The General Staff responded to the question about the possibility of complete rejection of the call.

The head of the Main Organizational-Mobilization Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant-General Yevgeny Burdinsky answered questions from journalists of the departmental newspaper "A red star" about the upcoming spring draft in the ranks of the armed forces. One of the questions concerned the possibility of transferring the Russian army completely to a contract basis. Recall that this discussion has been conducted in various circles since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Earlier, the Ministry of Defense has already indicated its position, noting a mixed version of the recruitment of the Russian army.

According to Lieutenant-General Yevgeny Burdinsky, the refusal of conscription to serve in the ranks of the Armed Forces in the foreseeable future is not advisable. At the same time, the general explained that in recent years the number of conscripts in the Russian army has been gradually decreasing due to an increase in the number of signatories to the Ministry of Defense and other law enforcement agencies. According to Burdinsky, at the end of 2018, the ratio of the number of contract soldiers in the posts of soldiers, sergeants and ensigns to the number of draftees was 1,7 to 1.

Burdinsky:

Given the need for the accumulation of a military-trained mobilization human resource (WOMLR), as well as on the basis of the financial and economic capabilities of the state, neither in the immediate nor in the long term, a complete refusal to call up citizens for military service is not advisable.

At the same time, the Russian general responsible for manning the troops noted a tendency to reduce the number of so-called draft dodgers. According to him, since 2012, the indicator for persons evading military service has more than tripled. According to Yevgeny Burdinsky, the shelf life of Russian draftees has also increased. The increase was about 7 percent.

He also noted an increase in the percentage of draftees with higher and secondary special education. Today, every fifth in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has a university diploma, every third has a diploma of graduation from a technical school (college).

Comments

[Dmitry Kuzin]

I am against the abolition of the call! let there be a contract service and conscripts

[Separ DNR]

According to Lieutenant General Yevgeny Burdinsky, refusing to be drafted into the Armed Forces in the foreseeable future is not practical.

From these words, it was directly eased from the heart ...

"Acquisition on a contract basis" ... Read - COMMERCIAL.

If I collect my thoughts, then a little later, at least in part, I will describe how this most notorious "contract" influenced the defense capability of the DPR (yes, I think the LPR too).

[Finches]

The contract army is an undermining of the state’s defense capability! That is why this idea is so loved by liberals of all stripes!

[Dmitry Kuzin]

But how did officers serve in the Red Army and SA? urgent pulled? negative, answer those to the question!

[skinar]

ratio of the number of contract soldiers in the positions of soldiers, sergeants and warrant officers to the number of draftees

It was written in black and white that the question was the complete replacement of precisely these posts. The officers are in any case professionals whose service is work.

[Dmitry Kuzin]

That's right, what's wrong with the "non-commissioned officer" staff becoming professional? the technique has become more complicated, and the conscription structure is more complicated, and in the Red Army, sergeants conscripts were the norm before Khrushchev

[Marconi41]

Quote: Finches

The contract army is an undermining of the state’s defense capability!

Yeah, conscripts here will protect everything in the world. For a year of service, the pros will become right. One plus, replenish the reserve of 1 category.

[cniza]

Their task is a mobile reserve, and if it is not created, then there will be no one to protect the country.

[Confuciy]

But do not tell us how the countries live without a draft army?

[nerd.su]

Such countries as the USA, Great Britain, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Nigeria, Honduras and Nicaragua live without a draft army ... So what? Or even so: live differently and cho?
There is a call in one form or another in Russia, Austria, Switzerland, China, and both Korea. Again, and cho?

[Confuciy]

Yes, the fact of the matter is that the United States and Great Britain live perfectly without a draft army, and strangely enough, no one destroyed them, did not interrupt their army, but rather the opposite

[nerd.su]

Quote: Konfuciy

Yes, the fact of the matter is that the USA and Great Britain live perfectly without a draft army

Not great. They have problems with manning the army. And many functions have been left to the military companies, which is good against Iraq. But in the fight against a strong adversary, when contract payments are not guaranteed, this approach will not work.

Quote: Konfuciy

nobody destroyed them, killed their army, but rather the opposite

Well, they have not directly attacked Russia yet.

[Confuciy]

Oh yes, we will defeat everyone, yeah, of course

[widower]

Quote: Finches

The contract army is an undermining of the state’s defense capability!

Eugene, do you think that in one year you can make a real soldier out of your mother’s son? with that complicated technique

[Confuciy]

The contract army is a professional army, better trained and more efficient. And the conscript army is poorly trained, in fact, taking in numbers and "cannon fodder." This is demonstrated by history from the Soviet era to the present day.

[georggy]

Give an example of at least one modern Contract Army, meeting the criteria you specified ?!

[Confuciy]

And why are you not comfortable with the US Army?

[georggy]

I'm not happy. Low professionalism. There is nothing to learn from them.
One window dressing.

[Confuciy]

Low professionalism?)))) Funny)))) it turns out two wars against Iraq, in which the enemy army was destroyed with isolated losses, and many other operations - this is low professionalism?)))) Then it’s scary to think of what to call the state of our draft army and its level)))))))

[georggy]

The price of their success in Iraq is known to everyone except you.

[Confuciy]

Well, tell me, do you have apparently special data?

[georggy]

You smart start learning materiel. ONCE AGAIN Ugh on YOU.

[Confuciy]

Clearly, idle talk, to say the least. It seems to spit - that's all you learned. Yes, for you, military service was clearly not in vain))))) Actually, such individuals only confirm the position that the army does not always benefit people.
P.S. No arguments, no data - drain counted)

[nerd.su]

Quote: Konfuciy

The contract army is a professional army, better trained and more combat-ready.

And very fast ending!

Quote: Konfuciy

And the conscript army is poorly trained, in fact, taking in numbers and "cannon fodder." This is demonstrated by history from the Soviet era to the present day.

Interestingly, if we compare the Soviet and American presence in Afghanistan, then what will be the effectiveness. Especially in dollars / days.

[georggy]

What do you pour me the truths!
Question: Bring at least one existing ideal contract army.
And do not weave words.

[nerd.su]

Quote: george

Question: Bring at least one existing ideal contract army.
And do not weave words.

I don’t know such people and don’t understand where the conclusion about the ideal contract army in the context of my commentary comes from. Decide to whom you addressed the question?
And yes, the ideal is a theoretical concept. Call me a real perfect gas?

[Confuciy]

Efficiency in saved human lives, not money. Although this is an absent-minded approach - to spit on people, the main thing is money.
As for the quick exhaustion - if we act like we like it, on the forehead, on the break, not sparing people - then of course it will quickly end. And if everything is done correctly, then it will not end quickly. Here is an example for you: Germans never perished on machine guns in the forehead regardless of losses. Instead, they worked as artillery, actively used assault groups and maneuvers. What did our command do? That's right, it sent people to slaughter in the forehead for machine guns, filling up with their number. In this situation, any army quickly runs out

[georggy]

What kind of water? About nothing.

[Confuciy]

And you do not know how to read?

[georggy]

You yourself read your nonsense, "military theorist". Do not litter or ridicule the "confucius" ether.

[Confuciy]

Well, if there are no brains, then of course you are not able to understand. But this is your problem

[georggy]

I look cool confusion completely. Strongly odorous. Brains already stink from the strain.

[Confuciy]

Hmm, that’s what I understand, a person shines with intelligence, and he has enough arguments

[nerd.su]

Quote: Konfuciy

What did our command do? That's right, it sent people to slaughter in the forehead for machine guns, filling up with their number.

I see, you know about the war exclusively from Mikhalkov’s films. Well then the USSR won the war then? In a united Europe, industrial capacities for so many bullets were not enough?

[Confuciy]

They did not have enough people.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Konfuciy

Efficiency in saved human lives, not money. Although this is an absent-minded approach - spit on people, the main thing is money

When we compare our losses in Afghanistan with the losses of the coalition, we must remember that the USA and allies, including Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, actively helped the Mujahideen against the USSR. But Russia did not provide assistance against the coalition, on the contrary, at the initial stage it helped the capture of Afghanistan by the Americans. If it were otherwise, the losses of the Americans and their allies would be comparable, if not much higher. Although, I must say, the order of losses is already comparable.

[Confuciy]

Will you provide data on the losses of the coalition in Afghanistan? And if, if only, then ..... We have what we have. But what about the two operations against Iraq? Especially Desert Storm. For that, the Iraqi army was very well equipped and armed, relative to the weapons of the United States. But the United States unwound them without any problems with single losses. Therefore, the losses in Afghanistan would not have been the same. And here, that the Chechen companies, that Afghanistan, that forcing Georgia to peace - the losses are always comparable to the enemy, although by default he is worse armed, equipped and outnumbered. And this, you know, does not suggest very good thoughts

[faiver]

another transfusion from empty to empty ...

[Errr]

Given the need for the accumulation of a military-trained mobilization human resource (WOMLR), as well as on the basis of the financial and economic capabilities of the state, neither in the immediate nor in the long term, a complete refusal to call up citizens for military service is not advisable.

I can not disagree with Comrade Lieutenant General. It will even be useful for young people to walk in formation for a year. And it will not hurt us all either - there will be less infantile managers.

[Confuciy]

Sound like a system ?! And will you also defeat opponents by walking in formation? What is outdated thinking? This year, a person will do more sickness in a civilian

[Errr]

The irony flew past. It happens. This is me about walking in formation. Do you also intend to study military affairs in a real way in civilian life? Will you study a tank in nature in your apartment, and then practice tank biathlon somewhere in the suburbs? Or maybe you think that tank science can be overcome by playing "Tanchiki" on the computer? Tell me, old man, what are you going to do more in this sense in civilian life for this unfortunate only year?
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PS I personally served two years and, in general, I do not regret it. In addition to the military specialty, the army gave me an understanding of life and the ability to interact with my own kind. And in the days of the youth of my parents, in the 50s of the last century, judging by their own stories, the guys and girls who didn’t serve in the army didn’t look too much. Such things ...

[Confuciy]

The issue of propaganda, and nothing more. There are military departments - if you wish, you can also train people there, consolidating them in practical exercises (we also discuss their format for ourselves: from training in shooting ranges, to field exits for a month or two). I do not see any problem in this. People get experience of interacting with their own kind in society: in schools, sports sections, in higher educational institutions. And in the army there is a degradation: a person learns simply to obey implicitly. We build for a meal, we build with a meal, we walk, etc. As a result, the independence and initiative that is so needed in normal civilian life is being killed there in the bud.

[aszzz888]

There are not so many young people of draft age in Russia to refuse conscription. we are not Vedb of China, not India where the people are - NOT MEASURED!

[rotmistr60]

Today, and in the near future, of course, an appeal is needed. Military service in the conscription army, among other things, creates a reserve for the mobilization reserve. The vaunted contract service in the same United States today faces shortfall problems, no matter how hard the recruiters and advertisements try.

[cniza]

That's right, that’s the main point.

[Geosun]

A mobilization reserve is necessary, but it must be achieved differently. The call is inherently coercive, and from under the stick no one will do anything good. It is necessary to organize in high school, something like fees, where you try to interest in the opportunity to join the military equipment and specifics. And return the NVP to schools.

[Thrifty]

Interestingly, will contractors fall from the sky on their own? After all, most of them served like everyone else - by call! So, cancel the call at least a short-sighted step!

[Lamatinets]

All must be driven through the service, of course except for health. Those who did not serve should not be taken to public service

[cniza]

Such laws already exist.

[Lamatinets]

Can you tell me the legal number? By the way, D. A. Medvedev did not serve and the Prime Minister, Rogozin also did not serve.

[your1970]

Quote: cniza

Such laws already exist.

Quote: Lamatinets

Can you tell me the legal number? By the way, D. A. Medvedev did not serve and the Prime Minister, Rogozin also did not serve.

-easy!!!!!!
192-ФЗ from 26.07.2017
http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001201707260033?index=0&rangeSize=1

[Lamatinets]

I will study it carefully and let you know. Your opinion. Thank you.

[sgapich]

Federal Law N 79-FZ "On the State Civil Service of the Russian Federation" dated July 27.07.2004, 11.12.2018 (as amended on December 16, 11), Article 01.01.2019, Clause XNUMX. With changes and additions that entered into force on XNUMX.

[Lamatinets]

Yes, I understand, I'm not going to argue with anyone at all, until I study. Thanks for the link.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Lamatinets

Those who did not serve should not be taken to public service

expel Shoigu? . He, too, did not do military service. Yes, and Vladimir Vladimirovich also "mowed" at the institutes from urgent service.
Seriously, the number of those who did not serve "in boots" in the modern civil service is off the charts.

[edeligor]

I am surprised. At times the most important in the GOMU GSH gave a sober assessment of the acquisition of the Armed Forces and, oh God, remembered the wartime, read mobilization !!! The big general is a little unaware that his works and the labors of his team of like-minded people are ruining the harmonious system that was created back in the USSR by manning troops with a mobilization reserve. A huge question to the respected Lieutenant General, is this done on your own understanding or on the orders of a higher command? If, Suddenly, he reads these lines, a huge wish - stop the rout of the military commissariats, Comrade General Lieutenant!

[Lamatinets]

We have optimization trending !!!

[edeligor]

Quote: Lamatinets

We have optimization trending !!!

Let them optimize themselves, from their work they no longer feel sick, but are drawn to cause a psychiatric fly.

[Lamatinets]

Do not be surprised if it is optimized !!!

[M. Michelson]

. After all, he seems to have to understand that it is impossible to prepare a serious specialist even in 2 years! And then they serve for a year!
So who are they cooking? Cannon fodder. And our demographic situation is not the same as in the same World War II, with the "meat" of the problem (even recently there was a hysteria on this topic). What are they preparing for Russia then?
The only right position can only be this: the call should be abolished as soon as possible, now there are no opportunities for this, but work is ongoing.
PS. First, the army should not be contractual, but personnel (i.e. they should serve in it not for money, but for the idea). Secondly, the less conscription, the more Vsevobuch should be (training in specialties in civilian life). Both that, and another will demand radical reorganization of the military mechanism. That's what we need to talk about.

[Per se.]

Quote: M. Michelson

should serve in it not for money, but for the idea

Here, I personally agree with this. As for the regular army ... Isn't the officer corps, the backbone of the army and the navy, a regular one? We are not the United States, that they print dollars, to refuse the draft is at least costly and not rational, remembering the need to have trained reservists. Yes, it is difficult to prepare a good specialist in one year, but who, according to your logic, prevents you from starting training military specialties before serving? Finally, if we talk about the restructuring of the military mechanism, then it is possible to consider military service not only directly in the armed forces, but also on the labor front, in the army fund. For example, compulsory military service is set at 3 years. If you want and can, serve these three years in the armed forces, receiving bonuses and benefits for this after demobilization. In three years, the conscript will be prepared in no way worse than many contract soldiers, having a higher morale, serving for the idea. If someone is not fit for three-year service, he could serve one compulsory year, being prepared for the reserve, working out the remaining two years for the army fund on the labor front. Those who are not fit at all would have worked for all three years in the army fund, after the monthly courses of a "young soldier" at the place of residence, with the taking of the oath. During the war, there are no unfit, either the front or the rear, work for the defense. According to this scheme, it is necessary to build a conscription system, where the constitutional duty is an obligation for everyone, including women. As for the contract soldiers, they should be where they cannot be replaced by conscripts.

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: M. Michelson

the call should be dropped as soon as possible

You offer us the same rake that we stepped on in 1941. The Red Army was also ideological and professional, and the call was introduced only in 1936. The lack of a trained reserve was one of the reasons for the failures at the beginning of the war. And now in the west of NATO, in the east of the PLA and without a trained reserve, we can’t fight back in any way.

[Confuciy]

Well, do not tell! What do conscripts teach us? Twice from a machine gun to shoot and let’s walk and stand on the nightstand? By this, are you going to defeat a trained opponent?

[private person]

The only right position can only be this: the call should be abolished as soon as possible, now there are no opportunities for this, but work is ongoing.


What are you talking about? You can also have gay marriage, geyparady and other geyropeyskie values ​​to your liking. Are you inadvertently mistaken for the site?

[edeligor]

Quote: M. Michelson

Only right position

The most correct position is to do your own thing and not measure your arshin things in which you do not understand. Cannon fodder? Yes you, my friend, have flown to the wrong site. Military means war, the killing of people by people, no matter how scary it sounds. Personnel army, military specialties in civilian life? Thus, the whole country will be cannon fodder!

[Azazelo]

Some kind of game. And then who will fight then if something happens?

[Livonetc]

Quote: M. Michelson

. After all, he seems to have to understand that it is impossible to prepare a serious specialist even in 2 years! And then they serve for a year!
So who are they cooking? Cannon fodder. And our demographic situation is not the same as in the same World War II, with the "meat" of the problem (even recently there was a hysteria on this topic). What are they preparing for Russia then?
The only right position can only be this: the call should be abolished as soon as possible, now there are no opportunities for this, but work is ongoing.
PS. First, the army should not be contractual, but personnel (i.e. they should serve in it not for money, but for the idea). Secondly, the less conscription, the more Vsevobuch should be (training in specialties in civilian life). Both that, and another will demand radical reorganization of the military mechanism. That's what we need to talk about.

A serious specialist will be someone who, having completed military service on conscription, will feel his calling to defend his homeland in a specific military specialty.
This man will connect his destiny with the army personnel service, fixing his choice, duties and rights by concluding a contract.

[sinik]

You can not cancel! Even for this short service life, you can turn a kid into a real man ...

[KVU-NSVD]

According to Eugene Burdinsky, the fitness indicators of Russian conscripts have also increased. Growth was around 7 percent.

This is really great news. If only growth did not appear due to a decrease in requirements for categories of draftees. And the call is right

[Krasnodar]

The draft army can only become quality by increasing the service life to 2,5 years in fighting - 1,5 years of preparation + year of break-in. After which constant annual fees of up to 35 years are required,
Categories of conscription for the troops of technical support and logistics - their service life can be lowered to one and a half years - half a year professional courses + year break-in + once a year and a half fees up to 40 years.
Motivation for conscription in combat units - benefits for admission to universities on the budget, soft loans, free travel in public transport.
In auxiliary ones - partial payment for studies, passing courses adapted to the citizen by profession received in the army. Preferential rates on loans.
After drawing up such a program - to calculate the cost for the budget and decide which is more profitable - a professional army or urgent.
Marine fleet should be professional in any case.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

It is impractical to refuse military service. Not all types of troops can be replaced by contract soldiers.

[Dzafdet]

Quote: Dmitry Kuzin

But how did officers serve in the Red Army and SA? urgent pulled? negative, answer those to the question!

They went to serve for 25 years, but after leaving, they received a good pension. Agree that retiring at 48 years old is much more profitable than at 65 years old.

[Е2 - Е4]

I believe that the call should be mandatory, but you can OFFICIALLY pay off for 25 thousand dollars.

[bone1]

The transition to a fully contracted death army for the country.

[dedvladimir]

Under the Constitution, citizens of RUSSIA have rights and obligations. If a citizen does not fulfill the obligations stipulated by law, then, accordingly, the state is not obliged to grant him all rights.
For example, in the article “REQUIREMENTS FOR CANDIDATES FOR AUTHORITY”, on the website www.proza.ru under the authorship of “Grandfather Vladimir,” people who have not passed are not allowed to be admitted to state bodies:
6). SERVICE IN THE ARMY. Protecting his "skin" in peacetime, in "difficult" time, he will sacrifice SOCIETY, not his beloved

[Egor-dis]

In principle, abandoning the call makes sense. The burden on the economy is reduced. No need to contain an extensive structure for conscripts.
But, at the same time, it is necessary to transfer the school to military rails. Revive GO, TRP, NVP class from the sixth. And combine physical education lessons with drill and army all-around. So that, for the graduating class, graduates had the full range of knowledge and skills necessary for military service. And then - contract service, the development of weapons and military equipment. And for those who do not serve - military training once a year, two or three, depending on age.

Anyway. That is it.

[Metamisolatria]

Quote: Konfuciy

Well, do not tell! What do conscripts teach us? Twice from a machine gun to shoot and let’s walk and stand on the nightstand? By this, are you going to defeat a trained opponent?

..Not without it..
Therefore, 1,5-2 years, in order to at least feel the priorities of the collective over ego-liberal values. To know one’s place in the team, the feeling of shoulder, army friendship, overestimate life’s difficulties, even if the disconnected Internet is far from the end of the world (as for most pre-conscripts and not serving) .. to understand that a fist with one protruding finger is not capable of a blow. .

[NordUral]

A rash next venture. The call is necessary in combination with the contract service.