New state of emergency with the Kazakhstani border guards: 11 fighters at once started off

Eleven servicemen voluntarily left the frontier post in the east of Kazakhstan, the press service of the frontier service of the National Security Committee of the republic reported on Tuesday.

“Early in the morning of June 18, eleven servicemen of the urgent service of the border guard post“ Tersayryk ”of the Zaisan border guard detachment of the Regional Department“ Shygys ”, called up in November 2011, without permission weapons left the territory of the outpost, "- said in a statement.

It is reported that "having discovered this fact, the head of the outpost tried to independently organize a search, informing the command of this emergency only in the evening."

Currently, the Border Guard, the Department of Internal Affairs and the National Security Committee are conducting search activities. Protection at this section of the state border is carried out by additionally redeployed units of the border service.

“According to preliminary data, the reason for the unauthorized abandonment of the part was the result of non-statutory relations,” the press release says.

According to the press service, representatives of the command of the border service, officers of the Military Prosecutor's Office, regional departments of the National Security Committee and the Department of Internal Affairs work at the scene of the incident.

“At present, the military prosecutor’s office has initiated a criminal case under the article (inaction or excess, abuse of official powers by officials, the command of the military unit).

This is the second incident at the border posts of Kazakhstan, which occurred in the last month. At the end of May, the burned 14 bodies of border guards and the huntsman at the border station “Arkankergen” in the Almaty region were found. The murder is suspected only surviving border guard, who, according to law enforcement agencies, gave confessions. However, the mother of the detainee stated in the media that the son had told her during the meeting that he was not involved in the tragedy.

Comments

[Stealth]

Something strange is happening at their border. Are the Chinese special services intrigues or a check in battle? Our specialists need to look very carefully there.

[pribolt]

Yes indeed, this is already beginning to repeat itself, which means that the problems in the army are not only in Russia, and therefore it is necessary to solve them.

[pribolt]

It looks like border guards have already been found
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=824897

[Neighbor]

Quote: Tirpitz

This is a precedent! First, one state of emergency, now this, is it really so bad for the Kazakhs?

The heat is probably so melting the brains. Or grass - it’s already very picky this year !!!
A joke of course. And very strange. Highly. For in Kazakhstan - they pay $ not for dropping off from the army, but for going to the contrary !!! Do not want to - the military enlistment office will not remember about you at all. At the age of 16 he went, he received the attribution - and go for a walk.
Those. there are those who really want and can serve. Who needs the army for a future career, for himself in the end.
That's why all this is strange.

Quote: Stelth

Are the Chinese special services intrigues or a check in battle? Our specialists need to look very carefully there.

I agree. Some kind of psychotropic poison. Or irradiate with some waves - that people have a roof going. Now this is no longer a fantasy. You can kill a man - they called on the phone - picked up the phone - an ultra-sound - and a man kayuk. This is so - flowers.
They say that Amer conducted such experiments right over the whole town - OWN. The roof went off for all residents - they jumped out of the windows.

[marshes]

Quote: Neighbor

. Who needs the army for a future career, for himself in the end.
That's why all this is strange.

Parents brought many by the hand so that they wouldn’t get into an unpleasant situation on a citizen. I remember how part of the recruits were taken for early misconduct in a civilian.

[kuzmich]

here I have a similar feeling. The Chinese are climbing in all directions.

[Tirpitz]

This is a precedent! First, one state of emergency, now this, is it really so bad for the Kazakhs?

[Tersky]

Quote: Tirpitz

This is a precedent! First, one state of emergency, now this, is it really so bad for the Kazakhs?

The Kazakhs are doing fine, but the leadership of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan sees everything far from ideal ..

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: Tirpitz

This is a precedent! First, one state of emergency, now this, is it really so bad for the Kazakhs?

I can say one thing, there’s a tough and brutal struggle for power after the shooting of border guards on Arkan-Kergen like ordinary Chelakh. Some people who did this are trying to prove that lawlessness and hazing are happening in the National Security Committee of the Republic of Kazakhstan and therefore there is a show with an escape from the outpost of 11 fighters, note this on the Chinese border, and not on the border with Turkmenistan or Uzbekistan where the same border protection scheme as with China. All these events the shooting of innocent fighters, etc. made in order to remove the chairman of the National Security Committee of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

[Larus]

“According to preliminary data, the reason for the unauthorized abandonment of the part was the result of non-statutory relations,” the press release says.

Yeah .... how many people were left there, that 11 allegedly escaped, that means those who stayed and are their tormentors))) In general, everything depends on the commander, if everything doesn’t matter, then there will be unsteadyness, if normal, then no.

[Senzey]

The border is not locked, someone really wants to disorganize the protection of the borders of Kazakhstan. The KNB should seriously take up this matter.

[Trailer]

Will take care of it! This is their job! But the situation at the border is "put out the light"!

[StrateG]

Now they will insert a bayonet for the commander, and the soldiers will feel bad. And for sure, they didn’t run away due to mischief.

[thatupac]

Yes, everything is just like two and two. But against the background of an emergency with the killer Chelakh, they decided to scramble from the outpost without taking a weapon, because this is already 100% bunk for everyone, and then arrive where necessary, write an application for the collective officer-jackal. And once again, because of the emergency with Chelakh, then get out of the water dry, without falling for the article "desertion", and send the officer to the bunk. Everything is pure and primitive. Just like ours. Only our border guards are contract soldiers. So we have clearly less of such an outrage.

[aksakal]

Damn, nonsense!
She was in the USSR, and left a legacy.
Something needs to be done with this.
In corporations, teambuildings have been held for a long time, I was at such ones, they are not in vain held. The team rallies such events, there the tasks in a game form are selected so that without a sense of elbow and mutual assistance you won’t win. But this is only one facet.
In the case of Chelakh, along with non-regulation, there were also problems of a personal nature, which the psychologist did not discern, this is his major puncture. Chelakh, as I understood it, grew up in an incomplete family, without a father. Mom, according to the video, is a flint woman who completely crushed her son. In short, he had failures in his behavioral model, he simply did not know how to place himself in society and build relationships in such a way as to get the status he needed in this society (worthy of him). Status, in whatever society he appears, has always boiled down to the fact that how to distribute something in short supply, he is remembered last, and how "to whom to run for a beer" - first. Girls usually do not give, but instead try to climb on the neck (use), and the most aggressive of them even start rank conflicts. Of course, all this, as a chela of a rather strong character and ambitious, did not suit him, he probably tried to solve this problem more than once It is still difficult to understand that it is not about people, but about himself, at such a young age. But without an appropriate effective behavioral model, this issue cannot be resolved. Usually, in this case, they decide in the most understandable way - by a sharp escalation of the conflict with subsequent violence. Absolutely dead-end path, as you understand. And as it turns out, very dangerous. For a good psychologist, these problems of adolescence are seeds. But for some reason, not for those psychologists who hold a major position on the border.
There is a whole range of interrelated activities based on the scientific approach of sociologists, psychologists and psychologists in the field of interpersonal relationships, military pedagogues and military experts and military leaders with great experience. Change the service so that it would be served without unnecessary and unnecessary conflicts, and the combat capability was at the highest level. Unfortunately, the Soviet approach to the army, to the personnel, left from the times when "equipment needs to be saved, and women will give birth to new soldiers!", Has completely exhausted itself. All these educators are collectively responsible, when, because of one calf who has thrown away, the entire platoon is thrown into a march to the burial place of the bull - all this is stupidity, it does not work in the current generation. First, the so-called. "Baba" has not given birth for a long time, already thirty years ago. Secondly, I personally tore the jaws of that school teacher, who drove my son with a ruler in my hearts. Yes, he is not sugar, but you are a teacher, make sure you don't behave like that. Although, as a child, I received from the teacher not only with a ruler, but at home my parents still told me that they didn’t hit a lot. Imagine what my son will be like in the army compared to me! So, let the army change, and you can't change the new generation - the whole world has changed a little towards humanization in relation to children. And the sooner it changes, the better for this army.

[Trailer]

Aksakal - If Chelakh killed all 14 border guards, then I am bastard of the effectiveness of our army! So Makar - on Chelakh you can throw all the hangs over the years of his youth! And what, young, and even the psychologist confirms! They say they will confirm that Chelakh is a girl. So - give evidence for now! But they are not!

[Galina]

Respected you so far. And after your words "I personally tore the jaws of that school teacher who drove my son with a ruler in my hearts. Yes, he is not sugar, but you are a teacher, make sure that you do not need to behave this way.", got sick. Were you a teacher? And what kind of "fighter" will your son be, that you "tear the mouth" to the teacher. Everywhere you will tear everyone's mouth for him. It would be better to convince your son yourself, who brings the teacher.

[Trailer]

Aksakal - If Chelakh killed all 14 border guards, then I am bastard of the effectiveness of our army! So Makar - on Chelakh you can throw all the hangs over the years of his youth! And what, young, and even the psychologist confirms! They say they will confirm that Chelakh is a girl. So - give evidence for now! But they are not!

[Cadet787]

Something amiss is going on in your "kingdom". And that, you decide for yourself.

Poloho, this is happening in the CSTO member country.

[Trailer]

Is it the case with Tiraspol and the Crimea! Everyone has internal problems, but the issue is not the problem, but the effectiveness of its elimination and prevention! And here, yes, there are too many problems for now!

[maestro123]

To wash off the border is like a sentry who left the post ... The hole is being formed now. The Chinese will definitely study this area.

[bamboo]

and not only 100k whale run all the trees and roots back and sniff)))
then prove it)

[Mostovik]

One emergency is an accident, two are a coincidence. Three- pattern.

[aksakal]

Quote: Karavan

Aksakal - If Chelakh killed all 14 border guards, then I am a bastard on the effectiveness of our army!

- here I agree. You had to watch the CPC with Platonov, there the chief military prosecutor gave an extensive interview, such an interview had to be carried out from the very beginning so that there were no misunderstandings of the sources one tank said. Platonov voiced all embarrassing questions and alternative versions. This journalist can not be loved, but you can’t refuse courage to him. And comprehensive answers were given with the provision of the video. I myself am a bastard from the effectiveness of the army - the first he slammed from a sentry gun. Then from the machine gun in the barracks of the already awakened chef Ray. Then, not allowing the commander to jump out of the room, right through the door. Then he went into the back room, where everyone from the shots woke up ... and hid under the beds !!! It never occurred to anyone to jump out the window, hiding behind the door, rushing at the shooter. But it’s not so easy to free oneself from rushing into the machine gun and squeezing the machine gun from such a death grip — I don’t talk about such actions at all! Everyone lay humbly under the bed and humbly awaited their fate. Silence of the lambs! By the way, at that moment, not even knowing who shot. Probably thought the attack on the post. Here are the border guards! Although he looked at YouTube such executions - yes, people at that moment look like sheep, alas. So here I agree - the combat effectiveness of the army and the psychological hardening of the fighters - the level is completely zero.

Quote: Karavan

So - give evidence for now! But they are not!

- I do not agree here. And stop using the services of one grandmother. Everything is clear here. And by the way, there is no national background. She would have been if Chelah got home. There, his mother would definitely try to hide and transport him abroad, where the French legion would be waiting for him to be sent to Syria -))). But since neither he nor his mother graduated from spy schools, they would have been burned for anyone. Then the lawyer would be pulled up, he would certainly play this card as extenuating circumstances. And so during interrogations to Chelakh himself, this does not occur to him. He specifically quarreled with a particular sentry because of a specific conflict - he did not want to get in. The usual situation on guard. It just shocked me, because of which Chelakh went wild. I was also a chest of drawers and every guard woke up like that. And I was glad if, after the next service, I sewed in place only two buttons, which means that today the service was calm and smooth. And it happened that all the buttons, it happened that the nachkar had to wave a gun to separate us. There are people (not all) - people from sleep are wicked and undetectable, after the third wake up on the fourth you will wake him with a kick, and he will clutch his breasts. The subtle spiritual organization of representatives of non-present youth is incomprehensible.

[Trailer]

So I do not use the services of a grandmother, but I get information from the media that are native to me and you:

Could the “recognition” of Vlad Chelakh appear in order not to frighten the high-ranking customers of the bloody massacre at the border?

http://www.guljan.org/ru/news/informblok/2012/June/2083

As we learned from sources in law enforcement agencies, in parallel with the official version of the tragedy at the Arkankergen outpost, according to which co-workers were shot by 19-year-old Vladislav Chelakh, another version, more believable, was being developed in secret mode. And it was this investigation that led to the fact that the other day a warrant was issued for the arrest of one of the relatives of President Nazarbayev, who holds a high position in one of the special services of Kazakhstan.



Recall that on May 30, burnt bodies of 14 border guards were found on a mountain outpost on the border with China, and not far from this place, a local huntsman (reserve major) was killed in his house. The head of state at a meeting with security officials called the incident a terrorist attack and for the first time in the history of independent Kazakhstan declared national mourning.



Various versions of this difficult state tragedy began to appear, among which hazing, domestic quarrel, attack of smugglers or religious extremists. After the discovery of the only surviving border guard Vladislav Chelakh, the main and only version of the investigation was that the 19-year-old soldier shot his colleagues because he was “boiling”. However, a lot of direct and indirect evidence made the public doubt the "confessions" of Chelakh, who, by the way, when meeting with his family, said that he "did not do this."



From the moment (June 4), when V. Chelakh himself came to the burned outpost, the authorities together with their media several times changed the details of what happened, including the fact that the surviving border guard was found in a cave where he was allegedly hiding after the murder of fellow soldiers . Other "evidence" began to be given that one kid could destroy an entire outpost, and even deal with the local 48-year-old ranger.



By the way, it was with this huntsman that embarrassment came out. First, information appeared that on one of the dead women’s panties were discovered. It is clear that this was true of the huntsman (according to the investigation, his body was found either in his own house, then near the outpost, then again at his home) - they simply could not stay on the bodies of the border guards that were burned beyond recognition. Then this information, as they say, was disavowed. Last week, in a once-respected newspaper, its lead correspondent again relished this topic with a relish, directly hinting that the huntsman Ruslan Kim had seduced Vlad, which was the reason for the humiliated guy picking up a machine gun. However, according to our information, lingerie was already worn on the dead Kim ... For what? Probably in order to somehow confirm the official version, which almost no one believes in.



At the same time, as it became known to us from informed sources, since the discovery of the dead outpost in full secrecy, an operational group was created, operating in parallel with the official one. Perhaps the official investigators did not know anything about the work of their colleagues and promoted a version that was advantageous to certain individuals in the country's leadership and some of its special services - all too much was “sewn with white thread”. However, according to some assumptions, the version with the "Terminator" could be untwisted for ... averting eyes.



According to the information that came to us this morning, the investigation (unofficial) came out on the trail of a certain group operating under the guise of an influential general in law enforcement agencies who has family ties with the head of state and, moreover, was accused by some independent media of loyalty to radical religious groups. The other day, this person, according to our information, apparently having learned that a hunt had been declared for him, was about to leave Kazakhstan, but “red flags” had already been put up and an arrest warrant had been issued for him.



Revision "j" will continue to verify this information. So stay tuned ...



Addendum: Elimination Details


After the publication of the new version of the tragedy at the Arkankergen outpost, the editorial office received information directly refuting the official version of the investigation. Note that V. Chelakh “admitted that” that he shot all his colleagues from the Kalashnikov assault rifle, taking advantage of their helpless position. However, as the source told us, only on two bodies were found traces of bullet wounds (the head of the outpost and the huntsman). Most of the other border guards, apparently, were simply stabbed to death.



Recall that in some media it was already said that the relatives of the victims found stab wounds on the bodies of servicemen. By the way, the relatives of the dead border guards themselves also do not believe in the official version of the tragedy at the outpost.



As for the information about the involvement of a high-ranking intelligence officer in the attack on Arkankergen, whose name is associated with the creation of radical religious groups in the country (in particular, in its western regions), no one has denied it yet. Why this action was taken - to destroy unnecessary witnesses, “substitute” the top KNB leadership or destabilize the situation in the country - is still unclear, but the only thing that sounds plausible in the official version is that the outpost was destroyed early in the morning, when most of the fighters were sleeping. By the way, experts say that the fire that destroyed the traces of the crime could have been triggered not by spilled gasoline, but by something else - for example, an army flamethrower.



Meanwhile, today, Russian psychologists questioned his truthfulness gave their review of the testimony of Vladislav Chelakh. In particular, psychiatrist Andrei Babin noted that “a soldier who at the time of the crime was in a state of mental disorder could not so clearly remember the whole picture of what happened”, adding: “I do not claim that the innocent guy was forced to give a confession, but they clearly "corrected."



Doctors also analyzed the suspect's facial expressions and gestures and drew attention to a number of inconsistencies in the testimony, which allowed them to conclude that the evidence was written under dictation.



In short, there is much more doubt about the official version than its evidence. Suspicious is the fact of finding a wedding ring that belonged to one of the contractors. Firstly, different versions were put forward, with whose finger Chelakh removed the ring, and secondly, it was not taken directly from the surviving border guard, but from the Lexus car, and not on the day Vlad was discovered, but almost a week after of this. Let us explain that this discrepancy is explained by the fact that Chelakh allegedly "threw off" the evidence in the car in which he was taken to Usharal, but this version of the events also needs to be double-checked ...

And in pursuit, http://mir24.tv/news/incidentes/5115359

Astana, 18 June. Psychologists analyzed the video of the interrogation of the border guard and came to the conclusion that Chelakh self-incriminated, because he could not remember the details in an affect state, LifeNews informs.

[aksakal]

Do you want me to believe your informed sources? I will look and check about the arrest of Satybaldy - after all, these informed sources hint at him, right? Yes, he is a general of the KNB, yes, he is a believing person, but what is his motive for cutting 14 people? There is impenetrable mountain jungle, you can’t smuggle smuggling. In general, I won’t find Elsie - and it’s impossible to leave an arrest of an official of such magnitude a secret, then I'm sorry, again one grandmother said. And your psychologists - we know such psychologists. One Moscow bureaucrat is still sitting because of such a psychologist; according to her conclusion, this bureaucrat was put in jail, accusing him of harassment of his own daughter .. Phallic symbols appeared in the drawings of that daughter, which made it possible to accuse his father of this serious crime . Then this psychologist was burnt in the sabbath of the BDSM with the subsequent gangbang on camera, it became clear why her phallic characters appear in every children's drawing Along the way, she herself would not hurt to heal, not like working as a psychiatrist with a detox. So, the psychologists you mentioned are not better at all, the interpreters are still the same. I’m silent about the knife wounds - I would have shown such wounds on a charred body without any embarrassment and would have put it on YouTube - you’ll erase horseradish!
Of course, we keep our finger on the pulse, and beware. But so far I have not found anything confirming all your versions. But watch that program of Platonov. And you will find explanations about the huntsman and about the horses. And Chelakh did not come out anything. I couldn't handle the horses, I had to stomp on foot. There was very little left to the main road, spent the night during the winter, and the TV set (there was a TV set with a satellite dish) turned on and burned out. He took off himself while he was hiding in the cave - by the way, the face was very pleased, it did not look like the one being substituted. Look, do not read any crap. Why not assume that since he was a child he dreamed of serving, but at the same time wanted to get into the famous French legion? Laudatory articles about this stupid unit above the roof, so I wanted to get there. And what would be immediately with a track record of 15 people. Why not? In any case, this version is not at all worse than the conjectures cited by you. And on a date, my mother screamed loudly to her son, "Tell the truth, son, relatives in Bulgaria, Germany, Greece listen to you, if they don’t give you any offense!"

[bamboo]

I agree 100%, plus a huge +
he went through all this himself, the current soldiers were not like that, we can educate them like that)))
BUT ON THE BORDER, TO ONE BUTTON FLY OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE BULL OF SUCH Fighter ................... AND DO NOT DIGGER WHICH WAKE UP ...........

[nnnnnnnnn]

aksakal,
Do you believe Platonov? stupid talking head that does not have its own opinion, with a voice beyond the grave and with horror tells the realities that everyone knows about. The military prosecutor !!! ??? I know exactly for how much he bought his rank, it was his subordinates who brought the army to its knees with extortions and do you believe him? look back we were turned into a herd of sheep, 2011 is a year of terror and what are the conclusions, events on the border are a distraction from the events of Zhanaozen where people are stupidly on strike again, a bunch of ub ... s who consider themselves elite are selling your wealth, Ashkenazi created an exchange in London to sell our you wealth, believe me, I saw it myself. And you believe all the official versions, Chelakh "Rambo" Take off your blinders; look around.

[uizik]

The border of the Eurasian Union should be guarded by the joint forces of this interstate entity. In short, create a common Armed Forces on the model of the Soviet, otherwise Khan!

[wolk71]

Better than the Russian border guards no one !!!

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: wolk71

Better than the Russian border guards no one !!!

No slogans Colleague in the family is not without a freak July 30, 1995, Pacific border district
At four in the morning, Private Bugakov, who was on duty at the outpost, shot dead Sergeant Kolyadny, who had come to change him, and Sergeant Reshetnikov,
who was present at the change of duty. After that, Bugakov set off
to the dormitory, having shot the chief of the outpost along the road, and then,
already in the barracks, Private Prokhorov and Sergeant Popov. Also he
wounded three more sergeants and one private.
Ammunition ran out, Bugakov dropped his weapon, returned to the corpse
Kolyadnoy, picked up his machine with two equipped stores and
went to the house of the officers of the outpost. Burst into the apartment already
the boss killed by him and opened indiscriminate firing on all
rooms. He wounded the wife of the deceased and his twelve-year-old son, who
died in two days.
After the crime, Bugakov left the territory
outposts, but in the evening was already detained.
The investigation established that Private Bugakov actually had
some weird behavior. Then he cut veins, then swallowed needles, then
cooked poppy straws, then sat on guardhouse. He was put on twice
examination in the neuropsychiatric department of the district hospital with
diagnosed with a short-term situational-caused neurotic
reaction_, but discharged as _healthy_.
That's because of this, in fact, six people died

[wolk71]

I’m talking about the quality of service, and not about hazing (who shot more than each other). Under the Russian border guards, any border on the castle and the entire outpost do not desert.

[htpm100]

All eleven conscript soldiers who arbitrarily left the border post in Kazakhstan were discovered by a search team. The servicemen of the November draft secretly left the location of the unit in the East Kazakhstan region the day before early in the morning. We didn’t take weapons with us.
On Tuesday afternoon, they were found 18 kilometers from the duty station. Currently, soldiers in a car are heading to the border outpost, the press service of the border service of the national security committee of the republic reports.
According to preliminary data, the reason for the unauthorized abandonment of the unit was the result of hazing. On this fact, the military prosecutor's office opened a criminal case under the article "Inaction or excess, abuse of official powers by officials, the command of a military unit.
According to information, the head of the outpost tried to independently organize a search, informing the command of this emergency only in the evening. The search was conducted by the border service, departments of the interior (DVD) and national security, ITAR-TASS.

[thatupac]

Well, who is Godzilla and Dzhigurda-Chubak there, that all 11 conscripts are annoyed? Right now everyone in the disbat. And they won’t go to the bunks, because they did not prudently take weapons.

[marshes]

Quote: thatupac

Well, who is Godzilla and Dzhigurda-Chubak there, that all 11 conscripts are annoyed? Right now everyone in the disbat. And they won’t go to the bunks, because they did not prudently take weapons.

You answered the top comments what will happen.

Quote: thatupac

Yes, everything is just like two and two. But against the background of an emergency with the killer Chelakh, they decided to scramble from the outpost without taking a weapon, because this is already 100% bunk for everyone, and then arrive where necessary, write an application for the collective officer-jackal. And once again, because of the emergency with Chelakh, then get out of the water dry, without falling for the article "desertion", and send the officer to the bunk. Everything is pure and primitive. Just like ours. Only our border guards are contract soldiers. So we have clearly less of such an outrage.

I spent a decent time in school, worked with new arrivals, and I know all the tricks.

[makuho]

Maybe in Kazakhstan, too, to cancel the conscripts call from the Southern Federal District? Do not call immigrants from the Caucasus and everything will be fine? :) Here you have, please, there are no Dago-Czechs in Kazakhstan, but the problems are the same as in Russia. The point here is education and culture (more precisely due to the lack of this) - hence the hazing woman, shoots and shootings.

[marshes]

Quote: makuho

Maybe in Kazakhstan, too, to cancel the conscripts call from the Southern Federal District?

I don’t understand something? Kazakhstan is a unitary state, not a federal one.
Oddly enough, there are few immigrants from the southern regions of Kazakhstan on the border with China. They mainly serve in the South. They serve hard and violators shoot both their own and others.

[TekhnarMAF]

I am always touched by conversations about hazing in units! Who was a regular, try to refute me, it all depends on the command of the subdivision. If the commander does not care, the officers (and are there real OFFICERS, with a capital letter) also don’t care, the papors and the warrant officer are recruited as in a cop (I immediately apologize to the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, hereby " cops "), if only the states were filled. What they did and got, not the army, but the zone!

[Odinplys]

TekhnarMAF,
There is nothing to refute here ... precisely because of the connivance of the command ...

[thatupac]

Lies. Not because of the connivance of the authorities, but because of the womanish behavior of the military, which allows anyone to push around. The conscripts themselves are to blame, not the bosses. This otmaza is only for the poor. They themselves are to blame.

[kotdavin4i]

Miraculous things are happening in Kazakhstan ... you really can’t figure it out without a half-liter. With Chelakh, everything is clear - 100% setup, but who? and how much a person is afraid for himself and for his family that he will not tell anyone about what happened - all the more so since almost the whole world knows about this business .. Now there’s also a second case ..

[APASUS]

Something is happening in the border troops of Kazakhstan ??? They either run or shoot .............

[wolverine7778]

Some kind of slobber went, only from school came and immediately blown away. Psychologically, they were weak. The protection of the state border is always double hardships and deprivations of military service, sleepless nights, undermining the entire outpost by signaling from an animal that accidentally hooked, some herbalist or something else. Service at any time of the day, redeployment from one distant place to another, a small number of personnel, like in a submarine, all this depressing affects the psyche. Well and of course hazing, how can the old-timers be busy with idleness and longing without it It’s bad, of course, it’s time for contract soldiers to get all the outposts, this should be a job with a good salary, and not a time-consuming service for those young people who think that it’s a fairy tale to guard the border.

[APASUS]

Quote: wolverine7778

Some kind of slobber went, only from school came and immediately blown away. Psychologically, they were weak. The protection of the state border is always double hardships and deprivations of military service, sleepless nights, undermining the entire outpost by signaling from an animal that accidentally hooked, some herbalist or something else. Service at any time of the day, relocation from one distant place to another, a small number of personnel, like in a submarine, all this depressing affects the psyche. Well, and of course hazing, how could one do without it

What the hell is this for!
State rules are not a decree for you to independent states !!! You build all independent law production for yourself and water and get it.
And you get! breakdown of the verified system of recruiting fighters (Not draftees, but fighters, others are not suitable for border guards)
And according to your rules, they can serve, even goblins !!
In the USSR, it was the KGB troops and fell there as favorites !!!

[Deniska999]

It’s not just how it all happens, that they’ll shoot, or they will run. Such mysterious things are the harbingers of some event, very negative.

[maksim]

for vodka in the village 1 or 2 but not eleven

[mars6791]

Yes, there are a lot of questions. And Aksakal contradicts himself. That this YouTube is frightening to whom to spread on YouTube, trackers or something, film producers. That change of vacationers with his fierce buttons fly, and when the sheep are shot. He quarreled with the sentry, and then he came and slammed him with a pistol. Where did the gun come from, where is the awake shift, where is the distributor, beg. car or his deputy. Why did the cook wake up for so long before he got the bullet. My stepfather served at the border post in the late 60s, on the Chinese border. Yes, it used to say that the Chinese cut outposts, but these are professionals. And here all the border guards, like lambs lying and waiting for their bullet, this can not be. The psychomotor data in people are different and it cannot be that everyone was inhibited. In general, there is no organization of the guard service, and this is not a straightforward matter as some people want to blow us.

[Messerschmitt]

This is not our business, firstly (a foreign country). Secondly, it was always 30 and 40 years ago in our army. And with no less victims. Examples: a ghostly spirit escaped from the guard at night, went into the barracks and shot dead people in bursts from a machine gun. In my hometown, the sergeant, in the morning he waited for the foreman with a carbine, he wanted to reckon, but the division commander was the first to go down the path - they kept him and killed him. etc. etc.