Jewels of the Russian Imperial Navy. "Pearls" and "Emerald"

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It is well known that the creation of armored cruisers of the 2 rank “for the needs of the Far East” was not at all limited to the order at the foreign shipyards Novik and Boyarin. Subsequently, the Russian Imperial Navy was replenished with two more cruisers of the same class, built already at domestic shipyards. They were named “Pearls” and “Emerald”, which is why they are often called “pebbles” on the Russian-language Internet. Although, strictly speaking, this is wrong, because pearls are a nutrient and therefore not a stone.



Both cruisers were built by Nevsky Zavod, and in order to better understand the vicissitudes of their creation, you should refresh your memory. history this industrial enterprise.

The Nevsky Plant grew out of a small iron foundry, created sometime in the middle of the 19 century by an Englishman by the name of Thomson, but it was also involved in the manufacture of cast iron cores. In 1857, this small for that time production was bought by Major General P.F. Semyannikov and lieutenant colonel V.A. Poetry, which, apparently, tied friendships with the Mining Institute, in which they were fellow practitioners. Their acquisition was named “Nevsky Foundry and Mechanical Plant of Semyannikov and Poletika” (often referred to simply as “Semyannikovsky Plant”) and began immediate prosperity: almost immediately began construction of two small steamboats, the plant began to expand, erecting new production facilities.

Certainly P.F. Semyannikov and V.A. Flight had a commercial vein: the fact is that in the 60s of the 19th century, Russia began the construction of a steam armored fleet, and here the new plant came in handy. The period of the 60s of that century turned into a real shipbuilding boom for the Nevsky Plant: the Kremlin armored battery, the Perun and Lava monitors, the armored frigates Admiral Chichagov and Admiral Spiridov, as well as Minin were built at its shipyards ".


"Admiral Chichagov"


But in the next decade, orders dropped sharply: however, an armored frigate “General-Admiral” was laid out in 1870, but then a considerable break came. Later, from more or less large warships, the Herald and Rogue clippers were started, but this happened only in 1877-78. And the Nevsky Zavod did not receive any orders for ships larger than destroyers before the end of the century.

There were two reasons for this: scientific and technical progress and the unfortunate location of the plant. He stood on the Neva River, and at that time its bridges, although already adjustable, did not allow ships to pass over 8 000 with a displacement. At the same time, warships grew very quickly in size, so the Nevsky Plant could not build modern armadillos and ocean cruisers. However, the plant did not die from this and did not become decaying, but was redeveloped to build steam locomotives, of which more than 1899 1 units were built by 600. However, military and civil shipbuilding was also not forgotten - the plant built large series of destroyers, as well as steam engines and boilers.

During this time, the plant changed owners twice - first, it passed to the Russian Society of Mechanical and Mining Plants, and then, in 1899, it was bought by the partnership of the Nevsky Shipbuilding and Mechanical Plants.

How well did the warships build the Nevsky Plant? To answer this question is very difficult. At the dawn of its “naval career,” the rate of construction was not too different from other enterprises of the same profile. For example, the Perun and Lava monitors were built in 2 of the year and 2 months, while other plants (Carr and MacPherson, New Admiralty) coped with the same type of ships in 1 year 11 months. - 2 of the year 1 mon. However, the Belgian shipyard managed for 1 a year and 8 months. But the Minin armored frigate plant managed to build as many 13 years: however, in fairness, we note that it was more the fault of the admirals who first wanted to get a casemate battleship, then also a battleship, but a tower one, and after the tragic death of the British Captain for a long time they wanted different things, but eventually they returned to the casemate pattern. As for quality, it also happened here in different ways. So, for example, the Nevsky Zavod quite successfully coped with the construction of the hull of an armored frigate “General-Admiral”, the weight of which was only 30% of its displacement, but was also very durable. For comparison, the hull of the English cruiser Inconstant had a weight in 50% of the ship’s displacement. However, the story also kept the verdict of the ITC, made by him during the construction:

“The failures in the corvette“ General-Admiral ”structure, noticed by the Adjutant General Popov, are the main ones in the ill-treatment of iron used in the damaged parts of the hull. The ship department of the Marine Technical Committee recognizes it as completely sound and refers all of this to the neglect and negligence of the plant in the manufacture of the corner and sheet iron by him. Such faults can not be justified ... ".


As for the construction of the destroyers, with them, too, everything did not go very smoothly. The first large series of ships of this class, built by the Nevsky Zavod, consisted of 10 number destroyers of the Pernov type with a displacement of 120-130 (No. 133-142), unfortunately, did not differ in the quality of construction, and were significantly inferior in TTH of the prototype built in France.


The photo clearly shows the number of the ship - "142", respectively, we have the products of Nevsky Plant


But I must say that the destroyers of this type were also ordered to other domestic shipbuilding enterprises, and not a single Russian plant managed to build them. In the future, 5 of the Cyclone type destroyers with a displacement of 150 tons were built at the Nevsky Plant; however, according to the Marine Ministry, the company coped with this order very badly. It’s so bad that they didn’t want to give the next order for destroyers: but alas, there wasn’t much choice, and the plant’s management did everything possible to assure the customer that this time everything would be done at the highest technical level and right on time. An inspection was carried out, representatives of the GUKiS arrived at the Nevsky Zavod, and they found that the general technical level of shipyards and workshops would allow the plant to fulfill its promises.

As a result, the Nevsky Plant ordered 13 destroyers of the Sokol type with a displacement of 240 tons. One of them was the famous Steregushchy. However, the construction program of this series Nevsky Plant also failed miserably. So, from 13 the destroyers 4 were intended for the Baltic Sea and, according to the signed contract, they should have been submitted for state tests in 1899. However, in fact, they were able to be presented for acceptance tests only in 1901 year. As a result, the head “Prudent”, incorporated in 1898 g, was commissioned only in 1902! In England, some battleships were built faster. Perhaps, only the fact that the destroyers of this type, as a rule, even exceeded the contract speed of 26,5 knots, speaks in favor of the Nevsky Zavod. Many of them developed 27-27,5 knots on tests.

And so it happened that the plant, which in the 60 of the 19 of the century was at the forefront of technological progress and created the strongest ships of the Russian Imperial Navy, by the end of the century with great difficulty coping with the construction of destroyers with a displacement of 120-258 tons. And, nevertheless, already largely losing the skills of military shipbuilding, the Nevsky Zavod took part in 1898 in the competition for the creation of the high-speed armored cruiser 2. Having fairly estimated our own forces (more precisely, their almost complete absence), the Nevsky Plant resorted to foreign aid: the corps was designed by the English engineer E. Reed, the mechanical part was designed by Maudsley, Field and Sons.

The resulting project on paper was very interesting. Its length was 117,4 m, exceeding that of Novik (unfortunately, it is not clear how much, because it is not clear whether it is a question of length between perpendiculars, or maximum, etc.) with a similar width of 12,2 m. The cruiser was very strong reservation, the thickness of the bevel of the armor deck was supposed to reach 80 mm, conning tower - to 102 mm. The power plant was to consist of 2 steam engines and 16 boilers of the Yarrow type, the speed had to be 25 nodes. The deck was covered with tick, not linoleum, and the armament corresponded to the technical task (6 * 120-mm and 6 * 47-mm with one Baranovsky assault rifle), with the exception of mine apparatus, the number of which was reduced from 6 to 4. At the same time, the management of the Nevsky Plant turned to Vice-Admiral P.P. Tyrtov with a request to issue an order for 2 armored cruisers to the plant, in fact, out of competition. So to say, to support domestic producers.

What is interesting - the Marine Ministry was, in general, not against it, especially since Nevsky Zavod promised to modernize its production, and the joint “Nevo-English” project took the 3 place in the competition and was, in general, wrong at first glance so bad Thus, it could well turn out that the Russian Imperial fleet would be supplemented with armored cruisers of the 2 rank of three different projects (Novik, Boyarin and the project of the Nevsky Plant). But, apparently, the original merits of the joint “Anglo-Nevsky” creativity turned out to be “bought” at a too expensive price: one and a half years of fine-tuning the project did not lead to success, the cruiser still did not meet the requirements of the ITC. And so, January 8 1900 P.P. Tyrtov gives an order: “due to the impossibility to postpone further the construction of a cruiser in 3000 t at the Nevsky Plant ... to discuss and report on whether it will be possible to build a hull according to the drawings of the Novik cruiser, and the mechanisms and boilers - either according to“ Schihau ”or approved by MTC drawings of the plant Model, Field and Sons.

The MTC nevertheless assembled a committee to review the project of E. Reed and the Nevsky Plant for the last time, but found it unsatisfactory, and, as a result, it was decided to build the Shikhau cruiser. It would seem that there are all possibilities for this, because Novik’s working drawings should have been available. Indeed, in the construction contract concluded with the firm "Schihau", it was explicitly written: "the company must supply the observing engineers against receipt with a set of documentation and drawings. In addition, the company must provide to MTC a set of drawings in triplicate. ”

Alas, the story with the Varyag cruiser was repeated here - it turned out that the Russian text of the contract did not at all correspond to its German copy, while, as can be understood from the context, the Russian text was considered to be the main one. And the leadership of the GUKiS was surprised to find that the Germans did not at all consider themselves obliged to transfer working drawings to the Russians. Moreover, when representatives of the Maritime Ministry tried to discuss the conditions for the transfer of such drawings, Shihau refused to do so even for a fee. In general, the management of the German company notified our authorities that it was ready to transfer documentation only a few months after Russia ordered a second Novik cruiser or the equivalent number of destroyers.

As a result of various disputes, and the participation of Lieutenant Polis, acting in Germany as a marine agent of Russia, the price of working drawings was “knocked off” before ordering machines alone for the next Novik type cruiser.

In parallel with this, the specialists of the Marine Ministry had to fight the appetites of the Nevsky Plant. He was ready to take on the construction of two cruisers, with the construction of the first months in 28, and the second - 36 months, but with the condition that the countdown will begin only after the last drawing is transferred to the factory. GUKiS rightly saw this as an opportunity for the Nevsky Plant to delay the deadline for the delivery of ships due to any trifle, and did not agree with this condition.

Then bargaining began on the price of construction. Nevsky Zavod reported on its readiness to build two cruisers with a displacement of 3 200 t at a price of 3 300 000 rub. each. It was a very expensive proposal, because it was about building the ship itself, with armor, but without artillery and ammunition. “Novik” in a similar configuration cost 2 900 000 rubles, and the “Boyarin” being built in Denmark - 314 000 British pounds. Unfortunately, the author doesn’t know exactly the rate used to convert pounds into rubles, but based on the known total cost of the cruiser and the cost of its weapons and ammunition, it turns out that the cost of building it without them was 3 029 302 rubles.

Against this background, the 3,3 million rubles requested by the Nevsky Plant looked like a bad joke, so in response, the Maritime Department also decided to "joke." His representatives proposed to reduce the cost of each cruiser to 2 707 942 rub. Thus, the cost of two cruisers should have been reduced by 1 184 116 rub. Of which 100 000 rub. were deducted for ready-made drawings that the plant did not need to do, 481 416 rub. - for the removal of responsibility for failure to achieve the contractual progress of 25 nodes and another 602 700 rub. represented a discount for the order at once two cruisers.

It is obvious that the response “joke” of the Marine Ministry brought the appetites of the Nevsky Plant in line with reality, so their next proposal looked more or less reasonable - 3 095 000 rub. for the cruiser, though they asked for another 75 000 rub. from above for inviting engineers to supervise the construction. This is somewhat more than the Naval Ministry paid for Novik or Boyarin, but still within reason.

Meanwhile, Schihau continued to bargain for Novik’s working drawings. I must say that the copying of the drawings still had a place to be, because the German shipbuilders were obliged to coordinate them with the MTC. So, after it became clear that Schikhau was not going to provide these drawings, as it was written in the Russian version of the contract, all documents submitted for approval began to be duplicated, and, as far as can be understood, no one informed the Germans about it. But they themselves realized that by continuing to submit the drawings for approval, they risk losing profit, and therefore completely refused to provide them under the existing contract. At the same time, if at some point the Germans showed willingness to transfer them in the case of a contract for cars for one cruiser, now their appetites have increased again to “vehicle sets” for two ships, for which they also demanded 25% prepayment.

However, the spit found on the stone. The fact is that just at this time the junior shipbuilder Pushchin 1, who had previously been dismissed from his post, was returning to Russia ... apparently, “by forgetfulness” he took with him a set of drawings that he received from “Schihau” for temporary use. And it is very likely that as soon as these drawings came to the specialists of the Nevsky Plant, the management of the latter publicly announced the inadmissibility of the proposal of the German shipbuilders: “Transferring the order of machines abroad contradicts national interests - the development of national shipbuilding.” And the leadership of the Maritime Department fully supported the "domestic producer", with the result that the "Shihau" proposal was rejected. The Germans, realizing that they had miscalculated something, tried to offer only 2 machines at the most reasonable price and without any prepayment, but this deal was rejected.

On the one hand, the act of Puschina can with good reason be qualified as banal theft. But, if to argue in this vein, then the discrepancies in the texts of the contract for the construction of Novik should be recognized as a fraud by the German side. As far as can be judged, the ITC did not know in advance about the actions of Puschina. It is possible that he received an offer from the Nevsky Plant, although it is possible that this could be his private initiative. Of course, the drawings were eventually returned to the Germans, but only after they stayed in Russia for about a month. It can be assumed that in this case the turnaround of Germanic and Russian private producers collided, with domestic ones ... hmm ... Jeffa Peters got the upper hand from the economy. In any case, only one thing is reliably known - such “obscene” behavior of the junior shipbuilder did not affect his future career and did not prevent him, in due course, from reaching the rank of general.

So the detective story came to an end, and things went on as usual. In March, 1901 g made the final decision to order the Nevsky 2 cruiser plant, and 22 of September of the same year the board of the Nevsky Shipbuilding and Mechanical Plant Partnership, in accordance with the XUUMX XYNUMX order of April 7, No. 1900, signed a contract to build two cruisers of the type "Novik".

To be continued!
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  1. +11
    24 March 2019 05: 24
    Time is running, everything is flowing, everything is changing, but only the problems and troubles of domestic shipbuilding remain the same as 130 years ago!
    1. +5
      24 March 2019 06: 49
      Quote: curio
      Time is running, everything is flowing, everything is changing, but only the problems and troubles of domestic shipbuilding remain the same as 130 years ago!

      I am at a loss how to supplement your comment! hi
      Push. Dear Andrey, I have long been waiting for an essay from you about the “Pebbles” of the Russian Imperial Fleet, I’ve waited! Thank you so much!
      Regards, Vlad!
    2. +10
      24 March 2019 08: 01
      The truly utter nonsense of domestic "customers" is striking. It seems that they were trying with all their might to delay the construction time, increase their price and lower their quality. Ordinary common sense simply cries out that in England and not only at Stakhanov's pace a new Japanese fleet is being built, with excellent English quality ... And at this time the foolishness in Russia. And if only in the case of "Noviks" ... There was a race against the clock, a first-class German company offered to build two cruisers with full transfer of technical documentation. And instead of ordering two cruisers of the same type and agreeing on the supervision of the construction of two more at the Russian plant, some gypsy dances are going on (inspired by modern Indian practice) with theft of blueprints and undercover games.
      With the order of "Retvizan" and "Varyag" the same thing happened. An American contractor offered to build two battleships and two cruisers. They also counted on several dozen destroyers, but this was definitely superfluous, after ocean crossings it is not known in what state they would have reached the Far East. Perhaps revenge for unjustified hopes was the quality of the Varyag machines, because the quality of the Retvizan did not cause any complaints. Show the naval ministry reason and responsibility, and the Pacific Fleet would have received four Noviks by the beginning of the war instead of one and at least one more battleship.

      But when you get acquainted with the rest of the materials of that period, it becomes clear that Russia was led to this war and its defeat was ensured purposefully, comprehensively, using all the levers both inside Russia and outside it. And then seeming stupidity and "good intentions" turn out to be sabotage and even sabotage. It is enough to take a closer look at the role of Witte and the American financier J. Schiff (his article about the need to "stop Russia", lending them to Japan on the eve of the war, his public ultimatum to Nicholas II and his financing of the First Russian Revolution ... as well as the October Revolution, through the younger brother Sverdlov).

      Looking at the modern ordeals of the national shipbuilding program, one sometimes wonders why they didn’t accept the Chinese side’s proposal to build a series of frigates, followed by arming and equipping them at our shipyards? After all, during the discussions about this, the first ships would already be in service ...
      1. +8
        24 March 2019 08: 29
        Quote: bayard
        The truly utter nonsense of domestic "customers" amazes

        Come on! It may be the answer is actually much simpler - steal wink
        Quote: bayard
        Perhaps revenge for unjustified hopes was the quality of the Varyag cars, because the quality of the Retvizan did not cause any complaints

        It seems that the Varyag cars were dealt with in a cycle about the same Varyag what
        Quote: bayard
        why didn’t go on the proposal of the Chinese side to build a series of frigates

        So you do not steal lol ...
        Personally, I would go for such an order - no one interfered 120 years ago with placing orders at foreign shipyards request And under the Union, a decent part of the merchant fleet was built by Poles with Finns ...
        And with all the phobias regarding Chinese quality, they have skyscrapers higher and trains faster, so that we could safely let them build a series of frigates with subsequent retrofitting at home
        1. +8
          24 March 2019 09: 51
          And under the Union, a decent part of the merchant fleet was built by Poles with Finns ...
          And the military was building. The IPC built by the GDR and the Polish BDK are still in operation. This is just what is being heard. And so, you are absolutely right: they themselves do not build and do not give orders to others. Excuses are completely ridiculous. I consider the reasons for deliberate wrecking, not professionalism and corruption. Thanks to the author again !!!
        2. +3
          24 March 2019 10: 38
          Quote: Rurikovich
          And with the Union, a decent part shopping Poles with Finns built the fleet ...

          ========
          Why only "shopping" ??? Landing and auxiliary ships of the Navy were also built in the same Poland and Finland ... And fighting ships too (for example, the IPC project 1331M in the amount of 12 pieces for the Baltic Fleet were built in the GDR "Peneverft" in Wolgast) .....
      2. +5
        24 March 2019 12: 04
        But when you get acquainted with the rest of the materials of that period, it becomes clear that Russia was led to this war and its defeat was ensured purposefully, comprehensively, using all the levers both inside Russia and outside it. And then seeming stupidity and "good intentions" turn out to be sabotage and even sabotage. It is enough to take a closer look at the role of Witte


        Yes, dear colleague, I almost completely agree with you
        Witte, IMHO, definitely, did everything intentionally
        and here are the rest: just let many steal, extort bribes, be stupidly lazy to work normally, finally shit their neighbor, so they organize the total collapse of everything and everything without any agitation from the world behind the scenes so that no spy would have thought of
      3. +6
        24 March 2019 17: 41
        Quote: bayard
        Suffice it to take a closer look at the role of Witte and the American financier J. Schiff (his article on the need to "stop Russia", lending them to Japan on the eve of the war, his public ultimatum to Nicholas II and his financing of the First Russian Revolution.).

        In the context of the discussed topic of strengthening the fleets of future adversaries, the following fact can be added to this list: it was Schiff who gave (in the sense, lent) money to the Japanese to buy the armored cruisers "Kasuga" and "Nisshin".
        Taking into account the political realities of Japan at that time, it can be said with a high degree of probability that without Schiff the Japanese would not have received this reinforcement of their fleet before the war.
      4. 0
        25 March 2019 22: 30
        The Bolsheviks would chase the money of the Schmidt sisters if their whole Schiff sponsored ...
        1. 0
          25 March 2019 23: 30
          He did not finance the Bolsheviks, but the Communists (the film "Chapaev" will help you). Namely Trotsky and Sverdlov. Sverdlov's younger brother worked in Schiff's office at the time of the coups - in coordination. It was through him that financing went.
          But Stalin was a Bolshevik.
          1. kiu
            -2
            26 March 2019 18: 10
            Quote: bayard
            He did not finance the Bolsheviks, but the Communists (the film "Chapaev" will help you). Namely Trotsky and Sverdlov

            This is the so-called. "old Bolsheviks".
            Quote: bayard
            But Stalin was a Bolshevik.

            Dzhugashvili was the leader of the neo-Bolsheviks.
            1. +1
              26 March 2019 23: 19
              The answer is not correct. Sverdlov did not have time to "grow old" - he died as a young worker of the DEPO half to death, beaten and from pneumonia presented to Satan.
              Trotsky was dismissed from the Union before the term was formed. He also managed to create the 4th International, helped Hitler in Spain and for that received the "Diploma of a true Aryan" from the hands of the creator of the Third Reich.
              So communists are like there are communists, such as Zyuganov.
              And Stalin was a Bolshevik.
      5. kiu
        -2
        26 March 2019 18: 08
        Quote: bayard
        Perhaps revenge for unjustified hopes was the quality of the Varyag cars

        There were normal cars. They got the wrong hands. And the heads.
        Quote: bayard
        because the quality of "Retvizan" did not cause any complaints

        Retvisan's cars were also of a new generation. But not so much forcing. Varyag had very forced cars. An eye and an eye behind them were needed.
        But the main complaint is the Varyag and Retvisan boilers that are difficult to maintain. At Retvisan, the problem of their service was resolved.
        Quote: bayard
        It’s enough to take a closer look at the role of Witte and the American financier J. Schiff

        Nonsense.
        Quote: bayard
        why didn’t they accept the proposal of the Chinese side to build a series of frigates, followed by armament and equipment at our shipyards?

        Because Russia does not need many frigates. And those that are needed (probably two pieces), she can build herself.
        1. +1
          26 March 2019 20: 10
          Quote: kiu
          Retvisan's cars were also of a new generation. But not so much forcing. Varyag had very forced cars.

          And here Kolya Passerby has surfaced, one more his nickname to a respected colleague arturpraetorin the piggy bank.
          kiu (in in) - modestly, but with taste.
        2. +1
          26 March 2019 23: 29
          Quote: kiu
          There were normal cars. They got the wrong hands

          There was a problem with the boilers - the pipes did not even burst at full speed. They began to burst right away - on sea trials in the USA.
          Quote: kiu
          Nonsense.

          Nonsense chatting
          Quote: kiu

          Because Russia does not need many frigates. And those that are needed (probably two pieces), she can build herself.

          You, Kolya, and you will not trust the boat. Swim like that - you won’t drown.
    3. +1
      24 March 2019 19: 27
      No-Predsushima mess is something unique.
    4. +1
      26 March 2019 17: 22
      This "detective", somehow, does not fit at all with the presentation of the events of the construction of cruisers in the book of A.A. Alliluyev. and Bogdanova M.A.

      In addition, even I strongly doubt that the "two cars" of the "workers" were taken for approval to St. Petersburg from Germany. It would be more realistic if it was project documentation, possibly with detailing, of pre-agreed units and mechanisms. Because "work", for the most part, was made directly during the construction of ships.

      The moment with the request of NZ is also incomprehensible, 75000 rubles, supposedly for observing engineers. There was only one observing engineer, and he received a salary from the treasury, for he was an officer. Perhaps NZ requested money for temporary hiring, additional IT personnel for the construction of cruisers.
      1. +1
        26 March 2019 20: 05
        Quote: Jura 27
        The moment with the request of NZ, 75000 rubles, supposedly for observing engineers, is also incomprehensible. There was only one supervisor engineer

        Where did you get this?
        Offhand, the construction of the Som ("Combat") fighter in England was watched by four (two lieutenants and two assistant senior mechanical engineer) - one after the manufacture of mechanisms, three more behind the ship itself.
        1. 0
          27 March 2019 02: 45
          From the book of Alliluyev-Bogdanov. This abroad needs a lot of people, and St. Petersburg, why? So there was one observing two ships.
          1. 0
            27 March 2019 04: 19
            Quote: Jura 27
            From the book of Alliluyev-Bogdanov.

            It says that "for the manufacture of mechanisms and boilers"observed the senior mechanical engineer NI Ilyin, and who watched the construction of the cruisers?
            I ask this question, because in Nikolaev, for example, at the construction of the "Prince Potemkin-Tavrichesky", only observers did not manage to do it. Senior mechanical engineer Ivanov 5 was sent there from St. Petersburg to supervise the manufacture of mechanisms.
            Foreign orders are similar, some oversee the manufacture of mechanisms, others over the construction of the ship itself.
            Or did you find information from Alliluyev and Bogdanov that the senior mechanical engineer N. I. Ilyin combined both functions?
            1. 0
              27 March 2019 07: 53
              There, both Usov and Levitsky are mentioned as observers ... is it possible that at different times
            2. 0
              27 March 2019 15: 08
              Quote: Comrade
              Quote: Jura 27
              From the book of Alliluyev-Bogdanov.

              It says that "for the manufacture of mechanisms and boilers"observed the senior mechanical engineer NI Ilyin, and who watched the construction of the cruisers?
              I ask this question, because in Nikolaev, for example, at the construction of the "Prince Potemkin-Tavrichesky", only observers did not manage to do it. Senior mechanical engineer Ivanov 5 was sent there from St. Petersburg to supervise the manufacture of mechanisms.
              Foreign orders are similar, some oversee the manufacture of mechanisms, others over the construction of the ship itself.
              Or did you find information from Alliluyev and Bogdanov that the senior mechanical engineer N. I. Ilyin combined both functions?

              Ilya somehow missed. On page 11, - Usov, then he was replaced by Levitsky (p. 14)
      2. 0
        27 March 2019 07: 47
        Quote: Jura 27
        This "detective", somehow, does not fit at all with the presentation of the events of the construction of cruisers in the book of A.A. Alliluyev. and Bogdanova M.A.

        What does not fit with what? These authors noted that the working drawings were not by the expected date, and that Schihau did not consider it obliged to transfer them at all, even the angry remarks of the Marine Department Manager
        Quote: Jura 27
        In addition, even I strongly doubt that the "two cars" of the "workers" were taken for approval to St. Petersburg from Germany. It would be more realistic if it was project documentation, possibly with detailing, of pre-agreed units and mechanisms. Because "work", for the most part, was made directly during the construction of ships.

        Rather, they gave the observers to the place where they had the opportunity to copy it.
        Quote: Jura 27
        Perhaps, NZ, requested money for temporary hiring, additional IT staff to build cruisers.

        Most likely, it is so
        1. +1
          27 March 2019 15: 38
          [/ quote] What does not fit with what? [quote]


          Your version with suitcases of drawings and the version described in the book.
          I will briefly cite the latter: Polis has agreed on the transfer of drawings "for the courtesy of waiting for the order at least cars ...". NZ is negotiating an order for the machines, but since almost all the parts of the mechanisms were not manufactured by Shihau (she is just an intermediary), NZ refuses to build them in Germany (15.11.1900/18/1901). In response, Shihau slows down the transfer drawings of cars, but having given the floor to Polis, to transfer the drawings, he fulfills it on April XNUMX, XNUMX.

          As for the "working": it is of a very large volume and is done for the most part during construction and, accordingly, could not tinker with St. Petersburg for approval, design documentation was busy with St. Petersburg. Compare this with what you wrote in the post.
          1. 0
            27 March 2019 21: 28
            On the "worker": it is of a very large volume and is done for the most part during construction and, accordingly, could not tinker with St. Petersburg for approval


            yes, I agree, plus, well, or if the cruisers had been building for about 15 years while they were carrying and claiming
            + read Melnikov, so MTK and the design drawing could be considered a year)
  2. +6
    24 March 2019 06: 01
    The Maritime Department also decided to "joke." Its representatives proposed reducing the cost of each cruiser to 2 707 942 rubles.
    Obviously, the “joke” of the Naval Ministry brought the appetites of the Nevsky Plant in line with reality, so their next offer looked more or less reasonable - 3 095 000 rubles. for the cruiser. True, they asked for another 75 000 rubles. top to invite engineers to oversee the construction

    Dear Andrew,
    there is information that the contract value of each of the two cruisers amounted to 3 132 500 rubles (without weapons), the construction period under the contract is 36 months. Whether this amount includes the fees of engineers from outside is not known.
    1. +2
      25 March 2019 17: 23
      Greetings, dear colleague!
      Quote: Comrade
      there is information that the contract value of each of the two cruisers was 3 132 500 rubles (without weapons)

      So it's just 3 095 thousand rubles for the cruiser + 1 / 2 of the cost of engineers, that is, 37,5 thousand rubles. Nevsky requested 75 thousand for engineers, but this is the sum for both cruisers. hi
      1. +4
        26 March 2019 01: 45
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        So this is exactly 3 095 thousand rubles per cruiser + 1 / 2 of the cost of engineers, that is, 37,5 thousand rubles.

        Yes, dear Andrey, you are right.
        But it looks strange, for the first time I hear that the shipyard asks GUKiS beyond the cost of the ship itself, and also money for observers.
        Imagine that Kramp or Lagan told Verkhovsky that, so they say, Vladimir Pavlovich, one would still have to add to the cost of the ships, mmm ... for observing engineers.
        And the amount is absolutely absurd, where does it come from? There is data on how much the GUKiS paid observers in France, Germany or other European countries - and there were no such sums close. Something tells me that this is a banal "cutting" of state money under notspecious pretext.
        1. +3
          26 March 2019 08: 01
          Quote: Comrade
          But it looks strange, for the first time I hear that the shipyard asks GUKiS beyond the cost of the ship itself, and also money for observers.

          Greetings, dear colleague!
          I have a feeling that Nevsky had no personnel at all to directly manage the construction of cruisers. All those who remained on it worked with destroyers or with locomotives, which is logical - why should a private trader maintain a personnel reserve? I feel that they are all building management on these 75 thousand
          1. +1
            26 March 2019 20: 26
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            I feel that they built all the construction management on these 75 thousand

            Judging by the advertising for 1899, a respected colleague, the plant did not experience personnel problems.

            The supervisory engineers were paid by the GUKiS, so the factory explanation of why they needed an additional 75 of thousands is an obvious linden. And the fact that it has passed speaks in favor of the corruption component.
            But this, of course, is only my assumption, on which I in no way insist.
            1. 0
              27 March 2019 07: 51
              Quote: Comrade
              Judging by the advertising for 1899, dear colleague, the plant had no problems with personnel

              Dear Valentin, the fact that you have led to a shortage of personnel is nothing at all related to one another.
              You bring a poster, from which it follows that the plant can produce civilian and military vessels. He could :))) According to 4, the destroyers built 240 tons of displacement :)))
              For Nevsky at the beginning of the century, warships were no longer a profile, they were interrupted on destroyers, it turned out badly, and, obviously, all the available "sea" personnel were used on these same destroyers.
        2. +1
          26 March 2019 08: 44
          Something tells me that this is a banal "cutting" of state money under an unseemly pretext.


          but I still think that the Germans were paid a part of the amount for the working drawings, since
          -German worker does not work directly in Russia
          -In two suitcases, the worker will not fit)
          1. 0
            26 March 2019 16: 08
            Quote: Andrey Shmelev
            -In two suitcases, the worker will not fit)

            Of course, but the Germans transmitted a lot of drawings for approval, that is, Pushchin did not bring a complete set of working drawings at all, but only those that had not yet been copied :))))
            1. 0
              26 March 2019 22: 37
              that is, they stole centrally)

              BUT: the Pearl case, as I understand it, differs significantly from Novik (heavier), which means the following:
              Novik project documentation is significantly different from Pearls
              Novik's working documentation is largely not applicable to Pearls

              I seem to have guessed what was stolen and why)
  3. +5
    24 March 2019 10: 17
    A wonderful continuation of the series of articles on armored cruisers of the 2nd rank! The author has once again demonstrated not only a deep interest and knowledge in the history of Russian shipbuilding, but also a literary talent! One story about the "strange forgetfulness" of the junior shipbuilder Pushchin 1st, which is worth .... "Forgot" to return a couple of suitcases of blueprints ..... Well done! To the author - "grand respect" !!!! good drinks
    We look forward to continuing (and with the greatest impatience)!
    1. +1
      24 March 2019 19: 29
      What are a couple of suitcases? - I rather took a couple of railway wagons out of forgetfulness laughing
      1. +1
        25 March 2019 22: 56
        for comparison: workers on, relatively speaking, the "Sports Palace" in 20 thousand square meters will be about 50 boxes for xerox paper (if it is done normally: there is no limit to either laziness or perfection, deviations are possible). I have never seen workers on cruisers but wangyu, the volumes are quite comparable
        1. +1
          26 March 2019 20: 50
          You take an interest in any shipbuilder — what are 50 boxes there — especially at that time — some drawings from the plaza — can you imagine the dimensions? There was no scaling then.
          1. 0
            26 March 2019 22: 44
            I can imagine, but this tracing paper folds to A4 in a box)

            and the worker is also the blueprints of any brackets there)
            1. 0
              26 March 2019 22: 49
              Life-size ship tracing paper — folds into a box? laughing -on the ship "there are no brackets" of course laughing
              1. 0
                27 March 2019 09: 00
                cross section - folding
                in length - compound
                brackets to the fick - a simple example: a shaft with a propeller than supported)
              2. 0
                27 March 2019 09: 01
                PS. scaling was ALWAYS)
  4. +4
    24 March 2019 10: 44
    The materials of the respected colleague Andrei have not been around for so long that I already began to worry (in the sense of being happy :)) if he had found a permanent job lol
    Thanks for the new and very interesting articles.
    As I understand it, Pushchin 1 is Nikolai Nikolayevich Pushchin, future lieutenant general, head of the Gukis Shipbuilding Department and part-time son-in-law of Nikolai Yevlampievich Kuteynikov, also a general and chief inspector of shipbuilding at the time described.
    1. +3
      25 March 2019 17: 24
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      I understand that Pushchin 1, this is Nikolai Nikolayevich Pushchin

      Apparently, he is :) hi
      1. +1
        25 March 2019 20: 58
        "Oh yes Pushchin, oh yes well done!" (almost a quote from Alexander Sergeich).

        Thank you, Andrew! hi I am your ever-present reader and admirer. drinks I will wait impatiently for the story about the "fight", so to speak, "Pearl" with "Emden". There is too much fog, I hope you will dispel.
        1. +1
          26 March 2019 07: 58
          You're welcome! By the way, I did not plan to describe it, I thought to limit myself to RIAW, but if this is interesting, then why not? We describe :)
          1. 0
            26 March 2019 16: 46
            Yes, no, that is - YES, if you please, my friend, describe, if you already took it. smile I don’t remember such an affront in naval history, unless I am entertaining Gunther Prien in Scapa Flow. wink
            Look forward to! hi
  5. +1
    24 March 2019 11: 12
    Straight detective story ...
  6. +1
    24 March 2019 11: 17
    Good morning, dear Andrey!

    a little off topic, but the analogy, I think, is valid:

    when designing the rear and structures on the territory of the Russian Federation, the cost of working drawings by default is accepted normatively as 150% of the cost of design drawings
    the cost of organizational and technological documentation of the construction process goes beyond the cost of working documentation and is determined by agreement of the parties depending on the complexity and detail of the development

    so, the Germans need to be understood and forgiven, so the price is dumping, and then give back the work)
  7. +1
    24 March 2019 11: 25
    But, if you argue in this vein, then the discrepancies in the texts of the contract for the construction of Novik should be recognized as fraud by the German side.


    I would like to see the text of the contract and these discrepancies, because it looks very strange: for example, I read the foreign language text first, and only then Russian

    my opinion (I haven’t seen the text yet), apply construction analogies:
    Germans then, like all NATO countries, now the project documentation contains the basic architectural and constructive decisions, the main decisions of the networks, the exact same position on project documentation is now accepted without fail in the Russian Federation
    build on project documentation will not work
    the work is carried out according to the working documentation, which is a specification and refinement of the design documentation, while the working documentation is not included in the design documentation
    1. +1
      25 March 2019 17: 30
      Quote: Andrei Shmelev
      so the Germans need to understand and forgive

      Do not:)))
      Quote: Andrey Shmelev
      my opinion (not yet seen the text), apply analogies for construction

      Andrew, why analogies? You understand that it is not the text of the document that is primary here, but the requirements put forward during the negotiation process. That is, if it was discussed that the Russian side wants to receive working drawings, and then it turns out that under the German copy of the contract it is not provided for ... That is, generally speaking, this is fraud. It turns out that the Germans nodded their heads, but did in their own way.
      1. +3
        25 March 2019 22: 52
        That is, if it was discussed that the Russian side wants to get working drawings, and then it turns out that this is not provided for by the German copy of the contract ...


        dear colleague, I do not believe in this story, I have never seen or heard from friends that the texts of the contracts differ in different languages, except for the case of a different understanding of the terms

        but cases like bought a project, and network workers - full
        1. +2
          26 March 2019 07: 57
          Quote: Andrey Shmelev
          dear colleague, I do not believe in this story

          Questions of faith are sacred to me laughing
          Quote: Andrey Shmelev
          NEVER seen or heard from friends that the contract texts differed in different languages, except in the case of a different understanding of terms

          No need to equalize the situation today and more than 100 years ago :)))
          1. 0
            26 March 2019 11: 59
            What has changed?
            1. +2
              26 March 2019 16: 07
              Quote: Andrey Shmelev
              What has changed?

              What has changed is that now the same Germans will try to steal the brain for a long time in negotiations, and can offer some of their own, advantageous contract options, but exactly what the negotiators agreed on (I know what I’m talking about) worked a lot with them). What has changed is that now the bribery of foreign campaign officials is very unrealistic, and in those years the amount of bribes was, in fact, part of the travel allowance issued to our officers sent to the same United States for negotiations.
              1. +1
                26 March 2019 16: 25
                Exactly Yes
                I have work experience in the Russian subsidiary of the German company MAN.
                We somehow entered into a contract with a foreign supplier of components.
                The document was in two languages: Russian and German.
                At the same time, in the Russian edition it was written that in the case of discrepancies the text in Russian prevails, and in German - in German)))
                Fortunately, it turned out by chance, and this incident did not cause any problems.
                1. 0
                  26 March 2019 22: 41
                  is it like mom decided to put on a daughter? )
                  1. 0
                    27 March 2019 01: 04
                    No, the supplier was not from our structure :)
                    1. 0
                      27 March 2019 08: 58
                      well, that means, probably, the Russian-speaking lawyer secretly decided to show "soldier's ingenuity") well, or our former compatriots have such fun with the Germans

                      I didn’t see this in minimally serious contracts, their users are multilingual, as a rule, at worst, multilingual contractors
                      moreover, the translation goes through several stages (for example, before the regular translators get to the contract text is sent to an external translation bureau. who also hires a subcontractor: the sub-contractor makes a rough translation, the external translation is based on it with verification, and then use it as one of options for reconciliation when translating your own)
  8. +2
    24 March 2019 11: 48
    Thanks to the author, as always interesting. Another plus in karma. smile Reading one of the articles of the author, in one year I already learned more about the history of the armored fleet than I had in my whole previous life. smile
    1. +2
      26 March 2019 10: 33
      Me too) And to be honest, I even stopped buying books on this topic)))) Information from Andrei Nikolaevich more than suits me)
  9. +5
    24 March 2019 13: 03
    Fiercely plus, "pebbles" are always interesting drinks Especially "detective stories" on their topic - somehow I did not pay attention to these events before.

    There is, however, one semi-justifiable remark regarding the construction of ships by the Nevsky Plant. On the one hand, yes, he did not spoil the quality of the customer, it was like that. On the other hand, it was still very far to the bottom, the Spaniards with "Alfonso XIII" will not let you lie laughing And all the problems with the construction of ships are explained by the use of unskilled labor - as well as at state shipyards, the Nevsky Plant, as far as I know, used a "temporary building" at least in its shipbuilding part, while the qualifications of workers were already beginning to mean a lot. However, I saw this information for a long time, and there are doubts about its reliability, as I did not see an explanation for this phenomenon in a private enterprise. The Baltic Shipyard, I remember, didn’t dabble in the RYAV, but here ...
  10. +2
    24 March 2019 17: 47
    And again the question of utter stupidity when concluding a contract. Is there really no legal department and translator from German in such a serious organization as MTK? I do not believe!
    1. +1
      24 March 2019 21: 34
      about stupidity at the conclusion of the contract


      plus, I don’t believe it either, so I don’t doubt that there was something like "100 rubles for a set of design drawings" (simple and understandable for the translator),
      and the meticulous Germans said (and quite rightly) that the "workers" are not included in the design projects and cost another 150 rubles, and if you please order organizational and technological
      moreover, the story about 75 rubles for observing engineers is a very thick hint that the German "worker" (and this is not a surprise at all), even being stolen, did not work directly in Russian conditions, so I had to finish it for that very money)
      that's just lost a lot of time
      and all so that one young engineer becomes famous with brilliant recommendations
      1. 0
        25 March 2019 17: 44
        Quote: Andrey Shmelev
        moreover, the story about 75 rubles for observing engineers is a very thick hint that the German "worker" (and this is not a surprise at all), even being stolen, did not work directly in Russian conditions, so I had to finish it for that very money)

        Why so difficult? Engineers were invited to guide the construction. The plant obviously had a need for it - the project of building 2 cruisers is clearly new for them, its staff is not enough. In this case, the need for engineers was declared before the drawings came to the factory. Why conspiracy? :))))
        1. +1
          25 March 2019 22: 37
          Engineers were invited to lead the construction.


          author's supervision of 0,2% of the price of construction of buildings in the Russian Federation, that is, if we take this analogy of 6 TR for the cruiser Yes
          1. +1
            26 March 2019 07: 54
            Quote: Andrey Shmelev
            author's supervision of 0,2% of the price of construction of buildings in the Russian Federation, that is, if we take this analogy of 6 TR for the cruiser

            Andrey, you use incomprehensible analogies all the time. What does it have to do with architectural supervision? :))) There is a cruiser. This is a complex object. It must be built. Who will directly supervise the construction? These should be the engineers that Nevsky simply lacked, so they hired extra. And these engineers were no longer needed when the cruisers were built - that’s their cost and included in the contract.
            1. 0
              26 March 2019 12: 01
              And what is your construction management?
              1. 0
                26 March 2019 16: 02
                Quote: Andrey Shmelev
                And what is your construction management?

                Well, there is a crowd of artisans, to whom someone has to explain what exactly needs to be done and control the correctness of the performance :)))) Translating into modern analogues - the head of the workshop and its engineers, senior foremen / heads of production sites / shift heads, maybe masters
                1. 0
                  26 March 2019 22: 39
                  workshops I work on the basis of PIC and cooperation, which are defined in the project

                  the head of the workshop and its engineers, senior craftsmen / heads of production sites / shift supervisors, maybe masters.


                  work on the basis of working documentation)

                  I have an idea what exactly was stolen, while I am silent - not to jinx it, maybe now we will come to this ourselves)
                  1. 0
                    27 March 2019 07: 56
                    Quote: Andrey Shmelev
                    work on the basis of working documentation)

                    This is a paper, but no one has canceled the organization of work on it. All workshops work with the drawings anyway, but at the same time the master shop, the beginning of the sites, craftsmen, technologists, etc. etc. and any other kinds of PDO has not been canceled
    2. PPD
      +2
      25 March 2019 10: 53
      Do not believe in vain. MTK worked like that - no saboteurs are needed.
      When discussing new projects, the ships of the admirals were questioned, they also gave out SUCH at times!
      When the ships were built in a series with at least relatively normal funding, it turned out quite quickly. And so, they begin to build a ship — MTK makes changes, everything stands, made new blueprints, begin to build — bang-MTK still has changes, and so on.
      Thinking ahead is not accepted. And in relations with foreigners, the same principle of work.
      These people generally lived and worked in a leisurely mode.
      1. +1
        25 March 2019 12: 55
        This is understandable, they read Melnikov. But there should have been some administrative regulation in the Republic of Ingushetia. Many write that the empire was extremely bureaucratic, and in a bureaucratic state, written rules for concluding state contracts are simply obliged to exist. And there undoubtedly should be provided for the signing of a contract by a lawyer and the comparison of texts by a translator. It turns out that the MTK was so cool that it could hesitate to ignore the law?
        1. PPD
          +1
          25 March 2019 13: 40
          Bureaucracy-bureaucracy strife.
          What you are talking about is a little later era.
          Yes, and it has long been noticed — the more regulations and bad writing and administration — the more such blunders.
    3. +1
      25 March 2019 17: 34
      Quote: MooH
      Was there really no legal department and a translator from German in such a serious organization as MTC?

      Apparently they just got used to working with their own :))) And the translator probably was, but here you need special technical knowledge, not just to translate, but to know what will stand for this for the court
  11. +4
    24 March 2019 20: 54
    Andrey, I, like Kotya, thank you for the story about these ships. In Sevastopol there are coast guard ships: "Zhemchug," "Izumrud", "Rubin" (? The media say differently). I heard that they are named after Russian corvettes and was going to ask you, if you know, to tell about these ships.
    I am purely land and my parents are far from the sea, but I do not care about the history of the Russian Navy.
    1. +2
      25 March 2019 17: 48
      Quote: Astra wild
      In Sevastopol there are coast guard ships: "Zhemchug," "Izumrud", "Rubin" (? The media say differently). I heard that they are named after Russian corvettes and was going to ask you, if you know, to tell about these ships.

      These are very small ships, in essence - large boats in 630 and displacement and speeds up to 30 nodes.

      They are non-combat, their weapons are one 30-mm AK-630 rapid-fire installation and two 12,7-mm machine guns are suitable only for poachers to drive. But the ship can carry a helicopter, which makes it a good patrol in peacetime.
  12. +2
    24 March 2019 21: 07
    Nevsky is modern Srednenevsky morzavod?
    Andrey, do you know: the owners of 'Shikhau' are not Jews by any chance? They interpreted the stupidity of the Russian MTK with the contract in their favor very much as Jewish:
    And Lieutenant Pushchin, of course, didn’t do very well with the drawings, but .... well done
    1. 0
      25 March 2019 17: 50
      Quote: Astra wild
      Nevsky is modern Srednenevsky morzavod?

      No, it is called CJSC "Nevsky Zavod", more details can be found here https://www.reph.ru/about/enterprise/nevskij_zavod/history/
      Now he is engaged in energy, and seems to be quite successful
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  14. +2
    25 March 2019 13: 40
    at the price of 3 300 000 rubles. each. This was a very expensive proposal, because it was about building the ship itself, with armor, but without artillery and ammunition. A Novik in this configuration cost 2 rubles, and a Boyarin under construction in Denmark cost 900 British pounds. Unfortunately, the author is not exactly aware of the rate that was used to convert pounds to rubles


    can it help?
    In 1897-1899, the Minister of Finance, Sergey Witte, carried out a monetary reform that marked the introduction of gold circulation in Russia. The bet on gold (unlike the old silver) was made taking into account changes in the world market. Then the industrial countries created a single monetary system, the basis of which became the golden currency.

    The silver ruble was replaced by the gold ruble - it was equal to 0,774234 g of pure gold. Gold coins of denomination were introduced into the domestic monetary circulation of Russia: 5; 7,5; 10 and 15 rubles. So in a Nikolaev coin of 10 rubles (in the USSR its equivalent was called a chervonets), pure gold contained 7,74234 g with a total weight of the coin in 8,6026.

    For comparison: the gold parity of the main currencies at that time was as follows:

    1 dollar - 1,50463 g of pure gold;
    1 pound sterling - 7,322382 g of pure gold;
    1 French franc - 0,290323 g of pure gold;
    1 German mark - 0,358423 g of pure gold.


    in terms of the gold equivalent in rubles, 314000 pounds (the price of Boyarin), this is 2969680 rubles.
    This is theoretically. And since the exchange rate is floating - everything will depend on the offer - which is usually higher than the face value and many ...

    Despite the fact that the ruble of that time was provided with gold equivalents (unlike the current wooden one), but in order to order the cruiser of the same type and generally ship / machinery / equipment abroad, the state should have funds in the currency of the country of manufacture / supplier or pay in gold ruble - which is extremely unprofitable (to reduce the country's gold reserves means to reduce the number of paper rubles in circulation. By the way, about + -22,6% was circulated in gold in 1914.

    At that time, currency could be obtained either by selling (as it is now) or by exchanging gold rubles for currency on the exchange (at the end of the 38,7th century, exchanges accounted for about 39,3% of the total non-cash foreign currency turnover in Russia, 22% on over-the-counter transactions and XNUMX% on cash turnover. The currency was traded, in particular, the stock departments of the St. Petersburg, Moscow and Odessa exchanges).

    Nuance! Amounts of the cost of ships, it is absolutely unbelievable to be purchased on the exchanges of that time and the budget was drawn up from the availability, or from plans for obtaining currency by the treasury. As a result, it usually came out with some discount of the ruble (demand gives rise to price increases).
    So the conversion in rubles may not be as profitable as theoretical.
  15. 0
    26 March 2019 09: 41
    Hooray! So I waited)