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Polish expert: the annexation of the Crimea is a symbol of Europe's helplessness

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On the anniversary of the reunification of the Crimea with Russia on the Polish portal defense24.plSpecializing in security issues, an article by security expert Juliusz Sabak was published under the heading "The half-decade of the occupation of the Crimea and the war in the Donbas."




The author writes:
For five years, the Crimea, the territory of Ukraine, is under the control of the Russian Federation. Only a thousand kilometers from the borders of Poland are these occupied territories. The symbol of Europe's helplessness towards Russia. "Green Men" - Russian special forces without insignia and symbols, which 27 February 2014 set up Russian flags on the buildings of the Crimean government and parliament, became a symbol of hybrid war. Threats of the new time.


According to the journalist, 27 February 2014 of the year is a date that is forever inscribed in historybecause it was on this day that the famous “green men” suddenly appeared in several key places of the Crimean peninsula, occupying government buildings, blocking military airports and railway stations. He recalls how they, deprived of identification marks, are wearing masks, but equipped with new Russian uniforms, Russian gear and Russian weapons, "Secured Russian interests by occupying the territory of a sovereign state." After that, he notes, the so-called referendum was held at an urgent pace, and the autonomy of the Crimea was already proclaimed on March 9, the occupied territory was quickly annexed to the Russian Federation.

The expert also recalls that at the beginning of March 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin insisted that the “green men” are not military personnel of the Russian armed forces.
- Please go to the store and see. It is full of uniforms that look like ours. Let the master go to the store. In each, you can buy such uniforms, the Russian president urged.
He claimed that it was “the self-defense of the Crimean people,” whatever it was. This self-defense was, however, well-equipped, very well trained and organized so that “green men” appeared almost simultaneously on February 27 2014 in key points of the Crimea.




Yuliush Sabak drew attention to the fact that if the “seizure of Crimea by the Russians” in February 2014 passed de facto calmly and almost without reaction caught by surprise, and often deprived of orders of Ukrainian forces, then an attempt to repeat this scenario a month later in the Donbass and Luhansk the area led to the start of the war:
The war in the east of Ukraine was also started by "little green men", but they were quickly supported by hundreds and thousands of Russian soldiers, who did not have Russian markings. tanks, armored personnel carriers or MLRS. Russia, of course, cuts itself off from this conflict, but no one has taken this lie seriously for a long time. The scale of the operation is so great that even in Russia they no longer believe in little green men. Belief in this was killed by hundreds of coffins with soldiers who died "on vacation in the Donbass."


Further, the expert speaks about the downed Malaysian "Boeing":
We know that these are not “green men,” and certainly not the Ukrainian Su-25, but the Buk-M1 missile system from the 53 of the Russian air defense brigade stationed on a permanent basis in Kursk, was shot down in July 2014 of the flight MH17, with almost three hundred people on board. We know that these are Russian officers commanding the armed forces of the separatists from Lugansk and Donetsk. In their ranks, for example, there are many Chechen soldiers.


The author adds that after fleeing the famous tanker Svetlana Druk on the Ukrainian side, there was fresh information on this topic:
According to the documents that she took from the headquarters of the unit, each regiment, numbering about 2 thousand people, is ready to receive 6 thousand Russian soldiers, for whom the unit already has fake documents prepared in advance, showing their local origin. Thus, the regiment of separatists de facto is deployed in the brigade of the Russian army. The army, which is official, is not in eastern Ukraine, although the latest Russian weapons systems, electronic warfare or intelligence, such as drones, are regularly tested there.


According to the expert, five years after the “annexation by Russia,” the Crimea became a fortified, well-armed bastion controlling the Black Sea basin. At the same time, he states that "Russia also restricted the movement of vessels through the Kerch Strait, blocking Ukraine, including access to the economically significant port of Mariupol, and is trying to make the inner water area of ​​the Sea of ​​Azov." And this, from his point of view, led to the incident in November 2018, when three vessels of the Ukrainian Navy were seized by Russian border guards. During these events, a Russian patrol ship rammed a Ukrainian tugboat, and the ships were fired upon. Ukrainian sailors were taken from the Crimea to the famous Lefortovo prison in Moscow, where they are awaiting trial.

The journalist notes that Russia is trying to maintain a “hot” state of conflict, which costs her dearly. On the one hand, for example, because of the wide range of international sanctions imposed for the annexation of the Crimea. On the other hand, in connection with the expenses caused by the war in the Donbass, as well as the need to connect the Crimea to the "mainland". Nevertheless, the expert sums up, Moscow has achieved almost all of its military goals, politically capturing the Crimea has strengthened Vladimir Putin’s position for many years, and the conflict in the east of Ukraine impedes the integration of this country with the West and the solution of its current problems.

Polish expert: the annexation of the Crimea is a symbol of Europe's helplessness


However, from the point of view of the author, the annexation of the Crimea turned for Russia a number of costs:
The costs that Putin did not take into account are changes in the whole region of Central and Eastern Europe. First, as experts say, "Moscow received the Crimea, but lost Ukraine." If after the Maidan, the country fluctuated between the eastern and western directions, the Crimea and the Donbass formed the statehood and national consciousness of Ukraine, as opposed to Russia and Putin personally. The war and the loss of the Crimea forms a type of Ukrainian patriotism hostile to everything Russian.


Yuliush Sabak stresses that now in the Baltic States and other states that once belonged to the Eastern Bloc, there is a growing sense of threat “since the Russian“ green men ”scenario is very likely where there is a significant Russian minority” that can be used by Moscow.

All this, in his opinion, was the impetus for the modernization of the armed forces and increased defense spending, as well as strengthening the alliance:
Another important result of the Ukrainian-Russian conflict is the strengthening of NATO and the EU, the realization that Russia still poses a threat, and the collapse of the USSR was only an episode that slowed down its imperial ambitions. The strengthening of the eastern flank, it became a fact, and the military presence of NATO forces in Poland, Bulgaria and the Baltic countries caused a real shift of the alliance to the east. And countries such as Finland, Sweden and Norway again began to strengthen their armed forces in the context of a threat from the east.


In conclusion, the expert summarizes:
Thus, today we have reached the moment when Europe, on the one hand, stares helplessly at the militarization of the Crimea and the war in the east of Ukraine, on the other hand unites military efforts in defense against Russia. On the third hand, energy, fuel, business, some European countries are still closely connected with Moscow and have problems with breaking these ties.




The article caused a lively discussion among Polish Internet users. Here are some of the comments that represent different points of view:

Werte
If we recognize, following the author, that the Crimea is under occupation, then similarly we recognize the occupied Polish territories taken by Stalin in favor of the Lithuanian, Belarusian and Ukrainian republics that were part of the USSR, and now the countries that have emerged from them. This territory is not located a thousand kilometers from the borders of Poland and not Russia is currently occupying it. Lithuania without Polish support can not exist. Ukraine also. But the attitude towards Poland in these countries is hostile, and the policy of glorifying the murderers who committed genocide (both Šaulis and Bandera) and the lack of Polish reaction to this lead to a worsening of the situation. Thus, the agreement to maintain the status quo in the occupied Polish lands is a real symbol of Poland's helplessness in relation to not Russia, but even countries dependent on Poland. (...) We should remember this first of all, and not to deal with the Crimea, because it does not concern us.


Fact
Rather, the end of the occupation. This Ukraine occupied the Crimea against the will of its inhabitants. And Lviv occupies, and Transcarpathia.


Niuniu
A very one-sided view of a very ambiguous conflict. If we are so principled about Ukraine and the Crimea / Donbass, then why did we, without batting an eye, accept the separation of Kosovo from Serbia and recognize this exclusively artificial entity as an independent state? In Crimea, at least, there was some kind of referendum. In Kosovo, no one even bothered to give some pseudo-legitimate form to the provision of statehood to a territory separated by force from Serbia. And the fact that, according to defense24.pl, Russia is doing in the Donbas and what is the cause of international sanctions, is even more bloody and without white gloves is carried out by Saudi Arabia and the UAE in Yemen. And this does not give rise to our condemnation and does not bother us in any way. We do not even think about sanctions against Saudi Arabia. Point of view depends on the point of location.


Maciek - Niuniu
Why? And because what is allowed to us, that is, the countries of the free world, is not allowed to Russia. Serbia, as a Russian vassal, was punished for its relations with Russia and hostility towards the West. Also, the current mess in the Middle East can only be viewed in the context of the interests of the West, read: the United States. Russia, as a barbaric, inhuman force that has never brought anything good to our part of Europe, will always be subject to accusations. The United States will always be our hope. And the fact that they are doing somewhere in Syria or in South America doesn’t worry us much.


Jaco
The author missed an important fact in the article: if there was no intervention in the Donbas and especially in the Crimea, now there would be an American base, and, probably, missiles aimed at Moscow. And Ukraine, and so was lost.


AA
It is a pity that the author more convincingly did not emphasize that the Crimea was always Ukrainian.


Werte - AA
Is always? In the history of a country like Ukraine, it never existed, because this country has existed recently. Its very name is the result of determining its location by neighbors, and not of subjectivity. And on a historical scale, the Crimea was for some time Scythian, Byzantine, Mongolian, Tatar and Russian. The Ukrainian Crimea was only an instant after the collapse of the USSR, if we accept that there were any grounds for the reunification of Crimea with Ukraine, except for Khrushchev's fantasy and his gift for the Ukrainian SSR.


Marek1
For Putin & Co. Crimea and Donbass are a classic tactical success, but for Russia it is a strategic defeat. This led to the irrevocable loss of Ukraine as a friendly / neutral neighbor, long-term sanctions, loss of image, the beginning of the process of military strengthening of the previously almost disarmed European NATO countries and the beginning of a new arms race.


Ooo - Marek1
I am begging you. The coup in Ukraine was organized by the USA - Ukraine was thus lost for Russia. If Putin had not occupied the Crimea, Russia would have lost control of the Black Sea.


LNG second
Sanctions slowly and methodically deplete Russia economically (...) Maidan and separatism in Russia are inevitable. The question is when.


polewka z fixum dyrdum - LNG Second
Then, what a miracle in such a recession and a fall, Russia is increasing its foreign exchange reserves and the purchase of gold, the amount of which has already exceeded 2 thousand tons? And what miracle actually started the production of the Elbrus 8i processor?


Adam S.
Let me remind you that Russia seized with the help of weapons the territory of an independent Ukrainian state, whose borders were not only fully recognized, but also had a signed agreement on friendship and cooperation with it. A post factum statement that Crimea was "always" Russian, not only erroneous, but also arrogant, because even Putin was ashamed at the beginning of the treacherous attack on Ukraine, repeating repeatedly that it was not he and not there. We remember the time when Putin, the white dove, immediately after the closure of the Olympics in Sochi, argued that he would never have challenged the territorial integrity of "friendly" Ukraine. As for the "joining" of Crimea to Russia, I recall that the Supreme Council of Crimea decided to "join" Russia at the barrel of the Russian marines, and the "majority" in 45 of the deputies present in the 100-local council. On the "referendum" is not worth remembering, because it was not even rigged - its results were completely fabricated in Moscow. As for the ethnic composition of the Crimea, despite the fact that the majority of the inhabitants of Crimea are ethnic Russians, it is not at all obvious that they wanted the Crimea to join Russia, especially after the Russian mafia arrived to treat them. As part of Ukraine, they had peace, wine and tourists, now they have a desert, one large military base, zero income from tourism and arrogant expropriations from the "Moscow".


It should be noted that the Polish expert used in his article a standard set of anti-Russian propaganda clichés typical of Western media, such as “hundreds of coffins with the bodies of Russian soldiers killed in the Donbass”, “Russian Buk” that shot down the Malaysian “Boeing”, or “Chechens fighting for separatists”.

At the same time, the author acknowledges that after these 5 years, Europe has demonstrated its helplessness regarding Russia’s actions, and many EU countries (primarily Germany is meant), despite the war in Donbass, allegedly conducted by Russia, strengthen their cooperation with Moscow in such an important area as energy.
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  1. Chief Engineer
    Chief Engineer 20 March 2019 18: 03
    +8
    Empty chatter from a Polish expert.
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      1. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 20 March 2019 18: 24
        +6
        Quote: lwxx
        here the comments of Polish readers need to pay attention, as it turns out, not everything has rotted in the Polish kingdom.

        Thinking people are everywhere, but, almost, no where can they influence the government.
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 20 March 2019 20: 31
          +2
          Quote: EwgenyZ
          Thinking people are everywhere, but, almost, no where can they influence the government.

          This is democracy baby! (c) A crowd of spectators and dolls, and puppeteers behind the scenes! The people think that they choose, well .... and let them think! hi

          PS, don't be offended by the "baby", it's not for you, it's for the people fellow
          1. Kuroneko
            Kuroneko 21 March 2019 19: 59
            0
            Yes, no one is offended. Moreover, there is no reason. Another little article of another "journalist" who did not even lose, but rather did not have either honor or conscience from the beginning.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 20 March 2019 21: 29
      +3
      Quote: Chief Engineer
      Empty chatter from a Polish expert.

      This is almost the same as the saying about a dog and a marching caravan, only in a new interpretation - "The Polish Sabaka barks, and the Crimea blooms."
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 21 March 2019 10: 26
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        Quote: Nyrobsky
        "The Polish Sabaka barks, and the Crimea blooms."

        hi , Dmitry.
        Yes, in Crimea there is an upgrade - the bridge is being completed, highways are first-class, sanatoriums and hotels are being put in order shock, TV, mob. communication and the Internet as throughout the Russian Federation. There are two drawbacks so far - Sberbank has not arrived and prices are higher than the national average, but not everything is done at once. Here the trains will go on Krymskoe and prices will fall. Well, Sberbank will appear on the "daughters".
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 21 March 2019 10: 43
          +1
          Quote: Lelek
          Yes, in Crimea there is an upgrade - the bridge is being completed, highways are first-class, sanatoriums and hotels are being put in order shock, TV, mob. communication and the Internet as throughout the Russian Federation. There are two drawbacks so far - Sberbank has not arrived and prices are higher than the national average, but not everything is done at once. Here the trains will go on Krymskoe and prices will fall. Well, Sberbank will appear on the "daughters".

          Greetings Leo hi So it is so. The piece of iron should be launched by the end of the year (as if not yet in August-September), which, of course, will increase trade turnover and drive down prices, and increase tourist activity. But with Sberbank, of course, a hat. Well, after all, he is not a state office. Sberbank is 49% owned by foreign residents and without the consent of their representatives sitting in the seats of the "general directory" it cannot overcome the slippage on entering Crimea, more sanctions will be directed against the SB as a whole, and therefore will affect everyone, incl. and foreign residents. I’m wondering if VTB and Selkhozbank work there, which seems to be under state control? what
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 21 March 2019 23: 59
            +1
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            I’m wondering if VTB and Selkhozbank are working there, which seem to be under state control?


            Dmitry, this question is not for me, but for Nabiullina. I’m a bank manager, like from Gozman Ulanov.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 22 March 2019 00: 13
              +1
              Quote: Lelek
              I’m a bank manager, like from Gozman Ulanov.

              laughing I understood Leo, I am also far from this bookkeeping ...
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 22 March 2019 12: 05
            -1
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            But with Sber, of course, a hat.

            There is no hat there - Sberbank cards are in circulation everywhere. Those who need them constantly have long received them in Taman or in the Krasnodar Territory. And indeed, cards of banks that are not in the Crimea can now be ordered via the Internet - they will be brought directly to your home.
            Well, even pensioners are able to use a mobile bank with us. So there are no problems with cards there - I know this by myself, because I have been there many times and used different cards. He even started a local NSCF, but it turned out to be unnecessary.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 22 March 2019 12: 13
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              Noted hi
    3. northern
      northern 20 March 2019 23: 46
      +2
      Main and main
      symbol of helplessness of Europe

      - the presence in the EU of the American military contingent.
  2. Nord2015
    Nord2015 20 March 2019 18: 04
    +11
    Bandera Ukraine and the glorification of Nazism - this is a symbol of the helplessness of Europe. Everything else is from the evil one.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 20 March 2019 18: 28
      +6
      Quote: Nord2015
      Bandera Ukraine and the glorification of Nazism - this is a symbol of the helplessness of Europe. Everything else is from the evil one.

      good
      I will add. All these screamers from Poland and Ukraine imagined themselves to be anyone. They make some references to the law on the transfer of Crimea in 1954. But this law is not a law at all, but a declarative document:

      With what pathos the Ukrainian authorities (together with the Polish ones) get rid of the Soviet legacy. With what frenzy they "trample" the period of Soviet history ... I don't know why, but the simplest answer should be this:
      RUSSIA RELEASES UKRAINE FROM THE HERITAGE OF THE USSR, INCLUDING THIS ORDER.
      It is very good that people were able to make the right choice in time and return to the family. And we just ignore all the screams from around the corner ...
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 20 March 2019 19: 29
        +9
        Not only Poles need to learn history.

      2. Tarhan
        Tarhan 21 March 2019 12: 03
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        They make some references to the law on the transfer of Crimea in 1954. But this law is not a law at all, but a declarative document:

        Why don’t you go any further? Give only a small part and on its basis speak of illegality.

        The transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR was carried out on the basis of a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of February 19, 1954. After the decree, all the formalities for legislative transfer were carried out.

        "April 26, 1954 Supreme Council of the USSR LAW “On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR” approved this decree and decided to amend the articles 22 and 23 of the Constitution of the USSR. On the same day, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted the law "On approval of decrees of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR", which, citing on the USSR law on the approval of the decree on the transfer of Crimea, set out articles 22 and 23 of the Constitution of the USSR, establishing the administrative division of the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR in a new edition. The Crimean region was excluded from the constitutional list of administrative units of the RSFSR (article 22 of the Constitution of the USSR) and included in the list of administrative units of the Ukrainian SSR (article 23). Decree of February 19, 1954 and laws of April 26, 1954 signed by the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR K. E. Voroshilov. "

        The transfer of Crimea was legalized by the relevant amendments to the Constitution of the RSFSR "in connection with the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR", unanimously voted on June 2, 1954 at a session of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, after which all the questions legality Transmission of the Crimea from the point of view of Soviet law were closed.

        The transfer of Crimea to Ukraine was legal under Soviet law. Just as in 1940, the RSFSR formally agreed to transfer the Karelian ASSR from the RSFSR to the Karelian-Finnish SSR.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 22 March 2019 12: 16
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          Quote: Tarkhan
          The transfer of Crimea to Ukraine was legal under Soviet law.

          Not everyone thinks so, and have good reasons for this, which you did not take into account:
          “Our analysis of decisions taken in 1954 on transferring the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR, speaks of the illegality of this voluntary act, which was adopted in violation of existing constitutions and legislative procedures,” said Valentina Matvienko. “Changes in the borders of the RSFSR were possible with the consent of the RSFSR. Only the Supreme Soviet of the USSR could give such consent after a poll, as we say now, of a referendum in Russia and Ukraine. None of this has been done. Thus, the Constitution was grossly violated, ”said the speaker of the upper house, indicating that during the transfer of Crimea and Sevastopol to the Ukrainian SSR, legal procedures were also violated. These circumstances allow the Russian Federation, as the successor of the USSR, to give a legal assessment of the events of 1954, Matvienko is sure

          As for the example of the Karelian-Finnish SSR, one should not forget that, firstly, they could violate the Constitution of the RSFSR, and secondly, the war with Finland and the accession of new republics to the USSR required an operative decision-making, and to put it mildly, in ONE The USSR did not bother much with such subtleties, which led to such consequences after the collapse.
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 22 March 2019 12: 46
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            Valentina Matvienko. “Changes in the borders of the RSFSR were possible with the consent of the RSFSR. Only the Supreme Soviet of the USSR could give such consent after a poll, as we say now, of a referendum in Russia and Ukraine. None of this has been done. Thus, the Constitution was grossly violated. ”

            Matvienko will say something else.

            All legal procedures for the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine were carried out. I indicated them above. And the session of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR on June 2, 1954 unanimously approved this transfer.

            Matvienko, just like you, and how the Kremlin is trying to redefine the content of laws to justify a violation of international laws.

            Even from Roman law - It is read as it is written and is not interpreted otherwise.

            Matvienko refers to what is optional for execution in the right field.

            "For the first time, the concept of a popular poll appeared in the Constitution of the USSR in 1936 - Article 49 stated that" The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR conducts a nationwide poll (referendum) on its own initiative or at the request of one of the union republics"".

            That is, if you read and do not overshoot, a referendum maybe assigned only on the initiative Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR or by trebuwan one of the union republics. AND can and not carried out MANDATORY REFERENDUM USSR Constitution did not provide.

            And in 1954 there was no INITIATIVE Presidium, nor were there any REQUIREMENTS of the RSFSR or the Ukrainian SSR. Therefore, the referendum was not held.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 22 March 2019 13: 19
              -1
              Quote: Tarkhan
              Matvienko, just like you, and how the Kremlin is trying to redefine the content of laws to justify a violation of international laws.

              Thank you for your trust, but I just drew your attention to the fact that not everyone thinks the way you do. Apparently the thought that you might be mistaken did not occur to you. By the way, Luzhkov had the same opinion about the transfer of Crimea and Sevastopol.

              Quote: Tarkhan
              And in 1954 there was no INITIATIVE Presidium, nor were there any REQUIREMENTS of the RSFSR or the Ukrainian SSR. Therefore, the referendum was not held.

              So this proves that the transfer did not comply with all the formalities, and this gives reason to believe that the rights of citizens of the RSFSR were violated.
              1. Tarhan
                Tarhan 22 March 2019 15: 18
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                So this proves that the transfer did not comply with all the formalities, and this gives reason to believe that the rights of citizens of the RSFSR were violated.

                Do not overdo it. If the Presidium did not take the initiative, then it considered the referendum not mandatory.
                If Ukraine and the RSFSR did not require a holding, then they considered it not obligatory.

                It was not in the legislation of the USSR, the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR that the LAWS of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR MUST be confirmed by referendum. A referendum is at the request of either the Presidium or any republic. The law of the Supreme Council of the USSR of April 26, 1954, and without an optional referendum, had LEGAL force.

                And you already decide on your point of denial of legality.
                You say that there was no law, but only a decree. When I gave you the law, you began to point to a referendum. I pointed out to you that the law of April 26, 1954 is legal without a referendum.

                At one time, the Karakalpak Autonomous Region was part of the Kazakh SSR. In 1930, without a referendum, it was transferred to the RSFSR.
                In 1936, without a referendum, Karakalpakia was transferred to the Uzbek SSR.

                And what, now Kazakhstan and Russia to demand the return of Karakalpakstan on the basis of the fact that then no referendums were held.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 22 March 2019 20: 39
                  -1
                  Quote: Tarkhan
                  If the Presidium did not take the initiative, then it considered the referendum not mandatory.

                  The Presidium is not a session of the Supreme Council, at which they were obliged to consider this issue before making a decision.
                  Quote: Tarkhan
                  And you already decide on your point of denial of legality.

                  I gave you the words of Matvienko, so you need to decide on the arguments in the dispute with her. Until I saw them, it’s a set of general phrases from which it follows that everything was done according to the law and that’s it. A ridiculous approach, amid the fact that even the country's top leadership, which is unlikely to go without legal advice in their statements, believes that the constitution was violated then.

                  Quote: Tarkhan
                  At one time, the Karakalpak Autonomous Region was part of the Kazakh SSR. In 1930, without a referendum, it was transferred to the RSFSR.

                  There is no need to blunder away the question, otherwise all will suddenly remember that Crimea was never Ukrainian at all — neither under the kings, nor under the general secretaries, and only the fool Khrushchev was struck with urine in the head, who turned this vile decision.
            2. Tarhan
              Tarhan 22 March 2019 15: 40
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              Changes in the borders of the RSFSR were possible with the consent of the RSFSR. Only the Supreme Soviet of the USSR could give such consent

              And here, together with Matvienko, decide on a verbal pun.

              "possible with consent RSFSR"and right there" Such consent could only be given Supreme Council of the USSR.

              So who? One or this? But essentially mutually exclusive statements.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 22 March 2019 20: 43
                -1
                Quote: Tarkhan
                And here, together with Matvienko, decide on a verbal pun.

                "possible with the consent of the RSFSR" and immediately "Such consent could only be given by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR.

                No pun intended - this is just an example of a two-level solution to the issue, when the issue is necessarily solved at the lowest level, and the decision is approved at the upper level. What bothers you here? Or did not encounter such decisions?
                1. Tarhan
                  Tarhan 23 March 2019 10: 51
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                  when at first the issue is necessarily resolved at the lowest level, and at the upper level, the decision is approved.

                  I gave you the full calculation that the referendum was an OPTIONAL action. If they wanted to spend it, they didn’t want it, its non-conduct is not a legal basis for not recognizing the LAW.

                  In general, the debate was legal whether the transfer of Crimea or not legal, at the moment does not matter at all for today.

                  The borders of Ukraine with the Crimea and the Donbass in its composition RUSSIA three times confirmed by international treaties after the collapse of the USSR.

                  1996 Budapest Memorandum.

                  Friendship, cooperation and partnership agreement between
                  Russian Federation and Ukraine 1997

                  Treaty Between the Russian Federation and Ukraine
                  About the Russian-Ukrainian state border of 2003.
                  (see below for details on contracts).

                  In all these treaties, Russia recognizes the territorial integrity of Ukraine, with Crimea and the Donbass, and the inviolability of its borders.

                  In addition, the signature of the USSR is under the Helsinki Documents of 1975 - On the inviolability of the post-war borders (1945).

                  And all these documents were violated by the Kremlin. Hence the sanctions for non-compliance by the Kremlin with international agreements to which the Kremlin signed.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 23 March 2019 17: 23
                    -1
                    Quote: Tarkhan
                    I gave you the full calculation that the referendum was an OPTIONAL action. If they wanted to spend it, they didn’t want it, its non-conduct is not a legal basis for not recognizing the LAW.

                    This is a lie, because such a question is not accepted at the level of the presidium, but the vote of the entire Supreme Council is necessary.
                    Quote: Tarkhan
                    In general, the debate was legal whether the transfer of Crimea or not legal, at the moment does not matter at all for today.

                    Quite right - Russia restored historical justice, and regained to itself what has always belonged to it.
                    Quote: Tarkhan
                    In all these treaties, Russia recognizes the territorial integrity of Ukraine, with Crimea and the Donbass, and the inviolability of its borders.

                    This is a lie - the issue of the Sea of ​​Azov and the Kerch-Yenikalsky Canal has not been resolved even to the present.
                    Quote: Tarkhan
                    1996 Budapest Memorandum.

                    He did not pass the approval in the Rada.
                    Quote: Tarkhan
                    In addition, the signature of the USSR is under the Helsinki Documents of 1975 - On the inviolability of the post-war borders (1945).

                    Then, the state of Ukraine does not have a right to exist.
                    Quote: Tarkhan
                    And all these documents were violated by the Kremlin.

                    This is a lie, because Russia did not violate the Helsinki agreements, and all the obligations that Russia made with Ukraine, after the coup in Ukraine, lost their legal obligations to the junta that seized power.
          2. likana
            likana 24 March 2019 13: 24
            +2
            The conclusion of the Prosecutor General of Russia on this issue is interesting:
            http://www.spravedlivo.ru/6988910
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 24 March 2019 14: 29
              0
              Quote: likana
              The conclusion of the Prosecutor General of Russia on this issue is interesting:

              It is obvious that some "historians" do not want to legally correctly assess Khrushchev's actions to transfer Crimea to Ukraine.
              In accordance with the provisions of Article 33 of the Constitution (Fundamental Law) of the RSFSR as amended at the time the decision was made, The Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR was not empowered to consider the transfer of the administrative-territorial entities included in the RSFSR to other union republics and, accordingly, to change the territorial composition of the union republic. According to Articles 16, 19, 22 and 23 of the Constitution (Basic Law) of the RSFSR, the territory of the RSFSR could not be changed without the consent of the RSFSR in the person of its highest body of state power - the Supreme Council of the RSFSR.
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 22 March 2019 00: 06
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        But this law is not a law at all, but a declarative document:

        hi
        In fact - due to the disappearance of the Ukrainian SSR, this decree loses its legal force and the result of a referendum of the peoples of the Crimea comes into force. The finish.
        1. Tarhan
          Tarhan 22 March 2019 10: 15
          +1
          In fact - due to the disappearance of the Ukrainian SSR, this decree loses its legal force and the result of a referendum of the peoples of the Crimea comes into force. The finish.

          Not the finish. USSR there is no USSR. But the boundaries of administrative division did not lose force. In addition, they are CONFIRMED by Russia in the post-Soviet era.

          1996 Budapest Memorandum. In response to Ukraine’s refusal from nuclear weapons that were exported to Russia, England, the USA, France,Russia recognized the territorial integrity of Ukraine and the inviolability of its borders.

          Friendship, cooperation and partnership agreement between
          Russian Federation and Ukraine 1997

          Article 2
          High Contracting Parties in accordance with the provisions of the UN Charter and the obligations of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe respect the territorial integrity of each other and CONFIRM the INSURABILITY OF EXISTING BETWEEN THEM
          Article 3
          The High Contracting Parties shall build relations with each other on the basis of the principles of mutual respect, sovereign equality, territorial integrity, inviolability of borders, peaceful settlement of disputes, non-use of force or threat of force, including economic and other means of pressure, the rights of peoples to freely decide their fate, non-interference in internal affairs, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, cooperation between states, conscientious implementation of international obligations, as well as other generally recognized norms of international law.

          Treaty Between the Russian Federation and Ukraine
          About the Russian-Ukrainian state border of 2003.
          Signed by Putin.
          It confirms in detail the border between Russia and Ukraine with the Crimea and the Donbass as part of Ukraine.

          THE FEDERAL LAW
          ABOUT RATIFICATION OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
          AND UKRAINE ABOUT RUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN
          STATE BORDER 2003
          Adopted by the State Duma on April 20, 2004
          Approved by the Federation Council on April 22, 2004
          Ratify the Agreement between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on the Russian-Ukrainian state border, signed in the city
          Kiev January 28, 2003.

          President of the Russian Federation V.PUTIN
          The Kremlin, Moscow, April 22, 2004, No. 24-FZ
          1. And Vasya.
            And Vasya. 25 March 2019 11: 23
            0
            Tarkhan! Not tired of writing nonsense and showing your lack of education? The Budapest memorandum is not ratified by Russia and other participants, and does not have any legal force!
            In its response, the Prosecutor General’s Office stated that “neither the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR, nor the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR had the authority to change the status of Crimea.” With this in mind, their decision in 1954 to transfer the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR did not comply with the constitutions of the RSFSR and the USSR.
            - In this case, I think, since there is a later agreement concluded with the Crimea, recognized by the Russian Federation as a sovereign state, i.e. our country recognized the act of creating a sovereign state, then, accordingly, the previous contract can simply be denounced, ”said Sergey Belov, associate professor of the Department of State and Administrative Law of St. Petersburg State University. And do not write your own tales and cry about Donbass and Crimea!
  3. NEXUS
    NEXUS 20 March 2019 18: 06
    +5
    Polish expert: the annexation of the Crimea is a symbol of Europe's helplessness

    And what would Europe do while being strong? Or is this expertDe trying to gently leave the European memory that Russian soldiers pushed into the head more than once or twice with these bayonets?
    1. bushroot
      bushroot 20 March 2019 20: 48
      +9
      Quote: NEXUS
      And what would Europe do while being strong?

      It seems to me, being strong, Europe would recognize a referendum and would not impose sanctions, but Europe has everything except sovereignty.
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  5. major147
    major147 20 March 2019 18: 36
    +4
    Polish expert

    Wherever you spit - you will find yourself in an "expert"!
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  7. parusnik
    parusnik 20 March 2019 18: 45
    +7
    It seems to me, if we admit that somehow, during the years of the civil war, Crimea was occupied by pilots, for a year or two, or even for several months .. Polish experts loudly wrote that Crimea is exclusively Polish territory .. and demanded his return to Poland laughing and they didn’t care about Ukraine ... laughing
  8. faterdom
    faterdom 20 March 2019 18: 49
    +1
    security expert Julius Sabak published an article

    Sabaka barks, the wind wears ... Here Herbst was shown the other day the first - the same rubbish is also grinded without blinking an eye.
    We must ignore them and not talk about anything like that. Do not invite to our programs.
    And this is something like we would have been assigned to Goebbels for a couple of hours to speak on our radio.
  9. demo
    demo 20 March 2019 19: 19
    0
    So what? We will comment on the statements (barking) of the boisterous Polish dog!
    They are unclean, not people. And so it presents. In total. that you marvel at the mastery of lies and slander.
  10. Allright77
    Allright77 20 March 2019 19: 24
    +3
    The comments of Polish readers are for the most part very robust.
  11. Captain45
    Captain45 20 March 2019 19: 52
    +2
    A very remarkable surname of the expert - Sabak, immediately comes to mind: "The dog barks, the wind carries" (Russian proverb) laughing
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 21 March 2019 11: 08
      0
      "What a sabaka ...?!"
      C / f "Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession"
  12. Simferopol
    Simferopol 20 March 2019 20: 00
    +3
    All the arguments about international law and other stuff like that to whom and when conveyed - complete nonsense. There is a world cold war and all arguments are only information weapons

    As for the outcome of this new Cold War, the United States is now approximately like the USSR in the very end of the 80s - beginning of the 90s. They lost and now it's only a matter of time before they fall apart - in a couple of months, half a year or 1.5 years
  13. Moreno
    Moreno 20 March 2019 20: 16
    +1
    And the surname Sabak, like that dog breaks.
  14. rayruav
    rayruav 20 March 2019 20: 54
    0
    throughout the history of Europe there was no unity there was always large and medium disagreement, but one moment when they beat Russia here they are a codder, though there is also a plus, there is a minus we are sevropy no enemies no friends we are economically and philosophically composing not bad balance and nowhere to escape from this is the eternal eacon of development - unity and the struggle of opposites
  15. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 20 March 2019 21: 00
    0
    Everything was correctly written by Sabaka. ) Europe should "step back and shut up."
  16. high
    high 20 March 2019 22: 08
    -8
    Fact
    Rather, the end of the occupation. It is Ukraine that occupied Crimea against the will of its inhabitants. .

    In the days of the Internet. facts cannot be hidden:
    - Crimea was given to Ukraine not by Khrushchev, but Malenkov
    - The decree on the transfer of Crimea 19.02.1954/XNUMX/XNUMX signed Voroshilov
    - Instead of Crimea, Ukraine transferred Taganrog with border fertile chernozem lands equal to the area of ​​Crimea
    Protocol No. 49 of the meeting of the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee of 21.01.1954/XNUMX/XNUMX
    - Together with Crimea, Ukraine got problems:
    arid saline steppes
    lack of agriculture and industry
    lack of water and energy
    - Ukraine was tasked with: in a short time to turn the Crimea into an area with developed agricultural and industry and organize a recreation area.
    - The tasks were carried out at the expense of the budget of the Ukrainian SSR.
    1. kiu
      kiu 20 March 2019 22: 26
      +5
      Quote: alta
      - Instead of Crimea, Ukraine transferred Taganrog with border fertile chernozem lands equal to the area of ​​Crimea

      Did you come up with this yourself? Or did someone trick you?
      Quote: alta
      Ukraine was tasked with: in a short time to turn the Crimea into an area with developed agricultural and industry and organize a recreation area.

      The tsar and his family in the Crimea (in Livadia) rested in the summer, did not disdain. And now it turns out that Ukraine created a recreation area there.
      They carried the boots to Mitka.
      1. high
        high 20 March 2019 22: 44
        -4
        Quote: kiu
        Quote: alta
        - Instead of Crimea, Ukraine transferred Taganrog with border fertile chernozem lands equal to the area of ​​Crimea

        Did you come up with this yourself? Or did someone trick you?
        .

        You need to believe the facts, not myths, open Google and the Russian website:
        What Russia received in exchange for Crimea in 1954
        https://pikabu.ru/story/chto_poluchila_rossiya_vzamen_kryima_v_1954_godu_2101495
        1. kiu
          kiu 20 March 2019 23: 26
          +4
          Quote: alta
          and Russian site:
          What Russia received in exchange for Crimea in 1954
          https://pikabu.ru/story/chto_poluchila_rossiya_vzamen_kryima_v_1954_godu_2101495

          Read all sorts of garbage sites less.
          Or rather, open the map of the RSFSR at least 1946 and make sure that Taganrog with adjacent lands is part of the RSFSR.
          http://www.retromap.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5293
        2. kiu
          kiu 20 March 2019 23: 39
          -2
          Quote: alta
          Russian site:

          This is not a Russian site, this is a site in the "ru" domain zone. In fact, the site is German.

          Pikabu.ru Website Analysis (Review)
          Pikabu.ru has 888,325 daily visitors and has the potential to earn up to 106,599 USD per month by showing ads. See traffic statistics for more information.
          Hosted on IP address 91.228.155.94 in Frankfurt, Germany.
          You can find similar websites and websites using the same design template.
          Pikabu.com has an estimated cost of 3,837,563 USD.
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 21 March 2019 09: 21
      0
      Do you have a saucepan on your head to write this?
  17. iouris
    iouris 20 March 2019 22: 11
    +2
    Crimea and Ukraine are parts of Russia. So for Europe so far, things are not so bad.
    1. kiu
      kiu 20 March 2019 22: 47
      -3
      Quote: iouris
      Crimea and Ukraine are parts of Russia.

      Ukraine is a state entity created by the Bolsheviks. Those. legitimacy itself is there in doubt.
      But, on the other hand, what Ukraine (in general) is definitely not, so it is part of Russia.
      One can argue about the belonging to Ukraine of a part of the former lands of the Don Army, included by the Bolsheviks in Ukraine.
      One can argue (but not easily) regarding Ukraine's ownership of the lands of the former Novorossiysk province of RI. You can argue, but the Novorossiysk province was once settled by immigrants from Little Russia. With all the ensuing.
      One can argue (although very hard) even regarding the lands of the former Kievan Rus (part of Ancient Rus). And assimilated by her Podolia and lands of the Zaporizhzhya Army. Those. relative to Little Russia.
      But arguing about everything else is just plain stupid. Those lands have no relation to Russia at all. Even approximately indirect.
      1. iouris
        iouris 21 March 2019 14: 59
        +3
        In 1654 what was called "Ukraine" in Poland became part of the Moscow state. Russia is a country and a state that arose objectively. And today's Ukraine and the Russian Federation are the products of a separate process that began in Moscow, and not in Kiev or Vilnius. Separatism is the result of counter-revolution. The goal of the counter-revolution in the USSR is to abolish the social gains of the working people. Not only in the USSR, but all over the world.
        1. kiu
          kiu 21 March 2019 15: 55
          -3
          Quote: iouris
          In 1654 what was called "Ukraine" in Poland became part of the Moscow state.

          You never know what and when it was called in Poland. Who cares now?
          Quote: iouris
          Russia is a country and a state that arose objectively.

          What is it like? The wind blew? Do you even know about the history of Russia?
          Quote: iouris
          And today's Ukraine and the Russian Federation are products of a separate process launched in Moscow,

          In fact, in Petrograd (and there was a time when this city was called beautifully) by the Bolsheviks.
          Quote: iouris
          Separatism is the result of counter-revolution.

          What is it?
          In the 20th century there were two reactionary coups (counter-revolution, in your terms):
          1. The creeping coup of October 1917, January 1918, arranged by the Bolsheviks in Petrograd.
          2. The neo-Bolshevik coup of 1927, arranged by Dzhugashvili.
          Which of these two counterrevolutions did you mean?
          If February-March 1917 and December 1991, then you are mistaken. These were just the revolutions. The first is bourgeois. The second, feudal.
          Quote: iouris
          The purpose of the counter-revolution in the USSR is the abolition of the social gains of the working people.

          Did the workers in the USSR have any "conquests"?
          What?
          All I can remember is the bald carpet on the wall of a rented apartment (rented from the "state"), a Czech glass vase in a sideboard, and worn trousers on the skinny asses of a malnourished population. I don’t remember any more "conquests of the working people of the USSR".
          Quote: iouris
          Not only in the USSR, but throughout the world.

          If you knew to what place the whole USSR was to the whole world, you would be surprised. It was rarely even shown on the map by anyone. They even did not even know where, on which continent it is located.
          It was only in the USSR that the Communists told people that the whole world could not breathe in on the USSR.
  18. Thompson
    Thompson 21 March 2019 06: 44
    +2
    Pshek and his zilch. The most vile of all Russophobia. Just a fact
  19. Fisherman
    Fisherman 21 March 2019 09: 08
    0
    Sabaka barks, the caravan goes))))))
  20. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 21 March 2019 09: 17
    +1
    These so-called Polish, that Ukrainian experts, like fleas on a stray dog, and everyone strives to bite. The impression is that they get money for every mention of Russia ... honestly, that's how to brush off a fly and move on
  21. AK1972
    AK1972 21 March 2019 10: 58
    0
    The Pole is not a nationality; the Pole is a vocation.
  22. Peresvet_54
    Peresvet_54 21 March 2019 12: 41
    +3
    Well, if at least something Poland recognizes, then progress is already. And this date February 27, 2014 let not only the Poles remember forever. And let them know that Russia is RUSSIA, and they will pass it on to grandchildren with great-grandchildren. And if they forget, they will have someone to remind
  23. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 21 March 2019 13: 11
    0
    security expert Julius Sabak published an article

    Sabaka barks, and the caravan moves on. Our Crimea ...
  24. ccsr
    ccsr 21 March 2019 20: 49
    +1
    A completely sick Polish expert - like Koreyba turned out to be.
    It is strange why they are all on the same face - they carry nonsense with practically the same cliches, neither mind nor imagination.
  25. likana
    likana 24 March 2019 13: 39
    +3
    The territory of Poland is not only the ethnic lands of the Poles, it would be an expert to dig deeper into this matter without looking at other people's borders.
  26. Unknown
    Unknown 25 March 2019 08: 08
    -1
    let's start with the fact that there would be no Maidan, there would be no annexation of the Crimea. that in Kiev, that in Moscow, then the situation was fine. it didn’t suit only Crimeans, but they preferred not to hear them in 1991. the only time Putin did a decisive and right thing. but Putin, there is Putin, a step forward, two backward, and so on. saying A, you need to say, and B, and the project Ukraine could be closed, if failed, once and for all. but ....... and about the Polish expert, it’s the neighbor’s complaints about the neighbor about the increase in living space. Here he increased, but they don’t give me, it’s insulting. all the more, the Psheks have always had, and will have claims, to their closest neighbors, Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine. but Uncle Sam keeps them on a short leash. while they are only barking, but if the situation changes, they will let them down, you can have no doubt. and pshekam, in the role of a chain dog is not the first time.