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Natives of the Caucasus again freed from military service

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In 2012, recruits from the republics of the North Caucasus will not be recruited into the Russian army. This June 18 reports RIA "News"With reference to a high-ranking official of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

The call will also be avoided by Caucasians living in other regions of Russia. The residents of the Caucasus region were no longer required for military service in 2011. This decision was made in order to fight bullying and fraternities.

According to the Baltic Military Prosecutor fleet Sergey Tsipushtanov, this practice bears fruit. In 2012, the number of crimes related to hazing in Kaliningrad decreased by 30 percent. According to the Colonel of Justice, this became possible due to the fact that parts of the fleet in the region ceased to be staffed with troops from the North Caucasus and the Southern Federal District.

Great resonance caused история about bullying of senior servicemen of Caucasians over the first years that occurred on one of the ships of the Baltic Fleet in 2009. The Dagestan "grandfathers" took away the values ​​and money from the sailors, and also put the word "KAVKAZ" on the deck with their bodies. In 2010, the court sentenced the six guilty “grandfathers” to terms ranging from a year and a half to 1 and 9 months.

The current draft campaign will last in Russia from April 1 to July 15. To give debt to the motherland will be more than 155 thousands of conscripts. On 31 May 2012, more than 54 of thousands of young soldiers went to the army.
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http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2012/06/18/ministerstvo-oborony-rf/urozhentsev-kavkaza-snova-osvobodili-ot-sluzhby-v-armii
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 19 June 2012 11: 30
    +1
    This is already different. Even the warriors are different.
    1. Neighbor
      Neighbor 19 June 2012 16: 06
      0
      Quote: Vadivak
      native troops with their military structure and traditions

      It was high time to get rid of them. Or just realized - that 30% of crimes - this is just the tip of the iceberg !!!
      Funny: at work today, the guards caught the Uzbeks - migrant workers - at the dining room a dog .. no, they didn’t eat - they had a tail.
      Not a joke. Here it is - their culture and level of mental development.
      That those - that those - does not matter. There are rams, there are dogs.
      Quote: vadimus
      Do not fig produce future fighters. They are already without a tower.

      yes good
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 19 June 2012 18: 36
        -7
        A malicious article contributes to inciting ethnic hatred may already be enough? Are they citizens of another country? Want to promote their separation from Russia? Well then keep up the good work sad

        Article 59 of the Constitution of Russia:



        1. Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and duty of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

        2. A citizen of the Russian Federation shall perform military service in accordance with federal law.

        3. A citizen of the Russian Federation, if his convictions or religion is contrary to the performance of service, as well as in other cases established by federal law, has the right to replace it with alternative civilian service.
        1. speedy
          speedy 19 June 2012 18: 50
          +14
          The defense of the Motherland is not only the sacred duty of every man, but also a great honor. Caucasians tarnished the honor of the Motherland and its armed forces with their behavior, and now this right and sacred duty is only for the most worthy, this right must be earned!
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 19 June 2012 19: 03
            +2
            Quote: short-term
            Caucasians tarnished the honor of the Motherland and its armed forces with their behavior, and now this right and sacred duty is only for the most worthy, this right must be earned!


            For example, Ossetia do they need to earn this right? Judge for yourself

            Ossetia in the Great Patriotic War.


            June 22, 1941 began the Great Patriotic War of the Soviet Union against
            Nazi Germany. The war lasted four years - until Victory Day on May 9, 1945. More than 110 thousand sons and daughters of Ossetia were drafted into the army.
            The whole life of two Ossetian autonomies was rebuilt on a war footing - factories and factories mastered the production of products necessary for the front, 35 thousand people participated in the construction of defensive structures.
            At the end of July 1942, the German army entered the North Caucasus and began implementing the Edelweiss plan, a large-scale military operation to capture the Caucasus. Initially, the German offensive was successful. In the last days of August, after bloody battles, the Red Army left Mozdok, then Prokhladny and Malgobek fell. The Nazis were eager to reach Grozny and Baku, to the Georgian Military and Ossetian Military Highways. In the foothills of the Central Caucasus, together with the retreating units of the North Caucasian Front, the Nazis were opposed by the Northern Group of Forces of the Transcaucasian Front.
            On September 27, the Germans occupied Elkhotovo, hoping to launch an offensive against Ordzhonikidze (Vladikavkaz). The way to the capital of North Ossetia lay through Ardzhinarag - a natural "gate" between the low ridges that enclose the Vladikavkaz plain from the north. However, here the Germans were disappointed. Despite the superiority in manpower, tanks and aviation, they did not manage to get through the Elkhotovo Gate.
            In October 1942, the Nazis undertook a roundabout maneuver. Having crossed the Terek and made its way in the direction of Nalchik-Chikol-Digor, the German troops launched a massive attack on Alagir and Ardon. On November 2, 1942, breaking the line of defense north of Dzuarikau, the Germans occupied Gisel and found themselves on the outskirts of Ordzhonikidze. The city was transferred to a state of siege. There were fierce battles in its suburbs, in which large military forces and a large number of equipment participated on both sides.
            The capital of Ossetia survived. From 6 to 11 November 1942, the troops of the Left Flank of the 9th Army, aviation of the 4th Air Army with the participation of the North Ossetian people's volunteer brigade and partisan detachments launched a counteroffensive. The German units were defeated and driven back tens of kilometers. Operation Edelweiss failed ingloriously. In early January 1943, the territories of Ossetia occupied by the Germans were completely liberated. During the Nazi occupation, 1456 civilians were killed, 871 were wounded, 4059 people were taken to forced labor.
            During the years of World War II, the inhabitants of Ossetia made 193,5 million rubles of voluntary donations to the defense fund, and sent 833,5 thousand gifts to the front. Ordzhonikidze enterprises alone delivered 17 mortars, 164 thousand shells, 114 thousand grenades, a large number of air bombs, anti-tank mines, etc. to the front. 76 natives of Ossetia were marked with the highest mark of military distinction - the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. Twice this title was awarded to Army General I.A. Pliev and Major General I.I. Fesin. 9 people became full holders of the Order of Glory. 50 participants in the war were awarded the military ranks of generals and admirals.
            In official military statistics, Ossetians are in first place in terms of the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union, in relation to the number of people.
            1. hrych
              hrych 19 June 2012 21: 11
              +6
              http://monetnii.ru/HUssr.html
              According to the mint (or was it stamped somewhere else?), According to the ethnic composition, the majority of Heroes were Russians - 7998 people; there were 2021 Ukrainians, 299 Belarusians, 161 Tatars, 107 Jews, 96 Kazakhs, 90 Georgians, 89 Armenians, 67, Mordvin - 63, 45 Chuvash, 43 - Azerbaijanis, 38 - Ossetians, Bashkirs - 31, Mari - 18, Turkmen - 16, Lithuanians - 15, Tajiks - 15, Latvians - 12, Kyrgyz - 12, Komi - 10, Udmurts - 10, Estonians -9, Karelians - 8, Kalmyks - 8, Kabardians - 6 , Adyghets - 6, Abkhazians - 4, Yakuts - 2, Moldavians - 2, Tuvinian - 1
              1. Oleg0705
                Oleg0705 19 June 2012 21: 17
                0
                Heroes of the Soviet Union
              2. Oleg0705
                Oleg0705 19 June 2012 21: 27
                -1
                Heroes of the Soviet Union
                1. hrych
                  hrych 19 June 2012 21: 58
                  +1
                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Перепись_населения_СССР_(1959)

                  114 mln Russians, 37 mln Ukrainians, and even that, 20 years after the war, the population should be considered.
                  in 1939 Russians 99 million, Ukrainians 28 million, Ossetians 0,355 million Recount? The table, yours, was clearly drawn by the Ossetians, glory to the Ossetian heroes, but very cunning bookkeeping.
                  1. Oleg0705
                    Oleg0705 19 June 2012 23: 11
                    +1
                    This one was painted by Klmyk Heroes of the Soviet Union laughing
                    1:1
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 19 June 2012 23: 55
                      +1
                      калмыки 134402(39) 106066(59) 137194(70) 146631(79) 173821(89),
                      Now it’s clear why they chose 1959, apparently 300 thousand hid on pastures and weren’t copied, but they entered the hero’s statistics, and the fact that the Russians got a thousand times more Heroes ....
                      And Ossetians fellows, according to my calculations, share the first place with the Russians, Ukrainians further, although such ashealth is not correct, to put it mildly.
                      1. Oleg0705
                        Oleg0705 20 June 2012 00: 17
                        0
                        Well, we found out, but what do you think on the main issue, you are also against them serving in the army?
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 20 June 2012 14: 33
                        +1
                        A soldier is first of all a discipline, who is not capable of observing it, why torment each other, if there are problems from them, and why problems are needed.
                      3. TiRex
                        TiRex 21 June 2012 16: 07
                        +2
                        not 300000 and 30000
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 23 June 2012 20: 01
                        +1
                        Sure, sorry.
            2. mkmi
              mkmi 13 May 2015 00: 53
              0
              Quote: Oleg0705
              In official military statistics, Ossetians are in first place in terms of the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union, in relation to the number of people.
              What kind of "official military statistics" is this? Made in Ossetia?
          2. thatupac
            thatupac 19 June 2012 19: 10
            -1
            Ha ha ha laughing , well and nonsense. It has long been rooted in society that who served, that village sucker without attendants and education. Of course, this is nonsense, but most people think so. But the elite does not serve us. So Caucasians have now become this elite.
            1. Oleg0705
              Oleg0705 19 June 2012 20: 23
              0
              thatupac,

              I ran through your posts, cruelly and cruelly of course, but I hope that they will contribute to raising national identity and the revival of the Russian spirit, which it has not yet lost in its genes in the slap. I hope that your posts will be understood not only by site visitors.
            2. qube4
              qube4 20 June 2012 00: 29
              0
              What kind of country are you talking about? O_o
        2. Patriot of Russia
          Patriot of Russia 21 June 2012 10: 59
          -1
          Oleg0705, Russian people no longer live in the Caucasus, Russian laws do not work there, and now the constitution is not written for them. all this suggests that the authorities have absolutely no control over the situation, and BY FACT the Caucasus has already been lost. another "achievement" of Putin's decade
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 21 June 2012 17: 02
            -1
            Patriot of Russia,


            Duck you have a temperature or what? You are carrying nonsense to the masses, who will believe you, the same narrow-minded "patriot of Russia" Stalin is not on you yet, but yes
      2. andrklimanov
        andrklimanov 19 June 2012 20: 40
        +12
        Quote: Neighbor
        It was high time to get rid of them.

        one must not smoke, not drink, but become stronger, otherwise two Dags or Chechens or Ingush chase twenty people of all other nationalities, and they whine that they are offended and cannot do anything even with a "crowd"
        in the Caucasus they respect the strong and despise jerks !!! so you need to change yourself and not change them, but they should serve like everyone else
        BEFORE think and then minus smile
        1. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu 19 June 2012 21: 35
          +1
          I am pleased to ply you for honesty smile I am glad that on the site, amid frenzied nationalism and even outright fascism, there are adequate people, so it’s not so sad.
      3. Krilion
        Krilion 20 June 2012 07: 45
        -2
        Quote: Neighbor
        Funny: at work today, the guards caught the Uzbeks - migrant workers - at the dining room a dog .. no, they didn’t eat - they had a tail.


        on the one hand it can be ridiculous, but on the other ... what is it for them to rape passers-by now? ....
  2. vadimus
    vadimus 19 June 2012 11: 33
    +12
    Do not fig produce future fighters. They are already without a tower.
    1. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 19 June 2012 13: 02
      +13
      Not only militants can be raised in the army. It is necessary how the Germans with the Bulgarians entered WWII, they were attracted mainly for the construction of roads, fortifications, anti-tank ditches and so on. It is the same with the Caucasians, it’s necessary to do so, they cut tunnels, build roads, aerodromes ....... so they will be at least useful.
      1. thatupac
        thatupac 19 June 2012 13: 18
        -9
        But what about ethnic harassment? Why are Caucasians supposed to fall on construction battles, but not Russians? To the European Court of Human Rights - not otherwise!
        1. bachast
          bachast 19 June 2012 14: 00
          -4
          One of the rules of communication on the site!
        2. Galina
          Galina 19 June 2012 15: 39
          +3
          I understand that in your words the irony. I'm right?
        3. Alf
          Alf 19 June 2012 18: 53
          +2
          Yes, they love black in the European Court, you can not even apply, they will immediately award a victory. And about the construction battles, what else can Black do? And about oppression on a national basis, how do they treat Russians at home?
          1. thatupac
            thatupac 19 June 2012 19: 11
            0
            Stroybat no longer. Used to be. And the Russians served there.
          2. andrklimanov
            andrklimanov 19 June 2012 20: 54
            +1
            Quote: Alf
            But how do they treat Russians at home?

            and you don’t mess, go and find out!
            whoever was visiting a Caucasian knows how to turn to Russians.
            and who is friends with the Caucasian - knows that there is NO stronger friendship
            1. Alf
              Alf 19 June 2012 21: 51
              +1
              Toto in the late 80s-early 90s Russians drove out of there.
        4. speedy
          speedy 19 June 2012 18: 54
          0
          They are also of little use in the construction battalion, even if they simply work as a civilian, create and provide for their families. Army for the worthy.
      2. 755962
        755962 19 June 2012 15: 34
        +3
        Quote: Tirpitz
        tunnels are cut, roads, aerodromes are built ....

        To revive the construction battalions for this business. Previously, they basically did it ... Although for them .. "wherever you work, just not to work."
      3. warrior
        warrior 19 June 2012 17: 38
        -1
        It is very curious where you got such "deep knowledge" of the Bulgarian military history. Show me these trenches, roads, aerodromes.
        Do you want to tell this to the Bulgarian fighter pilots who fought 1 against 20 with the Americans, or to the Bulgarian Pike pilots who bombed German columns at the end of the war, or naval pilots who drowned Soviet submarines with the sailors, or gendarmerie who caught Soviet and British sabotage groups in the mountains.
        No, show it to the participants of the Bulgarian anti-tank units of the SS or veterans who, together with the Russians, held the defense against the Germans on the river. Drava at the casing of Budapest.
        You can also tell this to the families of Serbs, Turks, Romanians, Greeks, French, British, Americans, Russians, and indeed everyone who died in battles with the Bulgarian army. You can tell this to the captive banners of the Russian regiments, which are stored in the Military Museum in Sofia.
        And best of all, do not tell anything, apparently there is nothing to tell, it is far from stories.
    2. Trofimov174
      Trofimov174 19 June 2012 13: 17
      +1
      He said briefly and the essence, nothing more to add.
  3. jindol47
    jindol47 19 June 2012 11: 34
    +4
    I completely agree. Otherwise, we will create a fifth column, which at the first order from outside (and not only) will turn the weapon against the Russians.
  4. btsypulin
    btsypulin 19 June 2012 11: 42
    +15
    On the other hand, we live in one country and all men should serve in the Army, regardless of who they are by nationality. If you speak with your mouth, then can someone reduce the retirement age for example? For example, if Kalmyks will work up to 55 years, and Russian - 10 years more, is this normal? I believe that they should serve in the Army, you just don’t need to accumulate more than 3 people in one unit from the Caucasus ...........
    1. Galina
      Galina 19 June 2012 15: 42
      +2
      That's right. Plus to you. My thought was voiced. And recruit a conscript with a thorough psychological test. And to create an atmosphere in which to serve would be an honor.
    2. Oleg0705
      Oleg0705 19 June 2012 18: 52
      -1
      Quote: btsypulin
      I believe that they should serve in the Army, you just don’t need to accumulate more than 3 people in one unit from the Caucasus ..


      why ??? after all, there is a charter, because there are dizbats, there are laws to imprison all who violate officers, we need not to take strong bribes, and then ..
    3. thatupac
      thatupac 19 June 2012 19: 13
      +1
      Why is it so? Is it so scary to serve with Caucasians that even Dzhigurda-Chubak is no match for them? They are afraid ...
  5. Dimonspp
    Dimonspp 19 June 2012 11: 52
    +3
    no people - no problem. "good" logic from the Ministry of Defense ....
  6. Enjoy
    Enjoy 19 June 2012 12: 34
    +16
    Yes, they did everything right!

    If Caucasians cannot raise their children as normal, then let them deal with them themselves at home.

    There are, of course, rampant conscripts in other nations, but due to a combination of several circumstances, among Caucasians such most.

    And if they intend to punish a Russian for misconduct, he does not pull the relatives in the camp, so that she would shield him with threats and bribes, no matter what he does. We also brought a special dag. Parents gave a bribe to join the army, ascribed as if from another region. Still on KMB he climbed to fight with a sergeant. They stole it. Reprimand, to the commander of the unit, outfits in a pile, all things ... After two days two of his irresponsible brothers pinned themselves and tried to bypass the command to find the sergeant on whom their cousin himself rushed.

    Fuck such cadres are not needed in the army - ambition like heroes, and a little responsible for their actions - it immediately becomes clear that they are oppressed, you see, on a national or religious basis.
  7. tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 19 June 2012 12: 38
    +5
    The root of this problem is the lack of respect for these people for their homeland, and most likely they generally do not consider Russia as such. Therefore, they do not serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but spend time in military units and engage in crime.
    Farther and farther the Caucasus is from Russia, but perhaps this is for the better. If they do not want to serve, then why should everyone else protect them?
  8. Pedro
    Pedro 19 June 2012 12: 56
    +3
    The right decision, they have nothing to do in the sun. However, they will find other ways to power structures.
    1. speedy
      speedy 19 June 2012 19: 02
      +1
      You can’t go to the power structures without military service; you get an additional and natural barrier to crime in the power and state. structure. Very correct decision.
  9. timurpl
    timurpl 19 June 2012 12: 59
    +2
    In tsarist times, from the Caucasians, they created "wild divisions" distinguished by a combination of recklessness with heroism - well, what is not a reason today to recall the past!
    1. cc-20
      cc-20 19 June 2012 15: 53
      +5
      There was an article on how the Makhnovists dealt with these "wild" people, their heroism is a myth. And what to entrust them, now instead of cavalry, tanks, and there you have to work with your head, and we secretly know that they have no heads.
    2. Alf
      Alf 19 June 2012 18: 57
      0
      Please specify at what time and in what places these "wild divisions" fought?
  10. saveall
    saveall 19 June 2012 13: 07
    +2
    Everything is correct. They will not make good soldiers, such as can be brought up from the Russians. At most, these are national battalions of the "Vostok" type, which carry out operations on the territory of their republics. And even then a "double-edged sword" - in a war, they need an eye and an eye. So why bother ... They can learn to wield small arms even at home.
  11. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 19 June 2012 13: 17
    +2
    “A nation that does not have a national identity is manure on which other nations grow”
    - Stolypin P.A., statesman
    1. lcalex
      lcalex 19 June 2012 14: 17
      -2
      Why are you doing this? Explain pzh-that.
  12. cord
    cord 19 June 2012 13: 17
    +19
    All these stories about "no need to train future militants" are just left-wing excuses to justify the fact that officers do not work with people at all! Why the hell are they not being drafted into the army if we have 1) Lack of personnel 2) It seems like we live in one country and everyone is equal before the law ?! Do not want to obey or show off - lip or disbat! Not re-educated - again lip or disbat! And so a completely shameful situation arises that they kind of bent the entire Russian army! Several million people bent the remaining 140 million! Shut up logic! And while a completely disgusting situation arises that the army turns out to be a very selective structure into which ordinary guys are driven, but they do not take the kids of majors, politicians and now, it turns out, Caucasians, because, you see, they walk together and bend everyone else ... The prestige of the army is growing by leaps and bounds
    1. bachast
      bachast 19 June 2012 13: 55
      +1
      "All these stories about" no need to train future militants "are just left-wing excuses"


      And this is not only excuses, it is also as they said below-
      "The Russians have signed that they are weaklings" ........
      And everyone who wrote here
      - "Did it right" -
      confirmation of this ... Personally, I am ashamed of it, but not for myself
      1. cc-20
        cc-20 19 June 2012 16: 03
        +1
        Russian wimps soaked in Chechnya tens of thousands of proud, timid Georgians, generally silent. If those who couldn’t pay off, who were caught by the military registration and enlistment office, who don’t give rebuff to the dugs, carry out military service, this is not an indicator. Russian youth often sends Caucasian corpses home, about fan groups that in Moscow can put 100 thousand army under arms and which the authorities forced to reckon with.
        1. thatupac
          thatupac 19 June 2012 17: 25
          -1
          Yeah, especially after the Manezh, all Caucasians and Central Asians from Maskvabad fled laughing ... Do not carry nonsense, ah! What for the Russian youth that sends Caucasian corpses home? Do not self-deceive. Moreover, you probably do not live in Russia at all.
          1. cc-20
            cc-20 19 June 2012 17: 49
            +5
            This is the head of the Dagestan diaspora complained about NTV.
            1. thatupac
              thatupac 19 June 2012 19: 14
              +2
              Well, those from the diaspora always like to be pity and extinguish from problems with excuses about "evil Russians" and "good Caucasians."
  13. thatupac
    thatupac 19 June 2012 13: 29
    +2
    The Russians signed that they were all weaklings, and the small Caucasians put them on their knees in absentia. With what I congratulate. For a snack, because they deserve:
    http://www.mk.ru/upload/iblock_mk/475/c6/2d/53/DETAIL_PICTURE_537017.jpg
    http://gorod.tomsk.ru/uploads/60167/1303294662/3.jpg
    http://www.livejournal.ru/static/files/themes/20413_401996108.jpg
    http://img12.nnm.ru/b/e/e/e/1/604400f1e468b77b09809e9ec24.jpg
    http://img15.nnm.ru/b/a/7/6/c/7bfcdee0adf02224a9f342f0552.jpg

    Happy viewing.

    Quote: thatupac
    but they don’t take the kids of majors, politicians and now, it turns out, Caucasians

    The elite does not serve. Didn't you know?
    1. cord
      cord 19 June 2012 13: 40
      +4
      Yes, I knew, but hoped that something would change ... And here again stability!
      1. cc-20
        cc-20 19 June 2012 16: 08
        +2
        The Chechens filmed the camera as they cut the heads of prisoners, but then they found many in the face, because, personally, I know the guys who cut their heads to the Chechens, but for some reason they didn’t shoot the camera.
        1. thatupac
          thatupac 19 June 2012 17: 26
          -5
          Or maybe not only Chechens, but also Arabs? And why is the Chechen war and lawlessness in Mokva Caucasian students?
  14. CC-20a
    CC-20a 19 June 2012 13: 30
    +3
    You can do it very simply, but efficiently. To transfer the disciplinary battalion from under the army to the civilian, that is, once you get there, it turns out you did not serve in the army, you served the army. In Caucasians, unlike Russian, it is prestigious to serve in the army, but if for disciplines. misconduct, they immediately fall where there is no army for them to be a shame. And so ... everyone should serve, regardless of nationality.
    1. cc-20
      cc-20 19 June 2012 16: 11
      +3
      They are not needed, no where, there is no sense from them and there will not be, let the sheep graze at home, at least, for some benefit.
      1. CC-20a
        CC-20a 19 June 2012 17: 14
        0
        That's why I couldn’t register wassat I had to invent)

        There is always sense from everyone, even from the enemy, one must be able to use it. The benefits are unequivocal.
        1. cc-20
          cc-20 19 June 2012 17: 26
          +1
          Who first got up, that and slippers.
      2. thatupac
        thatupac 19 June 2012 17: 28
        -3
        So they are Russian sheep and e..t, and Russian sheep are grazed. What's the matter?
        1. cc-20
          cc-20 19 June 2012 17: 57
          +1
          You see, you yourself proved that dumb. You only have to eat your mouth, and sometimes make inarticulate sounds such as: eat, sasat, ebat. Dumb churabes, go fuck.
          1. thatupac
            thatupac 19 June 2012 18: 16
            -4
            Ha ha ha, the Internet warrior of the Enesa squad is evident laughing ...
            1. cc-20
              cc-20 19 June 2012 18: 42
              +2
              Ah, you, of course, the world champion in cuckoo shinkai. I, myself, serve in the power structure, a senior officer already, and even then in my circle I am considered almost tolerant, I have a Caucasian friend.
              1. thatupac
                thatupac 19 June 2012 19: 16
                -3
                Yes, yes, and I’m a Japanese urban. Learn to lie on the Internet at least normally! You’re scorching!
                1. cc-20
                  cc-20 19 June 2012 20: 20
                  +1
                  Dima, are you Jewish or Armenian? Nashists still not dispersed?
                  1. thatupac
                    thatupac 20 June 2012 07: 56
                    -1
                    What the hell am I Nashi? The network hamster, the sleepover is finally here.
        2. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu 19 June 2012 19: 12
          0
          So they are Russian sheep and e..t, and Russian sheep are grazed.
          Wah! Why do you speak so badly about the great Russian people, "white" and "fluffy"! Where did you see rams among them ?! These are exceptionally highly moral, highly cultured and good-natured people who are an example for all mankind.
  15. Sarus
    Sarus 19 June 2012 13: 32
    +1
    Well, if you want to make a career in a state structure or a departmental institution, service in the Armed Forces is often a prerequisite for hiring, since many enterprises and structures generally do not hire non-military personnel.
    (From the site of the Ministry of Defense).
    Suggests some thoughts how guys with the Southern Federal District will then be able to get a job in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Emergencies of the FSB and similar structures ...
  16. Srgsoap
    Srgsoap 19 June 2012 13: 52
    -1
    MO as always washed their hands ....
    1. cc-20
      cc-20 19 June 2012 16: 16
      +5
      The army should give military training to conscripts, and not engage in the education of those who cannot be educated. And another problem, Caucasians grow up faster, at 18 they have a beard to the waist, only their brains are at the level of 7 years (although the EG is 100 points), they remain, and the Russians are still children, but their brains are capable of learning.
      1. thatupac
        thatupac 19 June 2012 17: 29
        -7
        Caucasians are smarter than you think. They just mow in the Army under the stupid, so that they do not fall under the stupid. Bottom line: Caucasians serve both in the resort, and Russians serve as their servants.
        1. cc-20
          cc-20 19 June 2012 18: 00
          +3
          The eyes are smart, smart, like a monkey.
          1. thatupac
            thatupac 19 June 2012 18: 15
            -6
            This "monkey" of Russians in the Army and in civilian life and in the tail and in the mane. And our NS are all only in the internet and are soared.
            1. cc-20
              cc-20 19 June 2012 18: 50
              +3
              Study the structure of the PS-90 jet engine or figure out the alkaloids, otherwise there is no trace of anything other than sexual perversions in your words. And then, you are your elite, even though you know how to write and at least you can go to the site, most of your people only understand sheep breeding.
              1. thatupac
                thatupac 19 June 2012 19: 17
                -4
                Well, they also know how to light on expensive cars around Maskvabad with Russian chicks. And you don't even know the structure of your engine there and push your nonsense. "Who is not with us, then by the bottom" ...
                1. cc-20
                  cc-20 19 June 2012 20: 16
                  +2
                  Dmitry, and who are you by nationality?
        2. suomi
          suomi 19 June 2012 23: 20
          -1
          My beast is yomayo.
  17. bachast
    bachast 19 June 2012 13: 59
    -1
    "MO washed its hands as always"

    MO this decision all normal men washed
  18. Imperialist
    Imperialist 19 June 2012 14: 18
    -1
    Well, at least in this way the problem of fraternity has been solved.

    The bulk of the Russian conscripts, maybe they were scared away from the army by the fact that there are problems with the Caucasians?

    Perhaps now Russians will mow less from the army?
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 19 June 2012 15: 07
      -3
      Yeah, right now. And where are they drilling?
  19. lcalex
    lcalex 19 June 2012 14: 24
    +3
    Many people say: "They are doing the right thing." I disagree! Not properly!
    Are they citizens of the Russian Federation? Yes. Before the law, should everyone be equal? Yes!

    Then why the hell ???
    And why do our boys do not stray into flocks and do not hammer Caucasians ???
    And not only in the army. For frequent and in the cities Caucasians do everything. Why? Who will answer this question?
    1. lcalex
      lcalex 19 June 2012 14: 34
      +1
      I'll try to answer myself:
      Therefore, they have a clan society. They are one after another mountain. Touched by one, everyone will harness for him. This is proved by many cases.

      Men, why do we have Russians wrong?
      After all, there were times when if somewhere in Baghdad a merchant from Russia is touched, the Russian diaspora will multiply all by zero ... Ehhh
      1. rate 60
        rate 60 19 June 2012 15: 03
        +4
        that is why we are under the yoke of the God-chosen. Yes, and the authorities are doing everything so that the Russians remain submissive slaves.
        1. lcalex
          lcalex 19 June 2012 16: 07
          +1
          Quote: rait 60
          And the authorities are doing everything so that the Russians remain submissive slaves.


          I agree. It’s necessary to understand and simplify how anybody dirty-handed, and how our people will touch someone-this is immediately inciting ethnic hatred, great-power chauvinism, etc.
      2. speedy
        speedy 19 June 2012 20: 52
        +2
        I will try and answer. The reason for the cohesion of the Caucasians and the disunity of the Russians lies in the family - in a large family, the older brother always stands for the younger, and together the brothers will always fight back any, even stronger. In Russia, traditionally families were large (before the revolution, on average, there were 5,5 children per Russian woman), and only in the 60s did fashion for 1 to 2 children go. And a guy who does not have an older brother grows without support, does not have a younger one, does not feel responsibility - an individualist who is unsure of himself grows and meeting a close-knit group he passes. My father had three brothers and three sisters, and no one dared to offend them, although they grew up orphans - no one had ever heard of the Caucasus, except that there were such mountains and sheep grazed there. Russians have to give birth a lot and everything will go by itself!
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 20 June 2012 06: 43
          0
          speedy,
          With pleasure I added your comment !!! +++
  20. Hamul
    Hamul 19 June 2012 14: 28
    +11

    timurpl Today, 12:59 PM new
    2 In tsarist times, from the Caucasians, they created "wild divisions" distinguished by a combination of recklessness with heroism - well, what is not a reason today to recall the past!

    There is a Chechen division East
    There are also interesting Cossack units that have lost families in Chechnya!


    You forgive me, but there are no bad nations, there are bad people!

    I am Russian, a Cossack, served in the MF PV, we had a lot of guys and Dagestanis, and Armenians and other nationalities. At times, everything happened, but what the army teaches is to unite in a single collective in a unit. If this is not the case, then there is no unit.

    I myself live in Stavropol, as they call it in the Caucasus - although this is Ciscaucasia. We have a lot of national cities. Yes, sometimes we have "fires" and not even at all times, but we live here and we know why they spread rot at the core of the Russians.

    The first reason is drunkenness - is it interesting among Caucasians that drunkenness is widespread?
    The second reason is that Russians are now based on shit, crybaby, and simply people who do not respect themselves. From a young age, Caucasians (Dagestanis, Circassians, Kalmyks, especially Chechens, etc.) develop a love of sports, a desire to be strong and better, AND to be better in everything Russian.
    the third reason is that they are held in place. They are well aware that the Russians on their territory are divided and each for himself - so they are easy to break.

    Back to the army - often Russians are simply beaten by the Russians themselves. And the Caucasians-only respect power !!! Direct and brute force.
    We also do not forget that hazing is a very convenient instrument of power in the unit by officers. As stated in our bullying in the MCH PV no one has canceled and will not cancel.
    Although what a Happiness hazing, how many double basses ?? conscripts serve the whole YEAR. WHAT IS IT GRANDFAT? he’s just another ciliates shoe.

    In general, Russian men - bring up from your children not computer zombies, not weaklings - but bring up Men, Men who can stand up for themselves and for their woman !!!

    PS I’m proud that I have friends and fellow Caucasians, they are often more decent than the so-called Russians. You can always rely on them, they are unlikely to betray, and in difficult times they will be there!
    1. lcalex
      lcalex 19 June 2012 15: 01
      +2
      Hamul - RESPECT. 1000 pluses.

      Quote: Hamul
      the third reason is that they are held in place. They are well aware that the Russians on their territory are divided and each for himself - so they are easy to break.
      100% !!!

      And I agree about the power. Look in the boxing section - only dagi ... sad
  21. snek
    snek 19 June 2012 14: 32
    +4
    This is literally a receipt of the complete failure of the army leadership. The total percentage of people from our mountainous south is not that big and they cannot even cope with them.
  22. Cadet787
    Cadet787 19 June 2012 14: 40
    -2
    It turns out that our constitution is not for everyone, which nation will be the next to exhort from the army, or it may be easier to restore order on this issue and everyone will serve.
  23. Roman 3671
    Roman 3671 19 June 2012 14: 54
    +3
    44 draftees from Dagestan beaten in Altai

    In one of the military units of the city of Aleisk, Altai Territory, 44 recruits from Dagestan were beaten. This was reported by news agency Regnum.

    Zamira Kosimova, chair of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers in Derbent, told reporters that on July 7, the victims "brought applications to the prosecutor's office, but they did not want to accept them for a long time." According to Kosimova, about 200 people took part in the beating of the recruits.

    The military prosecutor’s office of the Siberian Military District told reporters that the military prosecutor’s office of the Barnaul garrison is checking the fact of a fight in Aleisk. Inspectors establish which of the officials is responsible for what happened.

    "No one was seriously injured, but several servicemen received medical assistance," said assistant to the district military prosecutor Vladimir Makarov. According to the newspaper "Komsomolskaya Pravda", both Dagestanis and Russian soldiers turned to the doctors.

    Dagestanis told reporters that they constantly face harassment from their Russian colleagues. "The most harmless - they call monkeys, dogs, lumps," complained a Dagestani named Marat.

    At the same time, an unnamed "source in control of the situation" told the Komsomolskaya Pravda correspondent that the Dagestanis themselves started the fight. “Three Dagestanis approached the Russian and began to recruit him into their ranks. They tried to persuade him to obey not Russian officers, but Dagestanis,” he explained. According to the source, the Russian soldier refused the offer, after which the Dagestanis began to beat him. This was the beginning of a massive fight.

    The interlocutor of journalists said that two Dagestanis, whom law enforcement agencies considered the instigators of the fight, were arrested. Previously, they were already under investigation in the hazing case. The third person under investigation in this case was the son of Zamira Kosimova (he was later transferred from Aleisk to another city). The chairman of the Derbent Committee of Soldiers' Mothers claims that her son was framed.
    The incident occurred on Sunday, July 5th. The conflict involved Russian soldiers and recruits who had just arrived in the unit from Dagestan. According to various sources, wall to wall converged from 30 to 550 people. Law enforcement authorities say that it will be difficult to determine the exact number of fighters - the conflict was too transient. According to various sources, one to seven soldiers got to the hospital after the fight. Basically, the participants in the clash escaped with bruises and abrasions.
    Journalists paid attention to this story only on July 7, when the chairman of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of the city of Derbent, Zamira Kosimova, told the media that 44 Dagestani recruits filed a beating statement with the prosecutor's office.

    The authors of the statement claimed that shortly after arriving in the Aleisky part, approximately 200 Russian soldiers were beaten right on the parade ground. Officially, the military almost immediately denied the information on the number of participants in the conflict, saying that no more than 30-40 soldiers had fought. One way or another, but the prosecutor’s office began a check in part.

    On July 8, Kasimova announced new details of what was happening: supposedly 50 Dagestan servicemen went on a hunger strike, demanding a transfer from Aleisk to another part. The Dagestan soldier Marat (he has been serving in Aleisk for eight months) told reporters who arrived at the scene that the Dagestanis are indeed on a hunger strike and are even ready to open their veins. At the same time, he stated that not 200, as Kasimova claimed, but 500 Russian soldiers attacked the Dagestani recruits. In total, about 2000 people serve in this unit, of which approximately 800 are officers.

    Other sources, in turn, say that the Dagestanis who arrived in the unit began to establish their orders in the collective from the threshold, for which they paid. Allegedly, the conflict began with the fact that three Dagestanis began to convince the Russian soldier to obey them, not the commanders. Having received a refusal, they began to beat him, after which the comrades arrived in time to help both the beaten and the beating.

    By the way, a law enforcement source told the Kommersant newspaper that mostly Dagestani recruits took part in the fight, and old servicemen from the same region tried to be quiet. The fact is that a case is currently being heard in the local garrison court, in which ten Dagestani soldiers from this unit are accused of hazing. "Komsomolskaya Pravda" reports that, according to the investigation, in 2008 Dagestani old servicemen mocked Dagestani recruits, as a result of which one of the victims hanged himself.
    1. lcalex
      lcalex 19 June 2012 15: 05
      +3
      Quote: Novel 3671
      Dagestan recruits were attacked not by 200, as Kasimova claimed, but by 500 Russian soldiers


      Why not 5000? And plus a company of maroon berets. Let them not try!

      But in general it pleases. Although it’s not good to say so, I’m not a hypocrite, so I say what I think
    2. thatupac
      thatupac 19 June 2012 15: 18
      -2
      I found out about this case locally. This is a lie. It is the "other sources" that are more truthful. In fact, there were two Caucasian old servicemen trying to take off their ankle boots from one Russian.
      1. cc-20
        cc-20 19 June 2012 16: 43
        +2
        The teachers wanted to take off their sneakers. Rowed for slippers?
        1. thatupac
          thatupac 19 June 2012 18: 03
          -4
          This is the Russians for raking raked. The 2nd Dagestanis received 1.2 years and 9 months of disbath and a fine.
          1. Alf
            Alf 19 June 2012 19: 10
            +2
            It turns out interestingly, if the Russians, then "snitches", if the lumps, then immediately complain to mom to the committee of nulliparous mothers and this is absolutely normal. The old daghs sat quietly, like mice under a broom, and the young ones decided to show their toughness, well, I couldn't get it right.
      2. bachast
        bachast 19 June 2012 16: 55
        0
        In fact, there are 2 Caucasian senior men who tried to take off their berets from the Russian one.
        And this is not so.
        Here is the only truth from the above.
        30-40 soldiers fought (a little more).
        went on hunger strike demanding transfer from Aleisk to another part
        1. thatupac
          thatupac 19 June 2012 17: 32
          -4
          Some 20 Russians and 20 Caucasians fought on take-off. Quickly separated. Non-Russians did not essentially go on a hunger strike, but said that they were simply afraid to go to the dining room because the Russians were beating their type there. And this was all done so that 2 old-timers from the Caucasus were not imprisoned, as they smacked in school until a sentence was passed on bringing the Caucasian to suicide. They got it.
    3. prophetic
      prophetic 19 June 2012 18: 58
      0
      In Aleisk, it’s always fun in the high school, one of my comrades lives there. At each meeting, a new story, and we often meet. Well, you taught the Dagas, well done, then it’s not so bad.
      but stupidly not to take Caucasians into the army is not an option, somehow it’s not right. It turns out that we dismissed the problem and that's all
  24. Pit Bull59
    Pit Bull59 19 June 2012 14: 59
    0
    This is not right! While our guys are trampling their boots, friends from the Caucasus are fooling around and carrying their orders to our villages!
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 19 June 2012 15: 20
      -4
      Well, they brought it in the Army. Now it's time for the citizen to take.
      1. cc-20
        cc-20 19 June 2012 16: 31
        +1
        Churabes doesn’t grind, everything will change soon, but the fact that someone has early brains and someone has an early beard does not yet know which is better. Now the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is not a Tatar, but a Russian, and soon a card will come to your ethnic groups.
        1. thatupac
          thatupac 19 June 2012 17: 37
          -6
          Yeah, wait, wait. It's like "if we want, we will do it". How much time has passed and how much will it take until the Russians will be responsible for the words, even Wang did not know for sure.
          1. cc-20
            cc-20 19 June 2012 18: 05
            +2
            Now the formation of Russian power structures has begun, and this article is an example of this. In general, it is necessary to erase the Ingush village, and in the Ingush division, it will sabotage and why this is necessary. Ethnically, power structures must be homogeneous.
            1. thatupac
              thatupac 19 June 2012 18: 17
              -4
              And then send all the Caucasians to Pluto at their own expense laughing ...
              1. cc-20
                cc-20 19 June 2012 18: 24
                +1
                Why on Pluto, on fertilizer.
                1. thatupac
                  thatupac 19 June 2012 19: 19
                  -4
                  You? You do not love yourself.
                  1. cc-20
                    cc-20 19 June 2012 20: 18
                    +1
                    Dmitry, you Nashi provocateur, mowing down a Caucasian guy?
                    1. thatupac
                      thatupac 20 June 2012 07: 58
                      0
                      Are you a white-headed hamster o5 mowing a fool or something Russian nationalist, a follower of Oval?
  25. Roman 3671
    Roman 3671 19 June 2012 15: 28
    +3
    This is the appeal of the Russian soldiers of the Aleisk motorized rifle division.

    We ask you to help us, as we are illegally accused of beating servicemen from Dagestan, trying to hang on us the notorious “Russian” article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
    A commission came here to deal with the conflict, which consists entirely of non-Russians.
    It was like this, they began to replenish our part with immigrants from Dagestan, at first they behaved quietly, but then, when there were more of them, they began to establish their bestial orders.
    The first to be hit were Russian recruits, who were periodically beaten and burdened with tribute.
    We stood as filthy suckers watched as the owners of the mountains wet our countrymen.
    The following were hit by all the Russians in the unit, including the junior officers. No one from the leadership of the unit could solve this chaos. The officers closed their eyes in fear of being fired.
    Then we ourselves decided to protect ourselves from the arbitrariness of the aggressors.
    As a result, it turned out that these Caucasians made us accused, blamed all the Russians, arrived Caucasian officers built all the Russian officers, and at that time the battered Caucasians pulled and beat us one at a time, ten one.
    The prosecutor’s office threatened that another trick on our part, and we were all being transplanted, was recommended to endure to us. “Because you are Russians and your fate is to endure,” said one of the prosecutors. And the Caucasians generally threatened that their brothers who were coming here to help get to our mothers, sisters, girls and raped them.
    Help us, Russian people. We are not allowed to contact the supervisory authorities in writing, even to write to parents, if our letter of help reaches, tell all Russian people about what happened.
    And yet, tell everyone: that the Russians can stand up for themselves, that one should never watch or endure how foreigners scoff at the Russians. May we be an example for all our guys, standing in front of each other in front of the beast.
    1. cc-20
      cc-20 19 June 2012 16: 33
      +2
      For the formation of Russian identity, this scum is needed, and then, as usual, we will thank Swedish teachers well.
      1. Aleksey43
        Aleksey43 19 June 2012 18: 33
        +3
        ss-20, I completely agree. They are our teachers, although I am sick of this thought. But WE must be good students and more than thank our teachers
    2. bachast
      bachast 19 June 2012 16: 42
      +1
      This was a romance a couple of years ago and not quite so. Almost completely wrong. I say it responsibly. The truth is that the scouts did not return from the training ground at the right time, and the Caucasians did not expect this and raked it off (they decided to put themselves on this day) It is true that the mothers of the Caucasians came in large numbers, raised a howl. As a result, they scattered them among the troops.
      This is nonsense
      Officers closed their eyes
      ...
      We stood like filthy suckers

      Do not be like grandmothers on a bench
      1. thatupac
        thatupac 19 June 2012 17: 41
        -8
        Aleiskaya part - "black" part, was and is under the Caucasians and Buryats. Younger Caucasians got along for their own two - it was a test from senior Caucasians for the "professional suitability" of the replenishment. The test was successful. Then, in parts, they phoned the young people over the mobile communication and explained everything for them. And there not mothers came in large numbers, but a representative of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Dagestan. They called her so that she would throw up a woman's hysterics, and the version about Russian bullying of Caucasians would be more believable.
    3. thatupac
      thatupac 19 June 2012 17: 38
      -8
      This is a lie written by Russian nationalists under the guise of military men from Aleisk.
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay 20 June 2012 07: 53
      0
      Novel!
      Cheap provocation !!
  26. Roman Dmitriev
    Roman Dmitriev 19 June 2012 16: 01
    0
    Should serve all that this separation is. Only they should serve one at a time, and not en masse. Yes, and this will not destroy bullying. Russian chaos is often worse than the Caucasians. Just wash the floors, scrub the toilet, parade ground and the rest nobody wants to do such crap. There is an alternative service for this. You don’t want to run with a gun, go with a mop. As for their cohesion, it is far from home that they are heroes, and even a crowd is desirable.
  27. Hamul
    Hamul 19 June 2012 16: 15
    +2
    Quote: Novel 3671
    On July 8, Kasimova announced new details of what was happening: supposedly 50 Dagestan servicemen went on a hunger strike, demanding a transfer from Aleisk to another part. The Dagestan soldier Marat (he has been serving in Aleisk for eight months) told reporters who arrived at the scene that the Dagestanis are indeed on a hunger strike and are even ready to open their veins. At the same time, he stated that not 200, as Kasimova claimed, but 500 Russian soldiers attacked the Dagestani recruits. In total, about 2000 people serve in this unit, of which approximately 800 are officers.

    Dagi will open the veins ??? what are you talking about? Yes, the whole district will despise them - they will lose their families. This is all profanity!
    Quote: Novel 3671
    Other sources, in turn, say that the Dagestanis who arrived in the unit began to establish their orders in the collective from the threshold, for which they paid. Allegedly, the conflict began with the fact that three Dagestanis began to convince the Russian soldier to obey them, not the commanders. Having received a refusal, they began to beat him, after which the comrades arrived in time to help both the beaten and the beating.

    I willingly believe in this. In our training, there was also a moment when about 30 Dagestanis were to arrive. No one slept that night, including officers. They were quickly taken to schools and no one allowed them to pack together. All Russians were ready to make a similar brawl by the furthest feeble effort

    Quote: thatupac
    I found out about this case locally. This is a lie. It is the "other sources" that are more truthful. In fact, there were two Caucasian old servicemen trying to take off their ankle boots from one Russian.

    This has always been and will be, the strong offends the weak.

    Kent "special" retired 33 years old, is undergoing military training.
    On the parade ground are conscripts of paratroopers - he comes up with a crowbar and says - sweep the parade ground - one takes the crowbar and tries to revenge the parade ground. Two more are coming next - like that. seeing that no one understands anything, he runs after two more crowbars and gives them to conscripts - they cheerfully sweep the parade ground with crowbars. And Brooms are literally 10 steps !!!!!! asked what do conscripts think? and whether they think at all. And then letters fly to the committee of soldiers' mothers - we are spread rot. These conscript dibiloids know only their rights and there is no obligation. And besides they are afraid of a mosquito squeak - get together and arrange scuffle and that's it.

    Quote: Novel 3671
    We ask you to help us, since we are illegally accused of beating servicemen from Dagestan, trying to hang on us the notorious “Russian” article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. A commission came here to examine the conflict, which consists entirely of non-Russians. It was like this, our part was replenished by immigrants from Dagestan, at first they were quiet, but then, when there were more of them, they began to establish their bestial orders.

    Fuck a fly - guys - what are you talking about ?? Nobody canceled the presumption of innocence. And if there are informers and merchants - so arrange for them dark, stretch out on a vandam - there are few chtoli means? Or towels in the army were transferred? Silence and deny everything! You might think you do not know snitches.

    And the committee of soldiers' mothers should not be allowed at all. YES in they really helped in Chechnya, helped to rescue the guys, but do they fuck in ordinary parts. To listen as a son, a milk salmon dropper drove when he came out into the light from under her mother’s skirt? Or did you get a skid for your jamb? Or doesn’t wash the floors?
    This committee also came to us, one moron wrote about the hostilities, about the cesspool, "I am writing on the boot of a murdered comrade" .... Mothers came in large numbers but did not find nifig - because this was not. There was only one plus - they fed better, and more assholes. That is, there are more cons. In general, mothers don't have to do figs in the army - even if they are deadheads of sycophants, they make men (it might work)!
    1. CC-20a
      CC-20a 19 June 2012 22: 09
      0
      In general, there is an idea ... to "dissolve" the soldiers 'mothers, to "form" soldiers' dads instead.
      Mom, why not arrange order in the army and put pressure on their vision of issues as men should serve.
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 19 June 2012 23: 34
        -1
        Quote: CC-20a
        soldier's mothers to "dissolve", instead of them "form" soldier's daddy.


        and dad's eggs in whose hands ?? wink laughing
  28. Katani
    Katani 19 June 2012 16: 15
    0
    Ndaaa ... MARASM !!!
    So even though in the army the brains were set, and now ....
  29. the gray wolf
    the gray wolf 19 June 2012 16: 20
    +1
    when they don’t take according to their accessories, this is a mess, in the Russian army it means a mess and no one wants to solve it.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 20 June 2012 07: 55
      -1
      Can't decide!
      If this problem is not solved, then in the future it will come back to life!
  30. Hamul
    Hamul 19 June 2012 16: 34
    +1
    Quote: Roman Dmitriev
    Just wash the floors, scrub the toilet, parade ground and the rest nobody wants to do such crap. There is an alternative service for this.

    Roma, I do not agree. There must be order in the army. The army is accustomed to order. It turns out that someone will be crap and someone needs to clean up this srach? Let him clean himself, let him learn to respect both his work and the work of others. The same goes for respect. What if the war? all boom in the mud and wait for aunts? Boom to wait when the cooks arrive and cook? I never understood the changes in the Russian army. But in Belarus everything is hot left in their places.

    By the way, conscripts are now sleeping for two hours after lunch - pioneer camp RO "mashka" pancake.

    Quote: Roman Dmitriev
    As for their cohesion, it is far from home that they are heroes, and even a crowd is desirable.

    In 70%, but it happens on the back, believe me. Especially they liked to do so-called skinheads (which I can not stand ... earflaps ... Russian pancake)
  31. Roman Dmitriev
    Roman Dmitriev 19 June 2012 17: 02
    0
    Quote: Hamul
    In 70%, but it happens on the back, believe me. Especially they liked to do so-called skinheads (which I can not stand ... earflaps ... Russian pancake)

    About skins, I agree with you. Every family has its black sheep.
    Quote: Hamul
    By the way, conscripts are now sleeping for two hours after lunch - pioneer camp RO "mashka" pancake.

    The sanatorium in honor of me is happy. lol Sorry I served him.
    Quote: Hamul
    Roma, I do not agree. There must be order in the army. The army is accustomed to order. It turns out that someone will be crap and someone needs to clean up this srach? Let him clean himself, let him learn to respect both his work and the work of others. The same goes for respect. What if the war? all boom in the mud and wait for aunts? Boom to wait when the cooks arrive and cook?

    Maybe I'm in something wrong. But what you just described is already happening. Grandfathers shit, and youth plows. The only difference is that young people are beaten by how much in vain. And the alternative can be separated from the whole team (individual living conditions, remuneration, individual tasks).
  32. igorek408
    igorek408 19 June 2012 17: 07
    +2
    The Russian army can easily dispense with these boorish and wild peoples. Served 04-06 the problem of bullying primarily concerned officers and last but not least the soldiers of "cowards". For the Caucasians it was an honor to serve in the army, there they at least somehow studied Russian culture. They are not endowed with Russian ingenuity ... And the country does not need young people who do not know how to respect themselves and are afraid only of the strong. National strife is the greatest danger for all the peoples of Russia, we have one story - this must be remembered.
  33. black cat
    black cat 19 June 2012 17: 47
    +2
    Quote: tverskoi77
    The root of this problem is the lack of respect for these people for their homeland, and most likely they generally do not consider Russia as such. Therefore, they do not serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but spend time in military units and engage in crime.
    Farther and farther the Caucasus is from Russia, but perhaps this is for the better. If they do not want to serve, then why should everyone else protect them?


    I agree 100%.
    Never have they considered Russia (Russian regions) as their homeland and will continue to consider it to be. We are a cash cow for them.
    And why should we feed them ??? Let them blow into Turkey, the Turks will quickly set their brains on them. And then the medveputes set on their riot police, and they feed them and release them from the army.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 19 June 2012 17: 57
      -1
      Since the Russians themselves allow themselves to be milked locally, so they milk. And they will continue to milk, while people like you will only be able to chop the truth-mother on the Internet.
  34. malera
    malera 19 June 2012 18: 05
    0
    Quote: thatupac
    Since the Russians themselves allow themselves to be milked locally, so they milk. And they will continue to milk, while people like you will only be able to chop the truth-mother on the Internet.


    Well, until the number of sneaks of the current government decreases, it will be difficult even to cut the truth
    Latest news.
    The Ministry of Regional Development has proposed to allocate 1,7 trillion rubles to finance the state program for the development of the North Caucasus Federal District until 2025. According to Interfax, the head of the department Oleg Govorun said this during a meeting of the government commission for the development of the North Caucasus Federal District.
    The Minister explained that it is planned to allocate 442 billion rubles from the federal budget and 53 billion from the budgets of the subjects; extrabudgetary funding will amount to 1,232 trillion rubles. http://lenta.ru/news/2012/06/19/minregion/

    One word only. How long !?
  35. Hamul
    Hamul 19 June 2012 18: 05
    +1
    Quote: thatupac
    And they will continue to milk, while people like you will only be able to chop the truth-mother on the Internet.

    Come and live with us in the Southern Federal District. let's see how you sing))))) The burden and boom fought, only once did Russia get to Russia what was going on here ...
    In addition, do not throw words so))) everyone thinks in his own way and lives in his own way.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 19 June 2012 18: 18
      -1
      SFD is big. What city are you from? From Stavropol or what? Yes, there are Caucasians in bulk. As in KavMinVody with Pyatigorsk.
  36. malera
    malera 19 June 2012 18: 14
    0
    Quote: Hamul
    In addition, do not throw words so))) everyone thinks in his own way and lives in his own way.

    Everyone thinks and lives his own way only when he lives on his own earnings, and not parasitizes on others.
  37. General
    General 19 June 2012 18: 28
    0
    need to introduce a law, voluntary service, then the army will effectively fulfill the goals
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 19 June 2012 19: 20
      -1
      Well, Caucasians want to serve, but they are forbidden. So voluntary service will not be soon.
  38. Deniska999
    Deniska999 19 June 2012 18: 33
    0
    Let them serve, but with scatter throughout Russia, so as not to collect them in heaps.
  39. serge
    serge 19 June 2012 18: 34
    +4
    Thank God the army is now Russian. The line is for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and there, you look, it will reach other structures. And on whose side the force, he controls. Our little one takes it.
    1. tverskoi77
      tverskoi77 21 June 2012 12: 51
      0
      It is possible that a more serious idea is behind this decision.
      Strengthen the army not only with weapons but also with spirit.
      I really want to believe that in the near future, recruits will be checked not only for physical fitness but also for moral and social qualities. Drop out all sorts of rubbish. As a result, only the worthy will serve and the service will be truly honorable and prestigious.
  40. Bugor
    Bugor 19 June 2012 18: 50
    +1
    My best friend was drafted into the Marine Corps. Severodvinsk, in my opinion. It would seem cooler nowhere. Everyone was happy for him. There were 31 in the platoon !!! Ossetian. There were four Russians. Seryoga, as the flyman later told me, fought every day - the latrine did not want to be washed, the footcloths were washed, and so on. The other three bent down and did everything that Caucasians did not say.
    My earring served only 8 months (instead of two years). They advised for health reasons (5 months in the hospital). Now he is disabled 2 groups (the roof has moved out completely). The officers no one answered for this, let alone the hirelings.
    Do we need such an army?
    It was 1991 ...
  41. Hamul
    Hamul 19 June 2012 19: 03
    +2
    Quote: thatupac
    From Stavropol or what? Yes, there are Caucasians in bulk. As in KavMinVody with Pyatigorsk.

    Yes, Stavropol, the Stavropol Territory is alone surrounded by national republics, especially to consider that, from the moment when Pyatigorsk became the capital of the Southern Federal District - almost all Armenians have left the Cuming Group, only Greeks are holding on .. and for now ...
    The Czechs arrived with money from Chechnya (((on the powder keg we.

    And you probably know that they have a shaft of weapons, and in our country it is escalating a conflict - this is how we live))))) We fight, but we live))) We’ve recently celebrated PV day - it’s a lot to watch expensive)))) the streets on this day, as on August 2nd ..
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 19 June 2012 19: 21
      -1
      But on other days in bulk.
  42. Odinplys
    Odinplys 19 June 2012 19: 11
    +1
    It’s not right to serve OBLIGATORY ... everything ... hazing from the unit due to moral decay even before the call ... not the ability to withstand ... not cohesion ... basically the responsibility lies with the command of the specific unit ... with them and demand...
  43. Railways
    Railways 19 June 2012 19: 13
    0
    Quote: Hamul
    Yes, Stavropol, the Stavropol Territory is alone surrounded by national republics, especially to consider that, since Pyatigorsk became the capital of the Southern Federal District - almost all Armenians have left the Caving Group, only Greeks are holding .. and for now ... Czechs arrived with money from Chechnya ((( on a powder keg, we. And you probably know that they have a shaft of arms, and in our country it is forcing a conflict - this is how we live))))) We fight, but we live))) You’ve noticed the PV day recently - it's kind of expensive to watch)) )) There are few of them on the streets that day, as well as on August 2nd ..

    Oh countryman !!!!!! drinks Yes, a shaft of weapons, you can immediately see our man writes.
  44. Alekseev
    Alekseev 19 June 2012 20: 00
    0
    Each of its citizens should defend their state, of course, if he is a full-fledged citizen, and not a "dispossessed".
    The question is how? How can he, what he studied and how he was brought up. Someone can serve in an urgent unit, and someone should not be allowed close to the weapon, in general, in a military collective. Especially with "fellow countrymen". Their wild customs are their problems.
    it should not be forgotten that there are many Russian degenerates who are no better than foreigners.
    So, whoever deserves to serve, let him serve and receive worthy benefits in life.
    Those who are not worthy, let them work out alternatively, pay more taxes, do not have the advantages that normally served guys get.
    In my opinion, as a punishment for non-instability, if the matter has not gone too far, you can simply impose a substantial fine and dismiss ahead of schedule, without offsetting the service, as they are dismissed from work. let then in life prove that he is good.
  45. LENINGRADE
    LENINGRADE 19 June 2012 20: 10
    0
    they already do not work, do not serve, only budget "grandmothers" are eating up! It will get worse! So who kindles the international feud? I AM RUSSIAN, who does not want to feed the parasite, who also brings drugs to my house and rapes our children?
  46. bremest
    bremest 19 June 2012 20: 33
    +1
    Correct solution. You can’t take guys from the Caucasus to the service and teach military affairs. What for ?

    In addition, I would consider it correct to supplement the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation with a provision according to which the infliction of bodily harm, up to death, in the suppression of acts of "bullying" is an act of self-defense. In general, you need to allow the young soldier to defend his honor and dignity within the framework of the Law. I think that many scumbags would think 10 times to touch the young soldier or not.

    Second: Pay attention to one more fact .... Our guys are not able to withstand, first of all, the morally and physically so-called natives of the mountains ...... I think that the education system of our youth is to blame for this .... Our fault women, I can’t say otherwise, who kiss their son’s thick asses up to the age of 25 ..... We need to start educating men, sports, boxing, sambo, martial arts, shooting are the main disciplines ...... Lighting Peter 1 perform .......

    Further, in my neighborhood a guy lives 27 years old, and all this time is hiding from the army. As his mother says he is afraid of hazing ..... At the same time, this pseudo-man hung on his chest - a white ribbon. The conclusion is that he’s not afraid of crowing against the authorities, but he’s afraid of hazing ......

    I’m tired of enduring this disgrace and I agreed with the district police that this autumn we will send him to the army together .....
    1. Alf
      Alf 19 June 2012 20: 41
      0
      Well done, that's right!
  47. ivan7979
    ivan7979 19 June 2012 20: 52
    0
    hehe hehe (maliciously) of the 27-year-old fool around ... 18-year-olds will kick up ... But for neh.y hide!
  48. Titanium
    Titanium 19 June 2012 21: 29
    +1
    In general, all this is garbage, but I myself did not serve for health so it turned out that I was disabled since childhood, BUT, how is it that if Russians bully the Caucasians, then our grandfathers are 5 years old or more, and their duck is less, I would have G *** O Caucasian in general for such things I would have planted 10, plus to all this ensuring the life of the victim, our policy is so dumb chtoli, it is directed against the Russians,
    to go with a scarf and on it there is the inscription GLORY OF RUSSIA down the street in our city in extremism, and to go with the inscription Chechnya on a T-shirt, this is not extremism, I would for this T-shirt, snout to this reptile! Well, they lived so bad at Dudayev! He betrayed them! and still this is not taken into account, all the same, we supply the Caucasus with everything we can!
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 20 June 2012 08: 08
      0
      Sit down, Kalich, and don’t blather, otherwise you’ll get a heart attack, piss yourself off with a push, or you’ll get mad with a schizoid article. The disabled person decided to talk here for the Army and the service. You "served" yours with goodness GD, and now it's not your business, what's going on in the Army. Your business is to heal your sore, in order to last longer, and not to load us with your verbal po ... som. Go to work!
      1. Titanium
        Titanium 20 June 2012 18: 11
        0
        Hear, you yourself do not blather understood, the discussion is open, everyone can take part! or you nonsense nikher do not understand ????
  49. IGR
    IGR 19 June 2012 22: 05
    0
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    source http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/kornilovec/post160939903/

    so they didn’t come up with anything new, except for the information in the last paragraph
  50. Hairy Siberian
    Hairy Siberian 19 June 2012 23: 03
    +1
    Damn this pace, we will definitely share on patsakov and chatlan:

    WHO WHO SAYS, TOT ABOUT AND SPEAKS. .

    And then any ECILOPE will conquer us!