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The results of the battle with the Air Force of Pakistan can increase the share of the Russian Federation in the arms market in India

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As already reported in one of the morning News on the "Military Review", the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute published another report, which tells about the volume of trade weapons... Among other things, attention was drawn to the statement that over the past five years, the export of Russian arms to India fell by 42 percent. In connection with the data announced by SIPRI, "VO" asked an expert to comment on the situation with the loss of a significant share of Russia in the Indian market.


The results of the battle with the Air Force of Pakistan can increase the share of the Russian Federation in the arms market in India


His comment on whether Russia can regain its lost positions in armaments on the Indian market is given by a person who himself once dealt with issues of military-technical cooperation with India - member of the Presidium of the All-Russian organization "Officers of Russia" Major General Mikhail Makaruk.

According to the expert, it is important to consider not only historical factors of Russian-Indian relations, but also today's realities.

Major General Mikhail Makaruk:

Yes, for a long time the Indian market was dominated by arms supplies from the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation. Today's decline in the percentage of deliveries can be called a natural process. The fact is that the Indian leadership is simply interested in diversifying arms supplies. They want to receive weapons not only from Russia. This decision of New Delhi is understandable, since representatives of Great Britain, France and the United States of America are very, let's say, jealous of India's focus on Russian supplies. Immediately you need to understand that these countries often put forward economic and political claims to India in the framework of cooperation.


According to Makaruk, the Indian leadership is forced to maintain a certain balance in order to maintain its international weight in solving certain problems.

The expert noted that an example of pressure on India is its "indecision" in the implementation of the FGFA fifth generation joint fighter program.

In fact, the latest events related to the air combat between the aircraft of the Indian Air Force and the Pakistani Air Force may in some way change the situation in the Indian market. So, earlier in India there was an opinion that there is no point in localizing the production of American F-16s in the country if these aircraft can be shot down by a far from high-tech air-to-air missile of Soviet design. At the same time, India noted the functionality of the Russian Su-30 fighter, which is also being produced on Indian territory for the needs of the Indian Air Force. The Su-30, as previously claimed in the Indian media, not only got away from the AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles, but was also able to shoot down one of them. This factor can play an important role for India in a new increase in the share of Russian weapons.
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  1. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 11 March 2019 12: 48
    +23
    When the stunts end and the real combat work of the equipment begins, which in reality shows what it is capable of, and of any manufacturing country, then they quickly begin to review priorities in procurement ....
    1. X Y Z
      X Y Z 11 March 2019 13: 01
      +6
      When the stunts end and the real combat work of the equipment begins, which in reality shows what it is capable of, and of any manufacturing country, then they quickly begin to review priorities in procurement ....


      Well yes. Now all weapons are divided into branded (invincible and terrible) and the one with which you can seriously fight. wink
      Everyone gets to their taste.
      1. seti
        seti 11 March 2019 13: 17
        +14
        They forgot to add that India has already bought everything it really needs. This also applies to tanks and fighters. And we were among the sales leaders here. Their fleet also has our significant, though not decisive, part. This applies to their aircraft carrier and frigates. As well as submarines. Now the question is in point deliveries, and this is not the same money at all and there is a lot of competition.
        And of course the fight for a new contract for fighters. We have something to offer the Indians and they know it. The question is technology. They want them, along with production on their territory. Our task is to cut and give a minimum and get a maximum. So, we are waiting for several more years of courting, price knocking, reversals and agreements.
      2. lwxx
        lwxx 11 March 2019 14: 18
        +6
        It is good to serve on American equipment, but it is better to fight on Russian. It was said about helicopters, but I think it fits many types of weapons.
        1. MONTEVIDEO01
          MONTEVIDEO01 11 March 2019 16: 06
          +3
          Speaking of Russian technology, how are things going with the first serial Su-57, which is supposed to get into the troops this year? Finally, the RF Ministry of Defense has certified the real-time information system, only the engines will be of the first stage.
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 11 March 2019 18: 59
          +2
          Serving the same is not so hot. The helicopter pilot told - the year 2013 - 2014 in Afghanistan, on the "Apache" something happened to the electronics, the navigation system was dead. The pilot either did not have a map at all or did not know how to read it and navigate. Our Mi - 8, "on the tail" led him about an hour to the base
        3. northern
          northern 12 March 2019 01: 18
          0
          It is good to serve on American technology

          Have a direct experience? Then impressions in the studio, otherwise - balabol.
          1. Madjestik85
            Madjestik85 12 March 2019 10: 14
            -2
            you don't have to go far for an example. take tanks for example. In American tanks, the air conditioner has been on by default a long time ago, but we have just begun to introduce it on the T-90M. I am generally silent about the free space in the tank.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 11 March 2019 18: 55
      0
      Yes, mattress covers, the same "Lockheed" - masters of advertising. True, then somehow it doesn't turn out very well, but the babosiks are already bye-bye
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 11 March 2019 12: 50
    +5
    The results of the battle with the Air Force of Pakistan can increase the share of the Russian Federation in the arms market in India

    God grant that our calf and the wolf can be eaten.
    On the other hand, not only India is analyzing. I think others, smaller countries will catch up. High-tech weapons that work and in 60 years, still look (Mig21 - in operation 1959).
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 11 March 2019 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      God grant that our calf and the wolf can be eaten.


      If "calves" is Russia, then the saying is not at all relevant

      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 11 March 2019 14: 49
        -2
        Quote: bulvas
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        God grant that our calf and the wolf can be eaten.


        If "calves" is Russia, then the saying is not at all relevant

        And if the military industrial complex, will your heart calm down?
    2. parma
      parma 11 March 2019 13: 46
      +4
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      God grant that our calf and the wolf can be eaten. On the other hand, not only India analyzes. I think others, smaller countries will catch up. High-tech weapons that work and in 60 years, still look (Mig21 - in operation in 1959).

      The MiG-21 "bison" (which India now has) have gone far from 1959 (the first flight of the "Bizon" in 1999, as far as I remember, upgrades took place later), and the F-16 Block 15 (which the Packs have in the majority, went into production in the late 80s) in general, never F-16V Block 72 offered by India ...
      In terms of electronics, the MiG-and probably even more modern will be the "falcons" of the neighbor, and so + - there will probably be equal machines, so I would not be led to these "dances" of India, that the MiG-21 is supposedly better than the F-16, now the price tag throw off and buy F-21 for a tidy sum ...
    3. d1975
      d1975 11 March 2019 14: 32
      0
      Well, they will give you minuses right now, I realized what you wrote! hi Already everything has been confirmed a hundred times that and how American is always better, well, real situations put everything in its place. Soviet is really a quality, even after some time, it still works and how!
      1. parma
        parma 12 March 2019 08: 38
        +1
        Quote: d1975
        Well, they will give you minuses right now, I realized what you wrote! hi Already everything has been confirmed a hundred times that and how American is always better, well, real situations put everything in its place. Soviet is really a quality, even after some time, it still works and how!

        Apparently you misunderstood what I mean ... The point was that the MiG-21-93 aka MiG-21 Bis UPG, aka MiG-21 "Bizon" is already a "ersatz" 4th generation based on the old man's airframe out of 60 -x, which in 2005 very unpleasantly surprised the USAF pilots during a joint exercise .. But in fact, the latest versions of the F-16 are still superior to the "old man" on steroids, but it has nowhere to develop - there is nowhere else to squeeze the potential for modernization, and the gliders themselves, no matter how much they fix, will not become newer, and the OKB abandoned work on new versions, etc. ... And in fact, our country simply has nothing to offer India in terms of an easy (meaning the price tag in the first place) 4th generation MFIs .. MiG-29 / 35 whatever one may say, a medium or not up to a heavy fighter - 2 engines are always expensive to maintain and purchase (and if you remember that initially India just wanted to "buy" Mirage-2000 into its collection, a lot becomes clear), + "service "Our military-industrial complex after 1991 does not boast, the volumes are not the same (especially the MiG) ... + eggs in one basket, especially about "joyfully screaming" in the arms of the main sponsor of another camp, well, in general, it never pleases fans of musicals from the film industry ...
        Rafal will also not be able to win (IMHO, of course), because the French have already refused to be responsible for the quality of the work of Indian hands from the wrong place growing (they got the last tender, as I understand it, because of the desire of the military to buy the Mirage-2000, but it was replaced by Rafal). The typhoon seems to be nothing, but again no one will give the entire production cycle to India, only cooperation, and give them something else + 2 engines again .... Gripen is also a good bird, but it is too "light" (in its characteristics) for their money....
        the F-18 and F-16 remain .. Both are decent machines, with similar characteristics, but the F-16 is cheaper to operate, which is important when replacing the same MiG-21 ...
    4. Tusv
      Tusv 11 March 2019 15: 43
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      God grant that our calf and the wolf can be eaten.

      Recently it was said that the income of licensed production in India is 4 gigabytes to the Russian budget. This is such a calf, as in a cartoon, the bear broke through the fence while running away
      - Daddy
      - Well. And all mom, mom
  3. askort154
    askort154 11 March 2019 13: 07
    +4
    It would be interesting to see the real chronology of these
    "air battles", and not the chatter of two warring forty yes
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 11 March 2019 16: 02
      0
      Quote: askort154
      It would be interesting to see the real chronology of these
      "air battles"

      Eh brother. And where will the mustache go.?
  4. Botanik Medveddev
    Botanik Medveddev 11 March 2019 13: 08
    -2
    So the F-16 is a hat! Spreading sombrero smile So is the wall on the border with Mexico. Cheating US taxpayers and overseas customers.
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 March 2019 13: 15
      +8
      in vain it is, the F-16 is a very serious plane, it would not be Pakistanis who were driving, but, say, Jews - I would have looked at the results of the battle
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 11 March 2019 13: 30
        +3
        Quote: novel xnumx
        in vain it is, the f-16 is a very serious plane ...

        hi So it is so, but the fuss with the topic "under what conditions" the F-16s and weapons were sold is very annoying and interesting. Why are the Pakistanis not protesting that their F-16s were shot down by Soviet / Russian weapons? The situation shows that buying, for example, the same F-16, you will have to sign a bunch of protocols on permission for its use! fool
        1. novel66
          novel66 11 March 2019 13: 33
          +3
          when they already shoot at you - do not care the conditions ... but I have doubts that their AMRAAMs are of the latest modifications
          1. Kurare
            Kurare 11 March 2019 13: 35
            +2
            Quote: novel xnumx
            when they already shoot at you - do not care the conditions ...

            That's for sure!!! Only then, perhaps, it will be necessary to make excuses: "was it possible to pull it under the contract?" This is exactly what Pakistan is facing today and the Indians are playing this card very cleverly.
            1. novel66
              novel66 11 March 2019 13: 45
              +2
              I think they are judging by the result - no one would have flunked the Su-30 and no one would have uttered a sound ... and so - the missiles were spent, the plane was shot down - image bye-bye!
              1. Kurare
                Kurare 11 March 2019 13: 54
                +3
                Quote: novel xnumx
                it seems to me that they are judging by the result - no one would have flunked the Su-30 and would not have uttered a peep ...

                If the Su-30 had been overwhelmed by AMRAAM, the strain from India would have been even greater. As far as I know (and not by hearsay) the Indians, they would even have demanded compensation from the United States, since the weapon was used "illegally."
                But, everything seems to have turned out the best for Russian weapons.
                1. novel66
                  novel66 11 March 2019 14: 02
                  +2
                  we live in an interesting world ...
                  1. Kurare
                    Kurare 11 March 2019 15: 10
                    +2
                    Yes, the timing is really interesting. The interesting thing is that "suddenly" it becomes clear that a very successful, from an economic point of view, the F-16 project, can become a very big burden from a military-political point of view! And who needs a weapon, from which it is impossible to shoot, as they can sue!
        2. vic02
          vic02 11 March 2019 15: 39
          +1
          And why should they protest, they simply claim that no plane of theirs was shot down, and in fact, where is the evidence. The MiG was shot down, everyone saw it, but where is the shot down F-16? He is not here.
      2. BAI
        BAI 11 March 2019 13: 34
        +4
        would not be driving Pakistanis but, say, Jews

        Then the Indians should be removed from the aircraft's steering wheel and others should be put. And so - I think the level of training of pilots in Pakistan and in India is about the same.
        1. novel66
          novel66 11 March 2019 13: 38
          +1
          apparently not lol if a deliberately outdated MiG knocks down the f-16
          1. Kaw
            Kaw 11 March 2019 16: 34
            +3
            In war, as in life, sometimes happy coincidences happen, a T-34 can knock out Abrams with a successful shot, and Apache can be shot down with a Mosin rifle. It is not necessary to draw conclusions because of an isolated case.
            1. Kaw
              Kaw 11 March 2019 16: 43
              +2
              The MiG-21 has a very weak radar, much weaker than that of the F-16. The MiG pilot was lucky that the battle began at close range (judging by the use of the R-73). At a distance of 60-70 km. he wouldn't even see the F-16.
        2. Yura
          Yura 11 March 2019 13: 59
          +3
          Plus you, but there is a remark - the schools are different, the Indians have it originated in the USSR along with the deliveries of the first fighters and further, as well as, accordingly, the training of pilots and personnel trained in the USSR and instructors in the field. With Pakistan ... a different story.
      3. vic02
        vic02 11 March 2019 15: 40
        0
        Where did you get the idea that the F-16 was shot down? Well, except for unconfirmed statements in the press.
  5. Alexander Petrov1
    Alexander Petrov1 11 March 2019 13: 25
    0
    Yes, nothing in this Phantom is good (development of the 60s, only one engine, no maneuverability, no speed and climb rate, high price), in everything it is inferior to our MiG-29, and even about the SU-30 or SU-35 in general by an order of magnitude below the level, and all the battles that he won due to not bad electronics and good missiles, and then with outdated fighters and pilots of a lower class.
    1. whitebeard
      whitebeard 11 March 2019 23: 36
      0
      "Only 1 engine" is not a disadvantage, but an advantage for a light fighter, the maintenance is cheaper. But for this, this 1 engine must be reliable and economical.
      1. Alexander Petrov1
        Alexander Petrov1 12 March 2019 00: 26
        0
        Why, why did our scientists make the MIG-29 twin-engine, because they burned themselves on the MIG-21 and MIG-23, and the Americans are still falling due to the failure of a single engine.
        1. whitebeard
          whitebeard 25 March 2019 15: 02
          0
          They did not burn anything, just at that time the USSR once again lagged behind in engines, and it was not possible for the heavier 4th generation to provide reliability with one engine. Moreover, Migovtsev's idea of ​​making a direct competitor to the Su-27, instead of remaining in the niche of light fighters. As a result, the MiG-29 turned out to be rather average than light, and now it is difficult for it to break through in the export market, because the cost of maintenance is expensive (including because of 2 engines), and the capabilities do not reach full-fledged strands.
          1. Alexander Petrov1
            Alexander Petrov1 25 March 2019 19: 31
            0
            It is possible that then there was no suitable light engine (such as RD-33), but then they developed it, but the MIG-29 will not fall if one engine fails, and the MIG-23 fell and the American F-16 and F35 fall, by the way, many it was our scientists who told the military that we needed two engines for the MiG-29 and a lot of money and the lives of pilots were saved thanks to this.
  6. viktorish007
    viktorish007 11 March 2019 13: 27
    -1
    an article with a pitchfork on the water, and even a photo of the pack stuck, is it that instead of the moment21 he fought against the fka?
    ps Seriously, there is no exact information, and in the near future there will be no, so it is not clear how someone was shot down there, situations are different, and the moment 15 can gut the raptor under certain circumstances, and vice versa, it works the same
  7. IGOR GORDEEV
    IGOR GORDEEV 11 March 2019 13: 31
    +1
    The Su-30, as previously claimed in the Indian media, not only got away from the AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles, but was also able to shoot down one of them.

    If so, how could this have happened?
    1. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 11 March 2019 13: 47
      +1
      Well, if this is true information, then the Indian SU-30 has a very good and powerful radar and missiles with modern electronics, otherwise it would not have been possible to shoot down a fast-flying and maneuverable modern missile.
      1. Georg21
        Georg21 11 March 2019 15: 24
        -2
        And there is evidence that someone knocked down someone ???
        1. Alexander Petrov1
          Alexander Petrov1 11 March 2019 17: 05
          0
          Duck I wrote if this is true information, and if not, then this is India's duck for local patriots.
  8. Galleon
    Galleon 11 March 2019 14: 05
    +2
    The results of the battle with the Air Force of Pakistan can increase the share of the Russian Federation in the arms market in India

    They may increase, or may not increase. What's the news? Contract signed? Did the factories receive orders? Have you sent a translation?
    The law on fakes was passed - we still need to pass the law on the PPP - Empty Chatter.
  9. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 11 March 2019 14: 18
    +1
    Cho for an office with such a pretentious name: "Officers of Russia"? I remember there were complaints against them
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 11 March 2019 16: 21
      +1
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      Cho for an office with such a pretentious name: "Officers of Russia"? I remember there were complaints against them

      Some kind of muddy office, whose leader never had anything to do with the USSR Armed Forces or the RF Armed Forces.
  10. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 11 March 2019 14: 19
    0
    the Indian leadership is forced to maintain a certain balance in order to maintain its international weight in solving certain problems.

    Normal leadership maintains its weight by not being led by anyone, working for its country and not for uncles behind a puddle.
    1. whitebeard
      whitebeard 11 March 2019 23: 38
      0
      Well, this is such a euphemism, meaning that India has nothing to go unambiguously to some kind of camp, so it maneuvers and chooses the best that the arms market has to offer.
  11. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 March 2019 14: 35
    +1
    The general's comprehensive answer.
    Why can't you sell arms to both India and Pakistan? ..
    Money to the budget. The contradictions between India and Pakistan should not worry the military-industrial complex.
  12. Georg21
    Georg21 11 March 2019 15: 22
    -2
    20 years can not bring .... engines from the 30th. Another failure, like the Mig 29/35
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 March 2019 15: 46
    0
    if these planes can be shot down by a far from high-tech Soviet-designed air-to-air missile.

    ..the P73 missile is designed to defeat everything that is flying now. It is surprising that the MiG-21 came into an advantageous position and launched it.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 11 March 2019 18: 12
      0
      This is a question of organization, the moment should have been overwhelmed before it got close to the launch distance, but somehow it remained unnoticed until the missiles were launched at targets.
  14. Simferopol
    Simferopol 11 March 2019 16: 46
    0
    The ruble fell, the weapon fell in price, and so the share of Russia in money decreased. And in pieces it only grew. Well, the sanctions with defamation of Russia in all the media of the world also hurt cooperation.
  15. Krilion
    Krilion 12 March 2019 08: 53
    0
    what worries me in the assessments of this aforementioned air battle is the one-sidedness of the information provided .. relying only on the Indian media, one should not forget about elementary propaganda .. for objectivity I would like to see the information and the assessment of the battle from Pakistan .. only then can you do some conclusions and conclusions ..
  16. Mikhail Malakhov
    Mikhail Malakhov 13 March 2019 09: 55
    0
    I saw a downed Indian pilot ..
    Downed Pakistani, no.
    That's all I wanted to say