.

In the meantime, I’m looking at what’s on the ISS, what they will stay with and what they will be renting out, so forgive me, there “Kibo”, “Columbus” and “Destiny” are the three more. There is where to turn around in terms of work, even without us. Moreover, without us. Without us, there you can and military secrets to do in full.

Or pass, for example, as planned, the Mask, which, being a stupid man, realized that it is more profitable to assemble an interplanetary ship in orbit, the benefit of cranes and manipulators there is now enough. And there will be workers.

The whole question is that we remain at the old trough, from which it is unlikely that something valuable can be squeezed out. Maintain the illusion of a cool space power? Well, yes ... No more than that.

Today’s day clearly makes it clear that Roskosmos, in the form in which it exists (the best term for characterizing the moment), is not suitable for anything other than grinding trillions of rubles under the bravura statements of Mr. Rogozin.

There will be no moon station. There are no prerequisites for its creation.

Sorry, we are just unable to make a module for a near-earth station, and here there is a fairy tale moon.

There will be no reusable and interplanetary "Federation", because suddenly such things do not fall from the ceiling. And we still use the Queen's "Unions", changing the computers to more modern ones. Something is not taken from nothing, and I support those who say that the "Federation" is a myth, but in fact it is a cut.

If you do not change the situation radically, then we, of course, will be able to show something there, such as the launch of the satellites Angola, Zimbabwe, Kenya ... In short, those who have no money. On credit, naturally. But no more than that.

And what should be done to make “more than that”?

In fact, here already, in theory, everyone who reads must turn on his brain and come up with something for himself. Such is the essence of the existence of the media, not only to provide ready-made information, but also to encourage one to think. But since this is by no means all of us today, I will voice a few things.

The main thing is that Mr. Putin must nevertheless understand that his tactics of appointing loyal and loyal people to the posts is flawed. Especially with respect to Roscosmos. Rogozin, a journalist, knows nothing about these matters. And the manager is absolutely disgusting.

The best evidence is his dancing with the "East". No matter how much Rogozin shook his fists, no matter how many loud statements he made, in fact we have disgustingly conducted work on the construction of a cosmodrome, looted money and workers' strikes, as confirmation of all the pornography that was going on there.

The country clearly exceeded the critical level of incompetence in responsible posts. They work well only in the sphere of duping the population, but at least somewhere in the world everything is in order. Show your finger - and the "Urya-I-I" rushes over the expanses of Russia, with or without it.

Specifically, Roskosmos should be led by people who understand this. Not populist journalists, like Rogozin, not managers of communications, as already (thank God) the former head of the BAKA, sent from Rostelecom.

Specialists.

Then there is a chance. Small, since the degradation is very noticeable, but there is.

No - and not necessary. Then there are enough loud and beautiful statements that will be supported by approving shouts from the orbit from generalissimos on cosmodivans. In words, we will be the first, the best, all capable. The main thing is not to rock the boat patriotically.

In fact, we will observe the orbital construction of the Chinese, the achievements of Mask and Bezos, Indians, Jews ...

From the board of "its own" station, which will eventually turn into a pile of volatile scrap metal, discussed by one technician. Well, yes, as in the film. The tale is still, but ...



There is some such hint in it.

But in principle, the way they ruin our space industry, crossing out one after the other Soviet achievements, doesn’t bother me much, to be honest. This is the scrap that can not be overwhelmed with a whip. If Putin ordered Rogozin to ruin everything, then so be it.

And then, the achievements that will still be proud for some time are, of course, good. But they stayed there, in the country that no longer exists.

And do not talk here about continuity. I do not see her in space, to be honest. I see the old "Unions", "Progress", "Zenith", which simply work as cab drivers. I somehow do not observe the achievements of Russia.

But most depressing is the fact that every day there are fewer and fewer people who are able to soberly evaluate it. And more and more "patriots" who can only ride and shout loudly on a given topic.

Well, this is also a path of development, I will not argue.

So we go to the interplanetary "Federation", the near-Earth station, the near-moon station, the lunar observatory, the Martian station and other fairy tales with which we have been so generously patching lately.

What if we come?
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  1. -34
    24 March 2019 04: 57
    Alas, unfortunately, following many, I have to admit that the level of readers of Military Review is not the same. And not a cake.


    It looks like "hitting", bordering on an insult ...

    You would be the "author", were like bazaar the Internet, searched MYSELF , other "level" and "quality" readers ...
    1. +68
      24 March 2019 05: 23
      Quote: Separ DNR
      It looks like "hitting", bordering on an insult ...

      Yes, not at all, the site really lost in quality, it used to be more interesting, there were specialists, and now: dURak - durak himself ... and we talked. shkolota and goofy. And Rogozin, after reading the article. will rush to court again ... so hold on, Roman. Yes
      1. +40
        24 March 2019 06: 10
        Excellent article and all our problems are described in detail.
        Earlier I didn’t even argue with the urya-patriots, in the sense that I didn’t explain in detail what is wrong with our space, the meaning of “throwing pearls in front of pigs”? I just gave a link to an interview with Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, cosmonaut and rocket engineer Valery Ryumin:
        https://www.pravda.ru/science/1401371-space/
        1. +53
          24 March 2019 07: 12
          The country clearly exceeded the critical level of incompetence in responsible posts. They work well only in the sphere of duping the population, but at least somewhere in the world everything is in order. Show your finger - and the "Urya-I-I" rushes over the expanses of Russia, with or without it.
          - from article

          The author is right. And this applies not only to Roscosmos, which is led by a journalist. Although, of course, it’s a shame for the Russian space, for the professionals working there, and seeing how their work is being ruined, the work, the prestige of the once advanced space power.
          Take any industry in Russia; regions where the appointees are ruled by incompetent military officers, former members of the special services, or even simple security guards of senior management; State Duma deputies, filled with artists, athletes, sons of popular figures, and just bought mandates from parliamentary parties (which is no secret) - the same everywhere, the ball is ruled by unprofessionalism, incompetence, ignorance.
          And what do we want from their work? Breakthrough, jerk, achievements?
          There will be none of this, only degradation and collapse. Alas, unfortunately.
          1. +2
            27 March 2019 21: 35
            Tear down the country, Space is only part of this process.
        2. +34
          24 March 2019 09: 43
          Quote: Buryi1965
          Excellent article and all our problems are described in detail.

          I read the article and there were thoughts about what I will write in the post. You are ahead.
          Through space. There is nothing to add. The article says it all. Not so long ago, I had the courage to write that our astronauts are just cabmen. I understood it myself, but there was no evidence. The author provided evidence. I wanted to write to the author - respect, but what kind of word is this (?) Therefore - respect to the author, and thanks for the article.
          About the site. Two years ago, when he came to the site, it was much more interesting. And articles and comments. And today the site offers us to discuss what Makarevich said, and what is it that I should discuss his bunch in a puddle? Or, a favorite topic of the local people here, about the mattress-cutting of their budget and what their useless FU-35 is. So, Mrs. Degradation came to visit not only to Roscosmos, but also to VO and, alas, was delayed.
          1. +7
            25 March 2019 10: 19
            You are absolutely right, it is not degradation from Rogozin, it is degradation in society. And it was laid down when it became prestigious to study as an economist and lawyer, and not as an engineer, and the best minds flowed into financial management and litigation, and behind them, looking at their multi-valued salaries, everyone else began to flow. In my youth there was a saying like this: "Are you an economist, lawyer or a sucker?", The conclusions are clear. But since the niche cannot accommodate everyone, there are many unclaimed people with diplomas, who have nothing to be proud of in their lives. So they happily pounced on the chewing gum in the form of "they have even worse there" and "Putin defeated everyone." You just have to go through this when this generation will be replaced by a generation of purposeful people who grew up not on stupid talk shows, "political", and who consider themselves gurus from politics, but people who are ready to build their own lives without looking back "and what they have there "and" what crooks are in the Kremlin. " Until this generation has grown up, we will follow the path of degradation, and it is very difficult to do something about this, and given that the powers that be are satisfied with this, then nothing at all is possible.
          2. +4
            25 March 2019 15: 11
            In the event of a collision, I wonder who will win - 5-10 pieces of super-duper SU-57 aircraft (which have not really been tested) or useless 200-250 pieces of American F-35 that went through local wars?
          3. -3
            26 March 2019 02: 53
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            The article says it all.

            No, not everything, far from everything. It is not said who and how in our astronautics participated in the "lunar scam" and how we came to what is described in the article. Ragozin, for all his shortcomings, is not a traitor)).
            1. +3
              27 March 2019 21: 37
              Boots must stitch the shoemaker
        3. +20
          25 March 2019 11: 42
          Quote: Buryi1965
          Excellent article and all our problems are described in detail.

          Does the author believe that everything is so bad? And "our problems are well described"? In fact, everything is much worse. The third decade has been going on since those who came to power who destroyed the system of quality education, raped science, industry, and perverted moral guidelines in people. I'm afraid the train is gone forever and we are left by the side of the road.
          It's not about Roscosmos: it is only part of a system that cannot be broken anymore. It all starts from school - but the prestige of the teacher has fallen to the limit, they are going to pedagogical universities according to the residual principle - who wants to humiliate their life without respect for aliens for a beggarly salary? And at the exit, we often have illiterate teachers sadly pulling a hated strap, and after them - ignorant schoolchildren who barely know how to write and do not know the multiplication table. The same thing - in universities, a impoverished disenfranchised professor, over each professor a supervisor-official with a much larger salary, requiring daily dismissals. And students who do not receive scholarships, and therefore forced to work, with all the consequences for the quality of education. It was in the “damned scoop” that the student could have survived with a scholarship of 45 rubles and a free hostel, and therefore three skins were torn from him, forcing him to plow.
          But what is the current young professor? This, as a rule, is nothing: if in the “scoop” even the candidate of sciences could be a world-class scientist, then the current doctor is most often mediocrity. I recently read an abstract of such a newly-made “doctor,” and I testify that in the old days with such work, with the defense of a diploma, they would have trampled on a filthy broom. This suggests that the Higher Attestation Commission has rotted, and the institution of academic degrees has become a litter under power. In order not to go far for examples: how can a journalist Rogozin become a doctor of technical sciences in a year or two? But he became the same. All acquaintances Doctor of Technical Sciences from former times, they defended themselves a dozen or two years after the start of a scientific career, and not out of laziness of mind, but because of the specifics of this work, which requires years of experimentation and analysis, lengthy trials, etc. And this question is not only to the Higher Attestation Commission, but also to Rogozin: should a person have a conscience? Or is he simply collecting regalia: a candidate and a doctor of philosophical sciences, a high-ranking diplomat, and now also a doctor of technical sciences? But "there" they are all like that: point a finger at the official - you will fall into the staid "scientist".
          Change such careerists, you say? But on who? Thousands of expensive contests of managers can be held - all the same, key posts will have majors like the son of the same Rogozin. And also, like Alyosha Rogozin, without a specialized education. Who puts them, president? Well, let's change the president in the next election: the candidates will be Medvedev, Chubais, Nabiulina and others like them. The selection field is cleaned, swept out, disinfected, only descendants of bandits from the nineties and their proteges bloom on it.
          Well, a new revolution? Well, I wouldn’t want her in figs, and I don’t want blood, and poverty. Everything will return to square one. The Ukrainians, out there, tried to pay off - and what did they get?
          But even if a reliable education system is created by miracle, they remove chinodrales, give scholarships to students, and cut out malignant tumors like Rusnano and Skolkovo, then it will take years to restore the industry and resuscitate scientific schools. During this time, the Americans and the Chinese will advance in such a way that they will only have to look after and shrug their hands. So, perhaps, there’s no reason to get in the way. We will live out the legacy of the Soviet Union, and then, as the doctor said, to the morgue, then to the morgue.
          Sad to tears.
          1. +3
            25 March 2019 13: 23
            Plus, vehemently. I would be too lazy to write so much about our problems and some offended idiot, Kremlin boat, has flown you over.
            When this is inevitably minus, the question arises: Who? or a scoundrel? But basically, what's the difference?
          2. +3
            25 March 2019 21: 50
            Quote: astepanov
            We will live out the legacy of the Soviet Union, and then, as the doctor said, to the morgue, then to the morgue.

            Nice post. Somewhat depressing, but correct. However, I must note that I cannot fully agree with you. Because, as Manfred von Brauchitsch said: "Without a fight, there is no victory." It is clear that everything is bad, it is clear that Putinism is the end of Russia and our people, but we have to oppose something to these kremlings. The rating is falling not only for Putin, but also for EDRA. The ground will soon begin to stir under their feet, like a swampy abyss. They will have no one to rely on, the people have already begun to reject this power. They constantly increase the propaganda intensity <nightingales tirelessly rushes on radio and TV. Putin is still riding mares, but his voice is already beginning to tremble. Yeltsin's center, like a temple, attracts him to itself, will soon swallow him.
            1. -6
              25 March 2019 21: 55
              Quote: Antique
              Yeltsin center as if a temple attracts him to itself, will soon absorb

              Amen? wink

              Oh ... trouble, trouble trouble (s) laughing
          3. +1
            26 March 2019 13: 35
            Quote: astepanov
            We will live out the legacy of the Soviet Union, and then, as the doctor said, to the morgue, then to the morgue.
            Sad to tears.

            You're right. In almost everything. But after all, in 1918-20, too, everyone waved their hands, no one even climbed into serious pieces, they waited, apparently, when they themselves fell into their hands. And what happened next you know! Then there was a country about which you (and I, too!) Regret it, it was 45, 61! It was your (and millions of others) excellent education, there was a lot more to be proud of! This is me to the fact that maybe not everything is lost, can something else be done? If there are conditions and a will !?
            1. +1
              26 March 2019 17: 12
              Then there were other people, different values ​​than now! Putin with Edro in 1918-20 to Russia and she would become a colony of Germany
            2. +3
              27 March 2019 21: 44
              С these - not! These tasks are not development, but robbery and destruction of the country. And they do it perfectly. Only the will of the people can change this, and legally, in the elections. But for this you need to wake up from the hassle. Is it still not yet realized that we are nothing to them?
              And our country (once ours) is a giant quarry for them, which they gnaw at with a constant acceleration of the process.
        4. -7
          25 March 2019 17: 18
          Quote: Buryi1965
          Excellent article and all our problems are described in detail.

          The article shifts the problem from the sick side to the healthy one. With astronautics everything is in order, problems with science. It is not the rocket scientists' fault that science is "out of trend."
          The author is so sure that it is vitally important to us once again to catch up and overtake America! What for?
          1. +2
            26 March 2019 17: 14
            With space, too, everything is bad! For some reason, Elon Mask is doing well both with science and with rockets, and with Roskosmos, which sits on subsidies from the state, everything is zero !!!
        5. +4
          26 March 2019 01: 23
          The article is super-sober, I would say. Thanks to the author, apparently it’s so painful that a person can no longer be silent.
          1. -3
            26 March 2019 03: 29
            And there are no custom articles ???)))
      2. -19
        24 March 2019 10: 34
        Quote: Dead Day
        the site really lost in quality, it used to be more interesting, there were specialists, and now:

        The article is also far from science and technology, as an author to the cosmos, in fact from here follows the relationship to them, which writers, such and readers.
        1. +9
          25 March 2019 12: 22
          Quote: KOCMOC
          The article is also far from science and technology, as an author to the cosmos, in fact from here follows the relationship to them, which writers, such and readers.

          He calculated 11 grammatical and syntactical errors in the quote (0,64 errors in the word). COSMOS, and you undertake to judge something with such baggage? Do you like cats, sorry for the question? Or do you like elephants more?
          1. +2
            26 March 2019 13: 39
            Quote: astepanov
            He calculated 11 grammatical and syntactical errors in the quote (0,64 errors in the word). COSMOS, and you undertake to judge something with such baggage? Do you like cats, sorry for the question? Or do you like elephants more?

            Intercepted! laughing A citizen with the name of the discussed problem is amazing! Apparently, this is the highest degree of stupidity - peremptory arrogance!
        2. -2
          25 March 2019 15: 16
          Your spelling characterizes a very low level of education.
          1. -3
            26 March 2019 03: 32
            Maybe the person is not from the Russian Federation, here the article aftors are also musing, SHO hair stand on end)))
        3. -1
          27 March 2019 23: 02
          For what there are so many minuses. I completely agree. Which authors, such and readers
      3. -1
        26 March 2019 03: 13
        Yes, recently, like an advertisement slipped about a set of authors on the VO, like that they’ll pick up any according to the announcement)))
    2. +5
      24 March 2019 05: 38
      I agree, the author went too far with the arrivals of readers-commentators. Not all specialists buy for what they sell. Many want to believe in a brighter future. And so the article is interesting. There is something to think about. We’ll wait and see. I would like to know what useful experiments they conduct in foreign modules there?
      1. +10
        24 March 2019 09: 23
        In fact, if you follow what is happening carefully and without emotion, you will notice that priorities have changed in the leadership responsible for defense and for the near-defense industries - it has been decided to replace conventional mass weapons with some kind of "wunderwolf", which, with their minimum number and with limited spending on their production, they will provide (allegedly) "the whole world in dust" ("we will die as heroes, and they will all just die") .... The same thing is happening in Roscosmos now, there is a talk that the traditional cosmonautics is already outdated and does not provide any such breakthrough, compared with the 60s of the last century, and this is with insane spending on it (which, in fact, is true) and it is necessary, they say, to limit ourselves to a minimum of spending in it in order to "be, simply, in the subject ", and throw the main efforts on the search and development of" revolutionary breakthrough "technologies - nuclear engines, anti-gravity and other" space-wunderwaves: that will provide a qualitative breakthrough of Russian cosmonautics and its exit to a completely new the highest level. Now in Roskosmos they are seriously interested in the notorious Leonov engine and other similar "developments", so that now they have no time for "classical" cosmonautics.
        1. -14
          24 March 2019 11: 23
          The priority of Russia in military equipment is this - we build less but more powerful and more efficiently at a lower cost, as for the Leonov quantum engine - Roscosmos requested TK and a working prototype - however, it will not provide any financing for the project and then Leonov evaporated.
          1. 0
            24 March 2019 14: 07
            Well, here, about Leonov's "project" is interesting: https://vpk-news.ru/articles/48903?utm_source=finobzor.ru wink
            1. -3
              24 March 2019 16: 53
              No demonstrator - no project, the rest is all la la la.
        2. +2
          27 March 2019 21: 48
          Aloizych also tried to indulge in these "wunderwaves" at the end of the war. It didn't end well (for him, of course).
    3. +6
      25 March 2019 10: 38
      Quote: Separ DNR
      It looks like "hitting", bordering on an insult ...

      It's just that you are not on the site for long, you have nothing to compare with. Previously, the quality of both articles and comments was much higher.
      That's about the events in Yakutsk last week - not a word.
      1. +10
        25 March 2019 13: 11
        I agree with the author that the overall level of the audience is declining. This is partly due to the fact that the site has become very popular - a lot of dubious personalities have appeared on the site in order to carry out the “necessary policy” in the information field. That's just the level of training of these individuals does not allow talking on equal terms with adult uncles, hence the primitive comments.
        But all this can be corrected. I propose to declare an amnesty on the site - to return all banned members of the forum, regardless of the reason. Among them there are a lot of bright and very erudite specialists. And the real patriots - not screamers, namely patriots. The site will only benefit from this.
        I would be very happy if the site administration read my comment
        1. +1
          25 March 2019 21: 59
          Quote: Reserve officer
          I propose to declare an amnesty on the site - to return all banned members of the forum, regardless of the reason. Among them there are a lot of bright and very erudite specialists.

          Correct thought. Additionally, I would like the site administrators to offer to clearly define the limitations in the wording. For example, "what is an insult, give a list of bad words, that there is a flood, well, just tell me purely, otherwise everything is at the discretion of the moderators. And who are they there, these moderators? Let's talk about bots, which are in great numbers here on the site. What is a bot? Some of them are known, one of them sits a little higher, the whole thing is minified. Let there be a list <and a certain sign. Well, like a stigma. So as not to waste time on empty discussions.
          1. -3
            26 March 2019 03: 45
            Say stigma ??? It's funny, but you do not consider yourself a bot ?? You have through a comment: Putin, Putin, Putin. You can’t think and think anything else)))
            1. +1
              26 March 2019 09: 07
              Quote: loki565
              Say stigma ??? It's funny, but you do not consider yourself a bot ?? You have through a comment: Putin, Putin, Putin. You can’t think and think anything else)))

              Nah! I am not a bot. And Putin, because he, like the Jews, is to blame for everything. If for 20 years he rides at mares with a saber at the ready. Who will answer for the mess, Pushkin or what?
              1. -3
                26 March 2019 09: 08
                For me it was like a mess to Putin)))
                1. 0
                  26 March 2019 11: 59
                  Quote: loki565
                  For me it was like a mess to Putin)))

                  And I agree with that. But the order was obliged to restore and raise the country. And do not give food to friends. Yes, and with devotion to the Yeltsin family, questions arise. And love for Chubais is generally beyond. Well and so on, the list of claims is endless.
                2. 0
                  27 March 2019 21: 52
                  You are right, Putin brought the 90's mess into a well-organized system of robbery and destruction of the country, space programs in particular.
        2. -2
          26 March 2019 03: 37
          But what prevents them from registering a new account? here, in my opinion, many have one-day accounts, with them basically all the negatives pouring.
      2. -4
        25 March 2019 13: 29
        Previously, the quality of both articles and comments was much higher.

        It's funny, I remember, I remember my comments (under a different nickname), for which I was previously minus, but now it is taken for granted and the people themselves 'say a lot of things' (almost swearing) about this.
    4. -4
      27 March 2019 08: 26
      Quote: Separ DNR
      It looks like "hitting", bordering on an insult ...

      You would be an "author", walk around the bazaar on the Internet, search for YOURSELF PERSONALLY, other "level" and "quality" readers ...

      And what did you want from a person who managed to make a mistake in a three-letter word. The simplest Russian combat "URA" he writes as "Urya". The author's "mighty" intellect is immediately felt. And I beg you, do not read Roma Skomorokhov's articles at night. God knows what a "great" thought will come to his unpatriotically "smart" head. Torricelli's emptiness sucks in. wink hi
      Hold on! Respectfully... hi
  2. +22
    24 March 2019 05: 06
    Yes, sadly, but everything seems to be so!
    It is also depressing that apart from the statements of "competent comrades" that in 2030 -2035 Russia will build a manned station on the Moon, there is no official confirmation of the readiness for such a development, scientific, technological and production component.
    A landmark photo ... God, I had no idea that everything was so bad!
    1. +20
      24 March 2019 05: 56
      Quote: Chichikov
      God, I didn’t imagine that everything was so bad!

      And still worse than you thought. In general, the majority of domestic and not very scientists are inclined to believe that it is necessary for the time being to tie up with manned astronautics, and to throw all their strength into robotic space exploration. Because various telescopes and "lunar-mars rovers" do much more in science. Plus, it is much cheaper than sending people into low-earth orbit, weak technologies do not allow simply sending people for further development to other objects. So far, all the talk about colonies on the moon and Mars is just PR for the development of budgets in personal interests, no more!
      1. +2
        24 March 2019 06: 51
        Quote: Mussashi
        God, I didn’t imagine that everything was so bad!

        Yes, this is me about the photo where two of our cosmonauts are examining "where they are"! I just didn't have time to insert from this resource ...
      2. -6
        24 March 2019 09: 48
        Honestly, it would be better to spend this money for "peaceful space" on national security goals: restoration of groups of meteorological and reconnaissance satellites, early warning systems, development of new ICBMs. Yes, for the same hypersound. As for me, Sarmat is more priority than any rover.
        1. +26
          24 March 2019 11: 45
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          As for me, Sarmat is more important than any rover.

          Here he is - a typical jingoistic patriot. "Give me Sarmat, nothing else is needed" Space, education, medical care - aside. Rockets are our everything! Only, as if these Sarmatians with the Daggers turned out to be bullshit. It does not happen that in all industries - oops, and in one - a fairy tale. The state is a kind of organism, and if the "kidneys" or "liver" fail, the whole "body" suffers. And given that the "brain" of our country has grown decrepit, ossified and slowly (slowly?) Falls into insanity - it's a matter of seams. I don’t know how anyone, but it’s obvious to me for a long time: Russia's main enemies are in (article on disrespect for the authorities). They are destroying Russia because of incompetence or purposefully - God knows. But what is being destroyed is beyond doubt.
          Space is the future of humanity. Remember how Tsiolkovsky said: "The Earth is the cradle of humanity, but you cannot stay in the cradle forever." Eh, Konstantin Eduardovich, our bureaucrats, who live only for the sake of "hapka" and theft, feel good in the "cradle". They lie to themselves and suck the juices from Russia. Plus a large mass of rabid cheers-patriots, all fantasies and dreams of which are limited to the thesis "the whole world in dust" and "all of you will die, and we will go to heaven."
          1. -10
            24 March 2019 13: 32
            In general, the Soviet "peaceful space" is a by-product of the military missile program. The famous royal carrier R-7, which brought the satellite, and after the modification and Gagarin, was an ICBM and was designed as a delivery vehicle for nuclear weapons. Oh yes, you have pregnant pensioners there starving! Let's give each starving person a kindergarten for breakfast. Remember: the security of the country comes first, and all these moon rovers and mars jumpers have nothing to do with it.
            1. +9
              24 March 2019 14: 37
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              In general, the Soviet "peaceful space" is a by-product of the military missile program.

              Yes, that's how it began. But this does not mean that it should always be so. It is necessary to produce specialized launch vehicles and space modules. Because the tasks of "zhahnat Washington" and "fly to Mars" are different.
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              Remember: the country's security comes first, and all these moon rovers and Mars jumps have nothing to do with it.

              Space exploration is the same security. Who controls the cosmos - controls the entire planet. Few people want to attack a country that owns advanced space technologies.
              1. +1
                24 March 2019 16: 15
                The question is: why spend money on space exploration when we have practically no space early warning system? When is the GLONASS constellation incomplete? When are reconnaissance satellites with gulkin's nose? Wouldn't it be better to shift funding for these needs. A country that has everything in order with its "military space" will definitely not be attacked. But with the help of a rover, the launch of an enemy's ICBM cannot be tracked in any way, and you cannot issue target designation to an aircraft carrier.
                1. +5
                  24 March 2019 22: 56
                  Then, that the early warning system with this very cosmos is directly connected. And the GLONASS group, as far as I know, is fully equipped. Even with a small margin. We don’t have enough funding anywhere. On Almaty is not enough. The Su-57 is not enough. Space, medicine, education, infrastructure, pensions, science are not enough. Enough for grandiose sporting events and sweet life items for the oligarchy.

                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  A country that has everything in order with its "military space" will definitely not be attacked.

                  Yes, the fact of the matter is that we are not all right with either military or peaceful space. Where in Russia is anything "okay"? Vaughn, the Ragozinsky offspring, thwarted the state defense order. A worthy change is growing, there is nothing to say.
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  But with the help of the rover, you can’t track the launch of the enemy’s ICBM in any way and you won’t give target designation to the aircraft carrier.

                  Really. Anything that somehow does not contribute to tracking ICBMs and transferring target designation to an aircraft carrier - to a landfill! From science we leave only military-applied developments. Let this spotlight and dreamer Musk waste billions.
                2. +1
                  26 March 2019 13: 50
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Why spend money on space exploration when we have virtually no space-based early warning system? When is the GLONASS constellation incomplete? When are reconnaissance satellites with gulkin's nose? Wouldn't it be better to shift funding for these needs. A country that has everything in order with its "military space" will definitely not be attacked.

                  Or maybe in the exploration of outer space the key to the future security of the country will be found? What goals are successfully served by the previous exploration of the near space.
          2. -4
            25 March 2019 17: 22
            Quote: serpent
            Give me a Sarmat, nothing else is needed "Space, education, medical care - sideways. Rockets are our everything! But just, as if these Sarmatians with Daggers turned out to be bullshit.

            You probably do not know what kind of bullshit - Western science. And if someone thinks that the degradation of science is our feature, then he is very mistaken, this is a global trend.
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              1. -2
                26 March 2019 13: 33
                Quote: serpent
                product of Western science (PC and Internet)

                PC and Internet are the fruit of SOVIET science.
                1. 0
                  26 March 2019 22: 27
                  That Internet in which we communicate, the PC from which you write comments - all this is a product of Western (American) science. The configuration, components, architecture of your computer are rooted in Western science. Also the Internet with its protocols. Here are a couple of links for your reference:
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/История_персональных_компьютеров
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/История_интернета
                  Although I have concerns that it is useless for you to prove anything. You have your own view of the world, divorced from reality.
                  1. 0
                    27 March 2019 21: 05
                    Quote: serpent
                    your computer architecture has roots in western science

                    The architecture of American processors was invented by Soviet scientists for the United States, Western science was not around.
                    Quote: serpent
                    The Internet in which we communicate

                    The Russians came up with network technologies, the Americans were able to implement the RUSSIAN idea on a global scale, because they have many more resources.
                    Quote: serpent
                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/История_интернета

                    Is this your evidence?
                    There is no Wikipedia article with the same title.
          3. 0
            25 March 2019 23: 05
            Quote: serpent
            Here he is - a typical cheer patriot

            Stop labeling people, did you like that stupid word? Nobody gave you the right to classify patriots into some other subspecies, mister "not a patriot"!
            1. 0
              25 March 2019 23: 58
              Quote: turbris
              Nobody gave you the right to classify patriots into some other subspecies, mister "not a patriot"!

              Did they give you such rights? Otherwise, why would you classify me as "not a patriot"? Sounds like hypocrisy, doesn't it, Mr. "vague patriot"?
          4. 0
            27 March 2019 23: 17
            There will be security, there will be education. Example, you have the door of the apartment made of cardboard, you buy a telly in the apartment for 100k, a refrigerator for 100k? Or you buy a new door, take care of the security of the apartment - the same door, alarm, various sensors. It is also necessary to poison internal enemies, parasites, rats and cockroaches, you need poison. So it is in a country — defense is the door to a country. If it is none, then it makes sense to do something. Moreover, it is no secret for a long time that many people just want to tear the RF apart. They are just waiting for our slack. And at the first opportunity they will do it. The better weapons we have, the less likely they are to attack us. Do you prefer to have good schools, hospitals, etc. but with the likelihood of hostilities in the Russian Federation, or a minimal risk of war, but with less quality education and medicine? And by the way, why, with a terrible education, our schoolchildren and students constantly take prizes at international competitions in the same physics, chemistry, biology. Programmers just do not have equal? Why is that? And this is not an isolated case. Everyone writes that our education is complete garbage, but the results of the competitions show that our future specialists are the best or some of the best specialists in the world?
        2. +7
          24 March 2019 12: 03
          Not really. Let's make it simpler:

          - There are system problems. For example, a quality problem. Say, if a sensor is hammered into a space rocket with a sledgehammer - and this passes through the acceptance, and then it is opened only in flight with a launch failure and loss of rocket + load. Then where is the guarantee that sensors in Sarmatians or hypersonic missiles also do not clog?

          - there are system technologies. Let's say new generations of engines / their elements. New electronics. New materials. They are tied to each other. It is trite if Beck prints his rocket engine on an 3d printer - and you are building a similar engine using 60's technology. Who will win mass production? Where is less marriage (and man / instrumental work = this is a key factor in the emergence of marriage today)?
        3. +1
          25 March 2019 15: 23
          Well, yes, all around are enemies who dream of conquering Russia. And why should they fight if most Russian companies are under their control or control? And the earned currency is displayed in Western banks or finished semi-finished products. For example, aluminum, in the production of which Russians scribble and still pollute their nature. Where else will they get such a margin?
      3. +14
        24 March 2019 10: 29
        Yes, there is only a moment:
        - there is a demand for an orbital scientific program. However, more flexibility is needed. That is, cheaper delivery of equipment, collection of a larger volume of materials and equipment, more volumes and conditions for conducting experiments at the station, and most importantly facilitating access for scientists. New spacecraft (DragonCrew and Starliner) allow passengers with zero flight training to be transported to the 3 station in a NASA-certified version. That is, it is necessary to reduce the cost of the process + to deliver more scientists with tourist space training + to facilitate the rotation of equipment.

        - deep space, only AMCs are most effective. Mars is politics and PR right now. You can collect the maximum research pool by robots. Moon +/- also. However, the last AMC to complete the program was Vega. Compared to the West, Russia is simply in the Neolithic and is not going to leave it. Nothing like Cassini, New Horizons, Juneau, SolarParkerProbe, Rosetta, Japanese asteroid probe, InSign, etc. - not even in 3 models.

        The nearest mission to the Moon - Moon25, will be the most primitive device (less than 20kg of scientific workload), more to put a check on WE BACK! The normal AMS is Moon-27, there will be almost 3 times the scientific load, and the program will be 6-7 times larger than the Moon25, although ESA is part of the scientific program. Moon-28 - in 25, repeat the return of the soil. Lunokhod or a mobile landing station - there are no real plans for which there is money.

        For example, the Chang'e 5 probe - this year will run the Moon program 28. Chang'e6 in 20 or 21 year- will drill and collect individual samples in insulated containers with a total soil volume of up to 10kg.
        1. -2
          24 March 2019 10: 36
          // Moon rover or mobile landing station - there are no real plans for which there is money. //
          We need to do something together. Name the mission "Apollo Lunopoke".
          1. -4
            24 March 2019 10: 40
            Quote: Shahno
            Mission name "Apollo Lunopoke"

            Where "cop" is a policeman. Sleepwalkers will be shocked laughing
    2. +6
      24 March 2019 11: 32
      By 2035, Musk with his BFR - already in full, not only on the Moon, but also on Mars, will host. And Roskosmos as a corporation will disappear - it will be completely disbanded from the current 200000 employees in the space industry, there will remain 60000 thousand all the rest will be reduced. But Rogozin will retire at the end of the 20th, all his plans will remain plans - they will be lost in the information flow and will be forgotten.
      1. 0
        25 March 2019 15: 26
        I wonder what will be the composition of the remaining? Lawyers are economists, managers ...
      2. 0
        25 March 2019 16: 39
        Quote: Vadim237
        all his plans will remain plans

        No, they won't. He and his child Alyosha will make big money on this business, receive a bunch of orders and degrees ... And enough for himself, and for his child, and grandchildren for food. As the well-known Crocodile used to say, "To me, to my wife, and to Alyosha and Kokosha."
  3. -5
    24 March 2019 05: 16
    And the articles on the site were different, five years ago, interesting, and not a mournful nagging, as now.
  4. -24
    24 March 2019 06: 18
    A lot of paragraphs! Another article "about nothing". This is about the "level" about which the author writes.
    And in general, why should all the dogs be let down on Rogozin, if we have civil space, in contrast to sports, "according to the residual principle"? And even if funding grows (which, no doubt, will be "mastered"), then where to get the staff, which the old ones left, but the new ones did not come? Paste the announcements on the poles: "Do you need space technology developers, chief designers?
    I'm not a fan of Rogozin, but he has been in office for less than a year, and all the crap is stuck to him)))
    1. +18
      24 March 2019 06: 32
      Quote: MBRBS
      I'm not a fan of Rogozin, but he has been in office for less than a year, and all the crap is stuck to him)))

      Well, look at the "places of his previous work" ... where is "not stuck" there? what did he excel at?
      1. -8
        24 March 2019 06: 51
        Quote: Dead Day
        well, look at the "places of his previous work"

        Looked at "one of".
        Quote: Wikipedia
        On December 23, 2011, President of Russia D. A. Medvedev was appointed Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation. He oversees the military-industrial complex, defense orders, national defense, mobilization training, maritime policy, nuclear and space-rocket, shipbuilding, aviation, radio-electronic industry, export control, military-technical cooperation, civil defense, border policy, the Arctic, as well as the construction of the Vostochny spaceport .

        And if we "distance ourselves" from the situation at the Vostochny cosmodrome, Rogozin was trying to steal funds for its construction. perhaps did not participate, then the results of his work are not so bad ...

        The military-industrial complex that started working, probably, "did not come from NIOTKUDA." True ?

        Although I also agree that Roscosmos should oversee the new Korolev. But where is this to get?
        1. +9
          24 March 2019 07: 04
          I’ll correct you a little, about the new Korolev, who will let him go ?!
          1. +3
            24 March 2019 07: 53
            Requirements:
            1. A person "in the know", from the industry and with an excellent track record.
            2. Cheers for the cause with all my heart.
            3. Can kick open the door if not to the office of the president, then to the prime minister for sure.
            4. ... add the missing
            What suggestions are there?
            1. +6
              24 March 2019 07: 59
              Quote: MBRBS
              Requirements:
              1. A person "in the know", from the industry and with an excellent track record.

              We need a man who gives himself over to the cause, who is ill with them, and who takes responsibility.

              Quote: MBRBS
              What suggestions are there?

              I am afraid that there is simply no "bench" ...
              1. -2
                26 March 2019 03: 57
                Then it was not a problem to break a dozen lunar modules, and now any accident - VERY MUCH)))
            2. +2
              24 March 2019 11: 56
              Requirements:
              1. A person "in the know", from the industry and with an excellent track record.
              2. Cheers for the cause with all my heart.
              3. Can kick open the door if not to the office of the president, then to the prime minister for sure.
              4. ... add the missing
              What suggestions are there?

              Again: as it is written about me:
              1 The topic is that something needs to be changed.
              2 I am a fan of the case, sometimes not even the case ((.
              3 I can kick open doors. What else is needed for success?
              1. -4
                24 March 2019 16: 38
                Quote: Buryi1965
                What else is needed for success?

                Brains, buddy. But with this, campaign, tension request
        2. +12
          24 March 2019 08: 46
          On the Internet there was infa about the Rogozin-Shoigu conflict ... maybe everything is not so bad due to the fact that he was not allowed to steer the military branches ... etc ... Shoigu will probably be tougher ... and organizational abilities above .... I do not believe in the genius of Rogozin .... it is enough to listen to statements about the trampoline (generally underestimating and not understanding the situation ... the possibilities of the USA) .. not understanding the immediate tasks of the corporation in a strategic plan ........ ...
          1. +2
            24 March 2019 23: 31
            [quote = Trotil42] There was infa on the Internet about the Rogozin-Shoigu conflict ... maybe everything is not so bad due to the fact that he was not allowed to steer the military branches ... etc ... Shoigu will probably be tougher. ..and organizational abilities are higher .. [/ quote It’s better to pass Roskosmos to the military in general, where control and responsibility are much tougher. At least the missiles from Plesetsk fly normally.
            1. -1
              25 March 2019 08: 34
              I strongly agree with you ... all the more so as probable friends are talking about creating a missile defense system in space .. one Rogozin is grinding about the moon and Mars ...
            2. 0
              26 March 2019 04: 10
              The military, too, missiles are falling, only it falls into the media less. As in the USSR you know you sleep less well)))
    2. +12
      24 March 2019 06: 58
      * Cadres decide everything! * Here is a personal example, my enterprise is far from space. A repair and mechanical site, the average age of specialists is a retirement, repair and construction site, the same story, but a bit younger. There is no youth and never will be, we will leave, who will come? Correctly-immigrants from the southern states, about the quality of their work need to be said? I think not.
      1. +2
        24 March 2019 11: 51
        immodest question, voice your specialists’s question, I think it’s about the same as the Roskosmos collector engineers ... but the deputies have no vacancies and why?, the answer lies on the surface, there is no idea, there is no political resolve everything else is solved. , there will be young people and ideas, and as long as the last .... we’re not getting a breakthrough, well, a little positive- look at physicists, and young people and ideas appear, maybe new engines are just around the corner, new ideas and physical quantities. Yes and r \ n the union did not reveal its capabilities, too early you write off the gentlemen. y and in custody of the Americans (to argue here with a friend of Israel) when not remind BE-4 have been put into operation? and when their famous spkys x will carry astronauts? Yes, we are making money on this and the Russian Union (while) is happy that this is BAD, but the fact that there is no groundwork for the future is bad. Well, as Medvedev said rephrasing- NO MONEY, we survive ....
        1. +1
          24 March 2019 19: 43
          Quote: yeah
          There will be a salary, there will be young people and ideas

          Quote: yeah
          sound s / n of your specialists, I think it’s about the same as that of the Roskosmos collector engineers ... but the deputies have no vacancies

          There is a certain contradiction here - the deputies have a wonderful salary, of course, and the conditions of their work can also be envied, but the question is: what do we have based on the results of their highly paid work? But just the same, what we see around ... Conclusion: not everything can be solved with money. As has been mentioned many times, this is a systemic problem.
          1. 0
            26 March 2019 12: 03
            As for the work of the deputies, this is from which side you look (we do not build SOCIALISM! Therefore, the tasks do not improve the life of Russians! So I think that for the "rich" deputies work very well .. So the tasks need to be formulated correctly!
            1. 0
              27 March 2019 00: 50
              Quote: yeah
              this is which side you are looking at (we are not building SOCIALISM! Therefore, the tasks are not to improve the life of Russians!

              That is, you are now openly saying that our deputies have not fulfilled and are not going to fulfill their immediate responsibilities (including election promises). Salary. by the way, we pay them - you, me, he, she ... Yes So what, do they work out what they get paid? The question is rhetorical ...
              1. 0
                April 6 2019 16: 13
                And YOU still do not understand for whom the deputies work? On themselves "loved ones", on themselves, each of them has a business or business partners who need a lobby, and here he (she) .... (most of them, 3-4 maybe someone else is trying to defend the interests of the people, but who will listen to them) And about the salary, I generally keep quiet, they do not forget themselves when dividing themselves, in contrast to the people. And this is no secret .... Just an analysis of the actions and the composition of the State Duma. And about "we" pay them ..... well, don't be ridiculous, even under the communists, the BUROCRACY ruled the ball and lived by its own laws (the only thing was afraid of the higher authorities, otherwise they would be excommunicated from the trough), and now even if they are excommunicated, a well-established business and money taken offshore, which will be enough for both children and grandchildren and will still remain (yes, if they have not noticed that many of them have children LIVE over the hill, EXACTLY LIVE), but now tell me whose interests they will represent?
                1. 0
                  April 6 2019 20: 04
                  Quote: yeah
                  And I’m generally silent about the salary, I don’t forget about my loved ones when sharing, unlike the people. And this is not a secret ....

                  Well, that's what I mean: the result of work does not always depend on the size of the salary. Yes Moreover - where big salaries are often paid, the dominance of all kinds of nonsense, who got there exclusively by a protege ...
                  1. 0
                    April 7 2019 20: 32
                    Are you talking about that? You won't understand, they work WELL, but only for your business !!!!! or a business of interest, we collective farmers cannot understand how to lie so blatantly and not blush. And the salary there is good, so there are NO vacancies !!!! There will be such a salary for a janitor or a sewer operator, believe me there will be NO vacancies !!! And the fact that the State Duma works WELL (only for its own interest) clearly showed the vote for the pension reform, and how other deputies were "persuaded".
  5. +10
    24 March 2019 06: 30
    Alas! But all this is true. It is a pity that one feature of our national character and, as a consequence, the country's technical progress were not noted. This feature is that before you do something worthwhile, we usually have to be in a deep ass.
    1. +12
      24 March 2019 07: 03
      Quote: Jurkovs
      than to do something worthwhile, we usually have to be in deep ass.


      We seem to have felt the bottom several times first in the economy, now in space. When we begin to emerge.

      In the meantime, we are sad about Science and argue "can-can not" about Russian cosmonautics, somewhere far away the Osiris-REX station registers the release of matter from the asteroid Bennu ...

      1. +8
        24 March 2019 10: 44
        Well, AMC is different. The last successful AMS is Vega, the peak of Soviet cosmonautics.

        However, the west (and the east too - and even there is no analogue of the Hindu IOM, or rather it drowned in the ocean) has advanced very much in the AMS.

        The Japanese are raping an asteroid:


        New Horizons is flying far.

        InSign is already drilling Mars with a German drill. True, problems arose, for they came across a stone.

        Curiosity - plaintively asks to send Dzhamshuta and tire fitting. The wheels will start to fly out at any moment. The wear and tear of the 2 is alarming for NASA, and the 2 wheels are heavily worn, but not yet critical. The new Rover2020 is made with this in mind in a heavy rover.
  6. -25
    24 March 2019 06: 43
    Another nagging Skomorokhov .... I read and almost vomited.
    Is this what he wants? Everything disappeared, the cosmos is not our mind ... Here Musk is a real genius cosmically, etc. And Russia is bast and is not capable of anything ..
    That's how we are slowly rocking, drop by drop poison into the soul, decomposing decomposing from the inside ..
    Eh people, they want to humiliate us again and drive us to the den ..?
    1. +20
      24 March 2019 06: 59
      I, too, are often against Skomorokhov's whining, but not in this segment! In order to assess the situation, it is enough to look through the media in recent years ... you will not find there those "victorious reports" that we were always proud of and even sang - "We are ahead of the whole planet." In fact, we have lost not just our leadership in space, but we can hardly hold on to the United States, China and the united West as a whole, running ahead of us!
      1. -10
        24 March 2019 07: 06
        Quote: Chichikov
        In fact, we lost not just leadership in space, but we hardly hold onto the USA, China, and the united west as a whole running ahead!

        There are a lot of problems in the space industry, I agree here .. But on this article, there is clearly a specific search .. The ISS in fact exists thanks to Russia and this is a very significant fact outweighing everything else .. I’m not special of course, but I’m scolding everything Soviet (oh Russian) I don’t need a big mind .. I remember how it happened in the late 80s, in the 90s ... Also in all the media, the WHIT started and cursed at ALL OUR .... Now, something else begins, I smell with genes.
        Criticism is needed, but not to insult the country and the people living in it .. hi
        1. +4
          24 March 2019 10: 49
          At the moment or in principle? Here is a photo of the station - the Russian segments are visible and the rest too. Or do you doubt that NASA + ESA + JAXA will be able to bring out a storage module and a module with engines? Moreover, for the first time, you can squeeze the orbit with the same Dragon. They have scientific and functional modules there. Russia has service.
          1. +5
            24 March 2019 10: 50
            And here is the new station - and who will do what. As you can see, Roskosmos makes only a pier.
            1. +1
              24 March 2019 11: 36
              Yes, with a high probability they will refuse our berth - under the pretext "Doing too long."
      2. -4
        24 March 2019 07: 09
        Quote: Chichikov
        In fact, we have lost not just leadership in space

        We lost it in the late 80s. Be scared.

        Quote: Chichikov
        hardly hold on to those running ahead USA, China and the United West as a whole

        You do not find that even this is a kind of success? There are orders of magnitude more resources, and the results are somehow not even at times, are they? wink

        And - yes - characters who talked about serious things (and space is a very serious thing) in the language of football, ahem, cheerleaders have always amused me ...
      3. -4
        25 March 2019 17: 26
        Quote: Chichikov
        In fact, we lost not just leadership in space, but we hardly hold onto the USA, China, and the united west as a whole running ahead!

        By what metric did you define "loss of leadership"?
      4. -3
        25 March 2019 22: 07
        Quote: Chichikov
        In fact, we lost not just leadership in space, but we hardly hold onto the USA, China, and the united west as a whole

        We are not holding back. We are lagging behind. More and more. We are losing technology and knowledge. But "road maps and competencies" appeared.
  7. +14
    24 March 2019 06: 52
    Hi romance drinks Again I broke into the most indulge in a defective manager ... and at the same time it would be extremely interesting to listen to their answer directly to the points listed by you. What do you think they can mumble in response ??? I think not, because their baklniki have long been tightly packed with dough right up to the cerebellum wassat I have one additional question to roskokosmos ... why did the prices for space transportation of people rise exactly three times for NASA (because they are the patron of the rest of the space COMMUNITY)? Has oil risen in price or dropped in price? Or, perhaps, they took advantage of the lack of the partner (NASA), until now, the presence of manned spacecraft and simply sent two out of three at the expense of the first? This will definitely not add respect in my opinion. Of course, you can blame everything on inflation, which led to an increase in the cost of a seat ... but I am tormented by vague doubts. But the freebie is almost over and I have a great suspicion that we will remember the current "leadership" of Roskokosmos on the hefty projected ridge ... oh sorry building in the shape of a rocket that will be based (maybe) in Moscow fellow From space that it will be visible ??? And then we can need more laughing
    With such a jamb of "achievements" in the aerospace industry, we really find ourselves on the margins of the development of the "beautiful distant". And the normal remaining specialists will go into private business, where there is already a Rubicon for poor managers of all stripes, and I am pleased to know that there will be no place for them (poor managers) drinks
    1. -1
      24 March 2019 07: 43
      Quote: viktor_ui
      Roman hi drinks Again broke into the most indulge defective manager ..

      Something about your Roman in 2012-14, kept quiet, when in Russia the truth was not very good in all areas ..
      I remember the article "Battalion N went to the shooting range, shot perfectly well"
      The people sincerely rejoiced and spit at the same time .. One prof. Only sarcastically smiled and posted here photos (high-quality) teachings of NATO countries, etc.
      And as soon as Russia began to rise and stood up against the West ... Then the persecution began on all fronts and the most offensive from within it began to spread rot, too, such "zhurnalyugi" ...
      It's a shame the men are very .. Liberals do not need a strong Russia! That's all the FACTS .. hi
      1. +11
        24 March 2019 08: 11
        Ded-kadet is the meaning of an article by Roman and his shared vision of events (in particular, Roskosmos) ... ONLY ONE ... so that random people, people and crooks of all stripes, voluntarily cleaned up key industries. For me, it is Roscosmos, whose legs grow from the USSR and there is a NATIONAL DOG, RAS - a NATIONAL DOG, SCIENTISTS AND CULTURAL WORKERS of my country of the WORLD LEVEL - A NATIONAL DOG, PEOPLE ill and doing EVERYTHING for the glory of Russian weapons and often in spite of life, well, etc .... and not the thieving GAZPROM. Is it logical? It is logical ... We are ashamed and do not like (for our country) that over the hill our some representatives of the delegations are simply no longer giving a response (in China, for example, just recently). So it’s not necessary that the Roman type clings to the moment Russia gets up off its knees — thanks, it’s neighing. 14 years ago, I waved my hand to the public sector and have never regretted it, but only with much greater speed I grew up as a multi-vector sought-after specialist (like bragging for advertising laughing ) In roskokosmos as there was a mess and decay, so it remained. Rogozin of 2011 was much more impressed with me than now. The building of our space explodes and stands on parole. LEONOV left for the hill !!! Such PEOPLE just do not leave. sad
        1. -11
          24 March 2019 09: 19
          Quote: viktor_ui
          I Rogozin sample 2011 is much more

          Here is your key phrase and all the liberals ..
          Then Russia was practically controlled by the West, etc.
          As the Crimea took and new weapons in action showed .. So immediately, such an op began in the world media, sanctions and other chips .. laughing bully
          You didn’t think about it at your leisure lying on the sofa and thinking ..?
          The question is why such persecution of Russia began in 2015 ..?
          What have we done wrong to anyone, we allow to rob like the West, but within the framework of ..Well, the Army and Navy receive new weapons from us and what?
          We launch silent satellites into space silently ..
          Houston is in thoughtfulness and even panic. The Russians are preparing something and Skomorokhov is trying to unleash it on "bragging" and giving out some details of our space program, etc.
          Here are the figs to him and his cunning sponsor customers !!!!! negative lol
          (you won’t earn much on stew ..)))
          1. +6
            24 March 2019 09: 54
            Well Ded-kadet, cheered me up with a Liback Libe wink I’ll go and vote for the mayor of the city for the Liberal Democratic Party - you have drunk, and you will answer winked And in general, the word liberal is now a synonym for leper in society ??? And I thought a little differently: a high-ranking thieves of all ranks which are caught in batches for an hour, moms and dads are the murderers of their children - spring and they have aggravation, the traitors of my country robbed her and people and live out their lives in a foreign land, and so on, for this list it is precisely these lepers that can be continued for a very long time. You don’t like that Roman verbally kicked someone’s fat ass that was clearly sitting out of place? Well, duck things to do with such funding, and not shake the air for fun people.
            And where does the Crimea, definitely OUR ... and the financial pit of achievements of the Roskosmos - where is the parallel?
            Lying on the couch - 17 years old was not on vacation ... sales without comment and too quickly you stick labels to other people without knowing practically nothing about them feel
            The pressure on Russia and its course began much earlier than in 2015 ... I’m counting down from the moment the West banned the sale of its satellites to us to create a synthesized aperture of the earth’s surface ... why do you need to ask Rogozin.
            We launch sly satellites ... you say ... secret. Well, google in the search engine "all space launches in 2019. There is a detailed description of who is where and how much and is very secret. laughing To the dealers from Roscocosmos a very convenient screen SECRETLY unambiguous.
            Houston doesn’t care what and where we run, they have programs above the roof and there’s no time to look into the neighbor’s garden with wishes like trampoline bully
            The army and navy receive new weapons and this is WONDERFUL, but where does the roskokosmos with its achievements - enlighten the wretched feel
            I wonder how sincere you are in your answers ... sincerity is ALWAYS worthy of respect, and even unequivocally from a liberalist. drinks
      2. -3
        25 March 2019 22: 11
        Quote: Ded-kadet
        It's a shame the men are very .. Liberals do not need a strong Russia! That's all FACTS

        How so, you are against the president? Putin is a liberal in your opinion. Or a liberal, as he himself has said many times. That is, he is the enemy of the development of Russia? Did I understand you correctly?
  8. +14
    24 March 2019 07: 08
    Very surprised .... but how not to scold the authorities ???? smile Informative article !!!! Thank you Roman!
    The days of royal and kapits are gone ... now Chubais and Rogozins rule NEW. I don’t enter the sky-high technology, but in our mortal place you can see ... the stone age! We eat scraps of Western and Chinese technology. But the whole river is made up of these local streams. WILL WE WAKE UP ????
    1. +6
      24 March 2019 08: 16
      KAPITSA and its OBVIOUS-INCREDIBLE ... looked CONSTANTLY from the 7th grade !!!
    2. -8
      24 March 2019 09: 53
      Quote: Michael55
      Very surprised .... but how not to scold the authorities ???? smile Informative article !!!! Thank you Roman!

      The most interesting thing is that a bunch of "four-year-olds" from the site's underground got out, waiting in the wings .. Well done, how cunning everything is ..!
      So I don’t remember them men, at least kill crying Where did such a horde suddenly and with epaulets immediately ..?

      Who charged them here ..? Everything and everyone to humiliate and Russia ..?
  9. -7
    24 March 2019 07: 27
    Alas, unfortunately, following many, I have to admit that the level of readers of Military Review is not the same.

    And what is surprising Roman, all those who disagree with you and K. .. Just cleaned up!
    Or am I wrong?
    By the way, there are a lot of deletions in such "Sunday" articles .. Raise the archive, guys, and you will understand everything. What kind of discussions are there, there is a common chorus of whining and swearing of everything Russian and Soviet .. soldier
    And just look at the downsides and everything is clear .. Skomorokhov is straight Navalny here on the site is a fighter with the "regime" .. Again I talk too much, but it just boiled when you see this on the Russian site ..
    Kick the satraps .. angry
    1. +12
      24 March 2019 09: 14
      yes grandfather ... you read your pearls and immediately remember Zhvanetsky ...
      wisdom comes with age ... to some age comes alone ...
  10. -21
    24 March 2019 07: 30
    the author how much anger and poison in you ????
    1. -10
      24 March 2019 08: 02
      Quote: alekc75
      the author how much anger and poison in you ????

      And this says that Russia is still not in last place in space .... When the liberals scold us, it costs a lot .. bully
      Here is a small, old info .. and yet it opens its eyes to a lot .. soldier
      The Russian Rokot launch vehicle launched three military spacecraft into orbit. This means that despite the pacifist rhetoric as a whole about military space, ours nevertheless react to the muddy statements of American generals about the secret mission of their spacecraft X-37B. Experts believe that in the event of a full-fledged conflict between space powers, the mutual liquidation of satellite constellations is just a matter of time.

      A certain, and rather rather large part of our society is used to thinking that Russia does not produce anything sensible except oil and gas. This is a convenient position in its own way: you can calmly criticize everyone and everything, as if remaining on the sidelines. It seems to me that such a view is not only counterproductive, but simply dishonest. Here is my brief rating of our success in the space industry

      Reminds nothing of men ..? This is 2013 .. And now our people keep quiet about their achievements and do the right thing ..
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        1. -10
          24 March 2019 09: 24
          Quote: viktor_ui
          Here damn it, I’ll ulcerate it myself and become disgusted ... but to the managers it’s in no way recourse SAD.

          I’m sad sometimes too .. But still, kicking and spread rot us, I won’t let any clickers. negative soldier
          1. +8
            24 March 2019 10: 09
            Professor Preobrazhensky said: YES I DO NOT LOVE THE PROLETARIAT ...
            We don’t like thieving oligarchy, buy-sell managers, former nomenclature, etc.
            If they suddenly tell me that I’m doing my job poorly, then I certainly won’t nod to my predecessors, say that you don’t know anything and don’t understand and don’t throw plans in the answer, the huge future in the style of who will die faster or padis. hi
    2. -1
      27 March 2019 23: 27
      And he writes articles from Israel. From there you can see
  11. +10
    24 March 2019 07: 31
    We have degraded.
    ... Why, then, private business, domestic business will take "space" into their own hands, and there will be a breakthrough, create institutions, production ... privatize spaceports ... establish institutions and production abroad ... Projects and components, equipment is better to produce and develop there There is a base and personnel, but we have to collect it in Russia. There is a positive experience in this. We already collect screwdriver cars, imported from almost our own, and then it will go, import substitution will work to its fullest, they will transfer production to Russia and apple trees on Mars will bloom, and we will "sow and plow" Mars itself and, as our esteemed president said, we will jump on the step of the last carriage of a departing train, run through the train and push everyone and become at the helm of technological progress. smile
    1. +16
      24 March 2019 07: 48
      Do you remember Clipper? Do you remember the moon landing in 2015? Something is not observed of these objects, not even a trampoline for an emergency.
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        1. +6
          24 March 2019 08: 06
          We will fasten, private business will help us ...
      2. +2
        24 March 2019 17: 02
        Clipper, booster rocket Rus, MAKS, Air Launch, Baikal, "Lunar Ferry" Russian space station - all this was covered with a large copper basin until 2014 - the money was spent, and some of it was packaged in pockets.
        1. 0
          25 March 2019 09: 16
          And where, then, did Uncle Vova find money for the Olympics and the World Cup?
          1. -2
            25 March 2019 11: 06
            Most of the money for the Olympics and the World Cup in football was taken from investors, their share amounted to more than 70% of the total cost of the projects.
    2. +8
      24 March 2019 08: 23
      parusnik "We have degraded." - Do you have any doubts? Justify on the points presented ... WEAK? The degradation of the former flagship only the deaf and blind do not care laughing Roman hammering facts fellow baalshimi such, but about him in response to the type of liberal-bulk. wassat CONVENIENT SO.
      1. +6
        24 March 2019 10: 53
        "We've degraded." - Do you have any doubts?
        ... I do not ... And for this, I put a smile at the end of my comment ..
    3. 0
      24 March 2019 10: 06
      Send this development program to Roskosmos and the premiere (but not ours, he can read belay) Only need more water, pages on 50.
      1. +4
        24 March 2019 10: 54
        But why send it? ... Everything goes to that ...
    4. +6
      24 March 2019 11: 29
      By the way, it’s not so fantastic in general.

      Previously, the measure of the oligarch - the castle was more beautiful and more interesting than others. Then the fashion is gone.
      Then football clubs (not only football, but where is popular, Formula 1 teams, basketball / hockey / rugby, etc.) - but now basically all sorts of Sheikhs indulge in this. Serious guys stopped.

      Now fashion is cosmos. Won Bezos - leads his project as best he can. Pours in money. Trades face. It breaks through the media. Soon (New Shepard's next flight) with a man. NewGlenn is being actively done. BE-4 - brought to serial production and immediately to 2 rockets (Volcano and NewGlenn). Branson - went all the way from a rich boy from yachts and villas to the Formula 1 team with which he won the World Championship (Brown GP). Now his favorite toy is Cosmos. Specializes in air launch. There is a manned vehicle - already drove a passenger to 89km. There is a launch vehicle with a launch on a Boeing747 - LauncherOne and an order from Oneweb for 36 rockets.


      Again Musk. A lot of smaller rich people who invest in Bek (RocketLab), FireFly, Astra, etc. In general, gradually - space is fashionable! Having a stake or your own space company is cooler than a football club and a yacht.
      1. +8
        24 March 2019 11: 37
        I am plagued by vague doubts in this regard ... How much noise was there about the creation of a yo-mobile? ... Something, somehow it didn't work out ... And space for our oligarchs, probably "space", is being stormed, stormed and it won't work either .. and they will leave ..
  12. +10
    24 March 2019 07: 47
    It is difficult to say how true the author is ...., but on the surface look of an amateur-- not far from the truth. Time is money, so much time is wasted, accidents are a matter of routine, and the journalist is in charge of all this .... he’s not even an effective manager, that is, they’re not going to do business, but it’s very likely to cover up the liquidation of the industry. ..
    1. -10
      24 March 2019 08: 07
      Quote: wooja
      Time is money, so much time is wasted, accidents are a matter of routine, and the journalist manages all this.

      Rogozin, like Medvedev ... SIGN! But other people work in the shade, Putin has calculated everything correctly .. Everything has its time, so let them bark for now. hi
      1. +17
        24 March 2019 08: 13
        maybe so, there is a tricky plan .... but if Putin is-- a sign ?,
        1. +8
          24 March 2019 08: 59
          Quote: wooja
          maybe so, there is a tricky plan .... but if Putin is-- a sign ?,

          I don’t know if Putin is a sign, but what he says is exactly a sign. The cunning plan is for sure, the only thing is that it is in favor of the people of Russia, there are big doubts about this.
          1. +9
            24 March 2019 09: 03
            the correct remark ... and doubts grow ..., they are definitely throwing somewhere ...
            1. -1
              25 March 2019 09: 28
              Putin’s cunning plan has long been tricky and understandable to many: to enrich himself and his friends, that’s the whole plan, as well as to arrange a comfortable life for his offspring, his daughter, for example, Putin has already married the young billionaire Kirill Shamalov. They also intensively export money abroad, buy real estate there, i.e. alternate aerodromes are being prepared, otherwise suddenly in 2024 some Grudinin will win the election and then they will only have to flee to the West.
              1. -1
                25 March 2019 09: 34
                maybe so, who knows ... she’s such a power
        2. -3
          25 March 2019 22: 16
          Quote: wooja
          maybe so, there is a tricky plan .... but if Putin is-- a sign?

          Or maybe Putin is not Putin at all? He became a little like a person.
          1. 0
            25 March 2019 22: 22
            But what does it change ?, Changed however ....
    2. +5
      24 March 2019 08: 45
      Why are they not going to engage in commerce, the Roscosmos office center with elite housing in the center of Moscow on the site of the Khrunichev plant, why not a business project for you? And the journalist with his "connections" is quite suitable for the role of a developer, he already has experience with Vostochny.
      1. +4
        24 March 2019 08: 52
        of course commerce ..., Ilf and Petrov described it very well in the "golden calf",
  13. -6
    24 March 2019 08: 14
    I’ll tell you frankly that I’m not an expert in space exploration. But I see when they allocate money to this area
    one enterprise, then specialists leave other enterprises. A reusable ship eats a lot
    of money. Question: Where is the module that delivered the American astronauts to the moon and back to the ship?
    If he was, then why they forgot about him. When I watch programs about NASA, I often hear about cooperation with our country. And thank God that we have not been forgotten.
    1. +4
      24 March 2019 10: 08
      Quote: nikvic46
      oh I see when they allocate money to this area
      one enterprise, then specialists leave other enterprises.

      The direction of your thought somehow strange moves to this issue
      Quote: nikvic46
      Question: Where is the module that delivered the American astronauts to the moon and back to the ship?

      What is the relationship between Russian industry (did you write about it?) And the module of American astronauts?
      PS: The Columbia command module is located in the National Air and Space Museum, aka the Smithsonian Institution Museum.
    2. +2
      24 March 2019 10: 30
      The ship Apollo and the Saturn-5 rocket have long been in the museum. After their USA the Shuttles were used for a long time, but they are also in the museum now, and instead of shuttles the development of Orion, Dragon-2 and Starliner is underway.
      Well, no one forgot about Apollo, the head of NASA ate baldness, considering how many times he repeated that the Apollo and the Shuttle flew from this platform from which Dragon-2 started
      1. +3
        24 March 2019 10: 45
        Quote: BlackMokona
        The ship Apollo and the Saturn-5 rocket have long been in the museum.

        I was mistaken, a friend says about the take-off lunar module. After the transition of the astronauts, he separated from the command module and remained in the orbit of the moon.
  14. +5
    24 March 2019 08: 36
    The creation of the entire space complex in our country takes a long time. This is not the case when a fighter holds a strangulation reception in a fight without rules. If we want to regain our advantage, we need to deal with the RAS. Social science scientists are right there.
    1. +6
      24 March 2019 08: 55
      next 30 years?
  15. +8
    24 March 2019 08: 58
    Novel hi in the article, you are wrong in one thing - we still did not degrade until the 60s of the 20th century, because as you remember, the time you indicated was precisely the moment of the rise of our science and technology! Now we have "smoothly moved away" in the 50s of the 20th century - when there were a lot of ideas, but for one reason or another, there was no way to implement them! For the rest, everything else is described correctly, alas. ..
    1. +3
      24 March 2019 09: 08
      the hole is a little deeper ..., a large one is seen at the distance
  16. -7
    24 March 2019 09: 11
    “Alas, unfortunately, following many, I have to admit that the level of Voennoye Obozreniye readers is not the same. And not cake.” [B] [/ b]
    Who's stopping making a cake? Make a special entrance with VIP passwords for true connoisseurs of the resource ..........
    Each writer has his own reader!
    1. -7
      24 March 2019 09: 21
      Quote: Warrior Hamilton
      Who's stopping making a cake?

      They have no "cherries" request
      1. -4
        24 March 2019 09: 26
        Yes, no words to it all!
      2. -1
        24 March 2019 17: 09
        It’s still berries - cherries will be ahead, when we’ll remain without commercial launches and our engines no one will need, together with manned ships, the ever-increasing accident rate of launches, our space does not bode well.
        1. -4
          24 March 2019 17: 16
          Quote: Vadim237
          Karrrrrrrr !!

          laughing good laughing
          1. 0
            25 March 2019 09: 47
            In vain you are so, Vadim is right, since the situation in this industry is only getting worse, China has already overtaken us by the number of launches. And most importantly, the prospects are not visible, can you see? Then share with us.
            1. -2
              25 March 2019 10: 14
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              share with us

              I don’t feed the trolls, buddy. Sorry, but it won’t break off. request
  17. +6
    24 March 2019 10: 14
    Well adherents of Rogozin. WHICH FROM YOU WILL RESPOND TO ALL POINTS OF CHARGE OF THE NOVEL? Or is the gut thin? Children to the barrier of zucchini (please do not be offended or ban if possible ... because well, I want to see a sensible refutation of which I personally doubt Yes )
    1. -7
      24 March 2019 10: 33
      Quote: viktor_ui
      Or is the gut thin? To the barrier of zucchini children

      My friend, where does any "adepts" have to do with it?

      The article, as usual with the author, is built solely on manipulating the emotions of readers. In order to feed local aquarium fish, so that it is more active by pressing the buttons, the site is a commercial enterprise, and the income of its owners depends on drilling, ahem, fish. Including, I believe, the author of the article.

      How analysts perceive similar articles - humble servant stop

      The mess in the space industry (and not only in the space, by the way) was already in the mid-eighties. In all its glory, believe me. Then there were the 90s, this mess greatly aggravated. Be at the head of the RKK now even though Korolev is in Cuba - by the pike commandment, he would not have set things up. This is a slow, iterative, inconspicuous and extremely boring (especially for local, um, fish) process.

      Therefore, as a rule, they do not write about him. And they write about "fried" - it is both simpler and more profitable.

      That's about it, IMHO.
      1. +4
        24 March 2019 10: 50
        Consultant - hello dear ... if the mess lasts from the end of the 80s, then all the more so much worse than I thought. Say that sales Korolev would not do anything ... if you didn’t tell, he certainly was not a follower and talker and would quickly put things in order in this nativity scene. For example, to you personally. In my city from 1994 to 2005 there was a MED. The height of the chaos in the country. Well, with him, they built an International Class Airport and Boeing 547 sat down with us, completely renewed the bus fleet, the forestry complex was a single complex and the city developed despite all the shit ... His phrase “mafia in the city is me,” was relevant in terms of a barrier for robbery of the city and its foundations by metropolitan and not very crooks. Well, after the mayors went with the result from Canary to the bunks.
        This I mean that if the leadership of Roskosmos is really not allowed to come to sensible and knowledgeable specialists, WHICH UNDEFINITELY EXIST, then all this will end in collapse, because the USSR ordered it to live long. Well, the marker "Rogozin adepts" is nothing more than the localization of the question-problem. drinks
        Can you try to answer the questions posed by Roman?
        1. -8
          24 March 2019 11: 03
          Quote: viktor_ui
          This I mean that if the leadership of Roscosmos is really not allowed to come sensible and knowledgeable specialists

          Now any "specialist" will be devoured by the system. Built back in the Soviet Union, and later heavily overwhelmed.

          To rebuild the system, strictly speaking, specials are not needed. Need a cleaner. Rogozin - he is. And whether it’s good or bad, it’s more clearly visible from above request

          Quote: viktor_ui
          it all ends in crash

          Or does not end with him. How long I live (and I live a long time ago) - they all promise some kind of collapse ... I have not seen a single one yet.

          Quote: viktor_ui
          touched the USSR ordered a long life

          A friend works (until now) at TsNIIMASH - he says there is quite an intelligent young growth. Little, but divorce, he says, should be enough laughing

          But in general - to discuss serious issues in a frivolous atmosphere - somehow I do not see the point. Yes, and I’m far from these matters already, and for a long time already hi
          1. +9
            24 March 2019 11: 45
            The cleaner should at least:
            1) to understand what he is cleaning (Rogozin does not understand).
            2) to have elementary decency (the gifted son of Rogozin headed IL, Rogozin himself sues the media, drowns dachshunds and writes about trampolines).

            It’s necessary to go far, the tradition of Roskosmos to sue contractors for everyone who didn’t appear in the USSR, these are innovations of recent years. I'm not talking about stories when Roscosmos refuses to recognize its shoals, and manages to drop the quality even where it still was.
            1. -10
              24 March 2019 12: 14
              Quote: aivv
              aivv (Raphael Ixusov)

              Oh, the freshman brought ... but such a cheerful good

              Man ... let's say I believe you that you understand everything and everything better than everyone who makes decisions in the Russian Federation. It is very unlikely that I believe, but - let's say.

              So, even this will not help you. More accurately, they do not like cheeks here. They are generally few where love wink
              1. +4
                24 March 2019 12: 39
                I am touched by your care, thank you. Only I absolutely do not care whether they love me here or not, for me the opinion of relatives and colleagues is important.

                And yes, I still understand what I'm writing about - I’ve been working at the Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences for more than 20 years, including to space is not the last relation.

                Well, the level of decision-making in the Russian Federation in critical industries, I also see directly. And it would be better to see, sad.
                1. -10
                  24 March 2019 12: 44
                  Quote: aivv
                  And yes, I still understand what I'm writing about

                  Yes of course Yes

                  Quote: aivv
                  Roscosmos’s tradition of suing contractors for everyone not in the USSR appeared; these are innovations of recent years

                  Under the USSR, the court was replaced by the party committee. And further along the same ladder. It’s strange that you don’t even know this, although you write

                  Quote: aivv
                  ... I have been working for more than 20 years ...

                  Okay. Here "each creature - hare couple ", live happily ever after.
          2. +2
            24 March 2019 12: 06
            If our state system is eating specialists ... then why in the USA does it eat specialists ??? And in every way he welcomes their appearance and helps in development. What a looking glass is. Say that this was still in the USSR ... I can’t believe you on the basis that THEN they could and did and that we have chichas in the dry residue after several tens of years. I am sure that the current technical state of the roskosmos will not allow the creation of complex research devices of the Phobos level. Only in cooperation with other space agencies, provided that they have a desire to work together. You did not convince me of the word, well, in general - it's a pity.
            1. -5
              24 March 2019 12: 22
              Quote: viktor_ui
              why in the US she does not eat specialists ??? And in every possible way welcomes their appearance and helps in development

              This is all advertising. I worked somehow for a foreign company for quite a long time. So - as a result, a career there, as a result, was made not by "the best", but quite average guys. Comfortable, that is.

              Quote: viktor_ui
              Say that it was still in the USSR ... I can’t believe you on the basis that THEN they could and did

              And what would then - and do not? The workforce is almost gratuitous, the materials are for nothing, the resources are immeasurable (space was a priority, after all ... almost like hockey), and even a party chaser, for greater stimulation ... now everything is very different , believe it or not request

              Quote: viktor_ui
              You did not convince me of the word, well, in general

              I did not set myself such a task. And I won’t. My apologies hi
              1. 0
                24 March 2019 12: 34
                Well, the hoopoe of the management has always been enough everywhere. But if their livestock does not exceed a certain critical total mass, then we will have the progressive development of the state segment of the space industry that we have identified ... They EVERYWHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT directly cuts eyes pleasantly ... and we have a rollback and degradation and narrowing of the spectrum of any possibilities in space exploration. The conclusion is unequivocal, we have accumulated a critical mass of mediocre management in the space industry (or rather, in its remnants). Therefore, I. Mask and others like him will bury all this parasitic tuning at the first cosmic speed ... and maybe faster drinks It was a pleasure to polemicize with you drinks
            2. +1
              24 March 2019 12: 27
              Eating ... Remember Von Braun, I had to create an alternative to the Mask office, hand over the work to Boeing, etc. , in the best Stalinist traditions ... but Roscosmos has no alternative ... but there is money-- it’s necessary to cut ...
          3. -1
            24 March 2019 12: 26
            Need a cleaner. Rogozin - he is.

            And why do people mostly see him not as a cleaner in Roscosmos, but in the stable?
            1. -5
              24 March 2019 16: 35
              Quote: Buryi1965
              And why do people mostly see him not as a cleaner in Roscosmos, but in the stable?

              Man, did you ask me a question? In vain ... the question is again about nothing request

              If you personally think so - this is your personal sadness. If your sidekeeper Vasya also thinks so, then this is your sadness with Vasya.

              The opinion of a specialist thread would still be scanned for consideration. Your - sorry - by.

              This is the second time you have failed to formulate your question. This is bad. For you laughing
              1. -3
                24 March 2019 16: 52
                This is the second time you have failed to formulate your question. This is bad. For you laughing

                I understood the criticism and realized. To please you, I'll go then shoot myself five times. Is that enough for an apology?
                1. -6
                  24 March 2019 16: 57
                  Quote: Buryi1965
                  enough for an apology?

                  Why do I need your apology?

                  Formulate questions clearly, as long as you ask them. And no more request

                  And there are enough lovers to talk "for the people and society" without you.
                  1. -2
                    24 March 2019 17: 07
                    I understand, I will no longer bother you to speak for the 'people and society'.
                    1. -6
                      24 March 2019 17: 08
                      Quote: Buryi1965
                      I will no longer bother you to speak for 'people and society'

                      Show with your finger where I speak for them. Or you have to take your words in the ass wink
                      1. -3
                        24 March 2019 18: 19
                        Ahhh so you're from the Liberal Democratic Party, from the rainbow. All silent, silent.
                      2. -5
                        24 March 2019 18: 28
                        Quote: Buryi1965
                        so you are from the Liberal Democratic Party, from the rainbow

                        Cheap buddy.

                        Ok see you again hi
  18. +6
    24 March 2019 10: 16
    Quote: Chichikov
    I, too, are often against Skomorokhov's whining, but not in this segment! In order to assess the situation, it is enough to look through the media in recent years ... you will not find there those "victorious reports" that we were always proud of and even sang - "We are ahead of the whole planet." In fact, we have lost not just our leadership in space, but we can hardly hold on to the United States, China and the united West as a whole, running ahead of us!

    The article has many facts that have to be in reality. We are losing space, as the Americans used to do at school. This is sad. Our current school gives a lot of consumers of imported goods, who are proud to have deceived their neighbor and were able to buy this consumer goods. The number of schools that graduate sufficiently literate people who are really ready to meet the requirements of higher education, and not just get a diploma, has fallen sharply compared to the Soviet period. And many, supposedly HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS, do not at all meet the requirements of the times and have become simply the business of individuals or groups of people. Rectors of serious universities complain about the low level of knowledge of current graduates, whom they sometimes have to accept in accordance with the current criteria - pseudo USE scores, which in the vast majority do not mean anything. So for what they fought, they ran into something. hi
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    1. +1
      24 March 2019 15: 41
      Quote: aivv
      Let's say frank nonsense about how American corporations helped Hitler during 2MB?


      If you are not banned, in a cycle about American corporations that helped Hitler, we will be able to talk about everything objectively and with documents.

      Quote: aivv
      After such an article (by the way, by the way), for example, I left the site


      Well, yes, it is so called now? Why are you lying? You were banned, for rudeness, quietly so erupted, and you think that no one sees anything? We see.

      Quote: aivv
      But for some reason, the rules of the site do not say that it is unacceptable to make deliberately false statements.


      Because after these two of your attacks, you could already have one. And you continue. All the benefits, as it were.
  20. +4
    24 March 2019 10: 29
    This is the scrap that cannot be broken with a whip. If Putin ordered Rogozin to ruin everything, then it must be so.

    Roman, this is not entirely true, or rather not at all. There is no purpose to kill the industry as such. You just need to take into account that thieves do not know how to steal anything else. Soviet space allows you to earn huge amounts of money, which are plundered at the top level. Rogozin is only needed so that the cash flows go where they need to and at the same time "the cow must continue to bring milk", the fact that the "cow" while feeding with straw can simply die nobody cares. There is no task to kill the "cow", she needs to be alive, but no one wants to feed the cow either.
    1. +4
      24 March 2019 10: 43
      Eugene, this is also not entirely true. The top people sincerely want space in the Russian Federation (as well as science, technology, medicine, etc. nishtyaki) - money is allocated, high goals are set, etc. etc. The trouble is that money alone is not enough, competent specialists are needed at all levels - and when someone's relative / friend is put on the very top, who is neither an ear nor a snout but an "effective manager" in the issue under discussion, no money will be enough. At best they will be plundered, at worst they are absolutely mediocre (it would be better if stolen, honestly). This is still imprinted by our bureaucracy and sometimes idiotic laws.

      The chief effective manager is appointed as a result of a long subcovert struggle for the allocated resources, after the appointment he puts his friends in all key posts, they try to figure out the production and optimize something, 100500 new megaprojects are announced, then fig - as a result of the next round of struggle, the chief effective manager everything flies again. I observe this live that year in one extremely important industry for the Russian Federation. A country of the type has long been in the ring of enemies, during this time the bosses have changed - there aren’t enough fingers to count on your hand, there were no loud promises to count. In this case, as it went on slowly on bare enthusiasm, it is going on ...
      1. +3
        24 March 2019 11: 41

        We will fasten, private business will help us ...


        The fact of the matter is that there is no real competitive field in Russia in this industry. And in general, we do not have traditions and normal practice to make science profitable by developing firms and institutions that compete purely in practical terms. The state is used to controlling everything. But let him establish a favorable environment for development. And then science turns out to exist in the Russian Federation for itself. Discovered the phenomenon, described by equations and are satisfied. And the most important thing is the applied, that is, the implementation, so to speak, conversion of equations into tangible appliances and objects on which you can earn money.
        1. 0
          24 March 2019 11: 52
          Eka You turned down ... so that science would be in demand, knowledge-intensive production is needed. In order for such productions to be competitive, we need a competent system, including state support - somewhere the market, somewhere a rigid vertical. Yes, and such productions should be managed by specialists and not the Rogozins' children. What would such a system be, we also need specialists and not Rogozins.

          You are not the national traitor for an hour? ;-)
    2. -1
      24 March 2019 12: 31
      There is no task to kill the "cow", she needs to be alive, but no one wants to feed the cow either.

      The recipe for current managers to get more profit:
      Feed less, milk more.
    3. -1
      25 March 2019 10: 03
      An allegory with a cow is good, but it may happen that the cow completely stops giving milk and begins to lose weight. What then? Who will treat her? I have all hope for the new president, who will deal with the effective treatment of the cow. If only the cow survived until 2024!
  21. -3
    24 March 2019 11: 35
    Uncle, are you a space journalist? And how much are they now paying for this kind of cosmic inference?
    I was also drawn to tell everyone about black holes, in space, budgets, brains and about different sites, much better than that ........
  22. +1
    24 March 2019 11: 54
    Quote: vladimirZ
    The country clearly exceeded the critical level of incompetence in responsible posts. They work well only in the sphere of duping the population, but at least somewhere in the world everything is in order. Show your finger - and the "Urya-I-I" rushes over the expanses of Russia, with or without it.
    - from article


    The author is right. And this applies not only to Roscosmos, which is led by a journalist.
    ...
    Take any industry in Russia; regions where the appointees are ruled by incompetent military officers, former members of the special services, or even simple security guards of senior management; State Duma deputies, filled with artists, athletes, sons of popular figures, and just bought mandates from parliamentary parties (which is no secret) - the same everywhere, the ball is ruled by unprofessionalism, incompetence, ignorance.
    And what do we want from their work? Breakthrough, jerk, achievements?
    There will be none of this, only degradation and collapse. Alas, unfortunately.


    I understand your emotions, but I don’t agree on everything. And here are the military? They are dominated by 3-5 people. In Roscosmos almost gone.
    It’s not worth it to put everything in a heap. This is far from the point. Railways is led by a railwayman. Banks - bankers, transport - professional people. Well Rogozin is a random person. Not a military man.
    1. +6
      24 March 2019 12: 40
      Despite the fact that the former military at the factory is a plague. A million self-conceit, voluntarism in decision-making, unwillingness to recognize their own unprofessionalism, attempts to lead civilians as fighters in their battalion, and a wild misunderstanding of why work falls apart, and employees do not respect and send it to hell.
    2. +7
      24 March 2019 13: 42
      Why in Roscosmos military leadership. There should be a techie at the helm. In the end, Korolev, Glushko, Chelomei were civilian specialists. Well, send Uncle Rogozin to work in his specialty - let him pee in newspapers.
      And the rest you are right:
      "The trouble is, since the pies will start the cobbler oven,
      And the boots stitch the pastry,
      And things won’t work out.
      Yes, and a hundredfold
      What who loves to take someone else’s craft,
      He forever others stubborn and foolish:
      He'd better ruin everything "
  23. +5
    24 March 2019 12: 37
    I admit that the level of the article is amateurish, but the article is excellent. Roscosmos is just a standard of Russian problems. Unprofessionalism of the leadership, loss of productive personnel, misuse of the budget, cutting, dusting in the eyes and as a result stagnation and loss of position.
  24. BAI
    +3
    24 March 2019 12: 58
    I am not a jingoistic patriot, for which I have already caught a lot of minuses, but in summary of the author we can say:
    We will not fly into space, then what:
    1. The time has not come.
    2. The conditions are not ripe.
    3. The atmosphere is not favorable.

    Why is it always all (the vast majority) of the articles on the VO are one-sided? Either everything is good, or everything is bad. Either ahead of the rest, or where dark as night? Either Stalin and the USSR - the genius and greatest achievement of history, or - the executioner and throwing Russia hundreds of years ago?

    Why, when a question is being considered, are either only pluses or only minuses considered?
    1. -3
      24 March 2019 14: 09
      There are no pluses as there is nothing to consider.
  25. +5
    24 March 2019 14: 34
    I repeat by the 30s Russia will completely lose its space expansion, and will only work on maintenance and small orders from foreign private traders ...
    1. -2
      24 March 2019 17: 17
      By this time, all foreign private traders will give preference to their private traders - on missiles - they are already like mushrooms, rods - in all corners of the world.
  26. +2
    24 March 2019 15: 07
    bravo comrade skomorokhov, your articles are 90% pure truth, plus you all the same have certain information and knowledge just with pleasure I always read thanks
  27. +8
    24 March 2019 15: 23
    Quote: etsma
    I agree, the author went too far with the arrivals of readers-commentators. Not all specialists buy for what they sell. Many want to believe in a brighter future. And so the article is interesting. There is something to think about. We’ll wait and see. I would like to know what useful experiments they conduct in foreign modules there?

    Well this is Roman style. Question with arrivals on readers-commentators? Well, to be honest, sometimes such commentators can infuriate anyone. They are sometimes indifferent to the real situation. If someone’s opinion does not correspond, it is necessary to trample.
    Yes, not all experts, moreover, I will say that most of them are not at all specialists in such areas, but can they have their own opinion, and not just baseless laziness? Maybe Roman went too far in something or didn’t say everything - that’s understandable. Just cosmonautics - this is such an industry that is always in sight. Many of the writers remember the successes of the Soviet cosmonautics, and now only conversations, conversations and conversations.
    And here sometimes you see completely empty, meaningless, but hurray-patriotic posts, like "More missiles, good and new" ...
    Unfortunately Roman is right that the quality of the comments has deteriorated. When I registered a few years ago, it was interesting to talk, exchange opinions with others, with those who know more than you. Now most of them have gone, but the percentage of "others" has soared to unattainable heights .... Unfortunately

    Quote: Moore Meow
    In fact, if you follow what is happening carefully and without emotion, you will notice that priorities have changed in the leadership responsible for defense and for near-defense industries - it has been decided to replace conventional mass weapons with some kind of "wunderwolf" with limited spending on their production, they will provide (supposedly) "the whole world in dust" ("we will die as heroes, and they will all just die") ...

    Alas, it seems that these people do not want to understand that "wunderwaffe" is certainly good, but a war, if it lasts not 3-4 hours or 3-4 weeks, but months, such a war will not be waged by "Wunderwaffe" , but massive weapons. 15 "Armata" is certainly good, but the main battles will be with the use of the T-72, or earlier samples (if protracted). Even the most advanced and "unparalleled technology" gets lost and destroyed. As much as hurray-patriots do not want to believe otherwise

    Quote: Vadim237
    The priority of Russia in military equipment is this - we build less but more powerful and more efficiently at lower cost

    Vadim! I am afraid this trend will be wrong. Less, even with increased power and efficiency, does not guarantee that this technique will give a positive result. New or there should be a lot - then the quantity goes unambiguously into quality or ... not to be at all. And if, for example, in the next 5 years they make 50 SU-57s (for example), while our opponent will have a hundred F-22s and 3-4 hundreds of F-35s, then no matter how "wunderwaffe" our SU is -57 and no matter how weak their F-35s are, we won't be able to pull out in numbers ...

    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Honestly, it would be better to spend this money for "peaceful space" on national security goals: restoration of groups of meteorological and reconnaissance satellites, early warning systems, development of new ICBMs. Yes, for the same hypersound. As for me, Sarmat is more priority than any rover.

    And the money of "peaceful space" one way or another also works for defense. If you cut off funding, for example, the creation of new carriers, then no matter what super-duper a particular satellite will be, if there is nothing to launch it. Or the same SPRN satellite. It will need to be thrown to a geostationary or a VEO. And it will be necessary to throw in serial launch vehicles, which will be worked out only if it is "civilian", because as many military as civilians are usually not launched. Meteo, like remote sensing - satellites are not just civilian or military, they are multipurpose. They work for both the Ministry of Defense and the "peaceful"
    The development of new ICBMs is still not space. Even the most advanced ICBM to date, which has become a launch vehicle, the R-36M UTTKh (Dnepr launch vehicle), launches about 3,5 tons into low orbit with a throw weight of 8,5 tons. So ICBMs are one thing, space carriers are somewhat different.
    Well, "hypersound" ... Here you could not resist the well-known and boring trend "hypersound". It has existed all these decades, but it has never been put at the forefront. Warheads ICBMs have always been hypersonic. The variants of the PKB type "Albatross", developed during the Union times, too, and the descent spacecraft too. But now when it is necessary and when it is not necessary, "hypersound" is necessarily remembered - it has become a rule of good taste
    And you are wrong. "Sarmat" cannot be a priority in relation to the "rover". They are still two different departments. Although the developments on the "rover" will make it possible to use them in work on robotic complexes ...

    Quote: Ded-kadet
    We launch silent satellites into space silently ..
    Houston is thoughtful and even panic ..

    Oh, something reminds me of this style of the notorious Mikhan-Vitalik (we omit the other fifty nicknames for simplicity). "Sly" satellites and panic among the Americans are the favorite hobbyhorse of our jingoistic patriots. America is terrified of our "cunning" satellites and missiles. True, we often learn about these satellites and missiles from the same "sworn friends". And the statements of their media (or rather our retelling, in our media) are considered at face value.

    Quote: viktor_ui
    To the dealers from Roscocosmos a very convenient screen SECRETLY unambiguous.

    It’s not only for the figures from Roscosmos a convenient screen. Secrecy has always been a convenient screen ...
    1. -5
      24 March 2019 17: 25
      The time of such wars has long passed, no massive tank attacks on the forehead will be anymore - as well as mass fighter raids on foreign territory - the first artillery and ATGMs will be raked out, the second air defense will hit you, the remote control - long-range missiles, kamikaze drones, strategic strike UAVs, BRRS , ICBMs, the rest are local conflicts in the likeness of Ukrainian Syrian and others.
    2. -3
      24 March 2019 20: 19
      Oh, how many letters. Somewhere there is truth. Are you an opponent of state secrets? Reveal everything and the United States has happiness - shuttles flew!
  28. -1
    24 March 2019 15: 23
    Krasava! Such a talented nagging! And he wants the zealous to leap up and reveal all the secrets to him.
    1. 0
      25 March 2019 11: 34
      For a long time, American intelligence has known all our state secrets, unlike local commentators. Therefore, the United States is so calm about the hype that Putin’s cartoons were raised in our country.
  29. +4
    24 March 2019 16: 19
    ... Putin must understand that his tactics of appointing loyal and loyal people to the posts is vicious.
    And Vaska listens, but eats. © Putin appointed another former security guard (formerly a porter of umbrellas part-time) as governor of the Astrakhan region. What will be the level of management in the Astrakhan region? request
    1. -4
      24 March 2019 17: 26
      Most likely the demand will be in person.
      1. 0
        25 March 2019 11: 40
        Demand should be prosecutor, not Putin. If Putin personally put a person in office, then Putin will not particularly ask him. This is his main mistake - he places uninitiated and illiterate people in responsible positions, but they are completely loyal to him personally.
        1. -1
          25 March 2019 13: 01
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          This is his main mistake.

          "It's worse than a crime - it's a mistake." © Sh.M. Talleyrand
          And this happens at all levels of the "vertical".
  30. +2
    24 March 2019 16: 39
    Capitalism - any, both ours and sky - in principle, is not capable of manned space exploration. It’s forever to be attached. The life support system is shrouded or docked. But do not invest. About this yet comrade Korolev reported to academics in 1963. Here is the text of the report: https://sdelka-roman.livejournal.com/6974.html
    1. -3
      24 March 2019 17: 29
      "Capitalism - any, both ours and sky - in principle is not capable of manned space exploration." Musk proved the opposite with his new "Dragon", and he is not alone in this direction from the private capitalists.
      1. -2
        24 March 2019 18: 48
        In what year of space development, please tell me? And I haven’t proved anything yet!
        1. -1
          24 March 2019 21: 03
          Since 2006, when he created the company, he proved everything, there is a manned ship, it takes off and is brought down, several more test flights in unmanned mode and this year a manned flight.
          1. -3
            24 March 2019 21: 23
            ABOUT! A speech worthy of falling in love with the mind. How young you are! You can envy. Do you seriously think that you can create a car in 10 years from scratch? This does not happen. And then all these achievements of the 60s of the USSR. And now he is on the brink, which the United States has never overcome. And still it will be a repetition of the past.
            1. -3
              25 March 2019 00: 41
              In 10 years, how else can you create it? As an engineer, a technologist, I assure you.
  31. -1
    24 March 2019 16: 45
    I propose to look at everything real. I learned from Wikipedia - the ISS initially in 1991 decided to build without Russia - the USA, Europe and Japan. But they don’t have any traction; there is no experience in real space construction. As a result, they invited Russia in 1993. Therefore, in the future station they will not do without us. Or perhaps they should be allowed to swim independently. And then the latest competencies will be stolen.
    Here they told in a personal conversation, the story of how the Americans in the first joint flights began to engage in petty theft (or maybe industrial espionage?) - one astronaut hid a light overalls in personal belongings. When the crew commander convicted, she declared for the museum de.
    1. +1
      24 March 2019 16: 51
      Yes, no one will ignore. It just moved from the flagship to the club of equal space powers. Just moving is not good. Shows that the trend needs to be changed.
      1. -2
        24 March 2019 17: 07
        No, this is our false perception imposed on the media. That they need to rise to us. The most difficult thing is manned space exploration. And here our groundwork is huge, unlike the whole West. Achievements of China, yes there are, but this is all copying.
        1. -1
          24 March 2019 21: 30
          The USA's groundwork for space exploration is not inferior and even surpasses our, since the 60s, the first space rocket plane "Dinosaur" suborbital aircraft rocket plane X 15, the largest launch vehicle Saturn 5, piloted by Apollo, orbital station Skylab, Voyager 1, Space Shuttles, Voyager 2, the Hubble telescope, the reusable first stage of the rocket that flew repeatedly four times, several dozen long-distance expeditions to other planets of the solar system, at this stage they have five manned ships in iron - at different stages of testing, the development of two super-heavy rockets, two medium and one light, and we have that at this stage - the modernization of Zenith - into Soyuz 5, the Angara rocket that cannot fly in any way, the super-heavy Yenisei of the 28th year, the incomplete Vostochny cosmodrome - they did it all over the country, thanks to Spetsstroy, the stretching rubber band Federation then 24 or 26gg Fly "- you understand hell, constant noodles about lunar bases, which, like diarrhea, quickly and abruptly, breaks out of the mouth of Roscosmos every week - "We will create" "Ours will fly" - 30th and after years.
          1. -5
            24 March 2019 22: 04
            Add crawling unknown rovers. Everything is running! Have you seen a documentary filmed by the Americans about the return of Apollo 13? They talk a lot about flights, but they’re silent about returning! These are circus performers, not astronauts. And the press conference of the first Apollonites! These are not people who happily escaped the expected death every second, but people who are ready for charges and arrest.
            In short, if they so imagined the condition of a man who returned from outer space, then all their long-term expeditions are nonsense. Explore the site materials-
            http://manonmoon.ru
            1. -3
              25 March 2019 00: 44
              I don’t need these jaundice materials - I operate with mostly technical facts, they had everything and have it now.
              1. -4
                25 March 2019 05: 36
                jaundice, this is what we are doing now. But US films, they really exist and these are facts of self-disclosure.
                The site I'm talking about is a site where the work of engineers and scientists is collected.
                1. 0
                  25 March 2019 11: 10
                  The USA has a lot of films of every kind and variety - but this is all for entertainment, and I'm talking about real achievements in space.
  32. -2
    24 March 2019 16: 54
    Personally, I think all people sharing budget money are reasonable people. Well, there’s no way even today to fly outside the NOU. So the moon and Mars are a cover. For different Fed, this is an opportunity to increase their overall dependence on them, for banks - capital, industrialists - loans and capitalization, and the military will receive powerful carriers.
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  34. +1
    24 March 2019 19: 14
    Well done, Roman, hacked the truth - the womb!
  35. +1
    24 March 2019 20: 12
    And if you follow the path "less is better," that is, first of all, think about the future of national cosmonautics as an industry that provides everything necessary for our science and industry, including oil and gas, Russian Railways, and nuclear. Industrialists must set goals and see the return on their money. The military, of course, must also say their weighty word, discarding any talk about "transferring weapons into space": "Yes, we are transferring, but what?" Or why then is there "secrecy"?
    But the concept of a "space taxi park", which the former would-be leaders were allegedly proud of, must be discarded altogether. There is also no need for some kind of records for the sake of records, launches for holidays, birthdays and just to wipe someone's nose. Not in the morning, alas, we will miss the time, and it will be impossible to turn it back. Of course, we need to get rid of dependence on American NASA. The Americans specifically use our space industries for their own purposes, often simply slowing down their development and modernization, forcing them to produce outdated equipment. If it was their will, they would have handed out blankets to us, infected with smallpox, but the time has not yet come for that ... These are all the consequences of the collapse of the USSR that must be overcome.
    It would be necessary to think about a certain analogue of the "Joint-Stock Company of the Voluntary Air Fleet", "Dobrolet", organized on March 17, 1923 and which became the prototype of modern Aeroflot. We have capitalism in our country, or what, and where are the shares in the free sale of the same cosmodromes, etc. objects, shares of "Spaceship" finally? There is none of them. Consequently, there is no control over the movement of funds. I don’t draw up or approve the so-called budget of the country, but in 1923, it turns out, no one hoped for the budget ... But the organization of such joint-stock companies is a separate topic, although, in my opinion, it is overdue.
    And, most importantly, we must rely on youth. In the 30s, there were slogans (and many): "Build the USSR air fleet", "What have you done for the air fleet?" etc. Millions of young people went to aviation, and then came to astronautics. And S.P. Korolev and Yu.A. Gagarin did not come there by chance, but precisely because they were interested. It sounds trite, but without interest a person will not work well even for a large salary, which we observe today in almost all spheres of the economy.
    I apologize for the verbosity, but regarding people who someone likes or dislikes, you can recall the words of one Russian historical figure, in whom the domestic aviation industry was born, and then grew into space: "We need to be able to work with the human material that is available. They won't give us other people."
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    1. -4
      24 March 2019 21: 33
      As with what, they sat out chairs, warmed their ass and safely pocketed money in their pockets - that's all.
  37. -5
    24 March 2019 21: 14
    “No, it’s so clear that you need an orbit. You will dissect there on your sofas and express your unique and infallible opinion from cosmic heights. Shouting“ urya ”to the whole world (in the long term to the entire solar system) and approving another promise Rogozin about landing on Titan. " - this is why Roman got so excited, ascended into orbit and now looks at us mortals with contempt? Or raised your own level to such an extent that it is already crowded on the VO website? “But most of all, it is depressing that every day there are fewer and fewer people who are able to soberly assess it. And more and more“ patriots ”who can only jump and shout loudly on a given topic” - this is how we have one “unpatriot” who does not jump and can soberly evaluate everything - this is Roman, he is certainly capable of a lot, since he is so smart, maybe in Rogozin's place? These are certainly not articles on VO writing, but making decisions, and sometimes very non-standard ones. Do you see, you see, Roman does not see continuity, so "everything is lost", and most importantly - it was Putin who ordered Rogozin to ditch everything, and this is written by an author who considers himself normal? For Roman, in his anti-Putin orientation, it is normal, but for many of us - no!
    1. +1
      25 March 2019 11: 55
      But did not Putin put Rogozin in this position? And who set Medvedev?
      Take any industry in Russia: regions where the appointees are Vikings or not competent military, former immigrants from the special services, or even simple security guards of senior management; State Duma deputies, filled with artists, athletes, sons of popular figures, and just bought mandates from parliamentary parties (which is no secret) - the same thing everywhere, the ball is ruled by unprofessionalism, incompetence, ignorance.
      And what do we want from their work? Breakthrough, jerk, achievements?
      There will be none of this, only degradation and collapse. Alas, unfortunately.
      1. 0
        25 March 2019 14: 21
        Fan-Fan - But in Ust-Ilimsk, a housewife was elected mayor, and who was President Reagan? And Bush? And who was competent Brezhnev, they are still looking for the institute he graduated from, maybe the combine operator Gorbachev was competent, although he graduated from the university, or the builder Yeltsin? There is no need to engage in chatter, you seem to know who bought what and who appointed, but Medvedev did not please you with what, you don’t like your face? By the way, the government under his leadership coped with both the crisis and the sanctions quite adequately - this can be assessed so, to be honest, and not listen to the opposition. What breakthroughs and achievements do you want with such a budget? How much money was allocated to Roskosmos? That is what it developed for and that "competent" leaders managed to steal something.
        1. -1
          25 March 2019 15: 55
          Well, of course, I did it when, for 6+ years, I had to choose the ceiling money from oil, and then say that mana is heavenly. Now, if they revived the economy, without cutting oil dollars, then yes, honor and praise, and so it’s not very smart ...
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    1. -2
      25 March 2019 05: 40
      And what has the USA built in space to this day? . The entire docking system from the USSR.
      1. 0
        25 March 2019 11: 02
        Yes, almost the entire USS was built. and where does the USSR
        This ISS in the form in which it is generally without shuttles was not possible to build
    2. -3
      25 March 2019 12: 00
      Vasya, well then write us an article about the great achievements of Roscosmos. Just explain in your article why China has 38 launches in 2018, the United States is in second place, they have 31 launches. And Russia, alas, in the third - with 17 launches, but Rogozin planned 30 launches. Well, now waiting for your bunch?
      1. +1
        25 March 2019 14: 24
        Fan-Fan - the answer is very simple, compare the budget of the USA, China and Russia and you’ll understand everything, it’s impossible to jump higher .........!
  40. -3
    25 March 2019 00: 22
    It's a strange article ... Roma seems to write everything correctly, but (again!) Somehow one-sided. Not a single SANE-THOUGHTING person (and Putin V.V.) will argue that in Russia EVERYTHING is good in ANY branch of industry. On the contrary, while everything is bad. With rare exceptions. So there are problems in the space industry. But! Let's consider the question of the need for a near-earth station in general. Stations where cosmonauts conduct any kind of experiments. And it turns out that there is no such need. Everything that needs to be experienced is tested, and what needs to be tested in the future can be experienced WITHOUT the presence of astronauts. And there is nothing to whine. Thus, now there is a struggle between two parties: the party "Urya at any cost" and the party "We can, but only count the money." Here we note one circumstance: IMPORTANT! It just so happened that Russia is the successor to the USSR. It did not appear from scratch. Here is Avtovaz. From the USSR. With all the ensuing sores. But the President is sorry not so much for the plant itself as for the people indirectly associated with the production of Ladas. And the space industry is exactly the same. Well and more. Roma Skomorokhov can also cry about the aircraft carriers. Or boats. But you need to understand that there is no money in Russia for everything. Here is enough for the military. And pensioners are in the priest ... And nobody canceled the Constitution - the bowels of the OLIGARCHS are now. And the money is shared with officials ... So Vostochny will be built and there will be bases on the Moon. If the Chinese help ...
  41. +2
    25 March 2019 10: 24
    The main thing is that Mr. Putin must nevertheless understand that his tactics of appointing loyal and loyal people to the posts is flawed. Especially with respect to Roscosmos. Rogozin, a journalist, knows nothing about these matters. And the manager is absolutely disgusting.

    He won't understand anything! We see the Putin regime in all its glory, it is impossible to bypass the objective law "a leader is not able to take a subordinate stronger than himself," and all achievements like "cars in the backyard" are just a derivative of raw material prices.
  42. -1
    25 March 2019 13: 59
    How did the all-crawler get it! What did Professor Preobrazhensky say there about space-scale councils and cosmic stupidity, as well as about cleaning the sheds? That is precisely what the whole country needs to work, each in its own place. And then someone writes comprehensive articles, and at the same time can not wash the sleep in his own entrance, someone is afraid to put signatures before a risky launch. That's how we live.
  43. +1
    25 March 2019 15: 09
    Bravo Roman !!! A great article where you examined the problems of our Cosmonautics.
    I can only say one thing, that in addition to patriotism and love for the motherland, which is undoubtedly among comrade There is Rogozin, one must still have the courage to abandon a position that you do not meet! Dear Comrades of the FSB, if you are reading this site, please pay attention to the city of Korolev, near Moscow, where the headquarters for the Manned Cosmonautics RSC Energia is located. There is no development at the enterprise, for 10 years 5 general designers have already been replaced. Every 2 years a new leader with his retinue, what kind of lunar base can be here ??? The level of workers and engineers is declining every year. Nobody even remembers about the Hole in the Union, it becomes a secret covered in seven seals, as with the Boeing of flight MH17. At the entrance to the city there is an unfinished GLONASS center built since 2006, everything will not be completed! The city is led by the dark, thieving personalities of Comrade. Koptsik city manager ntit it to the left and mayor Comrade Khodyrev, residents of Korolev did not vote for him! Reuts were plundered now they were sent to Korolev! In the city of Pts. there are a lot of violations from the new central stadium, which for some reason was handed over with only one tribune, to a residential building built 20m from the Bolshevo station where the Railways pass! Unfortunately, Cosmos doesn’t need anyone right now; everyone is cutting loot!
  44. -1
    25 March 2019 19: 40
    Ohhh ... to see strongly Rogozin pressed someone with a callus, since custom articles twisted one after another!
    1. 0
      26 March 2019 03: 17
      Yes, in the real lack of authors)))
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  46. 0
    26 March 2019 00: 15
    In my opinion, it is strange to judge the problems of the space industry without considering or not wanting to consider the picture in the state (country) as a whole. They are interconnected and inseparable. It should be understood that the space industry is a subsidized sphere and does not bring profit as such in the near future (let's put into brackets the commercial delivery of goods, it is impossible to make money on it for the development of the industry). Therefore, it is necessary to focus on the fact that not everyone can afford space and from this it is necessary to begin further discussions about the "bad" State, Roscosmos, Putin, the designer, etc. (emphasize the necessary). If we turn our eyes to the budgets of Roscosmos, NASA and ESA, then all the "secrets of the universe" will be revealed to us, namely, even in the grain years 2010-2013, Roskosmos was on a level with ESA and 3-4 times lighter than NASA in terms of the "mass" of the budget. So, what am I all about, probably, Russia in these years had more important tasks, for example, re-equipment of the army and R&D in other spheres of activity, more "mundane". Accordingly, a small flow of money compared to competitors and, as a result, more modest achievements. And, as a result, the inability to maintain expensive programs that are either closed or transferred. Further, on the subject of degradation, I do not quite understand why this article, derogatory to our rocket science, did not consider the largest degradation of NASA specialists? "Descending" from the conquerors of the Moon to beggars for delivery to the ISS, isn't this degradation and humiliation? But the author modestly kept silent about this, it seems that his haits are more pleasant, unfortunately. Further about Maskov, Bezosov, Boeings, etc. I will not put forward or promote conspiracy theories, but the trips of Musk and Bezos's trusted people to Russia for the "cup of the grail" are widely known, draw your own conclusions (just remember the project "Rossiyanka" and others. ) So, whatever one may say, everything depends on money and money again. NASA can afford to indulge, we, unfortunately, cannot. Further, regarding the specialists. A specialist for that and a specialist that is good in his field, familiar to him, and a specialist in rocketry is not equal to an expert in corporate management. That kind of hints. I agree with you that Rogozin is a controversial candidate. But here, as they say, there is no fish and cancer))). In general, you are not the first, you are not the last, who hait our Roscosmos, but, unfortunately, this criticism is destructive, none of the "writers" offered any ideas for solving problems, you are no exception. So we will rejoice at what we have and hope for our Kulibins and let them work in peace, and not water them with feces. It helped in the defense industry, why doesn't it help in space?)))
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  48. +1
    26 March 2019 11: 32
    Sad But, unfortunately, it is. And this is only a fragment of the big picture. The situation is similar with weapons. There is no one to do, nothing and nothing. But in all media, near-patriotic frenzy.
  49. +1
    26 March 2019 21: 06
    Quote: shamil
    And what has the USA built in space to this day? . The entire docking system from the USSR.


    The docking system is by no means from the USSR. I don’t know ... whether you turn on Google if you still haven’t heard about skyleb, appolon union, etc. etc.
  50. 0
    27 March 2019 21: 32
    2023 year. Khrunichev Center, distracted from the construction of a new miracle buildinginserts the tanks into place.
    This is the essence of the process under the guidance of a philologist and effective managers. Suck everything, ditch everything!
  51. -2
    27 March 2019 22: 54
    Alas, unfortunately, following many, I have to admit that the level of readers of Military Review is not the same. And not a cake.

    As does the level of the authors, as well as the one who wrote this article.
  52. 0
    April 2 2019 20: 48
    We need to start with the construction of new anti-gravity ships. The technology has been around for a long time, at least among Americans. Then it will be possible to build a new station quickly. Next, remove weightlessness at the station, as was done at the orbital station of the Secret Space Program. And there you can build bases on the Moon and Mars. They're already busy, though. But you can try to talk. At least in the Lunar Operations Directorate we can try to agree to have our own representatives, if our country does not have them there yet.
  53. 0
    17 May 2019 06: 55
    Of course, the author has the best information. Not everything is going smoothly for the Americans. Although they write a lot about flights to the Moon, and even about the colonization of Mars. They often have this or that project not included in the budget at all. Neither we nor they a logical chain of flights to the Moon has not been built. In order to turn a satellite into cheese, it will take more time than we all think.

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