Russian Defense Ministry launches Mi-35M helicopter modernization program

The Russian Ministry of Defense decided to launch a large-scale modernization program for the Mi-35M helicopters. The upgraded helicopter will receive a Mi-35MV index, according to Izvestia, with reference to the military department.

As the newspaper writes, the principal decision on launching the helicopter modernization program has already been made. At the moment, the preparation of technical specifications for developers and designers. However, it is already known that the upgraded helicopter, which received the Mi-35МВ index and the name "Supercodile", will be equipped with new armor, new engines, and the OPS-24НХNUMX observation and aiming system, the onboard defense system against the attacks of President-S air defense systems and a new radar. In respect of weapons data yet.

The decision to modernize the Mi-35 was made after studying the experience of using these rotary-wing machines in the fighting in Syria, although prior to the start of the Syrian operation it was reported that the Mi-35М was gradually withdrawn from the Russian armed forces. However, the Syrian experience has shown that this machine is still one of the best Russian helicopters and it is inexpedient to abandon it.

The Defense Ministry states that after upgrading equipment, the upgraded Mi-35МВ will turn into a modern flying airborne combat vehicle.

Comments

[Zaurbek]

... and a new radar.

Was there an old radar on the Mi35?

[Hagalaz]

Yes, some kind of misunderstanding. Also drew attention.

[Vlad.by]

As I understand it, there will be an over-sleeve antenna.

[mark1]

There is no limit to perfection

[venik]

Quote: Zaurbek

... and a new radar. Was there an old radar on the Mi35?

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Zaur! Straight, "removed from the tongue" !!!
Really "nadvulochny" are going to "vmantulyat" ??? More of him there (on the "Crocodile") and like there is nowhere to stick it !!!

[Zaurbek]

Why nowhere. There is a screw, there is a sleeve, and they will be placed above the sleeve.

[AAK]

For 40 years from Afgan to Syria we have been fighting mainly on "crocodiles"

[Lieutenant Senior]

Because the helicopter is effective))

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lieutenant Senior

Because the helicopter is effective))

And also:

The decision to upgrade the Mi-35 was made after studying the experience of using these rotary-wing aircraft in military operations in Syria, although before the start of the Syrian operation, the Mi-35M was gradually withdrawn from the Russian armed forces. However, Syrian experience has shown that this machine is still one of the best Russian helicopters and it is not practical to abandon it.

And yet time has shown that surpassing Soviet designers with the formation of the HSE is not so simple. But this is not the main thing. It is important that for different inventions that were supposed to die at the manufacturing stage, the wise mind preferred the modernization of battle-tested technology. This means that it will be easier for our military pilots to carry out combat missions. And this is the main thing.

[Lopatov]

Quote: ROSS 42

This means that it will be easier for our military pilots to carry out combat missions.

Not at all a fact.
Soviet "crocodiles" are outstanding representatives of the "assault" school. Later helicopters were sharpened for the "American ambush" tactics. That is, blows from the hover position

To argue that it is more effective for a long time. But the second option is definitely safer for pilots.

[5-9]

"American ambush" tactics.

It showed itself in all its glory near Karbala ... 33 out of 34 turntables were damaged (fortunately, the enemy did not even have 12,7, out of 7,62 they decided) .... since then in Iraq the Americans have abandoned it. True, it is difficult to use the "Soviet" one with the shameful flight characteristics of the Apache .. that's why they just started flying high.
But Marines Super Cobras with "Soviet" tactics had much less damage than Apaches.

With a blurred front line, the helicopter "hiding in ambush" (obedient from kilometers away, and visible) will be driven by an armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle and will be shot ... if the Iraqi slippers on foot and in jeep jumped.

[cast iron]

Mi-24 is perfectly able to hang.

[helmi8]

Quote: Spade

But the second option is definitely safer for pilots.

Quite the contrary. A hovering helicopter is much easier to shoot down than a flying one. Moreover, it is very difficult to hit with a variable glide from a rifle.

[Lopatov]

Quote: helmi8

Quite the contrary. A hovering helicopter is much easier to shoot down than a flying one.

I agree. But for this it must be discovered. Modern "hanging" ones are capable of operating without entering the effective fire zone of air defense systems. There is a UAV for this.

[helmi8]

Quote: Spade

Modern "hanging" are able to operate without entering the effective fire zone of air defense systems

Of course they can. Only the efficiency of use will be small - only SD. And the rest of the weapons? NAR and small-cannon from a long distance is not effective. Yes, in fact, the helicopter is designed to launch assault attacks and support ground forces directly in the combat zone. Well, the use of the Mi-35 for landing somehow does not impress me. Experience has shown that the Mi-8 is more effective in this regard.

[Lopatov]

Quote: helmi8

NAR and small-cannon from a long distance is not effective.

With modern weapons, the likelihood of their use is too small.

According to NAR, as far as I know, the Americans sawed them into a manageable version with semi-active LGSN. That is, they can work with UAVs.

Quote: helmi8

Well, the use of the Mi-35 for landing somehow does not impress me.

Too few for such use.

[helmi8]

Quote: Spade

Too few for such use.

Why so few? They all, starting with the Mi-24A, have a cargo compartment with a capacity of 8 paratroopers ...

Quote: Spade

According to NAR, as far as I know, the Americans sawed them into a manageable version with semi-active LGSN

And what about the quantity and again the notorious efficiency? And why is the NAR aiming head if you need to "cover the area"?

[Lopatov]

Quote: helmi8

Why so few? They all, starting with the Mi-24A, have a cargo compartment with a capacity of 8 paratroopers.

There are few helicopters.

Quote: helmi8

And the quantity and again the notorious efficiency? And why does the NAR aiming head

In order not to spend expensive "Helfaers" on cheap purposes. And they are not going to work in areas, the concept is as follows ... 8))) They even refused MLRS. Master-master ...

[AAK]

As always with us ... with a hammer, chisel and some kind of mother ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Lieutenant Senior

Because the helicopter is effective))

It would be effective, modernization would not be conceived.
Effective compared to what? With "Apache"?

[Lieutenant Senior]

As for the cost, yes, one Apache costs money like four of our helicopters))

In general, I meant effectiveness as efficiency, not comparing with others)

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Lieutenant Senior

As for the cost, yes, one Apache costs money like four of our helicopters))

Why are you so worried about the high cost of "Apache"?
I, and our helicopter pilots, do not think about this at all. We are on the drum how much it costs.

Quote: Lieutenant Senior

In general, I meant effectiveness as efficiency, not comparing with others)

Efficiency cannot be determined without comparison with analogues.
If "Apache" is me, for example, for example, in 30 seconds, from a distance of 10 km. destroys 3 tanks, and our MI-28 only 1, then what kind of MI-28 efficiency can we talk about? Despite the fact that MI-28 is taking a platoon of paratroopers, but Apache is not.

[Lieutenant Senior]

I, and our helicopter pilots, do not think about this at all. We are on the drum how much it costs.

Further it was possible not to continue, the picture is clear.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Lieutenant Senior

Further it was possible not to continue, the picture is clear.

And me.
Lieutenant Senior - "How much does the Apache cost?" - 1000 bucks. Lieutenant Senior - "How much does MI-28 cost?" - 100 bucks. Lieutenant Senior - "How much does MI-2 cost?" - 20 bucks.
Lieutenant Senior - "Here! Here it is the best and most efficient helicopter in the world !!!"

[not main]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Lieutenant Senior

As for the cost, yes, one Apache costs money like four of our helicopters))

Why are you so worried about the high cost of "Apache"?
I, and our helicopter pilots, do not think about this at all. We are on the drum how much it costs.

Quote: Lieutenant Senior

In general, I meant effectiveness as efficiency, not comparing with others)

Efficiency cannot be determined without comparison with analogues.
If "Apache" is me, for example, for example, in 30 seconds, from a distance of 10 km. destroys 3 tanks, and our MI-28 only 1, then what kind of MI-28 efficiency can we talk about? Despite the fact that MI-28 is taking a platoon of paratroopers, but Apache is not.

Comparison of ATGM is not correct! For ATGMs, we did not go far from each other. Well, then, instead of the paratroopers, the Mi-24 (35,28) can take additional weapons and is quite heavy! What about Apache?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: non-primary

Comparison of ATGM is not correct!

We talked about efficiency. And, if you are attentive, you should have paid attention to mine - "this is me, for example, for example,"
Does "additional weaponry" improve efficiency? Yes, but on one condition - hitting the target! And as far as I know, we have problems with this, in comparison with Apache.

[cast iron]

The Mi-28 does not take a paratrooper platoon. It has no landing compartment at all. The Mi-24 can take, as far as I remember, 7 paratroopers. The Apache has no mission to deliver the troops. He's a pure attack helicopter. It is not correct to compare it with the Mi-24/35.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Effective compared to what? With "Apache"?

And the fact that these are slightly different types you do not take into account when comparing.

After the equipment upgrade, the upgraded Mi-35MV will turn into a modern flying landing assault vehicle.

How many troops does the Apache take?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Piramidon

How many troops does the Apache take?

Read my answer "Lieutenant Senior"

[alexmach]

How many troops does the Apache take?

And why is there a landing assault helicopter? Also in an unarmored cabin?

[Piramidon]

Quote: alexmach

And why is there a landing assault helicopter?

For the same, why and BMP. Drop off and support. The man began to compare the Apache and the Mi-24/35, somewhat different in purpose.

The Soviet concept was different from the American one. The designers had to create not just an attack helicopter, but a flying infantry fighting vehicle, which could not only land an assault force, but also cover it with fire if necessary.
https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/mi-24/

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Piramidon

For the same, why and BMP. Drop off and support. The man began to compare the Apache and the Mi-24/35, somewhat different in purpose.

I do not compare helicopters, but their effectiveness in performing the task.
Which of the helicopters will be more effective with fire support of the landing? Apache or MI?
It seems to me that Apache. And only because its sighting equipment is better than that of Mi and KA.
This is not my speculation.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I do not compare helicopters, but their effectiveness in performing the task.

Well, then I propose to compare the tank and BMP.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I do not compare helicopters, but their effectiveness in performing the task.

Well, then I propose to compare the tank and BMP.

Here. Everything is correct. We do not have a "tank" in the air, there are only "BMP". And the mattress makers have a "tank" - the Apache.
And I would like him to be.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

We do not have a "tank" in the air, there are only "BMP". And the mattress makers have a "tank" - Apache.

Have you written off the Mi-28N / NM?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Piramidon

Have you written off the Mi-28N / NM?

We do not know anything about its capabilities. But mass and dimensional indicators are not in favor of MI. But this is half the trouble, the main thing is the search for the target, the accuracy of aiming in any climatic conditions and possibly large distances than that of the adversary.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: AAK

For 40 years from Afgan to Syria we have been fighting mainly on "crocodiles"

MI-35 is available since 2005. Has technology really gone so far and a lot of things have appeared that in 2005 were not even foreseen? They will put a new engine - which one? Do we have a better engine than VK-2500?
Did not hear.

[Zaurbek]

In theory. .. at the exit of the theater of operations from Mi38. There is a power of 3500ls. I don’t know if they differ in size or not. And the gearbox from him.

[mag nit]

The Russian Defense Ministry launches the Sawmill program.

[Invoce]

The Ministry of Defense launches the program "protection of Russian sovereignty"

[donavi49]

Overall +/- see:
3 - different types of attack helicopters, with minimal unification. This is the same amount as in the EU (Tiger and Augusta + Apaches) and the USA with Apache (if you do not take the sailors - who have their own atmosphere).

not the fact that it won’t work out as with NM - they invested a lot of money and 8 years of work = too expensive.

besides spraying of forces and means on 3 modernization programs on 3 to different machines at the same time.

training program for pilots and technical personnel on 3 different machines.

Plus, only one - if one machine fails on technical solutions or something else, then the others do not.

[EnGenius]

The decision was made to modify the Mi-28N in the Mi-28NM, there will simply be no new purchases of the Mi-28NM yet.

[Zaurbek]

The Mi35 is upgrading the Mi24 / 25. So what do they go plus for the manufactured Rostov Mi28.

[cast iron]

Look wider. In addition to Apache, the USA has 2 more drummers - Cobra and Small 2 local ant special forces. The Mi-35 is convenient in that pilots flying the Mi24 quickly retrain on it. Plus, the machine worked out to a screw, and its performance characteristics are not inferior to modern helicopters. And the main plus is the relative cheapness and well-established production.

[Archivist Vasya]

We also use the usual Mi-24, but here they wanted to abandon the Mi-35M, strange ...

[Michman]

I read it and thought about it right away ...

[bessmertniy]

They worked well in Syria. The frames look impressive. And with modernization, they will be enough for a long time both for military operations and for civilians.

[Zaurbek]

They are being modernized in the 35th

[BAI]

Mi-28 - not mastered. For that, the Mi-35 appeared (modestly silent that it was a Mi-24).

[Invoce]

and who said they did not master? there are not a few of them in the troops, all the more constantly there are improvements based on the results of use in Syria

[Chichikov]

Quote: BAI

Mi-28 - not mastered. For that, the Mi-35 appeared (modestly silent that it was a Mi-24)

Need to pay attention to the lines

will turn into a modern flying landing vehicle

Mi-35M was considered, as a transitional model for flight crew, from Mi-24 to Mi-28NM, but for landing he is weak, only 2-3 people, instead of 8, 35.

[Wolf]

No 2-3 and 5-6, and with the new engine there will be more, and this is the necessary Airborne Forces.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This is not a Mi-24, this is a new helicopter from the old one, it only has a body.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: BAI

Mi-28 - not mastered.

[Invoce]

One name Super Crocodile! Already suggests that you need to be careful not to meddle where these cars live

[novel66]

not everyone is afraid of crocodiles

[Alexey RA]

Quote: novel xnumx

not everyone is afraid of crocodiles

Does a crocodile fear crocodiles ...
Moreover, he has a knife. No - KNIFE!

[mag nit]

"Armata" will be upgraded to "Superarmata".

[kolkulon]

Super crocodile ..for

[Wolf]

So Mi24 (Hind) and then Mi35 (M and MV) The layout of the machine was and remains REVOLUTIONARY for the world helicopter building. One of the most successful weapons in the arsenal of the USSR. It was perfect for the KRILATE ARMY, airborne! He could carry and landing, except for shock force. Something like flying armored personnel carriers. In the modern concept of war, where quickly moving and suddenly quickly hitting the most important thing, there is no better place in the world. Only the stupid or the traitor could refuse this car. Why are the airborne armored personnel carriers light (which can transport air) if such a machine eats. In most cases, it is best suited for completing an airborne mission. There is still no car in the world for this concept. It is necessary to remove the cap in front of the designers
MI 24. He set the world fashion trend of combat helicopters. Then the USA made Apache but did not get close to the universality of MI 24! Thank God they did not remove it from armament. For the Airborne, they need a lot of upgrades! What do you think why the Serbs ordered MI 35, and Mi17 but not MI 28? in place with MI 17?
Live were!

[Wolf]

I hope that our order changes to MI 35MV!

[Wolf]

I don’t know how it is, if it should be part of the Airborne Forces!

[Andrey VOV]

A beautiful devil take "Crocodile" ... I and not only I, are alive largely thanks to him ...

[Lesorub]

As for weapons, there is no data yet.

Yes, this is the most interesting, which missiles are the range !!

[Berkut24]

But as for the engines, this is correct. The current ones will be rather weak.

[Incvizitor]

And the old mi 24 are not going to upgrade?

[Vadim237]

They are only allowed for scrap.