American General appreciated the joint exercises F-15 and Su-30MKM

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American General appreciated the joint exercises F-15 and Su-30MKM

US Air Force F-15C fighters conducted a two-week joint exercise with Russian-made Su-30MKM airplanes that are in service with the Royal Malaysian Air Force, said the commander of the US Air Force X-NUMX wing Brigadier General Matt Mollow.

“We flew one-on-one with the“ Dry ”, under conditions of direct visibility and outside, performed a large number of tasks. As expected, their new aircraft showed themselves well. In flight, they showed tremendous maneuverability while performing basic combat maneuvers. In the course of performing tasks in the absence of direct visibility, the fighters showed possession of the situation in the airspace, ”the general told Flightglobal.com.

According to him, “for many American pilots, the opportunity to fly together with the MiG-29 and Su-30 is provided only once in their career.”

According to Mollow, he hopes that in the future, the units of the US Air Force and the squadron on the Su-30 will be able to operate from one airfield. “I think we can build a special relationship with the Su fighter squadron and expand our knowledge of tactics,” he added.

In 2003, the Su-30MKM multipurpose aircraft manufactured by Irkut Corporation became the winner of a tender announced a year earlier by the Malaysian Ministry of Defense for the purchase of a batch of combat aircraft for the national air force. The main competitor of the Su-30MKM was the American Super Hornet F-18.

The Royal Air Force of Malaysia, when choosing a new aircraft, preferred the Russian Su-30MKM after careful study of all bidders.

In May 2003, the ministers of defense of the Russian Federation and Malaysia initialed the contract for the supply of 18 Su-30MKM. In August, 2003, during the official visit to Malaysia of the President of Russia, a contract was signed for the delivery of a batch of combat vehicles of this type.

Su-30MKM fighters entered service 11 squadron KVVS Malaysia (11 Squadron RMAF), stationed at the Hong Kedak airbase, Interfax reports.

Su-30MK type fighters are selected as the main combat aircraft of the Air Forces of India, Algeria and Malaysia.
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  1. +86
    19 June 2012 12: 25
    “For many American pilots, the opportunity to fly with the MiG-29 and Su-30 is provided only once in their career.” I want to add, the last time in my career ....
    1. +33
      19 June 2012 12: 28
      A little ahead of me, but thoughts on the topic. drinks
      1. Sergh
        +42
        19 June 2012 13: 40
        As expected, their new aircraft performed very well. In flight, they showed amazing maneuverability

        General Matt Mollow did not turn his tongue to say: "... complete air superiority ...", sorry to lose your stars. Here before our Makarov he still has to stomp and stomp, weaklings!
        1. +17
          19 June 2012 14: 11
          And he will not be able to say such a thing until ours are at the helm of their own aircraft! Then already, hi my air brother Joe! And bye!
          1. Vanek
            +8
            19 June 2012 14: 53
            Quote: Karavan
            until our planes sit at the helm of their native planes!


            Here I am also very interested, why not with our pilots?

            Remember my post: 1992 teachings in Langley.
            1. +4
              19 June 2012 16: 29
              It’s known why! Urinate with!
            2. bamboo
              +4
              19 June 2012 19: 42
              They then study each training battle with our pilots in detail, because it is an invaluable experience for them, and this is why ours do not give them such an opportunity.
              And they decided to fly with the Papuans, even though they are not tech-savvy (the plane does everything for them). Kato like that))) Yes
              1. wall
                +10
                19 June 2012 21: 59
                I would say differently. For them, this is a convenient way to evaluate all the strengths and weaknesses of our aircraft. Examine them under a microscope. Fly nearby, aim, get used to the special qualities of our aircraft, and draw the necessary conclusions. And the Americans know how to draw conclusions and learn quickly. So do not need stupid and unnecessary emotions.
            3. VAF
              VAF
              +4
              19 June 2012 22: 32
              Quote: Vanek
              Here I am also very interested, why not with our pilots?


              Because we have neither pilots nor the Air Force NETU while in service with the SU-30, no. so far only 4 pieces !!!!
              And URAYAYA that amers are studying the capabilities of our machines with might and main, and at the same time are preparing counter-measures to counteract .... at least I am puzzled ???? recourse

              Why rejoice ... that the amers will prepare and develop new practical tactics and will be ready for this ???

              And we will continue to create some new PAK by 20-25-30 years ???? (YES, SHA, what's next) ????
              Oh well.....
              1. 0
                20 June 2012 07: 50
                Well, today there may be four, and there, by the end of the year, the SM should arrive in time. The car is not bad, so the prospects for overlapping before "Pyatak" are not bad.
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  +2
                  20 June 2012 10: 31
                  Quote: Ustin
                  The car is not bad, so the prospects for overlapping to "Pyatak" are not bad.


                  I don’t argue, maybe they will appear ... before the end of the year ... So far I only know about 3 ... that are on the assembly ... the truth is unknown to anyone ... but in Irkut everything is still dedicated to the Yak-130 ..... so what to overlap and from whom ... if from rodents ... then this is enough above the roof. but if. God forbid ... something more serious, then ... maybe not enough .... !!!

                  Why is everyone missing the question altogether, and how so ... banana countries allow themselves to acquire the most modern and combat fighters, without having either oil or gas, and our country, only single copies ???

                  Someone and URAYAYApatriotov will be able to competently and qualifiedly answer the question ???? Or ashamed ..... ????
                  1. 0
                    20 June 2012 15: 14
                    Well, what is on the "Irkut" I had the same opportunity to contemplate, but the power for these 2 projects is enough, the YAK and SU do not interfere with each other. The launch of the YAK was relatively easy, the whole car was "digitized" and the enterprise has no particular problems, except that the pickers have not yet reached the parameters of "Irkut", but this is a matter of a short time. With SU30Sm the situation is even simpler. The project has been worked out thoroughly as a whole, for 10 years there have been major changes on many issues that have arisen in the operation of the "banana" republics, and for their money. The characteristics have improved significantly. Now the device can be offered to our Air Force without hesitation. Like this. Yes, I'm not a Hurray-patriot. But I own this topic.
        2. bamboo
          0
          19 June 2012 19: 30
          Yab also added, EH SCHALAT)))) laughing
        3. radikdan79
          +1
          20 June 2012 11: 31
          Sergh,
          for sure. something about the results of training flights and not a word is said. I think the result is obvious (but I would like to hear it from the mouth of the Yusov brigadier general) smile
    2. +26
      19 June 2012 13: 47
      Trained with ... ki counteract our aircraft
      1. Sergh
        +12
        19 June 2012 14: 16
        Quote: andrey586
        Train with ... counteract

        Andrei, yes, their gut is thin even with Malaysians against our Sukharas, and with the Russians, the navel will loose.
        Read and see the comment below.
        1. +5
          19 June 2012 15: 05
          Let them train. While they are studying how to fight these dryers, ours will release even more abruptly. tongue
          1. 755962
            +10
            19 June 2012 15: 13
            Russians in the SU-27 were given to the Americans! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4XPVvMm4j4&feature=player_embedded The Americans themselves recognize this !!! Regarding the superiority of the Su-27 over the F-15, no one doubts. This is officially and unofficially declared by the Americans themselves. http://suavia.info/page/64
            1. Neighbor
              +4
              19 June 2012 16: 38
              Quote: 755962
              Regarding the superiority of the Su-27 over the F-15, no one doubts. This is officially and unofficially declared by the Americans themselves. http://suavia.info/page/64

              And this is an EXPOR OPTION !!!! And the pilots are NOT OUR. Please pay special attention - they fought against the EXPORT OPTION !!! - which is ALWAYS weaker in the same avionics, electronics, weapons - than Our Russian version.
              1. Dmitry23RUS
                +2
                19 June 2012 18: 57
                This once again proves that OUR aviation designers, having very little money, make MUCH more tailored for war and major power technicians.
                And note, the Amers and close to no helicopters such as MI26 and aircraft type Ruslanov.
                Which clearly proves that we, having such small funds, are able to produce really needed and good planes and helicopters.
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  +6
                  19 June 2012 22: 45
                  Quote: Dmitry23RUS
                  and aircraft Tipo Ruslanov.


                  Do not know ..... don’t say, but rather keep silent ..... !!! I won’t continue!









                  Well, how many flying amers S-5 and An-124 we will not say at all. ... CONFUSION will turn out ......
                  1. EMILPOLAK
                    0
                    21 June 2012 20: 18
                    veteran.air force,
                    and what came before? I think C-5 will be younger than Ruslan
                    1. gor
                      gor
                      -1
                      23 June 2012 12: 11
                      yes s-5 appeared in 1965. ruslan at the beginning of 80 so consider how s-5 is younger than ruslan
              2. VAF
                VAF
                +6
                19 June 2012 22: 35
                Quote: Neighbor
                Please pay special attention - they fought against the EXPORT OPTION !!! - which is ALWAYS weaker in the same avionics, electronics, weapons - than Our Russian version.


                B .... lin .... yes show me a finger stick .... where is this OUR RUSSIAN OPTION Su-30-go !!!!!
                WHERE??? Which shelf and how much !!!!! ?????
              3. +1
                20 June 2012 08: 13
                The Malaysian version of the Su30, one of the most sophisticated, and in avionics is not weaker. In my opinion, there is also a lot of superfluous, such as lights for flight systems. The Indians, who operate this type very intensively, trained their pilots. So the general’s assessment is correct , and if it doesn’t agree, then the very little thing is the level of training of pilots.
                1. +1
                  20 June 2012 10: 00
                  Quote: veteran.air force
                  B .... lin .... yes show me a finger stick .... where is this OUR RUSSIAN OPTION Su-30-go !!!!!
                  WHERE??? Which shelf and how much !!!!! ?????

                  the veteran is not so bad because ours don’t buy 30 su just because they have already signed a contract for the production of several dozen 35 SUs that are superior to 30 su! (generation of su 30 - 4 + and su 35 - 4 ++ i.e., I’m silently fighting a raptor about f 16) I promise more than 10 su 35 this year so if everyone fulfills OUR Air Force BE
                  PS if only everyone completed ..........
                  1. VAF
                    VAF
                    +1
                    20 June 2012 10: 48
                    Quote: 11 black
                    the veteran is not so bad because ours do not buy su 30 just because they have already concluded a production contract


                    For the thought, +! although it is fundamentally not true !!!!
                    Remember when and to whom they started supplying the Su-30s ????
                    Then the Su-35th in the BM version seems to be the same as it was and where is it ????
                    And how many over the decades have riveted Su-30s for export, count and to whom ??? Countries without oil and gas, banana, well, with the exception of Algeria .... ???

                    Su 30 and Su-35 are fundamentally different in the layout and tasks of the machine, so the comparison is not correct!

                    With a raptor, and the Grover fights on equal terms, that's just the raptor (albeit cut off) and the Grover fly with might and main, and our Su-35th ??? Only in 2013 will it start testing weapons ?!

                    And you are not funny with sasoma from the numbers ... will be 10 .... will be to 2020 .... ????

                    And now to fight on what ??? In the meantime, all the old stuff ..... even though it slowly began to CWR-rut and then thank God and at least something "supposedly modernize"!
                    1. 0
                      20 June 2012 15: 31
                      The machines are somewhat similar, the prototype of the Su 35 of which you are talking differs from the current machine very much. The general name is only. Why this happened is a more political question. The Su 30MK was lucky - it went for export and was further developed. with desperate attempts to repeat the path of the Su 35MK, it slightly "stuck" - and now, with the availability of funding, everything is being done for the surge. Both machines complement each other and have great potential for further modernization. Therefore, the fate of the projects will ultimately be decided in the offices.
                    2. 0
                      20 June 2012 19: 34
                      Quote: veteran.air force
                      And you are not funny with sasoma from the numbers ... will be 10 .... will be to 2020 .... ????


                      unfortunately I want to cry ... crying
                      but even so read for information gnpp 2020 it says how many there should be to 2020
                      Quote: veteran.air force
                      Su 30 and Su-35 are fundamentally different in the layout and tasks of the machine, so the comparison is not correct!


                      on line-up - I completely agree
                      for tasks - su 35 = su 30 heavy fighter capable of coordinating the actions of a group of lighter vehicles and, if necessary, covering them with missiles p 37 of long range


                      Quote: veteran.air force
                      And now to fight on what ??? In the meantime, all the old stuff ..... even though it slowly began to CWR-rut and then thank God and at least something "supposedly modernize"!


                      but here you are unfortunately right, and the enterprises and the KB are in very poor condition and for a long time nothing new has been bought, but it seems that we are starting to climb out of the pit - unless of course all this gpvp is not an empty bell ...
                2. VAF
                  VAF
                  +1
                  20 June 2012 10: 41
                  Quote: Ustin
                  So the general’s assessment is correct,


                  Here I absolutely agree with you, +! Since the exclamations of URIA patriots that this is an export cropped version, complete nonsense or simply not knowledge !!!

                  Well, drill lights are structurally available on all types of aircraft (this is me on Taburetkin), even on helicopters and from the ground they are absolutely invisible, they are absolutely invisible even in the air from a distance of 2 kilometers, so there are no problems when conducting B / D they don’t call at night!

                  And the fact that the general is cunning ... this one is for sure ... after all, when the first time in 2008 they conducted exercises with the Indians, the extreme ones, for which they are grateful, did not show the full combat potential of the machine, but what the Malaysians showed, we do not know, but the fact that the information amers "removed" above the roof ... I have no doubt about that!
                  1. 0
                    20 June 2012 15: 39
                    The Malaysians have a good base, in hangars for dryers "plasma" diagonally 1,5 meters, so that when taxiing out to see the commander, in short, the Royal Air Force, the pilots are selected from all over the country with experience in flying MIG29, F16, but they do not fly more intensively than the Indians, but showed I think everything they saw and knew.
          2. EMILPOLAK
            0
            21 June 2012 20: 19
            Simon,
            optimism and patriotism are the right thing. just do not forget about realism. but in reality, not everything is so rosy
    3. andrklimanov
      +2
      19 June 2012 20: 24
      Quote: avdkrd
      add - last time in a career ..

      rather in life smile
    4. 0
      20 June 2012 07: 34
      Quote: avdkrd
      “For many American pilots, the opportunity to fly with the MiG-29 and Su-30 is provided only once in their career.”


      after which they are buried with honors ...
  2. +9
    19 June 2012 12: 26
    It’s interesting that he didn’t tell about general results of training battles. laughing
    1. +13
      19 June 2012 12: 40
      Why didn’t you say it? Said:
      As expected, their new aircraft performed very well. In flight, they showed tremendous maneuverability during the performance of basic combat maneuvers. During the performance of tasks in the absence of direct visibility, fighters showed airspace control

      Even these words are more than enough to understand the result. laughing
      1. Dmitry23RUS
        +11
        19 June 2012 12: 57
        That is, if on a simple basis, * kicked their ass *! laughing
        1. +8
          19 June 2012 13: 04
          and not our pilots ..........- Malays
    2. +5
      19 June 2012 13: 02
      Well, don’t cry your old d ....... oh, who then will buy it
    3. anchonsha
      +7
      19 June 2012 13: 04
      The Sakhalin man, in my opinion, has already said a lot and so much and no one pulled his tongue ... We have something to be proud of !!!!
    4. Bashkaus
      +5
      19 June 2012 13: 14
      A Sakhalin resident, he also said in a well-trained Russian language "such an opportunity to fly with the Su30 falls out only once in a career))))
      1. +1
        19 June 2012 17: 42
        Because after this opportunity, they understand that life is more expensive and end their careers wink
        1. Dmitry23RUS
          0
          19 June 2012 18: 58
          It’s just that in the event of a conflict they will be demoralized, and like in Korea they will throw off bombs short of the goal =)
    5. bamboo
      0
      19 June 2012 19: 46
      Ass bench press, it is not iron))) laughing
  3. +11
    19 June 2012 12: 27
    According to him, “for many American pilots, the opportunity to fly together with the MiG-29 and Su-30 is provided only once in their career.”

    http://topwar.ru/15516-amerikanskiy-general-ocenil-sovmestnye-ucheniya-f-15-i-su
    -30mkm.html

    Very capacious phrase.

    your words are general yes to the ears of God. Let any meeting with SU30 for your pilots be once in your career.
  4. dred
    +3
    19 June 2012 12: 27
    Quote: avdkrd
    "For many American pilots, the opportunity to fly with the MiG-29 and Su-30 is provided only once in their career." I want to add, the last time in my career ...

    The main thing is that we would not have the latter.
  5. htpm100
    +2
    19 June 2012 12: 28
    “For many American pilots, the opportunity to fly with the MiG-29 and Su-30 is provided only once in their career.” Well, if against Mig29 and Su30, then generally the last time, not only in their career but also in life.
  6. +3
    19 June 2012 12: 30
    Once again I am convinced that the word is not a sparrow. And what a unanimity.
    1. htpm100
      +6
      19 June 2012 12: 35
      Yes laughing when I wrote komentov it wasn’t updated yet, I realized that I’m not alone in this thought.
  7. +10
    19 June 2012 12: 33
    If you didn’t say who got the upper hand, then the F-15 lost air fights!
    If the F-15 were better, then for a long time they would have trumpeted the whole world!
    Other types of aircraft were also accepted in the exercises ... again, silent ... winked
  8. Tirpitz
    +9
    19 June 2012 12: 34
    “We flew one-on-one with the Sukhoi, in conditions of direct visibility and outside it, we performed a large number of tasks. As expected, their new aircraft performed very well. In flight, they showed tremendous maneuverability during the performance of basic combat maneuvers. During the performance of tasks in the absence of direct visibility, the fighters showed possession of the situation in the airspace, ”the general said.

    If these words are translated into simple language, then it will look like this: "Our f-15s are really fucked up, but it is also dumb to conduct fights on the f-22, so that the next embarrassment does not work out." I’m just ashamed to say this about the "Greatest Air Force" of all times and people, who utterly defeated the Luftwaffe, the Japanese Air Force and the Soviets in Korea and Vietnam.
    1. Dmitry23RUS
      +6
      19 June 2012 12: 59
      I forgot to put the crashes in forged =)
  9. black_eagle
    +3
    19 June 2012 12: 35
    "For many American pilots the opportunity to fly together with the MiG-29 and Su-30 is provided only once in their careers" - and they realized that they were flying in the "trough"))))))))
    1. Dmitry23RUS
      +3
      19 June 2012 12: 59
      on a very expensive trough, so to speak, a bucket of boltamies that only Papuans can scare, what have they been doing for 25 years
      1. Eraser
        -6
        19 June 2012 13: 52
        MiG-29-F-15 score 0-8, have questions? Oh yes, more minuses please. bully
        1. lcalex
          0
          19 June 2012 14: 03
          All you know .....
          Where are the firewood from? Give the link. If true, then there is nothing to put a minus
          1. Sergh
            +4
            19 June 2012 14: 19
            lcalex, yes there are people who come up with fairy tales on the go, and in support of this, they also stamp their feet, well, of course, to make it look worse!
            Hans Christian Andersen, opposite them, is simply-children's party.
            1. General
              -2
              19 June 2012 21: 18
              Well, comparing the f-15 with the mig-29 is wrong, the f-15 is better, but the f-16 against the mig-29 cannot do anything.
          2. Eraser
            -11
            19 June 2012 14: 22
            That I ask you, 5 in Iraq, in 1991 and 3 in Yugoslavia. There is enough information about this on the network and no one denies this.
            1. black_eagle
              +16
              19 June 2012 14: 59
              In this case, I want to remind you that a fighter is not so much an independent machine as an air defense complex where the plane is essentially just an instrument for performing a combat mission that is put before it by a lot of different services, you understand that all were destroyed before the F-15 attacks in Iraq and Yugoslavia flight control centers, and planes essentially flew into the blind, and the F-15s, before taking off, knew the enemy’s location, weapons, type, and what to fear! I will say more, these victories are not considered, maybe you can say that the B-52 destroyed 20 MiGares with an air bomb, they stood at the airport? Type B-52 cooler than MiG! This is essentially the same!
              1. +5
                19 June 2012 15: 55
                - What will happen if you cross a giraffe and a troll?
                - A hybrid that can bite low flying aircraft.


                Here's what the troll’s diarrhea looks like. And drying is still cooler.
              2. Eraser
                -5
                19 June 2012 16: 47
                I do not argue with you about this and do not claim that the MiG-29 is a bad plane. Just do not slander one of the best "4th generation" aircraft, which, unlike others, fought very well. As there is in the joke
                "- Mykola, they wrote in everyday life ...
                -And yaksho out of us?
                -He, and we for sho? "
                1. Kaa
                  +2
                  19 June 2012 22: 26
                  Another anecdote What an eraser is made of: 1) From elastic 2) From rubber 3) From silicone. Is it funny? No funnier than your "anecdote" During the war, the German T-1, T-2, T-3, T-4, too, unlike others (T-34, KV) fought very well until they met in person.
            2. +4
              19 June 2012 19: 36
              You need to raise your eyes, even if you’re at least three times Klitschko, so any teenager hangs on you unreasonably. This is to say that Saddam had French radars that were remotely neutralized by radio signal, and without radars the plane was half-blind, especially since Amers had electronic warfare an order of magnitude higher than Iraq. You are especially snot not a bubble against Russian aviation - today it will for a long time be a headache for NATO and their cove. And the development of technology in Russia, no matter how its sworn friends would not like it, will always be. Spite all the same likely friends. The article is a big plus. We also need propaganda and advertising, God bless this brave general! am
        2. black_eagle
          +3
          19 June 2012 14: 19
          F-15 - Do you think of a Su-30? A storyteller, plus a source in the studio, they give a deadline for false testimonies!
          1. Eraser
            -4
            19 June 2012 16: 37
            Why come up with something that was not recourse ?
            1. black_eagle
              +1
              19 June 2012 19: 57
              Look, as a matter of fact there was no air battles, there was complete superiority of the enemy in the air, and this is essentially a take-off shot, well, I don’t believe that stingy Americans with their Avax-Ajis gave enemy aircraft at least to go on a combat course, I wouldn’t gave, and you wouldn’t give, you can play hussars only when a girl is hurt, they punish you in the war, often by death, so shot down planes are essentially kamikaze
        3. +1
          19 June 2012 15: 33
          Fantasy is good, I put a plus.
      2. lcalex
        +2
        19 June 2012 14: 02
        Quote: Dmitry23RUS
        on a very expensive trough


        Yes, there is such an expenditure advertising ..... Salvage must be beaten off ... laughing
        1. Dmitry23RUS
          +13
          19 June 2012 14: 30
          AND THINKED FOR ME HOW SUCH! =)
          OR am I NOT RIGHT? ONE BUSINESS TO SPEAK ON A CART ZOMBING THE POPULATION, AMERUS ARE ABLE TO MAKE ADVERTISING, ANOTHER BUSINESS A REAL FIGHT. BEAUTIFUL WORDS THERE DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING.
          THERE IS OUR PLANES EVEN PILOTED BY NERUSSKS, it turned out MUCH BETTER THAN AMERSKY
          1. black_eagle
            +5
            19 June 2012 14: 51
            Okay, hold on + drinks
  10. +7
    19 June 2012 12: 36
    Most surprising and interesting, for some reason he didn’t say such words: “During the exercises, the American fighters proved to be excellent, they were at the level of Sushki, and in some moments even better!

    They usually like to say this with pathos, but on the contrary praised Sushki ... I think he would have said more good for our planes, but he is afraid that he will be removed from office for a long tongue.
    1. Dmitry23RUS
      +2
      19 June 2012 13: 01
      It is strange that he finally said so. For the exposure of the most dicky situation (and according to the teachings it was seen) in a positive light for the USA they have already had a tradition for over a hundred years ..
      1. +1
        19 June 2012 17: 53
        There was still an assessment and the Malays. So if he responded badly, there would be no opportunity to train with our machines at all.
    2. +5
      19 June 2012 14: 18
      I am begging you! Just here is an excerpt from his speech! We do not know the whole text of his interview! But in reality - it’s good if our planes are better. Another thing is bad - ours are many times less than ours. But here, as they say, not quality, but quantity!
      1. bamboo
        0
        19 June 2012 19: 51
        fewer planes, yes, unfortunately, but I think this is offset by EXCELLENT OUR AIR Defense !!!
  11. Senzey
    +5
    19 June 2012 12: 42
    F-15s have long been outdated, they are more trained and trained, as they are more fighting in reserve. Although they have great potential. But with the Su-30, of course, no comparison, ours is better!

    1. +7
      19 June 2012 13: 06
      US Air Force

      F-15 Eagle Regular Air Force - 396, National Guard - 126, In reserve - 0, Total - 522
      F-15E Strike Eagle Regular Air Force - 217, National Guard - 0, Total - 217
  12. StrateG
    +2
    19 June 2012 12: 59
    What did they want? Thank God ours have not forgotten how to make military equipment. Although every time these "Cool" guys still hope for something.
    1. Dmitry23RUS
      +4
      19 June 2012 13: 04
      Given that there were also non-Russian pilots, then finally the amers must have gone nuts
      1. Sergh
        +4
        19 June 2012 14: 09
        Quote: Dmitry23RUS
        there were also not Russian pilots, then finally the amers must have gone nuts

        Dmitry, yes, they have long refused to hang out with our pilots, as they crap in full, even give a helping hand to colleagues when A. Kharchevsky and G. Karabasov in America fell into trouble through their own fault twenty years ago. Even A. Kharchevsky himself spat in a hat for amers after this incident, they are still wrapped around him.
        (From the 4th minute)

        http://films-online.su/news/zhit_chtoby_letat_2011/2011-02-22-4689
        1. Dmitry23RUS
          +1
          19 June 2012 14: 32
          VERY INFORMATIVE
        2. +2
          19 June 2012 18: 43
          Sergh, thanks for the link, cool movie. Amer will never be our friends because they know neither honor nor conscience.
          1. +1
            19 June 2012 22: 55
            Thanks Dmitry for the movie. The Russians were, are and will be masters of the sky.
  13. anchonsha
    +4
    19 June 2012 13: 01
    I am proud that our military equipment received such a positive assessment from our biggest ill-wishers !!! Russia, keep it up !!!
  14. +8
    19 June 2012 13: 14
    Aside from compliments from the Yankees, consider the more serious line of US Air Force Brigadier General Matt Mollow, "I think we can build a special relationship with the Su fighter squadron and expand our knowledge of tactics." Joint naval exercises, exercises of paratroopers, now pilots ... We need to prepare for a dashing year, such "friendship" is very reminiscent of the pre-war relationship with the Germans, who also praised and studied us. Should Syria and Iran fall, the ring will shrink around Russia.
  15. StrateG
    +3
    19 June 2012 13: 23
    Given that there were also non-Russian pilots, then finally the amers must have gone nuts

    Our experts probably taught them, so do not be surprised.
  16. cool.cube2012
    +5
    19 June 2012 13: 48
    The main enemy is studying our technology, which means it’s preparing for something. And what about ours? Again, underestimating the enemy, because we have already passed it.
    1. +1
      19 June 2012 14: 18
      Unfortunately, these rot ... s always prepare for some kind of dirty trick, completely insolent from impunity. God sees everything, all their crimes will pour out to them and I think many times
  17. +7
    19 June 2012 13: 59
    Our Indians are also taught, but they still cannot reach the proper level in aerobatics. They think that for them all electronics will make and rockets. But it was not there, very few people know that when the "cobra" is executed, the plane disappears from the enemy's radars, and thus missile guidance is impossible, and already launched missiles are destroyed by themselves. no goal. And there are many such aerobatics, and you need to know in what situation which maneuver is more profitable to apply. And in order to merge with the car into a single whole, it seems to me that only Russians are capable of this, I don't know why. But our pilots treat airplanes as a living organism and, perhaps, therefore, they feel it like no other. He served in Lipetsk himself, saw everything with his own eyes.
    1. +4
      19 June 2012 21: 04
      I had to fly with the Arabs for a while
      Quote: uralkos
      They think that all electronics will do rockets for them.

      And it was the other way around ... they just don’t trust electronics ... For example: everyone knows that in the case of hour X they will have a full load + full tanks but only one-way flight ... they are ready for this ... But they’re afraid of flying under the blinds ... they all strive to cling to the horizon at least out of the corner of their eyes ... they trust their instinct rather than the instruments and the calculation of bombing is done more by eye and maybe ... For example: with their Belarus navigator with 3000m we calmly put bombs in a 100-meter circle, and with the navigator as an Arab, don’t keep the course of the plane — well, if you keep within 500m with the same 3000 meters ... in a word, we’ll ride camels ... we all know more ..
    2. +1
      20 June 2012 15: 52
      The Hindus are good pilots and can do a lot, and they have a pretty decent raid, and then I won’t reveal military secrets, but you have to try very hard to fly to the SU 30MKI. The machine can forgive and correct a lot. And they operate the equipment very hard. characteristics. And this is in an ordinary regiment, and not in the Center. Yes, and they learn pretty quickly, I won’t say that they catch everything on the fly, but it’s quite acceptable.
      1. 0
        21 June 2012 00: 07
        it's true ... squeeze everything out of technology .. we only dream about how much they fly .. and of course the quantity quietly goes into quality ..
  18. Cadet787
    +3
    19 June 2012 14: 05
    Know our guys!
  19. lcalex
    +1
    19 June 2012 14: 09
    Yes, our planes are cool. This has long been known to everyone.

    It is necessary to teach pilots !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And then in the 90s, the beginning of 2000 no one really flew! No.

    And then we will be like a patient on a motorcycle without a gasoline laughing
  20. +3
    19 June 2012 14: 13
    I would like our ripening surprise PAK FA to make NATO depressed
  21. elk
    elk
    +3
    19 June 2012 14: 34
    shocked by commentators and their conclusions.
    All this, when in 20 posts a hat is sucked out of the finger, and from scratch, simply based on your own wishes - this is certainly strong. Even the numbers are deduced from what is read "between the lines" in the general's interview .... This is just a catastrophe of reason, comrades "kakbe" experts.
    1. Kaa
      +1
      19 June 2012 22: 42
      I sympathize with your, elk, mind, with which a catastrophe happened due to the fact that the American general did not call the Su-30 a swearing juicy epithet, Do it you, while in shock. "kakbe" experts will appreciate. Do not be upset, or do your friends, relatives, sponsors, idols fly on the F-15? Give them a simple way out: if you see a Mig or Su - and pull the catapult handle. And there are more diapers in overalls, you look, everything will be formed, "Purple Heart" will definitely be provided!
    2. +1
      19 June 2012 23: 00
      Quote: elk
      Even the numbers are deduced from what is read "between the lines" in the general's interview .... It's just a disaster of reason, comrades "kakbe" experts.

      Well, Duc, throw in real truthful (in your opinion) information, otherwise it’s too cleverly you get to throw hats with hats. You must have flown all the aforementioned airplanes, since you are so sensible. Share with us, do not hesitate ...
  22. snek
    +5
    19 June 2012 14: 39
    A man respected our technique with respect, and in the comments a solid throwing poop.
  23. +1
    19 June 2012 14: 40
    And where are our joint training sessions with their F-15, 16, 18, 22? Where is the information about our flights of their strategists V-1, 2, 52? How are we preparing for upcoming events?
  24. +4
    19 June 2012 14: 48
    And I would say this: fly not from the SU-30, but try to fly away from the SU-30.
  25. +5
    19 June 2012 15: 03
    How many joint training exercises there have been, etc., you can never believe the Yankees' comments and all that, the Americans know how greedy we are for praise from behind the hill, we inflate every flattering word to the whole country, which by the way is worth nothing to them. find out what he thinks! You don’t need to deceive yourself with empty words; their technique is better and instead of complacency it is necessary to mobilize the engineering and labor reserves of the defense industry (if there are any)

    Sly hawk hides its claws * Japanese proverb
  26. +2
    19 June 2012 15: 09
    it would be more interesting to joint exercises F-22 and Su-30MKM ..)
    1. CC-20a
      +2
      19 June 2012 18: 36
      Nah, it won't be interesting laughing
      It is enough for our dryer to rise higher as Ф22 itself will break) or the pilot will lose consciousness. winked
  27. Diesel
    +1
    19 June 2012 15: 26
    Hmm, it would not hurt us to conduct such exercises, at least with the same Norwegians. F16, Gripen vs Su27 Mig29
  28. bremest
    +1
    19 June 2012 15: 31
    There is no doubt about the superiority of our aircraft and never was. These aircraft were conceived, designed, and built on the basis of the principle of defeating a potential enemy, and American based on the principle of commercial expediency. Glory to the Air Force of the Russian Federation!
  29. tarnishes
    +2
    19 June 2012 16: 24
    Our Air Force is the best! good
  30. alps
    +1
    19 June 2012 16: 38
    How quickly will US Air Force 18th Wing Commander, Brigadier General Matt Mollow, "retire"?
  31. 0
    19 June 2012 16: 40
    Honest recognition of the Amer general. Surprisingly, decent people remained in the country of perverts.
    1. snek
      0
      19 June 2012 17: 33
      Quote: AK-74-1
      in the country of perverts

      You were there?
  32. +2
    19 June 2012 16: 45
    "If the praises lavished by friends sometimes give rise to doubt their sincerity, then the envy of the enemies deserves complete trust" (c)
  33. +3
    19 June 2012 17: 26
    I'm not a pilot, sailor. In the 40th, 41st, we threatened to throw the Germans with their hats ... But how it happened ... It could be the same story, and more beautiful and better ...
  34. +2
    19 June 2012 17: 45
    They just do not yet know all the possibilities of our Dryers. That's when the Russian pilots will be shown them all the capabilities of these aircraft, then I think that they had the last day of a career in their life. And the article is a big plus +. Let them have fewer such opportunities.
  35. 0
    19 June 2012 18: 00
    Well, what can I say .... The US military once again did not say anything about how they got along ... :)
  36. +2
    19 June 2012 18: 17
    Quote: wbigfire
    And where are our joint training sessions with their F-15, 16, 18, 22? Where is the information about our flights of their strategists V-1, 2, 52? How are we preparing for upcoming events?

    I absolutely agree, they are studying us, and we just started flying. sharper everything needs to be done
    1. Svarog
      +1
      19 June 2012 19: 12
      Right to the point, and I won the tender, I think from their submission!
  37. Odinplys
    +1
    19 June 2012 18: 28
    The best are the best ... and you can’t argue with that ... But to each of our pilots ... on the SU ... to the garage ... it would be nice ...
  38. Marmot
    0
    19 June 2012 18: 44
    Quote: OdinPlys
    The best are the best ... and you can’t argue with that ... But to each of our pilots ... on the SU ... to the garage ... it would be nice ...


    Yeah, until 2015. PLAN !!! (not the fact that they will buy) as many as 30 pieces !!! SU-30, compare with the number of aircraft of this class with amers and weep.
    The tiger was also technically more advanced than the T-34 and Sherman, and why? There were simply more allied tanks and a ku-ku Tigers. It’s not enough to buy an excellent aircraft in the Air Force; you need trained flight and technical personnel, repairs, normal supply, and a whole lot more. There is nothing to rejoice about yet, it is necessary to plow and plow our rulers, so that our army can meet modern requirements in terms of both quality and quantity
    1. perryiht
      +1
      19 June 2012 21: 40
      I am joining. Proud of the Sukhoi Design Bureau. proud for Irkut, but this has nothing to do with the combat effectiveness of our army.
    2. Kaa
      -1
      19 June 2012 22: 54
      The rulers then need to plow, but YOU yourself how-s, did not try? And then someone should .... As for the Tigers, the Shermans just did not contact them, they knocked out aircraft, as well as the S-300, S-400 against their Airfors. The asymmetric answer, you know. But when the number is evened out, then the final performance of the season (for F- 15,16,117,18,22,35 and further on the list) is not planned in the press, and the actual number of MIG and Su performs demonstration flights over the theater of operations clear of enemy aircraft .
  39. -1
    19 June 2012 22: 12
    Let them see that Russia is strong forever!
  40. Prosto vovochka
    +5
    19 June 2012 22: 15
    And yet ... Only a real fight. And not one will show the superiority of this or that aircraft. The level of training of the flight, technical personnel and, perhaps most importantly, the ability of the hydraulic fracturing and control command in radio silence mode to direct the fighter to the target so that the enemy does not see or hear it. What do we have? And we have the P-37 model of the 50th year, the wretched "Turquoise" model of the 80th year and the P-862. Fight boys, you are cool pilots, but they will thresh you like kittens, even on the Su, even on the MiG. And even the MiG-31, an excellent, cool MiG-31, sees only in front. I would like to remind the "aviation complex" is not only an aircraft and its weapons. Everything, absolutely everything, from the convenient and universal keys for the technician, all their lifts, carts, ladders, carriers, etc. and ending with trained personnel in OBATO, OBAU, OBS. Then you can compare. And if, as in this case, they "tumbled" in the air, well, the Papuan went into the tail of the igloo on Drying and hurray-ah-ah-ah, we’ll throw our hats !!!!! It seems that someone even once stood near the plane, judging by the comments, but such a child's screeching is worth it. Not funny, sad from the comments.
    1. Marmot
      +2
      20 June 2012 00: 22
      And I mean the same, they will do it for a penny, trumpet it for a ruble. When we have on TV with pathos they begin to tell that they have carried out some LARGE exercises, and at the end the announcer lists the forces involved, such as: a motorized rifle or airborne battalion, a tank company, a helicopter flight, and what -that our destroyer has worked out joint actions with the US Coast Guard ship to counter terrorism, then I want to cry from this insanity. This is not a goal for the army, there are special services for this. Under the USSR, battalion exercises were something taken for granted, they wrote about the teachings of the GSVG, districts, fleets.
      Recently, at the competitions I talked with officers of the GRU special forces brigade, they told me a terrible secret for a year now, they did not work out the raid and ambush, they were shooting standard infantry shooting exercises AK1-3, PM1-5, SV1-2.
      This is so painful, about the general situevine with the army. There are certainly reasons for pride, but not for complacency, because in general the situation is bad
  41. StrateG
    -1
    19 June 2012 22: 30
    Quote: Pit Bull59

    And I would say this: fly not from the SU-30, but try to fly away from the SU-30.
    Answer


    To the point =)
  42. Marmot
    0
    20 June 2012 00: 04
    Quote: Kaa
    The rulers then need to plow, but YOU yourself how-s, did not try? And then someone should ....

    And I plow, in three jobs Yes
    The actual number of aircraft, as stated, unfortunately crying
    Regarding the S-300, S-400, if you are not up to date, then our Defense Ministry has officially recognized that we have thousands of kilometers of territory not covered by air defense, large cities are covered and not all.
    To convince yourself that you are smarter and stronger than the enemy, without doing anything special, is it a dangerous thing, forgotten in 1941?
    It’s enough to look at the losses of our Air Force in the war with Georgia to sound the alarm
  43. +1
    20 June 2012 03: 46
    5 \ 6 here is a veil before our eyes ........... the plane of war will not win and the victory is won by the strategy and tactics of application and the pilots .... and their level of training ........ with me many will argue (in the form of minuses) but at the moment their pilots are better and this can be seen from the raid hours the desire to learn more about the enemy and many factors ..... (when you already understand that our army and the Air Force in particular are 2 orders of magnitude worse than with amers. and you have to radically decide on this. and not bury your head in the sand, although as I understand it, the professional military understands this, but it’s depressing
  44. elsnike
    +2
    20 June 2012 07: 44
    The F-15 with the engines F100-PW-229 has a higher thrust ratio than the Su-30, and therefore higher max. speed, rate of climb and practical ceiling are the three most important factors for an interceptor fighter. On the other hand, the Su-30 has a more advanced and durable glider; and in combination with AL-31FP engines with a controlled thrust vector, such an aircraft is more maneuverable, which means that it is better than F-15 in Dogfight. Another thing is that American pilots will never come close to drying racks for close combat, in which they will obviously lose, the F-15 is good at long distances, it has a terrible radar and an aiming and navigation system and more advanced avionics. Russian pilots have already conducted training air battles on the Su-27 against the F-15 and F-16 in the 90s in the United States. Our pilots understood what their weakness was and with might and main used only the strengths of their aircraft. Russian pilots simply turned off the airborne radars, unmasking them with their powerful radiation and used only an optical-radar station to aim at the target. Thus, they managed to get closer to the enemy ... well, then everything was old))) There were facts of the defeat of the Americans from the airborne gun !!! and this is aerobatics for a jet fighter pilot. Therefore, I think that American pilots have clear instructions on under no circumstances to engage in dry melee combat, but to shoot them with missiles at the maximum distance, and in this they will give us a head start - that's for sure. Another point: in the United States on combat duty right now there are a sufficient number of F-15s that are constantly being upgraded, American pilots fly at them, honing their skills, conduct training and real battles ... and we (((
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      20 June 2012 10: 53
      Quote: elsnike
      and therefore above max. speed, rate of climb and practical ceiling are the three most important factors for an interceptor fighter.


      I am very glad that new adequate and competent people are appearing on the site who are able to soberly evaluate information, +! drinks
      Roman forgot to point out that our motors have asynchronous deviation of rotary nozzles, but amers only have a deviated thrust vector and synchronous, here we are very ahead of them in over-maneuverability.

      but otherwise you’re right, once again, drinks
  45. kk-64
    0
    21 June 2012 01: 26
    ours have already flown. in amerikozam ..... fought a battle ...... 200 miles from the coast ...... amerikokhi remained in the ass ... with their f-14 / f-16 / f-18. ours were on the su-27 ..... all the battles won ....
  46. elk
    elk
    0
    25 June 2012 16: 50
    Quote: Alexej
    Well, Duc, throw in real truthful (in your opinion) information, otherwise it’s too cleverly you get to throw hats with hats. You must have flown all the aforementioned airplanes, since you are so sensible. Share with us, do not hesitate ...

    Exercises were held, data were obtained, an opinion was expressed. After that, a flurry of derogatory comments about the likely-obvious adversary. They screwed up, and we're all in white. This is hapozakatelstvo. They are all bad and we are the best. No matter how good our gliders and electronics were, if we exclude strategic nuclear forces from a conflict simulation, in a protracted conflict, given the material and technical condition of our armed forces today and comparing them not even with NATO forces but with US forces, the conflict will look like systematic sliding into the abyss. This is a fact that, so I want to be fed up, the leadership of my country is aware and takes appropriate steps. And here is what some commentators breed here, dividing everything into black and white and a priori taking it for granted - which is better for us, and even if you are a f ** k with your arguments, litter for my French - this is maximalism , which again and again will lead to errors, but then it will be too late.

    Quote: Kaa
    I sympathize with your, elk, mind, with which a catastrophe happened due to the fact that the American general did not call the Su-30 a swearing juicy epithet. Do it while you are in shock. "kakbe" experts will appreciate.
    - I don’t even want to comment on this. At a minimum, you should not consider yourself smarter than a stranger, a likely opponent or just an interlocutor. Exactly how to communicate disrespectfully or impolite ....

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