FPS Russia plans to acquire the Swedish UAV Skeldar V-200

The ITAR-TASS agency reported that the Federal Border Service (FPS) of the FSB of Russia intends to acquire Swedish helicopter-type unmanned aerial vehicles Saab Skeldar V-200, equipped with American gyro-stabilized optical-electronic platforms. This was reported to ARMS-TASS correspondent at the international exhibition Eurosatory 2012 in Paris.

“The Skeldar helicopter-type UAV can be used not only to guard the border, but also be used to ensure safety during the Winter Olympic Games in Sochi in 2014. It is possible that the Skeldar UAV mock-up will be demonstrated at the Interpolitech-2012 international exhibition Moscow in October of this year. "


We add that the helicopter type UAVs of the Skeldar series are being developed by Saab AB based on the design of the APID 55 helicopter UAV by the Swedish company CybAero from the 2004 of the year. Flight tests of the largest Saab Skeldar V-200 UAV (take-off weight 200 kg, payload weight up to 40 kg, flight duration up to 5 hours) are conducted from the year 2008. Until now, there was no information about any orders for Skeldar series UAVs, so it is possible that the Federal Border Service of Russia will become the launch customer.

By "American gyro-stabilized optical-electronic platforms", it is probably meant the electron-optical system Ultraforce 275 of the Swedish company PolyTech, now a branch of the American company FLIR Systems.

Comments

[Kars]

The Swedes can, but the main thing is not only ready-made UAVs but also technologies.

[Neighbor]

It should be - it means It must be !!!
Do not worry so much - there they will buy 5 pieces of strength.
But all the technologies are in full view.
This does not even mean that we do not have them. After all - you always need to know - and what is not ours! Suddenly - there is something - which is better. What can be adopted for yourself. Or vice versa - there is complete ...... - we have better. Clarity and knowledge are more important than money.
That's the way to do it. Everything is correct.
Quote Vadivak: Again begins .... Would buy immediately the developer, Saab AB, what to suffer? - and what for we need him - enough of his clever men !!!
If all he knows is invested in this drone. Buy it - and who will fly? Is he a developer?
And so - both technology and working machines !!! - budget savings are evident

[Professor]

But all the technologies are in full view.

Do not confuse technology with design. There you can disassemble BMW as much as you want, but try to do something like that.

[Neighbor]

Quote: professor

try to do something like that.

Make Similar - not a problem, including for our car industry. But the price will be corresponding to the analogue - 3.500.000r. - Will you buy it later? Will they buy it abroad? Of course not!
To promote it in the market - you will need hundreds of millions more. And then there is no guarantee - that its production - will be cost-effective.
The Chinese took a different path therefore - they simply copy the look, and the quality is full ....... !!! Only at the expense of price are people being driven to Kit.avto. - where immediately after purchase - you need to change the half-car if you want to drive normally. After a year, it begins to rust.
Do we need it? We have our own ..... AvtoVAZ is enough.
Therefore, I repeat once again - to make such a machine - NOT A PROBLEM !!! The problem is its price! And in that - who will buy it so copied! - if the Price is = the price of the Original.!
For this niche in the market has long been occupied by a reputable brand and company.
Here you will have a dozen or two Billion - and then think about it. Is it worth it to risk them, investing them in such an enterprise doubtful in success. By the way - we have Russian-made analogues. There is a Russian company producing VERY DEAR hand-made cars. Brand Name - Quote: Marussia sports cars cost from 4,6 million rubles - a sports car - Maroussia for 5-6.000.000r - do not want to purchase? And the civilian version of the Tiger for 3.000.000r? Do you want an armored Combat in an exclusive version for 40.000.000 rubles?

[Neighbor]

So - DEMAND creates an offer, and not vice versa !!! You can make and offer at least a spaceship - only who will buy it!
(By the way - there are projects of cars capable of FLYING !!! at a speed of 500 km / h, there are no wheels - rotating aviation engines in miniature - so HERE - the price of one so far is $ 500.000.000).
Moreover, for the payback of the entire project of the machine, the entire assembly line, designers, etc., you need to sell not 1 car, but at least HUNDREDs, if not thousands.
Fig of you Professor - Professor! - logic and thinking - you do not have.

[wall]

For fun, see the doc film about the BMW or Ferrari factory. And you will learn what it means for decades to perfect technology and (not least) approach to work.

[Professor]

Well, of course, not a problem, I just do not want to produce cars for the people in quality with BMW.
The problem and what else. Technologies This problem is called, starting from the technology of materials, coatings, manufacturing accuracy, and ending with the management and quality control system.
The same situation with the UAV, disassemble to the bolt is not a problem. The problem is to manufacture without technology.

But even if you follow Your logic, then the copied UAVs will cost much more expensive and not so cheap Western. And where is the logic?

By the way, how will you copy electronics?
The Turks had once pierced with an UAV when they decided that they could do anything.

PS
Copy a SONY video camera? But what will copy the American electron-optical system? This is not Maroussia.

[Neighbor]

Quote: professor

I just don’t want to produce cars for the people with BMW quality

It's just that the people have no such $. You know a lot of people - who can afford such a machine? - for 4.000.000 rub. Do you know how much her service costs - 1 year + + more !!!
Regarding drones, electronics - I’ll tell you how to chop it off - remember the case when in Iran our Soviet air defense station planted the latest Amer drone Super-duper - without a scratch on its airfield.
THAT SAYS IT ALL!!!
Russia has enough technology. Besides. We create rockets - the best in the world. The world's best air defense and missile defense systems. The world's best fighters, submarines, tanks, helicopters, strategic missile carriers. The best SCRC in the world. We fly into space! We create Devices - having no analogues even close abroad. What can I talk about !!! - about this fucking drone? - about - that Russia - IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT?
The reason for the purchase of these drones is the tenth issue. NADO - means NECESSARY !!!
All - The discussion is over.

[wall]

I’ll tell you how to chop it off - remember the case - when our Soviet air defense station in Iran planted the latest Amer drone Super-duper Super-duper - without a scratch on its airfield.

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I remember that not a single evidence was provided. And it won’t be (secrecy, understandable business). Everything was exaggerated mainly by journalists.

[Professor]

I love storytellers like you are a young man.
In order.

It's just that the people have no such $. You know a lot of people - who can afford such a machine?

In Germany, a BMW car is quite affordable.

Regarding drones, electronics - I’ll tell you how to chop it off - remember the case when in Iran our Soviet air defense station planted the latest Amer drone Super-duper - without a scratch on its airfield.
THAT SAYS IT ALL!!!

Not an air defense station, but an electronic reconnaissance station, and did not land, but he himself fell and not "without a single scratch", but he was aligned, repainted, and the lower part was covered with a tarpaulin ...
By the way, why aren't they planting anymore? Americans defiantly continue to fly over Iran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqupk12FGag&feature=related

Russia has enough technology. Besides. We create rockets - the best in the world.

You still remember about ballet as in that song. Russia has bright heads, but technology has lagged behind at 20. No wonder the ex-president hardened everything about modernization. Thermal imagers on MBT, alas, put the French

All - The discussion is over.

Not a discussion, but your nonsense.

Countries tend to share technology. There are no longer self-sufficient countries. This is how the world works, but you probably don’t understand this.

[CC-20a]

Quote: professor

In Germany, a BMW car is quite affordable.

Yeah, sooooooooooo available, that the Germans began to buy our cars. VAZ models are sold in Germany.

And about the availability of BMW, this is a myth, otherwise current on BMW and drove. Although in general, a car is more affordable than a wallet in Germany, but no more than that, all accessibility lies with buying on credit at low interest rates. Nalom, as in Russia in Germany, no one buys, unless the current is their local oligarchs, and the common people of Germany ... they have no drain of money.

In addition, according to some friends living in Germany, getting a job without connections is practically impossible there, so even the Germans have this problem everywhere.

[Professor]

And you drive along the autobahn and see how many BMWs there are, and how many VAZs.

[CC-20a]

BMW in Germany is less than VAZs in Russia 100 times so! not in quantity but in% of the total market.
In general, there are not many German cars in Germany, more foreign ones.
In Russia, on the contrary, there are more domestic than foreign ones.

It turns out that the Germans do not trust the domestic auto industry. If I were an idol and a troll, like some I could develop the theme that the German auto industry drank up dough and I’m not going to go down to the level of opponents. Just telling realities, not myths like some.


Yes, and more, personal let’s say this ... for the kind of money that foreign cars cost, foreigners should make their cars better, their cars cost 3-10 times more, but the quality is not 3 times better, God forbid, 30% ... which means that the price should be 1,3 times more expensive for foreign cars and not less than 3-10 times.
I really will not say anything about SUVs SUVs are worth it, but the lion's share of the cost of these cars is a little stupid, it's a stupid brand, a nameplate on the hood ...

[Professor]

In general, there are not many German cars in Germany, more foreign ones.

Figures in the studio !!!

It turns out that the Germans do not trust the domestic auto industry.

Just telling realities, not myths like some.

Figures in the studio !!!

[CC-20a]

Quote: professor

Figures in the studio !!!

Look for yourself, I watched in the programs and so I skipped info, you can find it on the Internet now .... one continuous advertisement, the entire search engine was spammed by this advertisement of German cars. I’m even surprised ... I know one folk wisdom, if a navigator and a lot of advertisements means gov-no! ... I won’t say that German cars are gov-no, but again there is reason to think.

Quote: professor

I also laugh at many of your and not your troll statements and conclusions)

Quote: professor

Figures in the studio !!!

The car market of the Russian Federation by car group segments is there, but by the car market of Germany, if there is one, it drowned somewhere in the sea of ​​advertising ... if you have time, look ... I gave a tip.

[Professor]

Look for yourself, I watched in the programs and so infa slipped, you can find now on the Internet FIG ....

This is called the OBS source of information (One Grandma Said)

[CC-20a]

Her, then your favorite source.
I already announced the source) it’s easy to verify ... the sectoral division of the German car market into manufacturers ... if you haven’t found a rebuttal, I’m right to prove the campaign and you don’t even have to prove it)

[Professor]

I'm right and I don’t even have to prove

No, you are wrong and you cannot confirm your fantasies with ANYTHING. Continue to compose or show at least some data.

I already announced the source) it is easy to verify ...

A little link, you are our dreamer. At least one reference, and we "easily check" this nonsense.

[CC-20a]

With the same success and on exactly the same grounds, I can demand a link from you to refute my words ... there will be no links, then I'm right and you are that very grandmother on the bench.

[Professor]

Have you played your childhood? Have you entered a stupor? Can you confirm your fantasies?
With the same success, I can say that, for example, aliens are fighting in Chechnya and require you to provide links refuting this.

Well, at least pick some digits, or else a continuous chatter ...

[CC-20a]

What did you talk about from a panic of chtoli?
Well, try to declare, I won’t be surprised) you are not saying such nonsense)

Pick the numbers yourself, I have already given a tip, alas and oh my work is not the same as yours, I am not a Jew or a troll, and I don’t get salary for sitting on the Internet and promoting the interests of the "customer", so look for it yourself your job!

[Midshipman]

Recently I talked with a friend of a car mechanic - a specialist in German gearboxes, and so he told and showed (there was a Volksharan ram on the lift) that the new German bearings made in Germany were out of order by 30 thousand km. New folks arrive after 30 thousand with broken bearings, and he does not put new ones on them, but B / U, because they go at least some way. Volkswagen car owners were even going to go to Germany to stage a demonstration there at Volkswagen plants. All this was really confirmed on my car, when after replacing the gearbox input shaft bearing (in Madagascar Germany) it again crumbled after 5 thousand km. So do not la la, here about BMW, it’s better to tell about the cost of repair, when to replace the hub bearing for 2tr you have to change the entire drive for 30tr and ride your BMW after that yourself.

[Professor]

drive your BMW after that yourself

Yes BMW sucks, urgently dump them. There is no better Zaporozhets.

Car enthusiasts know that there is no “comments” section on the official AvtoVAZ website.

[Midshipman]

Yes it turns out so, at least Volkswagens for sure. One Pont from them remained and wiring for money. I brought you specific facts, and here you spread a banter.

[755962]

Quote: professor

This is how the world works

Our world is not perfect ... Alas ... Question: Is it possible to try to achieve perfection in such an imperfect world?

[Isr]

It’s not easy to copy, it takes effort, time, money and all this in order to repeat what has already been done. I remember the story of copying the Intel 8080/86 processor. while overpowered, intel 80386 did, i.e. 2 generations behind with disgusting quality. There are a lot of examples, I specifically asked our compatriots working in hi-tech, it seems that without copying Western technologies, there would have been nothing in the USSR.

[Midshipman]

They copied it foolishly, then there were their own technologies which, with proper development, would not have yielded to anything, but alas the high bosses

[Neighbor]

Quote: professor

Not a discussion, but your nonsense

I’ve answered you in a personal letter !!! Where do you go and why.
On ... I saw the opinion of a German fat burgher. Go drink beer - with sausages.
I have a lot of relatives living in Germany. Greedy and mean all to .......! And cars for 2-3 lemons - only millionaires buy in Germany. Therefore it is not necessary here ........! You have at least s / n and minimum standards. 500 Euro. - but also the prices are not frail. 1 cc water - 5 Euro - what! And all of you are greedy there. Save slices of bread. You brew tea bags 5 times.
I therefore - in my life I will not go to live in Germany. Not ... you have to do there. In Russia, it’s better - there are fewer professors of Jewish nationality living in Germany and speaking Russian about American technology and the Iranian military on a Russian site with a RUSSIAN person !!

[Professor]

Young man
How is it about without a scratch on the "Super Duper newest Amer drone?"
Viewed on photos and videos? Or do you need glasses?

[Neighbor]

Quote: Neighbor

all the professors of Jewish nationality who live in Germany and speak Russian about American technology and the Iranian military on a Russian site with a Russian person.

I think the man has already sent you to the address. Find yourself - another interlocutor - preferably also a Jew - living in Germany and .................................... ..cm. higher ........................!

[Professor]

And here is not a single scratch:

Oh. The wing was glued with adhesive tape, and so "not a single scratch."

But such a color he was in Kandahar until his Iranians repainted:

[Kars]

Probably a scratch from a fall from 2000 m? Or from an uncontrolled landing at what speed?

[Neighbor]

Quote: Kars

Probably a scratch from a fall from 2000 m? Or from an uncontrolled landing at what speed?

If you follow the logic of the Professor, then yes.
This Professor is completely out of his mind. And the brain is trying to endure me here the second day. Toko ... him!
He would have to throw him from 2.000m and see what remains of him.
Quote Professor in the studio: he was drafted, repainted. He himself fell. Ku-ku?
Very bad professor. It turns out that Amer drones themselves fall. Independently. Even air defense and electronic warfare are not needed. Nda. And they fall - so - that then they are - at least sell them again. Like new. Bad thing - with the professor. This is what excessively well-fed life in Germany leads to. People do not get fooled - do not try to go there for permanent residence - otherwise you will be the same as this provocateur and schemer.

[Kars]

Quote: Neighbor

This is what excessively well-fed life in Germany leads to.

Why is it Germany? The German flag, by some oddity, reflects the country of Israel, probably as compensation. I probably saw the professor for about 20 minutes with the Israeli flag.

[Isr]

"Regarding drones, electronics - I'll tell you how I'll cut it off - remember the case - when in Iran our Soviet air defense station planted the newest Amer drone Super-duper - without a single scratch on its airfield.
THIS IS EVERYTHING SAID !!! "- I am a little familiar with communication protocols, but even such weak knowledge is enough to understand how far this fantasy is from reality. It's nice to look at a man proud of his great high-tech country, but you don't have to believe everything, so more Iranian tales. "1001 Nights" compared to that is just documentary evidence certified by a lawyer.

[Vadivak]

It starts again .... Would buy immediately the developer, Saab AB, why suffer?

[Igorboss16]

it’s more important for us to study this device and make it better by head, some technologies will definitely be used in our future UAVs

[cord]

Oh, just don’t need another song about "let's study the technology and thenaa ..."! Already with "Iveks" and "Mistrals" and izrailskiye drones studied, yeah. So much so that they re-glued the nameplate and put it into service.

[CC-20a]

Drones have studied. Orders were not given to Israel. The fact that when you bought and you stink runoff turned out to be taken to see what and how did your own. Recently, a private Russian company won the tender - tests at the instant ... current domestic manufacturers participated. The winner was given 4 million or billion to finalize and create a UAV for the final tests, after which it will be decided to take it into service or not, if they accept, then the order will not be comic. These are army large ... but small ones for special units have long been made by our designers and our Defense Ministry and the FSB are already purchasing them.

So bummer to you and your owners.

[cord]

Oleksandr is it you again?)) Your style of narration is "gop-style", the stubborn content of comments and complexes about your masters, whom you look into your mouths and try to stick it on to the rest, you are given out with your head, so you better re-login, comrade bezelotnik ")) And the tender as standard" until 2020?))))

[CC-20a]

Wow, how all of you were jolted by the troll-lara pind-osca
And all you need to tell the truth and that's it ... your whole trolls essence immediately spills out. About drones have something to write? no? then you ab wall or go sob into the vest of your curator pind-wasp.

Hmm ... many probably offend you here, well deservedly) the apple gladly explained to you personally 1 on 1 his name and footprint size on your backside. But alas, you are a troll and a current can reduce the more so because you are far from Russia, so to speak, at a safe distance, scribble stories.
In general, my sincere respect for you and sending to the address of the "library".

[cord]

In the course of the matter, Edr has a staff shortage if they recruit such "Olexanders" as sycophants, who are hysterical and salivate, accusing the State Department agents that they cannot find their sneakers even in the morning. =)) about "far from Russia" - especially for paranoids, stupid people and just supporters of puten, a flag display was introduced depending on the commentator's IP. Therefore, about the country of my residence, I have bad news for you)) How about the fact that your IQ level, unfortunately, does not exceed the size of your shoes, which you successfully confirm again and again, bringing a lot of joy to children))

[CC-20a]

Up to up to ... just the same flag = real location, yeah! You keep me current for du-cancer; instead, you show yourself as a priest. Well, if you believe it, then here some users around the world are moving at a speed exceeding the speed of light ... under the same nickname, either from England or from Germany or from the United States or from Israel, then they write from Russia and all this during couple of hours teleport chtol invented for your employees?

And so, you Pind-Os troll, and it's true) It’s better that way otherwise you are just **** juvenile without ****

By the way, give a link to this Alexander, I will give him the advantages)) I already respect him in absentia)

[cord]

Oh-ho, be treated, dear, be treated.)) As they say, if they do not follow you, this does not mean that they are not Well, do not forget to dig a comfrey, it’s not an hour, the Zionists, the State Department’s assailants, masons and aliens will attack and leave them without their last pants and stability

[CC-20a]

OK, accepted. If you claim that you are not a Pind-Os troll, but a young shkolot stupid, then 100% means you are a Pind-Os troll.

ATP for recognition) And I'm glad that you are being hired by trolls so flawed and stupid.

[Igorboss16]

so far in drones we have little experience compared to the Mistrals and Iveco, I don’t understand why they bought them

[AK-74-1]

A very correct thought. It is better to throw out simple pieces of paper and get a whole production than to buy a few, albeit very complex, but "toys".

[serjio777]

AK-74-1
Very correct thought. It is better to throw out simple pieces of paper and get the whole production

Yes, if it were so easy they graze their technology, they just thought ours, there is money, we’ll want and buy it, but no. It is necessary to invest in your research institutes that we have little brains in Russia or what?

[Ataturk]

Another question scares me.
We noticed that planes, helicopters. boats. ships. even cars have DRONS. I have a question ........

1. Do they want to replace this person with a robot since the robot is more efficient?
2. Or replace a person because it is beneficial? Payback with survivability will be high.
3. Worried about people's lives?
4. They know that the star will dream, people will either be destroyed or will not be able to fight. and a drone is a drone. it will not hurt, you can replace it with a new one and so on ...

shorter like this

[Korvin]

Well, it’s still difficult to call it a robot, it’s rather a remotely controlled device. And the main reason is probably one. Burning in a tank or falling in an amole is one thing and controlling a drone-tank or plane while drinking Coke in a comfortable chair is completely different. Knowing that I personally don’t threaten anything a person becomes calmer relaxed and able to more soberly assess the situation without nerves.

[serjio777]

We noticed that planes, helicopters. boats. ships. even cars have DRONS.

The most dangerous thing is that if the robot appears in its pure form, you can give an order that a person refuses to do.

[serjio777]

Vadivak
It starts again .... Would buy immediately the developer, Saab AB, why suffer?

So damn Opel already tried, amers blocked oxygen. Where to find that valve so that their breath would go into their goiter.

[denkastro]

They won’t sell Saab AB, they’ll lay down bones but they won’t sell them. Remember, probably they slowed down Magna. But you can somehow get the technology. Our work is hard at new technologies, but it’s always good to know how they work. Yes, and work on They’ll start the border right away and not later.

[cord]

Austrians, Finns, Swedes, Italians, Israelis ... Who else overtook Russia in technological development while it pumped oil and gas?

Russian security forces will begin purchasing Horizon Air S-100 reconnaissance unmanned helicopters in 2013. On Monday, May 14, a source in the military-industrial complex told Interfax about this. The delivery set for the Horizon Air S-100 will include two unmanned helicopters and a ground (or naval) command post. The UAV is produced by the Rostov company "Horizon" together with the Austrian Schiebel and is a licensed version of the Camcopter S-100 unmanned helicopter.


TSAMTO, May 25. Flight International for the first time published an image of the Sercher-2 unmanned aerial vehicle manufactured for the Russian Armed Forces by the Malat division of Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI).

Austria, Israel, etc., as well as a favorite Russian tactic to re-label

type Saab Skeldar V-200, equipped with American gyro-stabilized optoelectronic platforms.

Well, here, apparently, the main factor of a possible purchase. It’s just that the Americans will not sell even the technologists for making their popcrone to Russia, but to come “from the outside” and see that the eternally decaying West was able to buy something that would be useful for a country with weapons “unparalleled in the world” - a nice thing. a possible wave of suicides by forum generals)))

[Tirpitz]

I put you +. You are right, while here divided and privatized nat. wealth, the world has stepped forward in development.

[itr]

the Soviet Union, with its technical development compared to Russia, collapsed due to falling oil prices !!!. So you are in vain

[AK-74-1]

Stop telling the truth. The USSR collapsed due to the corrupt leadership and the productive activities of foreign intelligence services. An indication of a change in oil prices is a manipulation distracting from the true culprits.

[itr]

ECONOMY sir !!!!!!!!!!

[Gocha kurashvili]

The USSR collapsed thanks to a corrupt female, one or more bitches. And we all know who it was. And here is the oil ??? They carried the war on their shoulders and multiplied !!! And the oil crisis was snot compared to the war ...

[Korvin]

Oh no, my friend, do not compare the war with a peaceful life. Firstly, nothing can rally the people as a threat of total annihilation and secondly, by the time of the collapse there was not a single guy in the leadership who could make everyone work from a janitor to a star-bearing caviar lover like this one fan of french jackets and a pipe could do in due time.

[CC-20a]

There are no facts that the USSR fell apart because of its system and its flaw.
There are docs and facts that the USSR economy was falling apart.
There are no facts and evidence that the fall in oil prices led to the collapse
There is a current myth about the connection between oil prices and the economy of the USSR, for example, the same myth about the Russian Federation.
There is not one economist who analyzes in detail the economic system of the USSR in its vulnerability from outside.

[Igorboss16]

here, of course, oil prices also affected the fact that 80% of the factories worked for the defense industry and after the restructuring and reforms there were no orders for the plants, the money depreciated and everything arrived, if the economy had been developed to a greater extent, then oil prices would not have brought our country to the collapse, although the country's leadership was so unprepared and some even

[dmnatbor]

After the institute in 1989, he worked at the Research Institute of Electronic Industry.
Our group was engaged in the development of sabotage chips and software. In the 90s, research institutes ceased to exist; the group fell apart.
All equipment that is sold to potential opponents is equipped with such chips.

[Igorboss16]

and difficult to detect if not secret?

[Korvin]

Yeah, sabotage chips. At one o'clock, they unscrew the Main Locknut with a small key))) In the courtyard of the 21st century, by the way, now it’s enough to simply launch the worm and you don’t have the latest child weapons and a lot of scrap, but this also has the property of being discovered and the main trick bought from someone’s weapon is just that its design is thoroughly known not only to you, and therefore countermeasures and weaknesses are also known not only to you.

[alexng]

Chip saboteurs are the Achilles' heel for any child prodigy.

Preparing for take-off Phantom. Reports to the tower:
- First, I'm the twelfth, ready for takeoff.
- I understand, I’m recording, I am taking off.
- The first, I'm the twelfth, took off safely.
- Got it, I'm recording.
- The first, I am the twelfth, gained a given height.
- Got it, I'm recording.
- The first, I'm the twelfth, MIG-31 flies towards.
- Got it, cross out.

[nbw]

> Our group was engaged in the development of saboteur chips

Those who do / do such things are silent in a rag. And you, sir, troll ineptly. Although patriotic.

[AK-74-1]

The news is not good. We must do it ourselves. And if you buy, then only for study.

[Timonf]

Quote: itr

the Soviet Union, with its technical development compared to Russia, collapsed due to falling oil prices !!!

Nonsense! The collapse of the USSR was facilitated by many factors, the main one being the Rotten Party Top.

[Ataturk]

Quote: Timonf

Nonsense! The collapse of the USSR was facilitated by many factors, the main one being the Rotten Party Top.

and he is right. Before the collapse of the USSR, the head of the CIA flew to the countries of oil exporters. Started with Saudi Arabia. Agreed. Prices soared, months later, shelves in the USSR were empty.

Plus, and Gorbachev tried. The top sold out pen-do-it-yourself!

[nbw]

+ a lot. The country, of course, was pushed by our overseas "friends" and "well-wishers", how could it be without it. But the main reasons were the nonviability of the owls. economy and the very "rotten top", in fact - a caste stratification of Soviet society. Stores for the "elite", etc. Power departed from the people (still, it was 70 years old) and was sold with giblets to the State Department. And we are reaping the fruits ...

[Senzey]

UAV technique necessary and useful. While there are none, well, we will purchase.

[Committee]

Oh, again ... Directly some kind of NEP! "Here we will overgrow a little with fat and immediately start doing everything" Who will give it to overgrow with fat? All will be deflated. And we have projects for a long time, no one was going to implement them and is not going to. Nobody needs a "high-tech" Russia. It's easier to put government buyers on a rollback and that's it!

[Cadet787]

If this is done to purchase technology, then this is normal, and if not, then this is the result of a new arms orders policy.

[Timonf]

Quote: Cadet787

it is the result of a new arms procurement policy.

In a word, Betrayal!

[Gakkoga]

We have our own similar systems, it’s better to buy and upgrade them with elements of Western-made equipment.

[cord]

We do not have our own similar systems. Everything is either Israeli or Austrian with a re-affixed nameplate. The domestic maximum is the Zara drone for border guards with completely ridiculous characteristics, like 2-3 hours of flight and a radius of 25 km. Despite the fact that American drones, such as the Predator, hang in the air for 20 to 40 hours and have a flight range of more than 700 km.

[serjio777]

Gakkoga
We have our own similar systems, it’s better to buy and upgrade them with elements of Western-made equipment.

Unfortunately, we do not have technologies, plus a bunch of Soviet ones we lost in perestroika, we have IDEAS and, accordingly, brains that constantly lure. But this must be invested in advance, and we want to dump cabbage on a silver platter. Science cities have taken a pancake, almost all research institutes barely breathe.

[cord]

It turns out that the money from the sale of oil and gas is not capable of miraculously creating a modern infrastructure, providing modern technologies and raising the standard of living! Well, you must! However, the main thing is stability, isn't it, sweat ?! This is probably why the smelly ideologue of this fetid swamp of stability lives in a different world, drives on the roads without traffic jams, does not face the dominance of guest workers, does not receive a bottle of champagne in the box, fragments of shells from an exploded warehouse will not reach him, his house will not burn the time of the next forest fire, and he himself receives vigorous reports from his sycophants who are building "Potemkin villages". A recent, but very revealing example, an excerpt from the meeting of his moronic sidekick clown with an iPhone and a protege in the Kamchatka Territory. small but very informative:

DMITRY MEDVEDEV: How much does the teacher get now?

V. ILYUKHIN: Today, the salary of a teacher is 41 thousand on average.

DMITRY MEDVEDEV: What is the average salary now?

V. Ilyukhin: The average salary is 39 thousand now.

DMITRY MEDVEDEV: That is, it is slightly more than average. Actually, this is the indicator that we planned to reach.

http://kremlin.ru/news/14831


And at the same time, in the country endlessly rising from its knees, research institutes continue to go bankrupt. This is how, for example, the Research Institute of Artificial Minerals looks like, which is, I quote, "the leading organization in Russia for growing monocrystals by the hydrothermal method"

http://saoirse-2010.livejournal.com/26489.html#cutid1

As you can see, the world of stability is slightly different from the real one.

[saturn.mmm]

Integration with the Swedes - I'm just for it. It is possible in other directions.

[Drugar]

Well, first of all, put aside the hysterics, gentlemen, "you can't buy bourgeois", FPS of Russia plans to purchase Swedish Skeldar V-200 UAV that is, they can still just steal money, don’t worry.
Secondly, a predictable result. Imagine you are given a billion and they say: -Buy good drone! This is not the place for chatter, since you are responsible for spending money. What is the choice? Swell a billion in POSSIBLE WHAT_ GET from Nashensky in the state of sketches or buy ready-made equipment that FLIES and performs the tasks right now!
So patriotism is patriotism, and nobody wants to sit.

[Ataturk]

I know Swedes by hearsay. They sound a lot. but for the money they’ll do anything.

[Petergut]

For the money, everything will gobut they’ll definitely bookmark the software.

[StrateG]

Well, firstly, we can study the technology of creating drones, as well as create an approximate template of its minimum characteristics, if possible make drones better than foreign counterparts. As far as I know, our drone technology is still lame.

Secondly - they will fill the need for these very drones, while ours will be preparing.

Thirdly, we are only moving into a new stage of military development. UAVs for Russia - a novelty yet.

[Oscar1]

since 2003, I no longer have the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, but there is the FSB FS (border service of the FSB of the Russian Federation)

[antiaircrafter]

Yes, yes ...

[Stealth]

Many say that we are developing, creating new models of weapons and military equipment, etc. It’s just not clear where these scientists are doing what? Why does the RF Ministry of Defense then buy Mistrals, Centaurs, etc.? Where and by whom is the modern element base developed and manufactured? For some reason, some questions, but no answers. But at the same time, we can afford to calmly destroy scientific schools during the reorganization of military universities.

[PabloMsk]

All this endless discussion about the need or not the need to acquire foreign technology is already tired ...

Remember the endless story with a VAZ.
They have been pulling him by the ears and dragging him for 30 years .... other automobile brands have long built their factories in Russia in cooperation with Russian companies and produce excellent cars!
And these in Togliatti give birth to all Lada .....
So I have a complete association with our technique - the same "buckets with nuts", like VAZs, only in a military profile.

[Korvin]

You see what the trouble is with our developers. Westerners already have everything, although sometimes it’s shitty, but in order to do something, you first need to give money and then they will do it tomorrow, and when they ask: -Let me, but we already gave you a lot of money, !!! the top of the enterprise, playing with the keys to Mercia and Lexus, says pointing to the goners of the workers: -Oh, you know they eat so much ...

[serjio777]

PabloMsk
Remember the endless story with a VAZ.
They have been pulling him by the ears and dragging him for 30 years .... other automobile brands have long built their factories in Russia in cooperation with Russian companies and produce excellent cars!

I really didn’t think that I would intercede for the VAZ, but it was junk, of course, but ours, and whatever happened, we can do it (everything is better than walking) and all these brands are stupidly screwdriver assemblies, they will block the faucet and we will even repair them we can’t.

[Pablomc]

Quote: serjio777

I really didn’t think that I would intercede for the VAZ, but it was junk, of course, but ours, and whatever happened, we can do it (everything is better than walking) and all these brands are stupidly screwdriver assemblies, they will block the faucet and we will even repair them we can’t.

Funny :)
And who is this, excuse me, the tap will spin? :)
Automakers in Russia go one after another without stopping.
And the assembly is no longer stupidly screwdriver (by the way, even China started from this), but normally localized - a whole segment of Russian companies has already formed that supply their high-quality components to Russian automobile plants.

Once again, the path that the Russian auto industry took 20 years ago is only now starting to go through the defense :)
It will hurt ....

[Timonf]

Quote: PabloMsk

So I have a complete association with our technique - the same "buckets with nuts", like VAZs, only in a military profile.

Our military equipment has always been the best and there is no need to compare it with civilian products.

[an-sar]

Buy-need and do better! By hook or by crook, to keep pace with the latest armaments of the competing states, to study in detail what universities could do. field transfer technologies to manufacturers !!!

[cord]

You, I hope, are aware that your words in the current botox stability are just utopia?

[Roman 3671]

Maybe a little off topic, but we also have our own UAVs: Complex of observation of the battlefield, reconnaissance, target designation and jamming with RPV "Yulia-E" ("Research Institute Kulon")
At present, NII Kulon OJSC is developing a new unmanned aircraft complex to perform round-the-clock reconnaissance missions in a wide range of weather conditions. The export version of the complex is called the “Stroy-PD” battlefield surveillance, reconnaissance, target designation and jamming complex.
The creation of the "Stroy-PD" complex with the "Yulia-E" RPV (see "Aist"), in fact, is an increase in the capabilities of the complex with the "Pchela-1" RPV by including a new aircraft in the complex and the use of new reconnaissance means with improved characteristics and new features.
The complex consists of remotely piloted aircraft (UAVs) "Julia-E" and ground-based control and maintenance equipment placed on KamAZ vehicles.
A UAV performs a flight for 12 hours and in real time transmits information from payload sensors to a ground control point (NPU) located in a radius of up to 250 km. To increase the communication range of the UAV - NPU up to 400 km, the Julia-E-Retr UAV repeater is being developed. The use of a repeater as a part of the complex will make it possible to provide a DPA-observer-NPU communication in the absence of direct radio visibility between them.
The development of the complex is carried out with extensive use of systems engineering technologies developed at the enterprise of the Research Institute “Kulon” in the process of creating complexes with UAVs and reconnaissance systems for manned aircraft, in particular, a complex with UAVs “Bee-1” and the base reconnaissance complex BKR-3 .
The main basic technologies include:
- integration of the payload with various observation sensors,
- architecture of building avionics avionics,
- construction of automated workstations (AWS) of the ground control point, including special software,
- construction of a combined radio-technical control system for UAVs, including equipment for the command-information radio line for transmitting narrow-band (command, telemetric, navigation) and broadband (specific) information,
- the construction of controls for various types of UAV preparations for use and monitoring the state of UAV systems in flight,
- control algorithms for the UAV (UAV group) and its equipment at all stages of flight,
- a comprehensive system for determining the coordinates of observed objects with an accuracy of 40 m,
- algorithms for processing information received from the UAV on ground-based workstations
On-board payload sensors provide surveillance (in a wide band) and detailed surveillance. In the surveillance observation mode at the NPU workstation, two images are compared in parallel: topographic using an electronic terrain map (reproduced synchronously with the movement of the UAV) and the current video frame of a large capture area on the ground. In this case, the frame is precisely linked to several key points of the reference cartographic image. After that, the absolute topographic coordinates of all targets detected in the frame are determined. In the detailed observation mode, providing maximum detail, a high-quality image of targets opened during the overview search mode is formed. Surveillance reconnaissance sensors placed on board the Yulia-E UAV are represented by the Rainbow-E wide-range two-spectral (TV / IR) line-by-line equipment and / or RSA-M402K3 synthesized aperture side-scan radar. For detailed observation, a gyro-stabilized optoelectronic system (GOES-630) is used as part of combined TV, IR cameras and a laser range finder.
In its basic configuration, the complex includes a ground control point (NPU), ground information processing point (NPO), UAV "Julia-E", a transport vehicle (TM), a technological machine (MT). NPU is designed to control the flight of the UAV and its target equipment, receive, display and register information from the UAV and provide information exchange with external consumers. The NGO is designed to receive from the NPU and decrypt data from optoelectronic and radar reconnaissance equipment, as well as to process data recorded in the on-board recorder delivered to the NGO after landing the UAV. Apart from solving integrated air reconnaissance missions, real-time transmission of reconnaissance information to NPUs, the Julia-E UAV also provides for relaying control signals and broadband information between UAVs and NPUs.
ТМ is intended for transportation of at least 2 UAVs and expendable means, for ensuring launches, evacuation of UAVs from the landing site. MT is intended for pre-training, preparation for re-use, routine maintenance, take-off and landing control.
The main technical characteristics of the UAV "Julia-E"
Range of flight altitudes above sea level - 100 - 6000 m
Flight speed - 130 - 250 km / h
Take-off weight of UAV - up to 550 kg
The mass of the target equipment is up to 100 kg
UAV control method:
- autonomous UAV flight according to the on-board computer program and coordinates from the satellite navigation system;
- software-corrected flight with trajectory correction according to commands from NPU
Takeoff - by plane
Landing - by plane
Due to the fact that the proposed complex “Stroy-PD” with the “Julia-E” UAV is the development of the complex with the “Bee-1” UAV in the area of ​​capacity building, potential consumers have the opportunity to solve the problems of reconnaissance, target designation and fire correction on the basis of one complex means of destruction, both in tactical and operational tactical depths using various aircraft.
The Stroy-PD complex with the Julia-E UAV can also be widely used for national economic purposes: agricultural and environmental monitoring, pipeline control, and emergency situations

[Pripyatchanin]

Here, as always, we prefer import.

Sadly

[maksim]

our "brains" have flowed abroad, now it has become fashionable to drag everything from abroad, it is forgivable for chewing gum and consumer goods but not for the high technologies that we ourselves created in the old days, thanks to Mikhail Gorbachev for bringing the country to such a shame. tanks and submarines in exchange for our oil and gas ???

[Pripyatchanin]

maksim I hope for the best. The story with Iveco (they didn’t seem to have bought it, I apologize for ignorance) gives rise to good thoughts (in the end, we preferred ours)

[cord]

The Russian Ministry of Defense has signed a contract with the Italian company Iveco for the supply of 60 LMV M65 Lynx armored vehicles (designated "Lynx" in the Russian armed forces). This, as reported by "Interfax", said the first deputy defense minister of Russia Alexander Sukhorukov.

The Russian Armed Forces will receive 2012 Lynx armored vehicles of joint Russian-Italian production during 57, ITAR-TASS reports. The assembly of these machines is carried out by a joint venture between Oboronservis and the Italian company Iveco in Voronezh. Currently, the localization of Ryssey production is ten percent, but by 2014 it will reach 50 percent.

Starting in 2014, the production of promising Russian Tiger armored vehicles will be discontinued. Instead, the Italian armored cars IVECO LVM-M65, which in Russia received the name "Lynx", will be delivered to the troops.

“Even if we upgrade the Tiger to the 5th protection class, as we need, it will not budge because it will be very heavy and there will not be enough engine and chassis power. In addition, the Military Industrial Company (MIC), which produces Tiger, has been asking for three years for this work. Why will we wait so long if we can already begin equipping the military units with Lynx, ”a senior Defense Ministry official working in the arms and military equipment procurement system told the Izvestia newspaper. According to him, those “Tigers” that have passed state acceptance and are now armed with units of the Ministry of Defense have the 3rd defense class (penetration from an assault rifle from 10 meters), versus the 5th at Iveco.

It is obvious that the military department of our country continues the line of criticism of domestic models of equipment in order to purchase foreign equipment. Let us recall the story of the T-90, BTR-90, criticism of domestic drones, the purchase of French Mistrals, Israeli drones, German armor, and Italian Iveco - these are just a few examples of the Ministry of Defense's policy regarding the acquisition of weapons.

And the "cherry" on the cake: "Iveko" with a re-glued "Lynx" nameplate at the Victory Parade

[CC-20a]

I have already answered the Pin-troll trollar, you are still so wedged that it was funny, and again you are bending your lies.

CC-20a Today, 14:28 PM 0
Drones have studied. Orders were not given to Israel. The fact that when you bought and you stink runoff turned out to be taken to see what and how did your own. Recently, a private Russian company won the tender - tests at the instant ... current domestic manufacturers participated. The winner was given 4 million or billion to finalize and create a UAV for the final tests, after which it will be decided to take it into service or not, if they accept, then the order will not be comic. These are army large ... but small ones for special units have long been made by our designers and our Defense Ministry and the FSB are already purchasing them.

So bummer to you and your owners.

Goebbelt's work is a troll ... the more often it’s not the truth to repeat, the more is it true? ...
On other topics, one can argue as well. One thing is certain and not disputable, you work for the enemies of the Russian Federation.

[cord]

As the saying goes, you can repeat the word sugar at least a hundred times and it won't get sweeter in your mouth, and here, you can say as much as you like, which is funny to you and I was overwhelmed, but this will not change your fierce buttheert and hurt semblance of pride that makes you vomit shidevralny comments in the spirit of "the fool himself" About the study of drones and the giving of orders to Israel - and they also gave the task of the Italians to make "Iveks", the Germans - to make armor
http://lenta.ru/news/2011/03/04/rheinmetall/
and hospitals
http://lenta.ru/news/2012/02/03/hospital/
and Icelanders - to make underwater robots
http://lenta.ru/news/2012/02/02/gavia/

And only such stubborn patients continue to scream and bang their little hands for the glory of botox stability, even when they are openly poked into the vital products of this stability More precisely, its ideologists so keep digging a comfrey, a forum hero and don’t forget to pile a foil hat from the mental impact of the State Department

[CC-20a]

Hmm ... I have not seen such stupid trolls for a long time ...

Generally I wrote above 2 times about the UAV ... what did you answer? a huge set of incoherent words that are in no way related to the UAV theme.
You are completely stupid

[Pablomc]

Quote: maksim

our "brains" have flowed abroad, now it has become fashionable to drag everything from abroad, it is forgivable for chewing gum and consumer goods but not for the high technologies that we ourselves created in the old days, thanks to Mikhail Gorbachev for bringing the country to such a shame. tanks and submarines in exchange for our oil and gas ???

Well, first of all, the "brains" were definitely not yours ...
Unlike you, these "brains" do have brains :)

And secondly, why Vamtanki and submarines, if you and your moghs do not need anyone for nothing .....
And you yourself have learned to sell oil quietly ....
Live for yourself, but rejoice that you are regularly paid for it in currency.

[Sergey Yeroyan]

Live damn !!!

[Pablomc]

Well .... here the military auto industry has entered the normal road of cooperation and cooperation ....
For 20 years, the civilian auto industry has been writhing from this and nothing - the leading automakers of good cars came to us, and not the buckets with nuts :)

We have no time to invent "bicycles" - we need to produce military vehicles in cooperation with the world's leading manufacturers of these.