Criticism from the Minister of War of France to the United States: NATO has a point 5, not F-35

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It became known that the next portion of criticism from France went to Washington. Critical arrows in the direction of the American authorities allowed herself to throw the Minister of the Armed Forces of the country Florence Parley (she heads the department with 2017 year).





According to Ms. Parley, France wants to deepen its military-technical cooperation with the United States, but Washington is constantly trying to link such cooperation with additional “responsibilities” on the part of Paris.

Florence Parley notes that recently the USA has been increasingly using the NATO collective security clause, viewing this clause through its lens.

Parley quotes the French and American press:

I will say this: in the NATO charter there is an item 5 (about collective self-defense), and not an item “F-35”. I am concerned that allied solidarity with us suddenly became dependent on whether we or other European countries would buy certain weapons. The principle of collective self-defense in an alliance must be unconditional, otherwise it is not an alliance.


In fact, we are talking about pressure from the United States, including the plan for the distribution of its 5 generation fighters. And France and Germany are going to begin production of their own promising fighter.

The French Minister Florence Parley made a statement some time ago at the Atlantic Council in Washington. It is important to note that this happened a few hours before Parley went to the Pentagon building to meet with the acting. US Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan.

In France, they noted that the main topic of conversation between Parley and her American counterpart was related to the discussion of the issue of the “policy of Donald Trump”. Paris complains about the fact that the US is increasing its spending on the military sphere against the background of constant criticism of its European partners, while sending to Europe - even closer to Russia's borders - even the technology that was bred 20 years ago.

Against this background, it became known that Trump signed a check for the transfer of 100 thousand dollars from his salary to "the needs of the Ministry of Internal Security."
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  1. +21
    19 March 2019 10: 25
    Vassals are not happy. A riot ripening in the terrarium?
    1. +36
      19 March 2019 10: 29
      It's okay. Right now they’ll put her in a stall, and France will throw yellow vests.
      1. +5
        19 March 2019 10: 34
        That's how it is. Or who else from Charlie Ebdo will be shot. The algorithm is debugged.
        1. +8
          19 March 2019 10: 36
          According to Ms. Parley, France wants to deepen its military-technical cooperation with the United States, however, Washington is constantly trying to link such cooperation with additional “responsibilities” on the part of Paris.

          Ha! Ms. Parley touches her "naivety"!
          The Minister of Defense of France, Ms. Parly, as if she had just been born! laughing
          Was she expecting something else from Washington ?! request
          1. +4
            19 March 2019 13: 11
            She needs to read VO, we will quickly discard the veil from her eyes
            1. +6
              19 March 2019 19: 43
              Quote: Evil543
              She needs to read VO, we will quickly discard the veil from her eyes

              hi
              And - RT, which in France beats the ratings of French publications.
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    3. 0
      19 March 2019 10: 30
      A riot ripening in the terrarium?

      Yeah, they want to go on a hunger strike. They will not eat hamburgers. laughing
      1. +19
        19 March 2019 10: 37
        In order not to depend on the United States, France must return to the principles of General De Gaulle and withdraw from NATO.
        1. +6
          19 March 2019 10: 45
          PARIS, 12 March. / TASS /. The National Assembly (lower house of parliament) of France approved the creation of a joint parliamentary assembly with the FRG, designed to improve cooperation between the two countries, including on international issues. According to a broadcast on the website of the National Assembly, this decision was supported by the overwhelming majority of the deputies.

          If you do not understand, Germany and France actually created a union state, which, obviously, will have its own army. This is the 1st and 2nd economies of Europe, with France with nuclear weapons. Virtually everything - instead of NATO there will be a European army, which is why the Minister raised his tail
          1. +2
            19 March 2019 13: 54
            France has a 2nd EU economy, not Europe. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIEW_country_list
            2nd European economy in Russia.
            And without taking into account "services" i.e. by production, Russia has the first economy in Europe and the 4th economy in the world. https://www.politforums.net/economics/1502135222.html
          2. +2
            19 March 2019 21: 23
            Quote: Cowbra
            If you don’t understand, Germany and France actually created a union state,

            belay Although, okay, so be it. Then the question arises: who is their "father"? request laughing
            1. +2
              19 March 2019 21: 26
              Merkel obviously does not channel wink
              I think they’ll figure it out. Most likely it will be like the United States - there is only one center, but each state has its own laws and leadership. But one state. It may well be
              1. +3
                20 March 2019 00: 37
                Quote: Cowbra
                But one state. It may well be

                Perhaps, perhaps ... Especially, given the approximately identical national composition of both countries in the near future ... In the very near. laughing
        2. +11
          19 March 2019 11: 20
          To return to the principles of De Gaulle, a new De Gaulle should appear in France .... but for now they have a granddaughter - Macron and his grandmother .....
          1. 0
            19 March 2019 14: 15
            dog on a leash at the handmaid of the Rothschild bankers
          2. +1
            20 March 2019 00: 53
            Quote: Kent0001
            To return to the principles of De Gaulle, a new De Gaulle must appear in France ...

            Well, as historical practice shows, for each "De Gaulle" there will be "students" of their own, and more than once. After all, the general was brought down in two passes. After the first wave of protests in France, early elections were called, which De Gaulle won "with a clear advantage." But after a while, everything repeated itself, and in a more severe form, and he was gone forever. Thus, to paraphrase another great Frenchman: "if the presidents leave, then someone needs it." Yes hi
        3. +3
          19 March 2019 11: 20
          But he did not completely withdraw France from NATO, but only from the military structure. France remained in the political structure of NATO.
        4. +8
          19 March 2019 11: 25
          France, along with the USA, China and Russia, i.e. the only one in Europe that can produce almost the entire range of weapons. But the unexpected happened: Gaddafi financed Sarkozy's presidential company, and when the time came for "the debt is worth paying", he needed to crush Gaddafi. Since France alone would not have coped, and others, including Italy, would not have allowed it, NATO was the logical way out.

          So, because of personal ambitions they sell the independence of the whole state. And if you look at who was in France at the helm in recent decades, de Gaulle turned over in his grave!
    4. +8
      19 March 2019 10: 31
      Quote: Captive
      Vassals are not happy. A riot ripening in the terrarium?

      Even somehow selectively dissatisfied, in my opinion it is obvious that the United States considers the entire planet and everything that happens on it through its "prism". And not to notice this can only be tightly dumb.
    5. 0
      19 March 2019 10: 37
      Quote: Captive
      Vassals are not happy.

      the vassals didn’t have any extra money, they did, but they had to be sent unplanned to measures to reduce the discontent of their people ...
    6. +3
      19 March 2019 11: 06
      Again yellow vests set against France! wassat
      1. +2
        19 March 2019 12: 45
        Quote: Gillaton
        Again yellow vests set against France!

        so they did not leave there, and even according to the glories of Trump, the correct slogans are shouting - "Chanting" We want Trump! "I love France" (tweet dated December 8, 2018). The French Foreign Minister replied - "I tell Donald Trump, and the President of the Republic also tells him: we do not interfere in the American debate, and you do not interfere in the life of our country." Yesterday the Austrian President - "In my opinion, this is too much. Europeans should not dance to Trump's tune." Riot is not a riot - but Merkel in Munich, the French, the Austrians ...
    7. Maz
      +2
      19 March 2019 12: 46
      And the closer the completion of the construction of the northern stream, the more fun separatism in Europe against the dictatorship of the USA grows - this will be a revolution ... France has already sent a parachute with the United States with dollars, Germany resists the plans of the mattress to close the gas pipeline. And these are two paravoz of the European Union! Will the dream come true and Russia and Germany stand in the way of American domination in Europe? It will be an invincible union.
    8. +2
      19 March 2019 13: 46
      Hens do not want to become a grill)))) It’s too late to drink Borjomi.
  2. +6
    19 March 2019 10: 28
    We look forward to new performances of orange vests.
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  4. SSR
    +3
    19 March 2019 10: 29
    If we "put aside" the essentially correct words of the Frenchwoman, then, in my opinion, Trump's gesture, not a poor person, could have been adopted by our not poor officials and businessmen and at least once every two years, transfer their salaries to the fund shelters, etc.
    Such a kind of # flashmob
    1. +4
      19 March 2019 10: 44
      I support completely, otherwise it’s only a little pain. Wild money is thrown away for all kinds of hell, and they don’t have $ to support their country. Children collect money by SMS, shame!
    2. 0
      19 March 2019 14: 44
      Re-read the last paragraph, Trump transferred from his salary not to the funds of shelters, etc., but to "the needs of the Department of Homeland Security."
      1. SSR
        +2
        19 March 2019 15: 39
        Quote: Prjanik
        Re-read the last paragraph, Trump transferred from his salary not to the funds of shelters, etc., but to "the needs of the Department of Homeland Security."

        Reread what I wrote.
        Did I write about the president or the prime minister?
        In general, I wrote about officials and businessmen, about the fact that they could arrange a kind of flash mob.
        Do you know what a flash mob is? ,)))
        hi
        Or would it be a bad flash mob?))
        1. 0
          19 March 2019 15: 54
          quote = SSR] [quote = Prjanik] Re-read the last paragraph, Trump transferred from his salary not to shelter funds, etc., but to "the needs of the Department of Homeland Security". [/ quote]
          Reread what I wrote.
          Did I write about the president or the prime minister?
          In general, I wrote about officials and businessmen, about the fact that they could arrange a kind of flash mob.
          Do you know what a flash mob is? ,)))
          hi
          Or would it be a bad flash mob?)) [/ Quote]
          I am not at all against such a flash mob, but what does Trump's gesture have to do with it?
          1. SSR
            +2
            19 March 2019 19: 22
            Quote: Prjanik
            I am not at all against such a flash mob, but what does Trump's gesture have to do with it?

            Well, if you act according to your method, then what does Trump have to do with it?
            The article is about criticizing Florence Parley against the United States.
            1. +1
              19 March 2019 23: 21
              Quote from S.S.R.
              Quote: Prjanik
              I am not at all against such a flash mob, but what does Trump's gesture have to do with it?

              Well, if you act according to your method, then what does Trump have to do with it?
              The article is about criticizing Florence Parley against the United States.

              Well, is there Trump's gesture there ?! And this is the navel, your thoughts are not allowed here. wassat
              And about gestures, it’s unacceptable.
            2. +1
              20 March 2019 02: 01
              Quote from S.S.R.
              If we "discard" aside the essentially correct words of the Frenchwoman, then as for me, trump gesture, not a poor person, our non-poor officials and businessmen could take into service and at least once every two years, transfer their salaries to the shelter fund, etc.
              Such a kind of # flashmob
              This is your message. Which does not fit with what is written in the article: “Against this background, it became known that Trump signed a check for the transfer of $ 100 thousand from his salary to“ the needs of the Department of Homeland Security. ”Which I noted.
              Quote: Prjanik
              Re-read the last paragraph, Trump transferred from his salary not to the funds of shelters, etc., but to "the needs of the Department of Homeland Security."
              As if the Ministry of Internal Security and the funds of shelters are slightly different things.
  5. +2
    19 March 2019 10: 32
    Frenchies just won't hand over their aviation industry to please the Amers. At the time, the French made tremendous efforts to get away from dependence in the field of combat aircraft. And they succeeded, moreover, they even managed to "squeeze" the Amers in many markets. So this is a matter of principle. Of course, there is no "riot", but Frenchy is not going to give up their positions, whether someone likes it or not.
  6. +2
    19 March 2019 10: 52
    Vassal may be allowed to say something that the owner does not like, but no one allowed him independent actions.
  7. +3
    19 March 2019 11: 08
    Another woman is the Minister of Defense, PPC. By the way, is she the # 1 parent or the # 2 parent in her family?
  8. +1
    19 March 2019 11: 10
    When the United States wants to fight Russia with European hands, then paragraph 5 of the Charter will come up. In the meantime, if you please pay more and purchase American weapons. It is high time for Europeans to understand that they are ultimately seen as cannon fodder in a war with a large and well-armed state that always stood across the throat of Anglo-Saxons and too warlike Europeans. Too belligerent already got their teeth in their time, but the Anglo-Saxons have not yet calmed down.
    1. -1
      19 March 2019 11: 24
      What is typical .... in the "news" there is no link to the source of the "quote" ...
  9. +2
    19 March 2019 11: 34
    Soon, she will be accused of wearing a two-meter Afro-American.
  10. 0
    19 March 2019 11: 51
    But did it not surprise anyone that all the armies of the Warsaw Pact had weapons from one country — the Soviet Union?
    If, for example, the Czech Republic said: "We do not want the T-72. We will develop our own tank." What would the Soviet generals say? smile
    1. +5
      19 March 2019 12: 11
      But it’s nothing that the VD countries received military equipment on credit, at a lower price, and sometimes even for nothing ... At the same time, they still managed to establish licensed production at home. Virtually no R&D
      1. 0
        19 March 2019 12: 19
        Yes, everything is clear. The country - the leader of the military bloc determines the standards of weapons of this block. And he recommends, of course, weapons of their own production. This applied both to the Warsaw bloc and to the NATO bloc.
        1. +4
          19 March 2019 12: 27
          I’ll add, so as not to be unfounded, the first thing I found ...


          A private Czech company will supply to Ukraine the repaired BMP-1 and self-propelled howitzers "Gvozdika", previously produced in Poland and Czechoslovakia under a Soviet license.
          Czechoslovak Group representative Andrei Chirtek announced this in the comments to the IHS Jane's portal. He noted that we are talking about "dozens of units of military equipment" that have undergone general overhaul.
          “The contract was signed recently and is estimated at hundreds of millions of crowns, including dozens of units of military equipment. In no case is it about“ exporting scrap metal ”.
          BMP-1 and self-propelled howitzers 2S1 "Gvozdika" were produced in Czechoslovakia and Poland under a Soviet license as BVP-1 and 2S1. As noted, the equipment planned for delivery was previously in service with the Czech army.
        2. 0
          19 March 2019 12: 37
          How many NATO countries have, for example, Abrams, and how many are)
        3. +4
          19 March 2019 12: 49
          voyaka uh (Alexey)! You do not have to repeat your mantra all the time, distorting the meaning of what you hear. They wrote to you:
          Quote: ved_med12
          But it’s nothing that the VD countries received military equipment on credit, at a lower price, and sometimes even for nothing ... At the same time, they still managed to establish licensed production at home. Virtually no R&D

          And you deliberately distort the meaning, as if agreeing. Wrote an answer:
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The country - the leader of the military bloc determines the standards of weapons of this bloc. And he recommends, of course, weapons of their own production. This applied both to the Warsaw bloc and to the NATO bloc.

          The US does not recommend, but imposes its weapons on members of the NATO bloc. You also distort the meaning of the article on this topic!
          In fact, we are talking about pressure from the United States, including the plan for the distribution of its 5 generation fighters. And France and Germany are going to begin production of their own promising fighter.

          To recommend and impose are completely different concepts in the Russian language ...
        4. +3
          19 March 2019 12: 54
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The country - the leader of the military bloc determines the standards of weapons of this block. And he recommends, of course, weapons of their own production.

          In fact, NATO was created as a military bloc with equal membership in it. The fact that the United States with its military budget occupied a special place there, primus inter pares, is understandable.

          But lately they have not RECOMMENDED their weapons, but DEMAND their purchases. This is what Madame Parley wanted to say. In fact, blackmail has begun. Nothing personal just business.
          1. 0
            19 March 2019 13: 01
            Quote: Kurare
            This is what Madame Parley wanted to say. In fact, blackmail has begun



            Won't you get tired of sharing a link to Madame Parley’s original statement?
            1. 0
              19 March 2019 13: 16
              Found a link in Reuters. I don’t know French, so I can’t give a link to French sources hi
              https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-usa-nato/french-minister-expresses-concern-about-long-term-u-s-commitment-to-nato-idUSKCN1QZ29K
          2. +1
            19 March 2019 13: 20
            Americans themselves buy a lot of foreign weapons and systems: German rifles, Norwegian cruise missiles, Israeli avionics and KAZs.
            They require certain standards from weapons in NATO countries. If a country produces its weapons according to these standards, there is no problem. If not, you need to buy from others.
            Germany writes off obsolete tornadoes and is left without aircraft capable of carrying tactical nuclear bombs (this is the NATO standard). Therefore, the option appeared F-35. Eurofighter Typhoon is not suitable.
            1. 0
              19 March 2019 13: 27
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Americans themselves buy a lot of foreign weapons and systems

              Yes it is. But lately, the tendency is to get buy your own. And if you don’t buy, pay for the rent, and if you don’t rent, pay for what we protect you.
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Germany writes off obsolete tornado ...

              Well, once they developed their resource.
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Therefore, the option appeared F-35. Eurofighter Typhoon is not suitable.

              If Germany really wanted to have a platform for the suspension of nuclear weapons, especially since Germany simply does not have such bombs, they would upgrade the EF-2000. But, such a need is neither seen in parliament nor in government.
            2. 0
              19 March 2019 14: 24
              in Russia, too, Avtiki began to do NATO patron
              1. 0
                19 March 2019 15: 34
                Quote: Charik
                in Russia, too, Avtiki began to do NATO patron

                ... so it’s more likely for export. Well, a little for special forces.
            3. nks
              0
              20 March 2019 00: 12
              b61 is not a NATO standard. There are no technical problems integrating b61 on Typhoon. Actually, only the latest version 12 of B-61 (which is manageable) requires some more or less serious integration, but there is nothing special there either - std-1553 is implemented in the typhoon (what can I say if it exists in the twinkles and dryers)
    2. +1
      19 March 2019 12: 59
      Well, the Czechs had armored personnel carriers of their own design.
      1. +1
        19 March 2019 13: 19
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Well, the Czechs had armored personnel carriers of their own design.

        The Czechs traditionally also shoot, and there were no problems with this under the Warsaw Pact: http://infoguns.com/avtomaty/obrazec-58.html
        Other types of weapons were also produced in the Warsaw Pact countries and no one interfered with them, even in the USSR they exploited something, although the USSR itself could have done at least no worse. Warrior wow is not in the subject of what he writes.
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    5. 0
      19 March 2019 14: 20
      Well, what have they put together their own -and the gun-there are still options?
      1. 0
        19 March 2019 20: 25
        L-39, a training aircraft, which, in my opinion, is still in operation in the Russian Federation
  11. 0
    19 March 2019 13: 17
    Finally, I realized why NATO was created.
    France plans to defend the United States.
  12. 0
    19 March 2019 13: 22
    And France and Germany are going to begin production of their own promising fighter

    And they will do it much better and cheaper than the Americans.
  13. 0
    19 March 2019 13: 31
    We are waiting for the members of the Russian government to receive checks from their Salary for "the needs of the Ministry of Internal Security" ...
    Trump set a good example ...
  14. 0
    19 March 2019 14: 11
    and in France the woman is MO
  15. -1
    19 March 2019 14: 34
    France and Germany can and will produce a 5th generation fighter ... and equip themselves. Who are the clients on the side or in NATO? Now the United States is selling its F-35s to Britain, Italy, Norway, Holland, Turkey. F-16s of extreme versions are more poorer for countries. Even the current Rafali and Eurofighters will not sell to those customers who cannot buy these planes and Europeans. And production for "itself" is not profitable financially.
    1. nks
      0
      20 March 2019 00: 15
      It's not about the "5th generation fighter". Spain has already joined the FCAS project. It is expensive, first of all, to develop, and not to produce (especially since 3 countries already have a potential series of> 500 boards). It's not about the "5th generation fighter". Spain has already joined the FCAS project. It is expensive, first of all, to develop, and not to produce (especially since 3 countries already have a potential series of> 500 boards).
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Even current Rafali and Eurofayters will not sell to those customers who cannot buy these planes and Europeans

      It is not.
      1. -1
        20 March 2019 05: 31
        For instance? Given that some% of American technology and money is in all of these projects. Or these cars use American weapons.
        Maybe Europeans are cheaper? No!
        1. nks
          0
          20 March 2019 13: 59
          Which of these? In rafal, eurofighter essno there is no American money (that would be fun :). Technologies, too (I'm not 100% sure about the Eurofighter), the same is true for most weapons. The American component appeared in SCALP EG, which made it possible to temporarily block the supply of these ALCMs to Egypt, but the replacement process is already underway. There are, of course, in the nomenclature purely state-owned TSA, but this is already a purely state problem - this cannot block supplies.
          1. 0
            20 March 2019 14: 03
            Read about Rafal’s turbojet engine
            1. nks
              0
              20 March 2019 15: 08
              If you mean that the m88 is based on the GE F404, then this is not so.
              1. 0
                20 March 2019 15: 10
                Do you have any particular knowledge? But does Rafal use only ammunition?
                1. nks
                  0
                  20 March 2019 16: 04
                  My general knowledge is with SNECMA (now SAFRAN AE). I do not know of any serious source claiming that the M88 is made on the basis of F404 (as, for example, RM12 flu). If you have, please show. These nonsense (that the M88 is made from f404) is common on our Internet, I can guess their reasons, but I probably don’t know. I wrote about ammunition - there are state ones (the breadth of stock is always good) UAB, but there are French counterparts. Actually there is all the necessary spectrum; there is French: URVV (MICA, Meteor), anti-ship missiles (exocet), ALCM (SCALP EG / STORM SHADOW), UAB (AASM / HAMMER). ASMP-A is certainly not for sale. These are current - I will not list promising ones. Plus, the customer can order integration of their own ((as the Indians did) - this is a question primarily of money.
  16. +1
    19 March 2019 15: 59
    In a week, all the newspapers will report that the Minister otstansheila the Nursing Woman ...
  17. 0
    20 March 2019 07: 19
    Critical arrows in the direction of the American authorities allowed herself to throw Minister of Armed Forces country Florence Parley (She heads the department since 2017).

    Nothing is a woman, Americans are probably ashamed ....
  18. 0
    20 March 2019 07: 40
    In fact, we are talking about pressure from the United States, including the distribution plan of its 5th generation fighters
    That's the whole secret of the popularity of the "penguin". In a nutshell.