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This is not France: the Russians "swallow" pension reform

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According to previously published data from VTsIOM, to date, the rating of Russians’s confidence in the activities of Vladimir Putin has dropped to its lowest level (32%). The collapse of the level of trust in the Russian president occurred immediately after the start of a new pension reform, which was called “cannibal”, was announced in the country.


However, instead of mass protests against pension reform, one can observe in the society only a polite response of the people to raising the retirement age in the form of the appearance of the “Cannibal Day”, which is now “celebrated” on October 3, on the day this reform was adopted.

And what about power? The government makes the main stake in the fact that the people "swallow" the pension reform. The authorities are trying to hush up the very topic of pension reform: any discussion on it and even its praise were curtailed after the president signed the relevant laws.

Interesting is the position of a member of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, a member of the scientific expert council of the VTsIOM Iosif Diskin. He believes that mass protests in our country are impossible, since there is no action on the part of the authorities to severely undermine the living standards of Russians.

According to the Kremlin political analyst, such antisocial steps as pension reform, increasing VAT, gasoline prices, increasing tariffs for garbage collection cannot be attributed to actions that severely undermine the living standards of Russian citizens.

At the same time, Diskin puts Russia as an example of what is happening now in France, where "yellow vests" hold mass protests after the rise in gasoline prices. It turns out that in France such a measure is an action that undermines the standard of living of the people, but not in Russia?

What is it? The policy of double standards or just disregard for their people?

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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 15 March 2019 06: 00
    +13
    And not only will they swallow it, have already swallowed so much without any indignation. The ruling class will not particularly affect the pension reform, and the people will work out where to go.
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 15 March 2019 06: 07
      +17
      God forbid to see Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!
      Patience of the people is not unlimited. When it rumbles, little will not seem to anyone. There is no worthy leader yet, but this is a matter of time.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 15 March 2019 06: 11
        +1
        Why do we need leaders? We are not some kind of tribe, we need a patriot president who is not shackled and bound by the oligarchic elite.
        1. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 15 March 2019 06: 30
          +7
          Quote: Pessimist22
          we need a patriot president who is not shackled and bound by the oligarchic elite.

          But haven't you chosen this? And we will not choose the same in 2024?
          But leaders are not chosen, they are put forward due to leadership qualities, and not proximity to the tops.
          1. Pessimist22
            Pessimist22 15 March 2019 06: 32
            0
            But unfortunately everything in this world is changing, everything is bought and sold.
            1. Tatar 174
              Tatar 174 15 March 2019 20: 57
              +2
              Quote: Pessimist22
              Why do we need leaders? We are not some kind of tribe, we need a patriot president who is not shackled and bound by the oligarchic elite.

              Quote: Pessimist22
              But unfortunately everything in this world is changing, everything is bought and sold.

              Anto how, your mother,
              Sorry to understand?
              We are not storage what,
              To raise the troubles!
              Who wants to Kolyma -
              Come out one at a time!
              There you will come in a moment
              Enlightenment in the mind!
              ...
              What are you boiling up, men, the question is resolved and nothing can be changed. This is all done for our good. It was done. Will be done .... recourse crying
          2. aglet
            aglet April 6 2019 10: 48
            0
            Quote: Mikhail M

            But haven't you chosen this? And we will not choose the same in 2024?
            But leaders are not chosen, they are put forward thanks to leadership qualities, and not proximity to the top

            "there are few real violent, so there are no leaders." and the government has clamped down on social freedoms by laws so that any completely harmless action and even a word entails a very real fine and even a term. against this background, the people will endure whatever the authorities want
        2. lukewarm
          lukewarm 15 March 2019 09: 03
          +2
          Quote: Pessimist22
          We are not some kind of tribe, we need a patriot president who is not shackled and bound by the oligarchic elite.

          Do you even have such ones anywhere in the world? It's like a mouse against cheese, sorry. Under capitalism, only this way: take as much democracy as you can buy. Therefore, others will not appear there.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 March 2019 11: 12
            0
            Quote: unwillingly
            Do you even have such ones anywhere in the world?

            Was Gaddafi.
            1. KPblC
              KPblC 16 March 2019 14: 18
              +1
              That's exactly what was
        3. DeusExMachina
          DeusExMachina 15 March 2019 09: 27
          +2
          Quote: Pessimist22
          Why do we need leaders? We are not some kind of tribe, we need a patriot president who is not shackled and bound by the oligarchic elite.

          It won’t be like that. Why? Yes, because the state is an instrument in the hands of the ruling class.
        4. YarSer88
          YarSer88 15 March 2019 20: 23
          0
          How can the president not be connected with the oligarchic elite? Just, how do you imagine the mechanics of this?
      2. Dmitry Kuzin
        Dmitry Kuzin 15 March 2019 06: 15
        -5
        during the revolution (it always comes from Anglo-Saxons) millions of generally educated people-doctors, teachers, engineers (officers) die; scum defeats, those who die at the bottom die of starvation by millions .... the country is concession to the owners of the revolutionaries ... ..
        1. lukewarm
          lukewarm 15 March 2019 09: 07
          +5
          Quote: Dmitry Kuzin
          the country is concession to the owners of the revolutionaries

          This is directly about the RF sample of the 90s ... Yes, and now much remains, originally from there. The truth is that in 1917 (and further), the concession did not work out - the interventionists were thrown out.
      3. 210ox
        210ox 15 March 2019 06: 50
        +4
        Are you sure there will be a riot? This requires an unsuccessful war that affects every family, impoverishment, hunger. Yes, while swallowing.
        1. stariy
          stariy 15 March 2019 09: 23
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          This requires an unsuccessful war,

          Unsuccessful elections now they will block any unsuccessful war with interest, look (Ukraine, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan ...)
      4. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 15 March 2019 07: 11
        +3
        Quote: Mikhail M
        God forbid to see Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!
        Patience of the people is not unlimited. When it rumbles, little will not seem to anyone.

        And here the logic of the hyena Tabaka turns on: "And we will go to the north and there we will wait."
        Now everyone is for himself. Who didn’t hide (did not prepare an alternate aerodrome), it’s not my fault. wink Therefore, especially these riots do not bother anyone except the rioters themselves. request
      5. Professor
        Professor 15 March 2019 07: 43
        +3
        Quote: Mikhail M

        God forbid to see Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!

        You would at least put in quotation marks, "your" thought.
        From the novel (ch. 13) “The Captain's Daughter” (1836) by A. S. Pushkin (1799 — 1837).
        In original: God forbid to see Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!


        IMHO. Withdrawal of pensions swallowed as the deterioration of living standards occurs gradually. It seems the news is bad, but it’s not expensive yet. We live as we lived.
        1. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 15 March 2019 08: 54
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          You would at least put in quotation marks, "your" thought.

          "Professor", I suppose you are not the only one who knows where the quote comes from. For "my" thought, this expression can only be taken by a being who has not even passed the exam. Among the site visitors, such do not stay for long.
        2. lukewarm
          lukewarm 15 March 2019 09: 09
          0
          Quote: Professor
          The withdrawal of pensions was swallowed as the deterioration of living standards occurs gradually.

          Yes, it's like boiling a frog alive. In principle, after the "shock" therapy according to Gaidar, this is the only thing they do.
        3. polar fox
          polar fox 15 March 2019 09: 11
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          IMHO. Withdrawal of pensions swallowed as the deterioration of living standards occurs gradually. It seems the news is bad, but it’s not expensive yet. We live as we lived.

          this is from advice on how to cook a frog: gradually heat up the water. which is observed.
        4. Mcar
          Mcar 15 March 2019 09: 18
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          The withdrawal of pensions was swallowed as the deterioration of living standards occurs gradually. It seems the news is bad, but has not yet hit the pocket. We live as we lived.

          According to experts, due to pension repression, this year alone the number of unemployed will increase by 1,2 million people.

          And that means
          - the price of labor will decrease even more
          - even more will become poor
          - social tension will aggravate even more

          And these are just flowers.
      6. YarSer88
        YarSer88 15 March 2019 20: 20
        +1
        There is no rebellion against; rebellion is for. Until the idea that can lead to it is not voiced, it will be as it is. Because there is, albeit bad, but order, and in the event of a riot there will be such a good, spiritual chaos. The oligarchs will once again divide the property of Russia at the cost of several thousand lives and again continue the course of squeezing money out of the country. All sane people understand this, therefore there will be no riot, the maximum will be very hot, but they will have control over them.
      7. kuz363
        kuz363 16 March 2019 20: 30
        0
        Nobody will rebel. Officials, deputies, the military, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the Russian Guard ... and their family members will remain on the sidelines. And this is a considerable amount. Plus young people who are far from retirement. Plus, current retirees will not go either. And the rest, for the most part, will not go out of fear of losing their jobs and getting into trouble.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 15 March 2019 06: 11
      +10
      The Federation Council yesterday in the third reading voted the law banning criticizing the authorities on the Internet. For the first time, the headquarters is up to 20 thousand re, for the second up to 300 thousand or up to 15 days of administrative arrest. So, pension reform is the fairest in the world. Long live our power - our breadwinner, glory to her brilliant leaders! belay
      Oddly enough, only Narusova spoke out against it, but her microphone was turned off.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 15 March 2019 06: 14
        +5
        Well, what, power from God is the same, now it is widely promoted in a secular country smile
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 15 March 2019 06: 19
          +10
          This is not France: the Russians "swallow" pension reform
          we don’t want as in Ukraine! fellow
        2. Dmitry Kuzin
          Dmitry Kuzin 15 March 2019 06: 23
          -13
          type, and the USSR with his faith in communism, such as secular was- AHA!
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 15 March 2019 06: 22
        +12
        I propose not to fall under the law banning criticism of the authorities from criticizing the trump, he is to blame for everything.
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 15 March 2019 06: 31
          +4
          From a Soviet joke. In a polemic with Brezhnev, an American tells him that we have freedom of speech and everyone can criticize even the president. We also have freedom of speech, the secretary general answers, and everyone can criticize your president too.
        2. Puss in Boots
          Puss in Boots 15 March 2019 08: 53
          0
          Of course, I am not the biggest fan of our powerful, but no one forbade criticism of these! Insults, yes, but criticism please. hi
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 15 March 2019 09: 50
            +2
            Insults, yes, but please criticism
            they may be offended by criticism.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 17 March 2019 12: 23
              0
              Quote: Gardamir
              Insults, yes, but please criticism
              they may be offended by criticism.

              You can prove suffering, illness, damage
          2. helmi8
            helmi8 15 March 2019 20: 21
            0
            Quote: Cat in Boots
            Insults, yes, but criticism please.

            They perceive criticism as an insult ...
        3. stariy
          stariy 15 March 2019 09: 34
          +2
          Quote: Clever man
          I propose not to fall under the law banning criticism of the government from criticizing the trump,

          And I propose to criticize people like (The unreasonable people take themselves worthy people (elite) and then they themselves suffer.)
        4. creak
          creak 15 March 2019 15: 53
          0
          Quote: Clever man
          I propose not to fall under the law banning criticism of the authorities from criticizing the trump, he is to blame for everything.

          The correct proposal, because it is well known that:
          If suddenly Proton fell
          Washington is guilty .... angry
      3. Russia
        Russia 15 March 2019 07: 03
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Long live our power - our breadwinner, glory to her brilliant leaders!

        If they feel sarcasm, they also pile on. smile
      4. sgapich
        sgapich 15 March 2019 07: 20
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Oddly enough, only Narusova spoke out against it, but her microphone was turned off.

        Just not strange. For daughter worries.
  2. Dmitry Kuzin
    Dmitry Kuzin 15 March 2019 06: 12
    -8
    I sell empty barrels and pans, expensive, pickup ....
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 15 March 2019 09: 12
      0
      What about respirators? Shovels from shovels? Construction helmets and tires?
  3. tasha
    tasha 15 March 2019 06: 14
    -13
    The authorities are trying to hush up the very topic of pension reform: any discussion on it and even its praise were curtailed after the president signed the relevant laws.
    I think it’s not a matter of silence. The "kitchen protest" was simply replaced by the understanding that it is impossible without reform. It is a pity, of course, that everything was limited only to a change in the retirement age.
    1. tatra
      tatra 15 March 2019 06: 38
      +4
      Something all the "reforms" of the enemies of the communists, starting with Perestroika-Katastroika and "shock therapy" for 30 years, only to the detriment of Russia and the Russian people and to enrich the enemies of the communists.
      1. tasha
        tasha 15 March 2019 06: 40
        -4
        Your comment has been read, but I will not answer you. Buzz further ...
        1. tatra
          tatra 15 March 2019 06: 46
          +1
          And because you, enemies of the communists, cannot refute anything from what I am writing. Therefore, after the capture of the USSR / Russia by you, all your propaganda, ideology, "history" is AGAINST others, and about others, but you really do not like to discuss yourself, just whine "and we have nothing to do with it, and we have nothing to do with it, and we have nothing to do with it everywhere, it's all the others to blame, "that you understand perfectly well what you all represent, and what you have done with your country and people.
          1. Russia
            Russia 15 March 2019 07: 10
            +2
            Quote: tatra
            enemies of the communists

            Quote: tatra
            just whine

            Eco you wound up in the morning. belay
    2. Gerklim
      Gerklim 15 March 2019 06: 47
      +2
      It is a pity, of course, that everything was limited only to a change in the retirement age.
      to raise her age, she was taken so that people simply did not live up to retirement, at least simple hard workers.
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 15 March 2019 09: 53
      +2
      Without reform, it’s impossible.
      Reforms have been going on without interruption since 1985. Would you survive a renovation in an apartment of this length?
      1. tasha
        tasha 15 March 2019 09: 58
        -2
        Reforms have been going on without interruption since the 1985 of the year.
        Our ancestors in you for some reason got off the palm tree .. Although sometimes it seems - they fell and hit their head with smile What is your comment - so is my ...
        And stability is not for you? So what the hell do you need? fellow
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 15 March 2019 10: 03
          +1
          And stability is not for you?
          Stability and endless reform are two different things. Stability was in the 70s, but it was called stagnation.
          1. tasha
            tasha 15 March 2019 10: 19
            -2
            The tank factory stably produces a number of vehicles a year. It is impossible to stop production. Because the plan, because coal, ore, steel, etc. .. All these tanks rust at storage bases or turn into debris in different parts of the world .. Stability? Not. Stagnation...
  4. Cowbra
    Cowbra 15 March 2019 06: 21
    +1
    The French just swallowed the increase in gas prices, and the strikes on the yellow vests were formally triggered in October by the reprint in the newspaper MAY of an unknown user in his journal about how saddened he was by raising gas prices. Well, for half a year the newspaper was not in the courses about fuel prices, like the whole of France.
    So the title is already epic
  5. 3vs
    3vs 15 March 2019 06: 33
    +2
    And what do you want if the scoundrels are in power!
    What, the same communists brought to the end the referendum on raising the retirement age ?!
    All quickly blown away ...
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 15 March 2019 08: 40
      -1
      No.
      The same communists successfully brought to destruction the work of several generations of ordinary people in the form of the USSR.
  6. bald
    bald 15 March 2019 06: 36
    +3
    --Politics of double standards or just a disregard for your people? "- This is both, and it will not end well. And all this will begin with an increase in crime - but what to do then? If this is specifically pushed.
  7. Gerklim
    Gerklim 15 March 2019 06: 43
    +4
    What is it? The policy of double standards or just disregard for their people?
    all together and all at once.
  8. for
    for 15 March 2019 06: 52
    +4
    Another pearl from the deputies - Insulin is not needed, we must lose weight!

    https://news.rambler.ru/politics/41868573-rossiyanam-diabetikam-otkazali-v-lekarstvah-i-dali-sovet/
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 17 March 2019 12: 37
      0
      I can’t look at it right now, but were there then apologies and words about the torn out context
      Quote: for
      Another pearl from the deputies - Insulin is not needed, we must lose weight!
      https://news.rambler.ru/politics/41868573-rossiyanam-diabetikam-otkazali-v-lekarstvah-i-dali-sovet/

      I somehow read about some medical restrictions in Ukraine, but I forgot that.
  9. for
    for 15 March 2019 07: 04
    +1
    The authorities have long been using the “new” weapon FILIN against the people. ”All the symptoms are evident.
  10. Altona
    Altona 15 March 2019 07: 15
    +4
    The Russians will not swallow the pension reform; a dull discontent still takes place. It's just that some people do not know how to protest, but there is no point in protesting alone. The pension was the last passive income a person could count on. And now everyone, pipes, those in power need money themselves. On March 17, there will be a joint rally in Moscow, there will be leftists, centrists, national patriots. They want to protest against the comprador policy and for the revival of industry in Russia, as well as for a reasonable social policy towards people and the Russian people in particular. It is clear that here on the VO there are those who like "not to rock the boat" (usually retired military men who have a pension in the form of passive income, but little knowledge of the world), they do not think about the rest who will retire much later. Therefore, keep in mind, gentlemen, the bourgeoisie, that there are people who are not indifferent, they do not want Maidans or "bloody revaluations", as some here think, but they also do not want "jerks" of cash from their own pockets.
    PS For some reason, the author of the article does not write about protests, but they exist in industrial cities and towns where enterprises are closed or "optimization" is carried out, that is, part of the team is fired, and the work is blamed on the rest.
    1. tasha
      tasha 15 March 2019 07: 30
      -5
      Have you tried asking yourself the question, how much money does our country spend on pensions a year? Sit with a calculator at your leisure .. And where does this money come from. I think you will understand a lot. They also do not want "jerks" of cash from their own pockets. " - that's what it is ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 15 March 2019 07: 59
        +4
        Quote: tasha
        Have you tried asking yourself the question, how much money does our country spend on pensions a year? Sit with a calculator at your leisure .. And where does this money come from. I think you will understand a lot. They also do not want "jerks" of cash from their own pockets. " - that's what it is ...

        -------------------------------
        Do you count together with Golikova? We spend little on pensions, compared to what we forgive the rest of the world. And it's not about pensions, but about the country's development in general. And about "counting". Do you think that I need to deduct contributions to the Pension Fund, but nothing should be expected from the Pension Fund? My money is more needed up there, isn't it?
        1. tasha
          tasha 15 March 2019 08: 26
          -9
          After all, is my money needed up there?
          You still try to count, think .... A useful lesson, by the way.
          First, about pensions. In 1991, a disaster struck. And millions of Soviet pensioners have been inherited by us. What was to be done with them? Give it up? And over the 27 years of the new Russia, millions more have been added to them. And most of the protesters against the so-called. pension reforms cannot go beyond the selfish “mine, I have saved up, I’m supposed to rip out of my throat” and they cannot understand that the state pension is not savings in the bank, on the interest from which you can live, spitting on everyone and everything ...
          "Generally about the development of the country" ... You are too lazy to count simple numbers, but to the same place - "Divide everything" ... "In general" it is easy to argue, but how it comes down to it is very, very difficult.
          1. Altona
            Altona 15 March 2019 08: 35
            +3
            Quote: tasha
            You still try to count, think ...

            -----------------------
            Tasha, I am an engineer by training and consider my profession. In my comments I express my thought in detail and concisely. Or do you think that only you all know? Then let's take the pension from the cops with the cops, they do not produce anything, they only consume, based on economic logic, and must defend the country without money, but the patriots. Rather, it will be taken away soon, they will give out severance pay at the age of 45-50 and the pension will be at 65. So it will probably be fair and the Government for which you wholeheartedly root will be easier. Or what do you suggest? Why Sechin and Miller do not tear the throat for the country? Any Deripaska? Of course, they argue that while retiring it is easy, like you, to blame others for selfishness. As if I'm asking someone else. Strange concepts you have, however.
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 15 March 2019 09: 01
            +11
            Quote: tasha
            In 1991 there was a disaster. And millions of Soviet pensioners left us a legacy. What was to be done with them? Give up?
            Who do you want ?! Apart from pensioners, many more factories and factories from the USSR were left in the inheritance, infrastructure and so on and so forth, which even after 30 years still could not plunder,
            1. tasha
              tasha 15 March 2019 09: 29
              -3
              Who do you want ?!
              We, the citizens of Russia ..
              An old song about inheritance. I can't understand your idea, but I'll joke: "Here's to you, Mary Ivanna, a shell from a tank instead of a pension for May ..."
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 17 March 2019 12: 56
              0
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Quote: tasha
              In 1991 there was a disaster. And millions of Soviet pensioners left us a legacy. What was to be done with them? Give up?
              Who do you want ?! Apart from pensioners, many more factories and factories from the USSR were left in the inheritance, infrastructure and so on and so forth, which even after 30 years still could not plunder,

              The pensioners inherited from the USSR included pensioners of that generation, which had endured all the hardships and defeated fascism !!
          3. lukewarm
            lukewarm 15 March 2019 09: 18
            +8
            Quote: tasha
            In 1991 there was a disaster. And millions of Soviet pensioners left us a legacy.

            True, it turned out that pensioners inherited US, and all the nishtyaks of the former SSR - IM. Here is this nuance how to explain?
            1. tasha
              tasha 15 March 2019 09: 33
              +1
              Here is this nuance how to explain?
              I will repeat a bit of my comment on privatization.
              "One of the workers of the regional committee traveled to district committees and enterprises, met with the" red directors "and told what was the point and what to do to get ownership of these enterprises ... Our family's vouchers disappeared safely in one of the many bankrupt investment funds .. "
              1. lukewarm
                lukewarm 15 March 2019 10: 02
                +3
                I agree. I also led that after the Soviet Socialist Republic there was far from a vacuum and millions of Soviet pensioners went to the Russian Federation not just like that, but along with the assets they created.
                1. tasha
                  tasha 15 March 2019 10: 14
                  -2
                  along with the assets they created.
                  As smart people (and many sources) say, 70 percent of the Soviet economy was somehow related to the production of weapons. An interesting example. In Krasnoyarsk there was a TV factory. Of course, televisions were its by-products, the quality was so-so, to put it mildly, and they were incredibly outdated. After the collapse of the USSR, military orders ran out, Chinese electronics flowed a lot cheaper. The plant has closed.
          4. Gardamir
            Gardamir 15 March 2019 10: 00
            0
            And millions of Soviet pensioners left us a legacy.
            fool
            1. tasha
              tasha 15 March 2019 10: 07
              -3
              Quote: Gardamir
              And millions of Soviet pensioners left us a legacy.
              request what
          5. Mcar
            Mcar 15 March 2019 10: 49
            +2
            The worst thing is that you don’t even understand how cynical your comment is. Even worse, that part of society has already been brought up so that they share your opinion.

            Quote: tasha
            First about pensions. In 1991 there was a disaster. And millions of Soviet pensioners left us a legacy. What was to be done with them?

            How that - to put on mincemeat! This is how many trains of pies with liver would have been possible ?! Until now, they would crack for both cheeks. Belyashi from parents, go, tastier, huh?

            So, the country that these people rebuilt - leave us, and these people themselves - to the scrap?

            Quote: tasha
            And over the 27 years of the new Russia, millions more have been added to them ..

            ADD TO THEM? Do you seriously think that the pensioners of 1991 are still alive? Do not you know that even today, the average age of men is 64 years old?

            Quote: tasha
            And most of the protesters against the so-called. pension reforms cannot go beyond the selfish "mine, I have saved up, it’s supposed, I’ll rip out of my throat" and they cannot understand that the state pension is not savings in the bank, on the interest from which you can live, spitting on everyone and everything ...

            Get fucked up! It means that a person’s life has been calculated almost a quarter of his earnings for retirement, and when he reaches retirement age, he can’t even ask, “where is the money, Zin”?

            Quote: tasha
            You are too lazy to count simple numbers, and in the same place - "Divide everything"

            Do you like to count? Please.

            For example, take not even officially declared average salary, but a more real one. One that many people don’t even dream of in the outback is $ 400 (calculations in dollars since the numbers are longer in rubles, and inflation).

            So, on average, a person receives 400 bucks a month, and this is already a net salary, from which all tax deductions were taken, including 22% in the FIU. Those. deductions for future retirement - roughly and for the convenience of calculating $ 100.

            If a person began to work at age 20, and retired at age 60, then he would have to have a pension on his account: 100x12x40 = 48. 000 thousand dollars is already not bad. But that is far from all.

            If the money is somewhere, then they use it. And for the use you need to pay. Say a modest 5% per annum. Although, if on garlic, on deposits where the money goes, but not removed for a long period, the percentage should be higher. But let's not be stingy - 5%.

            So, 5% per annum, for 40 years, they will give us another 192 (if I made a mistake in the calculations, amendments are welcome - the truth is in our interests). Those. a total of 000 + 48000 = 192000 thousand dollars.

            Oil painting: a person with a salary even below the average - $ 400, for 40 years of work experience, should have savings of the order of a quarter million - $ 240. And the same 000% per annum is already $ 5. That is one thousand bucks a month should be a pension. Despite the fact that the basis of 12 bucks remains the whole way.

            OK, huh? The salary was $ 400 all his life, and the pension, if for garlic, should be $ 1000. And after death, all 240 thousand should be inherited. This is if EVERYTHING TO DO HONESTLY AND DO NOT cheat.
            Quote: tasha
            You still try to count, think .... A useful lesson, by the way.
            1. tasha
              tasha 15 March 2019 11: 03
              -1
              The worst thing is that you don’t even understand how cynical your comment is. Even worse, that part of society has already been brought up so that they share your opinion.
              I don’t understand anything ... You read my comment, but the exact opposite came to your head. What is happening? Mix in food or in water?
              Get fucked up! So, a person’s life is calculated almost a quarter
              They are not calculating from you, but your employer transfers money to the Pension Fund.
              ADD TO THEM? Do you seriously think that 1991 pensioners are still alive?
              Some people die. Other people have retired at 1992 and 1993 and are still retiring.

              Please tell me, from what means does a person who retired in 2000 receive this same pension?

              And most of the protesters against the so-called. pension reforms cannot go beyond the selfish "mine, I have saved up, it’s supposed, I’ll rip out of my throat" and they cannot understand that the state pension is not savings in the bank, on the interest from which you can live, spitting on everyone and everything ...
              This is about you ...
              1. Mcar
                Mcar 15 March 2019 11: 09
                +1
                Quote: tasha
                They are not calculating from you, but your employer transfers money to the Pension Fund.

                Also say that from your pocket. Benefactor, yeah.

                Quote: tasha
                Please tell me, from what means does a person who retired in 2000 receive this same pension?

                The calculations are higher. You love to take it, count it yourself, double-check my calculations.
                1. tasha
                  tasha 15 March 2019 11: 21
                  -1
                  The calculations are higher. You love to take it, count it yourself, double-check my calculations.
                  I spoke with you earlier, but today you just hit me .. Shocked.
                  Here is a question for you. The rural teacher retired after years of service in 1994. From what dollars, from what percent will her pension be charged on these dollars? And from what money are these 25 years paid?

                  Oh you garlic bucks ...
                  1. Mcar
                    Mcar 15 March 2019 11: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: tasha
                    I spoke with you earlier, but today you just hit me .. Shocked.

                    But what?

                    Or didn’t you just talk about pensioners as parasites? Do I endlessly copy your words here?

                    Quote: tasha
                    Here is a question for you. The rural teacher retired after years of service in 1994. From what dollars, from what percent will her pension be charged on these dollars? And from what money are these 25 years paid?

                    Of those.

                    Of those that were artificially created inflation looted from the savings of the USSR Sberbank, I remember a tram ticket for 15, which is in par value of almost three Soviet one-room cooperatives.
                    Of those that were plundered by privatization, when some privatized their apartment, which did not change their life, while others privatized nickel, aluminum, oil refineries and other plants.
                    Of those that flow annually to offshore.
                    1. tasha
                      tasha 15 March 2019 11: 47
                      0
                      Or didn’t you just talk about pensioners as parasites? Do I endlessly copy your words here?
                      Come on, copy endlessly. Only I was convinced that you will understand my words as you want.
                      Of those.
                      From here and below in your comment - the chatter is empty. I do not want to continue .. That's all.
              2. A good one
                A good one 15 March 2019 12: 55
                -1
                Quote: tasha
                They are not calculating from you, but your employer transfers money to the Pension Fund.

                Well wiped the nose of this bookkeeper laughing He doesn’t know anything elementary, it seems like this friend-pie from the category of laundresses, who can rule the state. hi drinks
      2. betta
        betta 15 March 2019 08: 25
        +3
        How much will you spend on unemployment benefits? How many young people will not be able to find work? And if they start to protest? And how much income will families lose who are helped by retired parents (not only in money, but in their free time)?
        1. tasha
          tasha 15 March 2019 08: 33
          -2
          A ...? A ...?
          What are you talking about? I don’t see a protest movement demanding jobs with decent wages, with the opportunity to save for a non-state pension and the ability to manage my savings, or at least watch how this money works for the country ... Why? Mikhail Prokhorov once said - "the country of social parasites". Is it possible that he is right?
          1. betta
            betta 15 March 2019 09: 01
            +1
            This is about living conditions. A protest mood was lost in Soviet times. Everyone is used to the fact that the state cares and owes to the citizen. Hence the passivity. Forgot how to organize strikes. Prokhorov is partly right.
          2. Altona
            Altona 15 March 2019 09: 09
            +2
            Quote: tasha
            Why are you doing this? Something I do not observe the protest movement demanding jobs with decent salaries, with the possibility of saving for a non-state pension and the ability to manage their savings or at least watch how this money works for the country ...

            --------------------------------
            There is a protest movement, and to watch it, you just need to go to Youtube. If you are not observing, it does not mean that you are not. About "saving for a non-state pension." If tomorrow the state collapses the ruble several times, then what? Or are you contradicting yourself? They wrote about the hungry 90s, what then they endured like. Now you are writing exactly the opposite. Taskha, turn on the logic at least. Not your personal conceit, but logic. Although you were hardly taught anything if you repeat stupid theses. As for the "inherited Soviet pensioners", this is generally a masterpiece. They left us like ballast, feed everyone here. You are also a fascist along the way. Although for the local "patriots" it is the norm to be a social fascist.
            1. tasha
              tasha 15 March 2019 09: 13
              -6
              Not your personal conceit, but logic ..
              My logic makes me doubt that you are an engineer. Where is your imagination, breadth of thought and creative search? Yeah..
              1. Altona
                Altona 15 March 2019 09: 14
                0
                Quote: tasha
                My logic makes me doubt that you are an engineer. Where is your imagination, breadth of thought and creative search? Yeah..

                --------------------
                My logic is not looking for ways in social fascism like yours. And by education I am a mechanical engineer, I wrote repeatedly. Your logic is typical. Let there be social genocide, and then welcome to a nuclear war with the whole world, as your favorite TV offers.
                1. tasha
                  tasha 15 March 2019 09: 22
                  -3
                  And by education I’m a mechanical engineer, I wrote repeatedly
                  Most likely only in the diploma. But not in education, upbringing and way of thinking. You are already the third comment you write amazing nonsense about me and every time you get past. And to be honest, I’m sitting in a stupor and don’t even know what to answer. You write and write everything without even bothering to understand ...
          3. jmndslthr.
            jmndslthr. 15 March 2019 09: 22
            +1
            How do you imagine a meeting demanding jobs? in addition to accessing the panel, you won’t be able to offer anything outright for all the participants - if you don’t have a plan, production, infrastructure, if the nuts and gears of that plant are stupid, there’s nowhere to put any more and nothing to melt from - all were optimized by entire industries.
  11. edeligor
    edeligor 15 March 2019 07: 23
    +6
    We are not France ?! And what, someone wants to explode? So as at 17, Russian freeman? No, dear, this is not about us. If you really get it, then ... don't blame me! Do you hear Mr. Putin and the clique? Everyone has already read statements about macaroshkas, pensions of "parasites", alimony from children to "pre-retirement" and insulin for the "overweight" population !!! YOU have nowhere to run, well, if only smear your forehead with green stuff and make a 9 mm lobotomy yourself. Non-brothers have lustration for the communists, we will have for edros - do not go to grandma !!!
  12. Mrrr meow
    Mrrr meow 15 March 2019 07: 25
    -4
    In Russia, teryli for life. Officials with their leader settled comfortably on their nape, only a mournful moo, and even that wasn’t from everyone - hear the godfather they promised to give a whole thousand.
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 15 March 2019 07: 45
      0
      Quote: Moore Meow
      In Russia, teryli for life.

      I would have bitten your tongue in your place - all of a sudden I have to answer. And the officials that we have, that in France, that in the states, the place is essen- tial with the leader EXACTLY on the scruff of the neck. Faith dies last. Our leadership has a chance to prove that everything is not in vain. Small but there.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 15 March 2019 07: 58
    +4
    It is not paradoxical, but for many people WORKING, in the country, there is still such a thing as NECESSARY!
    The truth is greatly undermined by the realization that it is completely unclear, blurry, determining who needs it!
    When a definition is approved, an understanding of what sho we DO NOT NEED, then changes in actions will come ....
    In the meantime, the fat belts are getting richer, and the people are groaning, swearing, power is burning, but it works, because it IS NECESSARY!
  14. Simferopol
    Simferopol 15 March 2019 08: 11
    0
    At the same time, Diskin sets an example of Russia what is happening now in France, where the "yellow vests" are organizing mass protests

    LJ is a project of the Kremlin

    As for the pension, it looks like excessive economic precaution, 99% it is not necessary
  15. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 15 March 2019 09: 26
    -1
    But the result of the "quietly swallowed" discontent of the people may be the arrival (with the help of the same states), of some new Poroshenko, only Russian, and on this wave he will inflame, so to speak, the world Russian conflagration, that's what can happen .. ...
  16. jmndslthr.
    jmndslthr. 15 March 2019 09: 26
    +2
    It would have been swallowed even easier, if other nonsense were not spent on the "uniform" at the price of ocean shock squadrons

    and so, exploiting "everything for the front .."
  17. Forest
    Forest 15 March 2019 09: 47
    -3
    Only the weak-minded believe that yellow vests are popular outrage, would not have been paid, would have sat by the TV and were silent.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 15 March 2019 09: 53
      0
      People themselves do not come out to protests, all of a sudden: they are being taken out. And for this you need funding and considerable.
  18. Nord2015
    Nord2015 15 March 2019 10: 15
    +4
    Swallow, speak. A critical mass of discontent is still accumulating. No wonder all the propaganda strenuously hid rallies and protests against pension reform. Not for nothing that the guarantor before the election did not even stutter on this reform, he knew that then the election would fail. Endlessly tearing people all the same will not work.
  19. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 15 March 2019 10: 35
    +2
    Well, why don't I rock the boat? I am already a pensioner ... but it's a shame for the "youth"! Well, let the "young" rock the boat! I will support! angry And so ... of course it's sad! Recently I read an article: 2018 is "significant" with an "unprecedented" (compared to previous years ...) anti-popular offensive of the ruling regime! Predatory pension reform, increased taxes, levies, levies. Changes in legislation to please the oligarchs, but against the people. This is on the economic component! In the political ... the adoption of laws prohibiting "criticizing" the ruling "bodies"! That is, the infringement of the political rights of the people! In 2018, began what was previously called: "a non-commissioned officer's widow whipped herself ... "- I mean the statements of officials on" any occasion "! These statements" perfectly "say that the bureaucracy lives a life" independent "from the life of the people! Their life is a" parallel line "that does not intersect with the life of the people! But at the same time they arrogate to themselves the right to decide how the people (country) live, what to do, what to be, what is "good" and what is "bad" ... The Yeltsin-Putin regime is disgusting! But ... "the people hawala" And this is the trouble of Russia, the trouble of the Russian people in the present very period! People! It's time for the barricades!
  20. Essex62
    Essex62 15 March 2019 18: 17
    -1
    [quote = GerKlim] [quote] What is this? A policy of double standards or just a disregard for your people?
    [/ quote] all together and all at once
    It is enough for the author to recall how many centuries of serfdom in Russia will receive an answer. These are not when slaves were not considered people.
  21. lopvlad
    lopvlad 15 March 2019 20: 15
    -2
    Russians “swallow” pension reform


    they don’t swallow but will answer in a special way, namely, the extinction of entire settlements and cemeteries growing like mushrooms.
  22. TAMBU
    TAMBU 15 March 2019 20: 26
    0
    What is it? The policy of double standards or just disregard for their people?


    I understand both rhetorical questions?
  23. seacap
    seacap 15 March 2019 22: 17
    +1
    The fact that there are no mass demonstrations should not reassure the bourgeois boyar class and the servants who serve it, on the contrary, it would be worthwhile to hurry up and look at the state of affairs more attentively, if only from a sense of self-preservation. It means that the spring is compressed to the stop, and what happens when a popular spring or spring breaks down in Russia and how it hits the insolent face, what happens to everyone who more or less studied the history of their homeland knows well, it will not seem a little to the whole environment. somehow I don’t want to go through all these circles of hell again and again, which, as it seems to me, is still holding back the people's anger, as well as the absence of a sane "guiding and guiding", but here those who wish will not be found so overseas that practically and will finally put an end to the "Slavic question" (7000 thousand years of civilization on our lands). And the fact that the leadership is anti-popular and anti-Russian, one can say and Russophobic, or by incompetence (which I doubt), or by venality and divorced from the realities of life in the country, sitting in a fortress and seeing the people only through armored glass, leaving all processes and territories to chance, destroying education and science, destroying society and traditional values ​​in incl. family and community, even my old cat, who has felt a change in his diet with a bias towards vegetarianism, does not doubt this.
  24. Alexander X
    Alexander X 16 March 2019 15: 02
    -1
    Here, many advocate for a change of government, eco dirtied you brains. What is the difference (by and large) which government is in a CAPITALIST state? For in the cap. In a state, the government will always defend the interests of the capitalists. But there is only one interest - maximum surplus value and maximum profit. And this is achieved by oppressing the population (the working class of the peasantry, the intelligentsia) .... Well, I wrote primitively to understand the problem. We must not advocate a change of government, but a change of the social system in the country. Only the socialist system has the goal of the most complete satisfaction of human needs, and only a socialist state will direct income to meet the needs of citizens ....