Rogozin and cosmonautics: who wins?

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If you watch carefully and without hysterics how the problems of our astronautics multiply and get fat, you begin to believe that this is someone’s cunning plan.

And obviously not separately taken gentlemen, whose faces are no longer placed in the frame of the TV. The whole system works, the purpose of which is the complete ruin of the Russian space industry with the subsequent sale to everyone. And inevitably the question arises: who benefits and who is behind this?



But I will leave the questions to the end, but for now let's calmly face the facts.

Rogozin and cosmonautics: who wins?


And the facts speak of the following: the fall into the abyss of the Russian space program did not begin suddenly and not yesterday. Yesterday (in general, in 2017) it became clear that the crisis was raging and bending the industry to the ground. This is me about the words of Andrei Removich Belousov, the current presidential aide on economic issues. A stupid person, and, judging by the lack of his glitter "For Merits", is also honest.

So, back in December, 2017, Belousov, in his heart, threw a phrase that “Roscosmos State Corporation does not earn a damn.” This was the first call from above.

And the last one I think is the January phrase of our Prime Minister Medvedev, who ordered “to stop talking, where we will fly in the 2030 year, to talk less and do more”. Well, if the prime minister says so, then things are worse than ever.

The last word, of course, is Putin, but the fact that he is silent, looking at the show performed by Rogozin and Roscosmos, on the one hand, encourages (not much), on the other hand, you realize that GDP could already give up. on going clownery.

Today’s realities are such that, in general, everything is relatively good. And Andrei Removich, saying that Roskosmos does not earn anything, of course, it’s right, but the worst is still to come.

It is worth considering what “RK” generally makes money on:

- manned launches to the ISS;
- sale of rocket engines RD-180 to Americans;
- production of satellites;
- putting satellites into orbit.

It is not necessary to force much, and so it is clear that soon “RK” may lose ALL components from this list. And it began not yesterday. The main blow to our space program was delivered in 2014 year. Well, yes, "Krymnash." Our Crimea, but for some reason, the Western partners began to indulge in sanctions and gradually turn away. Plus, we lost Yuzhmash.

Today there is nothing to talk about Crimea, the fact is not in it, but in the fact that the consequences could not be neutralized. But we, proudly with our nose up, said that we would manage, and the partners ... And the partners, by the way, rushed to neutralize the consequences of their sanctions. For myself.

And, unfortunately, succeeded.

The same Koreans who developed their first carrier KSLV (Korea Space Launch Vehicle) with us, for some reason turned away instantly, and KSLV-2 had already developed completely independently, but on the basis of American SpaceX technologies.

Yes, and SpaceX too. Our Urya-patriots were very clever for a long time on the topic “yes, nothing will come of them,” predicted a collapse, and so on. Well, 2020 is the year here, not far off, and with it the contract of carrying on the ISS between NАSА and RK will end.

I foresee op at all levels, from social networks to the Senate and the US Congress on the topic “Enough to keep Russians, we can do it ourselves!” And I am sure that everyone will vote for delivering astronauts to the ISS, even if it is a raw ship, than the Russian one. This is normal. Minus one.

Especially since there are no complaints about “Soyuz”, since they are quite well in service for 1967, they slightly modernize themselves. The key word here is “slightly.”

Actually, over the past 50 years, we have not invented anything new. What for? If everything works so well? If Korolev and his comrades did this? Meaning to strain?

And the rest in the world were strained and perfected. Who wanted to imagine a piece of space.

But we go further.

Regarding the cart, it is worth noting that, in addition to the Dragon, which delivers cargo to the ISS and (the main difference) takes it from there, now there is a Dragon V2. And you have to believe that the Americans have really spent time since 2011.

On the second point, a question arises about Blue Origin, which offered ULA its engine designs as an alternative to our RD-180. Actually, someone can continue to shout about the fact that Americans can never. Personally, as an intelligent person, I understand that the question of abandoning the RD-180 is a matter of the most recent time.

Who does not understand is a matter of prestige. So, “VO” will finish its engines, and the RD-180 will be abandoned. In the same way as abandon the "Union".

Go ahead. Production of satellites.

It seems to be a complete order, but a complete order, because we are simply not told about how Roscosmos once again ... And it would be worth it.

Take for example history with the Egyptian satellite EgyptSat-2.

The satellite was launched 16 on April 2014 of the year from the Baikonur cosmodrome and put into orbit. 7 months satellite was under the control of Russian experts. In January 2015, satellite control was transferred to Egyptian specialists.

12 May 2015, the malfunction of the onboard digital computing complex, the problem did not work out, the satellite went into the trash. On insurance money "Energy" is building its doubler.

Or his colleague, the Angolan satellite AngoSat 1. Built, by the way, on the money that Russia gave to Angola on credit (248 million dollars).

The start was made on 26 December 2017 of the year. After separation from the “Fregat” upper stage, the satellite contacted, but subsequently the connection with it was lost. Again received insurance, which is built understudy.

You can go on and on, but ...

But it is better to go straight to the fourth and last point. To launch satellites. Leaving for later problems with the assembly and debugging of spacecraft.

The fact that all space powers have failures is normal. Companions fall or fly away in the trash, too, at all. Another question is whether a country, a former leader in the exploration of outer space, can afford to ruin bundles of spacecraft? Accidents, forgive, are reflected in the image. And only negatively.

If, say, the Chinese and the Japanese launch only their devices, then we are ready to encourage everyone. More precisely, having the opportunity to pay. Well, then we should approach the questions accordingly.

And we, forgive, and there are problems. That sensor will block upside down with a locksmith, then the wrong solder will be given out. The result - millions of dollars in junk. We live well ...

But in the end, watching all this disgrace, yesterday's partners today cease to be them.

Yes, once the race for space were two great powers - the USSR and the USA. Now the “space club” has become a club, since there are already more than a dozen launching countries. Both Korea, New Zealand - where is it? And there. To space.

The world, you know, has changed. And everyone wants to launch devices into orbit. It is clear that not everyone can afford it, but New Zealand was able to ...

And we? What are we? How about revenge on the former leading space power? In general, I would like Russia to somehow return to the first place in terms of start-ups in general and successful ones in particular.

Alas.

You know, we have one figure ... Someone Rogozin. And his activity is not even in doubt. Fears for our space industry.



In general, everything that Rogozin and his subordinates are doing today, all under the auspices of the "Angara". There is no other way out. Just give a mind to this more than strange rocket. Fit it anywhere.

Meanwhile, Rogozin's spotlights are more than sci-fi. The launch of the Sphere system, naturally, on Angara heavy rockets.

The Sphere system itself is the former Aether system, which was supposed to consist of 288 satellites and possess, well, just wonderful signal transmission parameters to subscribers. Than "Aether" did not look, it is difficult to say, but instead it was announced about the system "Sphere" from 640 satellites worth 300 billion rubles.

So necessary for the launch of this heap of satellites "Angara" is transferred in terms of assembly from Moscow to Omsk. Motivation seems to be normal, equidistance from Plesetsk and East. How much, however, it will take a relocation in days and rubles is not announced.

But it was announced that we must urgently abandon the "Proton". "Proton", collected by crooked Voronezh hands, is not needed. Especially it is not needed if it does NOT suddenly fly Angara. Then Rogozin will quickly find the guilty welder, the Angara will not fly anyway, but there will be nothing to duplicate or replace it.

The Khrunichev Center in Moscow must be demolished. And in its place to build a "National Space Center". At what time it will cost in rubles and years, no one can say yet either. But Rogozin has already presented his project of the center, which was called a phallus in the network.



The center, without which the work of the entire space industry is impossible, must be earned in 2022. More than 20 thousands of Roscosmos employees will be relocated there. Where they will work while they start building the center, Rogozin kept silent.

In general, everything looks more than inadequate.

I understand that Rogozin is sleeping peacefully, he will be given money anyway. Another question is how and what he spends them. And will there be any sense out of this (I say in advance, I don’t believe a gram)?

Knowing how effective Rogozin is, and how his words diverge from deeds - I don’t believe it, and that’s it. I understand why Dmitry Olegovich says now about the moon tractor in 2030 year. Who will remember there, in 10 years, what did he promise to whom?

Although in some places they still remember the promises of Mr. Rogozin before his first election ...

Okay, everything is clear with Rogozin, he, if anything, will help his corporation with a trampoline. But back to the "Angara".

So beloved Rogozin "Angara" cost us almost two billion dollars. And I flew for 25 more than twice in total. In 2014 year.

It was calculated (not by Rogozin) that one launch (if the East one was completed) of the heavy carrier Angara-A5 approaches one hundred million dollars. What does this mean? The fact that the Angara-A5 will be completely uncompetitive in comparison with the American Falcon 9 rocket. And God forbid that by the time the Angara is ready to launch, no new American, European, Japanese, Indian or Chinese missiles will come out. It will be very sad.

But we will have a space phallus in Moscow, with the Rogozin cabinet at the top. And the super-expensive Cosmodrome Vostochny, where else to plant and plant the converting gentlemen of all stripes and ranks.

But - all is useful. Somewhere Roscosmos employees have to sit, right? In terms of work. And the East is useful. Yes, the launches will be a couple of times a year, but they will be the same: the Ministry of Defense will remain a loyal client of Kazakhstan. If all the same finish East.

It is clear that no one in the world will wait until Rogozin and the company build a bright future for themselves. They will find who will be able to launch satellites into orbit, since there is already a choice.

To be honest, the fact that Vostochniy will work to its fullest at all is in great doubt. Today, it is built only a quarter, and, as experts say and write, with such defects that it would be better not to build it.

Well, the very statistics of the application shows that three starts (plus one unsuccessful) in three years is not enough for a toy worth trillions of rubles. So-so turned out.

If everything goes the same way with everything else, and the question immediately arises, why should it be otherwise, then what should we expect?

It's hard to say, it's easier, probably, to say what is NOT worth the wait.

Own orbital station, near-earth, near-moon, research base on the Moon, interplanetary / lunar "Federation", which still replace the "Union" - that's all this is not to wait.

The projects and initiatives of Rogozin clearly show that it is much more interesting for him to simply inject sums (it’s not worth turning the money away) to the Khrunichev Center. Without a guarantee of receiving at least some return.

Well, yes, journalist Dmitry Rogozin can arbitrarily fiercely criticize applied physicist Ilona Mask, but ... Mask made a move by setting the ship 21 of the century, and Rogozin ...

And the head of "Roskosmos" and his colleagues are committed to finding those responsible for their own failures.

Currently, the list includes quite a lot: a shortage of money, Space X, the United States, an “information attack”, the former leadership of Roscosmos, resigned engineering and labor cadres, foreign spies and even the former Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov.

But not a word addressed to this Roscosmos management. Not a word about your own wine.

However, the appointment of Rogozin as the Director General of Roscosmos and his actions, and most importantly, the statements, are explained quite easily: Dmitry Olegovich’s confidence is based on his relationship, you know with whom.

If the question of appointing the Roscosmos director was decided referendally, Rogozin would hardly have been given this position. It is difficult to find in the circles of the president the least suitable person, and even less popular than Rogozin.

But, unfortunately, the decision of the issue is beyond our competence. And if Putin is satisfied with what Rogozin does in Roscosmos, then the people who have elected the president want it that way.

And the loss of leading positions in space can be experienced somehow, isn't it?

In the next article we will talk about scientific work in space, orbital perspectives and lunar stations. To be continued.
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  1. +38
    15 March 2019 06: 03
    Only the face of Rogozin is expanding, and not the space industry.
    1. +35
      15 March 2019 06: 13
      Rogozin and cosmonautics: who wins?
      if this is a tote, then I bet on Rogozin, I'm sure he will get rid of Roscosmos.
      1. +14
        15 March 2019 06: 16
        You have already won, the word "umothaet" must be pronounced in the present tense.
        1. +19
          15 March 2019 06: 23
          Quote: Pessimist22
          You have already won, the word "umothaet" must be pronounced in the present tense.

          it's nice to win something. recourse and Rogozin, during his lifetime, became a legend, it was when he began to drill holes in the ISS! Yes
          1. +9
            15 March 2019 06: 26
            I think he especially has no time to engage in space, he has more mundane goals, the factory Orsis rifle which does need to be withdrawn for profit.
            1. -6
              15 March 2019 12: 57
              And what do you have against one of the most modern factories in the world for the production of high-precision shooting systems? Which rifles have won the World Cup more than once and are selling well?
              If they can let him build as many as he can such plants)
            2. +11
              15 March 2019 13: 50
              Roscosmos has long turned into Rogozmos. And our ships will still plow the Bolshoi Theater.
        2. +20
          15 March 2019 07: 29
          And why no one admires yesterday's start of the "Union"?
          1. +15
            15 March 2019 07: 54
            Quote: figvam
            And why no one admires yesterday's start of the "Union"?

            Oddly enough, in recent years, VO has not commented on domestic launches, the success of which unfortunately has become non-trivial ...
          2. +17
            15 March 2019 08: 41
            no one admires
            Why is there no video in Russian? So we have two foreign policies. One for partners, another for the people.
          3. +12
            15 March 2019 08: 48
            Quote: figvam
            And why no one admires yesterday's start of the "Union"?
            Afraid to jinx
            1. +9
              15 March 2019 09: 27
              Well, even if the Union ceases to take off, it’s even hard to say how big the stuffing should be turned into Mr. Rogozin ...
          4. -7
            15 March 2019 09: 20
            Quote: figvam
            And why no one admires yesterday's start of the "Union"?

            Probably because he is not American, and not Israeli, in general, not the bright elves pile him.
            1. -2
              15 March 2019 22: 19
              Sure, it flew well and flew well. And he who doesn’t write about everything that’s gone is not happy, otherwise they won’t read what interest they will write.
          5. +5
            16 March 2019 22: 51
            Um ...
            And what, in fact, to admire? The fact that Soyuz-FG flew? Based on the ICBM R-7?
            Which in turn was created in the second half of the last century?
            Or the fact that this time the sensor assembled correctly?
            Or the fact that this time Baikonur was not confused with Vostochny?
            And the technology is not all the scarce solder stolen?
            Here is the Mask to be proud of. And we admire.
            For a man for roughly a decade from scratch created several spacecraft and carriers. Among the latter, by the way, and heavy. Which point-blank is not visible in Russia.
            Stop riding on the back of the Queen. Those days are long gone, the world does not stand still. Only Russia for some reason is marking time.
            1. 0
              17 March 2019 09: 26
              Quote: snucerist
              Um ..
              .And what, in fact, to admire?

              Your favorite mask with the help of NASA and the Pentagon, only trying to catch up with the second half of the last century)))
    2. +1
      17 March 2019 16: 33
      And as an illustration of the developing insanity: "Roscosmos demonstrated a video of the world's most powerful engine RD 171", one article even indicated that "the newest". As submitted - "engine video". And this is about the driver of the Cradle of the 70's shaggy, half of which is the usual RD 180. They don't even know what "news" reports to cover their asses with. The impression was that a succession had taken place: normal designers, like Lyulka and Korolev, had already died out like mammoths, and at Roscosmos they were replaced by “effective managers” - journalists.
      1. 0
        17 March 2019 16: 40
        I humbly want to notice the Lyulka’s engine competed with the Kuznetsov’s engine (well, just strange, you forgot) laughing
    3. 0
      18 March 2019 17: 14
      The title of the article is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! Plus to the author
  2. +4
    15 March 2019 06: 04
    If nothing changes, we will really lag behind, sadness ...
    1. +8
      15 March 2019 06: 41
      In fact, we already lag behind technologically, but this systemic backlog and no additional production line will eliminate it.
      1. +8
        15 March 2019 07: 08
        If the so-called Russian companies produce various types of goods abroad and sell them in Russia, which space can we talk about ...
    2. +26
      15 March 2019 11: 46
      Dear Ravil. I share your sorrow. While the technical science-intensive sectors of industry (Roskosmos, the Ministry of Industry and Labor) are headed by Rogozin, Doctor of Philosophy and Manturov, a sociologist with an economic and legal profile, we can confidently confirm your statement: "... nothing will change, we will really lag behind ..." There was an article for the Russian cosmonautics: "Do not forgive them, Yura. How Roskosmos is destroying the Russian cosmonautics."
      There is also an article by an employee of the Progress Center, Samara. Reading these articles, an understanding comes that Russia is deliberately lowered to the level of AFRICAN COUNTRIES - this is the cultivation of bananas (for Russia, this is the sale of grain) and the export of rough diamonds (for Russia, this is the sale of natural raw materials).
      Excerpts from the article "Yura, we are all ..."
      “I am a simple employee of the Samara rocket-building center“ Progress ”, and indeed an ordinary citizen of Russia. I have a family, I have dreams. Dreams of justice and thoughts about where it would be more profitable to invest money, if I am sure there are many like me. Until recently, I was calmly confident in the future. ... I decided to write this letter not only out of fear of losing my job. I am afraid for the future of the entire enterprise, and even the industry ... One of the most popular jokes at the plant is “We do not make rockets, but paper.” The share of the joke in it, however, is small. Thanks to the policy of “lean manufacturing”, strategic stocks of steel and rolled products were eliminated, designed to ensure uninterrupted and complete autonomous operation of the plant in a critical situation. But the stocks of stationery are inexhaustible. Against the background of slowly dying departments of design and auxiliary production, like mushrooms after rain, all kinds of nye "departments" - for risk assessment, for the fight against corruption, for economic responsibility. Endless orders, instructions and memos circulate through the plant instead of metal. Document flow goes deeper into the "digital", this is true, but its essence changes little from this. Whole divisions are now working on the development, approval and signing of agreements, contracts and statements. Every day, new reasons are invented for creating commissions, appointing responsible persons and submitting lists. Seemingly correct aspirations turn into a heap of formal and thoughtless replies in practice. The bureaucracy has turned the activities of the heads of divisions into an impenetrable swamp, which is gradually drawing in both deputies and ordinary employees.
      Mass reductions occur twice a year. Like conscriptions to the army, they have been falling in spring and autumn for several years. The current reduction (in the spring of 2019) is aimed at reducing the number of employees of the enterprise by three thousand people. In practice, the number of dismissed and resigned will, I assure you, much more. Mainly, pensioners - employees from 60 and above fall under the reduction, but those at the plant will soon no longer remain. Together with them, the enterprise is leaving the knowledge gleaned from the increasingly dilapidated Soviet textbooks and reference books, and the invaluable experience accumulated since the time when people here thought about space flights, and not about what money to pay the mortgage payment this month. For each reduction, an order is issued that allows employees to quit "by agreement of the parties" with the payment of three average monthly salaries. In theory, this approach should stimulate the older generation to retire with ... a "gilded" parachute, giving way to the next generation. In practice, things are much worse. And worse. Experienced old people take this opportunity, yes. But the departing employee takes with him not only three salaries - he receives them at the cost of reducing the place in the staffing table, which he occupied. Young promising employees who could take his place and improve their financial situation are not on the threshold of career growth, but at a dead end ... "https://lastcall.su/nam-pishut/progress.html
      1. 0
        15 March 2019 12: 33
        To blame. (Ministry of Industry and Trade)
      2. +7
        15 March 2019 20: 44
        Unfortunately, a whole era of specialists who could pass on their knowledge is leaving. There is no continuity. All of this is DONE. And young cadres, the future color of the nation goes abroad. Who stays - you know who. Do not write, the word will not work. Scary for the country.
  3. +30
    15 March 2019 06: 09
    Rogozin and cosmonautics: who wins?
    Unfortunately, there is one more question: "Rogozin Jr. and Transport Ily: Who will win?"
    1. +1
      15 March 2019 14: 45
      I wonder if there are many such "questions" around the country
      1. +4
        15 March 2019 14: 46
        Quote: Charik
        I wonder if there are many such "questions" around the country

        Unfortunately more than I would like
        1. +2
          15 March 2019 14: 51
          I know one example but it's not from such an opera. Severin- "STAR"
          1. 0
            15 March 2019 14: 56
            Quote: Charik
            I know one example but it's not from such an opera. Severin- "STAR"

            But at least something should please. Just now, we will wait for the US sanctions from our USC and then everything will be more or less clear.
            1. +1
              16 March 2019 14: 00
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64ZY92V2QeQ
    2. 0
      15 March 2019 19: 33
      About how many wonderful discoveries we have ...!
  4. +37
    15 March 2019 06: 23
    I repeat not the first time, but the president does not surrender his own. Despite the results of the activity. When Mutko was appointed minister, the whole thought was neighing. And this is not an isolated case. Examples are known to all. The fact that cadres decide everything is well known. Here are the shots, that's all.
    1. +28
      15 March 2019 06: 39
      Though Rogozin, even Osokin, even grass, there will be no sense. The system, however .... request
      1. +10
        15 March 2019 09: 26
        Yeah ... Neither James Bond nor seals are needed ... The betrayal of officials is already tired ... The difference is that, in contrast to these figures, Korolev did not think about sleepless nights in France and how to send children abroad .. For the present, this is a means of stuffing pockets, and this is in the best case ... At worst, working out remuneration from Washington. It's a shame for the Power ...
        1. +3
          15 March 2019 10: 25
          Quote: ZakPo
          It’s a shame for the Power ..

          That is yes. Only worse. Already not only for the power, especially since the power is not for those now. Even for myself.
        2. +10
          15 March 2019 12: 48
          Quote: ZakPo
          The betrayal of officials is already tired ...

          This is not betrayal, this is business, and nothing personal. Our mediocrities, unable to create a Russian analogue of Boeing or Microsoft, make "acquaintances" and go to high-ranking officials, where you can get super-profits from your job. And what is there and how do they give a damn. Rockets fall, and figs with them, all the same, the state will pay the fines, and not Rogozin personally. And here not only Rogozin, but the whole host "standing at the throne."
          1. 0
            15 March 2019 14: 13
            But the fact is that business, in the positions they hold, is a betrayal of the interests of the country. The rest I agree.
          2. +3
            15 March 2019 17: 55
            In general, the Vostochny Cosmodrome is a propaganda project.
            Neither needed by the state, nor the space industry, nor science. This is only a personal show of leadership.

            It took a lot of money to build, so every future launch from it will be two to three times more expensive than from Baikonur. Vostochny is divorced thousands of kilometers from the production base, from scientific institutions, from the support infrastructure. Some travel expenses will cost, not to mention the delivery of missile components to Vostochny.

            They could have been built in the southern Urals. If you need a meridian to the south, they could have built a sea platform on the Black Sea.
          3. +1
            16 March 2019 21: 12
            Quote: EwgenyZ
            This is not betrayal, this is business, and nothing personal. Our mediocrities, unable to create a Russian analogue of Boeing or Microsoft, make "acquaintances" and go to high-ranking officials, where you can get super-profits from your job. And what is there and how do they give a damn. Rockets fall, and figs with them, all the same, the state will pay the fines, and not Rogozin personally. And here not only Rogozin, but the whole host "standing at the throne."


            Mediocrity, alas, in power sit and "wrap and land" domestic developments, or even stupidly sell them "over the hill." We also have a legacy of the USSR and talented youth, which every day is melting and decreasing (with such and such an education system, it is not surprising) capable of creating analogs of Boeing, Microsoft. But - what kind of official will support and break through domestic developments, if he knows perfectly well that for this he can be arrested and deprived, in fact, of accounts and real estate, as always issued to relatives and third parties, abroad in the same usa as example?
    2. +27
      15 March 2019 06: 44
      what kind of president and cadres ... what kind of cadres is that and all ...
      the worst thing is that nothing will change in the coming years ... one talking room and theft ...
      1. +10
        15 March 2019 08: 26
        But Comrade Stalin said: "Cadres decide everything." He was a titan and cadres are appropriate.
        1. +1
          15 March 2019 11: 41
          But there is a person - there is a problem, there is no person - there is no problem!
          1. +5
            15 March 2019 12: 05
            If a person is a problem, then it is better to solve the problem in the Stalinist way.
        2. +4
          15 March 2019 14: 35
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          But Comrade Stalin said: "Cadres decide everything"


          He said this too - "Everyone has shortcomings and mistakes in their work, there are no holy people. Therefore, you need to put up with small shortcomings in everyone's work. It is important that the balance is positive. Do you think you have no shortcomings?" He touched his hand to my shoulder. - And you do. And I also have shortcomings, although I am “a great leader and teacher.” I know this from the newspapers .... ”(A.S. Yakovlev)
          Only loafers have no shortcomings, it is easier for them not to answer for anything, but to confidently bake everyone around the workers.
          I will not comment on the rest, the author in his repertoire - "I don't know what they are doing there, but everything is not right."
        3. Fat
          +2
          15 March 2019 16: 44
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          But Comrade Stalin said: "Cadres decide everything." He was a titan and cadres are appropriate.

          On September 25, 1938, Korolev was included in the list of persons subject to trial by the Military Collegium of the USSR Supreme Court. On the list, he went to the first (execution) category. The list was endorsed by Stalin, Molotov, Voroshilov and Kaganovich. If not for Gromov and Grizodubova (then the deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR), the "decisive frame" would have disappeared at the Maldyak mine. Comrade Beria was very well versed in the "sharagin" personnel ...
          1. +5
            15 March 2019 19: 37
            Quote: Thick
            September 25, 1938 Korolev was included in the list of persons subject to trial by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR

            This has already been discussed at the VO-inappropriate large embezzlement in a poor country, and therefore came to trial.
            Yes, and now if someone caught in a misappropriation could be imprisoned.
            1. +2
              16 March 2019 18: 37
              Quote: naidas
              anyone caught in misappropriation can be planted
              Something I do not watch Rogozin behind bars.
              1. +1
                16 March 2019 18: 43
                Quote: Greenwood
                Something I do not watch Rogozin behind bars

                The right person, this is not planted.
                1. 0
                  16 March 2019 21: 26
                  who will put him, he’s Putinnik
    3. +9
      15 March 2019 08: 50
      Quote: Mikhail M
      When Mutko was appointed minister, the whole thought was neighing.

      That's for sure, I immediately remembered about him, after reading an article by Roman. Therefore, Rogozin isn’t the only thing, the whole system is here
      1. +8
        15 March 2019 09: 09
        It was whole under Beria, but today there is no system, it is fractional chaos, like a puzzle, sloppy assembled by amateurs who have no idea about the algorithms and the ultimate goal of the large system.
        1. +16
          15 March 2019 15: 54
          Rogozin, Mutko, Medvedev, etc., are all the blanks in Putin’s hands, who selects personnel based on personal devotion, and not on professional suitability.
          It turns out that the interests of the elites, the interests of power clans, the interests of personal peace and psychological comfort of the president are higher than the interests of the country, economic development, rotation of the elites, social optimism, new staff and more.
          What a great staffing solution! What a brilliant rearrangement! He went in for sports - became a construction worker, engaged in social policy - began to play sports.
          The peak of staff splendor was in the old days the change of Chaika to Ustinov. Chaika was the Minister of Justice, became the Attorney General, and Ustinov was the Attorney General - became the Minister of Justice. Great staffing solution!
          Therefore, we will admire another five years, these excellent personnel decisions - Golikova, Mutko ... And then they will change places. It will be a powerful breakthrough staffing solution.
          1. 0
            15 March 2019 20: 47
            Well done. Everything is clear.
    4. +2
      15 March 2019 20: 46
      Mutko is clearly said about this. What shots are such things.
  5. +12
    15 March 2019 06: 25
    It is difficult to say what “Ether” did not look at, but instead, the “Sphere” system of 640 satellites worth 300 billion rubles was announced.


    Now, in their supposedly last six years, there will be more and more such plans. We must grab for good, because other "friends" will come there. In the states of the president for the last term, the name is a lame duck, and we apparently have a lame bear, which tries to eat more before hibernation.
  6. +11
    15 March 2019 06: 37
    Hmm ... I remember some said back in the 90s, I don’t remember the names anymore that Russia doesn’t need space .. we need to feed the people ... We fed ... we don’t need space ... Forgive us Jura ... boys, more they don’t dream of being astronauts ... But not everything is so sad, the West will help us, get strong or our oligarchs will create a private space company, outperform the Mask and other competitors ... something new is coming up ... type of ё-mobile..It's obligatory ... wink
    1. +8
      15 March 2019 07: 26
      Quote: parusnik
      Hmm ... I remember some said back in the 90s, I don’t remember the names anymore that Russia doesn’t need space .. we need to feed the people ... We fed ... we don’t need space ...

      The funny thing is that the "Soviet space" could feed itself, maybe not 100%, but a significant part of it, thereby reducing the burden on the state budget.
  7. +24
    15 March 2019 06: 37
    Rogozin is a cog in the Putin system ... with Roscosmos, the forecast for the future is clear as a sunny summer day ...
  8. +11
    15 March 2019 06: 38
    The main blow to our space program was inflicted in the 2014 year. Well, yes, Krymnash. Our Crimea, but the Western partners for some reason began to indulge in sanctions and gradually turn away. Plus we lost Yuzhmash.
    I think 2014 is just when "the secret was revealed." Sanctions and restrictions, forcing "Russian substitution" in foreign space exploration began long before 2014. You needed a reason, that's all. So with this version, "Krymnash" became just "a piece of ham, cut out of swinishness" ...
    If the issue of appointing the director of Roskosmos would be resolved reference
    Yes, it's a problem. Irremovability of the nomenclature, everything is like Petrosyan's in the satire of Soviet times: "And I am no longer there, I am the director of the men's bath ..."

    After Yuri Gagarin's flight, jubilant people walked around with the motto: "Space is OUR" .. Now he is not ours, he is "Roscosmos", and everyone else is interested only in scandalous news about failures ... It's a pity ..
  9. +8
    15 March 2019 06: 40
    will space phallus in Moscow, with Rogozin’s office at the very top

    I ask all impressionable citizens to be sorry in advance .. but since there is such a comparison, I will allow myself a little hope that this body will fulfill its mission - it will ejaculate from the upper cabinets directly into outer space a tribe of modern zinger, led by the valiant leadership of the corporation.
    A wonderful sight to come! We need to put sofas around ... and enjoy the departure of the main talkers.
    We will all joyfully take it together: 20 seconds - the flight is normal ... Well and so on.
    1. +1
      15 March 2019 10: 28
      Quote: kunstkammer
      We need to put sofas around ..

      Do not think! Splashes ....
      1. +1
        15 March 2019 16: 01
        It is better to wait until 2024 and correctly vote for the new Leader. But then there will be the most exciting sight - these Mutko, Rogozins and Chubays will be tackled in all directions, as well as members of Edra and other officials who hate the people to run.
        1. +4
          15 March 2019 19: 40
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          vote correctly for the new Leader

          A dozen Rogozins, Medvedevs, etc. are awakening in the voting list, and how to vote?
        2. 0
          18 March 2019 17: 59
          I’ll send you money if you say for whom.
  10. +12
    15 March 2019 06: 46
    And then Rogozin and what is his fault?
    The author himself answered:
    And if Putin is satisfied with what Rogozin does at Roskosmos, then that is what the people who elected the president want.

    Well, about "so the people want it this way," the author, to put it mildly, exaggerated and bent, the people do not want this.
    And Putin is really completely satisfied with Rogozin. This is where the whole of Russian cosmonautics collapses.
    Comrade L.P. Beria in such cases asked, and would surely ask Rogozin, “Are you or an enemy of the people ?!”
    1. +14
      15 March 2019 08: 49
      Dear Sigismund! hi
      I will continue your comment:
      What do you understand about pests? - In the heat of the dispute, Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria told Ivan Vladimirovich Michurin.
      In general, as usual, the logical article of the respected Roman led to very sad reflections about what a scientific axiom is: "A hypothesis that explains known facts becomes a theory."
      Of course, I do not want to say anything bad about Rogozin, but, as they say in a wise joke, "flies are rarely wrong".
  11. +14
    15 March 2019 07: 11
    But not a word addressed to this Roscosmos management. Not a word about your own wine.
    Roma, take it higher - it's just flowers)))) The fish rots from the head) If there is also an engineering school, then there are no organizers, economists who should come out of the same engineers at all. But after all, someone carried out "reforms" of the education system, reduced the labor market for these specialists - they have nowhere to learn in practice, by and large, and there is no one from whom.
  12. +12
    15 March 2019 07: 20
    Well, what do you want if the cosmodrome was built by rotational workers of which a large number are from Central Asia. If during the construction "suddenly" wild expenses, theft were revealed. Construction contracts were concluded with firms that were registered in some villages and villages. How can this be, because it is clear that the company is one-day and was created to launder money. It seems like they caught themselves, what idiocy they didn’t seem to see until the workers' strikes began. What it is? Rampant theft? Toothlessness of law enforcement? Or is the budget shared between neighbors and the industry given to them for feeding?
  13. +8
    15 March 2019 07: 37
    just the wild incompetence and unprofitability of the upper classes and the codes of their advisers, for as it is written if the blind leads the blind ...
  14. +30
    15 March 2019 07: 43
    In vain you are so on Rogozin, just spaceships are fighting against the firmament. But on guard is the confessor of Roskosmos.
    1. +23
      15 March 2019 08: 00
      Quote: Gardamir
      In vain you are so on Rogozin, just spaceships are fighting against the firmament. But on guard is the confessor of Roskosmos.

      This bearded erysipelas, having no education, receives money from the budget of Roscosmos for the provision of clown services. This is certainly not the bottom, but so on.
      1. +3
        15 March 2019 13: 43
        Quote: Puncher
        This bearded erysipelas with no education

        I apologize for this phrase, did not check the history of this issue, it turns out he served in the Strategic Rocket Forces, I hope not an urgent service. But this does not change my attitude to a particular person and his activities.
        In fairness, we note that Father Sergius is not a stranger to space technology: the current confessor of Roscosmos in his "pre-church" life was a rocket launcher, he served in the space forces.
        1. +5
          15 March 2019 15: 23
          But this does not change my attitude to a particular person and his activities.
          The point is not even in this person, but in those who put him there.
        2. 0
          18 March 2019 18: 07
          An apology should not be brought for insulting a particular person, but for insulting the Church. Even if he only worked as a janitor before seminary. I will pose this question (insulting the Church in comments) to the leadership of VO. You don’t know how and why the Church exists, don’t climb there, just don’t climb. You can insult and nag me in response to turning blue, this is normal.
      2. 0
        18 March 2019 18: 03
        Do you mean all the priests (who all graduate from a university under the name of a theological seminary) or just that, about which you probably know something? Share info, Puncher.
    2. +3
      15 March 2019 15: 19
      He does not pull on the confessor of Roskosmos
      1. +1
        15 March 2019 18: 50
        Quote: Robert
        He does not pull on the confessor of Roskosmos

        And what confessor should Roskosmos have? and the ministry of agriculture? and at the Ministry of Internal Affairs? and the president? it's full .... what it is
    3. +1
      16 March 2019 10: 33
      Recently I read an article about this minister of worship. You will laugh, but the confessor of Roskosmos has the title of Honored Tester.
      P.S. It provides poor-quality communication services with higher forces - too often missiles fall
  15. +8
    15 March 2019 07: 46
    Good content article. Moderately critical, moderately reasonable.
    1. +3
      15 March 2019 08: 16
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Good content article. Moderately critical, moderately reasonable.

      Unfortunately, Roman used phrases from the article "Don't forgive them, Yura" in his article, but did not make a link to it. I will not accuse Roman of plagiarism, but somehow it hurts the eye because the construction of the article is similar.
      1. BAI
        +1
        15 March 2019 14: 39
        Yes, the articles are similar.
        https://lenta.ru/articles/2019/03/14/roscosmos/
  16. +21
    15 March 2019 07: 47
    "You need to look at the question shirsh" - as the hero of the Soviet comedy said. Putin and Russia who will finish off whom while Putin wins.
  17. 0
    15 March 2019 07: 47
    Regarding cash flow from NASA. Until it runs dry, it will contract, but not run dry.
    1. NASA will continue to buy seats in the Unions for the delivery of astronauts, just instead of six places there will be two, but still there will be.
    2. The Vulcan launch vehicle is still a distant future, knowing the capabilities of the participants in this project, we can confidently say that there are still exactly five years.
    3. Given clause 2, the ULA will continue to buy our taxiways, but again in smaller quantities. NASA does not abandon Atlas V, splitting launches between ULA and SpaceX, despite the fact that ULA launches are 30% more expensive.
    Those. for the next five years Roskosmos will receive a certain income in "convertible currency", just as usual, these funds will not reach ordinary Roscosmos employees.
    Conclusion: the problems in Roscosmos do not depend on the successes of world cosmonautics.
  18. +1
    15 March 2019 07: 57
    There is a modern procurement system, which is focused on purchasing not the highest quality, but the cheapest goods and services. There are successful new generation managers. There is (or is not it?) Modern science, which has even developed "new physical principles" of the operation of modern weapons. There are advanced industries and industries (or not?). There are no trifles - Russian quality goods in stores, which casts doubt on all the dashing reports of victories, and so - why not master space?
  19. +6
    15 March 2019 08: 19
    and Peje’s direct merit in this, of course, is not ... he has no time: it’s necessary to teach the Siberian Cranes to fly, or to drive them on a combine.
    1. +5
      15 March 2019 16: 08
      To organize the Olympics, then the Mundial, and there is no time.
  20. +2
    15 March 2019 08: 32
    The world, you know, has changed. And everyone wants to launch devices into orbit. It is clear that not everyone can afford it, but New Zealand was able to ...

    At the end of 2019, if everything goes as planned, a fierce surge of another information war on the network awaits us.
    Firefly Aerospace plans to launch its first Firefly Alpha light rocket (1 ton. Load per 200 km.) It would seem like an ordinary event amid the successes of the same mentioned (not direct) Rocket Lab company with the Electron rocket, but the owner of this company is Ukrainian Max Polyakov . Although the company is American, Ukrainians consider it theirs, because She has a branch in the city of Dnepr and some of the employees are citizens of Ukraine. Accordingly, we forecast a surge of joyful emotions on the one hand and fierce hatred and contempt on the other.
    PS: I think that the format of the rocket chosen by Firefly is quite successful, the dimension and characteristics between Falcon9 and Electron will obviously be in demand.
    1. +4
      15 March 2019 09: 49
      Firefly - made another potentially winning move, they make FAMILY! That is, in addition to Alpha (which flies this year), they still have Beta for 21-22. So they will be able to perform not only in the light class, but also in the welterweight (up to 4t at low). And then they can have a good market.
      1. +1
        15 March 2019 10: 20
        Quote: donavi49
        Firefly - made another potentially winning move, they make FAMILY! That is, in addition to Alpha (which flies this year), they still have Beta by 21-22

        Plans to fool a lot of mind do not need to have enough money for that. If Alpha shoots, then of course Beta will have a perspective. The rocket lab has a good head start. On the other hand, the volume of the cubesat market is still unclear ... maybe there will be enough work for everyone.
    2. 0
      15 March 2019 13: 22
      Quote: Puncher
      but Ukrainians consider it theirs, because She has a branch in the city of Dnepr and some of the employees are citizens of Ukraine.

      Max was engaged in brand promotion until the age of 15, and after that he decided to try new priorities in IT Co.
      The company was created on the basis of Firefly Space Systems, which in 2017 was bought and restarted by Ukrainian businessman and founder of Noosphere Ventures Maxim Polyakov. She is developing light transporters for delivering goods to Earth orbit.
      In Dnipro Firefly Aerospace has opened its R&D center - Fairfly Aerospace Ukraine. The local office will undertake research and experimental development in engineering. Also for the first time in history, the US government is ready to consider the possibility of cooperation in space exploration with a private company, whose R&D center will be located outside the United States. Already, Max Polyakov's Firefly Aerospace employs 150 people, the launch of a branch in Dnipro will significantly increase this number, which will create dozens of new jobs.
      The local team will work on the development of an electric jet engine, as well as on the creation of its own satellite.
      These are all private traders. Cosmos ceased to be only a national affair and business.
      As for the surge, it is still necessary to convey this to the masses. For many Ukrainians are not aware of this.
      1. 0
        15 March 2019 13: 32
        Quote: Antares
        For many Ukrainians are not aware of this.

        Do you think? I thought he was the local "star" there.
        PS: In Russia there are more opportunities to create a launch vehicle of this class, but unfortunately ...
        1. 0
          15 March 2019 22: 30
          Quote: Puncher
          Do you think? I thought he was the local "star" there.

          I’m sure, because the townsfolk only know what is popular or popular. It is popular, but not in Ukraine. But in the Dnieper, many definitely know about it. And in Zaporozhye (where it comes from) a little.
          In Odessa they did not hear about him.
          In fact, they remembered him once when his center was visited by Poroshenko and this was covered in the media.
          There are few such people. But he was not even promoted as a "Ukrainian Mask" - they just mentioned it.
          True, if you get from the center, then fame in the country will definitely gain.
  21. +10
    15 March 2019 08: 35
    Roman hold five !!! He summed up the "stormy" activities of Rogozin-sticking along with all his "elite" and clearly outlined four reasons for the collapse that had come close. Roscosmos is certainly a pity ... but until his rotten head is chopped off ... nothing will change. It's annoying and disgusting.
    1. +2
      15 March 2019 16: 12
      I still didn’t understand whose head I needed to chop? Rogozin? It will not help, since in his place either Mutko or Golikova will be appointed immediately, Putin has a lot of such managers in stock.
      1. +1
        16 March 2019 04: 03
        Mudko has already taxed in housing and communal services - idiotic tariffs in terms of give more money, such as for "reconstruction" with subsequent squeezing them out of the population, and the size of his face is no worse than Rogozinsky face. Golikova's statements about the delivery of labor force to the north to work on a rotational basis at enterprises ... with the elimination of the urban infrastructure of northern cities ... there is no need to voice who she is after that ... although she should be sent one way to Mars, along with Farion, it would be just wonderful wassat
        Well, the rotten head in this case, it is necessary to enlighten exactly the roskokosmos. It was the red-handed thing that was done, and he must keep the answer. To the question, someone will ask him (someone will put him, because he is a monument wassat ) - this will already be another HISTORY of conquering cosmic distances.
  22. 0
    15 March 2019 08: 44
    “And it did not start yesterday. The main blow to our space program was inflicted in 2014. Well, yes, Krymnash. Our Crimea, but the Western partners for some reason began to indulge in sanctions and gradually turn away. Plus we lost Yuzhmash.
    Digging deep ...
    “In general, everything Rogozin and his subordinates are doing today, all under the auspices of the Angara.”
    "Angara" is positioned as the main launch vehicle of the Ministry of Defense, so everything is logical.
    “But it was announced that it was urgent to abandon the Proton.” A "proton" assembled by crooked Voronezh hands is not needed. Especially it is not needed if the “Angara” does NOT suddenly fly. Then Rogozin will quickly find the guilty welder, the Angara will not fly anyway, but there will be nothing to duplicate or replace it. ”
    No one is going to decommission the Proton before putting into operation the Angara, for the future a partial understudy Soyuz-5.
    “So Rogozin’s favorite Angara cost us almost two billion dollars. And she flew for more than 25 years, only twice. ”
    Well, yes, Rogozin pushed it as a journalist and squeezed out money ... Dolgostroy must be finished, everything is right.
    “Honestly, there are huge doubts that the East will work to its fullest. Today it’s built only a quarter, and even, as experts say and write, with such defects that it would be better not to build it. ”
    What kind of people are these ...?
    “But not a word about the current leadership of Roskosmos. Not a word about my own fault. ”
    ... -And I feel such a personal dislike - I can’t even eat
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      1. +4
        15 March 2019 16: 20
        Are you proposing to approve Rogozin's work? Do you call constructive criticism "shitting on yourself"? Don't you see that the results of the work of the space industry cause concern among the people? Putin and the government are not called, which is probably why you are for Rogozin? The people are not blind.
  23. +10
    15 March 2019 08: 51
    Unfortunately, the Soviet legacy is not endless. and the sawmill’s appetites are growing ... .. it is assumed that Russia's integration into the global economy does not envisage Russia's participation in the space business, and from this point of view, the failures of the Russian space program are logical and planned, the result will be the liquidation of the space industry ..., payment for integration ....
    1. -6
      15 March 2019 13: 06
      You can’t please) Everyone whines, like here on the old rocket we fly the Union of the Queen and then do not like that the new Angara is being built. And $ 2 billion is a mere penny by world standards
      1. +3
        15 March 2019 13: 20
        It's not about the old rocket, and not that the new one is being built (this is just good), the timing and pace are alarming, long-term construction is one of the cuts in the former USSR ..., it all looks too condo.
  24. +18
    15 March 2019 09: 10
    Waiting ... And a couple of years ago, when I wrote that Rogoz was empty, they minus me just desperately.
    1. +7
      15 March 2019 10: 55
      Quote: Max Otto
      Waiting ... And a couple of years ago, when I wrote that Rogoz was empty, they minus me just desperately.

      Times go by, moods change, people realize. You plus for insight. And for those who are no longer minusting you today, there’s still a BIG plus for recognition and self-criticism. Agree that work on your mistakes is the most unpleasant and difficult for a person. And the one who could, deserves all praise, not condemnation. hi
  25. +15
    15 March 2019 09: 29
    You know, we have one figure ... Someone Rogozin. And his activity is not even in doubt. Fears for our space industry.

    You know, we have a different leader ... He is in the activity for another 6 years and for life. So his activities no longer cause concern, but despair for the whole country, and not just for the space industry. Why divert our attention from the visible root of evil to its small homies and roots ...
    1. +3
      15 March 2019 16: 34
      Because such a direct article cannot yet appear, you can still understand the moderator. But I think soon articles will begin to appear, striking not the eyebrow, but the very bull's eye, so many already understand from whom all this comes, who is responsible for the country.

      The ceremony of the assumption of Vladimir Putin as President of Russia
      May 7, 2000, the Grand Kremlin Palace

      "Vladimir Putin: Dear citizens of Russia, dear friends!
      Today I appeal to you, specifically to you, because you have entrusted me with the highest state office in the country. I understand that I have taken upon myself a huge responsibility, and I know that in Russia the head of state has always been and will be the person who is responsible for everything that happens in the country. "
  26. +9
    15 March 2019 09: 37
    The great sons of Kum, Brother, Swat ..., arranged for monetary positions, in their essence, are not capable of anything! So - "success" ahead is obvious ..... And plus Irresponsibility breeds death. The storekeeper, picker or cleaner is guilty and will be.
    1. +4
      15 March 2019 09: 52
      This is a tradition-- rewarding the uninvolved and punishing the innocent, the Russians do not abandon their ..., in the sense - this is our (worthy .......) son
  27. BAI
    +2
    15 March 2019 09: 40
    As one of the former leaders of Roskosmos said - "This is some kind of nonsense. There is state money and it was not stolen." Nothing changes.
  28. +8
    15 March 2019 10: 49
    But the facts indicate the following: the fall into the abyss of Russian cosmonautics did not begin suddenly and not yesterday. Yesterday (in general, in 2017), it became clear that the crisis was raging and the industry was oppressed to the ground.


    This is just a particularity and a reflection of what is happening with the whole country. We have the whole state rushing to a crisis and it started, really not yesterday. And it becomes more noticeable because the safety margin of all state systems is ending. And the well-marked decade of breakthroughs promised by Mr. Putin begins (here it will break through, then there), victories, which is not very noticeable. So the situation in Rosskosmos is developing in full accordance with the presidential guidelines. And what will be killed first: first the country, and then completely cosmos. industry or nevertheless first cosmos. industry, and after a while the country, it does not matter. It is important, as soon as possible, to replace the entire power system in the country.
    1. 0
      16 March 2019 16: 35
      It is important, as soon as possible, to replace the entire power system in the country.
      I am for! Grudinin in the Duma, so it’s time to unite to all who value our country and the future of the children of grandchildren. If we can do this, we will sweep away this mold from the authorities in the elections.
      These maximums are capable of, and even then with difficulty - to find out - a summer cottage is a movable or immovable property of a sucker of a summer resident not from rubles.
      What is Cosmos and the country's movement forward towards development?
  29. +4
    15 March 2019 11: 49
    And the head of Roskosmos and his colleagues are looking for those responsible for their permanent failures - each accident has a name, surname and position!
  30. -2
    15 March 2019 12: 31
    Plus we lost Yuzhmash.

    We would lose Yuzhmash in any case, regardless of Crimea
    Dragon, which delivers cargo to the ISS and (the main difference) takes them from there

    Does the author know that Progress also picks up cargo from the ISS?
    1. +5
      15 March 2019 13: 02
      Well obviously meant:
      Progress takes and drowns them in the ocean.
      The dragon takes them and after that you can work with them. The mass of everything is brought back. From the results of a scientific program, to failed equipment / extensive experiments that are analyzed already on the ground with all the material, and not just the minimum set, as before (which fit into the Union).
      1. +5
        15 March 2019 13: 09
        Also, for example, the Japanese - after looking at this, they decided to make their return device. But there, the highly specialized studies and samples ordered by JAXA will be returned on a capsule from Kounotori (the largest truck for the ISS today is 6 + tons of cargo per flight). But it’s very small 85x65cm for about 80kg of returned material. The first test was held at Kounotori-7 in September last year.
  31. +6
    15 March 2019 12: 39
    I fully agree with the author ... what is happening with the space industry today is a disaster misfortune ... the Queen and our other great designers touched really end soon .... and all these troubles are growing like a snowball .... honestly , it’s really scary what will happen in 5-10 years .. with the industry ... and Rogozin ... I will not say anything better ... and then again for a month they will be deprived of the opportunity to communicate on the site
  32. -1
    15 March 2019 12: 55
    Rogozin leads Roskosmos 10 months from 24.05.2018 He has not yet managed to do anything stupidly)
    Prior to that, he was chairman of the commission at the Vostochny spaceport.
    All current jambs are a matter of his former leaders and tops.
    I believe that his activities can be understood in 5 years.
    The industry needs to be optimized and cleaned of "carbon deposits" as we cleaned with Rosatom. There is a transition from a mess to a new reality.
    P.S. I don’t defend him, but I think that an adult should sensibly assess the period of adaptation of a leader to a new industry, which at the very minimum is 1-2 years. And hang all the dogs on Komsomol member Rogozin, a graduate of the international department of the journalism faculty of Moscow State University (MSU) named after MV Lomonosov, and the Faculty of Economics of the University of Marxism-Leninism at the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU is not right today.
    P.P.S. Well, the author's next tales about the "cheapness" of Musk's missiles, the flight of each of which costs more than $ 160 million (if we count together with R&D and development), this is not even funny. Considering that Musk is busy with PR and all kinds of other politics, and SpaceX and others are run by completely different people)))
    1. +2
      15 March 2019 13: 09
      Quote: IL-2
      P.P.S. Well, the author's next tales about the "cheapness" of Musk's missiles, the flight of each of which costs more than $ 160 million (if we count together with R&D and development), this is not even funny.


      His launch is about 80-100 million USD (the U.S. Air Force signed a contract with SpaceX for $ 83 million to launch the GPS 3 satellite, in March 2017 a contract to launch another GPS 3 satellite worth $ 96.5 million).
      At the same time, the restoration of the stage to re-flight - now about 50% of the cost of the first stage. and for up to six months.
      1. -1
        15 March 2019 13: 14
        there is a different carrier price: 2 missiles from 62 million dollars, 1 missile - 90-100 million dollars, 1 heavy missile - from 160 million dollars. At the same time, this is a net price for the manufacture and delivery, refueling, preparation, launch, maintenance. R&D and development of launch vehicles and other things are not taken into account in the price.
        1. +2
          15 March 2019 13: 37
          Quote: IL-2
          start-up, maintenance. R&D and development of launch vehicles and other things are not taken into account in the price.


          Are you just chatting or know the costing of SpaceX launch?

          There, the cost of each subsequent engine is different - and most likely upwards, since reusability is introduced, it costs money and the task is to increase launches on one equipment

          I’m not even trying to guess the cost, although I have some idea about the topic.

          For example, a 15-time reusable refueling pump that worked 15 times required repairs (with the replacement of a shaft, turbine, impellers, seals, bearings and subsequent tests) with fixed assets up to 25% of the initial cost + labor costs (installation, dismantling, etc.), at a price of 2-3 times more expensive than a one-time, it will be much more profitable to use 15 pcs of one-time.

          In general, it is so difficult to calculate the cost price that no one will undertake this, except for the accountant Mask - and you categorically assure that R&D is not included?
          Do you know exactly what amount of work is being carried out, their prices, labor costs for each start-up, in order to accurately calculate that R&D is not included in the cost? :)))
        2. +5
          15 March 2019 13: 37
          Quote: IL-2
          R&D and development of launch vehicles and other things are not taken into account in the price.

          Is it interesting to the customer of the service? Are you ordering freight from point A to point B interested in the cost of the service or the cost of the car?
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  34. +1
    15 March 2019 12: 56
    You read such articles and think .... it's clear who is to blame (I agree with the author of the article on many issues) and the fact that our space industry in crisis is already visible with the naked eye, but what to do? this is a good question. In my opinion, Mr. Rogozin is not the kind of person who can pull the industry out of its current state, he makes mistakes and, instead of fixing them, pushes the industry even deeper into the crisis (the situation with the Angara and questions about its efficiency and the costs of this project, the situation with construction Vostochny - and targeted spending of funds, etc.) but the situation in the world is changing, new participants come to the market who push us out of the market, and there has never been an effective answer (PS the situation with private traders in the market for satellite launches). And there is no glimpse ... if you look back, the government allocated quite a lot of funds for the industry, but they were either stolen or made dead-end projects - which were not implemented, and now with the economic crisis the situation will be even worse. And returning to the question of what to do? (IMHO of course) but the role of the head of Roscosmos needs a manager who can clearly set goals and effectively control the expenditure of budget funds, if the end date of (some) project is in 2025, then the project should be ready at that time, and at the slightest suspicion of corruption or non-targeted spending of funds to connect the FSB and imprison the perpetrators with confiscation of property in full + a set of measures is needed to bring the industry out of the crisis (strengthen control over the training of new employees in universities, create / recapture orders from competitors for launching satellites, these can be like new orders from the state and effective measures to return customers who went to private owners, to increase salary in the industry, to defend its budget with the government (so as not to cut) this is also not an unimportant factor), etc. and in general, we need some kind of grandiose project on a scale comparable to the Olympics in Sochi or the World Cup in football ... for example, creating a station entirely from Russian components like Mir, or really swing at something big and make a lunar station, of course now it sounds like fantasy (in fact, it is so) but some kind of large project is definitely needed by the industry, i.e. these are new jobs, the preservation of p / m for existing employees, new technologies, breakthroughs ... subject to strict control by the FSB in terms of spending money + with a different leadership at the helm, otherwise the industry will continue to bend.
    1. -8
      15 March 2019 13: 19
      Only Kiriyenko and Chemezov have such experience - only they have so far been able to raise 2 state corporations from the ruins
      1. +7
        15 March 2019 16: 46
        I totally disagree.
        The Dresden five-story building, where Putin and Chemezov lived. They were friends of families.
        Rostec is a unique enterprise, there was no other such monster in the world. This was not the case in the USSR. Given under the control of one person - Sergey Chemezov - there were 700 (!) Enterprises there.
        The Fairy Godmother was so kind that she even awarded Chemezov's wife a medal of the Order of Merit to the Fatherland, 2nd degree. Have you heard about the achievements of Rostec and Sergey's wife?
        Chemezov did not succeed. In addition to an apartment for 5 billion, God also knows how much money is on offshore accounts. This is absolutely Russian history. The wife of the head of the state corporation, became a businessman. It is not clear what she is doing, everything failed, but she and her husband earn many times more than, say, the head of Apple or Microsoft.
        A lot has already been written about Rosatom about the conditions that enslaving Russia for the construction of nuclear power plants abroad.
        1. 0
          13 May 2019 12: 03
          I worked at Rosatom and Rostec too, so you write a lie.
      2. +1
        16 March 2019 16: 27
        Blessed is he who believes ...
  35. +4
    15 March 2019 14: 35
    "And the last I think was the January phrase of our Prime Minister Medvedev, who ordered" stop chatting, where will we fly in 2030, talk less and do more. "If the prime minister says so, then things are worse than ever." And he also said: You have 500 yards for this year, and before that, there is no money, but you hold on, and before that, aliens are on earth and we have ships on which they can fly home. Conclusion-?
  36. +2
    15 March 2019 14: 38
    this is not the center but the future apartment of some manager from Ilyushin
  37. +1
    15 March 2019 15: 34
    I bet on Rogozin.
  38. +2
    15 March 2019 17: 31
    Under the leadership of Rogozin, we will soon build trampolines ourselves.
  39. +4
    15 March 2019 18: 48
    Yes, when he was just appointed to this post, I immediately said "We will no longer have space." It was so obvious that even discussing it now is insulting. But the problem is not in Rogozin and not in Putin, the problem is that a person who is able to "pull" the industry is 90% likely to leave to work in the United States, because there he will receive the same amount as here, but in dollars, and so all kinds of assistance in project implementation and self-improvement. Here - a swamp, bureaucracy and a penny salary, if you work for the result. To make money you have to steal, not work. You don't think Rogozin has a billion dollar salary, do you? Most likely the salary is a couple of hundred per month. And the rest - himself, my friend, with his own hands. And in the end, the project was also wrapped up, because they brought in more after another. Yes, and the head will put a rosy-cheeked plump 20-year-old offspring "who needs", who will have to prove that it is necessary to do this and that, and not vice versa. No one in the country, except for the inhabitants, is interested in success in space, and therefore everything is going the way it is. And Rogozin is just a symbol of this decay.
  40. -2
    15 March 2019 19: 05
    again the article has been OVERALL. Without our RD 180s, the entire US space program is zilch.
  41. +2
    15 March 2019 19: 16
    Rogozin has nothing to do with it ... We have such a hat on all fronts .. It's just that you can lie about vanguards, petrels and Poseidon as you like, but in the space sphere everything is there.
    We are no longer 300 million only Soviet talents, not counting the allies. 140 million of us and the best of them every year leave for the best share to the west ..
    So even if you put someone on Roskosmos, there will be the same slide down
    1. -4
      16 March 2019 12: 22
      Just about the vanguards, petrels and Poseidon, you can lie as you please

      And you see a great specialist in new technology, if so peremptorily judge?

      I wish you had left
  42. +5
    15 March 2019 19: 31
    Rogozin and cosmonautics: who wins?

    And here's the question:

    Putin and space: who is who?
  43. -3
    15 March 2019 21: 03
    The article is such a bold attack on the fan that one involuntarily asks the question: knowingly or stupidly? The author’s total incompetence in matters of management, continuity, the duration of production cycles and other, other, other ... Well, the crowd of lemmings, or trolls, echo the author, that Putin is to blame for increasing the cat population on the planet. Hand face!
    1. +3
      16 March 2019 16: 22
      Vovan! even the best lawyer will not help those who lead the country and ROSKOSMOS in particular.
      And who is in the troll, everyone understands, basically. So do not drive the blizzard at the author.
  44. 0
    15 March 2019 23: 16
    Quote: Tarkhan
    They could have been built in the southern Urals. If you need a meridian to the south, they could have built a sea platform on the Black Sea.

    the question is not where to the south, but where rockets and steps fall ... We need open spaces. You can’t stick a space center in the middle of Europe
  45. +4
    15 March 2019 23: 42
    for me, the one who appointed him to this position is to blame ... Specialists, not politicians - populists should deal with space.

    P.S. so much meat disappears on these cheeks laughing
  46. 0
    16 March 2019 09: 10
    what can you expect from a chela who finished journalism and managed to get a doctor of technical sciences
  47. +1
    16 March 2019 12: 09
    Bet 90 against 10 that Rogozin wins. And astronautics have ghostly chances. A new generation of Roscosmos executives will soon enter life. The budget will be reduced, and the set standards for the level and quality of life of managers are very, very high. Antagonism.
  48. +2
    16 March 2019 13: 01
    Do not tell me, and who is the Eccentric who appointed Rogozin, a man without a higher technical education, head of the Russian Space Agency?
    1. 0
      16 March 2019 14: 03
      maybe he's a good multiplier
  49. +1
    16 March 2019 13: 26
    Quote: stalki
    Sure, it flew well and flew well. And he who doesn’t write about everything that’s gone is not happy, otherwise they won’t read what interest they will write.

    Successful launches should be routine, not a holiday, and should not surprise the people hi
  50. +1
    16 March 2019 16: 17
    All this gang that is now in power in Russia is aimed at the collapse of the country. And space is only part of the hard work of killing my homeland.
    Those who, like me, remember Sputnik and Gagarin, all the more insulting for the country that we betrayed the idiots, and these hoaxes were plundered and almost finished off.
    And all this under the bravura patriotic slogans and howls on all TV channels.
  51. +1
    16 March 2019 19: 54
    There are no ultra-modern ships and orbital stations - it doesn’t matter, we’ll draw them. I myself saw on TV how Russian cosmonauts, as many as 5 of them, flew to the Moon in the 3rd local Union. Movie "Team B". The images of Russian cosmonauts are presented in an original and talented way. It turns out that to become an astronaut you need to drink as much as possible and grope women as often as possible.
  52. 0
    16 March 2019 21: 10
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Though Rogozin, even Osokin, even grass, there will be no sense. The system, however .... request

    Maybe it's time to choose meat names? recourse
    1. 0
      16 March 2019 21: 34
      Lenin-laziness, Stalin-steel, Putin-way - here we need to think about the next one
      1. 0
        18 March 2019 19: 27
        Mogilny in......! Then let there be Putin!
  53. +3
    16 March 2019 22: 23
    What about Rogozin? An ordinary official, of whom there are many. No worse and no better. Like the others, he rules by not knowing or understanding, trying to “put a good face on a bad game,” gradually ruining the industry. Here, even reviving Korolev will not help, because the control system is not aimed at creation, but at destruction.
  54. +1
    16 March 2019 22: 51
    Quote: Charik
    Lenin-laziness, Stalin-steel, Putin-way - here we need to think about the next one

    They wrote that the etymology of the surname Lenin comes from one of the daughters of a party comrade. The daughters' names were Lena and Olya, and Ulyanov's last name was Lenin, and his colleague's was Olin.
    I can’t judge how true the version is, but there is a possibility that Tolbukhin was Obukhov during wartime.
  55. +1
    17 March 2019 06: 27
    Good afternoon.
    I don’t feel sorry for “RK”, I feel bad for the state (((
    The people of the “Era of Korolev” were enthusiasts, they didn’t think about money, they thought about the country (through the “vigorous shield”, they raised the country to the moon / and not only). Their fruits/products/developments are used in the third millennium.
    The bourgeoisie did not immediately take off on space, because initially it was a “business” for them. But after 60 years, they are beginning to put space on a commercial basis (delivery “here and there”, “tourism”, etc.).
    And now we have an objective fall to Earth. If any enthusiasm remains, it clashes with the interests of TOP managers. Each manager has a couple of companies under his control, and everyone wants to eat. And if an “enthusiast” shows up at “RK” and says, “I know how to send 1 kg into space for $100,” then they will listen to him, but will do nothing.
    For what? Saw a yard or 100 lemons? Kaneshna, yard! Then we’ll also get insurance! After all, space is ours!
    The Chinese are planning colonization. Bourgeois, make money in space. And our saws are sharpened stupidly.
    Thank you.
  56. 0
    17 March 2019 14: 09
    Everyone knows how to criticize. It's just not all work. Wagging your tongue is not moving bags. If they installed Rogozin, then that’s how it should be. And the enemies of the fatherland are afraid and criticize. The more panickers dare, the better for them. Don't be alarmists. You can only get to the stars through thorns and nothing else. Only those who do nothing make no mistakes.
    1. +2
      19 March 2019 18: 16
      You are absolutely right. In space, Russia has nothing but failures. We are leaving on the Soviet heritage. Rogozin can only wag his tongue, this is not moving bags. Either Angara, then the Moon... then a skyscraper in the shape of a phallus... excuse me, rockets. Chatterbox.
  57. -2
    18 March 2019 17: 50
    What a good title for the article, an important topic is raised, a request for serious analysis, but here again it turns out that Skomorokhov, whom the patriots are not letting sleep with their rants. Author, I don’t want to read it! Go to Echo already or something. Or in km.ru, which also, after many years, fell into disgrace. Yes, bad, yes, Rogozin. But to listen to you, there could not have been any breakthrough systems that we see being put into service. But they exist. People work despite Rogozin. More constructivism, ideas of what to do in a situation, and less exaltation over others would help a lot.
  58. 0
    18 March 2019 19: 24
    Of course, Rogozin will win if he breaks all the legs of the liberals from the fifth column who put a spoke in the wheels!
  59. +3
    19 March 2019 18: 07
    The power in Russia has completely rotted. A striking example is Rogozin. Although, if you carefully examine any industry or state corporation, it will be the same as in Roscosmos. And what do you want ? Putin deals with promises, wishes and fantasies. No one is asked for the final result. You can whistle as much as you like. You won't be kicked out of work for lying. So they lie and fantasize. What will happen to them for this?
  60. VB
    +1
    21 March 2019 10: 44
    Rogozin - not a day in business, already a dollar millionaire. Apartment in Moscow 346 meters - the height of modesty, son vice president of the UAC, 33 years old. Thank you, Mr. President, whoever you touch becomes a millionaire, like Midas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66XP0U5J2RM
  61. -1
    21 March 2019 14: 29
    obviously a customized and deceitful article
  62. 0
    21 March 2019 21: 00
    On the other hand, the problems with Russian cosmonautics began long before Rogozin, and even with all his desire, Rogozin will not be able to quickly eliminate all this.

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