Karabakh breakthrough or Karabakh deadlock

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20 March Azerbaijan accused Stepanakert of machine gun fire. According to Baku, the cease-fire regime was broken 29 times within 24 hours. Just yesterday, 19 in March, there were 21 such incidents, the statement says that three Azerbaijani villages suffered.





The Armenian side also does not sit "idly", accusing Baku of 250 - including mortar shells - just last week. In total, according to estimates of the Transcaucasian media, since the end of the so-called. "Four-day war" in the conflict zone killed 81 people.

At the moment, the situation looks deadlocked.

Meanwhile, the Armenian radical party Sasna Tsrer, marked in July 2016 by attacking the police station and taking hostages, began collecting signatures on the annexation of Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia - and at the same time speaks sharply against the Russian Federation.

According to the leaders of the party, their main concern is the stagnation of the situation along the lines of Abkhazia.

Artsakh is under the threat of "Abkhazia", ​​it is necessary to stop all these attempts. Look at the situation in which Abkhazia or South Ossetia is today. We must take steps to eliminate Russia's influence on Karabakh


- considers the leader of the party Zhirayr Sefilyan.

Back in January, the new Armenian government announced new negotiations. Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, who came to power in Armenia on the wave of protest speeches, announced the implementation of a new policy in this direction.

It is worth noting that Pashinyan dismissed the so-called power station for many years. "The Karabakh clan". During the war, Serzh Sargsyan (in different years, the Prime Minister and the President of Armenia) was the chairman of the NKR Self-Defense Forces Committee, Robert Kocharian - another former President of Armenia - headed the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic in 90's. “The Karabakh clan” in a certain period virtually monopolized the economic and political power in the country, and echo of this will be heard in any statement of Nikol Pashinyan.



Pashinyan has to sit on two chairs. On the one hand, he came to power as an opposition liberal politician who threw off a seemingly unshakable lump of security and military officials. On the other hand, the Karabakh agenda remains one of the most pressing issues in Armenia - despite the high level of corruption (according to international estimates).

The new prime minister had to maneuver. And, like, by announcing peace talks and setting a new vector for the Karabakh policy, he practically immediately identified several completely unacceptable for Azerbaijan - even at the level of the initiative - decisions.



To begin with, Pashinyan immediately stressed that "the formula of Levon Ter-Petrosyan" territories in exchange for peace "cannot even be discussed." That is, in fact, it seems that having made a peaceful gesture towards, suddenly changed direction and crossed out one of the main demands of Azerbaijan.

The next step of Pashinyan was the requirement to make Stepanakert one of the official participants in the peace process - something that Baku is not ready for in principle. Indeed, recognition of the power of Nagorno-Karabakh is, in fact, recognition of the sovereignty of these territories.

Political analyst and historian Oleg Kuznetsov in an interview with the Azerbaijani edition of Day.az summarized the requirements of Baku in the following way:

It all comes down to two fundamental questions:

1) the restoration of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and the return of the occupied territories under its jurisdiction;

2) guarantees and the maintenance of the special status of the Armenian population of Nagorno-Karabakh as potential citizens of Azerbaijan, and also as an optional item of this issue - compensation to those Karabakh Armenians who want to leave Karabakh in the event of its peaceful return to Azerbaijan (when solving the issue militarily, You see, there will be no talk about these compensations in principle).


However, all actions of Pashinyan can be regarded as part of public policy. Similar games in their homeland are led by Ilham Aliyev, however, as an authoritarian ruler who has a little more freedom. 11 January, publicly stating at a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers of Azerbaijan:

We will use and will use all means to isolate Armenia until our lands are liberated


- at the same time, in the framework of negotiations on the fate of Karabakh, he is engaged in a dialogue on possible economic cooperation with Armenia.

The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict costs both parties dearly, both financially and politically. It would seem that it is necessary to force the situation and go on a political and diplomatic breakthrough. But the parties themselves are stumped and unable to maneuver, which makes Azerbaijan and Armenia too dependent on regional allies, and no one in the South Caucasus loves this. This is to a large extent related to the role of Russia.

There are some complaints that we have forgotten, but not forgotten by Armenia, against Vladimir Lenin, who transferred part of the Armenian lands to Turkey. And actually given to 4 aircraft, I can hardly compensate the Armenians for the impossibility of being a little more independent in their own foreign policy. All this concerns a more friendly and traditionally allied Armenia.

Pashinyan diligently works with the so-called "Karabakh clan" in order to have free hands to achieve their own goals. When the entire fate of a country turns out to be hostage to a single territorial issue, either its non-trivial decision or political will becomes a matter of principle. Otherwise, any questions will be tied to the needs of one group of the population.

In order not to lose the “people's love” publicly, the head of the Armenian government has to be tougher than the “hawks” from among the former leaders of the republic. But at the same time, having released Kocharyan, he removed from office the defense minister of the self-proclaimed republic Levon Mnatsakanyan: his commander of the 5 army Karen Abrahamyan, a professional soldier of the Armenian armed forces, who has nothing to do with Karabakh.



Fundamentally impossible to resolve the situation often only seem so. A good example is the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. The seemingly impossible peace was concluded literally two years after the start of negotiations, and it still holds.

The cruel truth of real life is that peace is almost always achieved through war. In order for the signatures to be written down in ink on paper, securing the peaceful border of the two countries, we had to make painful concessions and bury the thousands who died.

In the Doomsday War (or, as the Egyptians call it, October), which began and ended in the autumn of the 1973 year, both sides declared victory. And in 1979, Menachem Begin, the Israeli Prime Minister, and Anwar Sadat, the president of Egypt, shook hands.

It can be seen that something similar can wait for Armenia and Azerbaijan. The whole question is that the heads of Armenia and Azerbaijan often shake hands, including at CIS summits. The only question is the number of wars that the parties will have to go through. Or is peaceful resolution at the round table still possible? To be a Karabakh breakthrough or remain a Karabakh deadlock?
  • Evgeny Kamenetsky
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  1. BAI
    0
    20 March 2019 15: 39
    It can be seen that something like this may await Armenia with Azerbaijan.

    Not very soon, and then on condition that no one resets the counter. One Ukrainian toad jump - and everything will have to start all over again.
    1. -3
      20 March 2019 17: 47
      Interestingly, the "expert" Oleg Kuznetsov does not really know that the Armenians of Ar * Tsakh were completely up to the "guarantees" and "content of the special status" of the NKAR in the Azerbaijan SSR from 1923 to 1989? By the way, why can the names of unrecognized republics, like Abkhazia, South Ossetia, be written in the VO without any problems whatsoever, and the name Ar * Tsakh cannot be written except through the use of some extraneous characters?
      1. -1
        20 March 2019 19: 44
        Is this not the Kuznetsov who worked in Baku as a photographer in Soviet times, but in America became a historian and political scientist?
        1. 0
          20 March 2019 20: 39
          He is. With a monkey offered to be photographed on the promenade.
  2. +5
    20 March 2019 15: 41
    Fundamentally impossible to resolve the situation often only seem so.

    In this case, it does not seem, but there is such a situation.
    Armenia will never surrender Karabakh.
    Azerbaijan will never refuse from it.
    And you Eugene yourself presented, in fact, the only solution.
    The harsh truth of real life is that achieving peace almost always goes through war.
    1. -1
      20 March 2019 18: 24
      Quote: Livonetc
      Armenia will never surrender Karabakh.

      This is not a fact ... From the first days of independence and until the last days of Serzhik - with the exception of the time since February 1998. before the pogrom in parliament 27.10.99 - Armenia was ruled by a zion-worshiping scum who would have surrendered Karabakh quietly, and Armenia itself ... It just did it quietly so that it would not be so noticeable ...
  3. +14
    20 March 2019 15: 49
    I think there will be heads that will adequately respond to the situation in our region.
    1. +6
      20 March 2019 16: 14
      And pen - IMI (Israeli Military Industry) Systems good laughing
      Good word and gun? wink
      1. +6
        20 March 2019 16: 22
        Do not consider it a threat, just what is at hand hi
        1. +2
          20 March 2019 16: 24
          That is what I wanted to write))
        2. +4
          20 March 2019 16: 25
          Come on! On Mont Blanc there is also the Star of David of white color)) I just pinned laughing
        3. +3
          21 March 2019 07: 10
          no threat laughing laughing laughing
  4. -2
    20 March 2019 15: 57
    It's all there forever. Thanks to Stalin for "drawing" the boundaries.
  5. +6
    20 March 2019 15: 58
    [/ quote] Robert Kocharian, another former president of Armenia, headed the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic in the 90s. The “Karabakh clan” in a certain period actually monopolized the economic and political power in the country, and this will be echoed in any statement by Nikol Pashinyan. [Quote]

    It is interesting that the author does not even put in quotation marks the name of the self-proclaimed "NKR". I don’t remember that this education was recognized by the Russian Federation. If so, why interpret, distort, and even violate the site rules? Well, okay, you know better, but in the end it won't change anything))
    1. 0
      20 March 2019 18: 21
      Quote: KARAKURT15
      It is interesting that the author does not even put in quotation marks the name of the self-proclaimed "NKR". I don’t remember that this education was recognized by the Russian Federation. If so, why interpret, distort, and even violate the site rules? Well, okay, you know better, but in the end it won't change anything))


      I do not take. A bad tendency is to put in quotes the names of territories, self-proclaimed states or fully recognized by one or other countries. There are still no clear definitions of the state, and the UN, on the one hand, recognizing the right of nations to self-determination, also speaks of the indivisibility of the territories of countries. That's so that in the duality does not get confused - without quotes all. Here you are how to write Taiwan? And the Chinese can be offended
      1. +2
        20 March 2019 19: 36
        And I don't write about Taiwan at all, for example Chechnya is closer to me than Taiwan. But about Chechnya, as it were, I don't write "Republic of Ichkeria". Well, in the end, no matter how you write about Karabakh, it will not become Armenian. Kara-black, bang-garden, so our opinions differ. But everything coincides with the opinion of official Moscow. I wish you success in this field, your opinion does not make the difference. Although only a paid hack can confuse a frying pan with the sun! No offense only ...
        1. +3
          20 March 2019 20: 43
          Quote: KARAKURT15

          And I don’t write about Taiwan at all, for example Chechnya is closer to Taiwan than me.

          Nevertheless, you wrote Taiwan without quotes.
          It was quite possible to write about Ichkeria about Chechnya at the time of its actual exit from Russia - nothing shameful, in fact, only a designation of the regime. Check - Republic of Ichkeria You also wrote without quotes.

          Quote: KARAKURT15
          I wish you success in this field, your opinion of the weather does not. Although confused with a griddle sun can only paid for a scribbler!

          You see, dear, I have already paid for the scribbler. Respect begins with the ability to control oneself. And you reacted so nervously to a relatively neutral article devoted mainly to internal movements in Armenia.

          You didn’t even pay attention to the fact that the article clearly states the status of the NKR - the self-proclaimed republic. You did not arrange quotes, without quotes not comme il faut.

          You forgive me for not dancing in front of your rudeness on tiptoe. But politely I note - there is such a thing as a cultural conversation. Before knocking himself on the chest, maybe he should learn? Or not in order?
          1. 0
            20 March 2019 20: 58
            "Republic of Ichkeria" wrote without quotation marks ??? Do you have vision problems?))) Well, I will not argue and exacerbate the situation. I then keep myself in hand and your dance is not at all interesting to me. You do not have to "dance" in front of anyone, it is enough that you are objective. Unfortunately, this cannot be said about your article. Well, in the end, if you saw rudeness in my comments, then I apologize. But that doesn't change my opinion about your article anyway.
            1. +1
              20 March 2019 21: 03
              Quote: KARAKURT15
              I wish you success in this field, your opinion of the weather does not. Although confused with a griddle sun can only paid for a scribbler!

              I think this is definitely a sample of politeness and culture - and you continue
              1. +1
                20 March 2019 22: 15
                If you take me for the uncultured and ignorant, I will accept that too. I repeat, I will not argue on this occasion, because you are your resource and you are manipulating public opinion. Unfortunately, objectivity in your article is completely missing. In my opinion these are bloopers, in your opinion, reality.
                1. 0
                  21 March 2019 08: 42
                  Quote: KARAKURT15
                  If you take me for the uncultured and ignorant, I will accept that too. I repeat, I will not argue on this occasion, because you are your resource and you are manipulating public opinion. Unfortunately, objectivity in your article is completely missing. In my opinion these are bloopers, in your opinion, reality.

                  Does objectivity in this case mean an absolute acceptance of your point of view?
  6. 0
    20 March 2019 16: 17
    Now NATO will come running and "judge" everyone, well, how it can do it.
    1. +2
      20 March 2019 16: 26
      To my great happiness, NATO has no voice in the fateful issues of my state))
  7. 0
    20 March 2019 16: 31
    How does Azerbaijan plan to militarily occupy hostile territory by 99%, how do they generally imagine the integration of such territory? They cannot reconcile themselves to defeat in the war, but it is much easier to do than to start a new war with an unpredictable outcome. Perhaps the situation will be resolved if the USA seriously needs Armenia, then the scenario of Kosovo will be quite probable ..
    1. +2
      20 March 2019 16: 42
      Obviously, the local population will be protected. Since it’s not the 90s now, it’s simply expelled from Karabakh. Probably.
    2. 0
      20 March 2019 18: 19
      There is no defeat. Yes, the territories were temporarily lost (1994), and at that moment, after an urgent "request" from the Russian Federation, they stopped the shooting, signed a TEMPORARY armistice. And the rest of the compote is the result of the actions of the mediators since 1994, who have achieved nothing but prolongation of this conflict, or rather territorial capture from the side of Armenia. No one decides for us if we understand that if the Armenians want to recognize Karabakh or annex these occupied territories to themselves, then the next day there will be a war against the occupier within the internationally recognized borders of Azerbaijan. If they decide to fire or attack Nakhchivan or our northern border regions with Armenia, then Armenia itself will receive a share of the stormy response. If they do not voluntarily return our lands to us, they will have to return through blood, but we will.
      1. +1
        21 March 2019 00: 08
        As they say, there is nothing more permanent than temporary. Large-scale hostilities ended, and it was possible to take stock, because since then little has changed. Recognition of Karabakh or its accession is in fact more a legal issue. Armenia de facto controls this territory. The population is 99% Armenian, what will a new, probably even more bloody war give to Azerbaijan? Therefore, if the countries themselves cannot solve the problem, Russia as a mediator, too, then at some point the West can do it. And at the moment I see his rapprochement with Armenia. Until then, the peoples will continue to hate each other and teach to hate the younger generation, so there will be no solution to the Karabakh conflict.
    3. +2
      20 March 2019 19: 39
      You forget about Kosovo, this is not a precedent, the main thing is Tatarstan, an integral part of Russia!
      1. 0
        21 March 2019 00: 11
        In Kosovo it was just like Karabakh, two peoples hate each other, and one will never want to be under the rule of the other. Therefore, they came up with such an option, and it is quite working, if only in terms of peace on these lands.
    4. +1
      20 March 2019 21: 41
      Most of the occupied territory is empty. There is also no problem with integration, as refugees who returned to these lands who were driven out of their homes in the early 90s will return to these lands.
      It seems to me that you do not quite own the topic once you ask similar questions. Do you know the number of refugees in Azerbaijan?
      1. 0
        20 March 2019 23: 34
        Yes, I believe that now the whole world knows the number of refugees in Azerbaijan, as well as the “20 percent of the lost territory” that do not correspond to reality. It’s also not a secret for anyone that these are “displaced persons” from the territory of regions that were not previously part of the NKAR. Vugar, what does that change? If Mr. Aliyev had spent the money spent on the purchase of various types of weapons to improve the material situation of the “displaced persons”, then they would not now be huddled in shacks and impudent. Your information about empty land is not true. Karvachar, Berdzor are more populated than before. In Akninsky (formerly Agdam) district, people are in no hurry to settle, because this is the main tank hazard, and therefore one of the most likely directions for the offensive.
        1. 0
          20 March 2019 23: 55
          They will have to look for themselves "happiness" in another place once again, since they are there illegally. Voluntarily or by force, they will have to leave illegally seized territories and houses. You are deceiving yourself, you are tuned into the tragedy of your own people and this is your crime against your people .Crime has been committed before us since 1988 and there will certainly be punishment.
        2. 0
          20 March 2019 23: 56
          David. And what do you think the number of refugees? And why should our leadership not buy weapons? Whereas we are adjacent to a state that calls into question our right to own a state and indeed our right to exist, which has its eyes on our sovereign territories, which is supported by separatist groups aimed at dismembering Azerbaijan. Why is refugees asked to forget about their homes from which they were expelled, about the graves of their ancestors? As for the artificially populated ones, they will have to deport what to do or let them accept the citizenship of Azerbaijan. They knew very well that they settled in the territory subjected to ethnic cleansing, let them now blame themselves.
          1. 0
            21 March 2019 00: 20
            As a result of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, there are 583 thousand refugees and displaced persons in Azerbaijan, which is 7,9 percent of the official population of the Republic of Azerbaijan declared by Azerbaijan.
            NKR territory occupied by Azerbaijan - 15%
            The territory of Azerbaijan, under the control of the NKR Defense Army - 8%
            Refugees and displaced persons in the NKR (in% of the population) - 33%
            Refugees and displaced persons in Azerbaijan (as% of population) - 7,9%
            1. 0
              21 March 2019 00: 27
              David, let's not juggle with numbers, all these% need to be compared with the number of population i.e. the population of Karabakh is 100000 and the population of Azerbaijan at the time the conflict began, 7 with this method of calculating% look very different. The same thing on the territory.
      2. 0
        21 March 2019 00: 17
        To return them there, you must first expel the Armenians from there. By the way, do not forget to also return the Armenian refugees to Azerbaijan. And no matter how many Azerbaijani refugees are returned to Karabakh, the Armenian population will still be several times larger. These are all illusions; without ethnic cleansing, Karabakh cannot be integrated. And this in today's realities Azerbaijan will not be allowed to do.
        1. 0
          21 March 2019 00: 39
          Dear, if you return all refugees from both Karabakh and the occupied regions, then the ratio will be completely not in favor of the Armenians. Although the figures are controversial and underestimated (583 thousand refugees and displaced persons), Genisis-David cited higher, and from myself I note that the population of Karabakh today is 150 according to the most optimistic data. As you can see, Azerbaijanis are almost 000 times more. As for the refugees of the Armenians from Azerbaijan, so imagine there are also refugees from Azerbaijan. By the way, it was the Armenians who started ethnic cleansing at the time, from which all this conflict began.
          1. 0
            21 March 2019 01: 55
            Vugar, they didn’t try to ask themselves the question: “If the Armenians really were the first to begin ethnic cleansing, then why did the troops have to be sent to Azerbaijan?”
            1988 thousand Azerbaijanis left Armenia from 1989-168. These 168 thousand people who left Armenia 8-10 months after the pogroms of Armenians in Sumgait and the forced expulsion of more than 350 thousand Armenians from the Azerbaijan SSR, for the most part, exchanged or sold their homes. The rest received compensation from the Armenian government, while Armenian refugees from Azerbaijan have not received any compensation so far. Almost the entire Azerbaijani population left the former NKAR in 1991-92 during the hostilities - 40,6 thousand people, or 21,5% of its population (according to the 1989 census).
            The Azerbaijani population of the Shaumyan region remained in their homes in all 4 Azerbaijani villages located along the perimeter of the district’s borders in its northern and eastern parts (the line of the Karabakh-Azerbaijani front passed in 1991-1992). The Azerbaijani population was not affected in the territories adjacent to the northern part of Nagorno Karabakh, as well as directly in the settlements of the Northern Nagorno Karabakh, from which 1988 Karabakh Armenians were deported in 91-83. Moreover, more than one hundred thousand Azerbaijani refugees were settled in the homes and apartments of Armenians expelled from the northern part of NK.
            According to the aforementioned Azerbaijani data, the population of 7 districts, fully or partially occupied by the NK Defense Army, amounted to 1989 thousand people in 483,9. Considering the fact that the Agdam and Fizuli districts are partly occupied, the total number of displaced people who left these areas amounted to approximately 420 thousand people, of which 45 thousand, according to Azerbaijani data, returned to their homes in 1997. Thus, out of the total number of residents of these seven districts, only 375 thousand people are displaced persons and refugees.
            Thus, the total number of Azerbaijani refugees and displaced persons in Azerbaijan consists of the above number, which should be added to the number of refugees from Armenia (168 thousand people, who, as noted above, exchanged at home or received compensation and therefore can only be considered refugees ) and Nagorno-Karabakh (40 thousand people).
            Thus, in Azerbaijan, due to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, there are 583 refugees and displaced persons, which is 7,9 percent of the official population of the Republic of Azerbaijan declared by Azerbaijan.
            1. 0
              21 March 2019 02: 36
              David. In the period from 1987 to 1990, about 200 thousand Azerbaijanis were deported from the Armenian SSR, of which over 4 thousand were expelled before the Sumgayit events of February 1988. By the way, for the first time I hear about compensations that were allegedly paid by the Armenian government.
              Regarding 350 thousand Armenians, I’ll say that naturally Azerbaijan has a larger territory and the population and of course during the Soviet era there were more production enterprises, which contributed to the influx of migrants from both Armenia and Karabakh, we have already discussed this with you if I’m not mistaken .
              As for the Shahumyan region, it was not part of the NKAO, and it was not feasible for the Armenians to control this region during the war, do not forget the Murov ridge, therefore the resettlement of the Armenian population was disguised as a military operation "ring". The allied government like did us a favor.
              The rest of the numbers given by you (I will not double-check) prove something? In my opinion, these figures only indicate that all refugees should be returned to their homes and all occupied territories should be returned under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan. After all, if you take the figures quoted by you, it becomes obvious that the Azerbaijani population of the region exceeds the Armenian 4 times. Why shouldn't they live on their land?

              ps So, after all, troops were also brought into Armenia, there was also a dispersal of demonstrations and rallies.
              1. 0
                21 March 2019 11: 56
                All refugees have the right to return to their homes, I do not see any difficulties with this. The only question is that not a single Armenian in their right mind will climb into the loop of Azerbaijani jurisdiction.
                1. 0
                  21 March 2019 15: 13
                  Well, we have a common point of view that refugees should return to their land, but there is a contradiction, not a single Azerbaijani in their right mind will go into the loop of Armenian jurisdiction, as well as the Armenians! What to do?
                  Declare this territory independent? Then, after the return of the refugees, taking into account their quantitative dominance, this "independent" region after the elections will turn into a "second Azerbaijani state" and will lose the status of the current "second Armenian". And given the resource and economic potential of the region (not self-sufficient), it will immediately unite with Azerbaijan. How do you agree with this development of the situation?
                  1. 0
                    21 March 2019 15: 50
                    I agree that the independence of Artsakh is a guarantee of security both for the Armenian population and for the Azerbaijani. The issue of independence of the republic is prescribed in the Constitution, without the right to amend this paragraph. And the further development of this state will be a great example for Armenia and Azerbaijan, how to be small and successful. I do not think that over time, the Armenian-Azerbaijani population of Ar * Tsakh will want to be part of Armenia or Azerbaijan. It will be a self-sufficient, successful and prosperous state. A kind of thorn for the establishment of its larger neighbors.
                    1. 0
                      21 March 2019 16: 06
                      David, this option was already offered somewhere in the late 90s. And if I am not mistaken, it was called "a variant of the common state." But he was rejected on both sides. And if you look from the Armenian point of view, this option also involves the replacement of state symbols and state. management i.e. it will no longer be an Armenian land, but a quasi state with a predominance of the Azerbaijani population.
                      As for the constitution, these documents can be changed through a referendum, a ban on which will be regarded as an encroachment on the rights and freedoms of citizens.
                      In my opinion, this option is a delayed war.
                      1. 0
                        21 March 2019 19: 47
                        Vugar. Already, any Azerbaijani can safely come to Artsakh, which Eynulla Fattulaev did when he was a journalist, and not the current publicist of the regime. And nothing will happen. Azerbaijani families can come and stay to live, and nothing will happen to them, they will enjoy the same rights as other citizens of the Republic of Artsakh. This is what we already have today. Therefore, on the Armenian side, there are no obstacles to the return of those who were forced to leave during the war.
                      2. 0
                        21 March 2019 21: 49
                        Let's say that you write it like that, although in fact the opposite is happening. Well, okay, let's say. But the main question remains about which you and I have already said "not a single Azerbaijanian in his right mind will get into the noose of Armenian jurisdiction, as well as the Armenians." There is already an insurmountable contradiction on both sides. The equation does not have a solution in this form, a solution is possible only and only with the liberation of the occupied territory around Karabakh. After all, think, in such a situation, the main demographic danger for the Armenian-populated part of Karabakh disappears.
  8. 0
    20 March 2019 19: 41
    Pashinyan burst into politics and threatened to solve all problems, but "win" the elections and not "lose oneself", things of a different order
  9. 0
    21 March 2019 00: 18
    The author, one could cite the self-name of the republic - the Republic of Ar.tsakh
    (without a point ... your program demanded a point for me).
    For reference, I’ll inform you ... The mentioned former Minister of Defense of the Republic of Artsakh, Levon Mnatsakanyan, is one of the few high-ranking horsemen who did not take bribes ...
    His predecessor, Movses Hakobyan, turned into a cattle by his Minister and turned the Army of the Defense of the Republic of Artsakh into a bazaar and a bar ... duck ... Unfortunately, now he is like an adviser to Pashinyan, instead of being thrown into the city landfill, as he had suggested the chief of the local IT specialists ... Pashinyan, apparently, is jumping, that we will begin to publish about the famous affairs of this bastard ...
    As for the former President Robert Kocharyan ... It was not the people who elected him the President of the Republic of Artsakh ... But the dictator of those years, Samvel Babayan ... Then one person told me that he asked him who would you appoint as President? Well, Babayan replied that Roberta, because ... (well, the "competitor" did not like it).

    We are all waiting here, when all this Levon-Roberto-Serzhikov’s presidential army will be hanged publicly in the square ... Apparently, for this it’s necessary to throw Pashinyan out of his chair by riot ...
  10. 0
    21 March 2019 05: 07
    Only a one-on-one fight without interference from the outside will solve this problem once and for all. And the protracted conflict is beneficial to only one side. The one that has more money.
    1. 0
      21 March 2019 10: 27
      He is not good for anyone. Huge military spending and the power of the war party in both countries. Pashinyan appeared in Armenia, but this is clearly not enough. It is desirable that a new person also appears in Azerbaijan. Then maybe they’ll agree on something. Anyway, they will think about all residents of Karabakh, including refugees, and not about their political and national ambitions. Now the course is behind Azerbaijan, it can start a war and return part of the territory until it is stopped by Russia \ West \ UN, whoever you want. True, the Karabakh conflict will not end there, and the problems will not go anywhere. The difficult question is indisputable, but without the good will of the parties it will not be resolved.
      1. 0
        21 March 2019 15: 52
        There is only one peaceful solution! These are the implementation of UN resolutions, the liberation of the occupied territories, the return of refugees, the temporary interim status for the Armenian population within the framework of the former Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region, the abandonment of the humanitarian corridor for the Armenians (Lachin corridor), the provision of the corridor to Nakhichevan through the territory of Armenia to Azerbaijan (Megrin corridor). And finally, holding a referendum after a number of years to determine the final status of the Armenian population in the framework of compact residence in the territory of the former NKAR. Alternative war.
        1. 0
          21 March 2019 19: 54
          Vugar. Everything would be fine with UN resolutions, but it is precisely Azerbaijan that does not comply with them. What is the first requirement of all resolutions: a ceasefire and the establishment of a sustainable peace. However, Azerbaijan keeps snipers on the border with Ar * Tsakh, carries out shelling from small arms, including large-caliber. Until 2016, he undertook several sabotage attacks on the units of the Ar * Tsakha Defense Army guarding the border. The sorties, by the way, stopped after April 2016 due to the fact that, with the help of the US Armenians, the border and advanced units were equipped with equipment that nullified all the creeps of Azerbaijani saboteurs.
          Now, after Azerbaijan begins to fulfill the first and main requirements of UN resolutions, a substantive dialogue on the conditions for further cooperation may begin.
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            21 March 2019 20: 52
            There is Nagorno-Karabakh, and not some sort of sarsah. Like halva, will you name it more often and it will become sweet? Occupation, illegal education, illegal cliche, and you violating the laws and the internationally accepted name of this land, shamelessly want peace ??? There will definitely come an hour that you will be punished for everything. War is inevitable.
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            21 March 2019 21: 56
            Azerbaijan fulfilled the main requirement of resolutions on the cessation of active hostilities as early as 1994. After that, the occupied regions should have been liberated, however, Armenia does not fulfill its part of the resolution by setting the requirement to grant independence to the NKAR. And now she has even tightened her terms like neither see nor mm. land will not be set free. How to order to act in such a situation?
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        22 March 2019 10: 37
        Quote: friend of beasts
        Now is the move for Azerbaijan, he may start a war and return part of the territoryuntil it is stopped by Russia \ West \ UN, whoever you want.

        Azerbaijan can start a war, of course, but "return part of the territory" - no. Rather, lose part of the territories. And here even the main question is not this, but whether Azerbaijan can finish / stop the war. A large-scale war is fraught with unpredictable consequences.
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          22 March 2019 14: 40
          Why such confidence that he cannot return the territory? Azerbaijan not only can but is obliged to return all the occupied territories. And he will do it in any way, even diplomatic or military. And yes, "a large-scale war is fraught with unpredictable consequences" this statement is true both for Azerbaijan and for Armenia. We are ready to take the risk. And you?
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            25 March 2019 15: 32
            Quote: wmn5500
            We are ready to take a chance.

            So what are you waiting for?
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              25 March 2019 17: 06
              Artak, especially for you I will repeat what I have already said here more than once. We will get good from Russia, let's begin.
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                26 March 2019 11: 03
                Quote: wmn5500
                Artak, especially for you I will repeat what I have already said here more than once. We will get good from Russia, let's begin.

                Clear. Well wait.
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                  26 March 2019 11: 57
                  And you hope.
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    21 March 2019 21: 18
    There are several claims that we have forgotten, but not forgotten by Armenia, against Vladimir Lenin, who transferred part of the Armenian lands to Turkey

    Insolent, a lie!
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      21 March 2019 21: 32
      I don’t know about the reliability, but earlier Lenin’s drafts were cited, where Armenia was planning to transfer territories to the Caspian ... As I understand it, this could be before the Kagalites Ganevsky began to voice Lenin’s demands of the Zionists to shred Armenia to the maximum ...
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        21 March 2019 22: 27
        There was no Armenia in the territories of the South Caucasus. Do not write lies and do not make people laugh. How could Lenin shred what was not ??? Tsarist Russia laid the foundation, and Lenin created the formation called Armenia. Armenia is built on the lands of the Turks to this day, despite the fact that for 100 years you have been changing toponyms and hydronyms in these territories, there are still a lot of names they have not yet managed to change, they say on their own about the belonging of these territories to those who, with the help of tsarist Russia and then the Bolsheviks, were deported, removed under various pretexts from these territories.
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          21 March 2019 22: 38
          Oguz, what kind of nonsense is this? He told already ... The Türk leader Timur once ordered his Asks to destroy our church Amaras and throw stones at the Araks river ...
          Our monastery, our river ... Only temporarily the river flows to the Turks ... These are Armenian-Persian lands ...
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            21 March 2019 23: 48
            Do you know what our difference is? Our history is based on documents, and yours on fairy tales. Like, someone, somewhere, what he said or did, and even if the church even eats or was, it does not prove that the territories belong to you, the more that you have Armenized a lot of Albanian churches. Let's say you now have an old church in Krasnodar or Rostov. Now what, these lands are Armenian ??? Or, after 200-300 years, you will be pointing at the keyboard with a finger and pointing to these churches local, what is your land ???
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              22 March 2019 00: 17
              Armenia is built on the lands of the Turks?!? Well it is strong. That is, any land where the Turk came to graze his sheep, becomes the land of the Turks? Turkish rolls? Is Mugan Turkish? Ararat Valley Turkish? Ar * tsakh and Uttik Turkish? Kars is Turkish? All these lands were inhabited, cultivated, cultivated and loved, many centuries before, following the herds of rams on the mountain, indigenous inhabitants migrated hordes of Turkish tribes.
              You know what the difference is between us.
              That you are nomads, and we are sedentary. Wandering, you did not create cemeteries. Wandering, cousins ​​married cousins, no longer on anyone. Roaming, today I lied here, and tomorrow you have caught a trace. Roaming, attacked, killed, robbed, and went on to look for green grass for his herd.
              What documents can the history of nomadic tribes be based on? Unless in "The Tale of Grandfather Korkut."
              You steal from the talysh sculptures of stone bulls from graves, take them to Nakhichevan - these are our “ancient Turkish monuments”.
              When Christians gathered the First Ecumenical Councils, where were you Turks? Herds grazed in the steppes.
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                22 March 2019 00: 29
                Armenia was not. My native Zangezur was before the Turks, withstood the Turks and will support his Armenian children of farmers with his rocks. Tell me a story, from which Turkish words does “Zangezur” come from?
                Alphabet Turkish Armenian created. And what did the Turks create? 1000 and 1 way to remove skin from a living person?
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                  22 March 2019 00: 59
                  Such a long text of the demagogue, which grew up on fairy tales that are not based on any fact proven on historical documents. Again, I repeat, there was no state of yours in the territories of today's Armenia. These lands are Turkic, at times captured by the Persians, then by the Russians. In the latter case, in the form of an inscription of its borders, to create an outpost of the southern flank, the Russian Empire settled you here. The fact is that Russia in those days alternately fought with the Ottomans (Turks) and Persia and they needed their own outpost of local traitors. The most suitable for this role were you and to this day you are. That is why you were also settled in these territories, even giving you "statehood". That is your whole truth in the South Caucasus. If Russia opens the archives dedicated to those times, you can get depressed that how you and you deceived yourself for several generations.
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                    22 March 2019 01: 24
                    Archives need only you open. And read, read, read. You need to learn, and not splash out the streams of consciousness. In Sisian there is a church built in 671. In it I pray, my father, his father, the father of his father and so on. Next to Sisian is the empty village of Sheki. The Azerbaijanis used to live in it, but now it’s just empty houses. The cemetery is whole. Overgrown, but not a single grave touched. And the Azerbaijanis of Sheki did not have a mosque. They lived there so little there that they did not even build a mosque. You can discuss statehood with friends in a teahouse. You, scientists, know better. As your academicians studied the “Azykhanthropus”, they immediately understood from the jaw that this was a Muslim Azerbaijani. Science is needed for smart people, and not for those who are trying to adapt to their Wishlist.
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                22 March 2019 00: 59
                Do you know what else is the difference between us? Neither the Russians, nor the Armenians, nor the Lezghins, nor the Talysh, nor the Ossetians could have born such a vile and dirty history as an Azerbaijani fairy tale based on “the hero Ibad Huseynov whom Monte Melkonyan killed”. You shot films about it, composed songs, the presidents shook his hand. What now? Is there anyone else in Azerbaijan who considers him a hero? Who believes in this lie about his meeting with Monte? Why do you need these heroes lying? Why should Ramil Safarov elevate to heroes? He is an ordinary killer. Despicably, at night he killed an unarmed man. Ask anyone you want not in Azerbaijan, can this be considered heroism? And we are distinguished by this.
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                22 March 2019 01: 04
                David. Forgive me for interfering, but what you wrote here is the reason why peace between our peoples is not achievable. You have now briefly repeated all the propaganda clichés of modern Armenian society. It is these stereotypes such as: you are nomads we are sedentary, you are destroyers we are creators, etc. and are a catalyst for conflict. Thus, cast doubt on our right to exist, on the right to have our own state, claiming our sovereign territories. And then you ask why they are arming themselves, say that you can live in Karabakh peacefully and there are no obstacles on the Armenian side for the return of those who were forced to leave during the war.
                There are no obstacles if Armenian historiography and propaganda, and even the national idea itself, casts doubt on our ethnic identity. How would I like to ask will Azerbaijanis live under Armenian jurisdiction?
                This is nonsense and you yourself have confirmed it by the post above.
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                  22 March 2019 01: 29
                  Lezgins, Avars, Uddins, Rutuls, Tats, Talyshs and Armenians for centuries !!! lived side by side in a world that you think is unattainable.
                  And the question is that the Turks are not nomads? Does it offend you?
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                    22 March 2019 01: 44
                    David. Lezgins, Avars, Uddins, Rutuls, Tat, Talysh for centuries !!! lived side by side in peace with us and now live.
                    And not the attainability of peace lies in what I wrote above, so the Armenians must first learn to respect us Azerbaijanis and not look down on us and then ask for peace.
                    "And the question is, that the Turks are not nomads? Does this offend you?"
                    Without exception, all the tribes and peoples in the world were nomads, only then, due to various circumstances, they settled down as did the Turks.
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                      22 March 2019 03: 06
                      Have you lived in peace for centuries?
                      How can you live with someone in the world if this someone appeared many centuries after your ancestor built his first house on this earth?
                      “In the year 669 (1220) the first Tatars appeared.

                      In the year 674 (1225), the Sultan (Jalal-ad-din. — A.G.) came from Khorasan and attacked Georgian troops in Garni and threw them from a cliff into the abyss.

                      In the year 680 (1231), the Tatars captured Gandzak and exterminated countless husbands, as well as women and children, capturing everyone, both Christians and Persians.

                      In the year 685 (1236) [captured] an impregnable fortress called Caen, then the city of Lori, and the capital of Armenia - Ani, and many other regions, and all the lands of Armenia; impregnable fortresses, caves, impenetrable forests were captured [by the Tatars] in one year, and a myriad of men, women and children were exterminated. And who is able to describe the sorrows and sufferings that the ruthless people of the shooters caused us? As the holy patriarch Hepcec predicted before his death, seeing [it] with the eye of the soul: "The people of the shooters will destroy the Armenian country to its very foundations, and crowded roads will become deserted due to the lack of people." And so it happened, as he predicted. ”
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                        22 March 2019 04: 08
                        David. All that you described refers to the 13th century, and now we have the 21st century, what does not work for centuries for 8 centuries?
                        It is strange that you did not remember the Seljuks. Well, let's also remember the Arabs, Byzantines, Romans, Persians, and of course Russian wanderers who also went through these lands with fire and sword in the 10th century. Well, in general, if the Armenians themselves dig further, or rather the Parthian kings of Armenia are also conquerors. Anyway, what kind of Armenia can we talk about if it ceased to exist in the 380s A.D.
                        Actually, you confirm my words with great success that until the ideology in Armenia blames the Turks for all the troubles, the propaganda of territorial claims against their neighbors stops, and until the Armenians suffer from a pathological form of Turkophobia, we won’t achieve peace. So the reason for the conflict lies in your national psychology. Think and draw conclusions.
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                        22 March 2019 10: 06
                        Vugar. Do not tell me about the Armenian ideology. I am a child of the Soviet education system, from a very small age living in Kolyma. And if Ibad Huseynov is a low, respectable person, and Ramil Safarov is a vile night killer, then this is true. Not related to their nationality. For example, I respectfully always remember David Huseynovich Pashayev, if you know who it is. I respect my partners, the Mammadov brothers. I blame only myself for my problems, and certainly not the Turks)) But there is no force on the question of Ar * Tsakh that will move the Armenians from this land. Nowhere to go simply. Everyone will either lie down or go on. Azerbaijan is always sure that money decides. We will see. In any case, diplomats will not close this question. Either force majeure or war.
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                        22 March 2019 13: 41
                        Your hero Monte has the blood of our people in his hands up to the elbows. He was killed in Karabakh and did the right thing. Do you elevate a terrorist to the rank of a hero and still open your mouth against Ibad? You are not a child of the Soviet education system, (judging by the text written above, the school in the USSR is not made of you a citizen of the system) you are a child of the Dashnak ideology with a deviation to "asala", heroizing the terrorist Melkonyan. You forcibly, I emphasize, forcibly expelled hundreds of thousands of our citizens from Karabakh and adjacent regions, who came under the arm were killed, maimed, used unprecedented bullying against the civilian population (your above written texts are in the hands of ethnonazis ") War is inevitable, due to the fact that we will live here, and you do not want us to live. The rest of the verbiage and tinsel.
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                        22 March 2019 13: 56
                        David. You and I have already talked about Ibad Huseynov about Ramil Safarov, I will say that he is not a hero and he has not received any official awards. But in Armenia, names like Soghomon Teyliryan, a banal killer from around the corner, or Varujan Karapetyan, who committed a terrorist attack at Orly airport, are highly esteemed, as a result of which 8 people were killed and 55 people were injured.
                        Of the 8 killed, only two were Turks, the rest were people of other nationalities. In particular, 4 Frenchmen, one Swede and one American were among the dead. He was released early and deported to Armenia. So the Armenian land is full of "heroes" too.
                        There is no power on the Karabakh issue that will push Azerbaijanis, our people should return to their land simply nothing to concede.
                        We must, we must return our homes, the graves of our ancestors, and if you need to go further.
                        Azerbaijan believes that money is a means, one of the tools to achieve the goal, to restore its territorial integrity. And this goal will be achieved in any case.

                        ps By the way, at night, half asleep did not pay attention to the fact that you are describing the Mongol invasion of Subedea and Jebe in the 13th century. I did not know what we can attribute to ourselves as ancestors of Genghis Khan.
                        Are you serious?
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                        22 March 2019 17: 52
                        Soghomon Teyleryan killed Talaat Pasha. Soghomon, maybe you can understand this, not a hero. He did what he had to do. He is the only one from the family who survived the Talaat massacre. He is not a hero, he is an avenger. Do you understand the difference? He did not need laurels, he needed revenge. A huge number of guys dreamed of being in his place. He did not kill sleeping, unarmed men. He took revenge on his personal enemy - Talaat. Do you know why the paths of Monte Melkonyan and ASSALA diverged? Because Monte, a pure soul man, could not accept the deaths of children. And here he is, in my understanding, a real Hero. Just like Mirza Abaev, for example. Just like Kiaram Sloyan, to whom nonhumans in the form of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan cut off their heads and then drove through the Azerbaijani villages, demonstrating their “valor”. Just like the heroes are eighteen to nineteen year old guys who did not leave their positions in April 2016. None of them stained themselves with the blood of your civilians. None of them left their position. And he died with honor, like a Warrior. That's who the heroes are.
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                        22 March 2019 18: 01
                        The first rank "National Hero of Azerbaijan" was received by the commander of the battalion "Gurtulush" Tagiyev Shahin Talib oglu. He received this award for the fact that his battalion created with the Armenian village of Maraga. Here is an example of “heroism” in Azerbaijani.
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                        22 March 2019 19: 00
                        Here, not a word about the village of Maraga.

                        By a decree of the President of Azerbaijan No. 6 on June 23, 1992, he was awarded the title National Hero of Azerbaijan.

                        Under his leadership, the battalion distinguished itself during the summer offensive of 1992 in the Mardakert direction, during the breakthrough of the Armenian defense near the village of Jerabert, as well as during the occupation of the villages of Drmbon and Kochogot near the Sarsang reservoir.
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                        22 March 2019 20: 04
                        There’s not a word about why
                        http://e-qanun.az/framework/7239
                        The attack on Mardakert ended on 09/07/1992, and was awarded on 23/06/1992. But you still had to prepare the paper.
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                        22 March 2019 20: 23
                        David. You have noticed, I never dispute the veracity of the information you have provided, and now I will not. Just if even this is how you say it, then pay attention to the date of the capture of the village on April 10, 1992, i.e. after capture and atrocities in Khojaly and Shusha. So during the assault on the village the soldiers could well take revenge. You justify acts of revenge. Why can't Azerbaijanis do this?
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                        22 March 2019 22: 08
                        Neither Khojaly nor Shusha had any atrocities. The military and civilians leaving Khojaly were deliberately sent to Armenian positions near the village of Nakhichevanik, where they were shot with machine-gun fire after they destroyed an advanced Armenian post consisting of a machine gunner and machine gunner. In Khojaly itself, 28 bodies were found with injuries characteristic of mine-artillery injuries. There were no civilians in Shushi when the Karabakh people took the city.
                        Since we’ve started talking about revenge, do you know how many people lost their mothers, sisters, fathers and brothers while they shelled Stepanakert from BM-110 installations with impunity for 21 days from Shusha?
                        Armenians released Shushi on May 9, 1992. Almost a month after the atrocities in Maragh.
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                        22 March 2019 22: 48
                        Well, first of all there were atrocities in Khojaly, we have already discussed the truth, not completely, (a weekly ban) has prevented me, I have already expressed my point of view and do not want to return to this issue. And I do not advise you, since attempts to justify and throw off the responsibility for this bloody crime on the Armenian side are similar to acquitting a criminal before a court. Therefore it is not necessary. Now the question is not this, but in Maraga. The fact is that at the time of the capture of the village the soldiers saw the footage taken by Chingiz Mustafayev, but further studies and attempts to justify the Armenian side appeared much later. Therefore, the soldiers acted quite naturally experiencing a sense of revenge.

                        Since we’ve started talking about revenge, do you know how many people lost their mothers, sisters, fathers and brothers while they shelled Stepanakert from BM-110 installations with impunity for 21 days from Shusha?


                        Do you know how many people lost their loved ones during the shelling of Agdam? I don’t know about you, but I personally was there on a business trip a couple of times lying with my nose buried in the ground during the Armenian art raids. Have you ever experienced that feeling when you are looking for any loophole where you can hide and every moment you expect your body to be torn apart.
                        So the parties acted in a completely mirrored manner "à la guerre comme à la guerre" in war as in war.
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                        22 March 2019 18: 53
                        Soghomon Teyleryan killed Talaat Pasha. Soghomon, maybe you can understand this, not a hero. He did what he had to do. He is the only one from the family who survived the Talaat massacre. He is not a hero, he is an avenger.

                        In the same way, Ramil Safarov, the Armenian armed forces occupied his native village during the Karabakh war, and the Ramil family was forced to leave in Baku and live there five of them in the same room of the university dormitory. During this war, two of Safarov’s relatives went missing, and three more died while fighting with Armenian forces. He is not a hero, he is an avenger. He did not need laurels, he needed revenge.

                        As for Melkonyan, I would argue about a pure soul, but I won’t, he fought and quite naturally that he found his death in the war. In my opinion, I fought for a not just cause!

                        Just like the heroes are eighteen to nineteen year old guys who did not leave their positions in April 2016. None of them stained themselves with the blood of your civilians. None of them left their position.

                        David, how could they stain themselves with the blood of civilians if they died in shelling at their positions? I am sure that if they would capture us Azerbaijan. the point would be tarnished. And if they did not want to die, then there was nothing to come with weapons to the land of Azerbaijan. So they are not heroes but simply invaders who naturally found their death in a foreign land.
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                        22 March 2019 20: 11
                        Soghomon Teyleryan avenged the man who was the main organizer of the atrocities against his people. Safarov killed the first guy he came across in Armenian uniform. By your logic, he had the right to kill me too. What can I say.
                        There would be nothing for the civilian population, if any of your villages were captured, the Armenian Zinvors would not have done. Nothing. Unlike yours, who entered Talysh for a couple of hours.
                        A boy who shoots back at the age of 18 until the last bullet, although he can quit his position and leave alive, and then blows himself up with a grenade, taking with him several more enemy soldiers is an example of valor and stamina.
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                        22 March 2019 20: 43
                        If Ramil Safarov had the opportunity to meet any of the organizers of the Karabakh war, he would surely have avenged him. And so he came across precisely this guy in Armenian uniform who also publicly began to insult our flag and ran into the avenger. And Teylerian did not challenge Tlaat Pasha to a duel, but shot him suddenly by attacking. Why do you justify his actions with revenge and cast doubt on the act of Ramil, who perfectly understood what awaits him and consciously set his freedom for revenge.
                        There would be nothing for the civilian population, if any of your villages were captured, the Armenian Zinvors would not have done.

                        Well, of course, we will never forget Khojaly.
                        A boy who shoots back at the age of 18 until the last bullet, although he can quit his position and leave alive, and then undermines himself with a grenade, taking with him several more enemy soldiers - an example of valor and stamina


                        You know, I know personally one such hero who died in Karabakh in September 92. His name was Tahir Hasanov:
                        On September 2, 1992, the detachment in which Tahir served took a position near the village of Chyldyran in the Agdara region, controlled by the armed forces of the enemy. Tahir led one of three groups, two of which stumbled into ambushes during the operation and were forced to retreat. Tahir’s group passed behind enemy lines. A battle ensued, Tahir was wounded, but ensured that all his young subordinates escaped from the encirclement, and he remained to cover the withdrawal of his squad. Enemy soldiers attempted to capture him alive. After Takhir ran out of ammunition, he imitated surrender - left his shelter and at the moment when the enemy soldiers surrounded him, blew himself up with a grenade, along with the military personnel of the Armenian army surrounding him. According to official figures, next to the body of Tahir that day were more than 20 bodies of dead enemy soldiers.
                        It was my neighbor and childhood friend, we lived in the same entrance, their family lived a floor above.
                        So it is not necessary to denigrate our heroes as such and the most real we have.
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                        22 March 2019 22: 17
                        Vugar, no doubt even among your askers there were and are valiant warriors. Why, well, tell me why, instead of the 19-year-old BMP gunner, the shell of which killed Monte, for many years in Azerbaijan they have been singing this lying scoundrel, Ibad?!? Why was no one proud of that boy, and he made mountains of lies? True, no matter how difficult it is, it always makes its way to the light.
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                        22 March 2019 22: 49
                        True, no matter how difficult it is, it always makes its way to the light.

                        So, you yourself answered your own question.
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      22 March 2019 00: 45
      Who is the “forgotten claim” by us? Who are you? It is a pity Ilyich did not live, did not see how the Turks carried the banner of the "Socialist Revolution"))
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        22 March 2019 06: 09
        Tell the Persians, let them send you to the place from which they were resettled to Persia! Not to mention how the Arabs Christians bought you in batches, or how you betrayed them to the Otomans by religion!
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          22 March 2019 08: 53
          Tell your woman to serve better.

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