In the US, tested the first "led" drone XQ-58A Valkyrie

In the United States conducted the first flight tests of the slave drone XQ-58A Valkyrie. On March 5 this year, the drone, designed specifically to work in conjunction with a fighter, made its first flight, recognized as successful, writes The Drive.

The development of the XQ-58A Valkyrie guided unmanned vehicle is underway by the US Air Force Research Laboratory with the participation of Kratos Unmanned Aerial Systems. The aim of the project is to create relatively cheap in the production of reusable vehicles that can perform the functions of a fighter, but whose losses during the war will not be financially sensitive. Work has been going on for 2,5 years.

Initially, it was assumed that an unmanned fighter aircraft capable of breaking through the Russian echeloned defense of air defense / missile defense (zone A58 / AD) would be created as part of the XQ-2A project, but this concept was later abandoned. The program is now developing a driven unmanned vehicle capable of working "in conjunction" with the fifth-generation fighter F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II, as well as, possibly, with other aircraft.

There are almost no technical details about the project. All that is known: the length of the 9,1 meter meter, wing span - 8,2 meter. Flight altitude - 13,7 thousand meters. Presumably, the device is designed for a range of about two thousand miles (over three thousand kilometers). The weight of the combat load located in the internal compartment and on the external sling is up to 272 kg. Flight speed - transonic.

As part of the test program, the device must make five flights, during which experts will check the on-board equipment, aerodynamic characteristics, take-off and landing systems.

Comments

[bondrostov]

Well, designing it is not yet done. BUT if they can then it will be a very serious danger to us! For example, I have never heard of unmanned fighter jets this is the first bell, but alarming.

[Chichikov]

Quote: bondrostov

Well to develop it is not done yet

But the timeframe from development to testing is impressive. Our "Hunter", it seems, will also be capable of this, but when ... and what will the notion cost

The goal of the project is the creation of relatively cheap reusable vehicles in production that can serve as a fighter, but whose losses during the war will not be financially sensitive. Work has been ongoing for 2,5 years.

It’s not the same as with "Armata", because they have different concepts, cheap and massive, when comparing our defense budgets.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Chichikov

But the timeframe from development to testing is impressive. Our "Hunter", it seems, will also be capable of this, but when ... and what will the notion cost

Say thanks to Poghosyan, who actually destroyed the MiG Skat ...

[bayard]

May he not be an unmanned fighter. It will be a bomber of one bomb (272 kg bomb load weight kg.) Or, if you will, a reusable cruise missile. Subsonic and subtle.
And the demonstration was staged in response to "Zircon", "Poseidon" and "Vanguard" - you have to answer with something, if not equivalent, then at least "asymmetric". They are now in a crisis with instruments of intimidation, so they are improvising.

[Tarhan]

And the demonstration was staged in response to "Zircon", "Poseidon"

For the Zircon project, which is still only on paper, the United States already has an active X-51. At Poseidon, which is also still on paper, the United States has already launched a killer whale in a series.

Google and understand who answers whom.

[bayard]

Quote: Tarkhan

For the Zircon project, which is still only on paper, the United States already has an active X-51.

What place does it operate? How many times flew? How long and who hit?
X-51 is not a rocket, but a DEMONSTRATOR - an engine with a heat-resistant sock and nothing more! Uncontrollable (only stabilized), without GOS, warhead ... flying once about 400 km in a straight line and BURNED! The project is closed and recognized in the US as a dead end.
And you will be very surprised that the X-51 is an attempt to implement the apparatus based on the materials and developments of the Soviet program "Kholod". We did not have time to begin practical tests then - the program was closed by order of Gorbachev. The Americans tried to use our materials and got into a puddle - quite naturally.

And in Russia the "Cold" program was continued and is now implemented in the Kyrgyz Republic "Zircon", which flies over 1 km. , strikes targets, manageable and compact.

F-35 by the way, too, our engineers and designers developed and assembled - KB them. Yakovleva, according to an official interstate agreement, handed over the documentation and assigned a large group of designers. Engine, gearbox, fan, rotary supersonic nozzle, general architecture, power set ... This is all Yakovlev’s design bureau. I met with one of the participants in this disgrace, he showed me the clock donated by Bush.

Quote: Tarkhan

At Poseidon, which is also still on paper, the United States has already launched a killer whale in a series.

Have your troll factory completely lost qualifications?
Every "Killer Whale" has its own "Harpsichord", but they have nothing to cover for "Poseidon" - neither to intercept, nor to portray a similar threat.
"Poseidon" is already in working order, tested, checked and you can launch it even from the pier.
Such fools drown continents.

[Tarhan]

X-51 is not a rocket

Right This is not a war rocket. This is an experienced hypersonic missile on which everything is being worked out. But Zircon and this is not.

The project is closed and recognized in the US as a dead end

Lying. Provide data.

And in Russia the program "Cold" was continued and is now implemented in the Kyrgyz Republic "Zircon", which flies for 1 thousand km. ,

There is no Zircon in the design, only in the design on paper. Therefore, Zircon has never flown.
1000 kilometers is also not true. Zircon is developed at a shorter range, at 500 km. Here are its suggested characteristics.

F-35 by the way, too, our engineers and designers developed and assembled - KB them. Yakovleva, according to an official interstate agreement, handed over the documentation and assigned a large group of designers

Some kind of insanity turns out. The Russians created the F-35 and gave it to the United States, and the Su-57 itself cannot bring it to condition. No, you have to be a patriot, but not buffoonery.

but they have nothing to cover "Poseidon" - neither to intercept, nor to portray a similar threat.

Again Poseidon only on paper. A ... Boeing, commissioned by the US Department of Defense, has launched a series of four underwater, unmanned vehicles "Kasatka".

The boat reaches a length of 15,5 meters. The weight of the drone is almost 50 tons. The maximum diving depth is 3 meters. Overcomes 000 km underwater.
Unmanned "Killer Whales" will not be limited only to reconnaissance missions, they can also be used to sink various enemy ships at a great distance from their home bases, laying mines, destruction of enemy submarines.
Such a device can be equipped with a torpedo with a nuclear charge, or by placing on its board an integrated nuclear charge integrated into the design of the submarine itself. In this case, the drone turns into a kind of "weapon of retaliation", designed to strike at the enemy in the event of a full-scale nuclear war.

I met with one of the participants in this disgrace, he showed me the clock donated by Bush.

Leave such arguments to children and malacholny. For example, I met with a dinosaur and how this can be associated with the release of Killer Whales.

[And Vasya.]

Tarkhan! Read carefully! X-51 - only on paper and did not reach hypersonic speed and flight range, according to recent tests (hibernation is a speed of more than 5M) - in the USA this is a big problem. The killer whale is also on paper, not in a series. And no one knows about Zircon and Poseidon, including you, and therefore you do not need to assert and assume about it. You, as always in your own style!

[Tarhan]

Tarkhan! Read carefully! X-51 - only on paper and did not reach hypersonic speed and flight range, according to recent tests (hibernation is a speed of more than 5M)

Hypersonic speed is from 5 dr 7 Machs. Above 7, this is already 1 space. Here you are not on paper.

Starts with the B-52.

The first independent flight of the Boeing X-51 was carried out in May 2010. During the fourth test hypersonic test aircraft X-51A, a world record was set for the duration of flight using a ramjet engine, and the maximum speed that the WaveRider developed was Mach 5.1 (5 km / h). After dropping the X-417A from under the wing of the bomber, the device switched on its accelerating solid propellant rocket engine, with which it was accelerated to a speed of Mach 51 (4.8 km / h). After the exhausted solid-fuel accelerator was reset, the device turned on the ramjet engine, which is capable of operating only at hypersonic speeds. On the thrust of a ram engine, the vehicle accelerated to a record speed of Mach 5098 and flew at such a speed until the JP-5.1 jet fuel reserve was exhausted.
By the way, the fuel supply for the direct exhaust pipe is 12 kg of kerosene.

About Killer Whale, see above.

[bayard]

What a dreamer you are. American Urikalok heard enough? So they were silent for a long time, exactly as the program was closed - as a dead end. Now they are about to open again, several tens of millions have been allocated for this. The lag behind Russia is estimated by AMERICAN specialists at 10 - 15 years.

And the reliability of the fact of tests, the speed and range of flights of the experienced "Zircons" are confirmed by the data of the AMERICAN reconnaissance with the fixation of all parameters (range, speed, altitude) of their flight. You look at their reports and analytics, in their publications - Google will translate. There, no one doubts the reality of "Zircon", and its range too.

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: bayard

the speed and range of flights of the experienced "Zircons" are confirmed by the data of the AMERICAN intelligence

Information from CNBC channel which refers to some anonymous intelligence source? Well this is definitely "confirmation"

[bayard]

Is that all you found?
Sorry .

[Tarhan]

And the reliability of the fact of tests, speed and range of flights of experienced "Zirkons"

I showed you the X-51, the killer whale. Now do you show Zircon?

Apart from the alleged illustrations, there is nothing.

[And Vasya.]

Tarkhan! It's ugly to write a lie like that - as always, fake data, you write the parameters of the X-51 that the American drone has never reached !!! A competent user Old 26 tried to explain this to you many times, but you continue to write the same fakes !!! The X-51 program was canceled, since the prototype did not reach hypersonic speed and flew about 420 km ... For people like you, Hypersonic speed - this is how aerodynamics denotes the value following supersonic speed. It is 6 - 150 km / h (12–300 m / s). So count it will be more than 1M. Tarkhan, and you showed complete illiteracy about hypersonic speed !!! You are probably here engaged in "hybrid warfare" on military review and you do not care about the veracity of the information, thereby trying to discredit the website Voennoye Obozreniye and Russian military equipment !? As always - in my repertoire.

[And Vasya.]

Tarkhan! Learn to count and do not show your ignorance about the first cosmic speed ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: bayard

May he not be an unmanned fighter. It will be a bomber of one bomb (272 kg bomb load weight kg.) Or, if you will, a reusable cruise missile. Subsonic and subtle.

And if there are a hundred or two of such drones in the pack? Such a flock will be able to do a lot of trouble ... and the goal is hardly noticeable ... and the air defense systems and interceptors will still have to try hard to absorb such a swarm.

[bayard]

For all its stealth, this drone is the same cruise missile with all its vulnerabilities. Especially from EW funds.
Moreover, his price will be an order of magnitude more expensive than a conventional cruise missile (and the largest), so it’s possible to build a lot of them in order to operate in swarms, but it will be expensive.
The disadvantage of a pepelatsa relative to conventional cruise missiles is that they need an airfield and pre-flight maintenance for takeoff, just like a conventional aircraft. While the same "Caliber" starts from any platform directly from the container, it has a larger radius (2500 km versus 1500 km) and one and a half times more powerful warhead.

To combat this fruit of a gloomy American genius will have fighter aircraft, electronic warfare and short-range air defense systems.

[Katanikotael]

Without a full-fledged AI, or at least a greatly truncated current one, which is allowed to maneuver and bullet rather than an operator, this is not a pack but a train.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Katanikotael

Without a full-fledged AI, or at least a greatly truncated current one, which is allowed to maneuver and bullet rather than an operator, this is not a pack but a train.

Highly recommend a look. how students of a regular university in the year 13 resolved issues of a joint flock to perform joint tasks ...
Watch starting at 10:00, but better all.
This will make you understand what ordinary students are capable of ...



And when will there be global funding. Like in Raphael, Boeing. Lockheed - the results will be much more serious ...

[northern]

The world is getting closer and closer to Skynet’s birth, alarming.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: north

The world is getting closer and closer to Skynet’s birth, alarming.

Glad I'm not alone.

[Errr]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: north

The world is getting closer and closer to Skynet’s birth, alarming.

Glad I'm not alone.

Guys, take a third?

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Herrr

Guys, take a third?

If a colleague northern don't mind - I'm only for it!

[northern]

Find what to figure out :-)

[Tarhan]

Well, designing it is not yet done.

This prototype has already flown. And it seems to me that when the 57th generation is launched into the small Su-5 series, the United States will launch the 6th generation unmanned fighter into the mass series.

And then for about five years they threw bonnets and felt boots into the air, touching with the promises of the Russian Defense Ministry.

[bayard]

Why do you need our dearest Su-57? Air defense and fighter aircraft will work against enemy aircraft and the Kyrgyz Republic, while stealth is not required - he is a hunter, they are game. If the game gives a voice (turns on the radar), it will be immediately destroyed. And what will they look at during the raid? And do not talk about AWACS planes - the first priority target for long-range air defense and IA missiles. Your radar? Well then, welcome.

Quote: Tarkhan

This prototype has already flown.

A prototype of reusable missiles with the same vulnerability as conventional missiles flew. Especially from electronic warfare.

[Tarhan]

Why do you need our dearest Su-57? Air defense and fighter will work against enemy aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic

You do not have that roll in your mind. I am not against Russian weapons. Create, test, enter the troops.

But I am against thoughtless propaganda, outrageous statements, unfulfilled promises. The United States silently developed and launched the Killer Whale series, without hollow sack. But when it was launched then it was reported.
And against mindless posts of praise of what is not yet and the simultaneous, illiterate reproach of what is already a potential adversary. By all logic, you need to take a closer look at what has appeared and introduce the best into your own.
A good example is the Su-57, Armata, Altair, MS-21. They boasted about ten years, but they are still not in the troops.

[Vladislav_2]

And what is the speed? ... clearly not like that of fighters

[Vladislav_2]

As a "fake" goal is the waste of missiles! .... such a "krauha" should be scared on approach

[voyaka uh]

Subsonic. "Transonic".
F-35 is optimized for a speed of 0.85-0.9 MAX. And this drone too.
To make it convenient to go in a bunch.

[bondrostov]

What's the point? at speed 1 MAX fights or something

[voyaka uh]

According to statistics, 90% of air battles - firing rockets - took place at transonic speeds. At the afterburner usually broke away from the chase.

[bondrostov]

Well, duck, and back shooting at enemy territory without a super sound go or throw a drone?

[voyaka uh]

Tactics have not yet been developed. While developing the drones themselves. In Russia, it is called the Hunter, it seems. It is also subsonic.

[bayard]

The drone (drones) will bomb, fighters (F-22 \ F-35) to cover at the exit. In the case of a serious racket, drones will be abandoned - for that they are so small and cheap. This is the alphabet ...

[11 black]

Quote: voyaka uh

According to statistics, 90% of air battles - firing rockets - took place at transonic speeds. At the afterburner usually broke away from the chase.

This is only because it was not possible to maintain a formless supersonic.

Su-35, for example, is capable of flying a supersonic without using afterburner - so why should it fly slower?

A high-speed fighter aircraft capable of maintaining a cruising speed of several numbers M is a formidable fighting machine, because using high speed it can easily enter the mutual defeat zone for a shot at the enemy, but he will most likely have time to get out of it, but the subsonic enemy hardly.

The characteristics of rocket weapons from high carrier speed increase, the requirements for enemy missiles and many other advantages increase.

In general, I think the future is for heavy speed platforms with a large number of powerful and long-range missiles - if you install a powerful radar on the Tu-22М3, capable of detecting an enemy fighter for hundreds of kilometers and suspending a half or two dozen P-37 and several P-73 ( for self-defense) it will be a very formidable fighter - C-400 battery flying in supersonic

[Avior]

imagine a turning radius on a few M?
Overload limiting in 9,5 has not been canceled.

[11 black]

Quote: Avior

imagine a turning radius on a few M?
Overload limiting in 9,5 has not been canceled.

You are absolutely right, but progress does not stand still.

In any case, it is possible to maneuver with an acceptable turning radius and overloads at a speed somewhat higher than the speed of sound ...

[Avior]

with acceptable turning radius

acceptable - the concept is subtle.
for example, if you need to leave the enemy’s zone of destruction, you need to turn around as quickly as possible. only this cannot be done at high speed; overloads will interfere.
Actually, the fighter you are writing about has been around for a very long time

A high-speed fighter aircraft capable of supporting a cruising speed of several M numbers is a formidable combat vehicle, because using high speed it can easily enter the mutual destruction zone to shoot at the enemy

This is a MiG-31.
But since it is optimized for high speeds, its maneuverability is very low.
This is a fairly specialized interceptor.
Now the global trend is strictly the opposite - to make universal fighters.

[And Vasya.]

voyaka uh! You're not right! Try to get away from 40N6 missiles - you are tormented.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: And Vasya.

voyaka uh! You're not right! Try to get away from 40N6 missiles - you are tormented.

Do they have any? Are these rockets then?
The first types for China were and they soaked in the TPK like that. that they were supposedly worthless and everything was destroyed ...
Oh well...

[And Vasya.]

SovAr238A! Don't write your childish guesses! And also do not "shine" with what you do not know ... This is about the LPI mode in the F-35 radar! Storyteller and nothing more! Learn radar and radio engineering first!
For people like you:
LPI mode for detection distances has nothing to do with the maximum or working radar detection distances. because it is determined by other parameters.
The maximum distance in theory is up to 55 km, in real life less than 50 km. with the complete absence of jamming from the enemy, because this mode is very sensitive to the noise component.
This distance is on the border of the detection distance of an aircraft operating in LPI by means of optoelectronic target search. For fighters of the last generation, it approaches 60-70 km. for inconspicuous targets in the ir range.

[And Vasya.]

Missing - no!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: And Vasya.

Missing - no!

Romario Agro - have you repainted chtoli?
Your second nickname?
I recognize you by style ...

[And Vasya.]

SovAr238A (Al)! I'm not Romario Agro! I am the one who taught the visitors of the Military Review to calculate the detection range of drones, including the Pantsirem-S1 air defense system.

[bondrostov]

Well, if in a bunch they will work as a leader - a slave, then it should be like the F-22, otherwise I do not understand how this can work.

[Marconi41]

Quote: bondrostov

I don’t understand how it can work.

Why not? The drone will cover the plane with the pilot. In such cases, they often attack the nearest target, and therefore the more expensive aircraft will not suffer. What is bad? And in the event of an attack, the same lizard or Lightning indicates the target to the drone.

[Reserve buildbat]

And in conjunction with the f-22 and f-35, this UAV will ensure the deprivation of the "best in the world" and "only" fighters of the 5th generation (yeah, especially the flightless penguin) of such "mandatory for a fighter of the 5th generation" quality as the afterburner supersonic.

[bondrostov]

Quote: Stroibat stock

for the 5th generation fighter "

I believe the 22nd, like the 35th, 4 ++ because I do not believe in their invisibility

[Reserve buildbat]

Their mattresses are called 5 generation fighters. True, in some characteristics they are inferior to our fighter generations 4 and 4 + (for example, by the presence of OLS)

[Tuzik]

OLS is more important than a smaller EPR?

[Reserve buildbat]

More important at times. It is known that the lower ESR is achieved in polygon conditions and for a certain narrow range of radio wavelengths. So this is not a panacea. And the OLS, by the way, allows you to monitor the situation without turning on the emitting devices. Fu-22 with the radar turned off sees only what the pilot sees "glazedly", that is, practically nothing. And when the radar is turned on, it "glows" for such hundreds of kilometers that the RCS does not matter.

[Tuzik]

And I think that if it hadn’t, they wouldn’t have done the Su-57

[Reserve buildbat]

At night, a black suit will reduce your visibility. But this decrease will not matter if you have the flashlight on, attached to your chest. The same is with EPR. While the radar is off, the plane is less visible. But he himself "sees" only what the pilot sees visually or with the help of the OLS system, which does not emit. There is no OLS on the Fu-22, so it is blind without a radar. Although less noticeable than a regular plane. The Su-57 has an OLS, and a good one. That is, he is not blind at all without turning on the radar.

[Tuzik]

The flashlight can be turned on, seen and immediately turned off. Will you find a thief in the yard after this night?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: stock buildbat

At night, a black suit will reduce your visibility. But this decrease will not matter if you have the flashlight on, attached to your chest. The same is with EPR. While the radar is off, the plane is less visible. But he himself "sees" only what the pilot sees visually or with the help of the OLS system, which does not emit. There is no OLS on the Fu-22, so it is blind without a radar. Although less noticeable than a regular plane. The Su-57 has an OLS, and a good one. That is, he is not blind at all without turning on the radar.

But what if you are in service 15, and the flashlight uses only 1? Or what will happen if no one is using the flashlight, and the drone plane from the spotlight shines from the neighboring block?

[Avior]

on F-22, the bet was placed on the RTR intelligence station.
30 different antennas from all sides, and a computer that stitches everything into one picture.
The radar is turned on for a very short time before firing for clarification.
But it works or not, no one has yet checked. like so much more.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: stock buildbat

More important at times. It is known that the lower ESR is achieved in polygon conditions and for a certain narrow range of radio wavelengths. So this is not a panacea. And the OLS, by the way, allows you to monitor the situation without turning on the emitting devices. Fu-22 with the radar turned off sees only what the pilot sees "glazedly", that is, practically nothing. And when the radar is turned on, it "glows" for such hundreds of kilometers that the RCS does not matter.

If you were interested in what the LPI mode of AFAR is, you would know. that so far there is no possibility of early warning and detection of the fact of radar operation in this mode.
He has his own powerful means of STR and RTR.
He has almost Ryl-time display of information received from AWACS aircraft.
and he didn’t need OLS.
Just not needed.
He already detected targets over hundreds of kilometers - not including an active search for his radar,
It was in those years.
Now the best OLS is in the F-35 ...

[And Vasya.]

SovAr238A! Storyteller and no more! Learn to begin with radar and radio engineering!
For people like you:
The LPI mode for the detection distance has nothing to do with the maximum or working radar detection distances. since it is determined by other parameters.
The maximum distance in theory is up to 55 km, in reality less than 50 km, in the complete absence of jamming by the enemy, because This mode is very sensitive to the noise component.
This distance is on the border of the detection distance of an aircraft operating in LPI by means of optoelectronic target search. For fighters of the last generation, it approaches 60-70 km. for inconspicuous targets in the ir range.
And about your expression: "The F-35 has the best OLS now ..." - no need to write and assume what you do not know!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: And Vasya.

SovAr238A! Storyteller and no more! Learn to begin with radar and radio engineering!
For people like you:
The LPI mode for the detection distance has nothing to do with the maximum or working radar detection distances. since it is determined by other parameters.
The maximum distance in theory is up to 55 km, in reality less than 50 km, in the complete absence of jamming by the enemy, because This mode is very sensitive to the noise component.
This distance is on the border of the detection distance of an aircraft operating in LPI by means of optoelectronic target search. For fighters of the last generation, it approaches 60-70 km. for inconspicuous targets in the ir range.
And about your expression: "The F-35 has the best OLS now ..." - no need to write and assume what you do not know!

And if I say that LPI works at a distance of 180 km?
and exactly this mode is the consolidation of all controlled noise and pseudo-noise components?
especially if it's 1000 hertz?
Is that a noise?

And I will say. what exactly are you a storyteller, hiding in general terms about a theory - a liar?

[And Vasya.]

SovAr238A (Al)! Do not show your complete illiteracy. You already showed it above. If you don’t understand then, namely the theory of noise-like signals, you don’t know the theory of radio circuits, radio engineering, radar. And do not write false data - first, compare the level of the emitted noise-like radio signal with respect to the noise level, and then the same receiving noise-like radio signal with respect to noise - and you will never get a range above 50 km! The rest is advertising fairy tales, even the processing algorithms for receiving noise-like signals will not give anything with a weak, at the noise level, emitted signal! And your value of 1000 Hz will not be radiated in space - this is the range of sound frequencies (bass).

[And Vasya.]

SovAr238A (Al)! Maybe I was too harsh? Excuse me!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: And Vasya.

And your value of 1000 Hz will not be radiated in space - this is the range of sound frequencies (bass).

You didn’t even understand that 1000 hertz is the operating mode of the clock generator that switches (according to the pseudo-random law) the value of the frequency of the radar signal transmission in LPI mode.
And do not write nonsense about that. What never.
For some reason, LPI-mode is done and implemented by all manufacturers of AFAR.
And they do it.
But here are home-grown know-it-alls, who really don’t know anything-prove about 50km.
Sound the source of knowledge that ...

[And Vasya.]

SovAr238A (Al)! You have once again shown that you do not speak a competent technical language in the field of radar and knowledge!

Quote: SovAr238A

and exactly this mode is the consolidation of all controlled noise and pseudo-noise components?
especially if it's 1000 hertz?
Is that a noise?

You write about what you don’t understand!

Quote: SovAr238A

You didn’t even understand that 1000 hertz is the operating mode of the clock generator that switches (according to the pseudo-random law) the value of the frequency of the radar signal transmission in LPI mode.

For people like you, this is the repetition frequency of the master device - the synchronizer, and not the frequency of the radar signal, and not only in the LPI mode. You were very mistaken. Learn radar!
And everything else that I wrote above remains true.

[We_smart]

They have DRLO aircraft for rl backlighting.

[bondrostov]

here they gave me 2 minuses, but no one said in argument how the small ESR of the 22nd is confirmed except for the words of the Americans?

[Tuzik]

Yes, I gave one, there wrote above why

[Vol4ara]

Quote: bondrostov

here they gave me 2 minuses, but no one said in argument how the small ESR of the 22nd is confirmed except for the words of the Americans?

We’ll give you something else and give it until you explain how it is refuted

[bondrostov]

And if I say that my wings have grown, I have to prove or you refute!?
Our Defense Ministry has repeatedly stated that the F-22, like 35, is visible on our radars.
This means that if we (a potential enemy of the United States) see their planes, then they are not invisible. Father-in-law 4 ++
Or command me to believe the United States, not the MO?

[Tarhan]

This means that if we (a potential enemy of the United States) see their planes, then they are not invisible.

So you are still not in the subject if you talk about invisible planes. There are no invisible aircraft, but there is a difference.

The 6th generation fighter will see the 5th generation fighter, on the radar, over 200 km. 5 will see the 6th for 100 km. Total handicap of 100 km, this makes it possible to shoot down the 5th for 150 km.

[bondrostov]

Quote: Tarkhan

The 6th generation fighter will see the 5th generation fighter, on the radar, over 200 km. 5 will see the 6th for 100 km.

Then it turns out that the very concept of generation 4,5 is very arbitrary. Because the real EPR is not F-22 not F-35 we do not know.

[Tarhan]

Because the real EPR is not F-22 not F-35 we do not know.

The EPR of their US aircraft is everywhere reported. This is not only a technical innovation, but also an advertisement for sale.

The EPR of the Su-35 is 0,7 m, for the F-22 it is 0,1 m, and in the frontal plane is 0,001 m. According to Russian data, the Su-35 can detect the F-22 for 95 km. Based on EPR compliance, the F-22 will detect the Su-35 over 200 km.

The average EPR value for F-35 is 0,001 m.

[And Vasya.]

Tarkhan! As always, unfounded statements and fake data from American advertising sites and no more! And before asserting false data about the detection of the Su-57, count it ... Weak? Then do not write about what you do not know!

[And Vasya.]

Tarkhan! Allegations! Prove it with calculations?

[And Vasya.]

Tarkhan! By! The requirements for the 6th generation fighters are not voiced and they are only in development, and this is a long process. And do not write children's calculations about what the world does not have yet!

[And Vasya.]

Tarkhan! Allegations! Prove it? You can estimate at least. Weak?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: And Vasya.

Tarkhan! Allegations! Prove it? You can estimate at least. Weak?

Why hysteria like that? 4 times wrote the same thing ...

[And Vasya.]

SovAr238A! Read carefully if you don’t see the point ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: And Vasya.

SovAr238A! Read carefully if you don’t see the point ...

I see hysteria - written 4 times about the allegations ...
You express yourself at the expense of others. whether?
Self-conceit by the number of posts - exalt. repeating the same thing?

[And Vasya.]

SovAr238A (Al)! No comments!

[Tuzik]

the construction of the 57th

[bondrostov]

Quote: Tuzik

the construction of the 57th

Did they build a lot of them?
Maybe it's not about money, but about inexpediency?

[Tarhan]

Did they build a lot of them?
Maybe it's not about money, but about inexpediency?

Matters are not in money and expediency, but in sanctions. Composite, avionics, electronic component and so on ceased to come from abroad. So they cast a shadow on the wattle fence, they say, dear.

Yes, if it were money, then Deripaska, Rottenberg, Sechin, Lisin, Timchinko, Potanin could each give money for one regiment. There are two divisions. And there are 200 such billionaires in Russia. They could build a whole air army.

[bondrostov]

Quote: Tarkhan

Composite, avionics, electronic component and so on ceased to come from abroad.

I think important technologies and materials have not been sold to us before. And sanctions, if you wish, can be circumvented through a shell company even in Kazakhstan and Belarus.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: bondrostov

Quote: Tarkhan

Composite, avionics, electronic component and so on ceased to come from abroad.

I think important technologies and materials have not been sold to us before. And sanctions, if you wish, can be circumvented through a shell company even in Kazakhstan and Belarus.

Are you serious?
Sanctions can be circumvented 1 time, and then lose everything.
Just as Hitachi lost everything in due time, having missed a couple of machines through 10-current shell companies in SovSoyuz.

and then both the owners and the whole chain were tracked and all for kukan ...
And fines and prisons were provided to everyone.

[voyaka uh]

The F-35 has an IR optical system AN / AAQ-37

[Reserve buildbat]

Thanks, I'll see)

[SovAr238A]

Quote: voyaka uh

The F-35 has an IR optical system AN / AAQ-37

You forgot about that. that the F-35 has a bunch of two OLS systems ...
AN / AAQ-40 EOTS (Electro-Optical Targeting System)
и
AN / AAQ-37 DAS (Distributed Aperture System)

[Tarhan]

I believe the 22nd, like the 35th, 4 ++ because I do not believe in their invisibility

To believe not to believe this is a master's business. You may not even believe that the Earth is round and believe that it is flat. From your I believe, I do not believe the Earth will not change and the 5th generation stripper will not disappear.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Tarkhan

You may not even believe that the Earth is round and believe that it is flat.

You can also believe that the earth is round and not believe that the earth is flat ... most likely this and that is not true))) But you have no evidence or counterargument, neither in the first nor in the second case .. I will tell you more, there is a version that the earth is round, but flat ... you just need to decide if its edge is flat or steep. And with the fighters you need to decide where v4 ends and v5 begins.

[voyaka uh]

You'd better think what such a combination gives: a large number of cheap absolutely "fearless" attack aircraft, which real living pilots will have to fight off ...

[Reserve buildbat]

Let's keep quiet about cheapness, otherwise this "cheap", in my opinion, will soon become more expensive than the new Su-35
And "Fearlessness" should not be confused with "Brainlessness", which these units will have in full.

[bondrostov]

Yes, the fact that it will not be cheap, it’s understandable, but the Americans have more money than ours.

[_Ugene_]

in any case, this is the only right way, even for overloads the limit for man has already been reached, it’s pointless to increase the speed / maneuverability of manned vehicles than for example the Su-57, at maximum overload conditions in the Su-57 such that it is already extremely difficult for pilots to cope, even only the best, the elite will be there in high-altitude suits, and the drone in this sense does not care and does not need years of training as for a pilot, not to mention the fact that people’s lives are not at risk

[PSih2097]

Quote: Stroibat stock

Let's keep quiet about cheapness, otherwise this "cheap", in my opinion, will soon become more expensive than the brand new Su-35 laughing

Any pilot will be more expensive than a drone, you have to give birth to him, educate, learn, spend a bunch of PSU and fuel plus an airplane resource ...
But after that, you may arise about the cost ...
For reference, a pilot - a fighter captain of the Navy - costs the United States $ 250 and this is just training ...

[Tuzik]

Thank you Lyosha for interesting and logical comments. I haven’t seen others here at that time.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: voyaka uh

You'd better think about what such a combination gives: a large number of cheap absolutely "fearless" attack aircraft, which real living pilots will have to fight off

Stormbreaker 9 November 18, 2012 20:40
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PAK FA compared with American counterparts
Most modern fighters have computerized flight controls, and the devices also convert human efforts (changing the position of the handle or rudder pedals) into energy, which sets the machine's controls in motion. these devices limit the maneuvering ability of the aircraft so that the pilot's body can withstand the resulting overload. in fact, the wings, rudders and fluselage are also capable of withstanding overloads that will simply kill a person. the goal of the combat UAV program is to disembark the pilot from the plane and provide him with the opportunity to control from the information center. motto - "keep the pilot's head in the cockpit, let everything else stay at home"

new UAVs will have very high performance characteristics and will be able to solve tasks that are too dangerous for manned fighters. Removing a person from an airplane will eliminate many of the restrictions currently imposed on his design. the mass of the pilot is only 15% of the mass of the payload, while the cost of his life-support systems reaches almost 50% of the cost of the aircraft. the presence of the pilot in the cockpit determines the duration of the flight, the need to seal the cockpit, dictates a certain location of the power plants. limits maneuverability, etc. UAVs will make it possible to strike from high altitudes, as well as participate in conventional attacks on the roadside maneuverability of an air defense fighter and even their missile weapons.
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[1Alexey]

I think that they are unlikely to be independent fighter robots, there has not yet been created such intelligence that would be trusted with the independent use of weapons.

Most likely, it will be just a flying platform, from which, according to the radio command of the pilot of the leading fighter, aiming and shooting at the target will be performed.
Also, along the flight path, it will most likely be tied by radio commands to the leading aircraft and is unlikely to be capable of independent maneuvering independent of the leading aircraft.

And, if I am right in my assumptions, the question arises: how will this drone behave if it hits a leading plane (leaves the battle and turns back to the base or switches to ground control, but then why do you need control from the leading plane, because this it distracts his attention, then they would control only from the Earth).

In addition, there was already a lot of information on the Internet about the takeover of American drones, and even if they take over control? He probably will not be able to shoot at his own, but ramming?

[MONTEVIDEO01]

It’s analogous to our Hunter, but cheaper and more massive, as it seems to me, because with today's air defense of aircraft you won’t get enough.

[Korax71]

Yes, it’s not clear who whose analogue is. This one is already flying, the hunter is running only on takeoff

[dinis]

That's interesting.

[Professor]

This is the first step towards the 6 generation fighter. This bird will work out both technology and tactics.

[Errr]

If "Hunter" is an eagle,
This one is just a falcon!

[dgonni]

I’m wondering. That No one at VO noticed one strong thing in terms of state drones. And there the location of the air intakes is always at the top. And this trend is smoothly moving to the 6th generation aircraft of all countries. For the air intake in the lower part a priori will give a glare from the radar during the maneuver.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: dgonni

I’m wondering. That No one at VO noticed one strong thing in terms of state drones. And there the location of the air intakes is always at the top. And this trend is smoothly moving to the 6th generation aircraft of all countries. For the air intake in the lower part a priori will give a glare from the radar during the maneuver.

By the way, yes

[Tuzik]

Regarding a strong thing, maybe so, or maybe some other factor, but about "smoothly moving to 6th generation aircraft of all countries" I turned it down.)

[rotem15]

Quote: Vladislav_2

As a "fake" goal is the waste of missiles! .... such a "krauha" should be scared on approach

Yes, and Iskander, petrels, and next to the water Poseidon and for a snack avant-garde yes leopards, cougars and C500

[Dzafdet]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: stock buildbat

More important at times. It is known that the lower ESR is achieved in polygon conditions and for a certain narrow range of radio wavelengths. So this is not a panacea. And the OLS, by the way, allows you to monitor the situation without turning on the emitting devices. Fu-22 with the radar turned off sees only what the pilot sees "glazedly", that is, practically nothing. And when the radar is turned on, it "glows" for such hundreds of kilometers that the RCS does not matter.

If you were interested in what the LPI mode of AFAR is, you would know. that so far there is no possibility of early warning and detection of the fact of radar operation in this mode.
He has his own powerful means of STR and RTR.
He has almost Ryl-time display of information received from AWACS aircraft.
and he didn’t need OLS.
Just not needed.
He already detected targets over hundreds of kilometers - not including an active search for his radar,
It was in those years.
Now the best OLS is in the F-35 ...

Both ours and Europeans pinpoint LPI, the question is distance. The best OLS among the French. They calmly spotted the F-35 from 95 km ..

[AAK]

A "ligamentous" drone is temporary, too dependent on the broadband and noise immunity of the information exchange channel; when connected to a "brain" aircraft, it requires a 2nd crew member who will not be able to fully control more than 2 drones when performing a combat mission (the need to control a multitude of parameters and lack of time to perform a maneuver or perform another action), we will still come to the need for a full-fledged AI.

[Oquzyurd]

The Turkish company IHA Baykar Makina is conducting serious work in the direction of UAVs with jet engines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq3JMIW-M_o Since 2013, they have developed, built and are testing multi-jet engines for UAVs and fighter aircraft. https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = x3ndspzt8eA

[av58]

Which is more efficient: 10.000 such drones or 1 Yars? The Americans seem to be replaying the results of past wars.

[lvov_aleksey]

Mlyn, everything is clear, the pilot at 35 sits behind the joystick and puts drones under our missiles - I am alive and killed his motto
ps they need to sell ...

[kukriniks]

This is a cartoon.

[Errr]

You are absolutely right. The video is 100% cartoony.

[Evil echo]

The key word is slave. The question is why this?

[curio]

A long time ago, about 10 years ago, maybe I watched more about the F-22 And F-35 story and at the end the speech of the US Air Force General, that most likely these planes will be the last generation with pilots on board and the next stage in the development of aviation is drones ... Unfortunately, their words do not differ much from deeds, unlike us.

[Uruska]

Good project. You need to create something like that. After all, there can be as many followers (1-10, etc.)

[Pajamas]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: bayard

May he not be an unmanned fighter. It will be a bomber of one bomb (272 kg bomb load weight kg.) Or, if you will, a reusable cruise missile. Subsonic and subtle.

And if there are a hundred or two of such drones in the pack? Such a flock will be able to do a lot of trouble ... and the goal is hardly noticeable ... and the air defense systems and interceptors will still have to try hard to absorb such a swarm.

Oh, Mine Goth, Nexus in his repertoire, 100-200 pieces, how will they fly at your place - along the front? together? a ball? friend after friend And of course, no one can detect such a cluster. Moreover, they fly in tandem with the Fighter, this is another 100-200 combat aircraft, well, well. Even if it will be possible to control 2-3 fighters from one fighter, what I doubt is at least 70 more combat aircraft. What a dreamer.

[17085]

Yes, this is essentially a returnable medium-range missile, and ground-based!
And it was developed more than one year ...

[Viknt]

The real value of the EPR of amerskiye pepelatsev is a terrible (commercial) secret even for the Pentagon. If you don't cheat, you won't sell. As a general rule, in practice it turns out that the characteristics declared by Western companies are "somewhat" exaggerated. That does not in the least confuse the sofa "experts" who are ready to relay any nonsense with foam at the mouth.
How much will a sixth generation American aircraft cost if a fifth generation aircraft costs several hundred million? The navel will not untie?
It will be necessary to see how many fifth-generation aircraft will pull the economies of producer countries. And is it necessary to create such aircraft !? NO to our money! This is about the same story that at one time, having happened to battleships, they are expensive, go to the bottom with one present.
Most likely the fifth generation in this form will be few. Significant cost reduction in the coming years is difficult to expect. Most likely, we can expect the transition to less expensive drones of the sixth generation.