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Russian Defense Ministry launches Mi-35M helicopter modernization program

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The Russian Ministry of Defense decided to launch a large-scale modernization program for the Mi-35M helicopters. The upgraded helicopter will receive a Mi-35MV index, according to Izvestia, with reference to the military department.


Russian Defense Ministry launches Mi-35M helicopter modernization program


As the newspaper writes, the principal decision on launching the helicopter modernization program has already been made. At the moment, the preparation of technical specifications for developers and designers. However, it is already known that the upgraded helicopter, which received the Mi-35МВ index and the name "Supercodile", will be equipped with new armor, new engines, and the OPS-24НХNUMX observation and aiming system, the onboard defense system against the attacks of President-S air defense systems and a new radar. In respect of weapons data yet.

The decision to modernize the Mi-35 was made after studying the experience of using these rotary-wing machines in the fighting in Syria, although prior to the start of the Syrian operation it was reported that the Mi-35М was gradually withdrawn from the Russian armed forces. However, the Syrian experience has shown that this machine is still one of the best Russian helicopters and it is inexpedient to abandon it.

The Defense Ministry states that after upgrading equipment, the upgraded Mi-35МВ will turn into a modern flying airborne combat vehicle.


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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 7 March 2019 09: 26
    +8
    ... and a new radar.

    Was there an old radar on the Mi35?
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 7 March 2019 09: 28
      0
      Yes, some kind of misunderstanding. Also drew attention.
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 7 March 2019 10: 20
        +2
        As I understand it, there will be an over-sleeve antenna.
    2. mark1
      mark1 7 March 2019 09: 30
      +4
      There is no limit to perfection
    3. venik
      venik 7 March 2019 09: 55
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      ... and a new radar. Was there an old radar on the Mi35?

      ===
      Zaur! Straight, "removed from the tongue" !!! good
      Really "nadvulochny" are going to "vmantulyat" ??? More of him there (on the "Crocodile") and like there is nowhere to stick it !!! request
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 7 March 2019 14: 00
        +1
        Why nowhere. There is a screw, there is a sleeve, and they will be placed above the sleeve.
  2. AAK
    AAK 7 March 2019 09: 27
    +8
    For 40 years from Afgan to Syria we have been fighting mainly on "crocodiles"
    1. Lieutenant Senior
      Lieutenant Senior 7 March 2019 09: 29
      +25
      Because the helicopter is effective))
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 7 March 2019 09: 35
        +13
        Quote: Lieutenant Senior
        Because the helicopter is effective))

        And also:
        The decision to upgrade the Mi-35 was made after studying the experience of using these rotary-wing aircraft in military operations in Syria, although before the start of the Syrian operation, the Mi-35M was gradually withdrawn from the Russian armed forces. However, Syrian experience has shown that this machine is still one of the best Russian helicopters and it is not practical to abandon it.

        And yet time has shown that surpassing Soviet designers with the formation of the HSE is not so simple. But this is not the main thing. It is important that for different inventions that were supposed to die at the manufacturing stage, the wise mind preferred the modernization of battle-tested technology. This means that it will be easier for our military pilots to carry out combat missions. And this is the main thing. yes
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 March 2019 09: 48
          +11
          Quote: ROSS 42
          This means that it will be easier for our military pilots to carry out combat missions.

          Not at all a fact.
          Soviet "crocodiles" are outstanding representatives of the "assault" school. Later helicopters were sharpened for the "American ambush" tactics. That is, blows from the hover position

          To argue that it is more effective for a long time. But the second option is definitely safer for pilots.
          1. 5 – 9
            5 – 9 7 March 2019 13: 54
            +6
            "American ambush" tactics.

            It showed itself in all its glory near Karbala ... 33 out of 34 turntables were damaged (fortunately, the enemy did not even have 12,7, out of 7,62 they decided) .... since then in Iraq the Americans have abandoned it. True, it is difficult to use the "Soviet" one with the shameful flight characteristics of the Apache .. that's why they just started flying high.
            But Marines Super Cobras with "Soviet" tactics had much less damage than Apaches.

            With a blurred front line, the helicopter "hiding in ambush" (obedient from kilometers away, and visible) will be driven by an armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle and will be shot ... if the Iraqi slippers on foot and in jeep jumped.
          2. cast iron
            cast iron 8 March 2019 01: 00
            0
            Mi-24 is perfectly able to hang.
          3. helmi8
            helmi8 8 March 2019 18: 42
            0
            Quote: Spade
            But the second option is definitely safer for pilots.

            Quite the contrary. A hovering helicopter is much easier to shoot down than a flying one. Moreover, it is very difficult to hit with a variable glide from a rifle.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 March 2019 18: 45
              +1
              Quote: helmi8
              Quite the contrary. A hovering helicopter is much easier to shoot down than a flying one.

              I agree. But for this it must be discovered. Modern "hanging" ones are capable of operating without entering the effective fire zone of air defense systems. There is a UAV for this.
              1. helmi8
                helmi8 8 March 2019 18: 55
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Modern "hanging" are able to operate without entering the effective fire zone of air defense systems

                Of course they can. Only the efficiency of use will be small - only SD. And the rest of the weapons? NAR and small-cannon from a long distance is not effective. Yes, in fact, the helicopter is designed to launch assault attacks and support ground forces directly in the combat zone. Well, the use of the Mi-35 for landing somehow does not impress me. Experience has shown that the Mi-8 is more effective in this regard.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 8 March 2019 19: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: helmi8
                  NAR and small-cannon from a long distance is not effective.

                  With modern weapons, the likelihood of their use is too small.

                  According to NAR, as far as I know, the Americans sawed them into a manageable version with semi-active LGSN. That is, they can work with UAVs.

                  Quote: helmi8
                  Well, the use of the Mi-35 for landing somehow does not impress me.

                  Too few for such use.
                  1. helmi8
                    helmi8 8 March 2019 19: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    Too few for such use.

                    Why so few? They all, starting with the Mi-24A, have a cargo compartment with a capacity of 8 paratroopers ...
                    Quote: Spade
                    According to NAR, as far as I know, the Americans sawed them into a manageable version with semi-active LGSN

                    And what about the quantity and again the notorious efficiency? And why is the NAR aiming head if you need to "cover the area"?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 8 March 2019 19: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: helmi8

                      Why so few? They all, starting with the Mi-24A, have a cargo compartment with a capacity of 8 paratroopers.

                      There are few helicopters.
                      Quote: helmi8
                      And the quantity and again the notorious efficiency? And why does the NAR aiming head

                      In order not to spend expensive "Helfaers" on cheap purposes. And they are not going to work in areas, the concept is as follows ... 8))) They even refused MLRS. Master-master ...
      2. AAK
        AAK 7 March 2019 09: 48
        -1
        As always with us ... with a hammer, chisel and some kind of mother ...
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 7 March 2019 11: 46
        -7
        Quote: Lieutenant Senior
        Because the helicopter is effective))

        It would be effective, modernization would not be conceived.
        Effective compared to what? With "Apache"?
        1. Lieutenant Senior
          Lieutenant Senior 7 March 2019 13: 17
          +3
          As for the cost, yes, one Apache costs money like four of our helicopters))

          In general, I meant effectiveness as efficiency, not comparing with others)
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 7 March 2019 20: 59
            -2
            Quote: Lieutenant Senior
            As for the cost, yes, one Apache costs money like four of our helicopters))

            Why are you so worried about the high cost of "Apache"?
            I, and our helicopter pilots, do not think about this at all. We are on the drum how much it costs.
            Quote: Lieutenant Senior
            In general, I meant effectiveness as efficiency, not comparing with others)

            Efficiency cannot be determined without comparison with analogues.
            If "Apache" is me, for example, for example, in 30 seconds, from a distance of 10 km. destroys 3 tanks, and our MI-28 only 1, then what kind of MI-28 efficiency can we talk about? Despite the fact that MI-28 is taking a platoon of paratroopers, but Apache is not.
            1. Lieutenant Senior
              Lieutenant Senior 7 March 2019 21: 15
              +2
              I, and our helicopter pilots, do not think about this at all. We are on the drum how much it costs.


              Further it was possible not to continue, the picture is clear.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 7 March 2019 21: 22
                0
                Quote: Lieutenant Senior

                Further it was possible not to continue, the picture is clear.

                And me.
                Lieutenant Senior - "How much does the Apache cost?" - 1000 bucks. Lieutenant Senior - "How much does MI-28 cost?" - 100 bucks. Lieutenant Senior - "How much does MI-2 cost?" - 20 bucks.
                Lieutenant Senior - "Here! Here it is the best and most efficient helicopter in the world !!!"
            2. not main
              not main 8 March 2019 00: 44
              0
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Quote: Lieutenant Senior
              As for the cost, yes, one Apache costs money like four of our helicopters))

              Why are you so worried about the high cost of "Apache"?
              I, and our helicopter pilots, do not think about this at all. We are on the drum how much it costs.
              Quote: Lieutenant Senior
              In general, I meant effectiveness as efficiency, not comparing with others)

              Efficiency cannot be determined without comparison with analogues.
              If "Apache" is me, for example, for example, in 30 seconds, from a distance of 10 km. destroys 3 tanks, and our MI-28 only 1, then what kind of MI-28 efficiency can we talk about? Despite the fact that MI-28 is taking a platoon of paratroopers, but Apache is not.

              Comparison of ATGM is not correct! For ATGMs, we did not go far from each other. Well, then, instead of the paratroopers, the Mi-24 (35,28) can take additional weapons and is quite heavy! What about Apache?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 8 March 2019 11: 47
                0
                Quote: non-primary
                Comparison of ATGM is not correct!

                We talked about efficiency. And, if you are attentive, you should have paid attention to mine - "this is me, for example, for example,"
                Does "additional weaponry" improve efficiency? Yes, but on one condition - hitting the target! And as far as I know, we have problems with this, in comparison with Apache.
            3. cast iron
              cast iron 8 March 2019 01: 03
              +1
              The Mi-28 does not take a paratrooper platoon. It has no landing compartment at all. The Mi-24 can take, as far as I remember, 7 paratroopers. The Apache has no mission to deliver the troops. He's a pure attack helicopter. It is not correct to compare it with the Mi-24/35.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 7 March 2019 15: 56
          +1
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Effective compared to what? With "Apache"?

          And the fact that these are slightly different types you do not take into account when comparing.
          After the equipment upgrade, the upgraded Mi-35MV will turn into a modern flying landing assault vehicle.

          How many troops does the Apache take?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 7 March 2019 20: 53
            -1
            Quote: Piramidon

            How many troops does the Apache take?

            Read my answer "Lieutenant Senior"
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 8 March 2019 00: 26
            0
            How many troops does the Apache take?

            And why is there a landing assault helicopter? Also in an unarmored cabin?
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 8 March 2019 09: 25
              0
              Quote: alexmach
              And why is there a landing assault helicopter?

              For the same, why and BMP. Drop off and support. The man began to compare the Apache and the Mi-24/35, somewhat different in purpose.
              The Soviet concept was different from the American one. The designers had to create not just an attack helicopter, but a flying infantry fighting vehicle, which could not only land an assault force, but also cover it with fire if necessary.
              https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/mi-24/
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 8 March 2019 12: 06
                0
                Quote: Piramidon

                For the same, why and BMP. Drop off and support. The man began to compare the Apache and the Mi-24/35, somewhat different in purpose.

                I do not compare helicopters, but their effectiveness in performing the task.
                Which of the helicopters will be more effective with fire support of the landing? Apache or MI?
                It seems to me that Apache. And only because its sighting equipment is better than that of Mi and KA.
                This is not my speculation.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 8 March 2019 12: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  I do not compare helicopters, but their effectiveness in performing the task.

                  Well, then I propose to compare the tank and BMP.
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 8 March 2019 13: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    I do not compare helicopters, but their effectiveness in performing the task.

                    Well, then I propose to compare the tank and BMP.

                    Here. Everything is correct. We do not have a "tank" in the air, there are only "BMP". And the mattress makers have a "tank" - the Apache.
                    And I would like him to be.
                    1. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 8 March 2019 13: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      We do not have a "tank" in the air, there are only "BMP". And the mattress makers have a "tank" - Apache.

                      Have you written off the Mi-28N / NM?
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 8 March 2019 13: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        Have you written off the Mi-28N / NM?

                        We do not know anything about its capabilities. But mass and dimensional indicators are not in favor of MI. But this is half the trouble, the main thing is the search for the target, the accuracy of aiming in any climatic conditions and possibly large distances than that of the adversary.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 7 March 2019 11: 41
      0
      Quote: AAK
      For 40 years from Afgan to Syria we have been fighting mainly on "crocodiles"

      MI-35 is available since 2005. Has technology really gone so far and a lot of things have appeared that in 2005 were not even foreseen? They will put a new engine - which one? Do we have a better engine than VK-2500?
      Did not hear.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 7 March 2019 14: 02
        +1
        In theory. .. at the exit of the theater of operations from Mi38. There is a power of 3500ls. I don’t know if they differ in size or not. And the gearbox from him.
  3. mag nit
    mag nit 7 March 2019 09: 35
    -15
    The Russian Defense Ministry launches the Sawmill program.
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 7 March 2019 10: 12
      +5
      The Ministry of Defense launches the program "protection of Russian sovereignty" soldier
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 7 March 2019 11: 08
        +3
        Overall +/- see:
        3 - different types of attack helicopters, with minimal unification. This is the same amount as in the EU (Tiger and Augusta + Apaches) and the USA with Apache (if you do not take the sailors - who have their own atmosphere).

        not the fact that it won’t work out as with NM - they invested a lot of money and 8 years of work = too expensive.

        besides spraying of forces and means on 3 modernization programs on 3 to different machines at the same time.

        training program for pilots and technical personnel on 3 different machines.

        Plus, only one - if one machine fails on technical solutions or something else, then the others do not.
        1. EnGenius
          EnGenius 7 March 2019 12: 24
          0
          The decision was made to modify the Mi-28N in the Mi-28NM, there will simply be no new purchases of the Mi-28NM yet.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 7 March 2019 14: 04
            0
            The Mi35 is upgrading the Mi24 / 25. So what do they go plus for the manufactured Rostov Mi28.
        2. cast iron
          cast iron 8 March 2019 01: 07
          0
          Look wider. In addition to Apache, the USA has 2 more drummers - Cobra and Small 2 local ant special forces. The Mi-35 is convenient in that pilots flying the Mi24 quickly retrain on it. Plus, the machine worked out to a screw, and its performance characteristics are not inferior to modern helicopters. And the main plus is the relative cheapness and well-established production.
  4. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 7 March 2019 09: 41
    +17
    We also use the usual Mi-24, but here they wanted to abandon the Mi-35M, strange ...
    1. Michman
      Michman 7 March 2019 10: 38
      +2
      I read it and thought about it right away ...
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 7 March 2019 10: 53
        +1
        They worked well in Syria. The frames look impressive. And with modernization, they will be enough for a long time both for military operations and for civilians.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 7 March 2019 14: 04
      0
      They are being modernized in the 35th
  5. BAI
    BAI 7 March 2019 09: 59
    +2
    Mi-28 - not mastered. For that, the Mi-35 appeared (modestly silent that it was a Mi-24).
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 7 March 2019 10: 11
      +1
      and who said they did not master? there are not a few of them in the troops, all the more constantly there are improvements based on the results of use in Syria soldier
    2. Chichikov
      Chichikov 7 March 2019 10: 23
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      Mi-28 - not mastered. For that, the Mi-35 appeared (modestly silent that it was a Mi-24)

      Need to pay attention to the lines
      will turn into a modern flying landing vehicle
      Mi-35M was considered, as a transitional model for flight crew, from Mi-24 to Mi-28NM, but for landing he is weak, only 2-3 people, instead of 8, 35.
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 7 March 2019 11: 51
        +1
        No 2-3 and 5-6, and with the new engine there will be more, and this is the necessary Airborne Forces.
    3. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 7 March 2019 10: 57
      0
      This is not a Mi-24, this is a new helicopter from the old one, it only has a body.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 March 2019 11: 29
      +6
      Quote: BAI
      Mi-28 - not mastered.

  6. Invoce
    Invoce 7 March 2019 10: 10
    0
    One name Super Crocodile! Already suggests that you need to be careful not to meddle where these cars live
    1. novel66
      novel66 7 March 2019 10: 20
      -2
      not everyone is afraid of crocodiles lol
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 7 March 2019 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: novel xnumx
        not everyone is afraid of crocodiles

        Does a crocodile fear crocodiles ... smile
        Moreover, he has a knife. No - KNIFE!
  7. mag nit
    mag nit 7 March 2019 10: 20
    +3
    "Armata" will be upgraded to "Superarmata".
  8. kolkulon
    kolkulon 7 March 2019 10: 39
    0
    Super crocodile ..for recourse
  9. Wolf
    Wolf 7 March 2019 10: 44
    +4
    So Mi24 (Hind) and then Mi35 (M and MV) The layout of the machine was and remains REVOLUTIONARY for the world helicopter building. One of the most successful weapons in the arsenal of the USSR. It was perfect for the KRILATE ARMY, airborne! He could carry and landing, except for shock force. Something like flying armored personnel carriers. In the modern concept of war, where quickly moving and suddenly quickly hitting the most important thing, there is no better place in the world. Only the stupid or the traitor could refuse this car. Why are the airborne armored personnel carriers light (which can transport air) if such a machine eats. In most cases, it is best suited for completing an airborne mission. There is still no car in the world for this concept. It is necessary to remove the cap in front of the designers
    MI 24. He set the world fashion trend of combat helicopters. Then the USA made Apache but did not get close to the universality of MI 24! Thank God they did not remove it from armament. For the Airborne, they need a lot of upgrades! What do you think why the Serbs ordered MI 35, and Mi17 but not MI 28? in place with MI 17?
    Live were!
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 7 March 2019 10: 49
      +3
      I hope that our order changes to MI 35MV!
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 7 March 2019 10: 51
        +3
        I don’t know how it is, if it should be part of the Airborne Forces!
      2. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 7 March 2019 10: 52
        +8
        A beautiful devil take "Crocodile" ... I and not only I, are alive largely thanks to him ...
  10. Lesorub
    Lesorub 7 March 2019 11: 29
    +1
    As for weapons, there is no data yet.

    Yes, this is the most interesting, which missiles are the range !!
  11. Berkut24
    Berkut24 7 March 2019 11: 41
    +1
    But as for the engines, this is correct. The current ones will be rather weak.
  12. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 7 March 2019 13: 36
    0
    And the old mi 24 are not going to upgrade?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 March 2019 14: 58
      -2
      They are only allowed for scrap.