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Details of the air combat on the Indo-Pakistan border - from JF-17 to Su-30

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In the media, there are details of air combat in the area of ​​the Indo-Pakistan border. We are talking about yesterday's air force, as a result of which the Pakistan Air Force shot down two planes and one helicopter of the Indian Air Force, and the Indian Air Force shot down one aircraft of the Pakistani air force. According to Asian media, a total of more than three dozen aircraft converged near the border: 8 from India (two links, including MiG-21, Dassault Mirage 2000 and Su-30) and 24 from Pakistan (including F-16, JF- 17 and Dassault Mirage-III). At the same time, the majority did not participate in direct air combat.


Details of the air combat on the Indo-Pakistan border - from JF-17 to Su-30


The information that MiG-21 Indian Air Force was shot down by a JF-17 Thunder pilot (a plane made in China) - in the Chinese nomenclature Chengdu FC-1 Xiaolong. In total, Pakistani Air Force has more than fifty such fighters, including 4 JF-17 Block 2. A Pakistani pilot used one of the air-to-air missiles against the MiG-21 of the Indian Air Force. According to some reports, we can talk about the Chinese short-range missile PL-5C. As is known, the pilot of the shot down Indian Air Force plane was captured. And today, Pakistan’s Prime Minister has decided to release an Indian soldier. This process will take place tomorrow - March 1.

This air battle contains many questions. One of them is as follows: why did the commander of the Indian unit, including Su-30 and Mirage-2000, was the pilot exactly the MiG-21? And why did he find himself in the “thick of battle” on a far from the most modern aircraft? Experts say, to put it mildly, confusing logistics in the Indian Air Force.

But the situation is even more confusing if you pay attention to publications in Indian newspapers. It stated that the pilot of the MiG-21 "began the pursuit of the fighter F-16violated the Indian air borders. " At the time of "pursuit", the MiG-21 received a Chinese rocket, and the F-16 of the Pakistani Air Forces - a missile from the Su-30 of the Indian Air Force. It should be noted here that Islamabad has not yet recognized the loss of its aircraft.

From all this stories I frankly want only one thing: so that it ends as soon as possible, and the parties realize the danger of cultivating a conflict between nuclear powers. It seems that the Pakistani Prime Minister was the first to realize that colossal negative, on the way to which two neighboring states were walking these days.
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  1. Kaw
    Kaw 28 February 2019 17: 55
    +2
    Tape ru writes that Pakistanis used AIM-120 AMRAAM
    https://lenta.ru/news/2019/02/28/avia/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
    1. Kaw
      Kaw 28 February 2019 17: 57
      +1
      And the Indian MiG-21 launched the F-16 missile on the F-73.
      MiG-21 can arm themselves with such missiles?
      1. Separ
        Separ 28 February 2019 18: 27
        +4
        On the MiG-21SMT it seems like they were suspended
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 28 February 2019 20: 21
          +2
          There was information about a deep modernization of the 21st, the "Spear" radar and some missiles to it. But that was sometime in the late 90s. Perhaps the Indians have worked on a certain amount.
      2. Borisovich
        Borisovich 28 February 2019 18: 47
        +5
        Quote: Kaw
        And the Indian MiG-21 launched the F-16 missile on the F-73.

        From the news:
        MiG-21 received a Chinese missile, and F-16 Pakistani Air Force - missile from the Su-30 Indian Air Force.
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 28 February 2019 19: 33
          +3
          Quote: Borisovich

          From the news:
          MiG-21 received a Chinese missile, and F-16 Pakistani Air Force - missile from the Su-30 Indian Air Force.


          Judging by the link brought by the user "Demagogue", it turns out that all the same the MiG-21 shot down the F-16

          Google translator:
          NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force on Thursday said there was enough evidence to conclusively say that a Pakistani F-16 fighter that entered Indian airspace on Wednesday morning was shot down by a MiG-21.
          The Air Force unveiled parts of the AIM-120 advanced air-to-air missile (AIMRAM) missiles, which were spotted near Rajouri J&K following an air collision between the two air forces.
          Speaking at a press conference, Air Vice Marshal Kapoor said that Pakistan could only use the F-16 for an air invasion as its other fighters are not capable of carrying this particular missile. Pakistan said the F-16 was not part of the fighter group used during the invasion. "
          1. Vodrak
            Vodrak 28 February 2019 22: 58
            0
            So was the invasion?
      3. Volga073
        Volga073 28 February 2019 19: 09
        -1
        You didn’t read it that way.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 28 February 2019 19: 19
        +6
        Quote: Kaw
        And the Indian MiG-21 launched the F-16 missile on the F-73.
        MiG-21 can arm themselves with such missiles?

        The first flight of the MiG-21-93 took place in the 1994 year. The first MiG-21-93 prototype, finalized in Nizhny Novgorod, took off for the first time on May 25, 1995 of the year, piloted by a test pilot named after A.I. Mikoyan V. Gorbunov. The second prototype, which received the designation MiG-21 bis UPG (MiG-21 Bison) and ordered by India made its first flight on October 3, 1998, piloted by test pilot O.V. Antonovich from the airfield of the Sokol plant in Nizhny Novgorod. This plane is also called "Bison" in India.

        By the spring of 2000, several MiGs were converted, on which they completed over two hundred flights, worked out and confirmed the declared characteristics of the airborne radar in all modes. In particular, RVV-AE and P-73 missiles were launched, as well as firing from a cannon at aerial targets; optical and target designation modes have been worked out. NAR launches, bombing and cannon firing at ground targets. Confirmed in flight parameters and performance avionics and new airborne systems.
      5. Pushkowed
        Pushkowed 28 February 2019 20: 25
        +4
        This is a modification of the MiG-21-93 "Bizon". Adapted for R-73 and even R-77.
    2. Volga073
      Volga073 28 February 2019 19: 09
      +16
      Tape. Ru is not authoritative, brehalovka.
    3. viralig
      viralig 28 February 2019 20: 00
      +5
      What is the difference who used what and in what quantities. Most importantly, this disgrace should stop as quickly as possible. For its part, Pakistan took the first step by promising to release the pilot.
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 28 February 2019 22: 29
        +1
        Quote: viralig
        What is the difference who used what and in what quantities. Most importantly, this disgrace should stop as quickly as possible. For its part, Pakistan took the first step by promising to release the pilot.

        If the helpers striped do not fit then everything will calm down.
  2. Stils
    Stils 28 February 2019 17: 56
    +34
    So where are the details of the air battle?
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    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 28 February 2019 19: 30
      -6
      Quote: Stils
      Details of the air combat on the Indo-Pakistan border - from JF-17 to Su-30

      Here .... smile
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 1 March 2019 06: 21
        +1
        Toons again.
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  4. Kurare
    Kurare 28 February 2019 17: 58
    +20
    From this whole story, frankly, I want only one thing: so that it ends as soon as possible.

    Here is the quintessence of everything written! Well, if it really ends there.
    1. Rostov Papa
      Rostov Papa 28 February 2019 18: 59
      +5
      Well, if it really ends there.

      And there will be a Bollywood movie with songs, dances and a wedding in the finale. Without sarcasm ...
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 28 February 2019 19: 01
        +5
        Quote: Rostov Dad
        And there will be a Bollywood movie with songs, dances and a wedding in the finale.

        Let them make at least ten of these films! There are special effects, but here everything is for real.
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 February 2019 20: 52
          +4
          Now let them scratch their turnips, otherwise Bollywood Hollywood, life is much more severe.
    2. den3080
      den3080 28 February 2019 20: 17
      0
      I read ...
      Matches for children are not toys (c)
      and here are adult uncles
      small arms - the maximum that such countries should be armed with, country 404 inclusive.
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 28 February 2019 21: 44
        +3
        Quote: den3080
        small arms - the maximum that such countries should be armed with

        Comparing 404 with Pakistan and India is offending Hindus and Pakistanis :) But seriously, Pakistan and India have been fighting each other for almost a century, when, in the manner of the Cold War, and also: hybrid ("ihtamnet" and there were), counterterrorism., local (or rather mountain), and sometimes full-fledged with local versions of Prokhorovka and Pearl Harbor. They calmed down a bit only after the creation of nuclear weapons, and even then they are ready, if they wish, to "bite off" the excess from a neighbor.
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        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 28 February 2019 23: 03
          +1
          sho, sho ... And, in sho you -Svido hero from the country "Bandera Heroy!"
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            1. mejik
              mejik 1 March 2019 10: 52
              +2
              at least cut down, though not cut down, you still get ... tutyun. laughing
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            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 1 March 2019 15: 28
              +3
              All of you, zozumiv. And, yak sho ne zrozumiv, well, so shosh .. And about your lack of knowledge of the RUSSIAN language .. I have huge doubts. Hello Svido Bandera from the country "Bandera HEROY", from Sevastopol! Remember Sevastopol!
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              2. Akinaki
                Akinaki 1 March 2019 21: 38
                -1
                I know Russian, but I don’t know Russian
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 1 March 2019 22: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Akinaki
                  I know Russian, but I don’t know Russian

                  Already warmer ..
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                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 1 March 2019 22: 43
                  +2
                  I don’t want to explain, you’ll pretend to be misunderstood ..
  5. irazum
    irazum 28 February 2019 17: 58
    +1
    By the way, the MiG-21 and JF-17 are equal rivals, in almost all respects.
    1. Ripap
      Ripap 28 February 2019 18: 19
      +20
      Well, JF-17 is the Mig-21 slightly filed.
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      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 28 February 2019 19: 26
        +1
        Quote: RipRap
        JF-17

        It was created on the basis of the MIG-21, but there are completely different planes ... the Chinese is a fighter-bomber, and the MIG-21 is a front-line light fighter.
        Chengdu FC-1 Xiaolong (English Chengdu FC-1 Xiaolong) - a fighter-bomber joint Chinese-Pakistani development. In the Pakistan Air Force, the aircraft is designated JF-17 Thunder.

        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 28 February 2019 21: 39
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          It is created on the basis of MIG-21

          But is this not the quintessence of the Chinese version of the MiG-21 and the unrealized Migov project of a light export fighter developed by a doublet for the MiG-29?
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 28 February 2019 17: 59
    +17
    Faster would sit at the negotiating table ... The conflict is not needed by both countries .. They just push their foreheads ...
  7. kventinasd
    kventinasd 28 February 2019 18: 04
    +7
    That's nice! A bad world is better than a good war.
    And so the Pakistani army against the Indian can’t be squandered ... There are only elephants who will trample ....
    We are waiting for the reaction of the exorcists who will see the Kremlin’s hand in this mess.
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 28 February 2019 18: 27
      +9
      the British there just both sides provoke war with each other ... In any case, everything that happens there happens with the participation of British and American intelligence services. Most likely they are scoring both countries for conflict.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 28 February 2019 18: 36
      +3
      Quote: kventinasd
      We are waiting for the reaction of the exorcists who will see the Kremlin’s hand in this mess too

      Solovyov’s Kovtun generally stated that it was Russia who shot down the packs ... this is weed!
      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 28 February 2019 18: 38
        +11
        Quote: Dead Day
        Solovyov’s Kovtun generally stated

        To listen to this phantom, do not respect yourself. Even the most ardent pans denied him.
        1. irazum
          irazum 28 February 2019 18: 48
          +13
          Whether we respect the "bald" one or not, he absolutely doesn't care! He lives so luxuriously at our expense that he has probably already forgotten how his native "skakuasiya" looks. He's got CHOCOLATE!
          1. den3080
            den3080 28 February 2019 21: 23
            +4
            Yes. You look at Kovtun from time to time - all covered in chocolate, but you sniff ... no wink
          2. kjhg
            kjhg 28 February 2019 22: 50
            -2
            Quote: irazum
            Whether we respect "bald" or not, he absolutely doesn't care

            However, to himself, he seriously says that he is a star.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 28 February 2019 18: 50
          +8
          He is on pay at Russian channels as a punching bag at a talk show. And for this, he doesn’t even need to dissemble - just be yourself laughing
      2. Borisovich
        Borisovich 28 February 2019 18: 51
        +3
        Quote: Dead Day
        this is grass!

        This is no longer grass, much harder. Probably something like LSD
        1. artifact
          artifact 28 February 2019 20: 26
          +3
          But how about Pakistan - the Russian border!?
          he does not consume, he is sick!
          1. Borisovich
            Borisovich 28 February 2019 20: 56
            +12
            Quote: artifact

            But how about Pakistan - the Russian border!?

            So on the globe of Ukraine it is. laughing request
      3. loki565
        loki565 28 February 2019 22: 24
        +1
        He receives money for this, by the way already bought an apartment in Moscow. Someone works in the circus as a clown, and someone on television.
      4. Awaz
        Awaz 1 March 2019 05: 48
        +1
        Kovtun is an actor who plays for fun like you. However, he plays with the same conviction as Soloviev. Solovyov this one is just one of those who constantly pour gasoline into the fire of conflict between Ukraine and the Russian Federation and he succeeds in it .. And you are happy to eat it ...
        1. provergatel
          provergatel 1 March 2019 16: 46
          +2
          What are you doing ?!

          And the poor, impoverished, ill-educated Ukrainians only sit and around the clock they’ll die with all their unfinished intentions to make friends with Russia again.

          But ... then the evil Solovyov comes, and they involuntarily have bans of the Russian language, church schisms, torchlight processions, Shukhevych, Bandera and Dudayev avenues, shelling of peaceful cities in Donbass from artillery, and horse races "Moskalyak on Gilyaka" and "Maskals on knives ".

          Oh, wei! What a gewalt!
          1. Awaz
            Awaz 1 March 2019 17: 32
            -3
            Residents of Ukraine and Russia, as well as any other country, want to live in peace and prosperity and in peace. The vast majority of people in Ukraine do not care for Shukhevych and Bandera. To the word marches of the Nazis in Russia are in Germany and in England and even in the United States. None of this hysteria does not suit. Even Soloviev does not notice them ...
            Your main problem is that you do not understand what SOLOVIEV and others like him do and why. They hide behind beautiful patriotic slogans, but their main task is to sow discord and war, to poison people, etc., and so on.
            1. provergatel
              provergatel 4 March 2019 14: 16
              0
              Oh, what white and fluffy Ukrainians.

              1. In Russia, Natsik is a marginal handful, timidly pushing up from under the shkonka, unlike Ukraine, where they sit in parliament and can kick policemen with kicks!

              2. In Russia, streets and squares are not called the names of Nazi criminals and terrorists! They’re not proud of the grandfathers who were cutting the peaceful people, who hung up the tail of the Nazis and shot our soldiers from the bushes in the back!

              3. Residents of Ukraine, the overwhelming majority of whom “do not care deeply about the Shukhevychs and Bandera’s” choose this kind of power over and over again, go to the army and figure out peaceful people from art, walk in torchlight processions, pay a tax that helps to figure out people from art.

              Well, when those Banderaites "who they don't care about" come to cut them, the same khataskrayniks just turn their backs and silently pray to themselves that tomorrow they will come not to them, but to their neighbor Taras or Mykola. Silent, wordless herd, which does not care for anything, if only it was warm, and no one touched the "kolo khata" with humming hrushchas.

              And so, yes! Poor, miserable and innocent! Understand, forgive, come to restore, repair, give pennies and dump in the fog, so as not to interfere with pananie ...

              No, really!

              Figs with butter! Let them continue to roll into the UG, into which they rode with such enthusiasm, the last not even 30 years, but much longer. They do not need to be propagandized and set on the "maskals", they were always ready to cling to their throats, it is just now possible officially at the level of their lack of statehood. After all, the hiss in the back of the "maskals" began long before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

              But, since they do not know how to enter the State, in 30 years the entire industry built by the "sworn Maskal akupants" was loved and plundered, and from the fifth economy of Europe it has slipped to the level of poor African countries!

              Well, the way there! Share!
  8. Graz
    Graz 28 February 2019 18: 12
    -5
    the Indians had to mirror Pakistan with the same actions, and not fly to bomb terrorist camps,
    then the Pakistani authorities themselves would come to that terrorist camp for answers
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 28 February 2019 19: 15
      +4
      it was necessary to mirror pakistan with the same actions, and not to fly to bomb terrorist camps

      Well, it’s some kind of state terrorism.
  9. Nestorych
    Nestorych 28 February 2019 18: 16
    -1
    Actually, Pakistan has no chance against India without nuclear weapons (there is also a question with him), he correctly recognized, all the more 3 to 1, and the bandits didn’t count.
    1. Patriot5000
      Patriot5000 28 February 2019 19: 19
      +3
      well no. Pakistan has now developed militarily well. India will win, but bloody. it is not 10 years ago.
      1. Nestorych
        Nestorych 1 March 2019 09: 43
        0
        I agree bloody, but will win. Resource they are not comparable.)
    2. loki565
      loki565 28 February 2019 22: 33
      +2
      You must be able to competently compete, in India there is a lot of equipment but 8 against 24 were sent to battle, the result is obvious))) And indeed the squadron commander on the most obsolete aircraft, he was too lazy to retrain on new equipment and everyone turned a blind eye to this.
  10. New Year day
    New Year day 28 February 2019 18: 17
    -2
    Quote: kventinasd
    so the Pakistani army against the Indian does not hold out ...

    And then they will be tempted to hit something well, very hard. But everyone does not need it.
  11. bogart047
    bogart047 28 February 2019 18: 17
    +2
    but as for me it’s so good - far from the borders, there are Russian / Soviet-made vehicles and potential opponents. It remains only to sell them and see what will happen, draw conclusions and modernize the equipment.
    1. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 28 February 2019 18: 23
      +6
      Quote: bogart047
      but as for me it’s so good - far from the borders, there are Russian / Soviet-made vehicles and potential opponents. It remains only to sell them and see what will happen, draw conclusions and modernize the equipment.

      All right. We have no one to worry about.
      Only for your interests.
      1. Patriot5000
        Patriot5000 28 February 2019 19: 21
        +1
        Well, the Syrians and Egyptians on Soviet technology fought against Israel .... and what's the point? Threw cars ..
        1. 2329 Carpenter
          2329 Carpenter 28 February 2019 22: 22
          0
          Well and so they need it - this and that!
          good
        2. ecolog
          ecolog 1 March 2019 01: 03
          0
          there are still more equivalent opponents.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 28 February 2019 20: 26
        +1
        Yes, now the Indians are not up to dancing with tambourines, it is urgent to "tighten" the Air Force and Air Defense, to some acceptable values.
        1. loki565
          loki565 28 February 2019 22: 36
          +3
          They are on the slack))) The squadron commander on the most obsolete aircraft, he was too lazy to retrain on new equipment on the campaign, nor is this king’s business
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 1 March 2019 09: 38
            +1
            In general, the situation is obscure. How packs were able to provide such a local superiority, despite the fact that they are much inferior in the number of boards? Why did not use the A - 50? Why weren’t the best squadrons pulled into the conflict area, with new equipment and experienced pilots?
      3. ilimnoz
        ilimnoz 1 March 2019 05: 41
        0
        or maybe it’s a blow to the SCO
  12. Livonetc
    Livonetc 28 February 2019 18: 18
    +5
    Quote: parusnik
    Faster would sit at the negotiating table ... The conflict is not needed by both countries .. They just push their foreheads ...

    The moment indicating a positive trend towards a settlement is given in the article.
    Pakistan plans to release Indian pilot on March 1.
    A very robust initiative.
  13. Demagogue
    Demagogue 28 February 2019 18: 20
    +9
    Hindus say that the f-16 was shot down precisely instant-21. There were no sou there, this is a lie of the packs. They also claimed that they had three Indian pilots, and now there was one. And from the Indians there were only MiGs from the nearest base, what kind of nonsense about mixed squadrons?
    Packs also lied that the F-16 was not there, but fragments of the Amraams had already been found, which they no longer have anything to let. F-16 shot down from Mig-21 and this is a shame.
    This material is based on ndtv publications that fantasize in the absence of information. Right there, the battle for England has already begun, tomorrow it turns out that there are 200 fighters converged. But not an ordinary interception.
    1. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 28 February 2019 18: 29
      +11
      What is shameful? And with the Yak-3 jet Messers shot down.
      And a rocket is a rocket for everyone. It doesn't matter where it flies from.
      1. novel66
        novel66 28 February 2019 22: 26
        +3
        reactive Messers shot down Kozhedub, La-5fn, however
        1. 2329 Carpenter
          2329 Carpenter 28 February 2019 22: 40
          +2
          Well, as they write here on the site, "for a minute ...", Kozhedub fought in the 45th on the La-7. And Messer, and two Mustangs he flunked on it.
          And by the way, there was such a major Okolelov Jacob. So he flew on the Yak-3. On it the 262nd and took off. About the same as Ivan Nikitich. When he lost speed on a bend.
          1. novel66
            novel66 1 March 2019 07: 25
            +1
            as far as I remember Kozhedub memoirs - he shot a German on a dive
            1. Yok Migarek
              Yok Migarek 1 March 2019 16: 30
              +3
              I went to school in 88 in a pair of MiG-21s that destroyed 4 F-15s. In the fourth year in the course work. I must say right away that they did not give the medal.
              1. novel66
                novel66 1 March 2019 16: 35
                0
                But this is insulting !!! such an outstanding tactic? no hero ...
                1. Yok Migarek
                  Yok Migarek 1 March 2019 16: 40
                  +2
                  It was interesting. And all the work, you know, was built on assumptions. In short, I first shot them all down and then declared war. laughing
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 1 March 2019 18: 27
                    0
                    great idea! very fresh - sudden decapitation! lol take into service
    2. Borisovich
      Borisovich 28 February 2019 18: 55
      +3
      Quote: Demagogue
      There were no sou there

      Link will not throw off where infa.
    3. loki565
      loki565 28 February 2019 22: 39
      +1
      with a margin of 24 versus 8, they could land them all there.
  14. Captain45
    Captain45 28 February 2019 18: 21
    +11
    And he destroys my defense,
    Old, Indian at the moment.
    It vaguely reminds me
    Indo-Pakistani incident, sung by V.S. Vysotsky in 1972 year. lol
    In general, you need to wait for a comment from E. Damantsev and it will immediately become clear - who is to blame and what to do. laughing
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 28 February 2019 18: 24
    0
    In this case, the Pakistani information is more reliable: they have the wreckage of two aircraft.
    Hindus cannot prove that they shot down Pakistani F-16
    1. uhu189
      uhu189 28 February 2019 18: 47
      +6
      As far as I understand, the potentially shot down F-16 crashed in Pakistan, so there is no reason for the Pakistanis to show his photos if he was really lost. And it’s also not clear from the fallen Indian Air Force MI-17 - was it, or is it also a fake ... In general, everything that is happening is very strange
      1. Pushkowed
        Pushkowed 28 February 2019 21: 04
        +1
        The Indian Mi-17B-5 really crashed on the morning of February 27. The crew died. Photos from the scene there. This happened on Indian territory, and is relatively far from the line of contact. India claims that this happened for a non-military reason.
        The photographs confirm the losses of India: Mi-17 and MiG-21 (the latter is clearly for military reasons; the photo shows fragmentation holes in the tail section) https://twitter.com/omar_quraishi/status/1100707307938304003/photo/1
        In addition, there are suspicions (source - "couch" analysts from India) that some of the wreckage given by the Pakistanis as MiG-21 may in fact belong to the F-16.
        https://twitter.com/sameershelavale/status/1101060894627450881
        This is an indirect confirmation that the F-16 could indeed be shot down.
      2. loki565
        loki565 28 February 2019 22: 40
        -1
        And the local population does not take pictures and does not upload to the Internet ??? it would come to love
    2. faiver
      faiver 28 February 2019 19: 18
      +2
      Is there a photo of the wreckage of the second Indian plane?
      1. 16329
        16329 28 February 2019 20: 35
        +4
        Yes, write Pakistani F16 wreckage and see, they tried to pass it off as the second downed Indian plane
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 28 February 2019 20: 51
          -1
          Thanks, I found. Really downed plane - Pakistani F-16
    3. 16329
      16329 28 February 2019 20: 32
      +4
      Sorry, but the entire Internet is already clogged with photos of the downed F16, the Indian news agency wrote that the Pakistanis, trying to confirm the destruction of the second Indian aircraft, themselves showed the wreckage of a GE engine with characteristic thermal insulation, now this is exposed and is evidence that F16 was shot down
      By the way, there weren’t any SU30s there, but yesterday you were so happy about the potential destruction of this car, let’s leave it other
      1. Sasha_rulevoy
        Sasha_rulevoy 28 February 2019 21: 05
        -3
        Quote: 16329
        By the way, no SU30 was close there,


        Problems with combat readiness?
  16. new max
    new max 28 February 2019 18: 25
    +1
    Find out what the JF-17 is. It is written in detail about it.
  17. DimanC
    DimanC 28 February 2019 18: 30
    0
    It seems that the MiG-21 seemed to cover the rest of the aircraft. I just want to write that there was a clear provocation
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 28 February 2019 18: 55
      +5
      Quote: DimanC
      It seems that the MiG-21 seemed to cover the rest of the aircraft. I just want to write that there was a clear provocation

      8 against 24, unless of course they lie.
      It seems that the Pakistani Air Force (several pairs) invaded the territory of India, while they were well covered in case Indian fighters chased them into Pakistan.
      If the conclusions are correct, there was a hunt for live bait. But if the Indians failed one F-16, then there was a combat draw in quantity, but not in quality.
    2. loki565
      loki565 28 February 2019 22: 42
      +3
      yeah, he covered, the squadron commander on the most obsolete aircraft, right Chapaev ahead on a dashing horse)))
  18. orionvitt
    orionvitt 28 February 2019 18: 32
    +5
    Experts note, to put it mildly, the confusing logistics in the Indian Air Force.
    Hindus will finish badly, with their practice "with the world on a string."
  19. Demagogue
    Demagogue 28 February 2019 18: 35
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    In this case, the Pakistani information is more reliable: they have the wreckage of two aircraft.
    Hindus cannot prove that they shot down Pakistani F-16


    Already posted photos of the downed f-16 in Pakistani territory. And the Indians have much more faith than the Pak. Nobody caught them on a lie, and these through a word. And the wreckage of which two aircraft? One, one more lie.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 February 2019 18: 59
      0
      "Photos of the shot down F-16 on Pakistani territory have already been posted." ///
      ----
      If you have such a photo or a link to it, everyone would be interested to see.
    2. SS-18 Satan
      SS-18 Satan 28 February 2019 19: 05
      +5
      Are you talking about this photo document ??
      1. Demagogue
        Demagogue 28 February 2019 19: 07
        0
        It is about him.
      2. SS-18 Satan
        SS-18 Satan 28 February 2019 19: 09
        +3
        Considering the date indicated on the digital image, it was made 27 February 2019 of the year, while, according to media representatives, the chip itself is part of the F-16 fighter jet engine. However, as far as this information is true, it is still unknown, because the crash site of the downed aircraft has not yet been discovered, and according to the latest data, the downed aircraft fell on the territory of neighboring Pakistan, as evidenced by photographs of the Pakistani military against the backdrop of a wreck of an aircraft .
        Read more at: http://avia.pro/news/indiya-pokazala-oblomki-sbitogo-f-16
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 28 February 2019 19: 46
          +1

          Quote: SS-18 Satan
          at the same time, according to media representatives, the chip itself is part of the F-16 fighter jet engine. Nevertheless, how far this information is true remains unknown so far, since the crash site of a downed aircraft has not yet been discovered,


          Why load these debris in a truck?
  20. Demagogue
    Demagogue 28 February 2019 18: 38
    0
    Quote: Carpenter 2329
    What is shameful? And with the Yak-3 jet Messers shot down.
    And a rocket is a rocket for everyone. It doesn't matter where it flies from.


    It is shameful because the ferrets fled back across the border and having a numerical superiority and a high-quality exchanged f-16 for an old migrant, which will be written off soon.
    1. loki565
      loki565 28 February 2019 22: 46
      +1
      And where are they at C300 India that they do not cover the border ??? Since they themselves began the bombing of another state, they could prepare for an otvetka
      1. Demagogue
        Demagogue 28 February 2019 23: 03
        +4
        There is a very long border with mountainous terrain in places, around which you can deliver sudden attacks. Indians do not have a S-300, they just bought a S-400. They would rather go against the Chinese. Packs and so stop.
        Hindus generally flew deep into Pakistan for 200 km and were bombed there. A group of packs in striped swimsuits braked right at the border. Another thing is that the Indians had no serious cars nearby. Of course, if the exchange of blows by all means begins, then India will win, and here the local clash of the best that the packs have against second-rate Indians.
        1. loki565
          loki565 28 February 2019 23: 15
          +2
          The Hindus had a surprise factor, the second time they will not fly like that. Yes, and if their squadron commander fought on the most defensive aircraft, yes, in a ratio of 8 to 24, the losses would clearly not be in favor of India.
  21. Peter Ivanov
    Peter Ivanov 28 February 2019 18: 40
    +22
    Dear author !!!!
    The battle is called the fighting of the Army, Army Group, Front, Front !!! Example: Battle of Stalingrad! What you describe is called a tactical type of military operations, namely - FIGHT! AIR BATTLE!
    If you want to write on serious military topics - do not be like modern magazine whores and thoroughly learn materiel, manuals, manuals and terminology!
    I have the honor!
  22. Olezhek
    Olezhek 28 February 2019 18: 47
    -4
    From this whole story, frankly, I want only one thing: so that it ends as soon as possible.


    Well, why so hurry?
    It is interesting!
    Ischo a couple of air battles ...
  23. Olezhek
    Olezhek 28 February 2019 18: 50
    +1
    To be honest, India was disappointed - to spend such money on defense - there is about 50 lard baksiv military budget ...
    И so fight...
    1. SS-18 Satan
      SS-18 Satan 28 February 2019 19: 07
      +1
      it’s not their craft to fight .. here’s to dance and sing .. and bargain with us for a discount.
      - it's theirs.
      1. Alexander Borisov
        Alexander Borisov 28 February 2019 21: 30
        +1
        Indian pilots on the Su-30 won the training air battles of the Americans on the F-16 and F-15
    2. another RUSICH
      another RUSICH 28 February 2019 19: 41
      +6
      And when were the Indians good warriors?
      The same Saudis are packed completely, and what do they demonstrate in Yemen?
      Weapons have nothing to do with it. People are fighting
      1. alavrin
        alavrin 28 February 2019 20: 46
        0
        When were the Indians good warriors? Read about the three Indo-Pakistani wars.
        1. another RUSICH
          another RUSICH 28 February 2019 21: 31
          +2
          AND? What was heroic there?
          I have not heard.
          But about the Pakistani special forces, having constant combat experience heard
          1. Leopold
            Leopold 1 March 2019 02: 14
            +2
            AND? What was heroic there?
            I have not heard.

            Here is a curious material on the topic of the Indo-Pakistan conflict.
            https://topwar.ru/94149-neravnyy-boy-indiyskih-tankistov-u-reki-basantar.html
            1. another RUSICH
              another RUSICH 1 March 2019 08: 13
              +1
              Indo-Pakistani wars — you can't even call wars
              Pakistan lost 60 tanks, of which 40 were hit, and surrendered. That would be a number if the Germans surrendered on this occasion, or the Finns
              All this is more like a fight of slaves for the remnants of dinner on the owner’s table after he left
              1. Leopold
                Leopold 1 March 2019 08: 21
                +2
                Sorry, but in my comments there is no word "war", there is the word "conflict". And in the article itself, only one battle is described. Claims are not for me.
                P.S. What does "capitulate" mean? Hindus took Islamabad, and Pakistanis signed the act of surrender? I, like, have not heard of such an event.
                1. another RUSICH
                  another RUSICH 1 March 2019 10: 13
                  0
                  Did you yourself read what happened by reference? Read. There are questions, there are answers
  24. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 28 February 2019 18: 51
    +1
    I hope common sense will prevail, the parties will find the strength within themselves to sit at the negotiating table.
  25. K-50
    K-50 28 February 2019 18: 53
    +2
    why was the MiG-30 pilot the commander of the Indian link, including the Su-2000 and Mirage-21, among others?

    Maybe corruption is to blame and "golden youth"?
    There was information that the son of one of the functionaries who made the decision to close the program of cooperation with Russia on the T-50 (Su-57, FGFA) was shot down.
    It is clear to Koza that he could not be a simple "agent". Maybe he pushed his son in every possible way, but pushing through in peacetime is one thing, and quite another during hostilities. what IMHO.
    1. Charik
      Charik 28 February 2019 20: 15
      +1
      ha ha so-so I’ll try son of a trampoline in a silt cram
  26. Demagogue
    Demagogue 28 February 2019 19: 02
    +4
    Quote: Borisovich
    Quote: Demagogue
    There were no sou there

    Link will not throw off where infa.

    https://m.timesofindia.com/india/iaf-shows-parts-of-amraam-missile-says-evidence-proves-mig-21-shot-down-pakistans-f-16/amp_articleshow/68205140.cms
    Here is the material based on the Indian Air Force press release, it is clearly stated that it knocked down a moment. And so there are no options, there is a base nearby where only MiGs are. No sou just would not have time.
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  27. Demagogue
    Demagogue 28 February 2019 19: 17
    +2
    Quote: SS-18 Satan
    Considering the date indicated on the digital image, it was made 27 February 2019 of the year, while, according to media representatives, the chip itself is part of the F-16 fighter jet engine. However, as far as this information is true, it is still unknown, because the crash site of the downed aircraft has not yet been discovered, and according to the latest data, the downed aircraft fell on the territory of neighboring Pakistan, as evidenced by photographs of the Pakistani military against the backdrop of a wreck of an aircraft .
    Read more at: http://avia.pro/news/indiya-pokazala-oblomki-sbitogo-f-16

    As I understand it, this is a frame from a video in which packs load the wreckage of an airplane into a truck. And this fragment was identified as part of the f-16.

    https://twitter.com/MdShafiKhatana/status/1101001860864004096?s=20
  28. faiver
    faiver 28 February 2019 19: 17
    +6
    Well, in general, the details of the battle, I did not find in the article .. hi
    1. SS-18 Satan
      SS-18 Satan 28 February 2019 19: 35
      +3
      how can you find a black cat in a dark room .. if she is not there ??
      1. Horse, people and soul
        Horse, people and soul 1 March 2019 00: 18
        0
        The dog will take a trace!

        wassat
  29. lucul
    lucul 28 February 2019 19: 22
    +8
    According to Asian media reports, in total, more than three dozen aircraft converged at the border:

    Serious qty.
    Here our Israeli "partners" love to bend their fingers -
    "maneuverability is not necessary for a modern fighter."
    Let me explain with this example - 30 fighter planes converged against 30 enemy planes in the sky. Accordingly, each fighter is armed with 4 air-to-air missiles. Spotted a bunch of enemy aircraft on radar, found targets, fired ALL (4) rockets for reliability. All planes did the same - both our own and the enemy. A bunch of missiles (120 pieces) are flying towards each other. The missiles flew to the planes and began to explode and knock out the planes. Someone will be hit by 2-3 missiles instead of one, someone will be "covered" by a comrade, someone will make an anti-missile maneuver. In any case, someone will survive, and what can he do without missiles? Yes, with a cannon, thanks to maneuverability, finish off unarmed enemy fighters.
    Accordingly, if the fighter does not have maneuverability, then by logic, it is necessary to return to the base for refueling and replenishing missiles. But at that moment, bombers and attack aircraft can go the second wave, and he is then at the base. And alright, the second flight would be fast - but with the F-35, the second flight only after 72 hours !!!!!!!. Imagine - after 72 hours !!! Yes, during this time the war may end. At this moment, the bombers razed everything to the ground.
    That is why Westerners were shocked when they saw HOW our airplanes work. For example, for a second flight, SU-34 requires only 30 !!! minutes. During this time, our plane and have time to refuel and arm)).
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  31. 3vs
    3vs 28 February 2019 19: 31
    +1
    Mohenjo-Daro, vimana, somehow the past begins to resemble a possible near future ...
  32. Nikolay Ivanov_4
    Nikolay Ivanov_4 28 February 2019 19: 33
    -2
    Yes, with such "skills" it is dangerous for them to sell the Su-57 - they will once again be blunt and lose, only by disgracing the equipment
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 28 February 2019 20: 50
      +4
      Why are they dishonored? One hassle in the air can not be said at all, they lost an old moment of 21, they also shot down the same plane. What’s a shame, and for whom?
  33. Charik
    Charik 28 February 2019 20: 12
    0
    it’s just that this barbel thought that he was a hero from Dance-Dance.
  34. nobody111body
    nobody111body 28 February 2019 20: 31
    -1
    Jews and Britons will most likely soon push their bandyugans on the island, the so-called "tigers of the liberation of Tamil Eelam," then the Indians will have to fight on two fronts; there was a time when we together with the Indians did not crush these Pakistani animals and transfer the pro-Jewish ISIS members from Syria to Afghanistan, which means some of them to Pakistan
  35. acetophenone
    acetophenone 28 February 2019 20: 56
    -2
    But I have the exact opposite opinion. If Indians and Pakistanis use nuclear weapons, they will be blotted out by the whole world and this will be a good vaccine against a major nuclear war. IMHO, it will be bloody, but to the benefit.
    1. artifact
      artifact 28 February 2019 21: 23
      +4
      but in my opinion, a small nuclear war does not interfere with the world’s chief. rather, the Indo-Pakistani conflict is like a laboratory with experimental rats. Amers are interested in looking at the consequences (overseas, voices began to be heard more often that the use of such weapons is not so scary). In addition, there is a temptation to test your mini charges. The region is mountainous, remote and does not mind the neighbors.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 28 February 2019 22: 06
        +1
        Quote: artifact
        but in my opinion, a small nuclear war does not interfere world glavnyuk. rather, the Indo-Pakistani conflict is like a laboratory with experimental rats. Amers are interested in looking at the consequences (overseas, voices began to be heard more often that the use of such weapons is not so scary). In addition, there is a temptation to test your mini charges. the region is mountainous, remote and neighbors are not sorry

        So, a similar thought occurred to me ... By the way, how many people are there in both countries? wink
        1. artifact
          artifact 28 February 2019 22: 08
          0
          about one and a half lard, plus or minus. By the way, another overpopulation problem is partially solved
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 28 February 2019 22: 09
            +1
            Quote: artifact
            about one and a half lard, plus or minus. By the way, another overpopulation problem is partially solved

            Exactly... hi
  36. Demagogue
    Demagogue 28 February 2019 21: 11
    +3
    Quote: Lieutenant Colonel USSR Air Force in stock
    Too controversial information. And somehow it's all weird

    Turning pale, Kade said:
    "My dear Babette,
    This is strange, this is strange
    It's strange to be in trouble. "
    Says Kade Babette:
    "What's so strange, I don't know",
    Here, perhaps, a comma,
    Here we have the end of the verse.


    Why contradictory, the main thing is already clear. Packs sent their best men on the best f-16 aircraft, block 52 to get even with the Indians where those forces are thinner. And in the end, the on-duty couple of MIG-21 from the nearest airfield piled one of them. Further shooting by the Amraams and one black moment. All. The pishchik turned out, but for the electorate this was presented as a great victory.
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  37. Demagogue
    Demagogue 28 February 2019 21: 12
    0
    Quote: Charik
    it’s just that this barbel thought that he was a hero from Dance-Dance.


    Barbel man. Explicitly ready to wave at any moment to Valhalla)
  38. Alexander Borisov
    Alexander Borisov 28 February 2019 21: 21
    0
    And what about the downed f-16 pilot
  39. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 28 February 2019 21: 29
    +1
    Colleagues! Indians, not Indians!
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 28 February 2019 22: 25
      +4
      hi But what about Vysotsky’s:
      "good religion was invented by the Indus,
      that we, having given up the ends, do not die for good ... " wink
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 1 March 2019 00: 48
        0
        Vysotsky speaks specifically of Hindus, adherents of Hinduism. But in India, apart from the Indians, there are also Muslims (in the region of 200 million!), Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Christians, plus adherents of the mass of small sects.
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    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 February 2019 22: 39
      +3
      Quote: Sergej1972
      Colleagues! Indians, not Indians!

      Here some of them were even called Indians.
    4. nebche
      nebche 1 March 2019 00: 51
      0
      Try to check in English?
      Hindus - Hindus
      Indians - Indians
      Indians - Indians
      A matter of faith ...
  40. Syroitel_nik
    Syroitel_nik 28 February 2019 21: 56
    +2
    All this is strange, very strange. In Latin America, the country is a member of the BRICS, Brazil is trying to oppose our protégé of Venezuela, who is an observer in the BRICS. On another mainland, the BRICS country of India is clashing with the observer country of Pakistan. Counterbalance system in action?
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  41. Lieutenant Senior
    Lieutenant Senior 28 February 2019 22: 30
    +3
    For a long time, the natives will master even the old Soviet achievements.)))

    And about the conflicts, this is their national tradition, they will fight like roosters and calm down, disperse.
  42. ded_mazai
    ded_mazai 28 February 2019 22: 47
    -1
    The Indians also shot down a Pakistani drone, and the Israeli complex Spike. And the Indian Mirage 2000 also used Israeli guided bombs and missiles. Intelligence was carried out by the Israeli Heron UAV, and on the A-50 AWACS aircraft there is an Israeli radar.
    1. Syroitel_nik
      Syroitel_nik 28 February 2019 23: 13
      0
      https://rg.ru/2019/02/28/umnye-bomby-iz-izrailia-zabludilis-v-pakistane.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
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  43. Syroitel_nik
    Syroitel_nik 28 February 2019 23: 12
    +5
    And yet info appeared about the bombing of the terrorists' location. Israeli bombs proved to be ineffective during the strike of the Indian Air Force on the alleged militant camp on Pakistani territory.
    There is more and more information on the Web that the smart SPICE ammunition used by the Mirage 2000 aircraft deviated from the target and exploded 200 meters from the nearest buildings. According to some sources, they even fell a kilometer from the object.

    https://rg.ru/2019/02/28/umnye-bomby-iz-izrailia-zabludilis-v-pakistane.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
  44. Demagogue
    Demagogue 28 February 2019 23: 24
    +1
    Quote: loki565
    The Hindus had a surprise factor, the second time they will not fly like that. Yes, and if their squadron commander fought on the most defensive aircraft, yes, in a ratio of 8 to 24, the losses would clearly not be in favor of India.

    Yes, there will be no continuation of the banquet. The packs got their victory, and the Indians got theirs. About f-16 shot down by an old twinkle already trumpet the whole world. And it doesn’t matter if they shot down or not)) the main advertisement is for Russian planes.
  45. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 1 March 2019 00: 13
    +1
    In India, a huge number of non-combat losses in aviation.

    Probably the favorite pastime of Indian pilots is to eject.
  46. Alexander Petrov1
    Alexander Petrov1 1 March 2019 01: 56
    0
    I do not believe that the light and cheap single-engine aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force (of Chinese development and assembly) could make the expensive (twice as expensive) and heavy SU-30 (with powerful radar and super maneuverability) the Indian Air Force.
  47. nebche
    nebche 1 March 2019 02: 18
    0
    The border. Divorce of the guards.
    https://twitter.com/Kim_Chen_Un/status/1100726050051493889
  48. kig
    kig 1 March 2019 02: 18
    +1
    yeah ... during the battle between the Su-30 and F-16 was shot down MiG-21 ...
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  50. KARAKURT15
    KARAKURT15 1 March 2019 08: 17
    0
    Quote: Kurare
    hi But what about Vysotsky’s:
    "good religion was invented by the Indus,
    that we, having given up the ends, do not die for good ... " wink

    "my soul aspired to the heights" ... and this is about the barbel at the moment))