Raise Russia from its knees. Secrets of the Stalinist economy

The transformation of the USSR into a highly developed industrial and military state began with the Stalin five-year plans, with 5-year plans for the development of the national economy. These were the state long-term plans for the economic and cultural development of the Soviet Union.


The first five-year plan fell on 1928-1932, the second on 1933-1937, the third began in 1938 and was to end in 1942, but the implementation of all plans of this period was prevented by the attack of the Third Reich in June 1941. However, the Union stood the test of war. At the end of 1942, our country produced more weapons than Hitler’s “European Union” —Germany and its united Europe.

It was a real Soviet miracle. The country, which in the 1920-ies was an agrarian country with a weak industry, has become an industrial giant. In the USSR, created thousands of large enterprises, dozens of new industries. Already in 1937, more than 80% of industrial products were produced in new factories. In terms of industrial output, the Union ranked second in the world, second only to the United States, and first in Europe, overtaking such strong industrial powers as Germany and the United Kingdom.

Given the fact that Soviet Russia was constantly under the pressure of a new war with the West or Japan, a lot of effort and money had to be spent on developing the military-industrial complex in order to equip the army with new weapons and equipment: airplanes, tanks, ships, guns, air defense systems, etc. The threat of attack from the West and East predetermined the accelerated development, its mobilization character.

Raise Russia from its knees. Secrets of the Stalinist economy

"Industrialization - the path to socialism." Poster. Artist S. Ageev. Xnumx

At the same time there was a threat from within - from the side of the “fifth column” (Why were needed Stalinist repression). From the very beginning, the Bolsheviks (Russian Communists) had two wings: the Bolsheviks-statesmen headed by Stalin and the revolutionaries-internationalists, cosmopolitans, Trotsky was the leading figure among them. For the latter, Russia and the people were “dung” for the realization of the plans of the world revolution, the creation of a new world order based on false communism (Marxism), which was one of the scenarios of the Western masters for creating a global slave-owning civilization. This is the "secret of 1937 of the year." Russian communists were able to take up over the cosmopolitan internationalists. Most of the "fifth column", including its military wing, was destroyed, some hid, "repainted." This allowed us to prepare for a world war and win it.

During industrialization, much attention was paid to the spatial development of Russia. The development of the Urals and Siberia. Already on the eve of the adoption of the first five-year plan, they planned to place strategic production there. This speaks, firstly, of the need to develop Russian expanses in the east of the country. Secondly, the Kremlin’s understanding of the fact that the traditional industrial areas of Russia in the west of the country — Leningrad, the Baltic States, Ukraine — are vulnerable to enemy invasion. In the future, this policy was continued. In 1939, a new program for the construction of backup plants outside the Urals and in Siberia was adopted. Also in the east, they created a new agrarian base of the country. In 1934, the task was to create a powerful agricultural base beyond the Volga.

They attached great importance to the country's connectivity and the construction of new transport arteries. In particular, they developed communications linking the European part of Russia with the northern and eastern regions of Siberia. Created the Northern Sea Route. Air transport was also developed in these regions, which was subsequently based on small aviation. The campaigns of the Krasin icebreakers (formerly Svyatogor) and Chelyuskin, Chkalov’s flights and other significant events were not only individual heroic milestones, but a chain of events for the consistent development of the Russian North. Soviet Russia systematically mastered the vast expanses of the Russian Arctic and Siberia.

The Soviet Union 20-s was a poor, agrarian country, which barely overcame the devastation, the huge losses of the First World War and the Civil War. Russia was robbed, having survived the period of the most massive plundering of the country in its stories. Therefore, it was extremely difficult to industrialize; there was a catastrophic lack of money.

Later, they created a liberal myth that Stalin’s industrialization had to be carried out by plundering the Russian countryside and “tightening the belts” of the whole country. But these statements are not true. The impoverished village of 20, already devastated and looted during the world and civil wars, intervention, peasant war, simply could not provide such means. On the whole, the people were poor. Russia has already been robbed. It is clear that there is some truth in these statements, inflated to the whole anti-Soviet myth. It is obvious that the period of mobilization suggested “tightening the belts,” and the carrying out of industrialization temporarily slowed down the pace of raising the people's welfare. However, the standard of living of the people grew from year to year, and with the emergence of hundreds of new factories and plants, the construction of roads and power plants, etc., the growth of welfare increased. These were long-term investments, which formed the basis of the well-being of the lives of many generations of people in the USSR-Russia, including the current ones.

The main source of funds was that the Russian Communists no longer allowed Westerners to parasitize Russian wealth. Gave shortened both external and internal parasites. For example, this is precisely the reason for the current poverty of the majority of the population of Russia and Ukraine. Capitalism is a parasitic, predatory, unjust system. The poor all the time get poorer, and the rich get richer. Therefore, in Russia from year to year there are more and more billionaires and multimillionaires, and more and more poor and poor. This is an axiom. The oligarchs and the bureaucracy involved in the robbery of the country, their entourage, get richer by capturing 80-90% of the country's wealth, and the rest exist, survive.

As soon as the process of robbery from inside and outside was stopped in Soviet Russia, funds were immediately found for industrialization, the creation of powerful armed forces, the development of education, science and culture. Nothing has changed in the present. There is no development, “no money,” as Russian riches are devoured by external and internal parasites.

The lack of wealthy classes, the “elect” parasitizing the masses, also saved money in the country. Since the capital, the money was not exported from Russia and was not spent on overconsumption, the pleasures of the “elite”. The criminal world was also pressed, they did not allow officials to steal, they were severely punished for it. At the same time, during the “great purge”, it was possible to return a part of the capital, money, which the representatives of the “elite” had previously taken abroad. These funds also went on development. Thus, the main source of financial resources for development is the cessation of the plunder of the country from within and from without.

It is clear that the funds were collected by other methods: the USSR led foreign trade, sold certain goods and raw materials; for the sake of a great cause, cultural and historical values ​​were sold (later, some were able to return), the Soviet government resorted to state loans (1941 had 60 million subscribers in 2), the average citizen of the USSR occupied the state equal to 3 wages, etc. d.

The secret of the Stalinist economy was that the resources under Stalin were used much more rationally than after it. For example, in the field of armaments. Thus, the German military and political leadership during the Second World War sprayed funds and resources, chased a lot of "hares". Dozens of repeating works were conducted in the German military complex. In the Soviet economy of Stalin's time, all forces concentrated on several major breakthrough directions.For example, this is an atomic project, the creation of an air defense system. After the Great War, the Soviet Union did not begin to ruin itself with an unpromising race from the USA, the West, to build hundreds of heavy bombers - “flying fortresses”, dozens of aircraft carriers. The Kremlin has found a cheaper and more effective response - intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads. Stalin did not live to see their first launches, but it was he who started the project.

In the Stalinist USSR, they were able to save not only in the military sphere. Thus, in the Stalin years, priority was given to the construction of small inter-collective farm hydropower plants, which provided cheap electricity. Mini-hydropower plants saved oil and coal, did not cause as much environmental damage as large hydropower plants.

In the Stalinist USSR, the system of providing the village with agricultural machinery was well thought out. So that every collective or state farm does not spend on its own technical staff, fleet of equipment, so that it does not stand idle, but works with full dedication, MTS were created - machine-tractor stations that served several collective farms at once. After Stalin, under Khrushchev, MTS was liquidated, immediately made agriculture very expensive.

Another example of the Stalinist government’s rational approach to the problems of the development of the national economy is the plan for the transformation of nature. Comprehensive program of scientific regulation of nature in the country, which began to be implemented at the end of 1940 - the beginning of 1950-s. The plan was adopted in 1948 year under the influence of drought and famine 1946-1947. It was based on afforestation to protect the fields, the introduction of grassland crop rotations, irrigation - the construction of ponds and reservoirs to ensure high yields in the steppe and forest-steppe areas. This plan had no analogues in the world. For example, in the European part of Russia they planned to plant forest belts in order to stop dry winds (hot southeastern winds) and change the climate on the 120 area of ​​millions of hectares (these are several large European countries combined). In particular, large protective forest belts planned to be planted along the banks of the Volga, Don, Seversky Donets, Khopyra, Ural and other rivers.

Forest shelter belts, reservoirs and the introduction of grassland crop rotations were supposed to protect the southern regions of the USSR-Russia - the Volga region, Little Russia, the Caucasus and Northern Kazakhstan, from sand and dust storms, droughts. This also led to higher yields, a solution to the problem of food security. In addition to the state forest protective belts, forests of local importance were planted around the perimeter of the fields, along the slopes of ravines, along existing and new reservoirs, on sandy terrain, to fix it. Also introduced progressive methods of processing fields; the correct system of application of organic and mineral fertilizers; sowing of selected seeds of high-yielding varieties that have been adapted to local conditions. There was the introduction of grassland farming system, when part of the field was sown with perennial herbs. They served as feed for livestock and a natural means of restoring soil fertility.

Thousands of new reservoirs dramatically improved the environment, strengthened the system of waterways, settled the flow of many rivers, gave the country a huge amount of cheap electricity, which is so necessary for industrialization and agricultural development, improved irrigation opportunities for fields and gardens. New reservoirs were used for breeding fish, which also solved the problem of feeding the population, strengthened food security. Also, new reservoirs have improved the situation with fire safety.

Thus, the USSR solved the problem of food security and from the second half of the 1960-s could start selling domestic grain and meat abroad. In addition, new forest belts and ponds should significantly diversify, restore the living world (flora and fauna). I.e Stalin's plan provided for both the solution of economic and environmental problems. At the same time, it was very important that the European (Russian) part of the USSR was developing. The Russian village with such a plan was promising, had a future.

The results of the program were excellent: an increase in grain yield by 20-25%, vegetables - by 50-75%, herbs - by 100-200%. A strong feed base for livestock was created, there was a significant increase in the production of meat, fat, milk, eggs, wool. Forest stripes protected southern Russia from dust storms. For example, Ukraine-Ukraine has forgotten about them. Unfortunately, with the current barbaric destruction of forests in Ukraine, including forest belts, they will soon become commonplace again in the southern part of Russia-Russia.

Under Khrushchev's “restructuring-1”, many rational and long-term Stalinist plans were curtailed. The Stalinist plan for the transformation of nature, which promised so many positive results for the country, was also forgotten. Moreover, Khrushchev put forward his radical, ill-conceived and destructive plan: a dramatic expansion of the acreage due to the development of virgin lands. The results were sad. Extensive methods caused a short-term sharp increase in yield, and then led to the destruction of the soil, environmental disaster and food crisis in the USSR. Moscow began to buy grain abroad.


Soviet poster dedicated to the implementation of the Stalinist plan for the transformation of nature

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  1. Reptiloid 14 March 2019 05: 21 New
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    The article about the Stalinist economy really liked. Most of the information was unknown to me.
    There are now praises for the Chinese miracle, in my opinion, Soviet economic achievements are much more significant and, of course, require careful study. It is good that there will be a continuation.
    1. raw174 14 March 2019 05: 32 New
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      Quote: Reptiloid
      Now there are praises to the Chinese miracle,

      There is no Chinese miracle, there is a huge population that is ready to work 25 hours a day ...
      1. Reptiloid 14 March 2019 09: 35 New
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        Quote: raw174
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Now there are praises to the Chinese miracle,

        There is no Chinese miracle, there is a huge population that is ready to work 25 hours a day ...

        I also read about it, it was only said that 16 hours with several 15-minute toilets, that without days off ..... That without pensions everyone already knows. The same applies to other Asian countries. India by itself.
        1. Andrey VOV 14 March 2019 12: 42 New
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          In China, there are pensions, not all 100% of pensioners, but there are
          1. CALL. 14 March 2019 21: 49 New
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            The main source of funds was that the Russian Communists no longer allowed the masters of the West to parasitize on Russian wealth.

            In 1913 Russia accounted for a little more than 4% of world industrial production, its population was 9% of the world population. This means that per capita in Russia accounted for more than two times less production than in the rest of the world, including Asia, Africa and South America, that is, the poorest regions of the world. By the mid-80s, the proportion of the population of the USSR decreased to 5,5%. And the share of industrial products of the Soviet Union in the global volume has already reached 14,5%. This figure is named in the statistical collection of the US CIA. According to these American data, the level of industrial production in the Soviet Union per capita was almost double the world level, and from the point of view of dynamics, this means that over 70 years of Soviet power, industry in the USSR developed 6 times faster than in the rest of the world, and the main growth was achieved under Stalin. Who else should we prove?
        2. Cetron 15 March 2019 00: 02 New
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          The other day there was news that China is moving to a four-day work week. 16 hours per shift is no longer relevant. Socialism however!
      2. Ingvar 72 14 March 2019 13: 06 New
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        Quote: raw174
        There is no Chinese miracle, there is a huge population that is ready to work 25 hours a day ...

        Have you been to China yourself? fool A friend of mine worked there. So do not have tales of 25 hours a day. In cities, people earn more than ours. And the prices are BELOW than ours.
        1. Bull Terrier 14 March 2019 17: 03 New
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          and you yourself were there?) about prices is who told you that? on YouTube, thousands of videos with price tags in their stores in cities. the prices there are more than even in Moscow for almost everything. compared to our usual cities it’s just much more expensive. with an average salary of 5000 yuan, there is enough money for food housing and a child to postpone something for college. by our standards, this is something about 30-40 thousand per month goes to the same purchases. and what is the difference? and do not forget that such a sn only in large cities. in the province it is smaller.
          1. Ingvar 72 14 March 2019 18: 59 New
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            Quote: Bull Terrier
            on YouTube, thousands of videos with price tags in their stores in cities. there are more prices than even in Moscow

            Let's get at least one out of thousands. And the city should not be a resort, but in Sochi and Yalta
            prices are three times higher than in Moscow. Further, have you heard about median wealth? There is such a thing - median wealth, I already wrote about this. The median wealth (that is, the amount that 50% of the population has) is $ 2739, while the arithmetic average is 19, 997 times more. This is a very, very big gap. In China, average wealth is only three times the median. What is the result? GDP per capita in Russia is still higher than in China - 7,3 times. And the median state of a citizen there is 1,19 times greater than ours.
            And you are all so EP at 21 and breathe? wink
            1. Bull Terrier 14 March 2019 20: 17 New
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              there is no special price difference in the country like ours. a little cheaper in the south. there are certainly cheaper products, but kg of pork for 760 rubles or more than 1000 beef will catch you. [center]

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              a liter of milk somewhere 150 rubles or a little more. you see the eggs yourself. a loaf of bread 70 rubles at least on the price tag pork price per 500 grams. it’s normal for them. it’s cheap to thump if you don’t pursue quality) for 100 you can buy a nasty thing) disgusting but you will not die)
              I was not a member of the parties and I am not going to. I don’t give a damn about both them and your flags and slogans. both substances are rare and smell very bad.
              1. Ingvar 72 14 March 2019 21: 01 New
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                Quote: Bull Terrier
                but kg of pork for 760 rubles or beef more than 1000 will catch you.

                He said not in resort towns. The most expensive cities with a high consumer price index are Guangzhou and Shanghai. Your photo from Guangzhou.
                On average, pork costs from 140 r to 340 r. per kg
                https://fishki.net/1266875-ceny-na-nekotorye-produkty-v-kitae-gguanchzhou.html
                https://make-trip.ru/china/tseny-skolko-stoit
                Products are on average like ours, but everything else is much cheaper. This despite the fact that Z.P. is higher there, and not a cup of rice once a day.
                1. Bull Terrier 14 March 2019 21: 22 New
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                  damn yes I personally went to supermarkets in Shanghai. what are you telling me tales of? the cheapest pork that I saw is 40 yuan kg. Do you understand the most? what is there much cheaper? milk for 12 yuan a liter? eggs of 1 yuan each? communal? Well, a little bit less. treshka bucks 100 a month. Do you know how they calculate the cost of living for different cities? total spending. So in the city less than 5200 per month just can’t live if you rent a house. I have a girlfriend working there for several years already buying some garbage for all kinds of cumin and other sites. so she gets somewhere 4000 bucks a month. there she is very well. she does not pay for housing for a communal apartment too. All company pays. damn how much you can repeat the same thing, want to talk about the country, go there sometimes. I get to China just to cross the river. they almost no longer go there for shopping. it makes no sense simply. so drink vodka yes Chinese women eat. I can’t find a check for a taxi damn it. there are also funny prices.
                  1. Ingvar 72 14 March 2019 21: 33 New
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                    Quote: Bull Terrier
                    damn yes I personally went to supermarkets in Shanghai.

                    Well, you still walked through Sochi! fool I wrote, Shanghai and Guangzhou are the most expensive cities in China. Beijing is much cheaper.
                    1. Bull Terrier 14 March 2019 22: 15 New
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                      not much. I’m telling them that they do not have such a range of prices. okay. the dispute will not work) each will remain his own)
                      1. Moore 15 March 2019 04: 07 New
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                        Try to look at such an aspect of Chinese life regardless of food prices - who is now the world's most popular tourist? Yes, we can say that there are many of them, that there are proportions and relative values. Here are just so many Hindu tourists, at least kill me ...
                  2. CALL. 14 March 2019 21: 56 New
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                    Quote: Bull Terrier
                    I get to China just to cross the river.

                    Are you from Blagoveshchensk?
                    1. Bull Terrier 14 March 2019 22: 15 New
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                      Khabarovsk
          2. smart ass 15 March 2019 16: 53 New
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            I was in China in November 18th ask questions)
        2. raw174 14 March 2019 21: 33 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Have you been to China yourself?

          It seems that you have already talked about this ... I haven’t been, my sister worked there for half a year, in 2015, it seems ... According to her, the average Chinese man works much more than Russian, but lives worse, in the sense that their housing is smaller, the diet is poorer, although there are still traditions, education is not available to most of the population, higher education is just very expensive, they dress more modestly, but traditions are also here. In the village there, the population is mostly illiterate ...
          1. Bull Terrier 14 March 2019 22: 19 New
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            and there is. they work much more than ours. As an example, I’ve been telling something. parents have a house in the country. not a summer cottage just a good place to relax. he is in the border zone. the village of Kazakevichevo. there, on the other side of the river, the Chinese built an airport. and something else. they already have a working day when everyone is sleeping. the time zone they did in their own way. so also finish do not understand what time.
            1. Andrey VOV 15 March 2019 09: 49 New
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              According to the plans of the PRC government from April 1, 2019, the VAT rate for the manufacturing industry will be reduced from 16% to 13%, for transport and transportation, construction and other sectors - from 10% to 9%.
    2. Hole puncher 14 March 2019 05: 56 New
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      Quote: Reptiloid
      An article about the Stalinist economy really liked

      And this article is about economics !? Do you have such ideas about her?
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Most of the information was unknown to me.

      If you were born this year in 1960, then you would not learn anything new from this opus.
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Now there are praises for the Chinese miracle, in my opinion, Soviet economic achievements are much more significant

      If you base not on specific numbers, but on your inner feelings, then undoubtedly this is so.
      1. Grandfather 14 March 2019 06: 10 New
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        Quote: raw174
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Now there are praises to the Chinese miracle,

        There is no Chinese miracle, there is a huge population that is ready to work 25 hours a day ...

        and the terrifying ecology is the result of a “miracle”.
        1. Andrey Sukharev 14 March 2019 06: 29 New
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          Yes, in China everything that is possible is already messed up. The result of their spurt into the future ...
          1. RUSS 14 March 2019 08: 57 New
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            Quote: Andrey Sukharev
            Yes, in China everything that is possible is already messed up. The result of their spurt into the future ...

            Now they are accepting large-scale environmental projects, such as the Green Wall of China, etc.
            1. Bull Terrier 14 March 2019 17: 06 New
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              just take the train from the south that goes north to see for yourself. the further the worse.
        2. 210ox 14 March 2019 08: 25 New
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          A terrifying ecology? Across the country? Yes, in the Urals I agree, and then in some places. It is not necessary to generalize. Our grandfathers and fathers did a great job.
          1. Grandfather 14 March 2019 08: 37 New
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            Quote: 210ox
            A terrifying ecology? Across the country? Yes, in the Urals I agree, and then in some places. It is not necessary to generalize. Our grandfathers and fathers did a great job.

            I'm about China at all.
            1. Sergej1972 14 March 2019 14: 09 New
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              And in China so far there are many places with a good environmental situation.
          2. Vadim237 14 March 2019 18: 51 New
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            Of course they did - and now Russia is scooping up the remnants of this "great cause" such as the Mayak plant and the Arctic.
        3. Anton Yu 14 March 2019 09: 55 New
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          in our country as with the environment?
          1. Grandfather 14 March 2019 10: 13 New
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            Quote: Anton Yu
            in our country as with the environment?

            you know much better. so many enterprises have collapsed! here in our city, the last five years are white snow, the Nickel Plant was closed, and Mechanical, and Chemical, and Repair of reclamation equipment, and a few more - the air, like wallets, is so clean ... soon it’s completely clean, it will die out, they’ll run people in different directions, shouting on the go: "Glory to the ep!"
            1. Anton Yu 14 March 2019 10: 21 New
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              I don’t know where you have, but in our Sverdlovsk Region it’s full of ecology. Plants are smoked, land restoration after mining has never been done. Rivers with clear water are only in the far north of the region. And in Chelyabinsk everything is filthy.
              1. Sergej1972 14 March 2019 14: 10 New
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                In fairness, you had the same situation there in Soviet times.
      2. Andrey Sukharev 14 March 2019 06: 31 New
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        So for sure, this is not an article about economics, but a set of theses.
      3. Andrey VOV 14 March 2019 08: 41 New
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        And in what year were you born?
      4. Reptiloid 14 March 2019 10: 43 New
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        Hole puncher, for example, to my shame, I forgot about the first five-year plans. At school --- side by side about this. Although the exam came later. This is an article, not a dissertation. The main thing is the search vector! Google to the rescue!
        Even Doctor of History Klim Zhukov from time to time he says in his stories that he wrote out numbers and events. So we also need to write out, write out and write out again the figures and facts of the Soviet economic miracle.
        1. Mcar 14 March 2019 11: 00 New
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          Quote: Reptiloid
          At school --- side by side about this.

          Dmitry, if you didn’t look, I recommend:

          "Model of Stalin." Movie 1. "Industrialization"
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC-SsUYVZ1k

          "Model of Stalin." Movie 2. "Components of Success"
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-21d0UMSKg

          "Model of Stalin." Movie 3. "The Test of War"
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP6UyKj5OdE
          1. Reptiloid 14 March 2019 12: 13 New
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            Quote: McAr
            Quote: Reptiloid
            At school --- side by side about this.

            Dmitry, if you didn’t look, I recommend:

            "Model of Stalin." Movie 1. "Industrialization"
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC-SsUYVZ1k

            "Model of Stalin." Movie 2. "Components of Success"
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-21d0UMSKg

            "Model of Stalin." Movie 3. "The Test of War"
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP6UyKj5OdE

            Thanks, I'll see. Although I started reading the author Olsztynsky, I haven’t reached the age of five.
        2. voyaka uh 15 March 2019 01: 52 New
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          The Soviet economic miracle had a "dad" - an American architect from Detroit
          Albert Kahn

          "In 1928 he was invited to the USSR to participate in industrialization. He came to Moscow with 25 engineers, and over two years trained more than 4000 specialists, between 1929 and 1932 he designed and organized the construction of 521 objects [5] [6] [ 7] (according to other sources - 571 objects). These are primarily tractor (that is, tank) plants in Stalingrad, Chelyabinsk, Kharkov; automobile plants in Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod; blacksmith shops in Chelyabinsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Kolomna, Lyubertsy, Magnitogorsk, Nizhny Tagil, Stalingrad; machine-tool factories in Kaluga, Novosibirsk, Upper Salda; rolling mill in Moscow; foundries in Chelyabinsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Kolomna, Lyubertsy, Magnitogorsk, Sormovo, Stalingrad; machine shops in Chelyabinsk, Lyubertsy, Lyubertsy Stalingrad, Sverdlovsk; steel shops and rolling mills in Kamensky [8], Kolomna, Kuznetsk, Magnitogorsk, Nizhny Tagil, Verkhny Tagil, Sormovo; bearing plant in Moscow, Volkhov aluminum factory; Ural asbestos factory and many others "

          The Americans built more than 500 turnkey plants in the USSR, along with machine tools, technologies,
          licenses. Including almost all defense industry plants.
          1. Reptiloid 15 March 2019 02: 02 New
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            I wonder how many of them survived after the 90s? And in Daytroit itself, what about his projects. Interesting topic.
          2. raw174 15 March 2019 05: 16 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            The Americans built more than 500 turnkey plants in the USSR, along with machine tools, technologies,
            licenses. Including almost all defense industry plants.

            Well, you do not begin to claim that the Americans did it out of kindness? Yes, the Americans built the enterprises, including ChTZ, MMK and many others, but they did it for a fee, a clean business. Saying that the Americans industrialized the USSR is the same as saying that Auchan (or whatever you have) feeds your family ...
    3. Alber 18 March 2019 22: 35 New
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      Quote: Reptiloid
      The article about the Stalinist economy really liked. Most of the information was unknown to me.
      There are now praises for the Chinese miracle, in my opinion, Soviet economic achievements are much more significant and, of course, require careful study. It is good that there will be a continuation.

      The article is correct and interesting! Samsonov +
  2. Fevralsk. Morev 14 March 2019 06: 20 New
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    Secrets of the Stalinist economy. It's pretty simple. The strategic goal is outlined (strong country, well-being of the people); a team of like-minded people is formed (whoever gets rid of those); a comprehensive plan is being drawn up (five-year plan); adjustment of the command and administrative system (I said, you did); the carrot-stick principle applies; tight control over the spending of public money. Personal responsibility. And most importantly, not any contractors, nor any rotenbergs and the like. Everything is built by the state. And voila. After 10 years we get the result. The main thing is that there is no time for buildup.
    1. 210ox 14 March 2019 08: 29 New
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      Everything is simple, really. It is a pity that in our time everything is "complicated". Probably too much money is spent on management, irresponsible.
    2. Ptolemy Lag 14 March 2019 10: 04 New
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      The most important thing is personal (up to execution) responsibility !!!
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        The most important thing is personal (up to execution) responsibility !!!

        By the end of the 30s, this did not work - the failed directors were removed ... and appointed to another plant.
        By order of the XVIII GU NKOP of January 1, 1939, it was prescribed "... for repeated and flagrant violation of budget and financial discipline at the factory of the deputy director (plant No. 24. - MM) comrade Borisova P. A. dismissed and used in less responsible work. To point out to the director of plant No. 24 Borisov the violation of financial and budgetary discipline. ” Already on January 13, by the order of NKOP No. 16 / k, the decision “... 1. Comrade Borisova I. T. to remove from the work of the director of plant No. 24; 2. Comrade Sokolov D. M. to appoint the director of the factory number 24, relieving him of his work as director of the factory number 20 ". And, as the end of this series of orders, on January 20, I. T. Borisov was appointed director of ... Plant No. 20!
        © Mukhin M.Yu. Soviet aircraft industry during the Great Patriotic War.

        For frames decide everything - and there is no reserve for these personnel. So we have to shuffle the existing ones, which have not even managed.

        And this is the worst case for the director. In the best case, we look at the biography of Comrade Zaltsman. The Kirov plant, in collusion with military acceptance, is surrendering to the army obviously faulty and understaffed tanks, the accounting documentation has traces of gross fakes (the acceptance certificate was allegedly signed in July, and the typographical date of the act form is August), and the Mehlis commission works and nothing. And in a year, Comrade Salzman becomes deputy commissar of the tank industry, and then commissar.
  3. Cowbra 14 March 2019 06: 49 New
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    That hell knows ... And Khrushchev and Brezhnev just continued the trend of the Stalin years - to remodel nature as a person, and not vice versa ... Which more than once led to fucking blunders - and the cow-parsnip is called "Stalin's revenge", and these rotanes got everyone, bull-calves ... Another thing is that those who came for Stalin-the scope was orders of magnitude greater, but in the head there was no nichrome at all. And the disappeared feather grass and dust storms, and the Aral ... Well, at least the bald bastard didn’t have time to expand the northern rivers at the end of the USSR — now they would laugh all over the planet, or at least Eurasia, bending from thirst
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      Quote: Cowbra
      It’s good that even the bald bastard didn’t have time to expand the northern rivers under the curtain of the USSR - now we would have laughed at the whole planet, or at least Eurasia, bending from thirst

      This money would be worth the uttermost. There on BAM it was sorely lacking.
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      Quote: Cowbra
      That hell knows ... And Khrushchev and Brezhnev just continued the trend of the Stalin years - to remodel nature as a person, and not vice versa ... Which more than once led to fucking blunders - and the cow-parsnip is called "Stalin's revenge", and these rotanes got everyone, bull-calves ... Another thing is that those who came for Stalin-the scope was orders of magnitude greater, but in the head there was no nichrome at all. And the disappeared feather grass and dust storms, and the Aral ... Well, at least the bald bastard didn’t have time to expand the northern rivers at the end of the USSR — now they would laugh all over the planet, or at least Eurasia, bending from thirst


      The bald paddle lives and lives. There is no doubt an indicative moment.
  4. 2112vda 14 March 2019 07: 37 New
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    So for sure, this is not an article about economics, but a set of theses.

    Naturally, this is not an article about economics. This is a story. According to the plan for the transformation of nature, forest strips were planted in the steppe zone. I remember how along the railway in the winter they installed shields to protect them from snow drifts. Planted forest strips removed this problem. In the Volgograd region there was a network of leshozes dealing with forest shelter belts. It all worked perfectly. In my memory, there were two strong dust storms that were stopped by forest belts. Now the leshozes are destroyed, the forest strips are not being repaired and are dying. All around are solid "efficient owners." The country in the 90s committed an involutionary act, i.e. went on a degenerate path, ordinary people are reaping the fruits of this bacchanalia of our so-called "elite". Stalin managed to raise the country out of poverty, the modern leadership successfully drives the country's population into the wildest feudalism.
  5. Olgovich 14 March 2019 07: 44 New
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    The first five-year plan fell on 1928-1932, the second - on 1933
    It was real Soviet miracle.

    Of course:
    - the number of births per woman in just 6 years has decreased by almost TWO times from 7.1 to 3,9 per woman. They were forced to ban abortions in 1934, but the situation never has not returned to its previous level.
    There has never been such a catastrophic fall in such a short period.

    -The most terrible famine in the history of the country and humanity also happened precisely then, in 1932, in PEACE time. The worst thing, according to the victims and horror, after the Second World War, is an event in the history of the country that far left the World the war November 1914, XNUMX

    -Millions of exiled peasants with hundreds of thousands of dead, hundreds of thousands of people executed during the year (37-38).

    - The disaster with the consumption of food, clothing in 1937, compared with 1913

    Did the people tell the truth to everyone about this? No never. They were afraid.

    Have people ever accepted such sacrifices? No never.

    The main question is: were all these sacrifices necessary for the same industrialization? Absolutely NO, they only SLOW her. All of them are due to inability to control.

    Given the fact that Soviet Russia was constantly under the pressure of a new war with the West or Japan, a lot of effort and money had to be spent on the development of the military-industrial complex. The threat of attack from the West and the East determined the accelerated development and its mobilization nature.

    If you study the history of MILLENNIUM Russia, it turns out: in order to successfully develop and become the largest country in the world, you don’t have to tear yourself, but be able to fight the whole world: you must BE ABLE to look for allies in the surrounding heterogeneous world, BE ABLE to understand that enemies are often , are enemies among themselves and use it.
    The history of Russia and the fact of the creation of the largest power proved the ability of Russian diplomats and leaders to this.
    The Russian village with this plan was promising, had future.

    The results of the program were excellent: grain yield growth of 20-25%

    People fled from village by any ways all the time, starting in 1928
    As for the yield, generally funny: the level of 1913 yields reached only to ....1956 g (except 1937) ...
    1. apro 14 March 2019 08: 11 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      The main question is: were all these sacrifices necessary for the same industrialization? Absolutely NO, they only SLOW her. All of them are due to inability to control.

      But from this moment on in more detail ... and it’s not clear what to compare with. How was the pace like that under the tsar? And it’s also interesting to learn about slowdown ... compared with what?
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        Quote: apro
        about slowdown is also interesting to know?

        millions of workers — died in a year due to hunger, millions more — could not work at full strength. Now it is clear?
        Millions of exiled peasants also turned out to be a loss-making enterprise.
        etc.
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          Russia was starving systemically and before the advice:
          "In 1842, the government found that crop failures repeated every 6-7 years, continuing for two years in a row. During the second half of the 1873th century, the famines caused by the crop failures of 1880, 1883 and XNUMX were especially cruel."
          The problem was solved only during the USSR.)
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            millions died only under the rule of the Lenin-Trotsky .....
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            Quote: Nestorych
            Russia was starving systemically and before the advice:
            "In 1842, the government found that crop failures repeated every 6-7 years, continuing for two years in a row. During the second half of the 1873th century, the famines caused by the crop failures of 1880, 1883 and XNUMX were especially cruel."
            The problem was solved only during the USSR.)

            A few reviews of contemporaries about hunger, I wrote in another article 12.03 already at 4 in the morning! Moreover, not the first time already. And Tolstoy, and Menshikov and Witte and Brockhaus and the Minister of Health of Ri! Well, who just did not leave evidence of this! Who would read that!
            1. Dmitry Kuzin 15 March 2019 05: 44 New
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              liberal propaganda, do not confuse malnutrition with Five Million deaths in the Cheon-blocked Volga!
              The last mass death (about 10 thousand) from starvation in the Empire was recorded in 1890 from the accompanying cholera epidemic
            2. Nestorych 15 March 2019 10: 53 New
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              Sectarians of any color from white to red do not need the truth that destroys their tales.)))
          3. Gopnik 15 March 2019 14: 23 New
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            Well, yes, the problem was solved in the USSR when they began to buy food, incl. among the bourgeoisie. Queues and deficits have not disappeared, but at least they have ceased to die of hunger
    2. Pravodel 14 March 2019 08: 57 New
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      Dear, Olgovich, only you forgot how the famine of the early 30s was provoked, I recall. In Russia, in Russia, taking into account climatic features, productive and lean years alternate with a frequency of 3-5 years. The beginning of the 30s is just a lean period.
      In the period of industrialization of the USSR, taking into account five-year plans, it attracts loans for industrial construction and the purchase of equipment. Initially, these loans are repaid in goods and gold. At the beginning of the 3 years, Anglo-Saxon lenders refuse to accept gold and goods to repay loans, and demand payment by bread. It is this that leads to the need for universal collectivization as a condition for the removal of bread from the producer and, as a consequence, to starvation in the village and in the bread-producing regions of the USSR, not only in Ukraine, but also in Kazakhstan, the Volga region ..
      The calculation of Western lenders - the Anglo-Saxons was that the USSR would begin hunger riots and a change of power. Fortunately, this did not happen, however, it was worth the USSR, Russia, Ukraine, etc. many many millions of lives. But the question is, could it have been done differently in that situation? If the USSR had not paid for loans, if it had not repaid them, what would have happened to the country.
      Ask yourself this question.
      In fact, the introduction of the bread payment for loans was a war of Anglo-Saxons with the USSR, in which the USSR survived, but paid for the victory with the millions of lives of its people. The same thing happened again in 1941, when the USSR won again, but paid for the victory with 30 million lives of its citizens.
      1. Olgovich 14 March 2019 09: 27 New
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        Quote: The Truth
        In Russia, in Russia, taking into account climatic features, productive and lean years alternate with a frequency of 3-5 years. The beginning of the 30s is just a lean period.

        32 years old, according to Stalin in February. 1933, was MORE fruitful than 31, when there was no famine.
        Quote: The Truth
        Initially, these loans are repaid in goods and gold. At the beginning of 3 years, Anglo-Saxon lenders refuse to accept gold and goods on account of repayment of loans, but require payment by bread.

        1. Gold is almost ALL has been sold. by 1929. From 1930 it was forcibly taken through the Torgsin system from the population: at wild prices they sold rye flour for starvation (80% of sales).

        2. When the gold ended, they began to sell for a penny the treasures of the Hermitage, the Kremlin, etc.

        3. There is a structure of imports of the USSR in the 30s, and there is far from only bread.
        Quote: The Truth
        The calculation of Western lenders - the Anglo-Saxons was that the USSR would begin hunger riots and a change of power.

        Where is the logic? They could simply NOT GIVE loans, not give technology and machine tools, and take the country with your bare hands
        Quote: The Truth
        If the USSR hadn’t paid for loans, if it hadn’t repaid them, what would happen to the country.

        And what would it be? Already ... nothing! As in 1917, when they refused to pay them.
        Quote: The Truth
        it cost the USSR, Russia, Ukraine, etc. many many millions of lives.

        These millions - WERE willing to become victims of someone else's experiments? Were they even warned?
        Ask yourself this question.
        Quote: The Truth
        In fact, the introduction of bread payment for loans was a war of Anglo-Saxons with the USSR,

        This is essentially a lie:
        In 1930, the United States introduced protectionist measures in response to dumping: increased import duties on some particularly cheap Soviet goods. In 1931, the United States banned the import of Soviet lumber from the 4 northern regions of the USSR due to the massive use of forced labor there by prisoners. On October 3, 1930, France imposed economic sanctions against the USSR, accusing the Soviet authorities of financing the subversive activities of the Communist Party, these French sanctions lasted about a year. In response to the arrests of British engineers in the USSR, Great Britain imposed sanctions in 1933, which ended 3 months later - after the engineers were released.
        That's all the sanctions in the interval 1920-1939.
        1. Gardamir 14 March 2019 09: 55 New
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          Ask yourself this question
          By the way, yes, you don’t want to ask yourself a question about the state of the housekeeper in the USA during the mentioned 30s, the same famine, by the way repression. Why did he go to the Union in droves if everything was bad?
          And then everything is known in comparison, give the statistics of deaths in the Russian 90s, because Stalin was no longer there, but throughout the country how the war went. And now the people refuse to multiply, all the profits due to the importation of working guests.
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            Quote: Gardamir
            By the way, yes, you don’t want to ask yourself a question about the state of the housekeeper in the USA during the mentioned 30s, the same famine, by the way repression. Why did he go to the Union in droves if everything was bad?

            I do not want:
            1. The article is not about the United States. besides, the USA is a deliberate byak, and you ... are equal to it belay
            2. Americans ate at times more meat, milk, etc. in the 30s than in the built "socialism" of the 30s: see the Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR 1955
            3. Repression in the United States, think of it amusing yes
            3. And what are the "crowds" against the backdrop of 140 million US population? hi
            Quote: Gardamir
            And then everything is known in comparison, give the statistics of deaths in the Russian 90s, because Stalin was gone but in the country how the war passed. Yes, and now the people refuse to multiply all profit due to delivery of working guests

            He was not, but he was. It was in the 1930s that a demographic catastrophe occurred. leading to depopulation since 1964 and the Russian cross in 1992
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              1. Olgovich 14 March 2019 12: 01 New
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                Quote: Gardamir
                When they say. that somewhere there’s always bad, that there are worse places.

                And this place is known.
                Quote: Gardamir
                factor of
                It’s right to say several times, and not be like Leningrad blotnits in bots

                And you can read a scientific article on "stylization in Russian prose" https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo ... B5 & num = 100 and then teach.
                Quote: Gardamir
                Repression in the USA
                although would be but a lot of evidence on this subject

                What does WAR time have to ... PEACEFUL ?! belay
            2. Dmitry Kuzin 15 March 2019 05: 47 New
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              exactly equal! for it was from a new York that the Trotsky-Dzerzhinsky sailed on a steamboat ..... it was there that the loot was taken out! it was they who were given in concession the resources of Lenin-Trotsky
    3. victor50 14 March 2019 10: 55 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      the number of births per woman in just 6 years has decreased by almost TWO times from 7.1 to 3,9 per woman.

      But in the rest of the world, how were things going with this? And what happened to infant mortality in the USSR?
    4. AK1972 14 March 2019 10: 56 New
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      BE ABLE to search for allies in the surrounding heterogeneous world, BE ABLE to understand that enemies are often enemies among themselves and use this.

      And the standard of this SKILL was the great diplomat and statesman, so adored by Olgovich, Nicholas II, who mediocrely drove two wars as a result of a skillful search for allies, and later the country.
      1. Olgovich 14 March 2019 11: 06 New
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        Quote: AK1972
        And the standard of this SKILL was the great diplomat and statesman, so adored by Olgovich, Nicholas II, who mediocrely rode two wars as a result of a skillful search for allies,

        Russia's losses in WWII -9% of global losses (without China), the territory of Russian Russia is untouched, the main blow is to the West, in Versailles Russia is recognized as having the right for the same indemnities and payouts. that England and France. The Bolsheviks refused, appeasing the invaders.
        Quote: AK1972
        rode

        war-Bolsheviks, seized power, see Brest contract

        In WWII53% of global loss (without China), the territory of dozens of Russian regions, to ashes, the main blow to the east ...

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            1. AK1972 14 March 2019 11: 44 New
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              I'm talking about Thomas, you're talking about Yeryoma. Is Portsmouth signed by Trotsky, or is Count Witte Polusakhalinsky?
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                Quote: AK1972
                I'm talking about Thomas, you're talking about Yeryoma. Is Portsmouth signed by Trotsky, or is Count Witte Polusakhalinsky?

                and I'm about: what was so terrible about him?
                which compared to disaster Brest?
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          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: AK1972
          And the standard of this SKILL was the great diplomat and statesman, so adored by Olgovich, Nicholas II, who mediocrely rode two wars as a result of a skillful search for allies,

          Russia's losses in WWII -9% of global losses (without China), the territory of Russian Russia is untouched, the main blow is to the West, in Versailles Russia is recognized as having the right for the same indemnities and payouts. that England and France. The Bolsheviks refused, appeasing the invaders.
          Quote: AK1972
          rode

          war-Bolsheviks, seized power, see Brest contract

          In WWII53% of global loss (without China), the territory of dozens of Russian regions, to ashes, the main blow to the east ...


          How did the Bolsheviks take over the whole country with a powerful economy, a strong and loyal army and a happy population? Discover the secret.
      2. BAI
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        Nicholas II, stupidly rode two wars as a result of a skillful search for allies, and later the country.

        It's right. If Russia in the WWII acted in alliance with Germany against the Entente, everything would be different. Moreover, France fought against Russia in the 19th century twice, England -1 times. Germany is either not, or some minor conflicts. And what would happen if in WWI both Russia and Germany would be allies?
        1. Unconditional and quick victory in Europe - England in blockade on the island.
        2. The absence of a revolutionary situation and revolution (revolution was inevitable in any case, but it would have happened later with other consequences, without the collapse of Russia).
        3. The absence of the Civil War and the destruction of the Russian economy.
        4. Hitler would not have come to power. If WWII occurred, then on other conditions.
        Etc. (Yes, and the French loan would have closed the question).
        Those. With the wrong choice of allies, Nikolai signed the death sentence for himself, his family, Russia and tens of millions of its citizens.
    5. Andrey VOV 14 March 2019 11: 17 New
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      Olgovich, how do you live at all? No matter how you read your comments, everything is absolutely all bad since 17 ... You forgive me, but the impression is that you are a terribly morose and unsmiling person
      1. Olgovich 14 March 2019 11: 44 New
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        Quote: Andrey VOV
        No matter how you read your comments, everything is absolutely all bad since 17 year.

        Oh good, a lot of comments.
        Russia- best country in the world and despite no matter what, continued to live, fall in love. to build, to amaze the world, to win, as it did its ALL MILLENNIUM History.
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        .You forgivebut the impression is that you are a terribly sullen and unsmiling person

        1. I forgive you, but show me, where is the laughter? request
        2. Is anyone here interested in what we are by nature, habits, characteristics, etc.? Discussed ARTICLES - that's interesting! good
        I do not consider it possible and necessary to discuss anything else, for this there is a so-called social network. Where am I really not.
        1. Andrey VOV 14 March 2019 11: 45 New
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          And why in the past tense? "Russia is the best country in the world and, in spite of everything, continued to live, fall in love. Build, amaze the world, win, as it did its ENTIRE MILLENNIUM History."
          1. Olgovich 14 March 2019 12: 33 New
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            Quote: Andrey VOV
            And why in the past tense? "Russia is the best country in the world and, in spite of everything, continued to live, fall in love. Build, amaze the world, win, as it did its ALL MILLENNIUM History"

            belay Answered YOUR question
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            everything is absolutely everything is bad since 17 year.

            and Russia was and Yes-best in the world!
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              and apparently forgot to add, which will be the best country in the world
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                Quote: Andrey VOV
                and apparently forgot to add, which will be the best country in the world

                yes!
                1. free 14 March 2019 17: 39 New
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  and apparently forgot to add, which will be the best country in the world

                  yes!

                  And if socialism comes, will Russia be the best for you?
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              Quote: Olgovich
              and Russia was and is the best in the world!

              Including, starting from the 17th year! wink
              1. Olgovich 14 March 2019 14: 06 New
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                Quote: victor50
                Including, starting from the 17th year!

                No matter what! yes
                1. victor50 14 March 2019 14: 53 New
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: victor50
                  Including, starting from the 17th year!

                  No matter what! yes

                  Thanks to him! wink
    6. Nestorych 14 March 2019 11: 54 New
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      the number of births per woman in just 6 years has decreased by almost TWO times from 7.1 to 3,9 per woman.

      With any (!!) industrialization, this indicator would decline, this is an objective process, and if it would not have been demolished, we would.
      As for productivity, it’s generally funny: yields of the 1913 level reached only by .... 1956 (except 1937)

      Frank nonsense.)))
      1. Andrey VOV 14 March 2019 12: 41 New
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        absolutely incorrect comparison of the productivity of 1913 and 2014. and to draw conclusions .. completely different levels and technologies of processing and use of mechanized labor and many other factors
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        Quote: Nestorych
        With any (!!) industrialization, this indicator would be reduced, this is an objective process.

        In SIX years, twice! belay
        Quote: Nestorych
        but if it weren’t for us, they would be demolished.

        What are your "woulds" worth? Nothing. without a Thief and her Brest and WWII-unreal.
        Quote: Nestorych
        Frank nonsense.)))

        outright nonsense
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      Quote: Olgovich
      ... As for productivity, it is generally ridiculous: yields of the level of 1913 were reached only by .... 1956 (except 1937) ...


      Your whole comment is a set of rather strange statements. Some of them are just a lie, some indicate your lack of understanding of what you are writing about.

      In particular, about the "productivity". "Productivity" of what? Rye? The potato? Oats? Or you don't bother
      on this occasion. Type, "productivity" of a crop.

      We will not be "at all." Consider the most "fashionable" topic. Cereal Productivity. Here

      https://lj-top.ru/post/burckina_new/604893

      shows a graph of cereal yields in Russia from 1800 to the present day. For 216 (!!!) years.

      From this graph you can see that you are just a cheater manipulating numbers.

      Using your tricks, I, for example, can "prove" that tsarist Russia was absolutely incapable of developing anything, even agriculture. Facts? You are welcome.

      The yield in 1804 was 5 centner / ha, and in 1906 ... the same 5 centners. From the same hectare. For a hundred years, no progress. And in the 1912th - also five.

      Yes, they generally "killed" the village. Productivity in 1804 was 5 centner / ha, and in 1891, 4,5 centners. Over 85 years, a drop of 10 percent !!!

      Well, what, Olgovich, discuss the rest of your tales? Only objectively?
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        Quote: crashing
        Your whole comment is a set of rather strange statements. Some of them are just a lie, some indicate your lack of understanding of what you are writing about.

        Less Chatter.
        Quote: crashing
        In particular, about the "productivity". "Productivity" of what? Rye? The potato? Oats? Or you don't bother
        on this occasion. Type, "productivity" of a crop.

        cereal of course. Doesn’t get why?
        Quote: crashing
        From this graph you can see that you are just a cheater manipulating numbers.

        Propaganda burkina
        1. not interested
        2. Almost confirms me.
        3. learn data в academic monograph: Rastyannikov V.G., Deryugina I.V. Bread productivity in Russia. M., 2009.. not stupid agitation. If enough, yes.

        only in the fabulously rich 1937 did the yield exceed 1913 and ...military 1915 yes and caught up with 1913 1956 only g, although AFTER him there were years with MORE low productivity.
        and this is during tractorization. chemicalization and so forth.
        Quote: crashing
        Well, what, Olgovich, discuss the rest of your tales? Only objectively?

        lol
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          Quote: Olgovich
          Learn the facts in an academic monograph: Rastyannikov V.G., Deryugina I.V.

          Olgovich, you would at least look at what you are referring to; according to them, the yield was 1931-6,7 in 1932-7,0 in 1933-6,7 in the USSR (Russia), which exceeds half of the years in yield under the tsar. 1932 there was a famine, what happened every second year under the king, where is the yield lower? (Higher and also 7,0 -10 years from 1895, the remaining 12 years the yield is worse than 1932)
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            Olgovich, you would at least look at what you are referring to; according to them, the yield was 1931-6,7 in 1932-7,0 in 1933-6,7 in the USSR (Russia), which exceeds half of the years in yield under the tsar. 1932 there was a famine, what happened every second year under the king, where is the yield lower? (Higher and also 7,0 -10 years from 1895, the remaining 12 years the yield is worse than 1932)

            1. The monograph clearly shows: yields of the level of 1913-reached ONLY by 1956.
            This is a failure and disaster, given the rapid development of technology, mechanization, fertilizers and chemistry ..
            2. Your surprise comes from ignorance: the yield of 32 g was not bad, but the yield -did not have (although it was already taken into account as .... assembled, it was considered in the bud in the field) ..
            In grain districts, there was an accelerated collectivization, which led to:
            - the mass exodus of millions of peasants - there weren’t enough people to look after him (ruined by weeds) and collect — a lot of bread went into the snow uncleared, although even the army was attracted
            - mass slaughter of cattle (oxen), reduction of horses, which made it difficult to transport bread and huge losses
            - A huge amount of bread was stored in ... open areas, which led to his death.

            eventually-real there was only so much bread; how many were required to be handed over to the state. At the same time, the norms of change were even REDUCED compared to 31!

            In the Veshensky district, according to Sholokhov, to Stalin, more bread was taken for state deliveries than was harvested ... the crop!

            this is how famine came.
        2. Foul skeptic 14 March 2019 17: 44 New
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          Learn the facts in an academic monograph: Rastyannikov V.G., Deryugina I.V. Bread productivity in Russia. M., 2009.

          1) No matter how much "research" has been written on this topic, all authors in their "reasoning" can only proceed from data published previously. It is impossible to recalculate these data now - you will not return to the past. So each new edition does not confirm the previous one, but merely repeats.
          2) To cite any numbers indiscriminately methods for obtaining numbers - it makes no sense. What do you think, how is the yield measurement method when an official chooses not random ones in the volost, but which ones he decides 6 yards of "landlord" and 6 "peasant" (0,6-4% of the number of yards) how objective? Even without taking into account the "human factor" of the checking officer. It is easier to keep records on collective farms; therefore, the picture on collective farms should also correspond to reality more. And now they like to compare the "barn" amount of grain, and not "on the vine." Like so more precisely. Only everyone forgets to take into account that in the USSR “barn” grain is grain after settlement with MTS. The data is a quarter understated, but who cares.
          3) "Posts" can not be restored. All modern "researchers" introduce an indicator of "underestimation" based only on their "conscience / unscrupulousness."
          4) What an interesting table III-6 in this book.
          Grain harvest, mln tons Grain export, mln tons
          +1911 1913 66,8 11
          +1928 1930 76,2 1,7
          How interesting to figure something out.
          There was grain in the country
          in 1911-1913 66,8-11 = 55,8 million tons
          in 1928-1930 76,2-1,7 = 74,5 million tons
          Country Population
          1913 163,7 million hours
          1929 154,2 million hours
          We get that per person (excluding the class nature of the difference in consumption in the Republic of Ingushetia) it turned out
          in 1913 55,8 / 163,7 = 340 kg
          in 1929 74,5 / 154,2 = 483 kg
          It turns out that it was not “only” in 1956 that they began to eat as much bread as in 1913? How is that? Or where did the bread go? Burned like overseas, or what? Or did he pour the party elite in the cellar and chew it at night? Where did he have to go, so that people would not get.
          5) Another interesting application 3.1 in this book.
          No one ever takes productivity in a year when something is compared with something - the influence of the climate will introduce great inaccuracy. Therefore, let's check the average yield for seven years, even taking on faith the data on annual productivity (see paragraph 2 above). Why on "seven years"? At the end of the book, the notes say - about the "short" eight-year cycles of climate influence, so you need to take less than 8, so as not to fall on the second lower extremum of the cycle. so
          Cycle Average Yield
          1894-1900 6,7 c / g
          1901-1907 6,6 c / g
          1908-1914 7,4 c / g
          1923-1929 7,6 c / g
          1930-1936 6,8 c / g
          1937-1942 6,9 c / g
          Numbers as numbers, I don’t see anything terrible.
          and this is during tractorization. chemicalization and so forth.

          Very good point.
          It turns out one of two things.
          1) "mechanization, nitriding, selection, etc." pointless - since the yield has not increased.
          But is that not so? Not this way. A tractor and a plow with a massive share share turns the layers deeper. Yes? Yes. Does it increase yield? Yes. Does fertilizing restore fertility? Yes? Yes. It turns out some kind of paradox.
          2) Maybe something is wrong with the statistics? For example, see point 2 again.

          6) Very interesting application 4.
          The state collected 32,4% of grain from peasants in the form of compulsory deliveries plus 2% of the single agricultural tax. Total almost 35%.
          And, for example, in the USA only income tax since 1932 was for individuals - 55%. And then taxes only increased until 1961, when Kennedy came and at once lowered them by 20-30%.
          All market enthusiasts, even the Soviet era like Bukharin at the beginning or Shmelev at the end of the USSR, say that it was necessary to regulate the collection of grain from the population at sunset of the NEP, not by state regulation and collective farms, but by an increase in taxes.
          Well, well, I would like to see how it would end.
          1. Olgovich 15 March 2019 07: 54 New
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            Quote: A vile skeptic
            2) It’s pointless to give any numbers indiscriminately to the method of obtaining numbers. What do you think, how is the yield measurement method when an official chooses not random ones in the volost, but which ones he decides 6 yards of "landlord" and 6 "peasant" (0,6-4% of the number of yards) how objective? Even without taking into account the "human factor" of the checking officer. It is easier to keep records on collective farms; therefore, the picture on collective farms should also correspond to reality more.

            That's right, you need to compare comparable figures reduced to a single denominator.

            Which is what the monograph MADE.

            what, for example, is an absolutely crazy method of counting ... standing in the wild, with the WILD losses of "effective" collective farms during transportation and storage?
            Before the revolution, on the contrary, there was an underestimation of the grain, for the peasants were not interested in giving a full deal.
            Quote: A vile skeptic
            It turns out that it was not “only” in 1956 that they began to eat as much bread as in 1913? How is that? Or where did the bread go?

            in the HUNDRED groove I refer you to the Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR of 1955, which indicates the CONSUMPTION per capita by years i.e. REALLY reached the consumer bread. And it was possible to eat it, as in 1913, only in the 1950s.
            Where did the bread go? “effective” collective farms and state organizations lost them during transportation, were rotted during storage, and they were destroyed during processing
            Quote: A vile skeptic
            It turns out one of two things.
            1) "mechanization, nitriding, selection, etc." pointless - since the yield has not increased.
            But is that not so? Not this way. A tractor and a plow with a massive share share turns the layers deeper. Yes? Yes. Does it increase yield? Yes. Does fertilizing restore fertility? Yes? Yes. It turns out some kind of paradox.
            2) Maybe something is wrong with the statistics? For example, see point 2 again.

            The paradox of ignorance: if the collective farmer does not give a damn about the result of labor on the collective farm, then at least on a tractor, even with chemistry, there will be no result
            Everything is simple
            Quote: A vile skeptic
            1894-1900 6,7 c / g
            1901-1907 6,6 c / g
            1908-1914 7,4 c / g
            1923-1929 7,6 c / g
            1930-1936 6,8 c / g
            1937-1942 6,9 c / g
            Numbers like numbers nothing scaryOh, I don’t see.

            It is terrible and very-WHY did they carry out wild collectivization, broke the fate and life of tens of millions of peasants, exiled millions, killed hundreds of thousands? to stay .... the same numbers ..? More truly, BELOW imperial. Shame ....
            1. Foul skeptic 15 March 2019 17: 21 New
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              Which one denominator?
              In the book for the period of the USSR, the authors in the final tables on productivity from 1795 to 2007 give the values ​​of "barn" productivity, after, as you say, "wild losses during collection and transportation", the table on page 40 tells you directly . What makes you think that the data for RI are the same? Rastyannikov and Deryugin take figures from Kondratiev, who did not walk along the fields with a tape measure and weights, he took data from the CSK for his book. And there was nowhere to take more from - either the TsSK or the Department of Agriculture. To have an idea of ​​how CSK received this data, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with:
              1) Materials on the organization of the collection of agricultural statistical information. SPb., 1903.
              2) Firsov P. Zemsky organization of current crop statistics / / Bulletin of Finance,
              industry and commerce. The part is unofficial. 1901. No. 1
              3) Organization of agricultural statistics of the Ministry of Agriculture and State Property / / Bulletin of Finance, Industry and Trade. 1901. No. 2
              4) Notes of the Imperial Russian Geographical Society.
              By branch of statistics. T. XIV; Ivantsov D.N. To criticism of Russian crop statistics: the experience of analyzing some official and zemstvo current data. Pg., 1915
              5) Vinogradova N.M. Russian crop statistics (organization and methods) // Bulletin of statistics. 1925

              Here is a brief summary of the following:
              1) In November, the provinces receive forms from the Ministry of Internal Affairs stating that no later than December 20, it is necessary to provide information on the yield of the main grain crops for each volost. To collect this information, you must “immediately send the forms of two attached forms, three of each form to each parish ... so that they are met: one for three owner or tenant economies, others for three peasant. (then the number of forms was increased from 3 + 3 to 6 + 6). Each statement was divided into two sections: "Information about sowing" and "Information about the crop." In the first section, it was required to indicate: “How many tithes were ... under ...” (the list of grain crops went on). In the second section: “How much yield was given in quarters for sowing bread” (for each crop) and “How much was given in average complexity”.
              2) CSK forms were filled in by the volost clerk THE WORDS individual owners. What kind of circus was going on at the same time, you can read from the direct participant "IP Belokonsky. Village impressions (from Zemsky statistics notes). St. Petersburg: 1909". What kind of objectivity of measurements can we talk about - months after the collection, after the sale of part of the grain, ask about how much it was ?!
              3) More affluent farms were chosen, in which the crop was better. See the report of V.G. Mikhailovsky "Crops in Russia in 1801-1914. - “In general, the numbers are lower, the greater the number of testimonies, which depends on the level of correspondent households; with a small number, information on more cultivated and best-set farms usually prevails ”. You can read from Belokonsky firsthand about why this happened again.
              3) the peasants underestimated the data not on the yield of bread, but on the marketability of the bread, which is a big difference - for the peasant it made sense to underestimate only how much he sold (!) Grain.
              4) the record was kept in QUARTERS (!!!), moreover, how many of each particular peasant had grain in his "personally made old woman" quarter of sackcloth placed CSK never investigated. The capacity of the “official” quarter was constantly increasing. There is not a single official calculation of the reasons for such an increase (which, incidentally, Rasstyannikova and Deryugina said, but not taken into account)
              5) CSK did not know how much land was generally given for crops! "Cadastres" had nothing to do with reality. Peasants hid that they increased arable land at the expense of pastures and forests, so as not to increase their taxes. Regardless - communal land or not. This was periodically opened and the cycle started anew (if it was not possible to give a bribe so that the inspector would not notice). I think you will guess how this affected the final yield figure? If not, I will explain with an example:
              Behind a certain subject in the zemstvo let 10 tithes of land be recorded. In fact, he plowed another 1 tithe. From 11 acres, he indicated to the inspector that he had collected a certain number of quarters, which during the translation became 550 pounds. Since the subject recorded 10 pounds, the statistics, processing the information in the CABINET and not knowing anything about increasing the sowing area, yields a yield of 550/10 = 55 pounds / dec. Although, in fact, the yield is 550/11 = 50 pounds / dec. . In the same Ivantsov’s field investigation, it turned out that the CSK data on sown areas was less than actual by 9%. Here you have an overestimation of the yield of CSK by the same 9%. Show me where Rastyannikova and Deryugin have a correction of this, or at least a mention?
              in the HUNDRED groove I refer you to the Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR of 1955, which indicates the CONSUMPTION per capita by years i.e. REALLY reached the consumer bread. And it was possible to eat it, as in 1913, only in the 1950s.

              Again:
              1) you ignore the method of obtaining numbers. Therefore, the word REAL is inappropriate at all.
              2) you see only one table and ignore the text part
              And even then, the statement "they could eat in 1913 only in the 1950s" does not correspond to reality. For what reasons did you decide not to notice the column "1928"? Then it turns out that “they could only eat in 1913 only in the 1950s” - a lie? Lying. And absolutely impudent. This time.
              Now two.
              You do not draw conclusions from what was written about changing the food model. A person (normal) eats either as much as he can, because there is no money for more, or as much as is necessary in accordance with energy costs. Well, shout then, that in 2019 in Russia bread is half as much eaten as in 1913? Maybe because in 1913 it was necessary to cover energy costs with food in the equivalent of 5 kcal, in the 000s 30 kcal, and now 4000 kcal?
              Let's move on to three.
              You do not draw conclusions from what has been written about the correction of consumption by class. The note clearly says - the average nutritional data of the population of Tsarist Russia ... derived from heterogeneous quantitiescharacterizing consumption different classes societies
              And below is the table "The nutrition of workers and peasants in 1954 averaged per capita in relation to the pre-revolutionary period (in percent)"
              Given these data, weakly correlate the table? I’m even ready to do it for you (data in kg, only eggs in pieces)

              In your period, one parameter falls by 5-10%, while others increase by 50-200% (!!!), and you are talking about a decrease in nutrition? Only in 37 three parameters became lower, but the overall energy balance is still a big plus.
              So, at least 90,4% of the population has become much better. Moreover, not even from 1928 (just specifically this table of this note started in 1928), but at the turn of 1925/1926. And what you have.
              to stay .... the same numbers ..? More truly, BELOW imperial. Shame ....

              They are COMPARABLE. And they only reflect the GROSS fee. The demon is in the details. You swear at the “barn” method, but for some reason do not swear that Rastyannikov and Deryugin give “gross” figures, and not “clean” ones? Let me explain - Net fee is the barn minus the seed fund for next year. And then a factor appears on the scene as germination
              And here the numbers become quite interesting. In Appendix 4 of the same Rastyannikov and Deryugina, we see that on collective farms the seed stock amounted to 12% of the crop. That is, one planted grain produced eight grains (although it could give biologically 37-50 grains, theoretically 12-17 grains). In 1910-1914, one planted grain produced 4-6 grains. Therefore, in order not to collect less harvest next year and not fall into a vicious circle, the peasant is forced to increase the seed fund due to grain that he would eat or sell. Namely, up to 100 / (4-6) = 16,6-25%
              That is, in order to compare the net, not the gross, we need this data
              1894-1900 6,7 c / g
              1901-1907 6,6 c / g
              1908-1914 7,4 c / g
              1923-1929 7,6 c / g
              1930-1936 6,8 c / g
              1937-1942 6,9 c / g

              still adjust by (16,6-25) -12 = 4,6-13% or an average of 8,8%
              1901-1907 6 c / g
              1908-1914 6,7 c / g
              1923-1929 7,6 c / g
              1930-1936 6,8 c / g
              1937-1942 6,9 c / g
              Here are so many centners per hectare of peasants could use after the harvest, although the total harvest could be higher. More than this figure - couldotherwise, next year I would have collected less, and in a year - even less, and in a year - teeth on the shelf.
              1. Foul skeptic 15 March 2019 18: 00 New
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                still adjust by (16,6-25) -12 = 4,6-13% or an average of 8,8%
                1901-1907 6 c / g
                1908-1914 6,7 c / g
                1923-1929 7,6 c / g
                1930-1936 6,8 c / g
                1937-1942 6,9 c / g

                I have incorrectly presented this table, I apologize. I did not copy the first line. And it’s more logical not to change to a delta of 8,8%, and apply a correction factor to each line, to the first three on average (16,6 + 25) / 2 = 20,8%, to the next three 12%
                1894-1900 5,3 c / g
                1901-1907 5,3 c / g
                1908-1914 5,9 c / g
                1923-1929 6,7 c / g
                1930-1936 6,0 c / g
                1937-1942 6,1 c / g
                That was so much left to the collective farmer
                1. Olgovich 16 March 2019 09: 37 New
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                  That was so much left to the collective farmer

                  I remember: February 1933, the congress of collective farmers, many thousands of peasants die daily (peak hunger), the party (you) declared: "We made them wealthy"

                  that’s how much you left at the disposal of the collective farmer.

                  And more:
                  51% of all agricultural products provided household plots residents of the country, occupying as a whole only 2-3% of farmland (38% gave plots to collective farmers, another 13% - workers and employees). These same patches of land accounted for62% of livestock products (collective farmers - 46%, workers and employees - 16%). These are average values ​​- in some regions, production in the private sector could be much higher. Naturally, yields and productivity were 2-4 times higher than those of collective farms and state farms

                  Beznin M.A. The peasant yard of the Russian Non-Black Earth Region in 1950-1965 // Domestic History. 1992. No 3
                  a disgrace ....
              2. Olgovich 16 March 2019 09: 28 New
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                Quote: A vile skeptic
                Which one denominator?
                In the book for the period of the USSR, the authors in the final tables on productivity from 1795 to 2007 give the values ​​of precisely “barn” productivity

                ONE
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                What kind of objectivity of measurements can we talk about - months after the collection, after the sale of part of the grain, ask about how much it was ?!

                About the usual. Why not?
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                Peasants hid that they increased arable land at the expense of pastures and forests, so as not to increase their taxes.

                No chatter - How much and how did it affect the result
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                the peasants underestimated the data not on the yield of bread, but on the marketability of the bread, which is a big difference - for the peasant it made sense to underestimate only how much he sold (!) grain.

                And the number of sold on the yield does not depend, yes.
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                I think you will guess how this affected the final yield figure? If not, I will explain with an example:

                I think that your FOODS do not affect statistics in any way.
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                you see only one table and ignore the text part

                Does she ... refute the table? lol
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                And even then, the statement "they could eat in 1913 only in the 1950s" does not correspond to reality. For what reasons did you decide not to notice the column "1928"? Then it turns out that “they could only eat in 1913 only in the 1950s” - a lie? Lying. And absolutely impudent.

                What relation do you, admirers, have to ... NEP ?! fool NEP is anti-Stalinism, anti-communism, mercilessly destroyed in the bud, which led to wild hunger up to 50 years.
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                Well, shout then, that in 2019 in Russia bread is half as much eaten as in 1913?

                What for?! Changed the power model to the side you know what. And if in the West it changed more than STA years ago - towards meat, milk, eggs 9 with constant progress), then you are in the 30s collapsed the other way-lowering these products, saving ... potatoes. fool
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                Only in 37 three parameters became lower, but the overall energy balance is still a big plus.

                You're lying, insolent, moreover. Wild the failure of meat, milk, fish, etc. PEOPLE themselves were FORCIDATED by the fact that they were able to grow POTATOES to save themselves from starvation. According to her and growth
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                So, at least 90,4% of the population has become much better.

                yeah, before the revolution 3% ate 90% of meat and milk lol
                your lie is refuted by the tables of the Report.
                there is a calorie intake in the RSFSR in ..1954, as much as 2890 kcal / person.
                to BOP-3100 kcal (Chayanov
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                They are COMPARABLE.

                These numbers have FAILED: in the decades after 1913, a REVOLUTION in agricultural / agricultural technologies took place, and only your numbers remained BELOW before the DoVOR.
                Shame on you!
                1. Foul skeptic 17 March 2019 23: 28 New
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                  I remember: February 1933

                  This is a clinic
                  that's how much you left at the disposal of the collective farmer

                  So it’s not me, it’s Rastyannikov and Deryugin indicated by you.
                  Beznin M.A. The peasant yard of the Russian Non-Black Earth Region in 1950-1965 // Domestic History. 1992. No 3
                  a disgrace ....

                  A disgrace is to give the text copied from the garbage sites for the contents of the book. Gasoline does not have the text you quoted in this book.
                  ONE

                  Common.
                  About the usual. Why not?

                  Because you can say anything.
                  No chatter - How much and how did it affect the result

                  up to 9% in 1915
                  And the number of sold on the yield does not depend, yes.

                  Do not believe it, but no. Only sets the maximum bar - you can’t sell more than the grown. Depends on the value of the costs of the economy, which are covered from the sale of products. But the tax depends on the amount sold. Therefore, for the inspector, we eat grain ourselves, feed the cattle, leave for seeds, repay debts, but do not sell.
                  Does she ... refute the table?

                  She refutes your words.
                  And the table supplements and explains.
                  What relation do you, admirers, have to ... NEP ?! fool NEP is ANTI-Stalinism, ANTI-communism

                  What kind of tantrum? Is this the soviet period? Soviet. In the table it is, which you cite as "evidence" - is. Was 1928 until the 1950s? Yes. So you lied? Yes.
                  Changed the power model to the side you know what. And if in the West it changed more than STA years ago - towards meat, milk, eggs 9 with continuous progress), then in the 30s you collapsed in the opposite direction - lowering these products

                  So the report shows that in the USSR the model also changed in comparison with the pre-revolutionary time in the direction of increasing the number of vegetables and animal proteins.
                  You're lying, insolent, moreover. Wild failure in meat, milk, fish, etc.

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                  All data from the source that you provide as evidence.
                  Compared to 1913, in 1937 the workers and peasants ate 1,8 kg less meat, 3 kg more fish, 63,8 kg more milk. Protein balance = (-0,468 + 0,450 + 2,169) = 2,187 kg of protein in plus compared to 1913. All from the source that you yourself brought.
                  yeah, before the revolution 3% ate 90% of meat and milk lol
                  there is a calorie intake in the RSFSR in ..1954, as much as 2890 kcal / person.
                  to BOP-3100 kcal (Chayanov

                  1) Did I write somewhere that 3% ate 90% of the meat? These are your ceiling figures. And according to the report that you cited, 9,6% ate 26.7% of meat. That is, not 1 to 30, like yours, but 1 to 2,8 - that is, you overestimate reality 10,7 times.
                  2) First, one cannot compare the soft with the round - in the report, calorie consumption is "average for a hospital" for all ages, without gender and occupational divisions, while Chayanov’s figure is for an adult male peasant. So it doesn’t.
                  Secondly, it is pointless to consider calorie consumption without calorie expenditure. You said about the received 3100 kcal, but you forgot about the costs. Although the report that you cite, they are given as an example - on average, during various agricultural operations, 5 - 000 kcal.
                  These numbers have FAILED: in the decades after 1913, a REVOLUTION in agricultural / agricultural technologies took place, and only your numbers remained BELOW

                  6 less than 5,9? (I don’t remember about the methodology for determining these figures)
  6. erased 14 March 2019 08: 08 New
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    That's right they want to ban free internet. And then people of such articles begin, make a simple conclusion about what could be today, envy the ancestors and begin to demand a return to the Stalinist methods of governing the country. How then to steal from the treasury and rob Russia? How to manage people if they don’t want to be more. So it is not far from the repetition of 1917.
    And it’s better to forget about Stalin, because against his background all current nanogeny and defective managers look wretched. The real enemies of the people. And what about the enemies? True, fed buns in sanatoriums in the Kolyma. Or where it is closer, but smeared a forehead with brilliant green. So stop telling the truth and balamamut people.
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      make a simple conclusion about what could be today, envy the ancestors and begin to demand a return to the Stalinist methods of governing the country

      Aren't you funny yourself? That's exactly what they are not afraid of, so this is what you said.
  7. Obi-Wan Kenobi 14 March 2019 08: 35 New
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    Our tsar and Ko I.V. Stalin are not suitable for soles. The wrong caliber and the wrong scale of ideas, and most importantly, the timing and quality of their implementation.
    That is why our government so I.V. Stalin both hates and defames his bright name!
    But our king is also not eternal. And then, after ... we will see a lot of interesting things and hear about our sunflower. He then did the business more of Yeltsin-drunk.
    1. Andrey VOV 14 March 2019 08: 45 New
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      And give examples, well, at least five, what Putin has done worse than Yeltsin?
      1. Obi-Wan Kenobi 14 March 2019 08: 54 New
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        First of all.
        What does Putin have to do with it? Where did you see the word Putin, huh? Throw me this anti-Soviet!
        Banned yet because of you!
        I generally wrote about Gurbanguly Myalikgulyevich Berdimuhamedov. Great Turkmen king!
        And secondly.
        Wait and see. Every next king in our country loves to tell and expose about the previous one.
        1. Andrey VOV 14 March 2019 09: 04 New
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          Ah, well, if you are talking about Turkmenistan, but I don’t understand, I accidentally thought that the bells trembled to write
          1. Obi-Wan Kenobi 14 March 2019 09: 07 New
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            You understood perfectly.
            And no, they did not tremble.
            I already had 2 warnings, but it’s interesting on the site, so I don’t want to be kicked out.
            1. Andrey VOV 14 March 2019 09: 09 New
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              I have 9 and for a month the right to comment was closed, and I didn’t express myself with obscenities ... just to say something, at least give arguments and facts, even if it sounds slogan, but how it turned out
  8. BAI
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    Honestly, one-sided assessments, to put it mildly, are tiring. Either everything is good, or everything is bad. Will there be an objective analysis?
    1. Olgovich 14 March 2019 09: 29 New
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      Honestly, one-sided assessments, to put it mildly, are tiring. Either everything is good, or everything is bad. Will there be an objective analysis?

      here I agree and that's it! +
    2. Gardamir 14 March 2019 10: 00 New
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      Will there be an objective analysis?
      It's impossible. Everyone has addictions. Can you say objectively about the Putin years, but about the Yeltsin years? Well, so on.
      1. BAI
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        So then maybe not write, since there is no objectivity? As there is a classic: "Face to face you can’t see. Big is seen in the distance."
        Well, society in general and authors are not ready, with commentators who have joined them, in particular, to an objective assessment of those events. Even the king is too early to discuss.
  9. Stalnov I.P. 14 March 2019 09: 59 New
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    STALIN - A Lump and its projects, decisions in the economic sphere are thought out and calculated, backed up by political will. This is the reason for such a growth of the economy that neither anyone, nor China, nor India can repeat. Moreover, the “creators and leaders” of today's Russian economy, not the political will of the first person, are not smart, professional, honest. honest, loyal to the Fatherland and PEOPLE leaders. That is why they howl all, because they will never succeed in surpassing what Stalin achieved. Wrong people!
  10. colotun 14 March 2019 10: 23 New
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    And Stalin put the STAFF QUESTION at the head of the solution of all issues. Say, an unrealistically difficult next task was posed - and Stalin, in order to solve it, appointed the director of the enterprise or plant such a specialist who promised to do this and gave him a certain amount of time for promotion and looked at the result. If there was no good result, then he changed this manager without regret for another. And as a result of such a social elevator, very talented managers who created this ECONOMIC MIRACLE worked as directors on important posts
    1. Sergej1972 14 March 2019 14: 19 New
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      Judging by the fact that his closest comrade-in-arms, Malenkov, began speaking at closed party meetings a few days after Stalin’s death (Malenkov, not Khrushchev, by the way!), The cadres were peculiar about fighting the Stalin personality cult.
  11. midshipman 14 March 2019 10: 45 New
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    Thank you, Alexander. My ancestors put all their strength into the development of the country at that period. Kowtow to them.
  12. victor50 14 March 2019 10: 51 New
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    At the same time, during the “great purge”, it was possible to return part of the capital, money that had previously been taken out by representatives of the “elite” abroad. These funds also went to development.
    Do you have facts? What "elite" do you mean?
    After the Great War, the Soviet Union did not ruin itself in a hopeless race with the United States and the West, building hundreds of heavy bombers - “flying fortresses”, dozens of aircraft carriers.
    About bombers - not true. They built, even the B-29 was urgently copied. The aircraft carriers did not know how, I think this is the primary reason why they did not build, and then it really seemed that the need was gone - ICBMs appeared.
    And in general, the article does not draw on serious analysis, it looks like a set of slogans. Although the described Plans were and were being implemented. To say that they were impeccable, I think, is an exaggeration. Although grandeur and beauty delight! But it is completely not shown, but what was happening in the capitalist world at this time? Science achievements were not used there? What, everything collapsed at that time? It seems to me that neither the USSR nor I.V. Stalin does not need such cheap advertising. And in outright falsification, or at least serious inaccuracy: So, in the Stalin years, the priority was in the construction of small inter-collective farm hydroelectric power plants, which provided cheap electricity. Mini-hydroelectric power stations saved oil and coal, and did not inflict as much environmental damage as large hydroelectric power stations.
    Resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers of August 21, 1950 "On the construction of the Kuibyshev hydroelectric power station on the Volga River" [3].
    Resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers of August 31, 1950 "On the construction of the Stalingrad hydroelectric power station on the river. Volga ... The planned capacity of the Kuibyshev and Stalingrad hydroelectric power plants amounted to 3,7 million kW, which made it possible to generate an average of 20 billion kWh, and at that time they should have been the largest stations in the world. The planned capacity of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station was planned at 250 thousand kW with electricity generation of about 1 billion kWh. Tsimlyansk hydroelectric power station - capacity 160 thousand kW. In Western Turkmenistan, three hydroelectric power plants with a total capacity of 100 kW were to be built on the planned Main Turkmenian Canal [7].
    Well, Khrushchev you as an employee of the NKVD in modern films about the war! laughing
    Although the post-war years and until the mid-80s - to study and study! Achievements are incredible! This is what universal free secondary and free higher education gives in several decades! But, unfortunately, this period is described either in a laudatory style, as in this article, or the achievements are hushed up, downplayed, to the extent that they did not exist (except for galoshes they did not produce anything! request )
    1. wooja 14 March 2019 12: 09 New
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      objectivity is a good quality ... and the truth is that the article is quite popular, agitational, but it is also necessary to launder socialism. The bizarre connections of money, the Bolsheviks and their opponents and allies, intelligence - all this has a place to be, like Khrushchev’s policy, is not as unambiguous as it is customary to think ... but the backstage will remain a secret - there is a signature stamp on it - before reading burn ..
  13. wooja 14 March 2019 11: 21 New
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    yes, the author managed to question the myths about industrialization ...., and correctly, the Article questions the current development strategy of the country and the chosen course ... that, in general, the efficiency of the modern Russian economy is low, but the other side of the issue is that neither high rates nor efficiency are in demand, the goal of the country's leadership is to integrate into the existing world economic system and the place for the country has already been determined ..., the Stalinist model implied confrontation and the creation of an alternative economic model, the economy was built under it, the real multipolar world ... rather than stupid monopolism modestly called globalization.
    1. Mcar 14 March 2019 13: 43 New
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      Quote: wooja
      The article casts doubt on modern strategy development countries and selected course

      Do they have these strategies with a course? Lying under the West is not a development. Or there you have a typo and you should read "modern strategy destruction country"?
      1. wooja 14 March 2019 15: 29 New
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        To lie to the west is also a form of development, as the Russian leadership believes, and what words are used is another question
  14. Nestorych 14 March 2019 11: 37 New
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    No need to talk about second place, we objectively shared the third with Germany, despite the fact that it had much less resources.)

    The main thing lies in the field of non-material!
    “People are ready to patiently endure the most severe laws, if they see that they are equally rigorously applied to absolutely all walks of life. But as soon as a layer of the untouchables appears and everything begins to crumble. First, murmur, then rebellion. of the fact that they are required to comply with laws that are not followed by those who set them. Therefore, if you really want to convince people to follow some rules that you set, take the habit of following them yourself. "
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      1. Nestorych 14 March 2019 14: 24 New
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        Because the article must be read, where the author talks about the 37th year! tongue
        1. victor50 14 March 2019 14: 51 New
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          Quote: Nestorych
          Because the article must be read, where the author talks about the 37th year!

          Yes, I missed this blunder. Caught on the general background of the article. Excuse me.
  15. Sergej1972 14 March 2019 14: 08 New
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    About MTS and virgin lands do not agree. MTS has outlived itself. By the way, for the author’s information, MTS was served only by collective farms. At state farms that were before the beginning of the 60s. much larger than collective farms, had its own fleet of cars and tractors. In principle, some millionaire collective farms had their own trucks and tractors, but there were very few such farms.
    In addition, MTS were transformed into RTS. who were now engaged in the repair and maintenance of agricultural machinery on collective farms and state farms.
    1. Alexander Greene 15 March 2019 01: 38 New
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      MTS has outlived itself

      MTS were state enterprises and the equipment belonged to the state. MTS participated in the production of agricultural products (plowed, sowed, threshed), collective farms paid for it with their harvest, which MTS also handed over to the state, like collective farms.
      Then Khrushchev considered that the collective farms themselves could maintain their equipment, and they sold it to collective farms; and MTS was transformed into RTS (repair and technical station).
      This was the beginning of the end of the Soviet agricultural economy: the collective farm had to pay for the equipment, there was no repair base, therefore, it was necessary to pay the RTS, which now did not depend on the final product, but only on the amount of repair performed, from which a new "ideology" was born: " Why repair quality? To get less? "
      The collective farms had to include the cost of equipment in the price of their products, as a result, in 1961, prices for all agricultural products began to rise.
  16. 1970mk 14 March 2019 14: 49 New
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    Very funny! The country RISED)))) From the knees))) And she was on her knees? The country was growing ... Yeah-yeah ... due to what? Go and work at all FOR FREE! And everything rises)))) And you will work poorly, in the CASES re-educate if you survive! Forward))
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    Quote: 1970mk
    And you’ll work poorly, in the CASES re-educate if you survive!

    Yes, you see, you reread the excess of our contemporary “everything”, that is, Solzhenitsyn. According to the writing style, he is on a par with Elena Blavatsky, the same "brain removal". Less read all sorts of pseudo-historical fantasies of our "truth-seekers" save the brain. The fact that the country and the country's economy were “profiled” we safely is an objective reality.
  18. Dmitry Kuzin 14 March 2019 17: 28 New
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    there are no secrets, the overexploitation of people, forced and urgently necessary, because of the robberies of communism (bashfully called military), the export of a piece of gold to its owners on Wall Street and London City .... yes, by the accounts and burial sites hiccuped .... by the way the unfinished was concessioned to the Americans and the British, Joseph Vissarionovich then with difficulty got rid of them (just like Sakhalin-2)
  19. bandabas 14 March 2019 18: 52 New
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    Corn is certainly a good thing, but not beyond the Arctic Circle. It was Khrushchev and others like him who began the destruction of the USSR.
    1. Dmitry Kuzin 15 March 2019 06: 06 New
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      The USSR began to perish at the time of its creation, for Russia was cut into pieces and people were "rooted" and local elites were created, those in the RSFSR did not have their own Communist Party and the Academy of Sciences, here are "little brothers" and parasitized on the Russian people, and Ukrainians as representatives of numerous communist parties and privatized power
  20. Nitarius 15 March 2019 05: 30 New
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    no price to Stalin! THE GENIUS of his time ... Right now, we have about a dozen of these ... that would be LIVING))) Stalin's plans must be returned to a new base
    1. Dmitry Kuzin 15 March 2019 05: 57 New
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      I personally respect Joseph Vissarionovich, first of all, because he turned the Bolsheviks into camp dust, shot their leaders, and awarded the Leninist with a name ice ax! and thereby saved Russia from the lackeys of the world Jewish banking bourgeoisie! and it was after Trotsky’s expulsion that the Jewish bankers began to finance another socialist Hitler! And this is why the liberal Trotskyists and other rubbish so hate it
  21. Dmitry Kuzin 15 March 2019 05: 48 New
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    Quote: AK1972
    Quote: Olgovich
    BE ABLE to search for allies in the surrounding heterogeneous world, BE ABLE to understand that enemies are often enemies among themselves and use this.

    And the standard of this SKILL was the great diplomat and statesman, so adored by Olgovich, Nicholas II, who mediocrely drove two wars as a result of a skillful search for allies, and later the country.

    and the Bolsheviks and other Socialist-Revolutionaries drank beer in Geneva? didn’t switch arms to the side of the enemies of Russia?
  22. Ross xnumx 15 March 2019 11: 50 New
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    Khrushchev put forward his radical, ill-conceived and destructive plan: a sharp expansion of sown areas due to the development of virgin lands. The results were sad.

    there is something to compare. He was at the harvest in 1982 in Khromtau. There, the crop yield was 6 centners per hectare, when in those years in Kuzbass the productivity reached 14-16 centners per hectare, and in Altai they were all 25 ... Yes, and now there are so many abandoned arable lands in the country that, with an economic approach, the country is just would bathe in the grain. If, for example, there is a rotational method for oil production, why cannot this method be implemented in agriculture? The farmer is able to cultivate several hundred hectares, and at the same time it is not necessary to build a village with all the relying infrastructure in this place ...
    The most important thing that Stalin sought was:
    “It is necessary to achieve such a cultural growth of society that would ensure all members of the society comprehensive development of their physical and mental abilities, so that members of the society have the opportunity to receive an education sufficient to become active workers in social development, so that they can freely choose their profession, and not to be confined for life, due to the existing division of labor, to one profession.
    What is required for this? It would be wrong to think that it is possible to achieve such a serious cultural growth of members of society without major changes in the current situation of labor. To do this, first of all, reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is necessary so that members of society receive enough free time necessary to receive a comprehensive education. For this, it is necessary, further, to introduce compulsory polytechnic training necessary for so that members of society have the opportunity to freely choose a profession and not be confined for life to one profession. For this, it is necessary, further, to radically improve housing conditions and raise the real salary of workers and employees at least twice, if not more, both by directly raising the cash salary and, especially, by further systematically lowering the prices of consumer goods. ”
  23. Vital 19 March 2019 17: 39 New
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    how romantic, how romantic. And the collective farmers are no longer slaves of the system, and there was no Gulag at the construction sites of the century, there was no famine in Kazakhstan, Ukraine and the Volga region, there was no American genius Khan who in the pre-war time and during the war transferred and organized production in more than 400 ah factories and factories! But what about without Anglo-American help on Lend-Lease? Would they really have mastered the invasion of an allied Germany ?!
  24. Forever so 3 May 2019 12: 47 New
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    I don’t understand why publish such articles ?? For whom?? We already know all this, but Putin-Medvedev's main task is to turn Russia into a cemetery from which the Judeo-Anglo-Saxons can easily take resources. Oh yes, “to leave 16 million Russians to service OUR gas wells” (Margaret Thatcher 1998. British Prime Minister) Over the next 10 years, the population will disappear by 50 million, this is a mass extinction of pensioners, and the results of various Medvedev optimizations in the remnants of rural households. industry, medicine, well, debilitation and anesthesia of those generations that were born.
  25. Stalnov I.P. 8 May 2019 12: 17 New
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    China is the only country that vetoed the resolution of Americans, Anglo-Saxons and Germans in April this year to equate Stalin with Hitler, accusing him of Stalinism and genocide, unfortunately Russia abstained, which speaks of the mediocre domestic policy of the leaders. China is building its economy on the basis of the Stalinist and Mao Dzedong programs and there is a huge result that the US does NOT have because of the liberal, rotten economy policies that are so cared for by those at the top. There are NO Results and WILL NOT BE.
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    It is strange that there is no paragraph about American and German factories in the USSR ....